Democrats SUCK!!

[The Troll]

Nighthawk,  THAT was said excellent!!!...Nice Job!  I have not been able to say what you have stated, so elequently.

  Nighthhawk meet your fellow anti-union buddy Henry Hawk and you will meet your triplet "ME" anti-union to the marrow of their bones.  I am quit sure you will work together in what I call the Scab Condition.

  like "ME" she thinks that eventho Walmart the largest corporation in America who has the largest work force.  Walmart has a turn over of around 52% of their employees due to firings and quits, plus some of the industries lowest wages.  "ME" thinks these people don't deserve a union.  So they will think you will fit right in.  Good Luck.   

[Nighthawk]

OK, I understand now. This is why we need unions.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/04/connecticut-town-ordered-pay-union-workers-coffee/

So every worker in America can have their free coffee and milk and not have to dress nicely on Fridays. 

If this was such a big deal and the coffee is as cheap as the union nitwit says then how about taking some of that dues money and supply the coffee and milk??

[Palehorse]

Good luck trying to enforce those labor laws in Indiana pal. And good luck trying to hold an employer accountable when they fire you without cause in Indiana. . .

You keep chugging that kool aid. . .

And if you think for one second that filing an injunction for a stay is going to stop this union busting crap they are trying to jam down our throats, you are beyond a lost cause. . .

This thing passes against state workers, private industry in this state will be stampeding to do the same. . .

Oh no. . . another Faux News junkie!  Next you're going to tell us you worship at the altar of Queen Pay-Lynn! 

[The Troll]

OK, I understand now. This is why we need unions.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/04/connecticut-town-ordered-pay-union-workers-coffee/

So every worker in America can have their free coffee and milk and not have to dress nicely on Fridays. 

If this was such a big deal and the coffee is as cheap as the union nitwit says then how about taking some of that dues money and supply the coffee and milk??

  What have you proved, other than you watch and listen to FOX NEWS and you have a closed mind.  I have gotten to the place to where I don't give a damn what you Republicans say or believe.  I wouldn't believe any thing you say even if your tongue was notarized.

[me]

Good luck trying to enforce those labor laws in Indiana pal. And good luck trying to hold an employer accountable when they fire you without cause in Indiana. . .

You keep chugging that kool aid. . .

And if you think for one second that filing an injunction for a stay is going to stop this union busting crap they are trying to jam down our throats, you are beyond a lost cause. . .

This thing passes against state workers, private industry in this state will be stampeding to do the same. . .

Oh no. . . another Faux News junkie!  Next you're going to tell us you worship at the altar of Queen Pay-Lynn! 

I beg to differ on the laws in Indiana not working.  Where my daughter was working a few years ago some people who were fired for a valid reason went to a lawyer who filed suit in their behalf and the company proved why they were fired and still had to pay back pay and take them back.  Of course they got fired again because they still didn't show up, showed up late, and didn't do their job but the law does work.  The company closed its doors about 3yrs ago.  Oh and Troll, it was a non union place and they were paid very well and had excellent benefits.

[The Troll]

I beg to differ on the laws in Indiana not working.  Where my daughter was working a few years ago some people who were fired for a valid reason went to a lawyer who filed suit in their behalf and the company proved why they were fired and still had to pay back pay and take them back.  Of course they got fired again because they still didn't show up, showed up late, and didn't do their job but the law does work.  The company closed its doors about 3yrs ago.  Oh and Troll, it was a non union place and they were paid very well and had excellent benefits.

  Most places that pay high wages and have good working conditions want good workers and want to keep an union out.  You can count on that.  I sure would like to read the court case on that little deal your daughter and her friends pulled.  Since they didn't go back more of less proves they weren't worth a damn as workers to start off with.

[Palehorse]

I beg to differ on the laws in Indiana not working.  Where my daughter was working a few years ago some people who were fired for a valid reason went to a lawyer who filed suit in their behalf and the company proved why they were fired and still had to pay back pay and take them back.  Of course they got fired again because they still didn't show up, showed up late, and didn't do their job but the law does work.  The company closed its doors about 3yrs ago.  Oh and Troll, it was a non union place and they were paid very well and had excellent benefits.

