As you know I've had my doubts about Trump and even after watching this am not quite sure but I do have a different outlook on him now. This is a little lengthy but worth watching since it shows him in a different light. How he performs in the debates will tell all.
http://www.infowars.com/this-video-will-get-donald-trump-elected-if-it-goes-viral/
Tripe. :rolleyes:
Whatever Skippy.
Quote from: me on June 11, 2016, 09:15:40 PM
As you know I've had my doubts about Trump and even after watching this am not quite sure but I do have a different outlook on him now. This is a little lengthy but worth watching since it shows him in a different light. How he performs in the debates will tell all.
http://www.infowars.com/this-video-will-get-donald-trump-elected-if-it-goes-viral/
:me: "ME" You sure have a lot in common with the mentally ill in this country by supporting Trump. :wall: :bliss:
Quote from: me on June 11, 2016, 09:15:40 PM
As you know I've had my doubts about Trump and even after watching this am not quite sure but I do have a different outlook on him now. This is a little lengthy but worth watching since it shows him in a different light. How he performs in the debates will tell all.
http://www.infowars.com/this-video-will-get-donald-trump-elected-if-it-goes-viral/
??
Trump is obviously brilliant at making himself rich, but does that mean anything more than being able to buy "friends"? And Votes? The job of POTUS?
The following is from the front page of today's Washington Post:
Trump casino venture: He wins, investors ...
As its stock collapsed, Trump's firm gave him huge bonuses and paid for his jet
June 12, 2016 by Drew Harwell
It was promoted as the chance of a lifetime: Mom and pop investors could buy shares in celebrity businessman Donald Trump's first public company, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts.
Their investments were quickly depleted. The company known by Trump's initials, DJT, crumbled into a penny stock and filed for bankruptcy after less than a decade, costing shareholders millions of dollars, even as other casino companies soared.
In its short life, Trump the company greatly enriched Trump the businessman, paying to have his personal jet piloted and buying heaps of Trump brand merchandise. Despite losing money every year under Trump's leadership, the company paid Trump handsomely, including a $5 million bonus in the year the company's stock plummeted 70 percent.
Many of those who lost money were Main Street shareholders who believed in the Trump brand, such as Sebastian Pignatello, a retired private investor in Queens. By the time of the 2004 bankruptcy, Pignatello's 150,000 shares were worth pennies on the dollar.
"He had been pillaging the company all along," said Pignatelli, who joined the shareholders in a lawsuit against Trump that has since been settled. "Even his business allies, they were all fair game.
He has no qualms about screwing anybody. That's what he does." Trump's bid for the White House relies heavily on his ability to sell himself as a master businessman, a standout performer in real estate and reality TV.
But interviews with former shareholders and analysts as well as years of financial filings reveal a striking characteristic of his business record: Even when his endeavors failed and other people lost money, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee found a way to make money for himself, to market his Trump-branded products and to pay for his expensive lifestyle.
Trump was the chairman of Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts in Atlantic City from 1995 to 2009, his only outing as the head of a major public company. During that time, the company lost more than $1 billion, financial records show. He also was chief executive from 2000 to 2005, during which time share prices plunged from a high of $35 to as low as 17 cents. Trump received more than $44 million in salary, bonuses and other compensation during his time at the company, filings show. He also benefited from tens of millions of dollars more in special deals, advisory fees and "service agreements" he negotiated with his company.
Trump's campaign did not make him available to respond to specific questions about the company, but in a recent Washington Post interview, Trump said he "made a lot of money in Atlantic City," adding, "I make great deals for myself"
He expounded: "They say, "Why don't you take the casinos public or something?" You know, if you take them public, you make money on that. All I can say is I wasn't representing the country. I wasn't representing the banks. I wasn't representing anybody but myself."
Corporate governance experts say it's rare for executives of public companies to suggest that they haven't been looking out for the shareholders who financed them.
.... "
www.washingtonpost.com
I guess we can use the same logic as Ex did........."Tripe!"....
Funny how trusting some are of known politicians, but are scared to death of a very, very, very successful businessman....despite how some people try their best to make him seem like a failure......he is the farthest thing from a failure.
Because spending other people's money with no intention of paying them back is the definition of success, huh? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 13, 2016, 03:27:16 PM
Because spending other people's money with no intention of paying them back is the definition of success, huh? :rolleyes:
Isn't that what our government is doing? Hasn't Obama done this very thing since he has been in office? Owing nearly $19 Trillion????
Tripe is what you are doing with Trump....your words, not mine.
Trump has/is employing hundreds of thousand of people. He has made lives much better for hundreds of thousands.
Keep trying though....
Quote from: Exterminator on June 13, 2016, 03:27:16 PM
Because spending other people's money with no intention of paying them back is the definition of success, huh? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 13, 2016, 04:13:44 PM
Trump has/is employing hundreds of thousand of people. He has made lives much better for hundreds of thousands.
Huh? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 13, 2016, 04:13:44 PM
Isn't that what our government is doing? Hasn't Obama done this very thing since he has been in office? Owing nearly $19 Trillion????
The government borrowing money which, by the way, it makes payments on and doesn't default on, isn't the same as an individual using other people's money to support his lifestyle. It doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't understand the distinction.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 14, 2016, 08:34:29 AM
The government borrowing money which, by the way, it makes payments on and doesn't default on, isn't the same as an individual using other people's money to support his lifestyle. It doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't understand the distinction.
No, they are spending money they don't have........other peoples money is the only way to put it. Just like dipping into SS...to pay for things it wasn't intended for.
But it doesn't surprise me that you don't understand this distinction.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2016, 12:25:07 PM
No, they are spending money they don't have...
That's how credit works. Some people use it responsibly; some don't.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 13, 2016, 02:47:32 PM
...very, very, very successful businessman....despite how some people try their best to make him seem like a failure......he is the farthest thing from a failure.
The only thing he hasn't failed at is convincing gullible sheep that he's successful. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/magazine/behind-the-gold-curtain-of-donald-trumps-resume.html?WT.mc_id=2016-KWP-AUD_DEV&WT.mc_ev=click&ad-keywords=AUDDEVREMARK&kwp_0=161197&kwp_4=668419&kwp_1=342161)
Quote from: Exterminator on June 14, 2016, 02:09:11 PM
That's how credit works. Some people use it responsibly; some don't.
Our current government doesn't.
You are losing this one pretty easily.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 14, 2016, 02:10:59 PM
The only thing he hasn't failed at is convincing gullible sheep that he's successful. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/12/magazine/behind-the-gold-curtain-of-donald-trumps-resume.html?WT.mc_id=2016-KWP-AUD_DEV&WT.mc_ev=click&ad-keywords=AUDDEVREMARK&kwp_0=161197&kwp_4=668419&kwp_1=342161)
More than 13 million GOP voters seem to think his resume is much better than the previous primaries.....He has set a record turn out.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2016, 03:01:14 PM
Our current government doesn't.
I would submit that you're unqualified to make that determination.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2016, 03:02:30 PM
More than 13 million GOP voters seem to think his resume is much better than the previous primaries.....He has set a record turn out.
That only proves how many ignorant, gullible people exist.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 14, 2016, 03:59:53 PM
I would submit that you're unqualified to make that determination.
okay, go ahead and submit if it makes you feel better.
HH, Have you listened to/watched Trump as he tries to read the teleprompter? :rolleyes: Like when he said the Florida shooter was "born in Afghan"? (He was born in New York.)
Quote from: libby on June 14, 2016, 11:18:59 PM
HH, Have you istened to/watched Trump as he tries to read the teleprompter? :rolleyes: Like when he said the Florida shooter was "born in Afghan"? (He was born in New York.)
What is your point? That he misspoke or you insinuating that he deliberately lied? Really THAT bothers you, but Obama telling people that they can keep their insurance and their doctor with obamacare is okay? That Hillary is caught lie after lie, but you want to make a deal about Trump misspeaking about where the killer was born?
Wow!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2016, 08:25:29 AM
That he misspoke or you insinuating that he deliberately lied?
He didn't misspeak; he's a racist. He proved that with his recent comments about the Indiana born judge overseeing one of his fraud cases. Everyone, both Democrats and Republicans, recognized those comments as racist. If you support him, you are also racist, despite your years of comments here attempting to deny what the rest of us have known all along. Own it.
The irony of racist white people is that they are invariably the absolute worst examples their own race.
I am beginning to think that you have a screw loose..... :yes: Seriously, you might want to see a professional about this.... ;)
Really? You support a raving lunatic for POTUS and I have a screw loose? Get a clue. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 15, 2016, 09:09:03 AM
Really? You support a raving lunatic for POTUS and I have a screw loose? Get a clue. :rolleyes:
Yes, Yes you do...you REALLY do.... :yes: :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 15, 2016, 08:59:46 AM
He didn't misspeak; he's a racist. He proved that with his recent comments about the Indiana born judge overseeing one of his fraud cases. Everyone, both Democrats and Republicans, recognized those comments as racist. If you support him, you are also racist, despite your years of comments here attempting to deny what the rest of us have known all along. Own it.
The irony of racist white people is that they are invariably the absolute worst examples their own race.
So someone can say that they couldn't get a fair trial or treated badly because a judge or jury was all white and not be a racist but a person can't say they couldn't get a fair trial or were treated badly because the judge was Mexican, which he happens to be, without being racist? Hum, seems to be a problem with that somewhere.
