Democrats SUCK!!

[Henry Hawk]

c,mon Palehorse, lighten up..........it is all goooood when you post crap.....we have a long weekend coming up.....loosen up

[Henry Hawk]

At a closely-watched speech at the Federal Reserve's economic symposium in Jackson Hole, Wyo., the central bank's Chairman Ben Bernanke said current economic conditions are 'far from satisfactory.' In particular, he called the slowly recovering labor market a 'grave concern' and warned the Fed alone can't shore up the economy. He also defended the traditional and non-traditional tools the central bank has used in propping up the economy, but came short of suggesting what further actions will be taken.

and some people want four more years of THIS!   

[Bo D]

At a closely-watched speech at the Federal Reserve's economic symposium in Jackson Hole, Wyo., the central bank's Chairman Ben Bernanke said current economic conditions are 'far from satisfactory.' In particular, he called the slowly recovering labor market a 'grave concern' and warned the Fed alone can't shore up the economy. He also defended the traditional and non-traditional tools the central bank has used in propping up the economy, but came short of suggesting what further actions will be taken.

and some people want four more years of THIS!   

He also said ...
"The odds are strong that the Fed's asset purchases will make money for the taxpayers, reducing the federal deficit and debt," Bernanke said. "And, of course, to the extent that monetary policy helps strengthen the economy and raise incomes, the benefits for the U.S. fiscal position would be substantial."

[The Troll]

At a closely-watched speech at the Federal Reserve's economic symposium in Jackson Hole, Wyo., the central bank's Chairman Ben Bernanke said current economic conditions are 'far from satisfactory.' In particular, he called the slowly recovering labor market a 'grave concern' and warned the Fed alone can't shore up the economy. He also defended the traditional and non-traditional tools the central bank has used in propping up the economy, but came short of suggesting what further actions will be taken.

and some people want four more years of THIS!   

  Ben Bernanke?  Isn't he the one who help George W. kill the economy.  Isn't he the one who said, during George W. rein that things were not as bad as people thought and that the economy would recover soon after the housing banking and stock market bubble burst.  Ben Bernanke?    Give us a break Henry. 

[Palehorse]

He also said ...
"The odds are strong that the Fed's asset purchases will make money for the taxpayers, reducing the federal deficit and debt," Bernanke said. "And, of course, to the extent that monetary policy helps strengthen the economy and raise incomes, the benefits for the U.S. fiscal position would be substantial."

And that promptly began a rally in the stock market. . . 

[Palehorse]

c,mon Palehorse, lighten up..........it is all goooood when you post crap.....we have a long weekend coming up.....loosen up

Point out this "crap" I posted, please.

[me]

Gee I found something interesting: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/janesville-gm-plant-closed-2009-after-obama-promised-save-it

Janesville GM Plant Closed in 2009 – After Obama Promised to Save It
By Matt Cover
August 30, 2012
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(CNSNews.com) – In his speech accepting the Republican nomination for vice president, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) told the story of a General Motors factory in his hometown of Janesville, Wisconsin, accusing President Obama of failing to keep a campaign promise to keep the plant open.
"My home state voted for President Obama. When he talked about change, many people liked the sound of it, especially in Janesville, where we were about to lose a major factory," Ryan said Wednesday.

"Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.' That's what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn't last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day. And that's how it is in so many towns today, where the recovery that was promised is nowhere in sight."

Ryan's claims received widespread criticism from the Obama campaign and many liberal media outlets.

"He even dishonestly attacked Barack Obama for the closing of a GM plant in his hometown of Janesville, Wisconsin -- a plant that closed in December 2008 under George W. Bush," Obama campaign manager Jim Messina said in an email to supporters Thursday.

The Washington Post official 'fact-checker' also attacked Ryan's claims as false, using the same line about the plant closing in 2008:

"That's not true. The plant was closed in December 2008, before Obama was sworn in," Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler wrote Wednesday. "Obama gave his speech in February 2008, and he did say those words. But Ryan's phrasing, referring to the fact the plant did not last another year, certainly suggests it closed in 2009, when Obama was president."

But Ryan is in fact correct. The Janesville GM factory stopped production of SUVs in December 2008 and closed its doors for good in 2009 – less than one year after Obama promised to keep it open for another hundred years.