You can beg all you want, but the reality is the average worker who gets fired in this state cannot afford an attorney and the corporate world damned well knows it. Trying to enforce labor laws in this state is akin to pulling your own teeth with a set of pliers, and in the lions share of cases the fired employee cannot even collect unemployment until they appeal, and then have to wait 90 days or more for a hearing to which the employer more often than not doesn't show up. . . Then, and only then, will they be able to collect unemployment.

And with Indiana's "at will" status, trying to demonstrate that you were fired without just cause is akin to awaiting the second coming of the Christ. In this state they don't have to have a reason. They do whatever they want, when they want, and if you cannot afford an attorney you are SOL. Period.

If you work for minimum wages you are toast no matter how you look at it.

Before I was moved to Indiana I hated unions and held opinions close to those expressed by Nighthawk surrounding them. Indiana changed my mind and in a real hurry. I have seen first hand how the "at will" status stacks the deck against any worker who is not under the mantle of a union collective bargaining agreement. (And I work for the other side). I have seen the approach this status enables employers to assume, and they do so with gusto whenever they decide and to whomever they decide to.

That status enables corporate Amerika to downsize by eliminating individuals who have toiled their entire lives for a chosen company, and cast them out as if they were a steaming pile of dog excrement.  And it doesn't matter if they are esteemed and respected professionals within their industry either. If you've been there 10-20 years, never missed a day, and your work is the best in the field, they'll cut you quicker than you can blink, and don't have to give a reason. I've seen it done over and over and over again in this state. And when the big dog barks you jump or risk being bitten yourself.

And the next day they'll have some wet behind the ears college graduate in your place for 1/4 the salary too. And the only thing you can do is be pissed off about it in this state. Anyone who doesn't believe that and lives in this state is either a business owner, or the next victim waiting to happen.

The at will status of this state nurtures the union environment simply because the corporations doing business within it abuse the hell out of anyone not covered by a collective bargaining agreement. Any company not covered by such will simply produce a dog and pony show by syaing they have a progressive line of discipline program, and performance improvement plans, all of which is nothing more than a paper tiger. They rarely if ever use it, and when they do it is typically rift with manufactured "evidence" and exaggerated "facts" that are no more than lies spun to represent the truth they want it to.

And on top of this the state labor board is a joke, because the first thing they'll ask you for is proof you were unjustly terminated, and with at will status that allows termination for no reason and allows corporations to terminate without providing a reason, that is impossible to do. Unless you fall into a "protected class" surrounding race, gender, sexual orientation, or physical handicap, you are SOL. I'd say age, but proving age discrimination is just as impossible.

I dare say that in the case you quoted the attorney made out like a bandit, because s.he either got paid up front, or took all of any award the plaintiffs were provided with as remedy.

Corporate Amerika has become lazy in states that carry at will status. They realize that they don't have to go through the progressive line of discipline, they don't have to enforce performance improvement plans in order to build a case strong enough to justify termination. So they don't. And because of the laziness this nurtures, management on the front lines of labor do nothing to correct bad behavior or performance until it becomes so habitual that it negatively reflects upon them. Then they make a half hearted attempt to rehabilitate what they allowed to become a hard case, and upper management decides to just cut them loose because it is going to require "too much effort" to implement a policy to correct a behavior and administer it fairly and consistently, and its the quicker fix to just fire them because it requires substantially less effort and paperwork.

[me]

  Most places that pay high wages and have good working conditions want good workers and want to keep an union out.  You can count on that.  I sure would like to read the court case on that little deal your daughter and her friends pulled.  Since they didn't go back more of less proves they weren't worth a damn as workers to start off with.

Uh, you'd better read what I wrote again.  My daughter had nothing to do with what went on she worked where it happened. 

[Nighthawk]

  What have you proved, other than you watch and listen to FOX NEWS and you have a closed mind.  I have gotten to the place to where I don't give a damn what you Republicans say or believe.  I wouldn't believe any thing you say even if your tongue was notarized.

The only thing I was out to "prove" as you say, is that this, coffee and milk, is about the last thing unions have to fight for.

Why should it matter if the story came from Fox News? Talk about close minded, you libs dismiss anything from Fox out of hand just because it is from them.

Good job. Never seen someone other than a politician call a whole group of people liars with so many words. Oh, and for the record, I am not a Republican. I have no political affilliation except for myself and what I believe.