Quote from: me on June 15, 2016, 10:42:13 AM
So someone can say that they couldn't get a fair trial or treated badly because a judge or jury was all white and not be a racist but a person can't say they couldn't get a fair trial or were treated badly because the judge was Mexican, which he happens to be, without being racist? Hum, seems to be a problem with that somewhere.
The problem is that you are clueless about how our judicial system works. Judges are court officers sworn to a code of conduct. Jurors are not.
Quote from: libby on June 14, 2016, 11:18:59 PM
HH, Have you listened to/watched Trump as he tries to read the teleprompter? :rolleyes: Like when he said the Florida shooter was "born in Afghan"? (He was born in New York.)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 15, 2016, 08:25:29 AM
What is your point? That he misspoke or you insinuating that he deliberately lied? Really THAT bothers you, but Obama telling people that they can keep their insurance and their doctor with obamacare is okay? That Hillary is caught lie after lie, but you want to make a deal about Trump misspeaking about where the killer was born?
Wow!
I was not insinuating. Trump spoke out of ignorance. Surely he would've corrected himself if he'd realized he mis-spoke, and why on earth would he lie about saying the killer of 49 was Afghani when everybody (you'd think) knew by then that he was an American citizen born in New York?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 15, 2016, 11:01:36 AM
The problem is that you are clueless about how our judicial system works. Judges are court officers sworn to a code of conduct. Jurors are not.
And you're saying there are no crooked judges? Read what I wrote again and then answer my question.
Quote from: me on June 15, 2016, 05:05:34 PM
And you're saying there are no crooked judges? Read what I wrote again and then answer my question.
I will not. Trump is a racist and you're simply trying to spin this into something it isn't.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 17, 2016, 10:07:46 AM
I will not. Trump is a racist and you're simply trying to spin this into something it isn't.
So a white person saying a judge is Mexican, which he is, is being racise but a Mexican saying a judge is white doesn't make him a racist, is that what you're saying? Seems like somewhat of a double standard to me.
Quote from: me on June 17, 2016, 11:10:58 AM
So a white person saying a judge is Mexican, which he is, is being racise but a Mexican saying a judge is white doesn't make him a racist, is that what you're saying? Seems like somewhat of a double standard to me.
Damn, you're dense. :rolleyes:
Saying the judge is Mexican doesn't make him a racist. Saying that the judge can't render a fair decision
because he's a Mexican is what makes him a racist.
Can't you see the difference?
Quote from: Locutus on June 17, 2016, 11:32:16 AM
Damn, you're dense. :rolleyes:
Saying the judge is Mexican doesn't make him a racist. Saying that the judge can't render a fair decision because he's a Mexican is what makes him a racist.
Can't you see the difference?
Blacks use that excuse with white judges and juries all the time so does that make them racist?
Quote from: me on June 17, 2016, 03:29:26 PM
Blacks use that excuse with white judges and juries all the time so does that make them racist?
Yes, if they actually do so and you aren't just pulling that "fact" out of your ass.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 17, 2016, 03:45:45 PM
Yes, if they actually do so and you aren't just pulling that "fact" out of your ass.
How stupid. To not be able to state a fact, a persons ethnic haritage, without being racist is just plain ridiculous. What does it change if they make the same statement without mentioning color or haritage?
Ex and Locutus, give up already! :wall: Some people will never get it. :-\
Nope. :wall:
Quote from: me on June 17, 2016, 04:39:51 PM
How stupid. To not be able to state a fact, a persons ethnic haritage, without being racist is just plain ridiculous. What does it change if they make the same statement without mentioning color or haritage?
You missed the whole point right here ------V
Quote from: Locutus on June 17, 2016, 11:32:16 AM
Saying the judge is Mexican doesn't make him a racist. Saying that the judge can't render a fair decision because he's a Mexican is what makes him a racist.
Quote from: Locutus on June 17, 2016, 05:19:08 PM
You missed the whole point right here ------V
No, I didn't miss the whole point but it sure seems as though ya'll did. Fact: he is Mexican, Fact: this could be the truth the way things are now, Fact: this not said in a derogatory way it is stating a possible fact.
Quote from: me on June 17, 2016, 05:49:36 PM
No, I didn't miss the whole point but it sure seems as though ya'll did. Fact: he is Mexican, Fact: this could be the truth the way things are now, Fact: this not said in a derogatory way it is stating a possible fact.
.... and intimating that it's a "possible fact" because "he's a Mexican" is what makes it racist.
Gawd damn!! Sometimes it's really hard for me to tell if you're really fucking stupid or are just trolling for comments. :roll eyes: I don't think I've ever run across someone as dense as you apparently are if the former is the case. :no:
Quote from: Locutus on June 17, 2016, 06:40:13 PM
.... and intimating that it's a "possible fact" because "he's a Mexican" is what makes it racist.
Gawd damn!! Sometimes it's really hard for me to tell if you're really fucking stupid or are just trolling for comments. :roll eyes: I don't think I've ever run across someone as dense as you apparently are if the former is the case. :no:
I just think the whole thing is stupid that a white person doesn't dare mention something like that but it's ok for any other race to do it. Some more of that divisive crap.
Quote from: me on June 17, 2016, 05:49:36 PM
. . . Fact: he is Mexican . . .
Fact- He is an American
Fact- He is an American of Mexican Heritage
Fact- This whole line of dialog is nothing more than a diversionary tactic designed to divide Americans.
Fact- It is working. . .
Trump has fired his campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. What Trump fails to realize is that he himself is responsible for his problems; not his campaign manager.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 20, 2016, 12:07:43 PM
Trump has fired his campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. What Trump fails to realize is that he himself is responsible for his problems; not his campaign manager.
:rolleyes:
And let's hope he never figures it out! :yes:
Finally the Crazies :dizzy2: that support Trump have truly fucked the Republican Party. :knife: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :choo: :trustme: :haha: :haha: :zoners:
I posted this late last night on another thread, but it made such an impression on me that I am still thinking about it today and want it here also, in a thread with Trump's name on it.
Quote from: libby on July 11, 2016, 12:05:14 AM
This is for Me and HH: "The republican candidate is one of the few politicians in the United States capable of making Hillary Clinton appear sympathetic on the worst day of her campaign. Donald Trump -- again falling off the teleprompter wagon -- accused the attorney general of bribery, obsessively defended an anti-Semitic meme and praised Saddam Hussein for being "really good at killing terrorists." On the evidence of Halabja, Hussein was also really good at killing women and children with mustard gas, tabun and VX. "Saddam Hussein throws a little gas," Trump mocked in December, "everyone goes crazy, 'Oh, he's using gas!"
Just to be clear: Any leader who makes light of the largest chemical weapons attack on civilians in history -- which, among other horrors sent children into convulsions and respiratory failure -- has a moral screw loose, a sickness of the soul. Paul Ryan and Reince Priebus, meet the man you have endorsed."
From: The Triumph of Cynicism, by Michael Gerson (R)
The Washington Post, Friday, July 8, 2016
www.washingtonpost.com
I am so happy :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: The Democratic Party and I couldn't have a better person to run against than the Blow Hard, Buffoon Donald Trump. :trustme: The Donald is pure :poop: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: libby on July 11, 2016, 11:08:38 AM
I posted this late last night on another thread, but it made such an impression on me that I am still thinking about it today and want it here also, in a thread with Trump's name on it.
If you have followed Trump and his speeches, you would KNOW exactly what he meant about Sadaam. He wasn't praising him, but making a point. Anybody, with any sense, KNEW what he meant....He wasn't even REMOTELY "making light of the largest chemical weapons attack on civilians in history"....
but the liberal media picks it up and runs with it.
Which, I will admit, he is only giving them fuel when he says things the way he does....I don't always agree with the way he states certain things, but I have learned his heart and intent. He truly IS wanting to make American great Again.....He is smart enough to get smart people around him to accomplish many, many of his promises.
He has the capability to negotiate with the dems, to get things done....It is my belief, that Hillary does not have that talent. She has not accomplished anything to show this. If she has, please share with me. I will wait.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 12:45:51 PM
...but I have learned his heart and intent.
How did you do that, have sex with him?
QuoteHe has the capability to negotiate with the dems, to get things done...
BAHAHAHAHA! He can't even get a good portion of his own party to side with him and you think the dems would negotiate with him? You are truly delusional.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 01:14:31 PM
How did you do that, have sex with him?
BAHAHAHAHA! He can't even get a good portion of his own party to side with him and you think the dems would negotiate with him? You are truly delusional.
are you nuts? he has a RECORD amount of GOP voters voting for him in the primaries....and the vast majority of those who haven't supported him, WILL. Just wait until the convention.....
the latest poll has him Trump over Hillary (I know it don't mean squat....but, it IS a tight race, and the race really hasn't even begun)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 02:24:38 PM
the latest poll has him Trump over Hillary (I know it don't mean squat....but, it IS a tight race, and the race really hasn't even begun)
Which poll?
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2016, 02:33:54 PM
Which poll?
He meant pole...the one he sat on when he learned Trump's heart. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2016, 02:33:54 PM
Which poll?
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/rasmussen-24836
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 03:25:07 PM
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/rasmussen-24836
Ah! The famous Rasmussen poll which was notably
wrong in the last election cycle. :rolleyes:
You should really broaden your horizons and stop using sources that only feed you what you want to hear.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2016, 04:22:15 PM
Ah! The famous Rasmussen poll which was notably wrong in the last election cycle. :rolleyes:
You should really broaden your horizons and stop using sources that only feed you what you want to hear.
