The Unknown Zone - proudly an American forum!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 08:48:10 AM
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a
good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".

Well, I forwarded it to you so where does that put me

Quote from: Moonglow on May 03, 2010, 08:50:29 AM
And we can blame republicans for; economic collapses, devaluation of labor and the dollar, inflation on consumer goods.

Quote from: Moonglow on May 03, 2010, 08:53:43 AM
a conservative is homosexual

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 10:19:11 AM
One more reason....why dems SUCK!!...
Nancy Pelosi said...."Democrats have a plan to lower gas prices...join Democrats who are working to lower gas prices now." April 19, 2006

FACT:...The averages gas price THEN was #2.66 per gallon of Regular Unleaded....the average price TODAY is: $.2.88!!

Nice Job sucking Democrats.... ;)

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 10:39:00 AM
Nice job trying to send up a smokescreen. CONGRESS does not have control over natural disasters nor man made disasters, like for instance Katrina and the BP oil rig explosion. BOTH among the myriad of validations the OIL industry utilizes in justification for rising fuel costs. Moreover, investment firms like Morgan Stanley now are heavily invested in oil; owning enough of the reserves to withhold supplies to artificially drive up prices to increase profits.

Blame the oil industries and investment firms for this shit.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 10:48:06 AM
BULLSHIT!!!

Pelosi made a PROMISE!!!...she, like other democtats said shit to get control.......they GOT control and they fucking LIED!!

They are corrupted pieces of shit....they have control, and they are NOT doing shit but making this country go further and further in debt....

maybe Pelosi she keep her mouth SHUT or TRY to stay with a promise...

LIKE, "We will make this the most honest, ethical and open Congress in history."  ...I don't think I even need to say anymore about THAT one.... :rant:

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 10:57:28 AM
That being said, if you are silly enough to believe anything a congress-person says, surely you do not believe ANY congressional member could EVER accomplish such an idealistic goal in any given era?!  :spooked:

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 10:57:28 AM
Pelosi is just the target presented to you by the opposition; the scapegoat being utilized to divert your attention from the fact that the REASON nothing is getting done is the nasty dark secret this country nurtures to this very day in many sectors; racism. It is the reason the republican party is stonewalling any legislation being put forth by the democrats. It is the reason Republicans play roulette with the benefits of the 4 million plus unemployed individuals in this country. And it is the reason this United States Citizen will NEVER vote republican again.

That being said, if you are silly enough to believe anything a congress-person says, surely you do not believe ANY congressional member could EVER accomplish such an idealistic goal in any given era?!  :spooked:

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 11:20:09 AM
PH when did it become racist to disagree with the administration?  If it has always been the case does that mean that blacks that disagreed with the Bush administration were racist? Why are the Dems constantly pulling the race card all of a sudden?  No one has answered that question to my satisfaction as yet.  That type of BS being spouted constantly by the dems is causing more unrest and doing more to divide people than anything.  There are blacks who disagree with his policies too so what does that make them?   

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 11:20:09 AM
PH when did it become racist to disagree with the administration?  If it has always been the case does that mean that blacks that disagreed with the Bush administration were racist? Why are the Dems constantly pulling the race card all of a sudden?  No one has answered that question to my satisfaction as yet.  That type of BS being spouted constantly by the dems is causing more unrest and doing more to divide people than anything.  There are blacks who disagree with his policies too so what does that make them?

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 11:26:38 AM
You are 100% correct me!......That attitude RIGHT there is turning me extemely sour towards politics in general....THAT is about as much of a cheap shot and an unintellgent answer as I have EVER heard...that is left-wing politics at it's finest!!!...and it is PURE BULLSHIT!! ( I cannot think of a more appropriate word to use!!)...the left is doing more to divide this country than at any other point in history.....it SUCKS, and hence the name of this title.....DEMOCRATS SUCK!!!!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 12:26:04 PM
it is my belief, that many, many Americans, who dont' follow politics very closely, fell for the hyperbol of "change and hope"...and after 8 years of demonizing Bush and the republicans...(and some of it justifiable)...decided to vote.....I think they was severly mislead and misinformed.....I think people like Oprah, and the mainstream media, put Obama on a pedestal and thus we have this POTUS...and NOW his pop rating is at an all time low (around 42%)....people have decided that this is NOT the  hope and change they believed was going to happen.

I also think there was WAY too many hard headed conservatives who did not like McCain, so they did not vote in 08.....but I am certain you will see a different crowd at the polls from now on.....my opinion, nothing else.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 01:23:34 PM
AND those very same "sheeple" are being led about by all of the FALSEHOODS and PROPAGANDA being spewed by the sour grapes crowd and bigotry infused zealots who harbor racial separatists.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 12:02:10 PM
Obama = 365   McCain = 173 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/ (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/)

Clearly a majority win in which the people made a choice to endorse change and yet before the man even took the oath of office the propaganda and opposition engaged, and continues to engage, in efforts to block anything this administration endorses or puts forth; all minus any logical explanation or spin free facts to support such actions.

What other reason(s) would motivate such a proliferation of "hate and malice" toward a POTUS even before he takes office? Had it been based upon his stated goals and objectives it would have negatively impacted the election results.

And the same individuals continuing to endorse and parrot the latest flavors of said opposition, steadfastly refuse to even consider objective and empirical evidence that proves their position is incorrect and biased!

I am saying the lion's share of the hate and malice is rooted in racial separatist positions. Minus any empirical evidence that validates otherwise, and when confronted with the illogical and non responsive tendency of the opposition to explain themselves and their purpose for such unreasonable proliferation of falsehoods, what else is left?

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 01:58:21 PM
I hate to say this but what I expect when we get closer to the next election is more of the same and telling people if they do not vote for Obama as president again they are being racist.  The Dems using that race card is getting real old. 

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 01:45:37 PM
in YOUR opinion!!....I feel the exact same about many on the left.....exactly...

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 01:58:21 PM
J
. . .
I hate to say this but what I expect when we get closer to the next election is more of the same and telling people if they do not vote for Obama as president again they are being racist.  The Dems using that race card is getting real old. 

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 02:39:56 PM
The difference being my position is supported by empirical evidence, (and before you ask for it I will say it located throughout this forum so do your homework or pay closer attention when it is being provided).
"They" will not have to. You guys are doing a fine job all by yourselves.

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 02:57:05 PM
Your "evidence" is the same old stuff that was used by other administrations before and it was never racist to disagree with it.  If it wasn't racist when Clinton and other dems were in office to disagree why is it now?  Don't use the same tired talking points use your words.  Just because something seems to work for one person doesn't mean everyone has to like it or that it works for them.  You may like socialism or progressive but I don't and neither do a lot of other people so we disagree on what they do and how they work and both have facts to back up our likes or dislikes of our opinions.  You don't accept ours and we don't accept yours and that makes us have different opinions and likes.  Being condescending, accusatory, name calling, and pulling the race card just to get others to agree is wrong, divisive, and serves no purpose whatsoever.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 03:07:24 PM
1. Show me where I am name calling. Using trendy categorization phrases is not name calling.
2. It is not the "same old stuff and talking points"
3. I'll just quote a friend in saying, "the truth will come out, just wait and see".

I just hope I am around long enough to be able to say "I told you so".

QuoteQuote from: me on Today at 02:57:05 PM

    Your "evidence" is the same old stuff that was used by other administrations before and it was never racist to disagree with it. If it wasn't racist when Clinton and other dems were in office to disagree why is it now?  Don't use the same tired talking points use your words.  Just because something seems to work for one person doesn't mean everyone has to like it or that it works for them.  You may like socialism or progressive but I don't and neither do a lot of other people so we disagree on what they do and how they work and both have facts to back up our likes or dislikes of our opinions.  You don't accept ours and we don't accept yours and that makes us have different opinions and likes.  Being condescending, accusatory, name calling, and pulling the race card just to get others to agree is wrong, divisive, and serves no purpose whatsoever.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 11:11:32 AM
I don't believe, but unfortunatly way too many people DID back in 2006....and you are so wrong about the next election and like I have said, TIME will tell the truth!!!..and one thing I am sure of, there will NOT be as many democrats in office this fall... ;)

and please don't fall for the "racism" bullshit...THAT is clearly the liberals plan to do, is make this a race issue in 2010....

THEY SUCK!! and suck BAD!!......

THAT feel's so goood to say... :yes:  (becasue it is TRUE)

Quote from: The Troll on May 03, 2010, 03:40:32 PM

The Troll, Democrat, Liberal and a American loving Sonvabitch :flag: :salute:

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 03:07:24 PM
1. Show me where I am name calling. Using trendy categorization phrases is not name calling.
2. It is not the "same old stuff and talking points"
3. I'll just quote a friend in saying, "the truth will come out, just wait and see".

I just hope I am around long enough to be able to say "I told you so".

Quote from: The Troll on May 03, 2010, 03:40:32 PM
Henry, :wall: I have read all of your posts up to and including this post.  Henry :wall: what you have said is the most convoluted and mentally deranged posting that you have ever made. :wacko: :flap: :flap:

   I wondered what had happened to you this week, you seem to have been missing, after you was made to look so stupid last week.  Now, I know why, you just got out of the mental hospital.  :pray: to much.  Or did your Homophobic an Racist thinking get the best of you.  :pray: Somebody please say Amen! :preach: :sarcasm:

  For weeks, I have been trying think of just were you were coming from.  You're not really a Republican, the're greedy meatheads.  You're not a Libertarian, their for letting the rich get richer and the expense of the working man,  because even they are not as far out as you.  :puke:

  Your a ANARCHIST! "Anarchism, the theory that all forms of government are incompatible with individual and social liberty and should be abolished. :stirthepot:

  I have never seen anyone so full of hate and stupidity, except the Nazi's against the Jews.  :yes: :yes:

  God loving, God fearing, Jesus love man, my ass.  :kissit:

The Troll, Democrat, Liberal and a American loving Sonvabitch :flag:  :salute:

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 03:15:48 PM
. . .
You didn't answer the one big question,

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 04:00:30 PM
At least then the opposition took the time to listen and digest the opposing perspectives before going off on a propaganda campaign.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 04:16:16 PM
BULLSHIT!!!..

it started way back when they said he 'stole' the election form gore....and was breifly stifled after 9/11....but, then it was balls to the wall with the propaganda bs....and THAT IS A FACT.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 04:21:02 PM
Not true and you know it. But hypothetically lets say it is true. So now its playground rules and because "they" did it you get a free pass? Thats a self-serving house of cards and I hope you are wearing a hardhat; because its awfully high and may hurt you when it implodes. . .

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 04:00:30 PM
You guys didn't start disagreeing before he/they were in office then either. (NOTE: I never supported slick willy while in office, but I accepted the fact he was POTUS and afforded him the respect the office he held commanded).

The crap being spewed hasn't been this prevalent and premature for any other POTUS in history, and the opposition has never displayed such a severe state of denial in history either. There have been several POTUS's I did not vote for but my approach has always been to wait and see and to provide them enough time to prove me wrong; but not you guys. It was pedal to the metal before he even started, and has not even stopped to reassess for a nano-second.

You can say whatever you want about how it was with the Shrub, but I know for a fact it was NEVER this bad even during the height of his lying. At least then the opposition took the time to listen and digest the opposing perspectives before going off on a propaganda campaign. I know because I was one of those who supported the shrub out of the gate, and overlooked his shortfalls until he lied.

One mistake every single one of you commit is take the statement as pertaining to whatever issue(s) you maintain strong feelings over itself. My position surrounds the underlying motivations for said position, not the emotional flotsam the associated propaganda is meant to impose upon it, and unfortunately most of the opposition has already been blinded by it. They are unaware of the racial roots simply because the associated emotional propaganda and purveyors of same intended it to do so and it is working very well.

I've got news for everyone; there has never been a POTUS in history who could have done any better than Obama, with the current state of this country within the time frame that has passed, and placed within an identical political septic tank. And the tank is full so all those turds you keep producing are going to splash back!

Even Johnson with the Nam war debacle was not subjected to this level of opposition and critique. . .

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 04:30:45 PM
Um, if I had agreed with him/them I would have voted for him/them and I didn't so therefore I was disagreeing with him/them right out of the gate too.  You can disagree with someone and still respect the office ya know. If I have to suck up and agree to show respect then it ain't gonna happen. I am disagreeing with policies which has nothing to do with the man or the office I just don't happen to like the policies I don't even know the man to know if I like him or not.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 04:27:06 PM
And the whole reality of this situation is that us puffing about our individual perspectives achieves nothing, and thanks to the SCOTUS providing corporations with individual, constitutional rights, it never will. (Unless of course your position happens to support that of the self serving corporation).

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 04:44:09 PM
http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=16542.0 (http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=16542.0)

Here's another good example of the opposing propaganda campaign at work.  :rolleyes:

THESE are your comrades in arms and "good" republicans at work.  :rolleyes:

The guy had been in office a YEAR and STILL they persist with this bullshit even though it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt!  :rolleyes: :mad:

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 05:28:11 PM
But you see all the secrecy and unknowns about Obama foster those kinds of things.  His associations thought his life and the fact that he may have gone to college with  foreign student aid all contribute to a lot of things too.  How does a US citizen qualify for foreign student aid?  If that isn't how he got the money to go to college why doesn't he disclose that and his college records to dispel a lot of those rumors?  IMO these things aren't as important as his performance, which has been questionable at best to me at this point, but to some people it is important and if there is nothing to hide what is the harm in him releasing his college records to dispel the rumors once and for all?

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 04:25:56 PM
and democrats DO suck!!!... :razz:

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 06:02:14 PM
See, it is attitudes like that surrounding his birth, college education, etc., that detract from any potential validity surrounding anything else you have to say surrounding his performance or policy. His birth has been beaten into the ground DESPITE the fact it has proven a thousand times over and over again.

The head of the department of records for the hospital he was born in supplied a certified copy of his birth certificate to countless entities like the elections governing body, and the chief of SNOPES of all entities, and still receives so many requests surrounding this document that the hospital has now issued a directive for the department to ignore any and all future requests. Their department is STILL receiving anywhere from hundreds to thousands of requests surrounding this "issue" every day! He's a natural born citizen for cripes sake, now let it go! :rolleyes:

I would no more make my college transcripts available for public viewing than you would vote democratic. I see no reason why he should be forced to provide fuel for a lynching party, and this is nothing more than a fishing expedition, just like his birth. . .  Again, you lost so get over it, get in line, or get out of the way. . . :rolleyes:

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 06:48:32 PM
But you don't hold a public office and the dems expected Bush to release his records and went after anything they could find so what's the difference?  What I'm saying is that both sides play the game and it's just as wrong for one side as it is the other and does nothing to solve anything.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 10:19:11 AM

Democrats SUCK!!

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 03, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
Republicans swallow  ;D

Quote from: me on May 03, 2010, 06:48:32 PM
But you don't hold a public office and the dems expected Bush to release his records and went after anything they could find so what's the difference?  What I'm saying is that both sides play the game and it's just as wrong for one side as it is the other and does nothing to solve anything.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 03, 2010, 09:24:20 PM
Republicans swallow  ;D

Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2010, 10:58:18 PM
Just because Bushco was stupid enough to relent to unreasonable requests that were not required by policy or law, doesn't mean the current administration or any that follow has to do the same. Bush fed the wolves, Obama chooses to let them starve or move on to other prey. . .  (No offense intended ftw. Just referring to that native American story surrounding wolves).  :smile:

Quote from: me on May 04, 2010, 12:19:06 AM
So what I'm saying is wrong on both sides you're excusing on the dem's side I take it.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 04, 2010, 11:43:55 AM
I am not excusing anyone or anything. If your expectation is that groups, individuals, demanding information not legally required of the targeted individual to provide, be subjected to legal persecution, you'd find yourself in the pokey in short order just based on the postings you have made in this forum alone.  :razz:

Attaching legal jeopardy to such inquiries / actions constitutes an increased level of government control, something I thought you and your twin are so heel bent for leather to prevent. . .

Quote from: followsthewolf on May 04, 2010, 03:30:28 PM
It's a no-win situation.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2010, 10:36:18 AMThe number of people filing new claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly rose last week by the largest amount in three months. The big surge was a setback to hopes that layoffs were declining..... Unemployment hoovers 10%.... Mortgage delinquencies and foreclosures break records this last month.... the US deficit has risen to over $1.5 TRILLION... Folks, It has been a year and a half of Obama, and 4 and half years of Democrat controlled house and senate......... I just don't see things all peachy!!!....Like they promised!! I think they ALL suck!! :rant: ...along with most of the republicans..... we NEED "hope and change"...

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2010, 02:04:44 PMblah, blah, blah...........................unemployment was around 4.5% while Bush was in office..........it was 6% his last year.... it has been since 2006 when Pelosi and Reid took over.............if anything it is THIER mess. so, blah, blah, blah... things are NOT getting any better, they are getting WORSE.....maybe we should go back to TAX CUTS for the small business and blue collar workers........instead of GOV spending OUR money like bandits... things are going to change for the good in november though...THEN we will see things start to get better.... ;)

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2010, 04:00:14 PMout tax cuts go away next year..........THAT will do wonders for the economy. also, BP DOES pay taxes, as a mater of fact they paid 40.4% tax rate in the 4th quarter of 2009....Exxon has not paid any....that is another story. and as far as this next election goes...........we will just wait and see, Troll. but, please will you quit acting like the democrats are saints?..............I will admit the repubs have had their share of scum, but the dems are equal too or more than when it comes to unethical politics.

