Democrats SUCK!!

[LOsborne]

Companies were expanding and opening more stores.  All you had to do was look around and there was building going on everywhere. 

Surely one of these tax-cut inspired expansions is documented. But don't pin your hopes on a series of new Quickie-Marts. They don't hire many folks, and most of them aren't full-time. In fact, retail in general isn't going to give you that boost in employment figures you seen to be imagining. So tell me about one company that caused a significant gain in employment figures because of the largess of the Bush tax cuts. You've spent most of a week trying to distract me from it.

[me]

Surely one of these tax-cut inspired expansions is documented. But don't pin your hopes on a series of new Quickie-Marts. They don't hire many folks, and most of them aren't full-time. In fact, retail in general isn't going to give you that boost in employment figures you seen to be imagining. So tell me about one company that caused a significant gain in employment figures because of the largess of the Bush tax cuts. You've spent most of a week trying to distract me from it.

One company alone won't do it but it should be obvious to you by now that the several who are no longer expanding or hiring, both small and large, are doing that because of the threatened tax increases.  I wasn't imagining the figures on the chart you posted.

[LOsborne]

And AGAIN she dodges the question.

For what it's worth, my company's FTE total is up 20% from this time six months ago. And I got a raise this month.

[me]

And AGAIN she dodges the question.

For what it's worth, my company's FTE total is up 20% from this time six months ago. And I got a raise this month.

Well hip hip hooray for your company?  Did Obama create any of the jobs?  Are they permanent or temporary?  Full or part time? 

[Palehorse]

Well hip hip hooray for your company?  Did Obama create any of the jobs?  Are they permanent or temporary?  Full or part time?

Why? You looking to invest with some of that cash you've been hoarding???

[me]

Why? You looking to invest with some of that cash you've been hoarding???

[LOsborne]

Are they permanent or temporary?  Full or part time? 

FTE stands for Full Time Employees. I thought you said you ran a business.

They are permanent.

Obama did not personally create any of these jobs. The demand comes from new clients, as well as clients returning to full-service with us, and I am not in a position to speculate on the reasons they find themselves in need of our services.

One thing that did make a difference was the employer's contribution credit for new employees who have not worked for two or more months. Because of that (which was an Obama program) I was able to offer full-time instead of part-time to the new hires, and -- in a domino effect -- return several folks whose hours had been cut back to full-time.

[The Troll]

  Would some of the enligthen ones here in the Zone.  Please explain to me, how cutting taxes for small business people going to create more jobs.

  Nobody is going to increase production, build more space and create more jobs unless there is a demand for their products. 

  We have the Republicans screaming cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes and cut programs and lay off more people.  This to me doesn't make sense.

[me]

  Would some of the enligthen ones here in the Zone.  Please explain to me, how cutting taxes for small business people going to create more jobs.

  Nobody is going to increase production, build more space and create more jobs unless there is a demand for their products. 

  We have the Republicans screaming cut taxes, cut taxes, cut taxes and cut programs and lay off more people.  This to me doesn't make sense.

Read this veeeeerrrrrryyyy ssssllllloooowwwwlllllyyyy.  The small business will have more money and will hire more people who will in turn make money to buy products to create a need for more products to be produced which will in turn spread to other businesses who will need to supply that business and so on.  Can ya dig it?  Now on the other hand if taxes are raised on them they have less money to hire people so they make due with those they have and cut their hours because people are laid off and aren't buying products soooooo suddenly there is no demand and business slows and more are laid off or cut back....the supplier isn't having to supply as much to that business so they also lay off and cut hours.....and so that goes.....small business goes under big business who has moved to another country takes over where they left off and we're all on government handouts at the soup line instead of the restaurant or fast food place.

[The Troll]

Read this veeeeerrrrrryyyy ssssllllloooowwwwlllllyyyy.  The small business will have more money and will hire more people who will in turn make money to buy products to create a need for more products to be produced which will in turn spread to other businesses who will need to supply that business and so on.  Can ya dig it?  Now on the other hand if taxes are raised on them they have less money to hire people so they make due with those they have and cut their hours because people are laid off and aren't buying products soooooo suddenly there is no demand and business slows and more are laid off or cut back....the supplier isn't having to supply as much to that business so they also lay off and cut hours.....and so that goes.....small business goes under big business who has moved to another country takes over where they left off and we're all on government handouts at the soup line instead of the restaurant or fast food place.

  OK, "ME" let's say  you own a restaurant, listening to your recipes you sound like real good cook.  Your are open for three meals, 7 days a week and you restaurant is only 3/4 full on you best day.  Maybe it was full one day when some bikers came through.


  Now you get a tax cut are you going to hire more people, rebuild the kitchen,  remodel the dinning room, move to a larger place or pocket the money for yourself and put it in the bank.  I know what your going to do, your going to consider it a raise and bury it in the back yard or put it in the bank.

  If I'm wrong, what would you do?

