Democrats SUCK!!

[Palehorse]

Exactly, the press does things to piss these guy's off, both parties, and then wants to bitch when they're called down or the opposite party wants to make a big deal out of it.

I got no argument there. It's been my position since the democrat was crucified for getting surly with that college press punk shoving a microphone in his face on the sidewalk. I said it then, I'd have pimp slapped the punk!

[The Troll]

I got no argument there. It's been my position since the democrat was crucified for getting surly with that college press punk shoving a microphone in his face on the sidewalk. I said it then, I'd have pimp slapped the punk!

  Have you ever seen how a group of adult Republicans can cry.       They seen to forget what they have done to people.  Old Lair Bill O'Reilly sending out his hit and run media reporter and camera man to attack people.  Bill.

[dan foster]

I could be wrong but I'm thinking it's lower to encourage imports which I think is part of the problem.  I think congress wanted to raise it at one point but couldn't get it done 'cause one side or the other didn't want to discourage it, imports.  Don't even know who did what on that one but I thought it was silly no matter which party discouraged it and was of the opinion it should have been raised to stay competitive with what other countries charged on their imports from here.

We gave our jobs, and now our market to China.  They own a growing part of the US, just as the Fed and the ultra-rich/Corps wanted it.  Whatever it takes to suck more money from the middle class to the high end.  That is the goal and they have succeeded quite well.  Even obama-care is a sham that helps enrich big insurance which helps the financial sector.  We don't make shit, anymore, and that was a conscious decision of the ultra-wealth of this country.

[The Troll]

We gave our jobs, and now our market to China.  They own a growing part of the US, just as the Fed and the ultra-rich/Corps wanted it.  Whatever it takes to suck more money from the middle class to the high end.  That is the goal and they have succeeded quite well.  Even obama-care is a sham that helps enrich big insurance which helps the financial sector.  We don't make shit, anymore, and that was a conscious decision of the ultra-wealth of this country.

  Well, just hang on.  Just watch the Republicans try to repeal the "Job killing Obama healthcare."  Lie, lie. and lies.  But what is so beautiful they can't get it done.                                                                                                                              

[Palehorse]

Hypothetical:

Suppose you oppose the republican party's national stance almost across the board, but at the local level the democratic party is doing everything wrong and robbing the citizens blind? (This is assuming the independents have no viable dogs int he hunt). What do you do?

[The Troll]

Hypothetical:

Suppose you oppose the republican party's national stance almost across the board, but at the local level the democratic party is doing everything wrong and robbing the citizens blind? (This is assuming the independents have no viable dogs int he hunt). What do you do?

  What would I do?  If we're talking about the Mayor and he's guilty of what he has been accused of, I wouldn't vote for him.

   But for damn sure it would not vote Republican.  Putting a Republican into office is like putting a rotten apple into the middle of a barrel of good apples.

  I voted Republican ONCE!  The Teflon king Ronald Reagan and you see what he gave us.  NEVER AGAIN.

[Palehorse]

  What would I do?  If we're talking about the Mayor and he's guilty of what he has been accused of, I wouldn't vote for him.

   But for damn sure it would not vote Republican.  Putting a Republican into office is like putting a rotten apple into the middle of a barrel of good apples.

  I voted Republican ONCE!  The Teflon king Ronald Reagan and you see what he gave us.  NEVER AGAIN.

I said Hypothetical. . . but feel free to make any assumptions you like.

But since you have brought up the current mayor, put aside the allegations. What has he done for this city to sustain progress, or to achieve it for that matter? Seriously, I'd like to know because I cannot think of one single thing! In fact, if anything, it is worse now than it was four years ago!

[Sandy Eggo]

Hypothetical:

Suppose you oppose the republican party's national stance almost across the board, but at the local level the democratic party is doing everything wrong and robbing the citizens blind? (This is assuming the independents have no viable dogs int he hunt). What do you do?

It's a damn shame that the American people, in general, don't take the other parties seriously. I guess that would involve actually researching and getting to know a candidate rather than mindlessly voting for a party.

I agree with Troll on one point. If a local candidate were truly guilty of misdeeds that effected my community in a negative way, then I wouldn't vote for him/her. Let me clarify that, I mean a candidate who didn't promote my community, wasted money, provided nothing beneficial during his or her term. I couldn't care less about adultery, homosexuality, or other personal business. I might vote for the Republican, depending on my research. I'd also be looking at other candidates. If there weren't any and the Dem is a real loser, then I definitely would.

[The Troll]

I said Hypothetical. . . but feel free to make any assumptions you like.

