Democrats SUCK!!

[Palehorse]

Recent developments within the United States have given me reason for concern surrounding the motives of some of our elected officials; moreover, they have given me reason to question just what it is the suddenly imperative initiatives of the conservative factions of our political "machines" hope to achieve!

I am talking specifically about this sudden need to tear down the contracts of bargaining units in Wisconsin, Indiana, and Ohio. These initiatives bring to mind the communist struggles with Solidarity that Polish workers endured in the 80's. 

Do states suddenly feel that they are somehow morally right to impose that type of adversarial relationship between state government and individual taxpayers, and if so why?

These various contracts that were signed by all parties concerned and should be legally binding are now, if the states are to be believed, somehow "negotiable" despite the language that binds all parties concerned?

Yes, it is true that all states are struggling, just as the majority of their citizens are; financially everyone has fallen upon hard times, except for the newest citizens recognized by our constitution, the corporation.

The corporate climate is increasingly becoming profitable at record levels within a broad spectrum of industries, and thanks to the "legal loopholes" surrounding taxation of those profits, there is no hope of these profits being of any assistance to the states surrounding any proportional increase in revenues coming from these same corporations. Our local, state, and federal governmental leadership sold us out to the mighty corporations through the years, slowly so as not to draw undue attention from the unwary taxpayers while they toiled at their trades. Until that is, those same "loopholes" provided an escape hatch through which those corporations could flee the confines of our country and still realize record levels of profits within its boarders.  Then, suddenly those citizens found themselves unable to find work because the work was in another country; and despite this there was still a major sector of the people who maintained that high level of trust in our government to allow it to stay the course, and to speak out in support of it.

Now, we have paid government leadership and legislators fleeing their respective states in order to prevent a vote on legislation that in no uncertain terms seeks to break the bargaining power of labor unions, in some cases mid-contract, and further erode at the rights of workers in various states, thereby increasing the profits of the corporations toward even higher levels, while reaching with both hands into the wallets of private citizens.

Some leadership within our various local, state, and federal government wanted to regulate the health care insurance industry and put forth a bill to reign in the skyrocketing costs and heavy handed administration of healthcare by these companies, but the fear mongering of those amongst leadership who currently enjoy personal, material benefits from those same insurance companies succeeded in efficiently removing anything within that legislation that would negatively impact them personally. And still, the sheep amongst the great flock of this nation bleated in blind unison with those evil shepherds and refused to listen to reason.

Should these current initiatives to reduce the power of the bargaining unit be successful, those same healthcare companies will join the local and state governments in reaching into our wallets with both hands, leaving each one of us with a substantially smaller amount to show for our individual efforts, and further reducing our ability to provide for ourselves and our families a life that is better than the one our ancestors enjoyed.

The great propaganda machine that is our political representation will vilify those amongst them who dare to act boldly in an effort to protect those of us who elected them, and in the end the corporations will win another victory unless the sheep have their blindfolds removed and are shown the true reality of what is happening in this nation today.

While I have not traditionally been a supporter of the union faction within industry, there is no denying that without them the corporate world will effectively be capable of enslaving every single individual within this country who is not independently wealthy, and they will!

Abuses have taken place on both sides of the fence, that much is historically true. And the SCOTUS decision granting corporation constitutional rights without the requirement that they operate within those same rights, is in itself a stark reminder that even the wise fools on the hill have become under the influence of the mighty corporation already.  And now, we see our state governments "giving away the store" to the mighty corporation, and supporting efforts that undermine the citizens individual rights further by supporting legislation that brings to mind the communist struggle with Solidarity.

It is time to remove the "at will" status of every state that endorses such status for its citizens, and impose legislation that protects each citizen from the corporate greed and abuses that are clearly taking place. It is time to restore the "good faith" in the bargaining process and enforce laws that protect workers instead of the corporations.  It is time that corporations shoulder their fair share of the burden that is our government, and if they are to be granted constitutional rights that they be legally bound to operate within them as well!

Our government is now facing the fruits of their less than admirable treatment of its citizens and its pandering to the mighty corporation, in the form of a greatly reduced revenue stream, and they are seeking to place a greater burden upon the backs of the average citizen in order to enable them to conduct business as usual. Well, that's not acceptable to anyone. For years now an increasing portion of the citizens of this country have seen their quality of life erode, and many of them to the point where they find themselves unable to provide for themselves and their families any longer.

We have had to reduce our budgets to the point of near starvation in some cases, forsake our 401k's  in order to survive, and make the hard choices between gambling $1500 a month for COBRA or risking a health crises that will kill us, and choosing to starve instead,  and yet our local government has done none of these, choosing  to increase the burden upon those of us who can afford it the least.

It is time to pay the piper and they are looking to us to foot the bill for their irresponsibility and abuses.  Tighten your belts ladies and gentlemen, we are going to be raped yet again!   

[The Troll]

Actually, I have a very good sense of humor. I just take exception to the way you spelled America. That spelling is used as a derogotory term towards our country and is used by people who hate America.

The spelling is also the German spelling and is used to imply that America is sinking into facism or nazism.

  Sense of humor, I don't know yet, I haven't seen any.  But you're sure are wrong on everything else you said.   But saying that someone hates America just because the way they spell it, is really streeeeeeeeeeeeching it.  About hating American, you are wrong on Palehorse and me.  Oh, by the way how much time have you served in the service of your country like in the armed forces.  PH and I have.  Just like to know where you're coming from.  Mouth or experience. 

  Using words like facism and nazism means to me is that you are a Glen Beck watcher and student of his blackboard talks    Damn Fox New has so many good and truthful show on it. 

[Nighthawk]

  Oh Boy, this is going to be fun.   Trying to correct people on spelling and punctuation and how they use a word.  Everything you write better be perfect, no typos either.  Because "you" must be perfect in everything you do.   

Have all the fum you want because obviously the point of my remark was completely lost on you. Go figure.

  But even I know what he meant by spelling CORPORATE AMERIKA,  sorta like the iron hand of Communist Russia.

  If you don't have a contract with a company or they fire you for something you didn't do and you can prove it your ass is grass.  Because if you get your job back the relationship with the business is so poisoned so bad your job will still disappear.

  I know one woman was fired for stealing a $100 bill, come to find out the manager had set her up by slipping the bill under the cash drawer.  The Dollar Store company investigated and found the $100 bill and the manager was fired.  The manager forgot about the over head camera.  The woman got her job back and got a raise.  The Dollar Store is a good employer.

Dollar General is a 'good' employer?? Seems they do much the same as the big evil corporations do that you hate:

http://www.towardfreedom.com/global-news/2249-dollar-stores-top-link-in-the-sweatshop-chain

Over 750 overtime cases pending. Hmmm.

  "I am not a Republican"   From what I read so far you sure are missing your calling.  If it talks like a Republican, looks like a Republican and walks like a Republican, it must be a Republican.  Welcome Mr. Republican

  Over the years I have found most anti-union people don't know what their talking about, got most of their information from scabs or from pro corporations news sources like for one, Fox News, The Republican Party and Anti-union websites.  They have never belonged to a good union and never read a good book on the good things unions have done for the America worker and the American middle class.    Unions   and every other day in America. 

I stand behind my statement that I am not a republican. I do not vote strictly party. I vote for who I think is the best for the job.

As I stated before, I have belonged to unions (IBEW and USW) I also grew up in a union household (UAW) but you go ahead and continue to believe that anyone who knocks unions don't know what they are talking about. Also, as I stated before, I agree that unions have done good for the working class but their usefullness is over and they have become just as corrupt, or even more so, than the corporations you hate.

[The Troll]

  There you go supposing something you don't know.  I don't hate corporations.  They are Godless entities with no morals, no conscience, no loyalty to America and only worship the bottom line.  They are doing what they are designed to do.  We do need them, but they must be controlled or they will destroy the human race.  If they have total power, American will no longer exist as you or I know it.  It will be a slave world.  It would be just like what Hitler wanted to do the Russia if he had won the war.  You surely understand that.  Don't you?  They must be controlled.

  This you state that unions have out lived the usefullness, you must be brain dead to believe that.  Who's going to represent the people.  The bought congress in the state houses and Washington sure hasn't protected the American people lately.  Hell, the Chinese people are getting better breaks from our government than us.  When are you and you young people wake up and smell the rot the corporations and the Republican Party is putting on the Americans.  You're totally blind and no sense of smell. 

  But what really get me is you, Henry and  old, old "ME" doesn't get it and see it.  It's just like your guys are blind to what is going on.       

[The Troll]

  Hawk the website you present to show how bad the Dollar Store was, I would like for you do do the same thing with Walmart, Lowes, Home depot and many other corporations.  All I know is they treated my daughter-in-law very fairly and she has stated many time how she like working there, other than the low pay.  Which is going to happen to every worker here in the United States as we go down to meet the wages of China, Mexico, India and all of the other undeveloped country.  Your can count on that.  Can't you see it coming.  It's already happening and you want to kill the unions.  Go figure. 

[me]

  Hawk the website you present to show how bad the Dollar Store was, I would like for you do do the same thing with Walmart, Lowes, Home depot and many other corporations.  All I know is they treated my daughter-in-law very fairly and she has stated many time how she like working there, other than the low pay.  Which is going to happen to every worker here in the United States as we go down to meet the wages of China, Mexico, India and all of the other undeveloped country.  Your can count on that.  Can't you see it coming.  It's already happening and you want to kill the unions.  Go figure. 

Oh but China does have a union Troll.  Read up on it.

[The Troll]

Oh but China does have a union Troll.  Read up on it.

  Go suck an egg, you have tried to put that before.  It's all bullshit.  Unions in a Communist Country?  Give me a break.  Those unions are run and controlled by the government.  Let one worker deify them and that person disappears forever.

  You have all this bullshit information.  Tell of great uniion brain.  Who going to stand up for the American workers when the union are gone.  Right now in Wisconsin the  Republican control the state house and what do they want to do.  They want to destroy the unions.  So who is going to stand up for the American worker, "ME". 

                                                                   

[Nighthawk]

  Hawk the website you present to show how bad the Dollar Store was, I would like for you do do the same thing with Walmart, Lowes, Home depot and many other corporations.  All I know is they treated my daughter-in-law very fairly and she has stated many time how she like working there, other than the low pay.  Which is going to happen to every worker here in the United States as we go down to meet the wages of China, Mexico, India and all of the other undeveloped country.  Your can count on that.  Can't you see it coming.  It's already happening and you want to kill the unions.  Go figure. 

Why? You stated that the Dollar Store was a good employer based on the experience of one person. I showed you that they have the same problems as Wal-Mart, Lowes. Home Depot, etc. as does any corporation when they get that large. People differ from store to store as does management. I could tell you that Wal-Mart and Lowes are good places to work based on my local stores but that is hardly representative of the whole corporation.

[Nighthawk]

What does it matter whether or not I have served in the military or what my age is or what my experiences are? Does this somehow negate my comments? Takes a pretty narrow mind to dismiss someones opinions based solely on your preconcieved notion of what makes someone qualified to comment.

Oh, and by the way, I don't like Glen Beck.

[The Troll]

What does it matter whether or not I have served in the military or what my age is or what my experiences are? Does this somehow negate my comments? Takes a pretty narrow mind to dismiss someones opinions based solely on your preconcieved notion of what makes someone qualified to comment.

Oh, and by the way, I don't like Glen Beck.

  It proves one thing.  You didn't have the balls to serve in the military.  Plain and simple fact means you don't have the right to call a man to has given his time and energy to serve in the United States military a Nazi, a Fascist or a person who hates America.  Just because he spelled America, Amerika.  You should be a shamed of yourself.

  Just who where the two companies did you put you time in (I won't say work) that was union.  The ones that shut down because no one would work.  But then again you may be bad luck to the companies that hired you.

  I just don't know where you are coming from.  Raised in a UAW Union family means you have advantages that no other kid had and who ever worked under the UAW contract, mom or dad certainly had it better than most workers with pay and benefits, working conditions and you bitch about the union.  What's the fuck wrong with you.

   You tell all corporation treat some of their workers badly and wrongly and you don't like unions.  I want to ask you one question and I want a simple answer and not a whole lot of dogma and bullshit. 

  Just who is going to stand up for the middle class and the American working men and women.  The Republicans, the Tea Party, the Corporations or the Unions.  You surly have an answer for this simple question.

[Nighthawk]

  It proves one thing.  You didn't have the balls to serve in the military.  Plain and simple fact means you don't have the right to call a man to has given his time and energy to serve in the United States military a Nazi, a Fascist or a person who hates America.  Just because he spelled America, Amerika.  You should be a shamed of yourself.

You just proved that you jump to conclusions without the facts. For your information you self rightous pinhead, I did serve in the military. I spent 5 years in the Navy. Even if I didn't serve I still have the right to speak my mind. Our constitution gives me that right. Oh, I forgot, you libs tend to forget about that little piece of paper when it's inconvenient to your goals.

  Just who where the two companies did you put you time in (I won't say work) that was union.  The ones that shut down because no one would work.  But then again you may be bad luck to the companies that hired you.

  I just don't know where you are coming from.  Raised in a UAW Union family means you have advantages that no other kid had and who ever worked under the UAW contract, mom or dad certainly had it better than most workers with pay and benefits, working conditions and you bitch about the union.  What's the fuck wrong with you.

Again you pass judgement without the facts. Who do you think you are to insult my work ethic? You just proved with this little rant of yours that you don't know me. But, to let you know I work a full time job and am one of their best workers and I also run my own computer consulting business on the side.
My dad one time when the union was on strike figured it up. By the time the strike was over and counting the benifits and pay raise the union 'negotiated' he would have to work 2 years to make up the pay he lost while on strike. Not much of a deal there.

   You tell all corporation treat some of their workers badly and wrongly and you don't like unions.  I want to ask you one question and I want a simple answer and not a whole lot of dogma and bullshit. 

  Just who is going to stand up for the middle class and the American working men and women.  The Republicans, the Tea Party, the Corporations or the Unions.  You surly have an answer for this simple question.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said all corporations treat their employees badly. Go back and read it again.

In reality, the middle class and American working men and women need to learn to stand up for themselves. No one group can decide what is best for me. That is why I vote, that is why I write my congress men and women, That is why I voice my opinion whenever possible.

[The Troll]

You just proved that you jump to conclusions without the facts. For your information you self rightous pinhead, I did serve in the military. I spent 5 years in the Navy. Even if I didn't serve I still have the right to speak my mind. Our constitution gives me that right. Oh, I forgot, you libs tend to forget about that little piece of paper when it's inconvenient to your goals.

Again you pass judgement without the facts. Who do you think you are to insult my work ethic? You just proved with this little rant of yours that you don't know me. But, to let you know I work a full time job and am one of their best workers and I also run my own computer consulting business on the side.
My dad one time when the union was on strike figured it up. By the time the strike was over and counting the benefits and pay raise the union 'negotiated' he would have to work 2 years to make up the pay he lost while on strike. Not much of a deal there.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said all corporations treat their employees badly. Go back and read it again.

In reality, the middle class and American working men and women need to learn to stand up for themselves. No one group can decide what is best for me. That is why I vote, that is why I write my congress men and women, That is why I voice my opinion whenever possible.

  Let's see, first of all you didn't answer any of the questions.  Who going to stand up for the working people, the unions, the Democrats, the Republicans, the Teabaggers, with Bachman as leader or the corporations.  Are you saying that an individual can stand by him of herself in front of a government, corporation and bargain for his or her rights and working conditions and pay.   Well guess who's the real "pin head".