Quote from: The Troll on May 20, 2010, 06:42:01 PM
  What is that old saying, the more things change the more things stay the same.  :dam:

Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 03:26:02 PM
Your boy Rand Paul continues to whip up the racist battle mongers and is whining about not getting a honeymoon!  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 04:12:44 PM
None the less, he flies the republican colors from his ship of fools, and is representing their supposed values. Mainstream republicans are tripping over themselves in trying to distance themselves from him, but you cannot un-ring the bell.

That such an obvious jackass can obtain a majority vote in any state in the country is to say the least, disgusting!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 04:18:25 PM
what is disgusting is that the people are so sick of democrats f@#king up our country so bad, that they are willing to vote in a libetarian like Paul....JUST to keep another democrat from being elected.....THAT is what is disgusting

Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 03:26:02 PM
Your boy Rand Paul continues to whip up the racist battle mongers and is whining about not getting a honeymoon!  :rolleyes:

Quote from: me on May 21, 2010, 05:11:23 PM
Rand Paul is not a segregationists, he is against segregation, it is government interference into private enterprise that he is against and there is a difference. He said he would have voted for integration but would not have liked the part about the government telling private business how to conduct their business. For the record I do not like Ron Paul and don't know Rand Paul I saw the interview.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 04:39:45 PM
Never heard of him.... :no:

and I can assure you he is NOT a "leader" of those who attend the tea parties.....

i think what we have hear is a loud mouth that the libs are claiming to be a "tea party" leader....

the left is desperate to do whatever they can to destroy this movement...but it is more than just a "movement' it is REAL people f'ing pissed at gov spending and social driven agenda's...that are going to change the tone in washington....

the people that count in this are not following any "leader" they are not "following" those who want to continue this "spend, spend, spend attitude that the left is demonstrating...

the bottom line is REAL people of this Country are tired and don't like what is currently going on...and the truth IS going to be revealed at the polls....if I am wrong, then you can go "nay, nay, nay, nay nay, nay".....but If I am right, then I will simply say, "you lost; get over it".... :razz:

One thing is for sure, this country has NEVER been more divided than it right now...(in my life time anyway)...

It is kind of scarey WHERE this is going to end up.....

I know I am not willing to back down from my stance on these times.....I am as fired up for a change as I ever have...and most people I know, are feeling the same way....

Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 05:18:52 PM
Semantics - if you saw the interview than you heard him say that businesses have the right to refuse to serve or hire individuals based upon race or any other factor. . . and that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 applies only to government business and those businesses servicing the government. ALL a bunch of lies and he knows it!

The CRA of 1964 was based upon a case wherein an individual was refused service at a private business based upon their race. It was written to eliminate discriminatory practices period, and not just in government.

Now, you can dress it up anyway you like to, but a duck is still a duck and this one's quacking long and hard!  :yes:

Quote from: me on May 21, 2010, 05:58:16 PM
He said segregation is wrong but government should not be able to interferer into private business.  He said it is wrong but still should not be up to the government to dictate such things.  He did not say that private business has a right to refuse service or heir based upon race or any other factor.  He may well be just as much of an idiot as his dad appears to be but I know what I heard.

Quote from: me on May 21, 2010, 05:11:23 PM
Rand Paul is not a segregationists, he is against segregation, it is government interference into private enterprise that he is against and there is a difference. He said he would have voted for integration but would not have liked the part about the government telling private business how to conduct their business. For the record I do not like Ron Paul and don't know Rand Paul I saw the interview.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 04:39:45 PM

...and I can assure you he is NOT a "leader" of those who attend the tea parties.....

Quote from: me on May 21, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
IMO he is having words put into his mouth and the right is making mountains out of molehills.  At no time does he say he approves of racism or segregation nor does he say he disagrees with the civil rights bill.  He only disagrees with the government getting into private business period.  I am sooo tired of things being twisted into a knot I could puke and both sides do it but the right is taking that racism thing over the top.  He would have voted on the bill he would have marched with King he thinks racism is abhorrent so how can you say he's a racist and wants segregation?  You are being told to think that and shazam that's what you think.  You are being told if anyone disagrees with this administrations policies they are racists and obstructionists and shazam you believe it.  Black people are being told they are a disgrace to their race if they disagree with the current administration. What is that all about?  Something is just not right and if you'll stop and look around you might just wake up to that fact.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 08:54:37 PM
Huh. . . more quacking. . .go figure!  :rolleyes:

The guy is asked a direct question that requires a simple yes or no answer, and he spews a lot of historical flotsam intended to divert you attention from the fact he's clearly saying private owners should have the right to discriminate. There's no other way to possibly interpret that.

Quote from: me on May 21, 2010, 09:02:23 PM
But you don't pick apart the Dems when they are in the same situation you tell us we are putting words into their mouths.

Quote from: me on May 21, 2010, 09:02:23 PM
But you don't pick apart the Dems when they are in the same situation you tell us we are putting words into their mouths.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 05:30:43 PM
Umm. . .yeah, he is. He's been a featured speaker at a large number of these "parties" and has shared the stage with the likes of Sarah Palin, ET AL at many of them. He has spewed the same tripe filled message of hate and malice since the tea party started, and continues to do so.

I'll tell you what is scary, the fact so many of you have become so desperate for validation that you blindly follow closet Nazi's and nitwits; then when they are exposed for what they are you feign ignorance and try to distance yourself from the individual. Personally I find it no surprise to see so many bigots and racial separatists amongst you. They feed on hate and desperation and there is plenty of that to go around in those little parties you idiots are throwing.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 09:17:02 PM
Rand Paul is talking out of both sides of his mouth, and even his statement is contradictory of itself. The CRA of 1964 was about one thing; discrimination. Across the board; private, government, semi-private, NO ONE has the right to discriminate.

Paul says on one hand he is against discrimination, BUT then he says he would change the 1964 CRA to eliminate its oversight of private enterprise. To what end? So they can be free to discriminate of course! He has said it over and over in the clip I posted and you see that as harmless?

No friggin wonder this country is in the state its in.  :mad:

And you can say whatever you want to about me supposedly not calling it the same way lady, I don't care. I call out racists whenever I see them and from whomever it emits, and partisan lines do not exist when it comes to that. I don't give a rats ass if they are republican, democrats, or purple jeebus freaks; a racist is a racist and there is zero tolerance for that bullshit in this house. ZERO.

There is no accounting for the stupidity that is running rampant in this country, and Rand Paul is a perfect example of what happens when stupid people are blinded by political rancor. His own political party will not support his ass, but god damn the sheeple filled tea party will!  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 10:14:26 PM
this is the first time that I can think of, where I am totally against what you just said, and I am extremely disappointed on your thought process, because you ARE 100% wrong... I usually can respect your opinions even if I disagree, but you have went too far with your biased bullshit...that is nothing but disrespectful.....and it is THAT kind of attitude is why we have a distention in this country.....and that aint no shit

Quote from: me on May 21, 2010, 10:24:28 PM
Show me where he say's he would change the CRA.  He said he was against the government getting into private business, yes, but he did not say "I would change the CRA".  You are making it what is convenient to support what you are being told he meant.  I am reading it as a non supporter of his so don't even go where I know you are gonna try to go with it.  I probably would not have voted for him had I lived in Ky because of his dad but that is neither here nor there.  I am seeing someone raked over the coals for something that wasn't said or intended but rather for being a whipping post with which to beat the Tea Party movement.  He thanked the Tea Party for his being elected but did they support him or did he get elected because the people in Ky are fed up with both the Dems and the Republicans? He is a Libertarian remember.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 10:14:26 PM
this is the first time that I can think of, where I am totally against what you just said, and I am extremely disappointed on your thought process, because you ARE 100% wrong... I usually can respect your opinions even if I disagree, but you have went too far with your biased bullshit...that is nothing but disrespectful.....and it is THAT kind of attitude is why we have a distention in this country.....and that aint no shit

Quote from: me on May 21, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
IMO he is having words put into his mouth and the right is making mountains out of molehills.  At no time does he say he approves of racism or segregation nor does he say he disagrees with the civil rights bill.  He only disagrees with the government getting into private business period.  I am sooo tired of things being twisted into a knot I could puke and both sides do it but the right is taking that racism thing over the top.  He would have voted on the bill he would have marched with King he thinks racism is abhorrent so how can you say he's a racist and wants segregation?  You are being told to think that and shazam that's what you think.  You are being told if anyone disagrees with this administrations policies they are racists and obstructionists and shazam you believe it.  Black people are being told they are a disgrace to their race if they disagree with the current administration. What is that all about?  Something is just not right and if you'll stop and look around you might just wake up to that fact.

Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 10:55:48 PM
Here's a little light reading for you. All of these sources have one thing in common; they all refer to him as a tea party member/leader, and his web page lists him as chairman of the TPX! He's even got your bitch Sarah on his page!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/tea-party-leader-melts-do_n_286933.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/15/tea-party-leader-melts-do_n_286933.html)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/19/mark-williams-tea-party-l_n_582591.html
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/19/mark-williams-tea-party-l_n_582591.html)
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/05/19/2010-05-19_tea_party_leader_mark_williams_says_muslims_worship_a_monkey_god_blasts_ground_z.html
(http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/05/19/2010-05-19_tea_party_leader_mark_williams_says_muslims_worship_a_monkey_god_blasts_ground_z.html)
http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/04/tea-party-activists-internally-debate-foolishness-of-mark-williamss-response-to-dylan-ratigans-racist-charges/ (http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/04/tea-party-activists-internally-debate-foolishness-of-mark-williamss-response-to-dylan-ratigans-racist-charges/)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/12/tea.party.express/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/12/tea.party.express/index.html)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34671_Tea_Party_Leader_Mark_Williams-_Hoist_With_His_Own_Petard
(http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/34671_Tea_Party_Leader_Mark_Williams-_Hoist_With_His_Own_Petard)
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908280024 (http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908280024)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CitkQMVev8M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CitkQMVev8M)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Williams_(radio_host) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Williams_(radio_host))

http://www.teapartyexpress.org/about/ (http://www.teapartyexpress.org/about/)

Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 10:39:30 PM
PROVE it! The guy is all over the damned party and is recognized as one of its leaders!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 24, 2010, 08:30:27 AMagain, you still missed my point.............it had nothing to do with Paul....it was more about YOU and your words... maybe it is just me, and I am too thin skinned for this forum anymore....it didn't USED to be this way.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 24, 2010, 09:32:46 AM
again, you speak about as clueless as you always do....

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 24, 2010, 08:30:27 AMagain, you still missed my point.............it had nothing to do with Paul....it was more about YOU and your words... maybe it is just me, and I am too thin skinned for this forum anymore....it didn't USED to be this way.

Quote from: The Troll on May 24, 2010, 08:34:42 PM
 

    http://www,wikihow.com/stop-being-paranoid

Quote from: The Troll on May 25, 2010, 08:54:11 AM
  You finally figure it out, you do have a problem.  You need a Shrink, you're Paranoid, on top of not being the brightest bulb in the pack.  :rotfl: :rotfl:

Quote from: me on May 25, 2010, 10:19:27 AM
Not paranoid just not blinded by the light is all.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 04, 2010, 07:56:57 AM
I find it interesting that those who believe in the afterlife are concerned about this issue anyway. these embryos have commited no sins so should be wholeheatedly accepted in "Heaven". As for the mothers, that's their god's place to pass judgement, again nothing for them to be concerned with.

Personally, I don't susbscribe to any of that malarky, but think it's arrogant to think that someone feels that they have a moral obligation to interfere with a decision that belongs to someone else. It's her life and right or wong it should be her choice. Just as I have the right to refuse recusitation, I should have the right to request assistance in ending my life if I become terminally ill or severely disabled.

Quote from: me on June 04, 2010, 08:22:13 AM
I found this statement quite interesting considering the dems think they know what is right for all of us and have the right to dictate to us what they think is best for us by dictating what we eat, watch, listen to, and other aspects of peoples lives that should remain our choice.  I realize that is a different subject but it could apply equally and is another reason Democrats suck.

Quote from: The Troll on June 04, 2010, 01:47:38 PM
  You are really going of your rocker Grandma.  We're not dicating anything.  You can do as you dam well please.  Just leave us our of  your plans.

  You're the people who want to control everything, who has an abortion, who's phone to tap, who's bed room you want to enter and who can get married.  Who you can water board and who you can kill in the name of God.  Go suck :suck: :suck: go suck a pickle, Grandma.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 04, 2010, 02:01:15 PM
So, "me" do you have a source or proof of your statements or are you just babbling?

I personally think your entire comment is supported by rightwing propaganda and therefore invalid, which means, Democrats do NOT suck, for that reason anyway. ;D

Quote from: me on June 04, 2010, 01:57:42 PM
Ya, the dems just want to tell us how to eat, what to drive, how to spend our money, how much money we can make, how cool or warm to keep our homes........you know, the important stuff.   :rolleyes:

Quote from: Palehorse on June 04, 2010, 02:31:45 PM
Until the governed understand, there will always be those who are against those initiatives that either party presents as a potential solution. Things like democrats and republicans will do nothing to fix it, until those they work for demand it and do so in a majority voice.

The past 30 years have proven this. . .

Quote from: Palehorse on June 04, 2010, 02:31:45 PM
Until the governed understand, there will always be those who are against those initiatives that either party presents as a potential solution. Things like democrats and republicans will do nothing to fix it, until those they work for demand it and do so in a majority voice.

The past 30 years have proven this. . .

Quote from: me on June 04, 2010, 04:11:32 PM
And that is exactly what the Tea Party is about.  :razz:

Quote from: Palehorse on June 04, 2010, 04:12:32 PM
Nooooo. . . Queen Palin says its about "drill baby. drill"!

Quote from: me on June 04, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Then you haven't been paying attention.

Quote from: me on June 04, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Then you haven't been paying attention.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 04, 2010, 04:29:12 PM
not at all...

Quote from: Palehorse on June 04, 2010, 04:30:24 PM
I've paid enough attention to know the likes of Palin and Paul do NOT represent the values of this voter, and neither does the tea party.

It's all about punking the POTUS, pure and simple; and the "party" will say and do anything to instigate obstructionist congressional actions and incite rebellious behaviors from its sheeple. . .

You tea totalers just do not realize that had you STFU and waited things out, the odds were you would win the next election. Before Clinton there had not been a back to back democratic party win since FDR. . . But no, you have to go out and propagandize the world, spread filth and lies, and get so scared you hoist up an attention whore and a nazi wanna be as your saviors. . . It's hard to tell what else will crawl out of the wood work before election day gets here.

Is that tea in your cup or oil?

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 04, 2010, 04:42:15 PM

I'm going to say it one more time.........the tea party (the vast majority) is nothing more than regular folks who are sick of government spending........ it is the left who has propagandized it into a bunch of 'raceist, obama haters'.........but that is not the f'ing truth, by a LONG shot....I know, I have been there, and I know PLENTY of folks who are proud to say they went to them before.......if the dems would have STFU, the tea party probably would NOT have gathered as much steam....those 'rebellious' behaviours you speak about, simply has not happened, at least not in any magnitude.....it is YOU who has drank the kool ade by MSNBC and believe this theory of hatred.....it don't exist PH...they are just day-to-day folks who want LESS Government and to get rid of the corruption in washington...for it to respect our Constitution....and like I have said a hundred time and will say it again and again.........the truth will speak loudly in November.

Quote from: Palehorse on June 04, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
Well you "say" that, but the pictures, the speeches, and the media consistently say the opposite. The TP leadership consistently say the opposite.

You appear to be in denial. . .

Quote from: me on June 04, 2010, 06:58:21 PM
Of course the media you watch is going to say the opposite because they are suck ups.  Just like you're never going to see the SEIU beating the hell out of a bunch of people they disagree with or hear about them going to the private homes of bank execs and terrorizing them and the neighbors.

Quote from: Palehorse on June 04, 2010, 07:10:32 PM
Smokescreens, both of them. . .

Every single media source not controlled by the GOP is consistent in their reporting surrounding these idiots. . . You've seen the signs and shirts, and heard the spewing. . . You just have selective memory. . .

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 04, 2010, 10:40:16 PM
it is horseshit PH, I went to the one in Indy, and when I got home and watched it on the news, they show some toothless idiots and a couple of anti obama signs, they did not show the vast majority of folks like myself, the businessmen, the military, the families......you ARE being snowballed by the media....but, you guys always just turn it around and slam fox news......CBS, NBC,ABC, MSNBC and CNN are liberal ran media....

I will argue with you on this until my face turns blue, because I am right, and I know it for a FACT....say what you want to about me, but I'm NOT simply being hard headed....but when I know I'm right about something I'm not going to back down and give in.....

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 04, 2010, 10:47:06 PM
Sorry, but maybe that's an exception. I've seen several in various parts of the country and the only thing missing was duelling banjos. :spooked:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 08, 2010, 08:58:29 AM
yes, you "seen" several.... :rolleyes: .....on MSNBC, CBS, NBC OR ABC......... :no: .........How many have YOU beenn too?

it is called..............."KOOL-ADE"... :yes:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 08, 2010, 09:22:03 AM
ALL I CAN SAY IS..........WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER, AND WE WILL SEE WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO IS WRONG... ;)

Quote from: The Troll on June 08, 2010, 01:18:44 PM
Yeh, Like it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summer time.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 08, 2010, 01:22:07 PM
And God didn't make little green apples..............Not to change the subject, but isn't that about the dumbest lyrics ever?.....I guess Roger Miller didn't ever COME to Indianapolis in the summertime....

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2010, 10:58:34 AM
http://www.breitbart.tv/congressman-assaults-student-on-washington-sidewalk/ (http://www.breitbart.tv/congressman-assaults-student-on-washington-sidewalk/)

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 01:09:07 PM
But throwing the N word around toward the POTUS is acceptable eh?  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2010, 01:11:53 PM

who threw the N word around?...

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 01:13:08 PM
Texas Tea Party members. . .

Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 01:39:34 PM
And if they did, which I have never heard, what would that have to do with this incident.  Does it excuse what that congressman did?  This student may have been an Obama supporter for all anyone knows.  In case you failed to notice the student was being very polite through the whole thing and the congressman was the one being rude and violent.

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 01:42:36 PM
Okay. . . you are right and everyone else is wrong. Let's go ahead and lynch him!  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 01:46:10 PM
Yep, and if that had been your son that is exactly how you would feel. 


Of course that might be called "acceptable violence".

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2010, 01:50:07 PM
Andrew Breitbart offered $10K reward for ANY one who can prove that the N word was hurled at tea part.....


so far, he has not written a check yet, because THAT is all left wing media bullsht...

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2010, 01:51:31 PM
all a decent person would have done is said........I'm sorry no comment, and moved on.............not this prick!

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 01:52:49 PM
Yeah. . . rigggght!  :rolleyes:
I applaud this man. Anyone comes up to me trying to record my ass, take a picture, or entrap me, I'll pimp slap their ass!

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 02:02:50 PM
:suck: :suck: :suck: :suck: :suck: :suck:

Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 02:06:50 PM
Democrate self portrait.^

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 02:15:10 PM
Denial as usual. Now take your binky and stop your crying!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2010, 02:36:54 PM
you are the one who was going to all "kung fu" on someone IF they ever approached you llike that..........
. . .

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 02:39:27 PM
Especially if they are a conservative republican!

Of course, I'd more than likely just take a page from Ex's play book and just chop them in the throat. Shut them up and drop them in one chop!  :yes:

Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
And here I thought Dem's were supposed to be the ones who were so peaceful and thought violence was soooooo wrong.... :rolleyes:  When the kid told him I'm a student couldn't he have just said "I'm sorry but I don't want to talk right now" instead of punching him out and grabbing his arm?

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 02:46:33 PM
He could have, but he also could have done like I would have and just chopped the yapping pup in the throat and walked on too.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2010, 02:47:41 PM
You know me, this tells alot about character when they condone this type of bullshit....but then again, this is exactly what the democrat party has become...a bunch of ranting, cry babies who get pissed when the opposition calls them out on their ideas....that is why they can't even control congress despite having the majority, they cannot, in a civil manner, bring forth issues and get the work done.....that is exactly how this POS congressman just dealt with this kid......he couldn't be civil, he tryied to bully his way...........just lik Obama tries to do............. :no:

I can't wait unitl November.... :razz:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2010, 02:49:29 PM
I guess you don't believe in the first admendment right?......or are you just practicing democrat politics of being a prick?

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 02:50:58 PM
That kid was trying to be the next Geraldo and he got his arm grabbed and a hug for his yapping. Like you wouldn't get pissed if some idiot tried that on you?  :rolleyes:

Man, maybe that kid should sue him for battery and assault!  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 02:43:15 PM
And here I thought Dem's were supposed to be the ones who were so peaceful and thought violence was soooooo wrong....

Quote from: Exterminator on June 14, 2010, 04:13:08 PM
You have a lot of misconceptions.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2010, 02:57:28 PM
the kid was five foot nothing and barely a hundred and nuthing pounds...and all he asked this congressmen is "Hi Congressman, How are you?....do you fully support the Obama agenda?"....and the Dickhead said "who are YOU, twice then swung at the cameraman...

reall go back and watch it PH, the dumbass congressman is a dick................I always thought YOU was unbiased and voted for the best person........THIS just tells me that you are just siding with this guy becasue he is a democrat and I said he sucked......

very disappointing...

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 07:42:38 PM
(CNN) – North Carolina Rep. Bob Etheridge reiterated his apology Monday after an online video surfaced showing he was involved in a physical altercation with two young men who approached him on a Washington, DC street and asked the Democrat whether he supported President Barack Obama's agenda.

"The truth is I had a long day, it was the end of the day, almost sunset," he told reporters on Capitol Hill. "But that's not the issue. The issue is I apologize for my actions and the people of North Carolina know me well and I apologize to these young men as well."

Etheridge declined to say whether more words or actions were exchanged beyond those that were shown in the edited video posted anonymously online Monday.

"I've been spat at, pushed on and threatened before and that's no excuse for my not walking on by," Etheridge said while declining to disclose if more words were exchanged. "Just no excuse."

The six-term congressman also said he still does not know who the young men – who identified themselves as students in the video – are.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=qWQuFzQ04-P (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=qWQuFzQ04-P)

Are you happy now, or do we still need to order a rope?

Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 08:19:54 PM
I'm sure no one will call for his head on a platter like the dems would if he were a Republican.

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 08:21:14 PM
The twins are!  :yes: :biggrin:

Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 08:23:24 PM
Nope just sayin' he's a jerk and it wouldn't matter if he were a Dem or a Republican a jerk is a jerk.

Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 08:19:54 PM
I'm sure no one will call for his head on a platter like the dems would if he were a Republican.

Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 07:42:38 PM
(CNN) – North Carolina Rep. Bob Etheridge reiterated his apology Monday after an online video surfaced showing he was involved in a physical altercation with two young men who approached him on a Washington, DC street and asked the Democrat whether he supported President Barack Obama's agenda.

"The truth is I had a long day, it was the end of the day, almost sunset," he told reporters on Capitol Hill. "But that's not the issue. The issue is I apologize for my actions and the people of North Carolina know me well and I apologize to these young men as well."

Etheridge declined to say whether more words or actions were exchanged beyond those that were shown in the edited video posted anonymously online Monday.

"I've been spat at, pushed on and threatened before and that's no excuse for my not walking on by," Etheridge said while declining to disclose if more words were exchanged. "Just no excuse."

The six-term congressman also said he still does not know who the young men – who identified themselves as students in the video – are.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=qWQuFzQ04-P (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/?fbid=qWQuFzQ04-P)

Are you happy now, or do we still need to order a rope?

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 12:24:22 PM

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 10:07:54 AM
SAN FRANCISCO — During her 10 years as chief executive of eBay, Meg Whitman, the Republican candidate for governor of California, was known as a demanding leader who did not hesitate to express displeasure with employees who failed to live up to her standards.

But on one occasion, she was accused of going too far — and paid for it.

In June 2007, an eBay employee claimed that Ms. Whitman became angry and forcefully pushed her in an executive conference room at eBay's headquarters, according to multiple former eBay employees with knowledge of the incident. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the matter was delicate and was deemed to be strictly confidential.

The employee, Young Mi Kim, was preparing Ms. Whitman for a news media interview that day. Ms. Kim, who was not injured in the incident, hired a lawyer and threatened a lawsuit, but the dispute was resolved under the supervision of a private mediator.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/us/politics/15whitman.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/us/politics/15whitman.html)

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 10:07:54 AM
SAN FRANCISCO — During her 10 years as chief executive of eBay, Meg Whitman, the Republican candidate for governor of California, was known as a demanding leader who did not hesitate to express displeasure with employees who failed to live up to her standards.

But on one occasion, she was accused of going too far — and paid for it.

In June 2007, an eBay employee claimed that Ms. Whitman became angry and forcefully pushed her in an executive conference room at eBay's headquarters, according to multiple former eBay employees with knowledge of the incident. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the matter was delicate and was deemed to be strictly confidential.

The employee, Young Mi Kim, was preparing Ms. Whitman for a news media interview that day. Ms. Kim, who was not injured in the incident, hired a lawyer and threatened a lawsuit, but the dispute was resolved under the supervision of a private mediator.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/us/politics/15whitman.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/us/politics/15whitman.html)

Quote from: me on June 15, 2010, 12:54:13 PM
So what's yer point?  Still doesn't excuse what that congressman did to that student.

Quote from: me on June 15, 2010, 12:54:13 PM
So what's yer point?  Still doesn't excuse what that congressman did to that student.

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 01:09:12 PM
Why aren't you two castigating that republican candidate for governor?  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Answer: Because it is a republican, and it doesn't serve your propaganda agenda!  :yes:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
by your standards, that is what YOU are guilty of.....show me a video of this gov acting like a prick and I will publicly agree that she is a prick.....

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 01:13:05 PM
So now you know more than a court of law too?  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You are throwing rocks while living in a glass house!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2010, 01:19:26 PM
she was only "accused"....not found guilty of anything...I know a little about the law, and that does not make anyone guilty.....not like a f'g video.....that YOU are so hardheaded to simply admit, that the democrat POS congressmant is a PRICK!!

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 01:23:29 PM
No I am the prick, so you say.

The matter was settled with an agreement in the six figure bracket. . . Clearly a move to minimize liability.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2010, 01:26:19 PM
prove it....you cant'.... :no: ....................I can, and did, with a video. ;)

QuoteQuote from: Palehorse on Today at 10:07:54 AM

    SAN FRANCISCO — During her 10 years as chief executive of eBay, Meg Whitman, the Republican candidate for governor of California, was known as a demanding leader who did not hesitate to express displeasure with employees who failed to live up to her standards.

    But on one occasion, she was accused of going too far — and paid for it.

    In June 2007, an eBay employee claimed that Ms. Whitman became angry and forcefully pushed her in an executive conference room at eBay's headquarters, according to multiple former eBay employees with knowledge of the incident. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because the matter was delicate and was deemed to be strictly confidential.

    The employee, Young Mi Kim, was preparing Ms. Whitman for a news media interview that day. Ms. Kim, who was not injured in the incident, hired a lawyer and threatened a lawsuit, but the dispute was resolved under the supervision of a private mediator.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/us/politics/15whitman.html

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 01:40:16 PM
Once again, you two prove what everyone is saying; you're addicted to your kool aid!  :yes:

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 01:40:16 PM
Once again, you two prove what everyone is saying; you're addicted to your kool aid!  :yes:

Quote from: Exterminator on June 15, 2010, 03:53:57 PM
Because Mike Pence is a douche.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2010, 04:14:22 PM
just as the douche bag in NC is....

Quote from: Exterminator on June 15, 2010, 03:53:57 PM
Because Mike Pence is a douche.

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 04:19:54 PM
Well look at what they have leading them there! A former gov. that left office in disgrace over his extra marital affair, (republican), A current candidate for that office who has played musical beds with everyone but her husband,(also republican and one of the former govs aids. Wonder where she learned that?) and a Senator who calls her and the POTUS a racial slur, (raghead), and oh guess what!? He is also a republican!  :biggrin: :rolleyes:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2010, 04:33:36 PM
Just like a democrat, blame the republicans for THIER mistakes!!!!  UN-F'ing believeable!!!........talk about gulping down so kool-ade!!!

Damn!!

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 04:35:28 PM
WTF? What happened to all that personal accountability you parrots were squawking?

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2010, 05:00:04 PM
you are doing EVERYTHING unders the sun to simply admit.....that this congressmen in the video is a prick!!!

are you that much in love with democrats or do you just hate me that much to admit it?

Quote from: Palehorse on June 15, 2010, 05:06:00 PM
The guy apologized. I let him speak for himself! Your constant harping on this is indicative of sour grapes!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2010, 05:09:46 PM
no sour grapes at all, I never voted for or against this prick, I never, even heard of him until this video..., I simply was seeing if you was capable of being unbiased.....and I found my answer. ;)

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2010, 05:00:04 PM
...this congressmen in the video is a prick!!!

Quote from: LOsborne on June 15, 2010, 07:24:46 PM
Congressman.... prick.... that's pretty redundant, Henry. If you want to get into "he did it first" and "he did it worst" we can always throw in Mark Foley and Larry Craig. Once someone is identified as a congressman, the smart move is NOT to co-sign a loan for him. Move on.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2010, 05:09:46 PM
no sour grapes at all, I never voted for or against this prick, I never, even heard of him until this video..., I simply was seeing if you was capable of being unbiased.....and I found my answer. ;)

Quote from: LOsborne on June 15, 2010, 07:24:46 PM
Congressman.... prick.... that's pretty redundant, Henry. If you want to get into "he did it first" and "he did it worst" we can always throw in Mark Foley and Larry Craig. Once someone is identified as a congressman, the smart move is NOT to co-sign a loan for him. Move on.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 16, 2010, 08:21:27 AM
Lolly, I posted a video showing this congressman being a prick to a kid reporter....maybe the kid is a punk, but the fact was this congressman, elected by the people made an ass of himself .... ON VIDEO......this is not about Foley, Craig or anyone else.....and immediately, those of you on the left HAD  to defend him, instead of just admitting that he should for ALL practical purposes be arrested for assault.....it is not about WHO was first at being a prick or who is a bigger prick.....it is about ONE particular congressman who has been Identified AS A PRICK.....but, because of the unpartisan BS, there are certain individuals, simply cannot admit this guy did anything wrong......which supports my beliefs that these very people have and will continue to be biased with anything their party does, be it right or wrong.

and dan, for the most part I agree, they ALL suck, or at least the vast majority of them do....don't act like democrats are NOT in bed with BIG Corp either...........Obama is the number one recipient of cast by BP.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 16, 2010, 08:21:27 AM
Lolly, I posted a video showing this congressman being a prick to a kid reporter....

Quote...supports my beliefs that these very people have and will continue to be biased with anything their party does, be it right or wrong.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 11:11:32 AM
I don't believe, but unfortunatly way too many people DID back in 2006....and you are so wrong about the next election and like I have said, TIME will tell the truth!!!..and one thing I am sure of, there will NOT be as many democrats in office this fall... ;)

and please don't fall for the "racism" bullshit...THAT is clearly the liberals plan to do, is make this a race issue in 2010....

THEY SUCK!! and suck BAD!!......

THAT feel's so goood to say... :yes:  (becasue it is TRUE)

Quote from: LOsborne on June 16, 2010, 06:03:20 PM
Henry, he's a congressman. Being a prick is part of the job description.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 17, 2010, 01:01:17 PM
THAT is a cop out....I think the dude was drunk and paranoid........"whooooo urrrr yoooooo!....whooooo urrrr yoooooo!".....play the video back and listen to him......it's kind of funny........but being THAT rude and aggresive is NOT cool, by anyone, politician or whoever.

Quote from: me on June 22, 2010, 04:46:43 AM
Father, must I work to eat?

By: Unknown

"Father, must I work to eat?"
"Oh, no! My lucky Son!
We're living now on Easy Street,
On dough from Washington!

We've turned it all to Uncle Sam -
Now don't get exercised! -
No one has to worry none:
We've All been subsidized!"

"But if Uncle treats us all so well,
And feeds us Milk and Honey,
Please tell me, Father, Where, oh Where,
He's going to get the money?"

"Don't worry, Son, There ain't a hitch
In this here Noble Plan!
He simply Soaks the Filthy Rich,
And Helps the Common Man!"

"But Father, won't there come a time –
If we take All their cash –
When They'll be left without a dime!
-And things will go to smash?"

"My faith in you is sinking, Son –
You nosy little brat!
You do too damn much thinking, Boy,
To be a Democrat!"

Quote from: me on June 22, 2010, 04:46:43 AM
Father, must I work to eat?

By: Unknown

"Father, must I work to eat?"
"Oh, no! My lucky Son!
We're living now on Easy Street,
On dough from Washington!

We've turned it all to Uncle Sam -
Now don't get exercised! -
No one has to worry none:
We've All been subsidized!"

"But if Uncle treats us all so well,
And feeds us Milk and Honey,
Please tell me, Father, Where, oh Where,
He's going to get the money?"

"Don't worry, Son, There ain't a hitch
In this here Noble Plan!
He simply Soaks the Filthy Rich,
And Helps the Common Man!"

"But Father, won't there come a time –
If we take All their cash –
When They'll be left without a dime!
-And things will go to smash?"

"My faith in you is sinking, Son –
You nosy little brat!
You do too damn much thinking, Boy,
To be a Democrat!"

Quote from: The Troll on July 08, 2010, 09:04:07 AM
  When I grow up, I don't want public paid education.

When I grow up, I don't want a safty net, I don't want Social Security.

  When I grow up and get old and don't have any money, I don't want Medicare.

  When I grow up and to poor to buy drugs for my heath,  I don't want help from my goverment to buy drugs.

