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Started by Henry Hawk, May 03, 2010, 08:39:50 AM

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Exterminator

And it's * hyperbole...stop trying to use words you can neither spell nor know the meaning of.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

Quote from: Exterminator on August 13, 2012, 12:00:47 PM
And it's * hyperbole...stop trying to use words you can neither spell nor know the meaning of.

You must have told him that a million times.  :wink:  ;D
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

The Troll

Quote from: Exterminator on August 13, 2012, 09:47:41 AM
Why is Romney afraid to release his taxes?

  I want to see his taxes and the American people want to see his tax records.  I want the people of America to see what a lying, cheating crook he is.   :rant:

me

Trump 2020

Bo D

"Though a version of the farm bill passed the Senate, Republican leaders in the House chose not to hold a vote because of GOP opposition to farm subsidy and food stamp funding in the bill. Ryan is among the Republican leaders supporting cuts to food stamps."

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-asks-iowans-to-pressure-paul-ryan-on-farm-bill-131961.html
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Locutus

Quote from: Olias on August 14, 2012, 11:05:16 AM
"Though a version of the farm bill passed the Senate, Republican leaders in the House chose not to hold a vote because of GOP opposition to farm subsidy and food stamp funding in the bill. Ryan is among the Republican leaders supporting cuts to food stamps."

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-asks-iowans-to-pressure-paul-ryan-on-farm-bill-131961.html

Man!  Every damn thing that comes out of her mouth is either a distortion of some sort, or a flat-out lie.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

The latest adventure from Barack Obama's truth-challenged campaign took place in Iowa, where the President accused Rep. Paul Ryan, vice presidential candidate on the Republican ticket, of being "one of those leaders in Congress standing in the way" of a farm bill that would "provide relief and certainty to U.S. farmers and ranchers."
"So, if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.  It's time to put politics aside and pass it right away," the President urged Iowa voters.
Which is a nice sound bite... except for the fact that the House of Representatives passed the farm bill.  The Senate, which is controlled by do-nothing Harry Reid and the Democrats, decided to blow out of Washington without voting on it.
Among other things, they objected to a $16 billion cut in the massively bloated $770 billion food stamp program – whose funding makes up fully 80 percent of the "farm bill."  The size of the food stamp program has doubled since 2008, with approximately one in seven Americans now receiving food assistance.  The House bill accomplished this largely by means-testing food stamps to ensure certain asset and income limits were met – a measure whose necessity will come as a surprise to the vast number of American voters who think food stamps already work that way.
For the benefit of Obama supporters unclear about how Congress works, Paul Ryan is a "Representative," which means he serves in the House of Representatives, not the Senate.  And in any event, Ryan does not sit on the House Agriculture Committee, so while he would vote on any given agriculture bill, he would not have a pivotal role in "blocking" one.
The Senate did send a food stamp bill... er, excuse me, "farm bill"... to the House earlier this year, which reduced the food stamp program by only $4.5 billion, but the House voted on its own bill instead.  Such games of legislative tennis are not uncommon when the issue is hotly debated.  There's no doubt that the ball was in the Senate's court when the whistle for the August recess was blown.
The farm states are currently suffering through a drought, which adds urgency to the debate.  For this reason, the House separated drought relief from the rest of the highly contentious farm bill and passed $383 million in emergency disaster relief separately on August 2.  The ranking Democrat on the House Agricultural Committee, Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota, criticized this move, insisting that "weathering a natural disaster without the certainty of a five-year bill could damage one of the bright spots we have in this economy."  Paul Ryan voted for it.  The Senate refused to vote on the measure, so it joined the 30-plus pro-growth jobs bills passed by the House, only to gather dust on Harry Reid's desk.
But now Paul Ryan, who doesn't even sit on the Agriculture Committee, is blamed by President Obama for "blocking" that very drought relief!  And this is the same President who claims he cannot be held accountable for a single thing that has gone wrong in America since the day he took office.  Why not hold Democrats responsible for making farmers suffer, because they can't accept even a modest reduction in their precious food stamp program?
There have been a lot of twists and turns in the farm bill saga, but it's incredibly disingenuous of Obama to portray Ryan as the guy Iowa farmers should be angry with.  It reeks of sheer panic and desperation on the President's part.
Of course, he's betting that the media won't call him on it, and so far, he's right – very few mainstream press accounts have done much more than relay Obama's accusation, and occasionally the response from Romney campaign staff.  As reported by the Washington Times, Romney campaign spokesman Ryan Williams said, "The truth is no one will work harder to defend farmers and ranchers than the Romney-Ryan ticket.  After nearly four years of failure, it's no wonder that Barack Obama returns to the state that launched his presidential campaign with nothing more than broken promises and false attacks."
This is all part of a very old game played in Congress.  Many disparate subjects – such as food stamps and drought relief – are gathered into huge bills with pleasing names.  Those who object to any component of the massive bill and vote against are accused of voting against whatever benevolent impulse is described in the title of the bill, and hating whichever group of nominal beneficiaries sound most sympathetic to voters.  Thus, if you vote against the Crime Prevention and Single Mothers Act, you must want crime to get worse, and hate single mothers, regardless of what your specific objection to the actual text of the bill might be.
If there are competing bills covering the same topic, each party pretends that only legislation passed by the house of Congress under its control exists at all.  As you can see from the farm bill debate, few of our elected representatives are eager to give up that sort of valuable political obfuscation by breaking huge bills down into individual measures and casting clear votes on specific issues.
If the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, and Obama vetoed a hundred bills they placed on his desk, he would still describe them as the "obstructionists."  One of the problems with Big Government is that it's very difficult to pin down individual accountability for anything it does.  Any given congressional representative can be said to have voted for, or against, a great many different things, with every single vote he casts.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

WASHINGTON, D.C., June 21, 2012 — American Farmland Trust (AFT) today hailed the passage of the Senate farm bill, and urged Congress to retain funding for conservation as the legislation moves through the House of Representatives.  The U.S. Senate passed the farm bill by a bipartisan vote of 64 to 35.

