Democrats SUCK!!

[The Troll]

  So they say that 9 out of 10 American people believe they are Christians and believe in God.   

  What I want to know how many practice the Christian Religion.  My guess would be 33% think they, are but sure don't act like it.

  They only say their Christian when it suits them.  Oh what hypocrites.   

[Henry Hawk]

  So they say that 9 out of 10 American people believe they are Christians and believe in God.   

  What I want to know how many practice the Christian Religion.  My guess would be 33% think they, are but sure don't act like it.

  They only say their Christian when it suits them.  Oh what hypocrites.   

I don't disagree with this statement Troll.....but, I think you underestimate many who are very good Christians and do take it serious.  Just remember that hypocrites are everywhere not just those who are religious.

[Anne]

Pretty simple to prove or disprove, Henry.  Pick someone you know who is chronically ill and pray to your god to heal him/her.  Encourage your friends and neighbors to pray as well.  Nothing will happen because your god doesn't exist.  I can get the same result by screaming out that person's name while taking a dump...nothing.

Then how do you explain it when someone who has been given up on (heart attack, in a coma, no response to pain, no automatic reflexes, no discernable brain activity, on a vent, and nothing being done but hydration and bp stabilization) who has a large number of people praying for them comes out of the coma after 46 days with minimal brain damage? That was a miracle by anyone's standards, either from God or something else.

[Locutus]

Then how do you explain it when someone who has been given up on (heart attack, in a coma, no response to pain, no automatic reflexes, no discernable brain activity, on a vent, and nothing being done but hydration and bp stabilization) who has a large number of people praying for them comes out of the coma after 46 days with minimal brain damage? That was a miracle by anyone's standards, either from God or something else.

You have factual documentation to back up a claim like that?   I doubt that's all there is to the story.  And even if that story is true, it's doubtful that prayer had anything to do with it.

Prayers simply don't work, even when you're following the Biblical requirements for invoking God's help for yourself or for others.  Been down that road; researched it; tried it; it doesn't work.   Never has and never will. 

About the only thing prayer is good for is giving someone a means by which they think they can help.  When no other options are available, which is most of the time in medical situations, it's a release of sorts for the families and friends of the afflicted. 

Didn't mean for this "Democrats suck" topic to turn into a religious discussion, but sometimes these threads take on a life of their own.   

[Bo D]

Didn't mean for this "Democrats suck" topic to turn into a religious discussion, but sometimes these threads take on a life of their own.   

Yeah ... I would like to get back to that lie about the Farm Bill. 

[Locutus]

Yeah ... I would like to get back to that lie about the Farm Bill. 

Yeah me too, but it might be to no avail.  'Me' posted the original lie, and HH backed it up.  Since then, HH has said he's done, and 'me' has been quiet as a church mouse.   

Here's the original lie again in case anyone wants to address it further:

[me]