  When I grow up, I don't want to pay taxes, that's my money.  Let private business build roads, schools, bridges and charge tolls on them.

  When I grow up, I want to be a Republican and cry because as a country we don't have anything but a whole lot of rich people at the top.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
Rangel charged with multiple ethics violations...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38367462/ns/politics-capitol_hill/


....is anyone REALLY surprised?.... :confused: :rolleyes: :no:

Quote from: Palehorse on July 23, 2010, 02:51:13 PM
Come on Hank - - - MSNBC? Really?  :razz:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2010, 11:46:41 PM
Rangel charged with multiple ethics violations...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38367462/ns/politics-capitol_hill/


....is anyone REALLY surprised?.... :confused: :rolleyes: :no:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 03, 2010, 12:32:54 PM
Uh, those (Reagans) was NOT press conferences.... ;)

Quote from: Palehorse on August 03, 2010, 12:37:03 PM
And here's your hero aboard a US Ship holding his mission accomplished press conference. . .

(http://www.newsgroper.com/files/post_images/mission_accomplished.jpg)

Quote from: The Troll on August 03, 2010, 01:51:26 PM
  Just beautiful, absolutly beautiful.  :knife:  :rotfl:   :rotfl:  :rotfl:   :rotfl:

Quote from: Palehorse on August 03, 2010, 02:02:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/Of368QdosR0

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 03, 2010, 11:49:37 AM
If George W. Bush had been the first President to need a TelePrompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how  inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If George W. Bush had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take Laura Bush to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had reduced your retirement plan's holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought this embarrassingly narcissistic and tacky?

If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the nonexistent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a  minor slip?

If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had stated that there were 57 states in the United States , would you have said that he is clueless.
 
If George W. Bush would have flown all the way to Denmark to make a five minute speech about how the Olympics would benefit him walking out his front door in Texas , would you have thought he was a self important, conceited, egotistical jerk.
 
If George W. Bush had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, would you have winced in embarrassment?

If George W. Bush had misspelled the word "advice" would you have hammered him for it for years like Dan Quayle and potatoes as proof of what a dunce he is?

If George W. Bush had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

If George W. Bush's administration had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown   Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

If George W. Bush had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in  New Orleans, would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

If George W. Bush had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America , would you have approved.

If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 15 months -- so you'll have two years and nine months to come up with an answer.

QuoteThanks for forwarding this to me. President Obama has made a few blunders during his first few months in office, but I understand that for a person who makes as many statements as he does, it is not surprising that he sometimes stumbles.  I'd rather not respond to you in a tit for tat manner, but I think it is important to note that President Bush's 8 years in office were replete with mistakes and bad policies, all of which plunged our nation deeper into debt, turned allies away and laid the ground work for one of the most severe financial crises in history.  That is why Americans overwhelmingly voted for change.

Conservatives have derided the President of allegedly bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia.  The White House says that it was not a bow, but whether it was or was not, how did you react when George Bush actually kissed the Saudi King?  Check this out: http://tinyurl.com/pmc98x Were you upset?  Did you protest?

You note that President Obama made a mistake when speaking Spanish.  It appears that he was making a joke.  Nevertheless, how did you react when President Bush addressed Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi in Spanish.  You will note that Italians do not speak Spanish. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1O9txBU9FE

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/science/earth/10notebook.html?ref=world

President Obama has made a few gaffes but during his 8 years in office, President Bush misspoke hundreds of time.

Here is a compilation: http://www.slate.com/id/76886/

For example:  "John Thune has got a common-sense vision for good forest policy. I look forward to working with him in the United Nations Senate to preserve these national heritages."

Did you send out emails to your friends every time President Bush said something silly?

You note that President Obama uses a teleprompter.  I am sure you know that George Bush used a teleprompter.  Oh yeah, Ronald Reagan also used a teleprompter.  Check out the links: http://tinyurl.com/mlqz7h and http://tinyurl.com/r43fxj

Your email notes that more people were killed by floods in the Midwest than died as a result of Hurricane Katrina.  I looked it up and it just is not true.  Of the many storms in the Midwest in 2009, the highest death toll thus far is 36 confirmed deaths. http://prod.newsday.com/flash-flood-warning-issued-for-louisville-area-1.1347443

In comparison, there were 1,836 confirmed deaths caused by Hurricane Katrina.
http://www.dhh.louisiana.gov/offices/page.asp?ID=192&Detail=5248


President Obama inherited an economy in disarray and since taking office, has aimed to drastically revamp our nation's health care system and our crumbling infrastructure.  I was curious to see how the national debt changed during the Bush years and according to PolitiFact.com, "When Bush took office; the national debt was $5.73 trillion. When he left, it was $10.7 trillion." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jan/22/rahm-emanuel/5-trillion-added-national-debt-under-bush/

Did you know that billions of dollars were wasted during the Bush administration, particularly in massive contracts given out to private contractors that operate in Iraq and Afghanistan:  According to one commission set up to investigate the use of private contractors, "billions of dollars of that amount ended up wasted due to poorly defined work orders, inadequate oversight and contractor inefficiencies. In one example, defense auditors challenged KBR after it billed the government for $100 million in costs for private security even though the contract prohibited the use of for-hire guards." http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-06-08-report-dod-spending_N.htm

I hope that we are always critical of those we elect, but I see that you are not being consistent in your criticism.  Your complaints about President Obama are ironic, given the fact that President Bush did in fact make so many of the same mistakes and made them much more often.  Have you heard that expression?  People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Anyhow, I hope this email receives you in good health and I look forward to talking to you soon.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 03, 2010, 08:13:16 PM
http://mediamattersaction.org/emailchecker/200909170030

Posting every lil' e-mail you get because you want to believe them so that you can say that you think that "there's a lot of truth to them" makes you look silly. You really should research them a little before you fall for them. Jjust sayin' ;D

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 03, 2010, 08:28:59 PM
What?

Did you just get back from the out-field? :biggrin:

To answer your question; Disagreeing with policies by itself doesn't have anything to do with race. Especially when someone can articulate exactly which policy it is that they disagree with and logically support why. When someone hates everything someone does, even before they do it, then obviously something else is at play.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 03, 2010, 08:28:59 PM
What?

Did you just get back from the out-field? :biggrin:

To answer your question; Disagreeing with policies by itself doesn't have anything to do with race. Especially when someone can articulate exactly which policy it is that they disagree with and logically support why. When someone hates everything someone does, even before they do it, then obviously something else is at play.

Quote from: me on August 03, 2010, 08:54:42 PM
I told you what I disagreed with and why and you just don't choose to accept it or agree with me and it still has nothing to do with the man or the color he is.  You could say that all day and it still would not be right.  The difference being those who disagree are called names, put down, called stupid, and hate mongers and that is just plain wrong.  The media started that bull crap and everyone is picking up on it who watches those channels and running with it and you can't say you thought of it all by yourself because simple fact is if the idea hadn't been planted this BS never would have started.  Even during the campaign you were being told anyone who didn't vote for Obama just didn't want a black man as president and you know it.  You were also told that blacks who didn't vote for Obama were a discredit to their race.  How does that even make sense?  Why would everyone agree when it's never happened before?  Wouldn't you find that more than a little strange if everyone did agree?  Wouldn't that make us all sheeple?

Quote from: The Troll on August 03, 2010, 08:57:04 PM
  Sandy you forgot who your dealing with.  Now will I be accused of calling names if I say, Republican.  One of the latest polls say that of the Republicans polled on the approval rating of the  possible Republican presidential candidates.  Sara Palin got a 70% approval rating.

  Does that tell you about the mental capability of the Republican Voters.

Quote from: me on August 03, 2010, 09:00:12 PM
Tells me that Dems are going to start ramping up with their cracks and attacks on her.  You just don't want a woman president and you're a woman hater.

Quote from: me on August 03, 2010, 08:54:42 PM
I told you what I disagreed with and why and you just don't choose to accept it or agree with me and it still has nothing to do with the man or the color he is.  You could say that all day and it still would not be right.  The difference being those who disagree are called names, put down, called stupid, and hate mongers and that is just plain wrong.  The media started that bull crap and everyone is picking up on it who watches those channels and running with it and you can't say you thought of it all by yourself because simple fact is if the idea hadn't been planted this BS never would have started.  Even during the campaign you were being told anyone who didn't vote for Obama just didn't want a black man as president and you know it.  You were also told that blacks who didn't vote for Obama were a discredit to their race.  How does that even make sense?  Why would everyone agree when it's never happened before?  Wouldn't you find that more than a little strange if everyone did agree?  Wouldn't that make us all sheeple?

Quote from: me on August 03, 2010, 09:00:12 PM
Tells me that Dems are going to start ramping up with their cracks and attacks on her.  You just don't want a woman president and you're a woman hater. 

Quote from: The Troll on August 03, 2010, 08:57:04 PM
  Sandy you forgot who your dealing with.  Now will I be accused of calling names if I say, Republican.  One of the latest polls say that of the Republicans polled on the approval rating of the  possible Republican presidential candidates.  Sara Palin got a 70% approval rating.

  Does that tell you about the mental capability of the Republican Voters.

Quote from: Palehorse on August 03, 2010, 08:59:46 PM
SOSDD- asked answered 10,000 time already. . . That you guys keep running those lies up the flag pole, even when they are proven to be downright lies, says something. That you were doing it even before the elections says something else.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 03, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
I honestly have been wondering what has happened to the Republican party. There doesn't seem to be a standard for character or intellect.

There MUST be intelligent conservatives out there, but where are they hiding?

Quote from: me on August 03, 2010, 09:00:12 PM
Tells me that Dems are going to start ramping up with their cracks and attacks on her.  You just don't want a woman president and you're a woman hater. 

Quote from: me on August 03, 2010, 09:14:33 PM
He said what his policies were going to be before he was elected so I already knew what I disagreed with. You agreed with them and voted for him I didn't agree and didn't vote for him.  Isn't that the way things are supposed to work?  I didn't particularly like the other choice but I picked what I felt was the lesser of two evils not based on color in any way.  Sorry to burst your bubble there but I believe I asserted my freedom of choice there and nothing more.

Quote from: me on August 03, 2010, 09:14:33 PM
He said what his policies were going to be before he was elected so I already knew what I disagreed with. You agreed with them and voted for him I didn't agree and didn't vote for him.  Isn't that the way things are supposed to work?  I didn't particularly like the other choice but I picked what I felt was the lesser of two evils not based on color in any way.  Sorry to burst your bubble there but I believe I asserted my freedom of choice there and nothing more.   

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 03, 2010, 09:17:40 PM
I just realized that you're talking about Palin. Palin can't perform the duties of the position, because she's not very bright. Which she has proven, time and time again. You can't refute that and I'd challenge you to provide anything that indicates that she is capable. IMO the fact the Republicans ran her at all is a sexist statement. I believe that they may have thought that women are so shallow that we'd be easily swayed to vote for a ticket w/a female. Why they didn't go for a thinking female is beyond me. Perhaps the thinking females wouldn't allow themselves to be exploited or perhaps the Republicans consider intellectual women to be a threat.

There are intelligent Republican women that I would consider. Condoleezza Rice is one. Of course the Republicans would never run her...she's a double-whammy.

Quote from: Palehorse on August 03, 2010, 09:18:44 PM
Keep telling yourself that and maybe you'll actually believe it yourself at some point. In the meantime, it doesn't mean a damned thing to me one way or another. You've already hung your sheet on the line and everyone has seen it. For me, it is enough that you have come out of the closet, even if you yourself continue to deny it.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 03, 2010, 09:33:29 PM
No more normal that someone who disagrees with every policy or anything that the current administration does.

Quote from: me on August 03, 2010, 10:22:26 PM
You mean like ya'll did with Bush?  And don't even come back with "that was different".   In case you never noticed I haven't disagreed with everything Obama has tried to do just health care mainly and taking over companies.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 03, 2010, 09:12:07 PM
I honestly have been wondering what has happened to the Republican party. There doesn't seem to be a standard for character or intellect.

There MUST be intelligent conservatives out there, but where are they hiding?

Quote from: me on August 04, 2010, 12:05:06 AM
Ya'll just don't get it do ya?

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 04, 2010, 12:07:15 AM
show me ONE intelligent democrat and one honest one...then we will talk.....

November, that is when you will see some intelligence returning to washington...

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 04, 2010, 06:55:17 AM
I'm still waiting for "me" to share one policy that she agrees with.

Intelligent Democrats? Obama, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University. You'd be hard pressed to prove that he's dishonest. You can try it, but spin, innuendo and BS isn't accepted.

Then, please share w/me one Republican who is intelligent and honest.

Quote from: me on August 04, 2010, 08:09:05 AM
Well, at least he say's he graduated magna cum laude....he won't let the college release his records remember....

I agreed with his transparency policy until he reneged on it with all the closed door meetings.

Quote from: The Troll on August 04, 2010, 08:29:34 AM
  As far as I am concerned, Obama didn't make any agreement to anyone who didn't vote for him.  You didn't vote for him, you don't have a bitch.

  I didn't believe one damn thing George W., Prick Cheney and the rest of the Republican party told me and still today I don't believe a damn thing they have to say.   And I got just what I expected.  A good screwing.  Tho I never thought it would be as bad as it was. :icon_evil: :icon_twisted: :yes:

Quote from: me on August 04, 2010, 11:27:15 AM
Oh, then I guess he let those of you who voted for him have a peek at his college transcripts and be privy to the closed door meetings.

Quote from: The Troll on August 04, 2010, 08:29:34 AM
  As far as I am concerned, Obama didn't make any agreement to anyone who didn't vote for him.  You didn't vote for him, you don't have a bitch.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 04, 2010, 12:21:45 PM
Well since magna cum laude requires a GPA of at least a 3.740 at Harvard and his major was law, I'm not sure why you need his transcripts.

What was Dubby's class standing? Surely he was transparent w/his academic acheivements, otherwise yoy wouldn't be so insistant that Obama bare his soul.

Http://www.registrar.fas.harvard.edu/fasro/ugrad/honors.jsp?cat=ugrad&subcat=registration

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 04, 2010, 12:19:34 PM
I'm not bitchin at Obama, I am more pissed at the folks who voted him into this postion to take our country FURTHER down the road of destruction....those who believed that he was capable of leading us into prosperity...

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 04, 2010, 12:46:36 PM
Seriously, do I have to hold your hand and read it for you too. I can't post links from my phone. I tried typing it in.

Try this:

Go to Google.

Type in: Magna Cum Laude requirements Harvard. Select the link that says " Harvard University FAS Registrar's..."

Read. That's what his GPA would need to be to receive that academic honor.

Then try: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/19/obama-left-mark-hls-days/

If that doesn't work Google: Harvard Crimson Obama left mark on HLS.

Now, Bush's info?

I'm still waiting for Obama's policies you agree with too.

Quote from: me on August 04, 2010, 08:09:05 AM
Well, at least he say's he graduated magna cum laude....he won't let the college release his records remember....

I agreed with his transparency policy until he reneged on it with all the closed door meetings.

Quote from: LOsborne on August 04, 2010, 07:32:21 PM
Sandy's first link:

http://www.registrar.fas.harvard.edu/fasro/ugrad/honors.jsp?cat=ugrad&subcat=registration

Sandy's second link:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2007/1/19/obama-left-mark-on-hls-days/

Now stop your whining and read the articles.

Quote from: LOsborne on August 04, 2010, 07:54:15 PM
I was not providing proof. I was demonstrating how easy it is to access the links Sandy provided, but could not get to post properly from her cell phone.

You seemed to be having difficulty.

Quote from: me on August 04, 2010, 07:51:44 PM
The first link just says what is required and the second is only a news story.  Like you're forever telling HH and me, that is not proof.   

Quote from: LOsborne on August 04, 2010, 07:54:15 PM
I was not providing proof. I was demonstrating how easy it is to access the links Sandy provided, but could not get to post properly from her cell phone.

You seemed to be having difficulty.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 04, 2010, 09:54:50 PM
It's a news story from the Harvard School Newspaper. It's a reliable source.  When I tell you and HH that because you try to use e-mails and rightwing propaganda to support your far out ideas not legitimate news stories.

Now, two things that I'm waiting on.

What was Dubby's class standing?

What policy is it that you agree with?

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 04, 2010, 09:58:30 PM
She wasn't having trouble, she was attempting to delay the inevitable truth by playing dumb. I even told her how to Google the information I posted and we all know how savvy she is at googling. :rolleyes:

Quote from: me on August 04, 2010, 10:03:29 PM
http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=16915.msg370404#msg370404

What does it matter what Bush's standing was at this point he is no longer president...Obama is.  Why could you crack on Bush and say he was a dummy and no one can question Obama's credentials? 

Quote from: me on August 04, 2010, 10:06:11 PM
Um, it was just a newspaper article which is what I thought it was and a link to say what was required which is also what I figured.  Proved nothing, absolutely nothing.  You seem to forget anything can be said in a newspaper article and it is far from proof positive and you know it.

Quote from: me on August 04, 2010, 10:10:27 PM
http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?topic=16915.msg370404#msg370404

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 04, 2010, 10:32:27 PM
So, we're back to you not liking ANY of his policies. :biggrin: Just like I said. :yes:

Quote from: me on August 04, 2010, 07:51:44 PM
The first link just says what is required and the second is only a news story.  Like you're forever telling HH and me, that is not proof.   