[Nighthawk]

You can beg all you want, but the reality is the average worker who gets fired in this state cannot afford an attorney and the corporate world damned well knows it. Trying to enforce labor laws in this state is akin to pulling your own teeth with a set of pliers, and in the lions share of cases the fired employee cannot even collect unemployment until they appeal, and then have to wait 90 days or more for a hearing to which the employer more often than not doesn't show up. . . Then, and only then, will they be able to collect unemployment.

And with Indiana's "at will" status, trying to demonstrate that you were fired without just cause is akin to awaiting the second coming of the Christ. In this state they don't have to have a reason. They do whatever they want, when they want, and if you cannot afford an attorney you are SOL. Period.

If you work for minimum wages you are toast no matter how you look at it.

Before I was moved to Indiana I hated unions and held opinions close to those expressed by Nighthawk surrounding them. Indiana changed my mind and in a real hurry. I have seen first hand how the "at will" status stacks the deck against any worker who is not under the mantle of a union collective bargaining agreement. (And I work for the other side). I have seen the approach this status enables employers to assume, and they do so with gusto whenever they decide and to whomever they decide to.

That status enables corporate Amerika to downsize by eliminating individuals who have toiled their entire lives for a chosen company, and cast them out as if they were a steaming pile of dog excrement.  And it doesn't matter if they are esteemed and respected professionals within their industry either. If you've been there 10-20 years, never missed a day, and your work is the best in the field, they'll cut you quicker than you can blink, and don't have to give a reason. I've seen it done over and over and over again in this state. And when the big dog barks you jump or risk being bitten yourself.

And the next day they'll have some wet behind the ears college graduate in your place for 1/4 the salary too. And the only thing you can do is be pissed off about it in this state. Anyone who doesn't believe that and lives in this state is either a business owner, or the next victim waiting to happen.

The at will status of this state nurtures the union environment simply because the corporations doing business within it abuse the hell out of anyone not covered by a collective bargaining agreement. Any company not covered by such will simply produce a dog and pony show by syaing they have a progressive line of discipline program, and performance improvement plans, all of which is nothing more than a paper tiger. They rarely if ever use it, and when they do it is typically rift with manufactured "evidence" and exaggerated "facts" that are no more than lies spun to represent the truth they want it to.

And on top of this the state labor board is a joke, because the first thing they'll ask you for is proof you were unjustly terminated, and with at will status that allows termination for no reason and allows corporations to terminate without providing a reason, that is impossible to do. Unless you fall into a "protected class" surrounding race, gender, sexual orientation, or physical handicap, you are SOL. I'd say age, but proving age discrimination is just as impossible.

I dare say that in the case you quoted the attorney made out like a bandit, because s.he either got paid up front, or took all of any award the plaintiffs were provided with as remedy.

Corporate Amerika has become lazy in states that carry at will status. They realize that they don't have to go through the progressive line of discipline, they don't have to enforce performance improvement plans in order to build a case strong enough to justify termination. So they don't. And because of the laziness this nurtures, management on the front lines of labor do nothing to correct bad behavior or performance until it becomes so habitual that it negatively reflects upon them. Then they make a half hearted attempt to rehabilitate what they allowed to become a hard case, and upper management decides to just cut them loose because it is going to require "too much effort" to implement a policy to correct a behavior and administer it fairly and consistently, and its the quicker fix to just fire them because it requires substantially less effort and paperwork.

Believe it or not I do agree with most of what you say about the "at will" status of Indiana. But, most, if not all of the professionals that you speak of would be salaried and never be a member of the union anyway. As I stated before, the only ones the unions protect are the dregs. The ones who are a drain on the company and the honest workers there These are also the ones keeping a good worker unemployed and preventing the company from being able to hire good workers to keep themselves afloat.

Like "Me" I have seen the laws here work and people successfully sue companies for wrongful termination.

And one more thing. America is spelled with a "C" not a "K". You are a citizen of the United States and as such should show more respect for your, and my, country by spelling the name of it correctly.

[Palehorse]

. . .

And one more thing. America is spelled with a "C" not a "K". You are a citizen of the United States and as such should show more respect for your, and my, country by spelling the name of it correctly.

Apparently you lack a sense of humor as well. . .