[me]

  OK, "ME" let's say  you own a restaurant, listening to your recipes you sound like real good cook.  Your are open for three meals, 7 days a week and you restaurant is only 3/4 full on you best day.  Maybe it was full one day when some bikers came through.


  Now you get a tax cut are you going to hire more people, rebuild the kitchen,  remodel the dinning room, move to a larger place or pocket the money for yourself and put it in the bank.  I know what your going to do, your going to consider it a raise and bury it in the back yard or put it in the bank.

  If I'm wrong, what would you do?

If there were enough of an increase in business to warrant it I would certainly expand or upgrade but a restaurant is slightly different than say a small tool and die shop or a business of that nature. 

[The Troll]

If there were enough of an increase in business to warrant it I would certainly expand or upgrade but a restaurant is slightly different than say a small tool and die shop or a business of that nature.

  And just how different are they?  There isn't any.  It's strictly supply and demand.  I know of two men from Anderson who were laid off, for over a year.  They were highly skilled tool and die men.  The owner of the 20 plus year business shut it down for lack of orders.  Hey, I know what, give him a tax cut of the money he isn't making so he can hire more people.

  Another man who was laid off two times when two British companies came and bought the two companies he work for and shut them down and took them back to England.  He now works for a company that makes artificial hip and knee joints, running a CNC machine for $10 an hour and he's a 30 year tool and die maker.  He says the orders are down and he might be layed off.  Hell, give his company owner a tax cut and he might keep him and hire more workers.  Your tax cut figures don't work.

[me]

 

  And just how different are they?  There isn't any.  It's strictly supply and demand.  I know of two men from Anderson who were laid off, for over a year.  They were highly skilled tool and die men.  The owner of the 20 plus year business shut it down for lack of orders.  Hey, I know what, give him a tax cut of the money he isn't making so he can hire more people.

  Another man who was laid off two times when two British companies came and bought the two companies he work for and shut them down and took them back to England.  He now works for a company that makes artificial hip and knee joints, running a CNC machine for $10 an hour and he's a 30 year tool and die maker.  He says the orders are down and he might be layed off.  Hell, give his company owner a tax cut and he might keep him and hire more workers.  Your tax cut figures don't work.

Hey, at least he has a job which is more than a lot of people have right now. 
Why did the companies shut down here?  If companies shut down the demand for other products goes down therefore more people are laid off which puts demands down even further and so it goes.  Each one that shuts down decreases demand for something somewhere else and it just snowballs right down the line.  When the big companies leave because they can't make a profit it trickles right down to the little mom and pop restaurant or other smaller business and they can't make it.   On the other hand if the larger companies can turn a profit in a certain location so do the smaller businesses.  Money does not trickle up any way you try to twist it. 

[The Troll]

Hey, at least he has a job which is more than a lot of people have right now. 
Why did the companies shut down here?  If companies shut down the demand for other products goes down therefore more people are laid off which puts demands down even further and so it goes.  Each one that shuts down decreases demand for something somewhere else and it just snowballs right down the line.  When the big companies leave because they can't make a profit it trickles right down to the little mom and pop restaurant or other smaller business and they can't make it.   On the other hand if the larger companies can turn a profit in a certain location so do the smaller businesses.  Money does not trickle up any way you try to twist it.

   Your so wrong about the Trickle down method of running an economy.  It more like Trickle on the middle class.  All I hear you Republicans talk about is tax cuts and help the predatory capitalist super rich people.  George W's tax cut to the upper 3% of the super rich did not create one new job.  It is pure Bullshit.

   Never anything about the unfair "free trade"  policy you Republicans and the Fast Track policy you Republicans shoved down our throats. Do you remember George H. Bush and his getting with the two leaders Mexico and Canada and dreaming up NAFTA.  Only two country came out on top, Canada and Mexico and with WTO China.

  This country has never been the same since you Republicans dreamed up NAFTA.  The number one destroyer of America. This is something you can't deny or defend.

[The Troll]

Hey, at least he has a job which is more than a lot of people have right now.  Why did the companies shut down here?   Money does not trickle up any way you try to twist it.

  I have heard such stupid remarks come out of someone who is suppose to be an adult American.  Paying a man who has and  is a excellent tool and die maker with 30 years experience $10 an hour.  You got to be kidding me.  That less that  $3 over minimum wage.  What a Awhile.

  Why did the American companies leave, GREED!  They go to Mexico where the minimum wage is $5 a day.  Chinese workers striking for a raise from the $1.97 Honda is paying them for auto parts they ship to America.  Plus a company who build I-Pods and Blackberries putting nets below the second floor of the barricks, so people won't be able to commit suicide.  from their 36 hour work shifts, 10 people to a room and 97 cents per hour wage.  You Republicans want slavery for the middle class.  Go ahead and just say it.  You don't want Americans to make a good wage.  Just slaves to the big predatory capitalist corporations.