Democrats SUCK!!

[LOsborne]

....facts are tax cuts DO work....JFK proved it....Reagan proved it.......and W proved it.
and letting these bush tax cuts expire is NOT a good thing to even THINK about doing during times like this.......we will be heading for REAL problems IF they allow this to happen....

C'mon, Henry. Just give us one or two examples of job creation as a result of Bush tax cuts.

You get all worked up, and use a lot of capital letters, but doing that is not nearly so persuasive as a couple of verifiable stories about some companies employing and extra five hundred or so workers as a result of these tax cuts. Oh yeah, the workers have to be in the United States before you get full credit for it.

No matter how often you say "facts are tax cuts DO work" a few real facts would go a long way toward convincing me.

[Sandy Eggo]

Are you kidding mr Lolly!?! He doesn't need REFERENCES, he's got COMMON SENSE.

[LOsborne]

...he's got COMMON SENSE.

By what criteria?

[me]

May I have your source, please? I found plenty of documentation of wealthy individuals moving to states with no income tax, and a few stories about states (Nevada for one) trying to lure businesses by lowering taxes, but nothing about companies actually doing it.

On the other hand, I found lots and lots of stories about companies leaving the U.S.

Our county/city, has lost businesses to another county/city, because of a lower tax rate in the other county/city,  and businesses that the state were trying to attract have chosen states with lower taxes rather than coming here.  Think about it, if you had a business and were looking for a place to locate would you chose a county or state with a high tax rate or one with lower taxes?  Why do you think tax breaks are offered as an incentive to companies to locate in certain areas if high taxes don't play a part in where they locate?

[Henry Hawk]

C'mon, Henry. Just give us one or two examples of job creation as a result of Bush tax cuts.

You get all worked up, and use a lot of capital letters, but doing that is not nearly so persuasive as a couple of verifiable stories about some companies employing and extra five hundred or so workers as a result of these tax cuts. Oh yeah, the workers have to be in the United States before you get full credit for it.

No matter how often you say "facts are tax cuts DO work" a few real facts would go a long way toward convincing me.

Okay Lolly, I have posted these before and everyone ignores it....but I will post it again...

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/01/Ten-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2003/08/The-Historical-Lessons-of-Lower-Tax-Rates

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/08/02/pro-growth-tax-cuts-always-create-jobs-msnbc%E2%80%99s-the-ed-show-misrepresents-heritage-position/

New York City's economy has boomed and private sector employment has hit record levels, because of Tax Cuts:

    * Reductions in the City's personal income, sales, business and property taxes have generated more than 80,000 new jobs since 1997, or about one of every four gained by the City during that period;
    * More than 6,500 new jobs will be generated by tax cuts that were included in the City's fiscal 2002 budget but are still awaiting the state Legislature's approval;
    * Nearly 15,000 more jobs could be added to New York's employment base by eliminating what's left of the personal income tax surcharge first adopted by the City a decade ago;
    * Thanks to these additional jobs, New York City's job growth rate exceeded the national average—the first time that has happened during an economic expansion since 1950.

Is THIS what you want from me Lolly?

[The Troll]

C'mon, Henry. Just give us one or two examples of job creation as a result of Bush tax cuts.

You get all worked up, and use a lot of capital letters, but doing that is not nearly so persuasive as a couple of verifiable stories about some companies employing and extra five hundred or so workers as a result of these tax cuts. Oh yeah, the workers have to be in the United States before you get full credit for it.

No matter how often you say "facts are tax cuts DO work" a few real facts would go a long way toward convincing me.

  Henry, gives me a pain where the sun don't shine.  I think I read some where he has 7 mouths to feed.  5 kids, a wife and himself, right there is a heavy load to carry.  Plus a big fine house in the burbs of Pendleton.  Probably in a gated compound where there is a home owner's association and all of the mail boxes are the same.

  He says he works for a privately own business.  Well, with just that information and from what my grandfather and an uncle have said and who worked for a family owned business, he as high as he's is going to go.  If he would start making too much money, a family member will take his job and he will be given another, but lower paying job.

  I know that he's is never going to make $250,000 or $300,000 for a couple a year at his present job and therefore will not have his taxes raised.  But, he wants to give all of the people making that amount of money and more, a tax cut.  He also wants the corporations to be able to conduct their business without any government regulations.  Just what did we get out of the deregulation of Ronald Reagan and his Republican  friends following him given us, but another start to a Herbert Hoover depression.

  He criticizes Obama for not getting out of George W.'s and the Republican boongoggle in 18 months.  Well, it took all of Roosevelt's work programs and World II to get us out of Hoover and the Republicans boongoggle.

  I think Henry ought to get out his Ohm meter and a set of wiggies (electrical tools) and find the dead short in his brain.

  I don't know how a fine, hard working, college educated family man, God fearing man get so FU*KE UP, in all of the Anti- Working man and woman Republican dogma.

[The Troll]

Okay Lolly, I have posted these before and everyone ignores it....but I will post it again...

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2007/01/Ten-Myths-About-the-Bush-Tax-Cuts

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2003/08/The-Historical-Lessons-of-Lower-Tax-Rates

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/08/02/pro-growth-tax-cuts-always-create-jobs-msnbc%E2%80%99s-the-ed-show-misrepresents-heritage-position/

New York City's economy has boomed and private sector employment has hit record levels, because of Tax Cuts:

    * Reductions in the City's personal income, sales, business and property taxes have generated more than 80,000 new jobs since 1997, or about one of every four gained by the City during that period;
    * More than 6,500 new jobs will be generated by tax cuts that were included in the City's fiscal 2002 budget but are still awaiting the state Legislature's approval;
    * Nearly 15,000 more jobs could be added to New York's employment base by eliminating what's left of the personal income tax surcharge first adopted by the City a decade ago;
    * Thanks to these additional jobs, New York City's job growth rate exceeded the national average—the first time that has happened during an economic expansion since 1950.

Is THIS what you want from me Lolly?

  The Heritage Foundation, The Heritage Foundation, The Heritage Foundation.  Why don't you bring up some of the other Republican think tanks.  Why don't you find something from the Chamber of Commerces and other Republican funded thinks  tanks.  I wouldn't believe a damn word out of these Republican shills, if their tongues were notarized.  Everything they have to say is for the corporations, the rich and the Republican Party.  All of it is Bull Shit and you know it.  Why don't you bring up some famous statements from Herbert Hoover and some famous statements from George W. Bush that "might" have a little more of a ring of truth.

[Henry Hawk]

Anti- Working man and woman Republican dogma.

Are you serious?..........Troll, I assure you, that I am nothing, but 100%, bleed from the heart, ALL about supporting the Working men and women of the United States.......

Let's get some facts straight first of all.........I am NOT against all unions, I have a very bad taste in my mouth for the UAW though, and I have shared about the first hand corruption that I witnessed....I also, believed that because of the mentality that the UAW bigshots had, is the number one reason WHY Anderson is the town it is today.....

I am NOT a super PRO "big business" supporter.....I honestly do believe that their greed is a major contributor along with the f'd up UAW, as why our auto industry is in the crapper.

I DO still believe that Government is NOT a solution to our problem, they ARE the problem.

I am only a republican by default......I consider myself a "Reagan conservative".....

I am against letting this country become MORE (than it already is) a socialist form of government....

I think we would be fine if we set laws in this country and simply enforced them....enough of the "regulation" bull shit.......

I fully believe that there is "good" and "bad," "right" and "wrong,"......if a Big Corporation does wrong, we need to fine them to the fullest extent.

I think that goes for our immigration issues and every other issue we face.

We did NOT need to redo our Healthcare Industry, we needed to fix a few problems....get the few million that did not have insurance, covered.....but, this government mandated form of HC is wrong and goes against our Constitution, and that is why it is going to be challenged by the SCOTUS...

I am ALL in favor of setting up laws to encourage American made products to be bought and sold here....NAFTA had good intentions, but government could not keep their hands out of it and dicked it all up......We need to rally as Americans and boycott China....

Greed is NOT just a republican thing, Troll............it is rampart all through washington...and the dems have just as much blood on their hands as do the republicans......we have GOT to get back to basics.

I think we need to encourage family values....quit with things like the marriage tax (i call it the marriage penalty)...we have so many laws now that encourages kids to day to NOT get married...we pay some girls pretty good to HAVE babies out of wedlock....this whole entitlement mentality is destroying this nation....kids think they are entitled to a lifestyle that OUR parents busted their ASS off for...Troll, I know that YOU busted your ass off for your retirement years and for your family.....I think the liberals have encouraged our youth to get..."free" this and "free" that.....my son had a friend who has a free ride through college via Pell Grants, because his parents are divorced, and I know they both are faking health injuries to get handicapped "cash and privileges".....and this boy get around $18,000 every year handed to him......My wife and I, bust our asses off, and are paying for our kids to get a better education.....which is the way it SHOULD be....but it makes it awful frustrating to have it shoved in your face.

Troll, you and I, are not that far apart.....we just have very different views on what is best for this country...but I assure you, I bleed red, white and blue.

[Henry Hawk]

  The Heritage Foundation, The Heritage Foundation, The Heritage Foundation.  Why don't you bring up some of the other Republican think tanks.  Why don't you find something from the Chamber of Commerces and other Republican funded thinks  tanks.  I wouldn't believe a damn word out of these Republican shills, if their tongues were notarized.  Everything they have to say is for the corporations, the rich and the Republican Party.  All of it is Bull Shit and you know it.  Why don't you bring up some famous statements from Herbert Hoover and some famous statements from George W. Bush that "might" have a little more of a ring of truth.

They are NOT republican.........they are merely Conservative........that is all.........Troll, I don't trust places like the "chamber of commerce" because they are just as, if not more politically driven, depending on who is in office....they CAN be as corrupt as corrupt can be....and you know this.

I challenge you to prove them (the heritage foundation) wrong, they are a very well written group, with highly intelligent and articulate conservatives...and they supply sources for almost everything they write.

I don't trust MOST of our mainstream media, they are mostly owned and operated by left coast liberals, with an agenda.....I know fox is about the same but on the other side of the pendulum, but believe it or not, I really don't watch all that much of them either......the Heritage foundation and the Cato Institute are some pretty solid conservative think tanks that I take to heart.....other than that, it is word of mouth and life experiences that make me conservative and that process my thoughts into what they are.

[LOsborne]

Our county/city, has lost businesses to another county/city, because of a lower tax rate in the other county/city,  and businesses that the state were trying to attract have chosen states with lower taxes rather than coming here. 

Specific companies, please? And the state losing companies that were planning to build somewhere choosing another state does not fit the criteria of existing companies upping stakes.

Toyota chose Indiana about 12 years ago, for a new plant, but it did not close an existing plant to do so.

[LOsborne]

I challenge you to prove them (the heritage foundation) wrong, they are a very well written group, with highly intelligent and articulate conservatives...and they supply sources for almost everything they write.

Try this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59539-2005Apr16.html

The Heritage Foundation is no more unbiased, or free from self-interested shenanigans than any other group feeding into and off of the political marketplace.

But I will accept your first two links for at least showing the sources behind the conclusion. Well done. The third one is a blog, and therefore suspect.

[LOsborne]

Are you serious?..........Troll, I assure you, that I am nothing, but 100%, bleed from the heart, ALL about supporting the Working men and women of the United States.......

Let's get some facts straight first of all.........I am NOT against all unions, I have a very bad taste in my mouth for the UAW though, and I have shared about the first hand corruption that I witnessed....I also, believed that because of the mentality that the UAW bigshots had, is the number one reason WHY Anderson is the town it is today.....

I am NOT a super PRO "big business" supporter.....I honestly do believe that their greed is a major contributor along with the f'd up UAW, as why our auto industry is in the crapper.

I DO still believe that Government is NOT a solution to our problem, they ARE the problem.

I am only a republican by default......I consider myself a "Reagan conservative".....

I am against letting this country become MORE (than it already is) a socialist form of government....

I think we would be fine if we set laws in this country and simply enforced them....enough of the "regulation" bull shit.......

I fully believe that there is "good" and "bad," "right" and "wrong,"......if a Big Corporation does wrong, we need to fine them to the fullest extent.

I think that goes for our immigration issues and every other issue we face.

We did NOT need to redo our Healthcare Industry, we needed to fix a few problems....get the few million that did not have insurance, covered.....but, this government mandated form of HC is wrong and goes against our Constitution, and that is why it is going to be challenged by the SCOTUS...

I am ALL in favor of setting up laws to encourage American made products to be bought and sold here....NAFTA had good intentions, but government could not keep their hands out of it and dicked it all up......We need to rally as Americans and boycott China....

Greed is NOT just a republican thing, Troll............it is rampart all through washington...and the dems have just as much blood on their hands as do the republicans......we have GOT to get back to basics.

I think we need to encourage family values....quit with things like the marriage tax (i call it the marriage penalty)...we have so many laws now that encourages kids to day to NOT get married...we pay some girls pretty good to HAVE babies out of wedlock....this whole entitlement mentality is destroying this nation....kids think they are entitled to a lifestyle that OUR parents busted their ASS off for...Troll, I know that YOU busted your ass off for your retirement years and for your family.....I think the liberals have encouraged our youth to get..."free" this and "free" that.....my son had a friend who has a free ride through college via Pell Grants, because his parents are divorced, and I know they both are faking health injuries to get handicapped "cash and privileges".....and this boy get around $18,000 every year handed to him......My wife and I, bust our asses off, and are paying for our kids to get a better education.....which is the way it SHOULD be....but it makes it awful frustrating to have it shoved in your face.

Troll, you and I, are not that far apart.....we just have very different views on what is best for this country...but I assure you, I bleed red, white and blue.

Good post, Henry. I agree with quite a bit of it. However, I distinguish between "government" and "politicians."

[Sandy Eggo]

By what criteria?

I dunno, but that's where he claims to get most of his information. *shrug*

I am no longer looking for a debate.....I'm through with that.....no longer interested.......I may from time to time post something that I think is interesting.....I have MY very solid and formulated opinion, based upon things I read, watch and listen too, and from what I see first hand....but, mostly I get my opinion based upon common sense.....

http://theunknownzone.us/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=38;area=showposts;start=15

[The Troll]

  Henry Hawk, I got to say one thing, your sure one hell of a scrapper.  Everytime I think I got down for the three count, you weasel your way out.       

[me]

Specific companies, please? And the state losing companies that were planning to build somewhere choosing another state does not fit the criteria of existing companies upping stakes.

Toyota chose Indiana about 12 years ago, for a new plant, but it did not close an existing plant to do so.

AT&T moved from where I live to another city a few years back because the taxes were lower there as did the gas company.