[Palehorse]

Believe it or not I do agree with most of what you say about the "at will" status of Indiana. But, most, if not all of the professionals that you speak of would be salaried and never be a member of the union anyway. As I stated before, the only ones the unions protect are the dregs. The ones who are a drain on the company and the honest workers there These are also the ones keeping a good worker unemployed and preventing the company from being able to hire good workers to keep themselves afloat.

Like "Me" I have seen the laws here work and people successfully sue companies for wrongful termination.

And one more thing. America is spelled with a "C" not a "K". You are a citizen of the United States and as such should show more respect for your, and my, country by spelling the name of it correctly.

International Astronomical Union
International Brain Research Organization
International Geographical Union
International Mathematical Union
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Society for Photogrammetry and Remote Sensing
International Union of Anthropological and Ethnological Sciences
International Union of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
International Union of Biological Sciences
International Union of Crystallography
International Union of Food Science and Technology
International Union of Forest Research Organizations
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Geological Sciences
International Union of History and Philosophy of Science
International Union of Immunological Societies
International Union of Materials Research Societies
International Union of Microbiological Societies
International Union of Nutritional Sciences
International Union for Pure and Applied Biophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
International Union for Physical and Engineering Sciences in Medicine
International Union of Basic and Clinical Pharmacology
International Union of Physiological Sciences
International Union of Psychological Science
International Union of Soil Sciences
International Union of Theoretical and Applied Mechanics
International Union of Toxicology
Union Radio Scientifique Internationale

[The Troll]

Believe it or not I do agree with most of what you say about the "at will" status of Indiana. But, most, if not all of the professionals that you speak of would be salaried and never be a member of the union anyway. As I stated before, the only ones the unions protect are the dregs. The ones who are a drain on the company and the honest workers there These are also the ones keeping a good worker unemployed and preventing the company from being able to hire good workers to keep themselves afloat.

Like "Me" I have seen the laws here work and people successfully sue companies for wrongful termination.

And one more thing. America is spelled with a "C" not a "K". You are a citizen of the United States and as such should show more respect for your, and my, country by spelling the name of it correctly.

  Oh Boy, this is going to be fun.   Trying to correct people on spelling and punctuation and how they use a word.  Everything you write better be perfect, no typos either.  Because "you" must be perfect in everything you do.   

  But even I know what he meant by spelling CORPORATE AMERIKA,  sorta like the iron hand of Communist Russia.

  If you don't have a contract with a company or they fire you for something you didn't do and you can prove it your ass is grass.  Because if you get your job back the relationship with the business is so poisoned so bad your job will still disappear.

  I know one woman was fired for stealing a $100 bill, come to find out the manager had set her up by slipping the bill under the cash drawer.  The Dollar Store company investigated and found the $100 bill and the manager was fired.  The manager forgot about the over head camera.  The woman got her job back and got a raise.  The Dollar Store is a good employer.

  "I am not a Republican"   From what I read so far you sure are missing your calling.  If it talks like a Republican, looks like a Republican and walks like a Republican, it must be a Republican.  Welcome Mr. Republican

  Over the years I have found most anti-union people don't know what their talking about, got most of their information from scabs or from pro corporations news sources like for one, Fox News, The Republican Party and Anti-union websites.  They have never belonged to a good union and never read a good book on the good things unions have done for the America worker and the American middle class.    Unions   and every other day in America. 

[Nighthawk]

Apparently you lack a sense of humor as well. . .

Actually, I have a very good sense of humor. I just take exception to the way you spelled America. That spelling is used as a derogotory term towards our country and is used by people who hate America.

The spelling is also the German spelling and is used to imply that America is sinking into facism or nazism.

[Palehorse]

Actually, I have a very good sense of humor. I just take exception to the way you spelled America. That spelling is used as a derogotory term towards our country and is used by people who hate America.

The spelling is also the German spelling and is used to imply that America is sinking into facism or nazism.

I have paid my dues and earned my right to speak and SPELL America as I see fit. How about you?

I meant it EXACTLY as Troll interpreted it; something you obviously fail to see or do not want to. That's okay, you have that right as well.

When it comes to the corporate world in this country, more specifically this state, it is indeed akin to the Iron Fist of Communism from my perspective. So "Америка" it is.