I would have bet a dollar to a doughnut you was going to say EXACTLY what you just said....that is always you line, despite my source. You say what YOU want to hear.
No, I say what the data supports. These data are along the same lines as the last data that I used when I was right and you were wrong. Mathematicians and statisticians typically throw out data that are askew. It's pretty clear which data point is askew here.
See the attachments. :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 02:51:41 PM
He meant pole...the one he sat on when he learned Trump's heart. :icon_twisted:
:rotfl:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 02:51:41 PM
He meant pole...the one he sat on when he learned Trump's heart. :icon_twisted:
:haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 05:06:40 PM
I would have bet a dollar to a doughnut you was going to say EXACTLY what you just said....that is always you line, despite my source. You say what YOU want to hear.
"Many members of the public have already made up their mind about Trumponomics, Europe, or climate change. All they focus on is finding information that confirms their split-second decisions. Information that challenges their beliefs is carefully ignored; it could make them uncomfortable and require them to think again."
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 08:25:22 AM
"Many members of the public have already made up their mind about Trumponomics, Europe, or climate change. All they focus on is finding information that confirms their split-second decisions. Information that challenges their beliefs is carefully ignored; it could make them uncomfortable and require them to think again."
That works both ways and if you think any differently, you are nut.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 08:32:48 AM
That works both ways and if you think any differently, you are nut.
Did you happen to notice what's askew in the information I posted above? :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 08:32:48 AM
That works both ways and if you think any differently, you are nut.
It can but is much more common among unintelligent, uneducated people.
I sure wish I was as educated as you two so I could think of all these clever things to add to the discussions which are so relevent and meaningful. Bet you both were a hit on your debate teams with such clever input.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 08:58:51 AM
It can but is much more common among unintelligent, uneducated people.
which represents the progressive party!!!!
Tell me how many of those in Public Housing are educated?
Tell me how many of those on Medicaid are educated?
Tell me how many of those on Food Stamps are educated?
Tell me how many of those drawing Unemployment Compensation are educated?
Tell me how many of those on Welfare/Public Assistance are educated?
I'm not going down the road of who is unintelligent or not....but I can sure say anyone who votes for Hillary, the possibly most corrupt person EVER to run for POTUS, cannot be TOO intelligent. There is no other valid reason...there just isn't.
Quote from: me on July 12, 2016, 12:33:19 PM
I sure wish I was as educated as you two so I could think of all these clever things to add to the discussions which are so relevent and meaningful.
Well, you aren't so suck it up.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 12:40:30 PM
which represents the progressive party!!!!
Tell me how many of those in Public Housing are educated?
Tell me how many of those on Medicaid are educated?
Tell me how many of those on Food Stamps are educated?
Tell me how many of those drawing Unemployment Compensation are educated?
Tell me how many of those on Welfare/Public Assistance are educated?
Do you think the people in those groups constitute the majority of liberals?
Quote...but I can sure say anyone who votes for Hillary, the possibly most corrupt person EVER to run for POTUS, cannot be TOO intelligent.
An intelligent person would have researched the narrative about Hillary being corrupt and would have learned that it is a bullshit narrative invented and spread by conservative liars. It isn't true no matter how many times you say it.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 12:46:52 PM
Do you think the people in those groups constitute the majority of liberals?
Yes, without a doubt, I know for a fact, they constitute an enormous amount of democrat voters.......throw in those who think they will get a free education if they vote democrat....there is a whole list of folks, who are looking for a free ticket that will vote for whoever.
Also according to gallup (http://www.gallup.com/poll/154559/us-presidential-election-center.aspx)....those making $90,000 and more voted for Romney over Obama....those making less than $36,000 voted for Obama over Romney....more of the College graduates voted for Romney over Obama
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 12:46:52 PM
An intelligent person would have researched the narrative about Hillary being corrupt and would have learned that it is a bullshit narrative invented and spread by conservative liars. It isn't true no matter how many times you say it.
It doesn't take a nuclear scientist to merely follow what is going on and determine that she is a liar and corrupt.....
the latest ABC News polls (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-disapproves-decision-charge-clinton-emails-poll/story?id=40445344) clearly suggest this too....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 01:00:55 PM
Yes, without a doubt, I know for a fact, they constitute an enormous amount of democrat voters...
No, they don't. The groups you listed are a very small segment of the population.
Quote...more of the College graduates voted for Romney over Obama
Not those with advanced degrees, the best educated among us.
Quotethe latest ABC News polls clearly suggest this too....
You are seriously using an opinion poll to prove whether someone is honest or not? What a dunce! LMAO!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 02:15:32 PM
No, they don't. The groups you listed are a very small segment of the population.
Are you nuts? 46 million on food stamps is a small segment of the population? really? (btw, it is UP 16 million since Obama took office)
65 million on medicaid, that is a small segment of the population?
35.4 percent of all
309,467,000 people living in the United States in 2012....are taking federal welfare benefits. THAT is a small segment? ARE YOU NUTS?
That is over 1/3 of the population!
I thought you was all about FACTS? THESE are FACTS Ex.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 02:15:32 PM
Not those with advanced degrees, the best educated among us.
Prove it!
Yup!
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13626533_1263339873716773_8530767007316409171_n.jpg?oh=3ced094faca7374d0358e100fedfcda1&oe=57EDA7BA)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 02:41:44 PM
Prove it!
Go look at the link you provided. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 03:33:42 PM
Go look at the link you provided. :rolleyes:
I did, and unless I'm mistaken, there are no Romney v. Obama data in there at all. Not sure what Hank is trying to say, because that data only goes to the 2008 election.
Is this the data you're looking at or did I screw up?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154559/us-presidential-election-center.aspx
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 02:41:02 PM
Are you nuts? 46 million on food stamps is a small segment of the population? really? (btw, it is UP 16 million since Obama took office)
It's actually 43 million now, 44% of those are children who are too young to vote. 11.9% to disabled people and 10% elderly leaving less than a third of adults, most of whom are the parents of the aforementioned children. How many of these adults would you imagine actually vote and, considering that red states account for a dis-proportionally large segment of the population that receives federal benefits (look it up!), how many do you think actually vote liberal?
Quote65 million on medicaid, that is a small segment of the population?
Similar demographics to the SNAP program and again dis-proportionally allocated to red states. Again, look it up.
Quote35.4 percent of all 309,467,000 people living in the United States in 2012....are taking federal welfare benefits. THAT is a small segment? ARE YOU NUTS?
That is over 1/3 of the population!
So now everyone on Social Security votes for Democrats as well? I doubt you can substantiate that and the poll numbers you posted a link to don't support it either.
Quote from: Locutus on July 12, 2016, 03:40:49 PM
I did, and unless I'm mistaken, there are no Romney v. Obama data in there at all. Not sure what Hank is trying to say, because that data only goes to the 2008 election.
Is this the data you're looking at or did I screw up?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154559/us-presidential-election-center.aspx
He was looking at the poll numbers before the 2012 election but isn't smart enough to have noticed that they only went part of the way through October of that year.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 03:54:05 PM
He was looking at the poll numbers before the 2012 election but isn't smart enough to have noticed that they only went part of the way through October of that year.
My fault! I overlooked the tabs at the top there.
Quote from: Locutus on July 12, 2016, 03:40:49 PM
I did, and unless I'm mistaken, there are no Romney v. Obama data in there at all. Not sure what Hank is trying to say, because that data only goes to the 2008 election.
Is this the data you're looking at or did I screw up?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154559/us-presidential-election-center.aspx
Click on the 2012 demographics....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 05:16:27 PM
Click on the 2012 demographics....
Yeah, I didn't see the tabs.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 05:16:27 PM
Click on the 2012 demographics....
Those were from polls
before the election.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 13, 2016, 08:10:55 AM
Those were from polls before the election.
So, they were STILL polls reflecting demographics....(and btw, it was like 7 days before the election....OCT 28, 2012) :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 13, 2016, 09:34:26 AM
So, they were STILL polls reflecting demographics....(and btw, it was like 7 days before the election....OCT 28, 2012) :rolleyes:
You still lost. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 13, 2016, 10:03:28 AM
You still lost. :biggrin:
Because of the "unintelligent and uneducated people" voted (using YOUR words)....which was my whole point from the beginning!! ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 13, 2016, 12:49:48 PM
Because of the "unintelligent and uneducated people" voted (using YOUR words)....which was my whole point from the beginning!! ;)
No, because
everyone voted. Note that despite the majority of white men voting for him, Romney lost because he didn't have women, blacks or latinos, the same groups that Trump doesn't have now. It didn't work for you 4 years ago so I have no idea why you think it will work for you now.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 13, 2016, 01:20:21 PM
No, because everyone voted.
Not true, not true at all. Many Christians didn't vote because of Romney. Also, TRUMP has set a RECORD amount of voters this election.
and don't forget, he is running against a CROOK! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 08:29:22 AM
and don't forget, he is running against a CROOK! :yes:
Fixed this for you!