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 04, 2010, 09:58:30 PM
She wasn't having trouble, she was attempting to delay the inevitable truth by playing dumb. 

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 08:20:12 AM
How many times have you not accepted a news story as proof when it was on the other side?   

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 01:42:35 AM
I believe I was given ample reason to change my mind.  You said one thing I agreed with and that was one thing that I agreed with he just didn't do it.  :razz:

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 04, 2010, 06:55:17 AM
I'm still waiting for "me" to share one policy that she agrees with.

Intelligent Democrats? Obama, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University. You'd be hard pressed to prove that he's dishonest. You can try it, but spin, innuendo and BS isn't accepted.

Then, please share w/me one Republican who is intelligent and honest.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 05, 2010, 01:32:05 PM
Your're back in out field, I see ;D

I didn't say or imply anything of the sort.

I answered your question and supplied sources to back it up. I also asked why certain aspects of Obama's education is so important to you, when you obviously didn't hold Dubby to the same standard.

You can vote for who you want to. You can agree with suport what you want to. If I had said or implied anything, then it would have been along the lines of how I'd find it refreshing if you backed up those opinions  with facts. Just once.

QuoteNow just to make sure you don't miss what I want answered here.....Should I have voted for or agree with policies just because of the race or gender of the president if I don't honestly believe in their agenda?

Quote from: followsthewolf on August 05, 2010, 01:45:50 PM
:coffee:

Gonna be a while.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 05, 2010, 03:15:18 PM
I did answer your question, most recently a few pages back, but that wasn't the first time. In fact, I think maybe we've all tried.

You can leaf back through and find it...it was along the lines of being able to articulate and support your decisions and opinions w/facts, because to do otherwise makes someone seem as if they're making those choices based on superficial reasons. Of course they can still make the choices/decisions, without facts, it's a free country, but they look a whole lot less suspicious/silly and garner more respect if they can support their positions.

QuoteQuote from: Sandy Eggo on Today at 03:15:18 PM

    I did answer your question, most recently a few pages back, but that wasn't the first time. In fact, I think maybe we've all tried.

    You can leaf back through and find it...it was along the lines of being able to articulate and support your decisions and opinions w/facts, because to do otherwise makes someone seem as if they're making those choices based on superficial reasons. Of course they can still make the choices/decisions, without facts, it's a free country, but they look a whole lot less suspicious/silly and garner more respect if they can support their positions.

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 04:22:59 PM
So by that you're saying everyone in the country who didn't vote for Obama was wrong and are racists and/or a discredit to their race.  Or in other words, everyone should have voted for Obama because he is 100% right?  Sorry but that doesn't even make sense and is very illogical.

Obama is a liberal progressive, I do not believe in liberal progressive ideas and policies, therefore I would have voted against whoever ran that had those ideologies it just happened it was Obama who ran and was elected.  Do I have to automatically change my ideas and beliefs to his now?  Wouldn't that be taking away my freedom of choice to make my decision based on what I believe?  The facts you presented are skewed in your favor just as what I believe are skewed in mine and it is my choice to believe mine are just as valid as yours and your choice to believe yours are valid.  That is how things work and are supposed to work.  If he is so right why are people who voted for him suddenly against what he's doing?  Why didn't all blacks vote for him and why are they suddenly a discredit to their race if they disagree with him?  Not everyone who disagrees with him is an uneducated redneck either there are some highly educated people who disagree with his policies so why are they labeled as stupid now?  Think Sandy, think. How many different ways do I have to put these thoughts to get it through your head?

QuoteQuote from: Sandy Eggo on Today at 03:15:18 PM

        I did answer your question, most recently a few pages back, but that wasn't the first time. In fact, I think maybe we've all tried.

        You can leaf back through and find it...it was along the lines of being able to articulate and support your decisions and opinions w/facts, because to do otherwise makes someone seem as if they're making those choices based on superficial reasons. Of course they can still make the choices/decisions, without facts, it's a free country, but they look a whole lot less suspicious/silly and garner more respect if they can support their positions.

QuoteQuote from: me on Today at 04:22:59 PM

    So by that you're saying everyone in the country who didn't vote for Obama was wrong and are racists and/or a discredit to their race.  Or in other words, everyone should have voted for Obama because he is 100% right?  Sorry but that doesn't even make sense and is very illogical.

   Obama is a liberal progressive, I do not believe in liberal progressive ideas and policies, therefore I would have voted against whoever ran that had those ideologies it just happened it was Obama who ran and was elected.  Do I have to automatically change my ideas and beliefs to his now?  Wouldn't that be taking away my freedom of choice to make my decision based on what I believe?  The facts you presented are skewed in your favor just as what I believe are skewed in mine and it is my choice to believe mine are just as valid as yours and your choice to believe yours are valid.  That is how things work and are supposed to work.  If he is so right why are people who voted for him suddenly against what he's doing?  Why didn't all blacks vote for him and why are they suddenly a discredit to their race if they disagree with him?  Not everyone who disagrees with him is an uneducated redneck either there are some highly educated people who disagree with his policies so why are they labeled as stupid now?  Think Sandy, think. How many different ways do I have to put these thoughts to get it through your head?

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 04:22:59 PM
. . .

Obama is a liberal progressive, I do not believe in liberal progressive ideas and policies, therefore I would have voted against whoever ran that had those ideologies it just happened it was Obama who ran and was elected. . .

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
So are you saying that I should have voted for Obama because he graduated with honors even though he campaigned on things I didn't agree with or are you saying I should have voted for him because he is black and graduated with honors? 
I would not have voted for Hillary either and when it comes down to it they're both Liberal Progressives which I happen to disagree with so why does that make a difference just because it happened to be Obama who ran?  I always thought you voted for whoever came the closest to your view of things not just because they happen to be one gender or race or another.  You just can't seem to get a grip on the fact that people voted for who they felt would do the better job based on how they felt about their campaign and they disagree with policies because they don't like the policy not because of the race of the person who happens to be president.  All this crying racist, bigot, hate monger is intended to scare us into submitting and causing problems that don't, or didn't, exist and it is creating an air of malcontent that hasn't done anything productive in the least.  Greece, (cradle to grave entitlements), and the UK, (government health care),  have had what Obama wants for us for years and they are failing so what makes you think it will be any different here?  The more given the more that is wanted and the more it costs so where is all that money going to come from?  You may be comfortable with where you're at in life at the moment but what about your children and grandchildren are they going to have the same opportunities or are they going to be slaving to pay off a huge debt brought on by all of these entitlements and unable to get ahead? 

Now just to make sure you don't miss what I want answered here.....Should I have voted for or agree with policies just because of the race or gender of the president if I don't honestly believe in their agenda?

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 05, 2010, 05:30:31 PM
Well, bless their hearts. ;D

You're right me, that wouldn't be logical, so it's a good thing that I didn't say that. :no:

I also don't find it very logical that you and your lil' buddy would automatically dismiss every policy or a candidate based on your superficial label. Even IF that were a valid label (And I'm not saying it is) isn't it possible that he could have a good idea or policy? Of course that wouldn't matter to you two and you'd never admit it b/c you've already decided that's impossible.

Maybe you two should stop projecting and give thinking a try.

Quote from: Palehorse on August 05, 2010, 05:39:05 PM
Validating the thought that you would cut your nose off to spite your face. . .

I've voted for a lot of candidates that held ideologies I disagreed with, but their stated goals seemed to me to be the ones that were better for the country and its citizens as a whole; especially when compared to those of the candidates opposing them.

What you are saying is that if a candidate aligns him or her self with a cause or ideal that you disagree with, (say for instance the democratic platform), you automatically exclude them even if some of the things they want to do are the right things for the country and its people as a whole and you know it!

You are listening to the propagandists and accepting their tripe as gospel, instead of exercising a LITTLE initiative and objectively investigating the issues and stated goals. Exactly why this country is where it is today!

Quote from: The Troll on August 05, 2010, 05:50:42 PM
  Let's look at what you said, reading between the lines.  You couldn't vote for Obama because he a Socialist, one step above a Communist.  A Liberal, which is one step above a welfare queen.

  You couldn't vote for Hillary, even she is like *John Wayne toilet paper, because she just like Obama, but she a woman. 

  Instead you voted for the old thief from Arizona, John McCain and one of the most intelligent women in the world, Sara Pailn.   With that kind of reasoning, I want you to replace Luger and this state won't skip a beat.  Doing Nothing.

  *John Wayne toilet paper.  It's rough, it's tough and it won't take shit off of anyone.  I know what it is.  Ford bought it all of the time and put it in their restrooms.

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 06:04:01 PM
I do not and did not think what he was proposing was/is in the best interest of our country.  I would feel the same if it has been Hillary in office or whom ever.  Not agreeing with the agenda and policies means you don't think what they are wanting to do/doing is in the best interest of the country.  In looking at the goals you need to access how they intend to get there and whether you think it will work the way they say it will.  I don't happen to think he can attain what he is saying are his goals the way he is wanting to do it. I listened to both sides and made the choice on my own based on what was presented to me just like a lot of other people did.  Like I said, the way you are putting what you are saying makes it appear that you think the country should have been 100% for Obama and that just say's, to me, that you think everyone should see things and think the way you do or they're wrong and stupid which is the same thing everyone in the opposing position is saying and the mainstream media is pushing it to the max.  Does that mean "you" can't think independently or reason?  Like I have said before, remove yourself from all of it and look at things as though you are just an observer and see who is doing the name calling and making vicious verbal attacks at people who disagree.  That smacks of bullying to me and if you have to bully someone into believing as you do you have accomplished nothing but having a lot of actual sheeple who are afraid to speak out against what they believe in for fear of being attacked.  I will not be bullied, sorry.

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 06:04:01 PM
I do not and did not think what he was proposing was/is in the best interest of our country.  I would feel the same if it has been Hillary in office or whom ever.  Not agreeing with the agenda and policies means you don't think what they are wanting to do/doing is in the best interest of the country.  In looking at the goals you need to access how they intend to get there and whether you think it will work the way they say it will.  I don't happen to think he can attain what he is saying are his goals the way he is wanting to do it. I listened to both sides and made the choice on my own based on what was presented to me just like a lot of other people did.  Like I said, the way you are putting what you are saying makes it appear that you think the country should have been 100% for Obama and that just say's, to me, that you think everyone should see things and think the way you do or they're wrong and stupid which is the same thing everyone in the opposing position is saying and the mainstream media is pushing it to the max.  Does that mean "you" can't think independently or reason?  Like I have said before, remove yourself from all of it and look at things as though you are just an observer and see who is doing the name calling and making vicious verbal attacks at people who disagree.  That smacks of bullying to me and if you have to bully someone into believing as you do you have accomplished nothing but having a lot of actual sheeple who are afraid to speak out against what they believe in for fear of being attacked.  I will not be bullied, sorry.

Quote from: Palehorse on August 05, 2010, 06:26:25 PM
:blah:
Nothing of substance other than puffery in that.

I suppose to you the majority vote means nothing and we should all just do whatever it is your idols say. Thats just what your republican representation in Washington is thinking and doing too!

At least I let Bush - Shamey screw up and lie before I started in on them, but then again its do as you say not as you do eh? :rolleyes:

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 08:58:52 PM
Was I supposed to like it just because the majority might have liked it?  Wouldn't that make me a person who just goes along with the crowd instead of thinking for myself?  If I don't agree with the message why vote for the messenger just because you and some others did?  How is that puffery?  Does that mean you just voted for him because the majority did?

Quote from: Palehorse on August 05, 2010, 09:02:55 PM
Keep twisting that underwear. . . pretty soon you'll have a Bimini Twist in them!  :biggrin:

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 09:09:42 PM
I am not the one doing the twisting here.  Am I supposed to like something/someone and vote for it/them just because of a perception that the majority likes it/them?  What is that called if not just blindly following the crowd?

Quote from: Palehorse on August 05, 2010, 09:19:08 PM
So I guess accepting things and being supportive of the POTUS out of a sense of duty and patriotism is out of the question then, no matter what? No one is saying you had to vote for him or anything like it, but now its just sounding like sour grapes. . .REAL sour grapes. Especially since in your eyes he can do NOTHING right. . . :rolleyes:

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 09:45:03 PM
Why should I support or accept something I don't agree with?  If I had agreed with his platform I would have voted for him.  Doing that would be against my freedom to chose and have my own opinion any way you look at it.

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 08:58:52 PM
Was I supposed to like it just because the majority might have liked it?  Wouldn't that make me a person who just goes along with the crowd instead of thinking for myself?  If I don't agree with the message why vote for the messenger just because you and some others did?  How is that puffery?  Does that mean you just voted for him because the majority did?

Quote from: Palehorse on August 05, 2010, 10:06:05 PM
If I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand.

That is another part of what is wrong with this country, and why our congressional representatives now believe they are larger than we are. They know all they have to do is feed the idols the words and propaganda, and the sheep will bleat into line. It's nothing more than the old divide and conquer scheme, but it keeps working on a lot of people.

Then once they get back into power, its back to business as usual and twisting the facts to make the sheep believe the previous administration is to blame for all of their obstructionist politics. . .

From the sound of it there are a pack of you too. So just toe the line and practice your goose stepping. . . you will need it.

Quote from: me on August 05, 2010, 10:53:22 PM
In case you didn't notice they have been mostly Dems for the last 2 1/2yrs.

Quote from: Palehorse on August 05, 2010, 10:06:05 PM
Then once they get back into power, its back to business as usual and twisting the facts to make the sheep believe the previous administration is to blame for all of their obstructionist politics. . .

Quote from: Palehorse on August 06, 2010, 09:52:56 AM
Somehow I knew that would be your response. . . As if this economy, the job situation, and the financial district somehow magically got this way in the last 2 years. . . My but you guys are gullible!  :spooked:

Quote from: Palehorse on August 06, 2010, 09:52:56 AM
Somehow I knew that would be your response. . . As if this economy, the job situation, and the financial district somehow magically got this way in the last 2 years. . . My but you guys are gullible!  :spooked:

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 06, 2010, 11:41:53 AM
1. I don't see any Repubs hot to work on overhauling our immigration policy before November. Don't suppose they're concerned about the fall out in November do you? :think:

2. Time and time again it's been said, that although people are free to have opinions, not all opinions are valid. You can think all day long, but at then end of the day only those opinions which are supported by facts are worth anything.

3. It's not "links", but rather suppoerting documentation which happen to be in the form of links which would be nice.  We can't debate your opinion. Especially if you're not willing to consider the facts.

Quote from: me on August 06, 2010, 10:12:33 AM
Congress has been a dem majority for 4-1/2yrs now and IIRC you or Sandy said that congress actually controls things sooooo........

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 06, 2010, 10:27:03 AM
and somehow I knew that would be your response....and NO, the economy, the job situation, and the financial district did not somehow magically get this way in the last 2 years...but, I have NOT seen anything being done over the last four years to improve this situation, as a mater of fact they are WORSE....unemployment is STILL near 10%....and we have only in severly increased our National debt to the point we, (the US) is on the verge of being bankrupt....we are spending more and more and our government is getting MORE and MORE powerful....and YOU call ME gullible?

c'mon PH.....

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 06, 2010, 12:19:34 PM
Henry,

1. Who? On the federal level? I'm not talking about opinions re: the Arizona debacle. I'm talking about the immigration reform that Obama is pushing for. I don't see any Repubs encouraging movement on that.
If you do, who?

2. Then share some of the sources you've used to form your opinion. Saying that you use "common sense" to get your information is like saying you pull them from your @zz.

3. If you don't want to debate, why do you keep trying? You want us to respect your opinions based on the fact that they're yours, but then you're unwilling to accept someone else's opinion when it's supported by facts. That's the equivalent of sticking your head in the sand. But if you mean that, that you don't want to debate, say so and I'll only "talk" with you and consider your comments with the same weight of any casual converation - grain of salt.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 06, 2010, 12:38:45 PM
Please, with all due respect, take what I say with a grain of salt.....seriously.....I'm not out to change the world....I can assure you I am only taking what is said here with that same grain.

I am here to say what I think, .... I may occasionally post a link here and there....( I did that for ever here, and it didn't mean anything anyway)...if it makes you feel better to think I am pulling them out of my @ss, i'm okay with that....and If I don't get all excited about trusting your so called "facts"....that is okay too....and if you don't want to exchange with me on my ass pulling conversations..........NOT a problem....

you see, I tried to walk away from this joint, and for the life of me, I keep coming back......I for whatever reason, LIKE you guys!!!...and I like this means of letting out my frustrations....I pay MORE attention to the issues and topics, when I drop by here...

There was a time, not so long ago, I was getting all discombobulated (sic) with my thoughts and becoming very frustrated on here.....I was taking things WAY too seriously......I was getting upset if someone (who I truly liked) referred to me as a liar.....I was taking that to heart. 

I'm good now, I'm not out to win over any friendships or worry about hurting anyones feelings....this is who I am, ... it is not my nature to hurt anyones feelings, or to lie.....so, IF it get interpreted as such, there is not much I am going to do about it, and I am NOT going to worry about it...I still hope I keep some of my friendships that i have formed here, but things are what they are...

this has gone WAY too deep, but this is just the Hawk laying it all out there.....and that is they way I am going to do it from now on....

Quote from: Palehorse on August 06, 2010, 12:09:28 PM
Asked and answered a LONG time ago, but once again you just do not want to hear any of it.

Here's a hint: filibuster!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 06, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
You have 57 Senators...........we have 41...............THAT is a Majority.....any decent politician should be able to muster up THREE votes to get the 60 percent, unless they are being pricks....THREE....hell, we have more than three RINOS..

nearly everyone I know is conservative, and that is no lie...my work, kid's ball coaches, the hardware store, my barber, my family, my neighbors, by mechanic, just about EVERYONE, I know is ashamed of this POTUS...as a mater of fact, THIS is about the only place outside of CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, AND ABC...that is liberal.

that old saying keep your friends close but your enemies closer...THAT is my real reason for being here....

btw, did you know that 86% of ALL the federal income taxes are paid by the top 25% of the income earners?...and the top 1% of the wage earners pays for 39% of the federal income taxes?....and before the Bush Tax Cuts, they was only paying 37%...did you know that?....yeah, Bush CUT those tax rates for those guys and they ended up pay MORE of the total federal income tax collected.....maybe you need to read a little more about this stuff instead of listening to Rachel Maddow or MSNBC all the time.

But, Troll, God love ya, you make me laugh....you are a good dude with a great heart..... ;)

but listen to me the democrat have the majority, the democrat have the majority, the democrat have the majority....at least until NOVEMBER.... :biggrin:

Quote from: Olias on August 06, 2010, 03:47:43 PM
Warren Buffett ...

Warren Buffett, the third-richest man in the world, has criticised the US tax system for allowing him to pay a lower rate than his secretary and his cleaner.

Speaking at a $4,600-a-seat fundraiser in New York for Senator Hillary Clinton, Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52 billion (£26 billion), said: "The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you're in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent."

Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent. Mr Buffett told his audience, which included John Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, and Alan Patricof, the founder of the US branch of Apax Partners, that US government policy had accentuated a disparity of wealth that hurt the economy by stifling opportunity and motivation.

Quote from: Olias on August 06, 2010, 03:47:43 PM
Warren Buffett ...

Warren Buffett, the third-richest man in the world, has criticised the US tax system for allowing him to pay a lower rate than his secretary and his cleaner.

Speaking at a $4,600-a-seat fundraiser in New York for Senator Hillary Clinton, Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52 billion (£26 billion), said: "The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you're in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent."

Mr Buffett said that he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on the $46 million he made last year, without trying to avoid paying higher taxes, while his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent. Mr Buffett told his audience, which included John Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, and Alan Patricof, the founder of the US branch of Apax Partners, that US government policy had accentuated a disparity of wealth that hurt the economy by stifling opportunity and motivation.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 06, 2010, 03:57:29 PM
tsk, tsk, tsk olias......maybe you should practice what you preach...

Warren Buffet Lies from the Pulpit...

http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/politics/taxation/2813-Warren-Buffet-Lies-from-the-Pulpit.html (http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/politics/taxation/2813-Warren-Buffet-Lies-from-the-Pulpit.html)

Just WHO is the poor secrataries accountant?......you honestly beleive she is taxed at 30%?


and here is another tidbit of info... ;)

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/06/29/warren-buffets-faulty-tax-math/ (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2007/06/29/warren-buffets-faulty-tax-math/)

Quote from: me on August 06, 2010, 04:04:58 PM
A democrat at a fund raiser trying to stump a cause.......Gee, wonder why he would say that? 

Scroll to the bottom and you'll see the tax rate..... http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040tt.pdf

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 06, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
You have 57 Senators...........we have 41...............THAT is a Majority.....any decent politician should be able to muster up THREE votes to get the 60 percent, unless they are being pricks....THREE....hell, we have more than three RINOS..

nearly everyone I know is conservative, and that is no lie...my work, kid's ball coaches, the hardware store, my barber, my family, my neighbors, by mechanic, just about EVERYONE, I know is ashamed of this POTUS...as a mater of fact, THIS is about the only place outside of CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, AND ABC...that is liberal.

that old saying keep your friends close but your enemies closer...THAT is my real reason for being here....

btw, did you know that 86% of ALL the federal income taxes are paid by the top 25% of the income earners?...and the top 1% of the wage earners pays for 39% of the federal income taxes?....and before the Bush Tax Cuts, they was only paying 37%...did you know that?....yeah, Bush CUT those tax rates for those guys and they ended up pay MORE of the total federal income tax collected.....maybe you need to read a little more about this stuff instead of listening to Rachel Maddow or MSNBC all the time.

But, Troll, God love ya, you make me laugh....you are a good dude with a great heart..... ;)

but listen to me the democrat have the majority, the democrat have the majority, the democrat have the majority....at least until NOVEMBER.... :biggrin:

Quote from: The Troll on August 06, 2010, 04:34:56 PM
    Would you like to make a little bet on the Harry and Sharron election in Nevada.  :hohoho:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 06, 2010, 04:41:09 PM
Not for cash...I got too many kids to gamble my hard earned cash.....but, we can come up with a forum bet if you want...change our names or pictures to something the winner decides or something along those lines....

I really think Harry is toast come this election....

Quote from: The Troll on August 06, 2010, 04:58:05 PM
  If the people are watching how Sharron is acting and hear what she is saying, she makes Sara seem bright and awake.  I really don't think that there is that many people in Nevada that are totally brain dead.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 06, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
Olias, I'm afraid you wasted your time.

Henry - the only "truth" resides in his head or other darker places :spooked: Facts, be damned.

"me" - well math has never been her stong suit. ;D

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 06, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
Olias, I'm afraid you wasted your time.

Henry - the only "truth" resides in his head or other darker places :spooked: Facts, be damned.

"me" - well math has never been her stong suit. ;D

Quote from: Olias on August 06, 2010, 04:22:26 PM
Yeah ... yeah ... and what about taxable dividends, payroll taxes (not included in those tables) etc. etc.....

Quote from: The Troll on August 06, 2010, 04:34:56 PM
  Damn I really hate to admit it, but you were right on not 57 but 55 with two independents.  But getting 3 Republicans to vote with the Democrats is like getting them to draw blood.  I am beginning to mix up presidents and majorities.

  It isn't right, but in this day and age and the rules being screwed by the Republicans, it takes 6o votes to pass a bill.

  Most of my friend are Democrats and the few Republican friends, don't think what the Republicans are doing in Washington, is right either.  Saying no, with a 100%  no votes every time.  There is something wrong with this.  Only in the old communist party and Sadam's party did you get a 100% for what the leaders wanted.

  But come November you might be wrong.  Your little Teabagger Party and Sara are sure going down in the elections.  How many wins does Sara have.  Ha, Ha, Hee, Hee.

  Would you like to make a little bet on the Harry and Sharron election in Nevada.  :hohoho:

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 06, 2010, 04:37:07 PM
Olias, I'm afraid you wasted your time.

Henry - the only "truth" resides in his head or other darker places :spooked: Facts, be damned.

"me" - well math has never been her stong suit. ;D

Quote from: Olias on August 06, 2010, 05:15:02 PM
Not very good at geography either. Grapes DO grow in England.  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 06, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
... the top 1% of the wage earners pays for 39% of the federal income taxes?....and before the Bush Tax Cuts, they was only paying 37%...did you know that?....yeah, Bush CUT those tax rates for those guys and they ended up pay MORE of the total federal income tax collected....

Quote from: LOsborne on August 06, 2010, 07:35:33 PM
Driving home this evening, I was listening to "All Things Considered." This story caught my attention.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129034363

Key paragraphs:

Right after that vote, the Senate's No. 2 Democrat, Dick Durbin, recalled a conversation he said took place between Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Majority Leader Harry Reid.

"Sen. McConnell came to Sen. Reid several months ago and said, 'If you haven't noticed, it's over. You can stay as long as you want, but nothing's going to happen,' " Durbin said. "And so, anything we've had has been nothing short of a political miracle."

With 59 in the Democratic caucus, making political miracles happen comes down to finding one or two Republicans for the 60 votes needed to thwart GOP filibusters. And there have been plenty of those.

When Democrats tried bringing up a bill earlier this week with $10 billion to avoid teacher layoffs and $16 billion to help states pay for Medicaid, Republican leader McConnell objected.
....
Majority leader Reid mentioned such efforts a few days ago: "One of my senators came to me and said that they did some testing of all the issues, and surprisingly, child nutrition scored extremely high with focus groups in all the polling. We want to get that done."

By late afternoon Thursday, Arkansas Democrat Blanche Lincoln was thanking her Senate colleagues for "rising above partisan politics" and passing the bill she sponsored that boosts funding for school lunches.


Now that is disgusting. The political whores of both parties are so far removed from reality, they are screwing around with our livelihoods and our children for bragging rights! The repubs say, "Nah-nah-nah-nah, no matter what you try we're gonna filibuster." The dems say, "Oh yeah, we'll throw little kids lunches into the mix. Filibuster that!"

It's time to send these brats -- all of them! -- to the woodshed and let adults make the decision. Every issue isn't an excuse for the republicans to count coup on the democrats. And the democrats need to stop dragging the cripples and orphans into the political arena just to paint blood on the republicans.

I don't think there is thing that could happen in November that will make these damned parasites understand this country is going down for the third time. If it surfaces again, I hope will have no place for these worthless sycophants who say they are "serving" us, no matter what patriotic jingles they chant, or who they pray to.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 06, 2010, 07:57:06 PM
Exactly! I'm voting against every incumbent.

Quote from: LOsborne on August 06, 2010, 07:40:17 PM
Did it not occur to you, Henry, that their percentage went up because they are among the very few who STILL HAVE INCOME??  Don't tell me tax cuts will create jobs. The grotesque rise in unemployment came about during the decade of the Bush cuts.

Quote from: me on August 06, 2010, 08:29:51 PM
How many jobs have been created by tax hikes in different states?  Didn't businesses move to other states with less taxes?  Aren't people moving out of Cal like crazy for states with lower taxes?  If it doesn't work for individual states why would it work for the entire US?  Rich people and businesses can move the average person is just stuck.

Quote from: LOsborne on August 06, 2010, 07:40:17 PM
Did it not occur to you, Henry, that their percentage went up because they are among the very few who STILL HAVE INCOME??  Don't tell me tax cuts will create jobs. The grotesque rise in unemployment came about during the decade of the Bush cuts.

Quote from: LOsborne on August 06, 2010, 09:13:18 PM

Whooossshh!! Your point just zipped right over my head. I don't understand. What businesses moved to other states? All the businesses I know about that moved, went out of the country.

Quote from: me on August 06, 2010, 11:30:23 PM
They do both and also will move within a state to the city with the lowest tax rate.  Not all businesses are large enough to move out of the country but they will relocate to a lower tax area.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 06, 2010, 10:55:21 PM
....facts are tax cuts DO work....JFK proved it....Reagan proved it.......and W proved it.
and letting these bush tax cuts expire is NOT a good thing to even THINK about doing during times like this.......we will be heading for REAL problems IF they allow this to happen....

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on August 07, 2010, 08:33:41 AM
...he's got COMMON SENSE. :biggrin:

Quote from: LOsborne on August 07, 2010, 07:50:52 AM
May I have your source, please? I found plenty of documentation of wealthy individuals moving to states with no income tax, and a few stories about states (Nevada for one) trying to lure businesses by lowering taxes, but nothing about companies actually doing it.

On the other hand, I found lots and lots of stories about companies leaving the U.S.

Quote from: LOsborne on August 07, 2010, 07:53:00 AM
C'mon, Henry. Just give us one or two examples of job creation as a result of Bush tax cuts.

You get all worked up, and use a lot of capital letters, but doing that is not nearly so persuasive as a couple of verifiable stories about some companies employing and extra five hundred or so workers as a result of these tax cuts. Oh yeah, the workers have to be in the United States before you get full credit for it.

No matter how often you say "facts are tax cuts DO work" a few real facts would go a long way toward convincing me.

Quote from: LOsborne on August 07, 2010, 07:53:00 AM
C'mon, Henry. Just give us one or two examples of job creation as a result of Bush tax cuts.

You get all worked up, and use a lot of capital letters, but doing that is not nearly so persuasive as a couple of verifiable stories about some companies employing and extra five hundred or so workers as a result of these tax cuts. Oh yeah, the workers have to be in the United States before you get full credit for it.

No matter how often you say "facts are tax cuts DO work" a few real facts would go a long way toward convincing me.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 07, 2010, 09:48:05 AM
Okay Lolly, I have posted these before and everyone ignores it....but I will post it again...

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/01/Ten-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/01/Ten-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts)

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2003/08/The-Historical-Lessons-of-Lower-Tax-Rates (http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2003/08/The-Historical-Lessons-of-Lower-Tax-Rates)

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/08/02/pro-growth-tax-cuts-always-create-jobs-msnbc%E2%80%99s-the-ed-show-misrepresents-heritage-position/ (http://blog.heritage.org/2010/08/02/pro-growth-tax-cuts-always-create-jobs-msnbc%E2%80%99s-the-ed-show-misrepresents-heritage-position/)

New York City's economy has boomed and private sector employment has hit record levels, because of Tax Cuts:

    * Reductions in the City's personal income, sales, business and property taxes have generated more than 80,000 new jobs since 1997, or about one of every four gained by the City during that period;
    * More than 6,500 new jobs will be generated by tax cuts that were included in the City's fiscal 2002 budget but are still awaiting the state Legislature's approval;
    * Nearly 15,000 more jobs could be added to New York's employment base by eliminating what's left of the personal income tax surcharge first adopted by the City a decade ago;
    * Thanks to these additional jobs, New York City's job growth rate exceeded the national average—the first time that has happened during an economic expansion since 1950.

Is THIS what you want from me Lolly?

Quote from: The Troll on August 07, 2010, 10:05:08 AM
Anti- Working man and woman Republican dogma.

Quote from: The Troll on August 07, 2010, 10:20:50 AM
  The Heritage Foundation, The Heritage Foundation, The Heritage Foundation.  Why don't you bring up some of the other Republican think tanks.  Why don't you find something from the Chamber of Commerces and other Republican funded thinks  tanks.  I wouldn't believe a damn word out of these Republican shills, if their tongues were notarized.  Everything they have to say is for the corporations, the rich and the Republican Party.  All of it is Bull Shit and you know it.  Why don't you bring up some famous statements from Herbert Hoover and some famous statements from George W. Bush that "might" have a little more of a ring of truth.

Quote from: me on August 07, 2010, 09:40:13 AM
Our county/city, has lost businesses to another county/city, because of a lower tax rate in the other county/city,  and businesses that the state were trying to attract have chosen states with lower taxes rather than coming here. 

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 07, 2010, 10:57:12 AM
I challenge you to prove them (the heritage foundation) wrong, they are a very well written group, with highly intelligent and articulate conservatives...and they supply sources for almost everything they write.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 07, 2010, 10:50:47 AM
Are you serious?..........Troll, I assure you, that I am nothing, but 100%, bleed from the heart, ALL about supporting the Working men and women of the United States.......

Let's get some facts straight first of all.........I am NOT against all unions, I have a very bad taste in my mouth for the UAW though, and I have shared about the first hand corruption that I witnessed....I also, believed that because of the mentality that the UAW bigshots had, is the number one reason WHY Anderson is the town it is today.....

I am NOT a super PRO "big business" supporter.....I honestly do believe that their greed is a major contributor along with the f'd up UAW, as why our auto industry is in the crapper.

I DO still believe that Government is NOT a solution to our problem, they ARE the problem.

I am only a republican by default......I consider myself a "Reagan conservative".....

I am against letting this country become MORE (than it already is) a socialist form of government....

I think we would be fine if we set laws in this country and simply enforced them....enough of the "regulation" bull shit.......

I fully believe that there is "good" and "bad," "right" and "wrong,"......if a Big Corporation does wrong, we need to fine them to the fullest extent.

I think that goes for our immigration issues and every other issue we face.

We did NOT need to redo our Healthcare Industry, we needed to fix a few problems....get the few million that did not have insurance, covered.....but, this government mandated form of HC is wrong and goes against our Constitution, and that is why it is going to be challenged by the SCOTUS...

I am ALL in favor of setting up laws to encourage American made products to be bought and sold here....NAFTA had good intentions, but government could not keep their hands out of it and dicked it all up......We need to rally as Americans and boycott China....

Greed is NOT just a republican thing, Troll............it is rampart all through washington...and the dems have just as much blood on their hands as do the republicans......we have GOT to get back to basics.

I think we need to encourage family values....quit with things like the marriage tax (i call it the marriage penalty)...we have so many laws now that encourages kids to day to NOT get married...we pay some girls pretty good to HAVE babies out of wedlock....this whole entitlement mentality is destroying this nation....kids think they are entitled to a lifestyle that OUR parents busted their ASS off for...Troll, I know that YOU busted your ass off for your retirement years and for your family.....I think the liberals have encouraged our youth to get..."free" this and "free" that.....my son had a friend who has a free ride through college via Pell Grants, because his parents are divorced, and I know they both are faking health injuries to get handicapped "cash and privileges".....and this boy get around $18,000 every year handed to him......My wife and I, bust our asses off, and are paying for our kids to get a better education.....which is the way it SHOULD be....but it makes it awful frustrating to have it shoved in your face.