  Still would like to know what the two companies and (unions you belong to).  Or were you a salary worker.  The more I hear from you, you and the other Hawk are brothers.  Both white collars working the electronic field and dads were blue collar  UAW union men and were able to pay to give you guys a higher standard of living and to help educate their baby boys so they wouldn't have to get dirty and hurt themselves working in some dirty, noisy, oily factory.  Good old dad did it for you guys and they did it with the help of the UAW.  I can't really see them standing up to the company by themselves.  With little junior sucking up the union benefits. 

  You say it took good old dad two years to get back the money he lost in a strike.  Wow.  I worked for Ford Motor Co. 37 years.  I went through 3 strikes.  Guess what, I got back way more than I lost, just in medical benefits.  Plus just look what the young people got who came after me.  My dad was a GM worker and I can remember the long, long time he was on strike in 1946 and how he worked part time jobs to feed us and we had meat once a week during that strike.  Just think how many young men and women benefited from that strike.  Baby boy you don't know shit about life.    Benefits gained in a strike helps the striker and all of the people that follow.  Without the unions, all of them, there would be no middle class and you don't understand that.  

  I just loved how you said, "You Libs don't know anything about the Constitution"  My god you must be a Teabagger a Teabagger with his head up his ass.  Don't you or do you Remember how George W. and Prick Cheney broke Constitutional rights one after one after one.  Where you then when this was going on.  Oh, forgot your  head was up you ass.

  You say you vote, wow I thought that is what all Americans are suppose to do.  Write your Senators and Representives  counting on one hand, how many letter have you written, not counting emails.  And who would you write to.  Lugar, Coats, Pence, Burton all who have been boughten.  Coates a guy who made just a little less that a million dollars a year who had to come back to Indiana to buy a house so he could run.  A millionaire lobbyist.  Yeah, like writting them a letter would mean anything.  Nice try.      I got to say one thing talking to you is like beating a dead horse.

  Especially a Teabagger

  Oh, one more thing, in your post  you said selfrighteous pinhead.  Well you misspelled righteous and selfrighteous is one word and so is pinhead.  Must be perfect  you know.  when you're calling names. 

[me]

  Go suck an egg, you have tried to put that before.  It's all bullshit.  Unions in a Communist Country?  Give me a break.  Those unions are run and controlled by the government.  Let one worker deify them and that person disappears forever.

  You have all this bullshit information.  Tell of great uniion brain.  Who going to stand up for the American workers when the union are gone.  Right now in Wisconsin the  Republican control the state house and what do they want to do.  They want to destroy the unions.  So who is going to stand up for the American worker, "ME". 

                                                                   

Are you familiar with the SEIU Troll?  Were you for card check?

[The Troll]

Are you familiar with the SEIU Troll?  Were you for card check?

   Certainly,  why not.  Why would anyone be a against it.  It would certainly increase unionization of a lot of scab business that are abusing their employees.

  For one I would love to see Walmart unionized.  Their employees sure need the help.  But I suppose you're against it.  But then I can't see why someone who is not connected to a business would want to keep those workers down.  Like the old saying, it's no skin off your nose.  But you're probably for the governor in Wisconsin to want to take union rights from the teachers.

  What more can I say.  Your just against middle class workers rights.  Why?  Who knows, it must be for some sick reason.

[me]

   Certainly,  why not.  Why would anyone be a against it.  It would certainly increase unionization of a lot of scab business that are abusing their employees.

  For one I would love to see Walmart unionized.  Their employees sure need the help.  But I suppose you're against it.  But then I can't see why someone who is not connected to a business would want to keep those workers down.  Like the old saying, it's no skin off your nose.  But you're probably for the governor in Wisconsin to want to take union rights from the teachers.

  What more can I say.  Your just against middle class workers rights.  Why?  Who knows, it must be for some sick reason.

So you're all for being forced to be in a union whether you want to or not then?  Am I understanding you right?