The latest adventure from Barack Obama's truth-challenged campaign took place in Iowa, where the President accused Rep. Paul Ryan, vice presidential candidate on the Republican ticket, of being "one of those leaders in Congress standing in the way" of a farm bill that would "provide relief and certainty to U.S. farmers and ranchers."
"So, if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.  It's time to put politics aside and pass it right away," the President urged Iowa voters.
Which is a nice sound bite... except for the fact that the House of Representatives passed the farm bill.  The Senate, which is controlled by do-nothing Harry Reid and the Democrats, decided to blow out of Washington without voting on it.
Among other things, they objected to a $16 billion cut in the massively bloated $770 billion food stamp program – whose funding makes up fully 80 percent of the "farm bill."  The size of the food stamp program has doubled since 2008, with approximately one in seven Americans now receiving food assistance.  The House bill accomplished this largely by [/i]means-testing food stamps to ensure certain asset and income limits were met – a measure whose necessity will come as a surprise to the vast number of American voters who think food stamps already work that way.
[i]For the benefit of Obama supporters unclear about how Congress works, Paul Ryan is a "Representative," which means he serves in the House of Representatives, not the Senate.  And in any event, Ryan does not sit on the House Agriculture Committee, so while he would vote on any given agriculture bill, he would not have a pivotal role in "blocking" one.[/i]
The Senate did send a food stamp bill... er, excuse me, "farm bill"... to the House earlier this year, which reduced the food stamp program by only $4.5 billion, but the House voted on its own bill instead.  Such games of legislative tennis are not uncommon when the issue is hotly debated.  There's no doubt that the ball was in the Senate's court when the whistle for the August recess was blown.
The farm states are currently suffering through a drought, which adds urgency to the debate.  For this reason, the House separated drought relief from the rest of the highly contentious farm bill and passed $383 million in emergency disaster relief separately on August 2.  The ranking Democrat on the House Agricultural Committee, Rep. Collin Peterson of Minnesota, criticized this move, insisting that "weathering a natural disaster without the certainty of a five-year bill could damage one of the bright spots we have in this economy."  Paul Ryan voted for it.  The Senate refused to vote on the measure, so it joined the 30-plus pro-growth jobs bills passed by the House, only to gather dust on Harry Reid's desk.
But now Paul Ryan, who doesn't even sit on the Agriculture Committee, is blamed by President Obama for "blocking" that very drought relief! And this is the same President who claims he cannot be held accountable for a single thing that has gone wrong in America since the day he took office.  Why not hold Democrats responsible for making farmers suffer, because they can't accept even a modest reduction in their precious food stamp program?[/i]
There have been a lot of twists and turns in the farm bill saga, but it's incredibly disingenuous of Obama to portray Ryan as the guy Iowa farmers should be angry with.  It reeks of sheer panic and desperation on the President's part.
Of course, he's betting that the media won't call him on it, and so far, he's right – very few mainstream press accounts have done much more than relay Obama's accusation, and occasionally the response from Romney campaign staff.  As reported by the Washington Times, Romney campaign spokesman Ryan Williams said, "The truth is no one will work harder to defend farmers and ranchers than the Romney-Ryan ticket.  After nearly four years of failure, it's no wonder that Barack Obama returns to the state that launched his presidential campaign with nothing more than broken promises and false attacks."
This is all part of a very old game played in Congress.  Many disparate subjects – such as food stamps and drought relief – are gathered into huge bills with pleasing names.  Those who object to any component of the massive bill and vote against are accused of voting against whatever benevolent impulse is described in the title of the bill, and hating whichever group of nominal beneficiaries sound most sympathetic to voters.  Thus, if you vote against the Crime Prevention and Single Mothers Act, you must want crime to get worse, and hate single mothers, regardless of what your specific objection to the actual text of the bill might be.
If there are competing bills covering the same topic, each party pretends that only legislation passed by the house of Congress under its control exists at all.  As you can see from the farm bill debate, few of our elected representatives are eager to give up that sort of valuable political obfuscation by breaking huge bills down into individual measures and casting clear votes on specific issues.
If the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress, and Obama vetoed a hundred bills they placed on his desk, he would still describe them as the "obstructionists."  One of the problems with Big Government is that it's very difficult to pin down individual accountability for anything it does.  Any given congressional representative can be said to have voted for, or against, a great many different things, with every single vote he casts.

[Exterminator]

Even after the lie has been pointed out and even explained, she defends it.  Much like the candidates she supports, 'me' hasn't a shred of integrity...none...nada...zilch.

[Henry Hawk]

That poster should have stated that Ryan "addressed" the farm bill 2 weeks ago.......with a disaster relief bill...that will give $383 million to cattle and sheep ranchers who lost livestock in the drough and assist them with monthl feed costs....It reimburses ranchers up to 75% of their losses.
Most farmers have federally assisted insurance policies to help them along....

So, this ad DID not tell exactly correct.....congress did NOT pass the "Farm Bill" as introduced by the senate...it was a disaster relief bill by congress that address' the farmer and the drought.

[Bo D]

So, this ad DID not tell exactly correct.....congress did NOT pass the "Farm Bill" as introduced by the senate...

Then the poster lied.

And you posted earlier (and 'me' just repeated the lie above)

the House of Representatives passed the farm bill.  The Senate, which is controlled by do-nothing Harry Reid and the Democrats, decided to blow out of Washington without voting on it.[/i]

[me]

Why blame one when all are at fault? 

[Bo D]

Why blame one when all are at fault?

No. You are the one that posted the initial lie.

[me]

No. You are the one that posted the initial lie.

What is the difference between a lie and a stretched truth?  Once again you're not getting it.

[followsthewolf]

What is the difference between a lie and a stretched truth?  Once again you're not getting it.

We ALL get it.

No integrity, no credibility.

Which is why I have slowly, gradually, as of late, lost all respect for nearly all of the republican party members.

At one time, I respected the differences politically, although I certainly didn't agree.

But your statement above, and its implications, expose the decay.

[Locutus]

But your statement above, and its implications, expose the decay.

And that decay is a clear and present danger to the survival of our Republic.  Especially when the masses are as ignorant as they appear to be.