In his speech in Janesville, then-Sen. Obama said that if elected, he would support retooling the Janesville plant to make energy efficient vehicles. Despite his administration's carefully shepherding of GM through bankruptcy, the Janesville plant has not been retooled to make anything.

The plant shut its doors for good in 2009. According to an Associated Press article in the local Rockford Register Star, the plant ceased operations of large SUVs – its main product -- on December 31, 2008 and was scheduled to completely shut down several months later.

"About 50 workers will remain at the Janesville plant to complete an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors Ltd. They're scheduled to finish by May or June, and then the plant will close down for good," The Rockford Register Star reported December 31, 2008, citing GM spokesman Christopher Lee.

Another article – from the Janesville Gazette – reported that the plant continued operations into 2009, building medium-duty delivery trucks for Japanese automaker Isuzu.

"Full-size sport utility vehicle production has ended at the local General Motors plant, but medium-duty truck production is continuing—not starting—in Janesville. And it likely will continue into May, when the lights finally go off in the facility that has been producing vehicles since 1923" the paper reported February 2, 2009.

In fact, a GM press release confirms that the automaker had placed the Janesville plant on "standby capacity" – an auto industry term for a factory no longer producing vehicles – in May of 2009.

"Janesville was placed on standby capacity in May 2009 and will remain in that status," GM said in a June 26, 2009 press release.

In sum, the Janesville plant shut down the majority of its production in December 2008, laying off all but 50 of its approximately 1,200 employees. Those 50 employees remained at the plant making Isuzu trucks for several more months as the plant's operations wound down.

As a candidate, President Obama promised to support re-tooling the factory to make more fuel-efficient vehicles and keep the plant open for a century. The plant, however, remains closed.

[Palehorse]

Gee I found something interesting: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/janesville-gm-plant-closed-2009-after-obama-promised-save-it

Gee whiz. . .

. . .
To fairly evaluate Obama's statement, at least two pieces of context -- missing from Ryan's account -- would be useful: First, that Obama wasn't telling this plant that he'd save it from a pending closure. He wasn't addressing a plant that he knew to be closing, because the closure announcement didn't come until four months after his speech. Second, although the plant's last bit of production stopped early in Obama's presidency and the plant remains closed, the closure was planned before Obama became president.

. . .The Detroit News pointed out that Obama made no such promise in the February 13, 2008, speech, and indeed, we've seen no account suggesting that Obama did. Here is the quote at issue, according to an account kept by the Council on Foreign Relations:

"I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you've made -- how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you're churning out," Obama said. "And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

By "bad news," Obama apparently was referring to GM's February 12, 2008, announcement that it had a $38.7 billion adjusted net loss for 2007. . .

. . .June 2008: GM announces that the Janesville plant will stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs such as the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban and the GMC Yukon in 2010 or sooner, depending on market demand.

December 23, 2008: SUV production ends, and more than 2,000 GM workers are laid off, according to the Gazette. Medium truck production continues.

April 23, 2009: The plant's medium-duty assembly line, which produced an Isuzu line, closes, ending vehicle production at the plant and resulting in the loss of 57 production jobs, according to the Gazette.
GM then put the plant on standby, meaning it could reactivate the facility if it decides it needs to ramp up production.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/30/politics/pol-fact-check-ryan-gm/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Proof that Ryan was spinning reality by truncating the content of what was said to make it support the view he wanted others to take away from it.

[Palehorse]

Anybody else recall just what these people were saying when the GM bailout transpired? I do. They were squalling about it and saying they should be allowed to go under; sending tens of thousands of workers (including the supporting small businesses that are suppliers to GM) to the unemployment roles.

Now all of sudden they are trying to lay this on the doorstep of a man who didn't even hold the office of POTUS, by truncating what the then candidate said.

That smacks of desperation to me. . . 