Donald Trump being presidential. (https://www.facebook.com/bloodyknucklesoriginal/videos/1097230480329396/) :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2016, 01:56:51 PM
Donald Trump being presidential. (https://www.facebook.com/bloodyknucklesoriginal/videos/1097230480329396/) :rolleyes:
;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 08:29:22 AM
Not true, not true at all. Many Christians didn't vote because of Romney. Also, TRUMP has set a RECORD amount of voters this election.
and don't forget, he is running against a CROOK! :yes:
Henry I know your too cheap to bet a $100 :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: and :no1: in cheapness. :yes: :biggrin: Since you are so wrong on Trump as you have been so wrong on the other elections. :haha: How about betting $10 to $100 on Trump winning. :rotfl: :rotfl: The Old Buffone is going down like a turkey :turk: on Thanks Giving Day. :fam: :hellur:
Trump got raped on 60 minutes tonight and Pence looked like the hypocritical fool he is. Saturday Night Live couldn't have written a funnier spoof if they tried.
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/13690776_10206342779909989_7714197114984303141_n.jpg?oh=1d578b113c4eaead753ea2e21959577b&oe=582F6CBF)
Hate I missed that. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 08:47:18 AM
Hate I missed that. ;D
Here you go! (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-trump-pence-republican-ticket/) :biggrin:
Dear God, and people are going to vote for him. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 09:15:09 AM
Dear God, and people are going to vote for him. :rolleyes:
I know; right?
Well the RNC opens tonight, and what's the theme for opening night?
"Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!!"
Repeat; repeat; repeat.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 09:15:09 AM
Dear Praise God, and people are going to vote for him. :smitten:
FIFY.... :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2016, 10:01:12 AM
FIFY.... :razz:
May not do much good if the force is with us. He's the absolute
last person we need running this country, especially now with his lap dog Pence along in tow.
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 10:04:36 AM
May not do much good if the force is with us. He's the absolute last person we need running this country, especially now with his lap dog Pence along in tow.
It is hard to take anyone series with statements like this, when Hillary Clinton is the opposing choice.......I mean REALLY??
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2016, 10:36:26 AM
It is hard to take anyone series with statements like this, when Hillary Clinton is the opposing choice.......I mean REALLY??
* serious
Illiterates for Trump 2016!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2016, 10:36:26 AM
It is hard to take anyone series with statements like this, when Hillary Clinton is the opposing choice.......I mean REALLY??
The fact remains that Hillary Clinton is
far more qualified to be president than Donald Trump.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 18, 2016, 11:34:43 AM
* serious
Illiterates for Trump 2016!
Don't forget the garden variety bigots as well.
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 12:31:58 PM
Don't forget the garden variety bigots as well.
They're typically one in the same.
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 12:31:26 PM
The fact remains that Hillary Clinton is far more qualified to be president than Donald Trump.
What has she accomplished that has been significant? Just being appointed to SOS, doesn't mean squat. What has she accomplished that made the world a better place?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2016, 12:43:24 PM
What has she accomplished that has been significant? Just being appointed to SOS, doesn't mean squat.
Are you for fucking real?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2016, 12:43:24 PM
What has she accomplished that has been significant? Just being appointed to SOS, doesn't mean squat. What has she accomplished that made the world a better place?
I think you may be waiting a while for an answer HH. Should be interesting to see what he/they come up with though. ;)
Quote from: me on July 18, 2016, 01:06:06 PM
I think you may be waiting a while for an answer HH. Should be interesting to see what he/they come up with though. ;)
Here you go:
•First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College.
•President of the Wellesley Young Republicans
•Intern at the House Republican Conference
•Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School
•Editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action
•Appointed to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor.
•Co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
•Staff attorney for Children's Defense Fund
•Faculty member in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
•Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic.
•First female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
•First female partner at Rose Law Firm.
•Former civil litigation attorney.
•Former Law Professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law.
•twice listed by The National Law Journal as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America
•Former First Lady of Arkansas.
•Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983
•Chair of the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession
•twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America
•created Arkansas's Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth
•led a task force that reformed Arkansas's education system
•Board of directors of Wal-Mart and several other corporations
•Instrumental in passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program
•Promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses
•Successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health
•Worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War (now recognized as Gulf War Syndrome)
•Helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice
•Initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act
•First FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree
•Traveled to 79 countries during time as FLOTUS
•Helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
•Served on five Senate committees:
-Committee on Budget (2001–2002)
-Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009)
-Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009)
-Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)
-Special Committee on Aging.
•Member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
•Instrumental in securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment
•Leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.
•In the aftermath of September 11th, she worked closely with her senior Senate counterpart from New York, Sen. Charles Schumer, on securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
• Middle East ceasefire. In November 2012, Secretary of State Clinton brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
•Introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.
•First ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate (and re-elected)
•Two-term New York Senator
-(senate stats here: https://www.govtrack.us/...)
-(voting record here: http://votesmart.org/...)
•Former US Secretary of State
•GRAMMY Award Winner
•Author
Now name one single thing either of you two inbred morons has ever accomplished?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 18, 2016, 01:11:40 PM
Here you go:
Now name one single thing either of you two inbred morons has ever accomplished?
I'm surprised you even dignified that with a reply. It really wasn't deserving of one.
Now let's look at what Trump has done to make the world a better place, shall we? From 1990 through 2009 Trump only contributed a paltry $3.7 million to his own charitable foundation! (http://newsexaminer.net/politics/donald-trump-the-least-charitable-billionaire/)
In contrast, last week Warren Buffet gave away $2.86 billion to charity, after having donated $2.84 billion last July and $2.8 billion in 2014. To put that into perspective, that means that Buffet has, in 3 years, given almost 2,300 times as much to charity as Trump gave in 20 years! Do you know why that's possible? Simple...because unlike Trump, Warren Buffet is an actual billionaire and he has the money to give away. Trump does not which is precisely why he will not disclose his tax returns. They would expose him for the fraud and poser that he is.
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 01:28:59 PM
I'm surprised you even dignified that with a reply. It really wasn't deserving of one.
Sometimes it is necessary to shine a very bright light on such abject ignorance.
How many of those things made the world a better place?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2016, 12:43:24 PM
What has she accomplished that has been significant? Just being appointed to SOS, doesn't mean squat. What has she accomplished that made the world a better place?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 18, 2016, 01:11:40 PM
Here you go:
•First ever student commencement speaker at Wellesley College.
•President of the Wellesley Young Republicans
•Intern at the House Republican Conference
•Distinguished graduate of Yale Law School
•Editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action
•Appointed to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor.
•Co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
•Staff attorney for Children's Defense Fund
•Faculty member in the School of Law at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville
•Former Director of the Arkansas Legal Aid Clinic.
•First female chair of the Legal Services Corporation
•First female partner at Rose Law Firm.
•Former civil litigation attorney.
•Former Law Professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law.
•twice listed by The National Law Journal as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America
•Former First Lady of Arkansas.
•Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983
•Chair of the American Bar Association's Commission on Women in the Profession
•twice named by the National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America
•created Arkansas's Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth
•led a task force that reformed Arkansas's education system
•Board of directors of Wal-Mart and several other corporations
•Instrumental in passage of the State Children's Health Insurance Program
•Promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses
•Successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health
•Worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War (now recognized as Gulf War Syndrome)
•Helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice
•Initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act
•First FLOTUS in US History to hold a postgraduate degree
•Traveled to 79 countries during time as FLOTUS
•Helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
•Served on five Senate committees:
-Committee on Budget (2001–2002)
-Committee on Armed Services (2003–2009)
-Committee on Environment and Public Works (2001–2009)
-Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (2001–2009)
-Special Committee on Aging.
•Member of the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe
•Instrumental in securing $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center site's redevelopment
•Leading role in investigating the health issues faced by 9/11 first responders.
•In the aftermath of September 11th, she worked closely with her senior Senate counterpart from New York, Sen. Charles Schumer, on securing $21.4 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
• Middle East ceasefire. In November 2012, Secretary of State Clinton brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.
•Introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, intended to protect children from inappropriate content found in video games.
•First ex-FLOTUS in US History to be elected to the United States Senate (and re-elected)
•Two-term New York Senator
-(senate stats here: https://www.govtrack.us/...)
-(voting record here: http://votesmart.org/...)
•Former US Secretary of State
•GRAMMY Award Winner
•Author
Now name one single thing either of you two inbred morons has ever accomplished?
Quote from: me on July 18, 2016, 03:13:47 PM
How many of those things made the world a better place?
Several of them.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 18, 2016, 03:14:57 PM
Several of them.
Well take out the ones that just made her richer or was only an accomplishment for her personally.
Quote from: me on July 18, 2016, 03:29:24 PM
Well take out the ones that just made her richer or was only an accomplishment for her personally.
Is it even possible for you to stop being an insufferable idiot for just a day? How about an hour?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 18, 2016, 03:50:54 PM
Is it even possible for you to stop being an insufferable idiot for just a day? How about an hour?
Yeah, how about an hour. :doh: :wait:
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 12:31:26 PM
The fact remains that Hillary Clinton is far more qualified to be president than Donald Trump.
There isn't ONE FACT even remotely remaining...she isn't even CLOSE to being an EXECUTIVE as Trump.......and this job is the CHIEF EXECUTIVE!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
There isn't ONE FACT even remotely remaining...she isn't even CLOSE to being an EXECUTIVE as Trump.......and this job is the CHIEF EXECUTIVE!
How here is a Poor Soul that truly has his head up his ass. Yes, Chicken Hawk Hank's head has became part of his ass. :trustme: Hank is already on the Clown Bus, allllll a board. :shortbus:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 18, 2016, 03:14:57 PM
Several of them.
Thank you for posting Hillary Clinton's qualifications, Ex, and also the 60 Minutes interview of Trump(which I missed). I think Trump truly does not have a clue that, although he's not stupid, he is embarrassingly ignorant when it comes to what is required, what it means, to be the President of the United States. The sad thing (for him) is that he was born rich and grew up thinking money could buy anything/everything. The scary thing (for us) is what the :rant: happens if he is elected POTUS? :spooked: :eek: :rolleyes:
Quote from: libby on July 18, 2016, 04:18:39 PM
Thank you for posting Hillary Clinton's qualifications, Ex, and also the 60 Minutes interview of Trump(which I missed). I think Trump truly does not have a clue that, although he's not stupid, he is embarrassingly ignorant when it comes to what is required, what it means, to be the President of the United States. The sad thing (for him) is that he was born rich and grew up thinking money could buy anything/everything. The scary thing (for us) is what the :rant: happens if he is elected POTUS? :spooked: :eek: :rolleyes:
It can't get any worse than the failed leadership we have had for the last couple of decades....
Shaking up Washington and getting the citizens fired up is what needs to happen and he is already accomplishing this and he isn't even elected yet.
Anti-Trump people are chanting and calling for a rules vote at the convention. It's going on as I type this. :rotfl:
The clown train rolls on! ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
It can't get any worse than the failed leadership we have had for the last couple of decades....
Shaking up Washington and getting the citizens fired up is what needs to happen and he is already accomplishing this and he isn't even elected yet.
He's an idiot and so are the people voting for him.
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
Anti-Trump people are chanting and calling for a rules vote at the convention. It's going on as I type this. :rotfl:
The clown train rolls on! ;D
Yes indeed. All they need is a ringmaster. . .oh wait. . . THAT's what Rump is for! :big grin:
4 more years of democratic leadership in the Oval Office; coming right up! :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2016, 05:00:53 PM
He's an idiot and so are the people voting for him.
eh, your and idiot.
How's that!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 08:29:44 AM
eh, your you're and idiot.
How's that!
Yet I had to fix that for you.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2016, 08:46:12 AM
Yet I had to fix that for you.
:rolleyes:
Still an idiot....
Last night's angry convention was topped of with a bit of plagiarism.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 08:47:16 AM
Still an idiot....
I would put my intellect and thinking up against yours any day. It's demonstrated here almost daily. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2016, 09:07:56 AM
I would put my intellect and thinking up against yours any day. It's demonstrated here almost daily. :rolleyes:
Indeed.
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2016, 09:07:56 AM
I would put my intellect and thinking up against yours any day. It's demonstrated here almost daily. :rolleyes:
You are STILL an IDIOT. You prove it on a daily basis. You are merely on a site where you can get by with saying some of the retarded stuff you say. In the real world, you're "intellect" would get smashed.
There how's that for some 'coffee talk'.... :razz:
I may not be the best at articulating my point of view........I never claimed it to be. I know plenty of folks who would destroy you in a debate on most of these topics....and they do it with class, and never have to resort to name-calling like you and your counter part here does.
It did kind of feel good to call you an "idiot".........but, I am lowering myself down to a....whoops, there I go again. You guys are rubbing off on me.
;D I do see the fun...
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2016, 09:07:21 AM
Last night's angry convention was topped of with a bit of plagiarism.
-- which has turned into a major story. I got up at 6, made my coffee, turned to Morning Joe, and there they were, Joe and Mika and others all excited and talking at once about the beautiful, intelligent, charming Mrs. Trump's speech! Plagarism! From Michele Obama! :lol:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 10:14:32 AM
You are STILL an IDIOT. You prove it on a daily basis. You are merely on a site where you can get by with saying some of the retarded stuff you say. In the real world, you're "intellect" would get smashed.
There how's that for some 'coffee talk'.... :razz:
I may not be the best at articulating my point of view........I never claimed it to be. I know plenty of folks who would destroy you in a debate on most of these topics....and they do it with class, and never have to resort to name-calling like you and your counter part here does.
It did kind of feel good to call you an "idiot".........but, I am lowering myself down to a....whoops, there I go again. You guys are rubbing off on me.
;D I do see the fun...
Bullshit! I would gladly take on any of your 'friends,' who think like you do.
There isn't any way Trump can do even 1/4 of what he says he's going to do, yet idiots like you believe him and are going to vote for him "because he says what I'm thinking!" What he's saying speaks volumes about him, and the fact that you're voting for him speaks volumes about you.
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2016, 10:59:27 AM
There isn't any way Trump can do even 1/4 of what he says he's going to do
Oh! I forgot you are a businessman who has mad several BILLION on doing what he says he can do...Yeah, you are probably much more intelligent than Trump and know WAY more about economics than he does.......yeah that's it Lo!
You should be running for POTUS.....you being such the intellect and all.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 11:07:00 AM
Oh! I forgot you are a businessman who has mad several BILLION on doing what he says he can do...Yeah, you are probably much more intelligent than Trump and know WAY more about economics than he does.......yeah that's it Lo!
You should be running for POTUS.....you being such the intellect and all.
I do own my own business and have done quite well at it. I'm not saying I'm smarter than anyone. What I'm saying is Trump is making a bunch of promises that he can't keep. That's not me saying that, it's simply the facts of the matter. Yet he's spewing lies, appealing the to the basest instincts of his sub-100 IQ primary supporters, and that's why he's done what he's done and is about to become the Republican nominee. He's the personification of all of the vile ugliness that's been percolating below the surface of the Republican Party for the last 8 years. Now that ugliness is on display for all to see.
Like I said before. It speaks volumes about him, and it speaks volumes about his supporters. You included.
Quote from: libby on July 19, 2016, 10:18:24 AM
-- which has turned into a major story. I got up at 6, made my coffee, turned to Morning Joe, and there they were, Joe and Mika and others all excited and talking at once about the beautiful, intelligent, charming Mrs. Trump's speech! Plagarism! From Michele Obama! :lol:
Intellectual dishonesty at its finest.
Quote from: libby on July 19, 2016, 10:18:24 AM
-- which has turned into a major story. I got up at 6, made my coffee, turned to Morning Joe, and there they were, Joe and Mika and others all excited and talking at once about the beautiful, intelligent, charming Mrs. Trump's speech! Plagarism! From Michele Obama! :lol:
"In hindsight, it did seem odd when Melania talked about the challenges of being a black woman at Princeton." - Michael Crowley :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2016, 11:16:54 AM
I do own my own business and have done quite well at it. I'm not saying I'm smarter than anyone. What I'm saying is Trump is making a bunch of promises that he can't keep. That's not me saying that, it's simply the facts of the matter. Yet he's spewing lies, appealing the to the basest instincts of his sub-100 IQ primary supporters, and that's why he's done what he's done and is about to become the Republican nominee. He's the personification of all of the vile ugliness that's been percolating below the surface of the Republican Party for the last 8 years. Now that ugliness is on display for all to see.
Like I said before. It speaks volumes about him, and it speaks volumes about his supporters. You included.
Show me a POTUS who HAS kept every promise he keeps. The bottom line is you have NO CLUE as if he can keep his promises or not. NO CLUE. You can speculate, but for you to say it can't be done is merely your progressive, close-minded attitude.
Those of us on the right feel that it was Obama's sub-100 IQ supporters, that won his job as POTUS, and he has done nothing but secure future positions by the left by feeding this group lie after lie.
This vile ugliness that is percolating has been magnified by those on the left. Declaring racism, when it didn't exist. Martin, Ferguson, Freddie Gray....supporting groups like BLM which is the epitome of a HATE GROUP....turning our Cop massacre in Dallas into a 2nd amendment issue, and calling ISIS the B-team and that some of the attacks here on our own land just work-place violence, instead of terrorist attack by Radical Islamic Militants....thinking that allowing Syrian refugees into our land without any background checks or vetting is a good thing, despite Homeland Security shouting it is a dangerous move.
And YES, you did say you are smarter.....this arrogance that is typical by most liberals is another reason as to why this nation is being divided.
I will fight with every fiber I have to see that Trump is elected. If the democrats really gave a damn about this nation they would have tried to get someone other than Hillary Clinton, who is probably the most corrupt person to ever run for the WH....yet, you guys foolishly believe she is the most qualified to ever run..........it is completely asinine what is going on....but you can bet your ass that it speaks VOLUME as to the kind of people that support her.
Put that in pipe... :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2016, 11:17:35 AM
Intellectual dishonesty at its finest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6x1H08aFc
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
This vile ugliness that is percolating has been magnified by those on the left. Declaring racism, when it didn't exist. Martin, Ferguson, Freddie Gray....supporting groups like BLM which is the epitome of a HATE GROUP....turning our Cop massacre in Dallas into a 2nd amendment issue, and calling ISIS the B-team and that some of the attacks here on our own land just work-place violence, instead of terrorist attack by Radical Islamic Militants....thinking that allowing Syrian refugees into our land without any background checks or vetting is a good thing, despite Homeland Security shouting it is a dangerous move.
There is more than a little irony in your saying that racism doesn't exist and then providing several examples that prove not only that it does but that you are, yourself, a racist.
QuoteI will fight with every fiber I have to see that Trump is elected.
LMFAO! Fight how, exactly; sit on your fat ass typing out badly constructed sentences rife with misspellings?
Quote...Hillary Clinton, who is probably the most corrupt person to ever run for the WH...