Troll, you and I, are not that far apart.....we just have very different views on what is best for this country...but I assure you, I bleed red, white and blue.

Quote from: LOsborne on August 07, 2010, 09:21:18 AM
By what criteria?

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 06, 2010, 12:02:04 PM
I am no longer looking for a debate.....I'm through with that.....no longer interested.......I may from time to time post something that I think is interesting.....I have MY very solid and formulated opinion, based upon things I read, watch and listen too, and from what I see first hand....but, mostly I get my opinion based upon common sense.....

Quote from: LOsborne on August 07, 2010, 11:25:20 AM
Specific companies, please? And the state losing companies that were planning to build somewhere choosing another state does not fit the criteria of existing companies upping stakes.

Toyota chose Indiana about 12 years ago, for a new plant, but it did not close an existing plant to do so.

Quote from: me on August 07, 2010, 12:40:12 PMAT&T moved from where I live to another city a few years back because the taxes were lower there as did the gas company.

Quote from: The Troll on August 07, 2010, 02:43:26 PM
  You mean that happen under George W. and he didn't stop it.  What a shame.  It even happen to the great ones.  What a shame, but that's how Super Capitalism works.  The strong take the weak's money and dignity.  Just look at America, Super Capitalism let run wild.   :yes:

Quote from: me on August 07, 2010, 12:40:12 PM
AT&T moved from where I live to another city a few years back because the taxes were lower there as did the gas company. 

Quote from: me on August 07, 2010, 02:54:26 PMThat happened quite sometime ago and who is president has nothing to do with the local taxes. It was, however, under a democratic mayor...Rock :razz:

Quote from: The Troll on August 07, 2010, 07:45:42 PM
  Bob Rock was a good mayor and a good Governor.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 07, 2010, 09:06:35 PMa governor?..... :confused: a good mayor... :rotfl:

Quote from: The Troll on August 07, 2010, 07:45:42 PM
  I knew Bob Rock personally, I liked Bob Rock, Bob Rock was a good mayor and a good Governor.

  As I remember Anderson was having good times during Bob Rock's mayorship.  Yes, we were having good times in Anderson when Bob Rock was Mayor.   :rolleyes: :razz:  :finger01:

Quote from: me on August 08, 2010, 12:34:10 AMWas you one of his drinkin' buddy's?

Quote from: me on August 09, 2010, 06:42:04 PM
From The Ghost Breakers. A 1940 classic with Bob Hope
Pretty much says it all.   :biggrin:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWpU8sX10_4&feature=player_embedded

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 07, 2010, 09:06:35 PM
a governor?..... :confused:

a good mayor... :rotfl:

Quote from: The Troll on August 09, 2010, 08:07:04 PM
  Yeah, that's Bob Hope one of the richest people in Hollywood.  Yeah he was a Republican in the money way.  But then again he wasn't really a Republican.  He was married once and no stories about him running around either.  So you could say he really wasn't a adultery, fornicating committing Republican.   :razz: :biggrin: :yes:

Quote from: dan foster on August 09, 2010, 11:30:20 PM
Maybe he and crosby were secret lovers.  THAT would make him a republican ;>)

Quote from: me on August 10, 2010, 02:59:53 AM
Is Barny Franks a Republican now???? 

Quote from: me on August 10, 2010, 02:59:53 AMIs Barny Franks a Republican now????

Quote from: LOsborne on August 10, 2010, 07:48:17 AM
No. Barney Franks has never hidden his sexual orientation. Unlike Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and Ted Haggard. Not to mention that persistent internet rumor about Boys' Town and Bohemian Grove.

Homosexuality does not appear to be limited to one political party. Lying about it is definitely a republican trait.

Quote from: Exterminator on August 18, 2010, 07:22:50 AM
Even if she could say it, you probably couldn't spell it or conjugate it correctly.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 18, 2010, 12:33:36 PM
by the way, ...the name of the proposed mosque is to be; "Cordoba House" ironicly, bears the name of a Christian city in Spain, that was conquered by Muslims around 711...

just sayin...

Quote from: Exterminator on August 18, 2010, 01:12:08 PM
More bullshit that your ilk reads on one of your right-wing websites and never takes the time to validate before propagating.  Cordoba was taken by a Muslim army from the Visigoths, a tribe of barbarians whose primary religion was Arianism.  That nothwithstanding, the city has changed hands so many times and by so many groups over the course of history that it would be difficult to make the argument that it is any more historically significant to any one religion than to any other.

Just sayin'...

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 18, 2010, 02:18:23 PM
What I stated IS true...just google it........there are all sorts of links supporting it.

NOW, maybe it IS all hype to cast a shadow on it....but, it even the name they chose,  shows poor judgement, of all the names, they picked one that WAS a site of a Muslim attack on Christian...maybe the need a new PR, but everything about this idea is wrong.....In MY opinion.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 18, 2010, 02:18:23 PM
What I stated IS true...just google it........there are all sorts of links supporting it.

QuoteNOW, maybe it IS all hype to cast a shadow on it....but, it even the name they chose,  shows poor judgement, of all the names, they picked one that WAS a site of a Muslim attack on Christian.

Quote from: Palehorse on August 18, 2010, 03:19:34 PM
This argument does nothing but feed into one of the key components in the 9/11 terrorist campaign; to divide and conquer. To provide validation for their hatred of Americans, and to fuel that hatred.

Quote from: Palehorse on August 18, 2010, 03:19:34 PM
The government has investigated the group owning the property,

Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 18, 2010, 03:38:27 PM
any proof to back up that statement?

Quote from: Exterminator on August 18, 2010, 01:12:08 PM
More bullshit that your ilk reads on one of your right-wing websites and never takes the time to validate before propagating.  Cordoba was taken by a Muslim army from the Visigoths, a tribe of barbarians whose primary religion was Arianism.  That nothwithstanding, the city has changed hands so many times and by so many groups over the course of history that it would be difficult to make the argument that it is any more historically significant to any one religion than to any other.

Just sayin'...

Quote from: Palehorse on September 03, 2010, 10:31:53 AM
Imagine what it would have been had the country not taken these steps!

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2010, 10:55:38 AM
No one is saying that nothing should have been done....just the steps taken was putting the trust into government and not the people.  I think a "stimulus" is putting the money back into the hands of the entreprenuers and the working people of this country...let THEM decide how to best invest OUR money...in the forms of tax cuts...not permanent, suspend them for a year, to free up money to be spent or REAL economic growth...to stimulate confidence by the consumer.

you don't trust big business, I don't like big business, but I most certainly do not trust or like big government...all of this "pork" spending is just a way for these politicians to pay back "those who now want favors returned"...they are supposed to be law makers, not investors.

Quote from: The Troll on September 03, 2010, 11:13:47 AM
  Why are the Republicans turning down the bill that will help these small business men and women.  Hummmm.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2010, 10:55:38 AM
I think a "stimulus" is putting the money back into the hands of the entreprenuers and the working people of this country...let THEM decide how to best invest OUR money...in the forms of tax cuts...not permanent, suspend them for a year, to free up money to be spent or REAL economic growth...to stimulate confidence by the consumer.

Quote from: Olias on September 03, 2010, 11:59:08 AM
Yeah ... and how's that working out?

Companies pile up cash but remain hesitant to add jobs

Corporate America is hoarding a massive pile of cash. It just doesn't want to spend it hiring anyone.  Nonfinancial companies are sitting on $1.8 trillion in cash, roughly one-quarter more than at the beginning of the recession. And as several major firms report impressive earnings this week, the money continues to flow into firms' coffers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/14/AR2010071405960.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/14/AR2010071405960.html)

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2010, 11:51:38 AM

the question I have, where was a bill to help small business several months ago, NOW, the election is approaching and NOW they are acting like this something they really need to do...all the repubs are asking to add some amendments to the bill and to remove some of the pork that is attached....the dems want everything their way and expect the repubs to cave in and give it to them without any compromise...and bitch when the repubs fight back...hmmmm

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2010, 12:06:28 PM
..as I have stated maybe if they would have "cut" taxes instead of printing money and spending it on pet projects, these guys who have the real money would begin to invest....

this is what I have been trying to say forvever now...

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2010, 12:19:17 PM
that source is nothing more than a liberal blog, with liberal views...it is just another opinion piece...

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2010, 12:19:17 PM
that source is nothing more than a liberal blog, with liberal views...it is just another opinion piece...

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2010, 12:19:17 PM
that source is nothing more than a liberal blog, with liberal views...it is just another opinion piece...

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2010, 10:09:42 AM
http://www.ncsl.org/LegislaturesElections/ElectionsCampaigns/StateRequirementsforVoterID/tabid/16602/Default.aspx (http://www.ncsl.org/LegislaturesElections/ElectionsCampaigns/StateRequirementsforVoterID/tabid/16602/Default.aspx)

Economy LOST 283,000 jobs during "Recovery Summer" months.....Unemployement rose again!!...we are going the wrong way guys....we spent nearly a trillion dollars...Etc., etc., etc.

Quote from: LOsborne on September 03, 2010, 06:29:12 PM
Henry, why did you attach a link to a page listing the requirements by state to register to vote, to this tired old rehash that the POTUS didn't pull off the miracle of making unemployment mess go away? Did you forget what you were talking about?

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2010, 07:47:40 PM
whoopsy daisy, I copied n pasted the wrong link that went to another thread....I get in too big of hurry sometimes....I forget now, what link I was going to attach..... :spooked:

my point IS, that the POTUS himself PROMISED, if WE passed the $787 + stimulus bill, unemployment would NOT climb above 8%....well it did....I think it is time to begin to realize that maybe, just maybe his, and Pelosi, and Reids plan, MAY not be working as they was sure as hell thought was going to work....
and IF, they do NOT extend the Bush Tax Cuts, we are headed for a BIGGER mess than we are in now....

why is it so hard for democrats to admit, that every freakin time there was a proper tax cut, the federal revenue increased...when they became a burden upon the tax payers, the revenue decreased....the facts are already in.....Kennedy proved it, Reagan proved it, and Bush proved it.......everytime!!!, the fed revenue INCREASED.
so what does Obama want to do?.....let the Bush Tax Cuts expire, and RAISE them on those who make over $200,000...

I can assure you, IF and WHEN, the repubs gain control of the House and Senate, and keep the Bush Tax cuts in place, YOU will see the economy begin to flourish....because, THEN and only THEN, will business's start to invest back into the economy....they are holding out right now, because of the uncertainty of our congress, the spending, and the HC bill......

with all of this said, is WHY exactly I believe the name of this thread is accurate.... ;)

Quote from: The Troll on September 07, 2010, 08:23:16 AM
I guarantee this country will see chaos and pain. 

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 07, 2010, 08:53:39 AM
WE ARE SEEING CHAOS AND PAIN!!!!....Where have YOU been?...and the dipshit democrats want to let the Bush Tax cuts expire, how freaking stupid is THAT?....THAT will REALLY get our economy started (sarcasm, just in case you didn't pick up on it)....the way I see it, thing can only get better, IF the repubs get back in control.....the KEEP the Bush Tax Cuts IN place, and consumer confidence WILL take care of the rest, and our economy will resume BACK to a somewhat normal economy....but if they don't WE are so screwed.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 07, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
That's BS Henry - several have tried to explain to you the economics of tax cuts. You wait a few days and repost the same thing. I think they've given up.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 07, 2010, 01:27:44 PM
^There is none so blind as those who will not see. :no:

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 07, 2010, 12:45:34 PM
That's BS Henry - several have tried to explain to you the economics of tax cuts. You wait a few days and repost the same thing. I think they've given up.

Quote from: Exterminator on September 07, 2010, 04:22:37 PM
Pretty much like trying to teach a pig to dance; it's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 07, 2010, 12:51:47 PM
...I know for a fact, they do and HAVE worked...

Quote from: LOsborne on September 07, 2010, 07:06:07 PM
So I will ask one more time (with no real expectation of getting an answer any more than I did the first three times I asked:

What jobs did the Bush tax cuts create from 2000 to 2008? And you can't count soldiers.

Quote from: me on September 07, 2010, 07:18:08 PM
The unemployment rate was low, businesses were expanding, and people had more money in their pockets to spend. 

QuoteSPECIAL REPORT:
Your Job   Full coverage
Unemployment rate lowest since 2001
Employers add 193,000 jobs in January as unemployment dips unexpectedly, wages up more than forecasts.
By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
February 3, 2006: 12:43 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - The unemployment rate fell to its lowest level in nearly five years in January, the government reported Friday, as employers added a respectable 193,000 jobs to payrolls and paychecks increased more than expected.

The Labor Department said the unemployment rate dipped to 4.7 percent from 4.9 in December, the lowest since 4.6 percent in July 2001, just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Economists had forecast that the rate would remain unchanged from December.


Special Reportfull coverage

Signs of life in the job market
The job market's recovering. No, really.
Jobless claims decline, but not enough
Unemployment rates rise in 14 states
It's official: We're all burnt out
The drop in unemployment was the latest sign of a tightening labor market, which could put upward pressure on wages and prices in the months ahead.

On Wall Street, stocks fell as investors worried that the report makes further interest rate hikes by the Federal Reserve more likely.

Treasury bond prices fell right after the report was released but later recovered.

The department said average hourly wage rose 7 cents to $16.41, a 0.4 percent increase that was slightly more than the 0.3 percent gain forecast by economists.

Over the last 12 months, average wages are up 3.3 percent on a seasonally adjusted basis, the biggest 12-month change in nearly three years.

In the part of the report that normally gets the most attention, U.S. employers added 193,000 jobs to payrolls in January, up from a revised 140,000 gain in December. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast a gain of 250,000 for January.

But the unemployment rate and wage increase seemed to be getting most of investors' attention on Wall Street.

Anthony Chan, chief economist for JPMorgan Private Client Services, said he thinks the market might be overreacting a bit to the unemployment rate, which is based on a survey of households and is generally seen as less accurate than the survey of employers for the payroll numbers.

"I didn't see the average length of the work week picking up. I didn't see an increase in the labor market participation rate," he said. "That all makes me concerned that some of the tightening talk is a bit overstated."

Jeoff Hall, the chief U.S. economist for Thomson Financial, agreed that the unemployment rate could bounce back up in coming months as those now not counted as in the labor force start to look for or find jobs.

But he also said that the department's Bureau of Labor Statistics annual revision to last year's payroll numbers showed that the job reports from the last half of 2005 understated the strength of the labor market.

"It turns out the labor market is a lot tighter than we first thought," said Hall. "If you look at the last five months alone, we had 151,000 more jobs added than the BLS had first estimated."

Quote from: me on September 07, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
  Of course you're not taking into account that after the 9/11 attacks some people were out of work because there were some businesses were destroyed in the attack. 

Quote from: LOsborne on September 07, 2010, 07:06:07 PM
So I will ask one more time (with no real expectation of getting an answer any more than I did the first three times I asked:

What jobs did the Bush tax cuts create from 2000 to 2008? And you can't count soldiers.

   
• The economy lost 267,000 jobs in the six quarters before the 2003 tax cuts. In the next six quarters, it added 307,000 jobs, followed by 5 million jobs in the next seven quarters.
•    
  
  (http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/01/~/media/Images/Reports/bg2001/bg2001table_3_lg.ashx)
  
  Critics do not explain why such a sudden and dramatic turnaround began at the exact moment that these pro-growth policies were enacted......they do not explain why business investment, the stock market, and job numbers suddenly turned around in spring 2003. It is no coincidence that the expansion was powered by strong investment growth, exactly as the tax cuts intended.
  
  The 2003 tax cuts succeeded because of the supply-side policies that critics most oppose: cuts in marginal income tax rates and tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. The 2001 tax cuts that were based more on demand-side tax rebates and redistribution did not significantly increase economic growth.
  
  
  

Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2010, 09:43:35 AM

...followed by 5 million jobs in the next seven quarters.

Quote from: LOsborne on September 08, 2010, 06:58:08 PM
To keep up with new grads entering the job market, the economy must produce 200,000 jobs per month. Seven quarters is 21 months. Times 200K is 4,200,000 jobs, just to break even. So a 5 million job gain is just 3800 jobs per month in the plus column. Not stellar. If, in fact, you can prove the five million.

Now which companies were those that were created by those tax cuts, again? And just for shiggles, maybe we really should look at the military recruiting figures for those months.

Quote from: Palehorse on September 08, 2010, 09:43:49 PM
There you go, throwing figures about like candy at a parade. . . You know its only going to put them into a sugar frenzy don't you?

Quote from: me on September 09, 2010, 09:51:26 AM
What's the point?  What exactly are you trying to figure out here?  Look at your chart again and notice the decrease in unemployment after the tax relief acts.  Notice too that the unemployment started to increase slightly after the dems became the majority in congress but not as dramatically as it is now. 

Quote from: Palehorse on September 09, 2010, 03:28:28 PM
See!  :spooked:

Quote from: me on September 09, 2010, 04:52:45 PM
Can you deny that?

Quote from: Palehorse on September 09, 2010, 07:12:59 PM
Deny what? I'm the one that warned her about her posting of the truth sending the twins into a sugar frenzy!

Quote from: followsthewolf on September 09, 2010, 07:56:29 PM
"obfuscation"...

Quote from: LOsborne on September 09, 2010, 07:48:17 PM
I know. And all I got was more obfustication (look it up) and a complete FAILURE to name any companies that were created as a result of the Bush tax cuts. And an inability to read a chart with any understanding.

pssstt! PH! I was really trying to induce a sugar-shock coma. don't tell.

Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 12:48:45 AM
Companies were expanding and opening more stores.  All you had to do was look around and there was building going on everywhere. 

Quote from: LOsborne on September 10, 2010, 07:56:20 AM
Surely one of these tax-cut inspired expansions is documented. But don't pin your hopes on a series of new Quickie-Marts. They don't hire many folks, and most of them aren't full-time. In fact, retail in general isn't going to give you that boost in employment figures you seen to be imagining. So tell me about one company that caused a significant gain in employment figures because of the largess of the Bush tax cuts. You've spent most of a week trying to distract me from it.

Quote from: LOsborne on September 10, 2010, 06:24:38 PM
And AGAIN she dodges the question.

For what it's worth, my company's FTE total is up 20% from this time six months ago. And I got a raise this month.

Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 07:46:22 PM
Well hip hip hooray for your company?  Did Obama create any of the jobs?  Are they permanent or temporary?  Full or part time?

Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2010, 08:00:31 PM
Why? You looking to invest with some of that cash you've been hoarding???

Quote from: me on September 10, 2010, 07:46:22 PM
Are they permanent or temporary?  Full or part time? 

Quote from: The Troll on September 10, 2010, 09:30:37 PM
  Would some of the enligthen ones here in the Zone.  Please explain to me, how cutting taxes for small business people going to create more jobs.

  Nobody is going to increase production, build more space and create more jobs unless there is a demand for their products. 

  We have the Republicans screaming cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes and cut programs and lay off more people.  This to me doesn't make sense.

Quote from: me on September 11, 2010, 02:01:47 AM
Read this veeeeerrrrrryyyy ssssllllloooowwwwlllllyyyy.  The small business will have more money and will hire more people who will in turn make money to buy products to create a need for more products to be produced which will in turn spread to other businesses who will need to supply that business and so on.  Can ya dig it?  Now on the other hand if taxes are raised on them they have less money to hire people so they make due with those they have and cut their hours because people are laid off and aren't buying products soooooo suddenly there is no demand and business slows and more are laid off or cut back....the supplier isn't having to supply as much to that business so they also lay off and cut hours.....and so that goes.....small business goes under big business who has moved to another country takes over where they left off and we're all on government handouts at the soup line instead of the restaurant or fast food place.

Quote from: The Troll on September 11, 2010, 01:52:31 PM
  OK, "ME" let's say  you own a restaurant, listening to your recipes you sound like real good cook.  Your are open for three meals, 7 days a week and you restaurant is only 3/4 full on you best day.  Maybe it was full one day when some bikers came through.


  Now you get a tax cut are you going to hire more people, rebuild the kitchen,  remodel the dinning room, move to a larger place or pocket the money for yourself and put it in the bank.  I know what your going to do, your going to consider it a raise and bury it in the back yard or put it in the bank.

  If I'm wrong, what would you do?

Quote from: me on September 12, 2010, 01:11:13 PM
If there were enough of an increase in business to warrant it I would certainly expand or upgrade but a restaurant is slightly different than say a small tool and die shop or a business of that nature.

Quote from: The Troll on September 12, 2010, 04:49:57 PM
 

  And just how different are they?  There isn't any.  It's strictly supply and demand.  I know of two men from Anderson who were laid off, for over a year.  They were highly skilled tool and die men.  The owner of the 20 plus year business shut it down for lack of orders.  Hey, I know what, give him a tax cut of the money he isn't making so he can hire more people.

  Another man who was laid off two times when two British companies came and bought the two companies he work for and shut them down and took them back to England.  He now works for a company that makes artificial hip and knee joints, running a CNC machine for $10 an hour and he's a 30 year tool and die maker.  He says the orders are down and he might be layed off.  Hell, give his company owner a tax cut and he might keep him and hire more workers.  Your tax cut figures don't work. :me: :trustme:

Quote from: me on September 12, 2010, 07:33:52 PM
Hey, at least he has a job which is more than a lot of people have right now. 
Why did the companies shut down here?  If companies shut down the demand for other products goes down therefore more people are laid off which puts demands down even further and so it goes.  Each one that shuts down decreases demand for something somewhere else and it just snowballs right down the line.  When the big companies leave because they can't make a profit it trickles right down to the little mom and pop restaurant or other smaller business and they can't make it.   On the other hand if the larger companies can turn a profit in a certain location so do the smaller businesses.  Money does not trickle up any way you try to twist it.

Quote from: me on September 12, 2010, 07:33:52 PM
Hey, at least he has a job which is more than a lot of people have right now.  Why did the companies shut down here?   Money does not trickle up any way you try to twist it.

Quote from: The Troll on September 13, 2010, 09:25:27 AM
  I have heard such stupid remarks come out of someone who is suppose to be an adult American.  Paying a man who has and  is a excellent tool and die maker with 30 years experience $10 an hour.  You got to be kidding me.  That less that  $3 over minimum wage.  What a Awhile.

  Why did the American companies leave, GREED!  They go to Mexico where the minimum wage is $5 a day.  Chinese workers striking for a raise from the $1.97 Honda is paying them for auto parts they ship to America.  Plus a company who build I-Pods and Blackberries putting nets below the second floor of the barricks, so people won't be able to commit suicide.  from their 36 hour work shifts, 10 people to a room and 97 cents per hour wage.  You Republicans want slavery for the middle class.  Go ahead and just say it.  You don't want Americans to make a good wage.  Just slaves to the big predatory capitalist corporations.

Quote from: The Troll on September 13, 2010, 07:55:39 PM
  So "ME" what are you saying.  Chinese unions are company unions.  The same thing as having no union.  Eventho the people think there in a union it is only as strong as the Communist government will let them be.

  But the working people are getting pissed of by the low wages and poor working conditions and the unions are getting stronger.  The government is beginning to be afraid of the unions.  Watch and see, there will be a crack down on unions.

  Right now the Honda Transmission union is on strike for more pay.  Right now they are making on the average of  the highest to the lowest paid worker $220 per month.  $51.76 per week.  They want to be on wage par with the Honda car assembly union who make on average highest to the lowest, $70.59 to $87.06 per week.

  Honda is digging in it's heels, threatening to move the plant and shut down the other Honda plants. Does that sound familiar.  Move the jobs to find lower wages.  Sounds like predatory capitalism.  Hummmmm..

  I read yours now read this.  http://chinadigitaltimes/china/labor-unions/

Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2010, 08:48:10 AM
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a
good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended".

Well, I forwarded it to you so where does that put me

Quote from: The Troll on September 13, 2010, 10:47:09 PM
  I got to quit talking to the crazy lady.  "ME" you don't know you ass from a hole in the ground when it come to Union and factory workers.  You always had some ***** scab job where you never get dirty are are always some kind of a straw boss.  I'll bet you were a horse's ass to work for.  You're talking to a man who work in a Ford auto plant for 38 years and your telling me what a good union job is and what good working conditions are.  Please cut the bullshit.

  Great benefits my ass.  Working in a Chinese auto plant for $57 a week.  You are out of your mind.  But that's what you Republicans want for the middle class working person.  97 cents an hour for general labor or $1.43 per hour for skilled workers.  God your great people.

Quote from: me on September 14, 2010, 02:23:32 AM
I'm glad you think you know so much about me.  The thing is what you haven't seemed to figure out is some of those profits you seem to think those corporations are making is put back for bad times as a backup and isn't really profit as such at all.  Now you cut into that by another 15 or 20% that isn't a good thing because thats less money they have to expand and keep things going.  Result they either raise prices or close up shop and move elsewhere where there isn't so much outlay.

Quote from: me on September 14, 2010, 10:20:27 AM
Then tell me oh wise one.  How do you buy something made in the USA if it is no longer made here?

Quote from: The Troll on September 14, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
  :genius:  That what I want you to tell me.  I am waiting for your answer.  Your :sweetheart: George W. had 8 years to keep the American jobs here.  But hell he and his Republican Party increased the amount on job that went out.  Tell me, how would you put American back to work.  I thought you had all of the answers.

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 14, 2010, 12:13:41 PM
There seems to be a misconception that corporations move production out of the country b/c it's cheaper. I don't think the solution is as simple as offering incentives such as tax breaks. The people who take their production out of the US are also avoiding regulation. Important regulation such as child labor laws, waste restrictions, etc.

How does our inport tax compare to that of other countries.

Quote from: me on September 14, 2010, 12:09:01 PM
Clinton had 8yrs too ya know.

Quote from: The Troll on September 14, 2010, 12:55:58 PM
  Hey, "ME" what happen to the post where you called the Troll a jerk and the Trolls answer to "ME"

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 14, 2010, 12:13:41 PM
There seems to be a misconception that corporations move production out of the country b/c it's cheaper. I don't think the solution is as simple as offering incentives such as tax breaks. The people who take their production out of the US are also avoiding regulation. Important regulation such as child labor laws, waste restrictions, etc.

How does our inport tax compare to that of other countries.

Quote from: LOsborne on September 17, 2010, 07:58:17 AM
Sixty more hit the unemployment line in the Devil's Playground.

http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/sep/16/fortis-plastics-to-close/

Read carefully and you will discover that tax breaks would not have prevented this. Whirlpool was this company's major customer. Whirlpool went to Mexico. Tax breaks wouldn't have stopped Whirlpool either. Indiana and Evansville gave Whirlpool enough breaks to start their own country. So now Fortis must close.

The news was especially bitter since yesterday's headlines included this one:

Jobless claims fall, wholesale prices up

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68F2E620100916

Quote from: Palehorse on September 30, 2010, 09:51:17 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/30/carl.paladino/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/30/carl.paladino/index.html?hpt=T2)

A recent confrontation between New York Republican gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino and a newspaper columnist illustrates the multimillionaire's brash and unpredictable nature, a political observer said.
"He's got to control himself," said Doug Muzzio, a professor of public policy at Baruch College in New York. "This guy wants to be the governor and is going to start beating up or having reporters hit? It's [got] a Tony Soprano-like quality to it.". . .

Now there's some real Christianity and family values right there!  :biggrin:

He told the reporter, "I'll take you out", and right on camera too!

Tea anyone?  :biggrin:

Quote from: me on October 01, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
And what would you do if a reporter were hound your 10yr old daughter?  What about the dem who jumped all over that college kid who was wanting to ask questions?  I say so what. If you were being hounded and having your family hounded day and night you'd be just as angry wouldn't you?

Quote from: me on October 01, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
If you were being hounded and having your family hounded day and night you'd be just as angry wouldn't you?

Quote from: LOsborne on October 01, 2010, 07:37:21 AM
If having my family scrutinized were this kind of problem, I would have sense enough not to run for public office. Public officials can have no expectation of privacy. Surely he knew that when he decided to run.

Quote from: The Troll on October 01, 2010, 08:33:50 AM
 

  Now I'm not the brightest bulb in the package.  But Lolly do you think that if you have a personal maid for 9 years.  Do you think you would know she was an illegal alien.  I wonder how much the Billionaire bitch was paying her a year.  That is something everybody needs to know.  Come on Jerry Brown, find out and tell the public.

Quote from: me on October 01, 2010, 08:35:55 AM
She was paying her $23 per hour.  What a shame she was using her and exploiting her for such lowly wages.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: The Troll on October 01, 2010, 08:58:17 AM
 

  Just where did you get that information.  I just don't believe it.  $23 an hour, was that for an 8 hour shift, 12 hour shift or on call 24 hours per day.  Kissing a billionaires ass everyday.  Price less.

  Oh, Republicans never pick on the kids.  What about the remarks Rush the drugster made about Chelsey Clinton, Jimmy Carters daughter Amy.  Way beyond being just cruel.  You Republican have more skeletons in your closets than Fibber McGee had junk in his closet.  Just don't open the door.

  Also I don't know of any Democrat that has pushed or threatened and newswpaper reporter, like the Republican did yesterday, threatened him on TV.  His hired thugs would have taken him out if it wasn't for the cameras.

  You guys sure can put it out, but you sure can't take it.  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

Quote from: me on October 01, 2010, 09:04:14 AM
Just what I would expect from you Troll.  One sided and nasty natured.   The Clinton's are the ones who made families and kids off limits.

Quote from: me on October 01, 2010, 12:55:34 AM
And what would you do if a reporter were hound your 10yr old daughter?  What about the dem who jumped all over that college kid who was wanting to ask questions?  I say so what. If you were being hounded and having your family hounded day and night you'd be just as angry wouldn't you?

Quote from: Palehorse on October 01, 2010, 03:41:07 PM
Hey, I have no problem in pimp slapping anyone that gets in my face and is unwanted or unwelcome, and I don't see why any individual wouldn't treat the press the same damned way.

Quote from: me on October 01, 2010, 07:53:00 PM
Exactly, the press does things to piss these guy's off, both parties, and then wants to bitch when they're called down or the opposite party wants to make a big deal out of it.

Quote from: Palehorse on October 01, 2010, 08:04:34 PM
I got no argument there. It's been my position since the democrat was crucified for getting surly with that college press punk shoving a microphone in his face on the sidewalk. I said it then, I'd have pimp slapped the punk!

Quote from: me on September 14, 2010, 12:21:16 PM
I could be wrong but I'm thinking it's lower to encourage imports which I think is part of the problem.  I think congress wanted to raise it at one point but couldn't get it done 'cause one side or the other didn't want to discourage it, imports.  Don't even know who did what on that one but I thought it was silly no matter which party discouraged it and was of the opinion it should have been raised to stay competitive with what other countries charged on their imports from here.

Quote from: dan foster on January 19, 2011, 12:44:00 AM
We gave our jobs, and now our market to China.  They own a growing part of the US, just as the Fed and the ultra-rich/Corps wanted it.  Whatever it takes to suck more money from the middle class to the high end.  That is the goal and they have succeeded quite well.  Even obama-care is a sham that helps enrich big insurance which helps the financial sector.  We don't make shit, anymore, and that was a conscious decision of the ultra-wealth of this country.

Quote from: Palehorse on January 20, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Hypothetical:

Suppose you oppose the republican party's national stance almost across the board, but at the local level the democratic party is doing everything wrong and robbing the citizens blind? (This is assuming the independents have no viable dogs int he hunt). What do you do?

Quote from: The Troll on January 20, 2011, 03:42:17 PM
  What would I do?  If we're talking about the Mayor and he's guilty of what he has been accused of, I wouldn't vote for him.

   But for damn sure it would not vote Republican.  Putting a Republican into office is like putting a rotten apple into the middle of a barrel of good apples.

  I voted Republican ONCE!  The Teflon king Ronald Reagan and you see what he gave us.  NEVER AGAIN.

Quote from: Palehorse on January 20, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
Hypothetical:

Suppose you oppose the republican party's national stance almost across the board, but at the local level the democratic party is doing everything wrong and robbing the citizens blind? (This is assuming the independents have no viable dogs int he hunt). What do you do?

Quote from: Palehorse on January 20, 2011, 04:29:15 PM
I said Hypothetical. . . but feel free to make any assumptions you like.

But since you have brought up the current mayor, put aside the allegations. What has he done for this city to sustain progress, or to achieve it for that matter? Seriously, I'd like to know because I cannot think of one single thing! In fact, if anything, it is worse now than it was four years ago!

Quote from: me on January 24, 2011, 03:30:46 PM
What I disagreed with in her little "newscast" was the fact that she, I think, made it sound like something all together different than it is.  I don't believe that he meant anyone off the streets like she made it sound but rather those who, like the detainee's, were already detained for some sort of war crime.  The problem some seem to have with the detainee's is that they don't have military uniforms so some of those do gooders say they weren't fighting a war, or things to that effect, because the detainee's weren't in any kind of military.  The fact remains they were still fighting with our military and they are an army who isn't supplied with actual uniforms.  They just can't get it through their thick heads that those weren't innocent civilians caught up in a battle.

Quote from: Palehorse on January 24, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
If they are in fact classified as prisoners of war, then a military tribunal needs to be formed to adjudicate their crimes and to let sentencing be implemented. That's a fact that I still do not see how we are getting around.

I have no doubt that the majority of the individuals being held at Gitmo are guilty of crimes against the United States; but there are some that are legally questionable to say the least. 

Another problem seems to be the fact that very few states want to take on being responsible for the incarceration of these "war criminals too. If they are tried under the federal laws and sentenced to incarceration, where will they go? Menard in Illinois, Terra Haute, or some other federal institution?

And holding them within these facilities represents a very real possibility that those institutions would become potential targets of future terrorist acts. (Nobody wants that in their back yard!)

It's a frigging mess that needs to be addressed. . .