AFT President Jon Scholl said, "Congratulations are due to Chairman Debbie Stabenow and Ranking Member Pat Roberts for their diligence in crafting this farm bill and moving it through the Senate under extremely difficult circumstances. Completing the farm bill this year is essential to continue the gains we've made to protect America's working farmlands.  We urge the House to follow suit in passing this critical legislation."

http://www.farmbillfacts.org
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Bo D

And Henry follows up with yet more lies ...

The U.S. Senate passed the farm bill by a bipartisan vote of 64 to 35.
http://www.farmbillfacts.org/

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Exterminator

Quote from: Locutus on August 14, 2012, 11:15:19 AM
Man!  Every damn thing that comes out of her mouth is either a distortion of some sort, or a flat-out lie.

And then as if on cue, her little buddy comes along and supports her lie.  The House did not pass a Farm Bill, the House passed a short-term emergency drought relief bill; the Farm Bill is a 5 year plan.

I don't know whether to be disgusted by these two because they constantly spread lies or to pity them because they're so stupid and gullible.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

On Thursday, August 2, the House of Representatives passed a stand-alone disaster bill by a vote of 223 to 197.  Thirty-five Democrats voted for the bill, while 46 Republicans voted against the measure.  The bill would cut $639 million from two conservation programs — the Conservation Stewardship Program and the Environmental Quality Incentives Program — to provide $383 million in disaster aid to livestock producers and certain fruit growers; the rest would go to deficit reduction.
This week was another twist in the ongoing saga of trying to get the House Agriculture Committee-passed farm bill to the House floor — an important step in the 2012 Farm Bill process if Congress is to pass a full reauthorization of the farm bill before the current one expires on September 30.  Republican House leadership has refused to bring the Committee-passed bill to the floor, and initially, there was little support for considering disaster assistance.
As the drought worsened, and as home-town and national media outlets reported the drought's impact on farmers and ranchers, pressure to act increased.  At the end of last week, the House leadership tried to address two issues in one bill by introducing a disaster aid package tied to an extension of the 2008 Farm Bill.  There was strong opposition (including NSAC opposition) to the leadership's initial proposal to pass disaster assistance along with an extension, and by the beginning of this week, it was clear that there weren't the votes to pass the measure.
The leadership then introduced the stand-alone drought assistance bill that ultimately passed, but faced additional opposition.  The original plan had been to pass the bill under a "suspension" of rules, which would have required a two-thirds majority vote to pass (instead of a simple majority).  After continued pressure from conservation groups, agriculture groups, and lawmakers to move a comprehensive farm bill instead of a stand-alone disaster bill, the leadership had to change plans again because it became clear that there were not enough votes to pass a simple disaster bill under suspension.  As noted above, the bill then passed the House.
The Senate did not act on stand-alone disaster assistance this week.  Having passed a comprehensive 2012 Farm Bill reauthorization — which includes a broader disaster package than what the House just passed — in June, the Senate leadership determined that a stand-alone disaster bill was not needed because the Senate-passed farm bill already includes disaster assistance.
Both sides of the aisle blamed the other for inaction — Republicans blamed the Democrat-led Senate for not taking up the House's disaster bill late on Thursday, and Democrats blamed Republicans for not acting on the broader disaster assistance provisions by moving forward with a comprehensive farm bill.  House Agriculture Committee members were torn between the positions, and made the case for a comprehensive farm bill reauthorization during their floor speeches before the disaster bill vote, but many ultimately voted for the stand-alone disaster bill.
After the House vote, the Chairs and Ranking Members of the House and Senate Agriculture Committees, along with select Committee members (including Senators Thune (R-SD), Chambliss (R-GA), Lugar (R-IN), Johanns (R-NE), Baucus (D-MT), and Conrad (D-ND)), met to discuss options for moving forward with the farm bill.  There are still multiple possible paths forward for the farm bill (for details on the paths forward, written before the House Agriculture Committee passed its bill but otherwise still relevant, click here).
Leaving that meeting, Chairwoman Stabenow (D-MI) said she would aim to pass a full five-year farm bill in September, but she left the door open to passing comprehensive disaster aid if that efforts fails.  Given the September 30 deadline for reauthorization of the farm bill, if efforts to pass a full reauthorization fail, then it is likely that whatever disaster package is put together will also include some permutation of an extension of current law.  Reports from that meeting also suggest that efforts to reconcile the Senate-passed bill with the House Committee-passed bill will continue, although no promises of a traditional conference-type situation were made.
NSAC continues to support comprehensive reauthorization of the farm bill by the September 30 deadline, and continues to call for lawmakers to pass the 2012 Farm Bill this year, on time.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

So in summarizing the last few posts on this thread Hank, what happened using your own words?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

I do not have a high degree of confidence that he'll get this right.   :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

Quote from: Exterminator on August 14, 2012, 12:35:15 PM
I do not have a high degree of confidence that he'll get this right.   :biggrin:

Well maybe 'me' can give it a shot if he can't.  She started with the original lie.  ;D
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson