Democrats SUCK!!

[Palehorse]

He spent more than 21 straight hours railing against any government funding for Obamacare. Then Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas joined the other 99 senators from both parties in voting Wednesday to move ahead on a spending plan expected to do just that.
The rare 100-0 vote on a procedural step means the spending measure that would avoid a partial government shutdown next week now can be amended by Senate Democrats to restore funding for President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms, which had been eliminated last week by House Republicans. . .

[Henry Hawk]

So you lied. . .

I'm just weak.    I mostly just argued politics with locutus.  I can care less what Ex has to say about politics.  I guess to be quite honest, I really don't care what anybody on here has to say about politics....THAT is no lie. 

[Henry Hawk]

That's what I think.  Why do you think he spent all that time speaking to no end?  I think you're giving him far more credit than he deserves.  That spectacle was nothing more than self-serving. 

Ted is doing exactly what he was elected to do.  We need more like him right now.  The polls show that congress is at an all-time low.  He is the ONE person in Washington that is doing what he was elected to do!  He's fighting for ALL the American people, not just republicans or conservatives, he is fighting for those who don't know that he's fighting for them.  It is refreshing to see someone who actually seems to give a shit about what is going on.

[Henry Hawk]

He spent more than 21 straight hours railing against any government funding for Obamacare. Then Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas joined the other 99 senators from both parties in voting Wednesday to move ahead on a spending plan expected to do just that.
The rare 100-0 vote on a procedural step means the spending measure that would avoid a partial government shutdown next week now can be amended by Senate Democrats to restore funding for President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms, which had been eliminated last week by House Republicans. . .

Here were Cruz's words last night:


The central vote the Senate will take on this fight will not occur today and it will not occur tomorrow. The first vote we are going to take on this is a vote on what is called cloture on the motion to proceed. Very few people not on this floor have any idea what that means and even, I suspect, a fair number of people on this floor are not quite sure what that means. That will simply be a vote whether to take up this bill and to begin debating this bill. I expect that vote to pass overwhelmingly, if not unanimously. Everyone agrees we ought to take this up, we ought to start this conversation.

The next vote we take will occur on Friday or Saturday and it will be on what is called cloture on the bill. That is the vote that matters. Cloture on the bill, the vote Friday or Saturday, is the vote that matters.

[Exterminator]

He's fighting for ALL the American people, not just republicans or conservatives, he is fighting for those who don't know that he's fighting for them.

Bullshit; he is not fighting for me or for the American people.  Apparently, Ted Cruz thinks that his opinion and that of his inbred followers is more important than the democratic process.  Ted Cruz is a fucking moron and so is anyone who supports him.

[me]

Bullshit; he is not fighting for me or for the American people.  Apparently, Ted Cruz thinks that his opinion and that of his inbred followers is more important than the democratic process.  Ted Cruz is a fucking moron and so is anyone who supports him.

What he did is also part of the democratic process idiot. <----- (oops sorry, been hanging' out here so long I'm beginning to reply like a liberal)  Oh wait, I lost my head again.  It's only part of the democratic process if a liberal is doing it.    

[Exterminator]

What he did is also part of the democratic process idiot. <----- (oops sorry, been hanging' out here so long I'm beginning to reply like a liberal)  Oh wait, I lost my head again.  It's only part of the democratic process if a liberal is doing it.   

Funny, John McCain said what I did almost verbatim and most of Cruz's fellow Republican senators voiced disapproval of his antics.  They were probably all brainwashed by the leftist main-stream media.  You should call them and straighten them out...make sure you remind them how much more insight you have into the political process than they do.

[me]

Funny, John McCain said what I did almost verbatim and most of Cruz's fellow Republican senators voiced disapproval of his antics.  They were probably all brainwashed by the leftist main-stream media.  You should call them and straighten them out...make sure you remind them how much more insight you have into the political process than they do.

Doesn't matter who said what it's still part of it. 

[Palehorse]

Doesn't matter who said what it's still part of it. . . .

. . .the republican scheme to shut down the government.

Why else would anyone spend 21 hours spewing tripe and reading children's books aloud? Is that really the republican idea surrounding how to expend the effort for which you are being paid by the American People? 

The spirits say that on Tuesday the government will shut down!

[me]

. . .the republican scheme to shut down the government.

Why else would anyone spend 21 hours spewing tripe and reading children's books aloud? Is that really the republican idea surrounding how to expend the effort for which you are being paid by the American People? 

The spirits say that on Tuesday the government will shut down!

Hum, I wonder......

Filibuster and Cloture
Cartoon of Senate Filibuster, ca. 1870s
19th Century Filibuster



Using the filibuster to delay or block legislative action has a long history. The term filibuster -- from a Dutch word meaning "pirate" -- became popular in the 1850s, when it was applied to efforts to hold the Senate floor in order to prevent a vote on a bill.

In the early years of Congress, representatives as well as senators could filibuster. As the House of Representatives grew in numbers, however, revisions to the House rules limited debate. In the smaller Senate, unlimited debate continued on the grounds that any senator should have the right to speak as long as necessary on any issue.

In 1841, when the Democratic minority hoped to block a bank bill promoted by Kentucky Senator Henry Clay, he threatened to change Senate rules to allow the majority to close debate. Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton rebuked Clay for trying to stifle the Senate's right to unlimited debate.

Three quarters of a century later, in 1917, senators adopted a rule (Rule 22), at the urging of President Woodrow Wilson, that allowed the Senate to end a debate with a two-thirds majority vote, a device known as "cloture." The new Senate rule was first put to the test in 1919, when the Senate invoked cloture to end a filibuster against the Treaty of Versailles. Even with the new cloture rule, filibusters remained an effective means to block legislation, since a two-thirds vote is difficult to obtain. Over the next five decades, the Senate occasionally tried to invoke cloture, but usually failed to gain the necessary two-thirds vote. Filibusters were particularly useful to Southern senators who sought to block civil rights legislation, including anti-lynching legislation, until cloture was invoked after a 60 day filibuster against the Civil Right Act of 1964. In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds to three-fifths, or 60 of the current one hundred senators.

Many Americans are familiar with the filibuster conducted by Jimmy Stewart, playing Senator Jefferson Smith in Frank Capra's film Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, but there have been some famous filibusters in the real-life Senate as well. During the 1930s, Senator Huey P. Long effectively used the filibuster against bills that he thought favored the rich over the poor. The Louisiana senator frustrated his colleagues while entertaining spectators with his recitations of Shakespeare and his reading of recipes for "pot-likkers." Long once held the Senate floor for 15 hours. The record for the longest individual speech goes to South Carolina's J. Strom Thurmond who filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm

Landmark Legislation: The Civil Rights Act of 1964

Senate Chamber Desk

The longest continuous debate in Senate history took place in 1964 over the Civil Rights Act. Following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, who had proposed the legislation, it was strongly advocated by his successor, Lyndon B. Johnson. Addressing a joint session of Congress just after Kennedy's death, Johnson urged members of Congress to honor Kennedy's memory by passing a civil rights bill to end racial discrimination and segregation in public accommodations, public education, and federally assisted programs. In his address, Johnson declared, "we have talked long enough in this country about equal rights. We have talked for one hundred years or more. It is time now to write the next chapter, and to write it in the books of law."

On February 10, 1964, the House of Representatives voted in favor of the bill, HR 7152. When the House-passed bill arrived in the Senate on February 26, 1964, Majority Leader Mike Mansfield placed it directly on the Senate calendar rather than refer it to the Judiciary Committee, chaired by civil rights opponent James Eastland of Mississippi. On March 9, when Mansfield moved to take up the measure, southern senators launched a filibuster against the bill. The Senate debated the bill for sixty days, including seven Saturdays.

At the time, a two-thirds vote, or sixty-seven senators, was required to invoke cloture and cut off debate in the Senate. Since southern Democrats opposed the legislation, votes from a substantial number of senators in the Republican minority would be needed to end the filibuster. Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey, the Democratic whip who managed the bill on the Senate floor, enlisted the aid of Republican Minority Leader Everett M. Dirksen of Illinois. Dirksen, although a longtime supporter of civil rights, had opposed the bill because he objected to certain provisions. Humphrey therefore worked with him to redraft the controversial language and make the bill more acceptable to Republicans. Once the changes were made, Dirksen gained key votes for cloture from his party colleagues with a powerful speech calling racial integration "an idea whose time has come."

On June 10, a coalition of 27 Republicans and 44 Democrats ended the filibuster when the Senate voted 71 to 29 for cloture, thereby limiting further debate. This marked the first time in its history that the Senate voted to end debate on a civil rights bill. Nine days later, the Senate passed the most sweeping civil rights legislation in the nation's history. The House followed by accepting the Senate version on July 2. When President Johnson signed the bill into law that same day in a nationally televised broadcast, he was joined by civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr., who had been instrumental in leading the public mobilization efforts in favor of civil rights legislation. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 remains one of the most significant legislative achievements in American history.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/CivilRightsAct1964.htm
   

[Palehorse]

Hum, I wonder......
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/generic/CivilRightsAct1964.htm

And therein is the issue. You wonder but you never critically analyze.

In what world does it make sense to validate modern action(s) via historic acts of ignorance? 

[me]

And therein is the issue. You wonder but you never critically analyze.

In what world does it make sense to validate modern action(s) via historic acts of ignorance? 

This was your question......

Why else would anyone spend 21 hours spewing tripe and reading children's books aloud?

I just answered your question which was why others had done the same thing.  So what was to analyze? 

[Palehorse]

. . .

I just answered your question which was why others had done the same thing.  So what was to analyze?

What do your examples and Cruz's spewing have in common? ANSWER: Acts of ignorance.

That you do not see the similarities, and the outright insidious nature of his actions toward the citizens of this country, is astounding! 

Two, (or more), wrongs do not equal a right.

[me]

What do your examples and Cruz's spewing have in common? ANSWER: Acts of ignorance.

That you do not see the similarities, and the outright insidious nature of his actions toward the citizens of this country, is astounding! 

Two, (or more), wrongs do not equal a right.

It was for something they believed in and what the people who voted for them wanted. This HCB could be delayed for a while to get some of the kinks worked out but the liberals are bound and determined to push it though like it is no matter what so the only choice left is to try to defund it.  Personally I hope they, the liberals and Obama,  get their way then the liberals will definitely own it and all the problems that are forthcoming and can no longer blame all the problems on the conservatives and Bush. 

[Palehorse]

It was for something they believed in and what the people who voted for them wanted. This HCB could be delayed for a while to get some of the kinks worked out but the liberals are bound and determined to push it though like it is no matter what so the only choice left is to try to defund it.  Personally I hope they, the liberals and Obama,  get their way then the liberals will definitely own it and all the problems that are forthcoming and can no longer blame all the problems on the conservatives and Bush.

There you go again being presumptuous and assuming.

Please present the facts and sources you utilized in arriving at this conclusion.

The facts are, once again, the republicans have included yet another provision within their latest legislation to keep the Government from closing on Tuesday, that assures it will happen despite the disastrous ramifications it will bring about.

This proves that they are nothing but shills for corporate Amerika and care nothing about the welfare of the people they work for.