But since you have brought up the current mayor, put aside the allegations. What has he done for this city to sustain progress, or to achieve it for that matter? Seriously, I'd like to know because I cannot think of one single thing! In fact, if anything, it is worse now than it was four years ago!

  I really don't think anyone can do anything for Anderson.  It's still dieing from the closing of GM.  Every week 6 to 10 GM retirees die taking much need dollars out of the Anderson economy.  I figure it's over a Million dollars a year and nothing to replace it with.

  Of course Anderson isn't the only one with problem, 34,000 industrial plants and business closed and some left this country and out sourced the jobs and it took George W. 8 years to do it.   So go figure, our politician have screwed us, especially the Republican Party and the corporations.  Walmart one of the biggest job thieves in the country.

[me]

Hum, will they be crying for her head on a silver platter next?  Maybe the powers that be will start calling for MSNBC to be gagged and shut down now. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/o276WIlU21E

[Palehorse]

More fear mongering. . . and it will go on.

It's root comes from applying actions and the existence of intention to terminology used in presenting an idea or goal, when said intentions are not clear or present.

I will admit at face value I am not yet behind such an effort, based upon what I have heard thus far. It smacks of Jackbooted thugs gone wild, but at this point nothing is being done differently than what the Bush administration implemented. In fact, I do not see much difference between where the POTUS stated he wants to go, and where we went under the Bush administration. It's still the same pig in a different dress if you ask me.

The interesting part is the criticism already being directed toward the POTUS's outlining of his desired goal here. Why is this now such a problem when it is EXACTLY what we have been doing since the Chimp started it? The only difference is the POTUS now wants to make it legal by establishing a framework of law to validate it.

And if he doesn't achieve this goal? Those Gitmo prisoners will eventually have to be set free to repopulate the terrorist organizations they previously worked for.  (Which truthfully they probably should have already been set free, unless the US is going to claim they are prisoners of war).

[The Troll]

I think Rachel Maddow was over blowing it.  Anything like this will have to have the OK by both the House and Senate.

What the problem is with those prisoners in Gitmo should have been handled of the battle field.  Causalities!  But some of those prisoner are Innocent.  If those prisoners didn't hate us when the were captured, they sure hate us now.

  Just another case of trying to make news that reporting it.

[me]

What I disagreed with in her little "newscast" was the fact that she, I think, made it sound like something all together different than it is.  I don't believe that he meant anyone off the streets like she made it sound but rather those who, like the detainee's, were already detained for some sort of war crime.  The problem some seem to have with the detainee's is that they don't have military uniforms so some of those do gooders say they weren't fighting a war, or things to that effect, because the detainee's weren't in any kind of military.  The fact remains they were still fighting with our military and they are an army who isn't supplied with actual uniforms.  They just can't get it through their thick heads that those weren't innocent civilians caught up in a battle.

[Palehorse]

If they are in fact classified as prisoners of war, then a military tribunal needs to be formed to adjudicate their crimes and to let sentencing be implemented. That's a fact that I still do not see how we are getting around.

I have no doubt that the majority of the individuals being held at Gitmo are guilty of crimes against the United States; but there are some that are legally questionable to say the least. 

Another problem seems to be the fact that very few states want to take on being responsible for the incarceration of these "war criminals too. If they are tried under the federal laws and sentenced to incarceration, where will they go? Menard in Illinois, Terra Haute, or some other federal institution?

And holding them within these facilities represents a very real possibility that those institutions would become potential targets of future terrorist acts. (Nobody wants that in their back yard!)

It's a frigging mess that needs to be addressed. . .

[The Troll]

What I disagreed with in her little "newscast" was the fact that she, I think, made it sound like something all together different than it is.  I don't believe that he meant anyone off the streets like she made it sound but rather those who, like the detainee's, were already detained for some sort of war crime.  The problem some seem to have with the detainee's is that they don't have military uniforms so some of those do gooders say they weren't fighting a war, or things to that effect, because the detainee's weren't in any kind of military.  The fact remains they were still fighting with our military and they are an army who isn't supplied with actual uniforms.  They just can't get it through their thick heads that those weren't innocent civilians caught up in a battle.

  OK "ME"  grab your bottle of Nitro pills this might be the big one.  BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.  I know that if we had foreign troop in this country, killing Americans and destroying property and breaking down doors.  I sure wouldn't go out and buy an uniform to fight the son of bitches.  I would kill not wound as many as I could and any way I could.  Road side bombs included.

  In a lot of ways the American troops are lucky that they are not fighting in a country like America.  Because we got  a lot of smart guys with many more way of increasing the kill rate on the enemy.  I got several, but I ain't talking.