As I've said numerous times before, continuing to repeat this lie will never make it true.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
Show me a POTUS who HAS kept every promise he keeps. The bottom line is you have NO CLUE as if he can keep his promises or not. NO CLUE. You can speculate, but for you to say it can't be done is merely your progressive, close-minded attitude.
No president has kept every promise he makes HH. The difference is, the facts bear out that Trump can't deliver on what he's promising to the idiots willing to believe him. The economics of the wall have been pointed out. It can't be done. Also, how is he going to find, process, and deport all of those illegal immigrants? How is he going to ban all Muslims from entering the country? These promises fail the smell test from the get go to anyone who is really thinking clearly.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
Those of us on the right feel that it was Obama's sub-100 IQ supporters, that won his job as POTUS, and he has done nothing but secure future positions by the left by feeding this group lie after lie.
You've been asked before to point out some facts to support this "gloom and doom" assessment of this country, yet you can't. They don't exist.
Despite all of you 'real thinkers' beliefs, there is a distinct dissonance between what you believe to be true, and what's actually true. Our economic recovery is now the 4th longest on record, the stock market is doing great (at an all-time high), unemployment is around 5%, and wages are finally starting to rise.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
This vile ugliness that is percolating has been magnified by those on the left. Declaring racism, when it didn't exist. Martin, Ferguson, Freddie Gray....supporting groups like BLM which is the epitome of a HATE GROUP....turning our Cop massacre in Dallas into a 2nd amendment issue, and calling ISIS the B-team and that some of the attacks here on our own land just work-place violence, instead of terrorist attack by Radical Islamic Militants....thinking that allowing Syrian refugees into our land without any background checks or vetting is a good thing, despite Homeland Security shouting it is a dangerous move.
Like has been pointed out to you before, this same bullshit has been spouted by idiots like you who don't see what's really going on. The election of Obama didn't cause racism and division, it simply magnified what was already there just under the surface. The election of a 'nig*er' to the office of POTUS just gave all of the inbred, racist, redneck illiterates a focal point at which to spew their vile bile. As I've said before, it's no mere coincidence that the tea party idiots morphed from mere couch potatoes to "in your face" activists at the same time the first black man was elected POTUS. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
And YES, you did say you are smarter.....this arrogance that is typical by most liberals is another reason as to why this nation is being divided.
This country is being divided by divisive partisan politics sans anyone doing any real thinking. The Democrats and Republicans largely think there is very little crossover votes to be had on either side, so they pander to the base instead of trying to work together. You can see what the Republicans want by the buttons Trump is pressing. Racism; nationalism; xenophobia. It doesn't speak well for them.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 12:15:42 PM
I will fight with every fiber I have to see that Trump is elected. If the democrats really gave a damn about this nation they would have tried to get someone other than Hillary Clinton, who is probably the most corrupt person to ever run for the WH....yet, you guys foolishly believe she is the most qualified to ever run..........it is completely asinine what is going on....but you can bet your ass that it speaks VOLUME as to the kind of people that support her.
Put that in pipe... :yes:
Hillary Clinton is not without faults. However, she is far and away more qualified than Donald Trump will EVER be. Do you really want someone like Trump, with his narcissism and flawed temperament, possibly having to make national security decisions in a sudden manner? To have our vast military capabilities and power at his disposal? That scares the fuck out of me and it should you too.
Think about it for once.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2016, 01:51:53 PM
LMFAO! Fight how, exactly; sit on your fat ass typing out badly constructed sentences rife with misspellings?
:rotfl:
:yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 01:18:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6x1H08aFc
Uh, you're aware that Duval Patrick and Obama often shared strategies and Patrick actually encouraged Obama to use his words, right?
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2016, 01:58:20 PM
Like has been pointed out to you before, this same bullshit has been spouted by idiots like you who don't see what's really going on. The election of Obama didn't cause racism and division, it simply magnified what was already there just under the surface. The election of a 'nig*er' to the office of POTUS just gave all of the inbred, racist, redneck illiterates a focal point at which to spew their vile bile. As I've said before, it's no mere coincidence that the tea party idiots morphed from mere couch potatoes to "in your face" activists at the same time the first black man was elected POTUS. :rolleyes:
Anyone who questions this needs only to consider the facts objectively. The typical mantra of these racists implies that 'those' people are lazy and that instead of always expecting handouts, they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps, work hard and go out and make something of themselves. We have in Obama someone who has done exactly that. Raised in a modest single-parent home, he worked his way through college and law school and ultimately became the President Of The United States. If that is not an example of someone who worked hard and made something of himself, I'm not sure what is but they still see him as just another thug nig*er.
See,
We are getting back to where I was a few months ago.
There is no reason for this forum to actually exist, at least politically. There isn't one word that you can say that will change my stance on this election. Nor is there anything I will ever say to you guys.
Name calling doesn't bother me anymore other than it just gets old and pointless.
As hard as it may be, I am going to restrain from further political discussions.......it will more than likely turn bad. I don't have the desire for that.
It isn't fun as is once was.....it is the same as always.
I will still follow in these threads...the old saying keep your friend close and your enemies closer is a large reason I come here in the first place.....except I DO consider most of you a "friend".
I leave my political posting until November when Trump is elected POTUS.... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 02:26:33 PM
See,
We are getting back to where I was a few months ago.
There is no reason for this forum to actually exist, at least politically. There isn't one word that you can say that will change my stance on this election. Nor is there anything I will ever say to you guys.
Name calling doesn't bother me anymore other than it just gets old and pointless.
As hard as it may be, I am going to restrain from further political discussions.......it will more than likely turn bad. I don't have the desire for that.
It isn't fun as is once was.....it is the same as always.
I will still follow in these threads...the old saying keep your friend close and your enemies closer is a large reason I come here in the first place.....except I DO consider most of you a "friend".
I leave my political posting until November when Trump is elected POTUS.... :yes:
You're sick, sick, sick Bunky Bird. :haha: Now I really mean this Henry, you are mentally sick. :sick: Friends??? :no: No Henry I could never be friends with some so mentally sick. You surely can't believe that Trump should be president. So bye, bye Turkey Bird. :hellur:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2016, 02:26:33 PM
As hard as it may be, I am going to restrain from further political discussions.......it will more than likely turn bad. I don't have the desire for that.
You've said that before.
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Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2016, 02:44:49 PM
You've said that before.
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I'll bet he opines if we ask him. ;D
Right Hank?
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This plagiarism thing is another example of Trump's tactics.
Rather than waiting for it to blow over, because it eventually will, amazingly the Trump campaign now ups the ante. This election is such a circus.
"Campaign manager Paul Manafort not only denied the accusations (he called them "crazy" on CNN Tuesday morning) but he suggested that the reaction was because Hillary Clinton felt "threatened...I mean, this is, once again, an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down. It's not going to work," he added."
:rolleyes:
Melania Trump has just issued a statement on the plagiarism accusations: "These accusations about my speech hurt not only me, but also hurt my children, Sasha and Malia." :biggrin:
:rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2016, 03:11:14 PM
This plagiarism thing is another example of Trump's tactics.
Rather than waiting for it to blow over, because it eventually will, amazingly the Trump campaign now ups the ante. This election is such a circus.
"Campaign manager Paul Manafort not only denied the accusations (he called them "crazy" on CNN Tuesday morning) but he suggested that the reaction was because Hillary Clinton felt "threatened...I mean, this is, once again, an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, how she seeks out to demean her and take her down. It's not going to work," he added."
:rolleyes:
Hillary felt threatened?! :rotfl: Manafort is crazy.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2016, 03:38:43 PM
Melania Trump has just issued a statement on the plagiarism accusations: "These accusations about my speech hurt not only me, but also hurt my children, Sasha and Malia." :biggrin:
:lol:
After hearing Melania's speech at the RNC I have to admit that Trump is right; immigrants really are stealing stuff from hard working Americans!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 20, 2016, 08:32:24 AM
After hearing Melania's speech at the RNC I have to admit that Trump is right; immigrants really are stealing stuff from hard working Americans!
You know what they have been saying for years? These immigrants will do jobs that Americans won't do. :wink: I guess American women wouldn't marry a dancing bull shitting pig like Donald Trump. :pigdance: :zoners:
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^^ Truth!
Ben Carson was pretty laughable last night when he invoked Lucifer. ;D
Today's version of Melania's story about her speech, according to MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell, is that although some reputable writers were hired to write a draft for her, she decided to consult a friend -- who is a ballet dancer and an "English major" -- to look at what they wrote. Well, friend did, and obviously paid attention when Melania voiced admiration for Michelle Obama.
Also on the Andrea Mitchell program, a female voice, allegedly the friend, 'fessed up and took the blame for verbatim -- and close to -- remarks from Michelle Obama's speech.
One thing for sure: if Trump becomes POTUS, things will not be dull.
Quote from: Locutus on July 20, 2016, 02:28:45 PM
Ben Carson was pretty laughable last night when he invoked Lucifer. ;D
Sorry I missed that. I can't stand him.
Quote from: libby on July 20, 2016, 03:28:02 PM
Sorry I missed that. I can't stand him.
He was on last. ;D
Mike Pence is getting ready to speak. :rolleyes:
I am just about cross-eyed from watching for so long. But before I say good night, a question: did you catch Rachel Maddow's interview of Tony Schwartz? He was ghostwriter for Trump's book, The Art of the Deal. :eek: :spooked:
I don't think Pence believes Trump can win and is setting himself up to run in 2020. Cruz obviously is.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 21, 2016, 07:51:38 AM
Cruz obviously is.