(Not to mention hypocrisy)

[me]

There is so much BS coming from both sides it's hard to sort all of it out.  There are things I've heard from the right I know for a fact weren't right and have never bothered posting about them here but some I read differently than most people,  like I was paying closer attention to his last line of the speech because Obama having said that in the plant in a campaign speech in 2008 had little baring on now to me so it wasn't of any significance.  Even though he may not have said those exact words, as those who did pay attention to them were lead to believe, he did leave those he spoke to in that plant with the hope he would help them and he didn't, the doors closed completely in June of 2009.  Things have not gotten better for them.  Both sides need to quit embellishing, twisting, and sometimes just flat out lying but that's the name of the game and we're stuck to figure it all out.  Name calling and put downs are not the way to get someone to listen conversation like this works a whole lot better and may actually be constructive rather than destructive and uniting rather than divisive.  Of course Troll would get a little bored. 

[me]

[Palehorse]

There is so much BS coming from both sides it's hard to sort all of it out.  There are things I've heard from the right I know for a fact weren't right and have never bothered posting about them here but some I read differently than most people,  like I was paying closer attention to his last line of the speech because Obama having said that in the plant in a campaign speech in 2008 had little baring on now to me so it wasn't of any significance.  Even though he may not have said those exact words, as those who did pay attention to them were lead to believe, he did leave those he spoke to in that plant with the hope he would help them and he didn't, the doors closed completely in June of 2009.  Things have not gotten better for them.  Both sides need to quit embellishing, twisting, and sometimes just flat out lying but that's the name of the game and we're stuck to figure it all out.  Name calling and put downs are not the way to get someone to listen conversation like this works a whole lot better and may actually be constructive rather than destructive and uniting rather than divisive.  Of course Troll would get a little bored. 

I am sure the future president's intentions were to ensure that the government did everything it could to  secure the future of those in that plant, and hundreds/thousands of others across this nation.

However, no one thought that congress would adopt the party of "no" tactic and hem, haw, and stall its way into the history books for very nefarious reasons. . .

For the astute within the audience at that plant, the operative word within his statement was "if" :

". . .if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

One little word changes everything.

[me]

I am sure the future president's intentions were to ensure that the government did everything it could to  secure the future of those in that plant, and hundreds/thousands of others across this nation.

However, no one thought that congress would adopt the party of "no" tactic and hem, haw, and stall its way into the history books for very nefarious reasons. . .

For the astute within the audience at that plant, the operative word within his statement was "if" :

". . .if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years."

One little word changes everything.

The party of "no" as you put it was in the minority,  and the left in a filibuster proof majority for 3yrs plus the senate is still in the majority.  As for the filibusters that supposedly happened we might have been able to see them had CNN been allowed to broadcast the sessions as promised but it was mostly held behind closed doors so we'll never really know for sure what exactly happened.  Same as the closed door meetings where no press was allowed, just their word for what went on. 

[Palehorse]

The party of "no" as you put it was in the minority,  and the left in a filibuster proof majority for 3yrs plus the senate is still in the majority.  As for the filibusters that supposedly happened we might have been able to see them had CNN been allowed to broadcast the sessions as promised but it was mostly held behind closed doors so we'll never really know for sure what exactly happened.  Same as the closed door meetings where no press was allowed, just their word for what went on.

My, my, my. . . We have been down this path so many times that we have worn the earths crust down to bedrock; and still you fail to understand. . .

• The "filibusters" (sic) happened, and are part of the congressional record.
• I thought you were against governmental control of private entities. The opportunities were there for CSPAN, etc. but they chose actual "paying" programming over public service. (Imagine that).

As for the "behind closed doors" sessions, obviously the men and women on your team didn't want an actual filmed record of their stalling for our future historians to use as a means with which to prove they were, and are,  the worst congressional representatives in this nations history.

[me]

My, my, my. . . We have been down this path so many times that we have worn the earths crust down to bedrock; and still you fail to understand. . .

• The "filibusters" (sic) happened, and are part of the congressional record.
• I thought you were against governmental control of private entities. The opportunities were there for CSPAN, etc. but they chose actual "paying" programming over public service. (Imagine that).

As for the "behind closed doors" sessions, obviously the men and women on your team didn't want an actual filmed record of their stalling for our future historians to use as a means with which to prove they were, and are,  the worst congressional representatives in this nations history.

They did not have the say so on whether cameras were to be allowed or not. If CNN didn't want to do them why did they contract for it?