Absolutely. Got himself booed big time. ;D
I thought I was done having to listen to his annoying voice after the primaries, and there he was again. He wouldn't shut up either.
You know what would really make me sick? :confused: Seeing a bus full of Republicans going over a 3000 foot cliff. :shortbus: Knowing that the driver was a hard working, nonvoter making minimum wage was kill too. :yes:
For I believe that all and I do mean all :zoners: :thumbsup: :tiphat:
I'm working on a buzz so I can make it through listening to Trump tonight. ;D
:beers:
Quote from: Locutus on July 21, 2016, 07:30:13 PM
I'm working on a buzz so I can make it through listening to Trump tonight. ;D
:beers:
I think that's the only way to watch Trump! I'm right there with you, Locutus! :biggrin: :food4:
:big grin:
I had to take him sober -- don't drink because I have a bit of glaucoma. Don't know if he's still at it. Just couldn't take any more so turned the TV off. :rolleyes:
Guys, let me tell ya! He hit it out of the park!!! One of the best speeches I have heard in a long time.....and Trumps best by far!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2016, 07:42:21 AM
Guys, let me tell ya! He hit it out of the park!!! One of the best speeches I have heard in a long time.....and Trumps best by far!
You're as bat shit crazy as he is. If Ivanka will blow me for my vote, I'm in, though.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 22, 2016, 08:10:01 AM
You're as bat shit crazy as he is. If Ivanka will blow me for my vote, I'm in, though.
:rotfl:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2016, 07:42:21 AM
Guys, let me tell ya! He hit it out of the park!!! . . .
Too bad it was foul. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 22, 2016, 06:50:51 PM
Too bad it was foul. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 22, 2016, 08:10:01 AM
You're as bat shit crazy as he is. If Ivanka will blow me for my vote, I'm in, though.
Another reply that translates to we have nothing so we'll just make a smart remark.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2016, 07:16:25 PM
Another reply that translates to we have nothing so we'll just make a smart remark.
:rolleyes: You cannot comprehend anything more.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 22, 2016, 08:10:01 AM
You're as bat shit crazy as he is. If Ivanka will blow me for my vote, I'm in, though.
Now why would you say that? Do you ha e a reason to think she would actually consider it or are you just once again proving some men sit on their brains.
Can Aerosmith, R.E.M., Neil Young, The Rolling Stones, and the estate of the late George Harrison (R.I.P.), all be wrong? (I think not).
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/22/media/trump-george-harrison-rnc/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/22/media/trump-george-harrison-rnc/index.html)
Their consistent copyright infringement upon the world's musicians is a clear validation of the hypocrisy that is rampant within their party and personal lives. They who not so long ago preached "personal responsibility" blatantly ignore it with impunity. . . :mad:
What will they do to your rights? :eek:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 22, 2016, 08:15:17 PM
Can Aerosmith, R.E.M., Neil Young, The Rolling Stones, and the estate of the late George Harrison (R.I.P.), all be wrong? (I think not).
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/22/media/trump-george-harrison-rnc/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/22/media/trump-george-harrison-rnc/index.html)
Their consistent copyright infringement upon the world's musicians is a clear validation of the hypocrisy that is rampant within their party and personal lives. They who not so long ago preached "personal responsibility" blatantly ignore it with impunity. . . :mad:
What will they do to your rights? :eek:
Get a grip for pete's sake. I couldn't tell from that clip if it was the original recording or someone else did it. If it was done by someone else and they changed a word or two they didn't have to get anyone's permission but then you should know that. I'm also sure that whoever put together the convention knew what they were doing and paid the proper fees to the proper places to use whatever they chose without asking anyone let alone the family of the deseased.
Anyone want to tell me again how Trump is not a racist? (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york?CMP=share_btn_tw)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2016, 12:23:13 PM
Anyone want to tell me again how Trump is not a racist? (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york?CMP=share_btn_tw)
"
In 1989 five young black men were wrongfully convicted of raping a woman jogging in New York City. Leading the charge against them was a real estate mogul whose divisive rhetoric can be found in his presidential campaign today. . ."
A leopard cannot change its spots. :yes:
Quote from: me on July 22, 2016, 08:47:18 PM
Get a grip for pete's sake. I couldn't tell from that clip if it was the original recording or someone else did it. If it was done by someone else and they changed a word or two they didn't have to get anyone's permission but then you should know that. I'm also sure that whoever put together the convention knew what they were doing and paid the proper fees to the proper places to use whatever they chose without asking anyone let alone the family of the deseased.
Ohh the irony! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2016, 12:23:13 PM
Anyone want to tell me again how Trump is not a racist? (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york?CMP=share_btn_tw)
I didn't hear him mention names, he said
"those people", and therefore was not being racist since he meant, in all probablilty, whoever done it. What this ad, and you, have both done is take an in general statement and added your own meaning to it by injecting your opinion of what he meant into the in general statement.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 22, 2016, 08:15:17 PM
Can Aerosmith, R.E.M., Neil Young, The Rolling Stones, and the estate of the late George Harrison (R.I.P.), all be wrong? (I think not).
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/22/media/trump-george-harrison-rnc/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/22/media/trump-george-harrison-rnc/index.html)
Their consistent copyright infringement upon the world's musicians is a clear validation of the hypocrisy that is rampant within their party and personal lives. They who not so long ago preached "personal responsibility" blatantly ignore it with impunity. . . :mad:
What will they do to your rights? :eek:
QuotePolitical campaigns are supposed to obtain licenses to play copyrighted music, according to music licensing lawyer Lawrence Iser. Or they can play songs from the convention hall's catalog of licensed music.
QuoteOn July 17, the day before the start of the four-day RNC, Queen protested Trump's "unauthorized use" of "We Are the Champions." But the RNC spokesman Sean Springer tweeted that the GOP convention paid to license the use of the song.
Quote from: me on July 24, 2016, 01:18:49 PM
I didn't hear him mention names, he said "those people", and therefore was not being racist since he meant, in all probablilty, whoever done it. What this ad, and you, have both done is take an in general statement and added your own meaning to it by injecting your opinion of what he meant into the in general statement.
You can't be serious.
And it's, "whoever did it." The verb 'to do' is one of the simplest in the English language; learn how to conjugate it. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2016, 02:10:22 PM
You can't be serious.
And it's, "whoever did it." The verb 'to do' is one of the simplest in the English language; learn how to conjugate it. :rolleyes:
Oh I think her history here shows she's quite serious. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 24, 2016, 01:18:49 PM
I didn't hear him mention names, he said "those people", and therefore was not being racist since he meant, in all probablilty, whoever done it. What this ad, and you, have both done is take an in general statement and added your own meaning to it by injecting your opinion of what he meant into the in general statement.
Did you read the entire article? Geesh. :rolleyes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 24, 2016, 02:42:54 PM
Did you read the entire article? Geesh. :rolleyes:
Do you see any names given in what he said?
QuoteHe paid a reported $85,000 to take out advertising space in four of the city's newspapers, including the New York Times. Under the headline "Bring Back The Death Penalty. Bring Back The Police!" and above his signature, Trump wrote: "I want to hate these muggers and murderers. They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence."
QuoteThat same night, a group of more than 30 youths had entered the park from East Harlem. Some engaged in a rampage of random criminality, hurling rocks at cars, assaulting and mugging passersby. Among the group was Salaam, along with 14-year-olds Raymond Santana and Kevin Richardson, 15-year-old Antron McCray and 16-year-old Korey Wise. The teenagers – four African American and one Hispanic – would become known collectively as the Central Park Five.
I guess you missed this part: "But examples of overt racism were perhaps kept behind closed doors in the late 1980s.
One year after the Central Park Five were convicted, John O'Donnell, a former executive who ran Trump Plaza hotel and casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, published a tell-all alluding to his former boss's casual racism behind closed doors.
He quoted Trump as saying: "I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.""
No he didn't mention names, but any one with half a brain knows what he was saying. And the above quote is pretty telling on his racism.
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 24, 2016, 03:46:12 PM
I guess you missed this part: "But examples of overt racism were perhaps kept behind closed doors in the late 1980s.
One year after the Central Park Five were convicted, John O'Donnell, a former executive who ran Trump Plaza hotel and casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, published a tell-all alluding to his former boss's casual racism behind closed doors.
He quoted Trump as saying: "I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.""
No he didn't mention names, but any one with half a brain knows what he was saying. And the above quote is pretty telling on his racism.
Just because someone say's a person said something does not make it true as I've been told many times on here. Putting it in a book or saying he said it does not mean he actually did say it.
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Quote from: me on July 24, 2016, 04:26:18 PM
Just because someone say's a person said something does not make it true as I've been told many times on here. Putting it in a book or saying he said it does not mean he actually did say it.
You don't have to read a damn book. All you have to do is listen to him. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 24, 2016, 04:38:04 PM
You don't have to read a damn book. All you have to do is listen to him. :roll eyes:
I haven't heard him say anything racist. Now I have heard him disagree with current policy which, according to libs, is racist but that doesn't count.
Quote from: me on July 24, 2016, 05:09:49 PM
I haven't heard him say anything racist. Now I have heard him disagree with current policy which, according to libs, is racist but that doesn't count.
So nothing about that Mexican judge was racist huh? Oh wait, we covered that already. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 24, 2016, 06:34:25 PM
So nothing about that Mexican judge was racist huh? Oh wait, we covered that already. :rolleyes:
Mentioning a persons nationality does not make one a racist.
Quote from: me on July 24, 2016, 07:07:26 PM
Mentioning a persons nationality does not make one a racist.
Claiming that that person can't be impartial because of his nationality is...all. day. long.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2016, 07:32:54 AM
Claiming that that person can't be impartial because of his nationality is...all. day. long.
No, it is not, especially if things in the past have happened to show that to be the case or comments he made show it.
Quote from: me on July 25, 2016, 08:11:47 AM
No, it is not, especially if things in the past have happened to show that to be the case or comments he made show it.
Racists hardly ever claim their own racism. They can't even see it. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on July 25, 2016, 08:44:48 AM
Racists hardly ever claim their own racism. They can't even see it. :wink:
Exactly, and I have said in the past, they are typically the absolute worst examples of their own race in virtually any category...physically, intellectually, educationally, socioeconomically...
The biggest part of it was invented by libs trying to bully people into voting for Obama. A lot of people voted for him only because he was black and no other reason. I, like a lot of other people including blacks, didn't agree with his policies and wasn't going to vote for him just to say I voted for the first black president. I also won't vote for Hillary just to say I voted for the first woman president.
Quote from: me on July 25, 2016, 09:21:18 AM
I, like a lot of other people including blacks, didn't agree with his policies...
You're so full of shit, you draw flies.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2016, 09:40:54 AM
You're so full of shit, you draw flies.
He is not all knowing and it would be unnatural for everyone to agree with him. You and some others act like he can do no wrong and that is just not true or logical.
Quote from: me on July 25, 2016, 09:54:19 AM
He is not all knowing and it would be unnatural for everyone to agree with him.
Of course it would but your objections to his "policies" have been proven time and again here to have no substance since a) you can't elucidate what those policies are and, b) things you have claimed to be his policies you don't like were shown to not be his policies at all.
QuoteYou and some others act like he can do no wrong and that is just not true or logical.
I have never said that he could do no wrong and have actually been critical over his failure to hold those responsible for the financial collapse accountable right here on this forum so your claim is without merit.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2016, 10:08:04 AM
Of course it would but your objections to his "policies" have been proven time and again here to have no substance since a) you can't elucidate what those policies are and, b) things you have claimed to be his policies you don't like were shown to not be his policies at all.
I have never said that he could do no wrong and have actually been critical over his failure to hold those responsible for the financial collapse accountable right here on this forum so your claim is without merit.
And I stated that by saying this administrations policies. I also said I did not like Hillary's health care either and that Obama didn't write, or most probably didn't give any input in, what we have now but he pushed it so therefore he agreed with it and started calling it Obamacare, or didn't object when it was tagged that.
Quote from: me on July 25, 2016, 10:27:25 AM
And I stated that by saying this administrations policies. I also said I did not like Hillary's health care either and that Obama didn't write, or most probably didn't give any input in, what we have now but he pushed it so therefore he agreed with it and started calling it Obamacare, or didn't object when it was tagged that.
So that's really all you've got? Obamacare? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2016, 11:20:05 AM
So that's really all you've got? Obamacare? :rolleyes:
Gun control, excutive orders, divisiveness, taking credit for only good things that happen even if he had little or nothing to do with it and blaming others for anything bad that happens even if it was his decision, releasing prisoners from guantanamo bay, especially the 5 for 1 trade. Shall I go on?
Quote from: me on July 25, 2016, 11:30:39 AM
Gun control, excutive orders, divisiveness, taking credit for only good things that happen even if he had little or nothing to do with it and blaming others for anything bad that happens even if it was his decision, releasing prisoners from guantanamo bay, especially the 5 for 1 trade. Shall I go on?
So, essentially you have nothing that every other president before him hasn't done or suggested but for whatever reason, Obama is wrong for it while people like Bush were not. That's what racism looks like and thank you for illustrating my point.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
So, essentially you have nothing that every other president before him hasn't done or suggested but for whatever reason, Obama is wrong for it while people like Bush were not. That's what racism looks like and thank you for illustrating my point.
I wasn't on here for some of the others. Clinton's white and I didn't like him either. I voted for Carter and he ended up being a joke. Wasn't real fond of Kennedy but he did ok and really didn't like Johnson. Don't like Hillary either and all these people are white. Now I do expect to get called a woman hater since I don't like Hill but that's par for the course with libs and a bully tactic. I liked Condi but don't like her sister and some of the things she's done for sure and I wish Cain was running and would have voted for him had he made it this far in the primary. Calling anyone who disagrees with Obama a racist is simply a tactic to keep people divided and you're falling for it big time. All this "code word" crap started with libs wanting to twist things to appear racist when they weren't is another bullying tactic to try to make people fall in line. You just keep right on drinking that :koolaid: if you want I choose not to.
Quote from: me on July 25, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
Calling anyone who disagrees with Obama a racist is simply a tactic to keep people divided and you're falling for it big time.
Calling anyone who agrees with Trump a racist is spot on! You simply continue to prove what we've known all along.
Dumb asses!
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Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
Calling anyone who agrees with Trump a racist is spot on! You simply continue to prove what we've known all along.
And what would you call the black people who are for Trump? This racist thing is really getting ridiculous.
Quote from: me on August 02, 2016, 09:58:56 AM
And what would you call the black people who are for Trump?
I would call them both idiots...same as any white person who is for Trump.
QuoteThis racist thing is really getting ridiculous.
What is ridiculous is those of you who deny it when it is blatantly obvious. Trump is a fucking racist and anyone who supports him is as well.
VFW strongly condemns Donald Trump. (http://www.politicususa.com/2016/08/01/republicans-nearing-state-collapse-vfw-strongly-condemns-donald-trump.html)
Those continuing to support him look more stupid by the minute.
Trump kicked a mother and her crying baby out of a rally today.
Heartless bastard.
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on August 02, 2016, 01:25:08 PM
Trump kicked a mother and her crying baby out of a rally today.
Heartless bastard.
:biggrin:
He could have stomped on the baby and his supporters would still follow him like their Cheeto Jesus.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 02, 2016, 01:41:05 PM
He could have stomped on the baby and his supporters would still follow him like their Cheeto Jesus.
Yeah, unfortunately, that's very true.
The baby was probably crying because it knew Trump was trying to destroy its future. :biggrin:
:biggrin:
The scary thing is, if he's elected, he may go a long way in doing just that.
I really would like to know what Trump would have to do to get "ME" and the Bird Boy Henry to not vote for him. :yes: :rant: Care to give us an answer, Hot Lips. :kiss:
Quote from: Locutus on August 02, 2016, 01:25:08 PM
Trump kicked a mother and her crying baby out of a rally today.
Heartless bastard.
:biggrin:
And where did you hear this?
Quote from: me on August 02, 2016, 09:12:41 PM
And where did you hear this?
It's here: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-kicks-out-baby-rally-226566 and here: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/donald-trump-ashburn-virginia-crying-baby/ and here: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-you-can-get-the-baby-out-of-here/
Need more? If so, google it, it's not hard to find.
Quote from: me on August 02, 2016, 09:12:41 PM
And where did you hear this?
Now I know you're just trolling. :roll eyes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 02, 2016, 09:25:28 PM
It's here: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-kicks-out-baby-rally-226566 and here: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/donald-trump-ashburn-virginia-crying-baby/ and here: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-you-can-get-the-baby-out-of-here/
Need more? If so, google it, it's not hard to find.
She doesn't believe anything from CNN. :roll eyes:
She believes her Facebook feed or the contents of her email inbox over anything CNN says. </sarcasm>
Quote from: Locutus on August 02, 2016, 09:27:49 PM
She doesn't believe anything from CNN. :roll eyes:
She believes her Facebook feed or the contents of her email inbox over anything CNN says. </sarcasm>
He didn't say it nasty and I'm thinking it was a joke done in poor taste more than anything. Should he have said it, no, but should he be vilified for it, no.
Quote from: me on August 02, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
He didn't say it nasty and I'm thinking it was a joke done in poor taste more than anything. Should he have said it, no, but should he be vilified for it, no.
He jokes about everything according to him. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 02, 2016, 10:14:10 PM
He jokes about everything according to him. :roll eyes:
Rather listen to jokes done in poor taste than the lies that roll out of Hillary's mouth.
Quote from: me on August 02, 2016, 10:17:55 PM
Rather listen to jokes done in poor taste than the lies that roll out of Hillary's mouth.
You're nuts. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 02, 2016, 10:19:30 PM
You're nuts. :roll eyes:
Nope, when you ask her about something and she said says she didn't say that then it's played back to her on a video and she still denies it saying that's not what she meant I'd say she's lying.
Quote from: Locutus on August 02, 2016, 10:19:30 PM
You're nuts. :roll eyes:
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
"It is clear to me that Secretary Clinton's temperament, global experience and commitment to America's bedrock national values make her the far better choice in 2016 for President of the United States," she said. "I urge all Republicans to reject Donald Trump this November." -- Meg Whitman
;D
Quote from: me on August 02, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
He didn't say it nasty and I'm thinking it was a joke done in poor taste more than anything. Should he have said it, no, but should he be vilified for it, no.
Really, then obviously you don't watch any of the news because he first said he loved babies and then he said get out of here.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on August 03, 2016, 10:59:34 AM
Really, then obviously you don't watch any of the news because he first said he loved babies and then he said get out of here.
I watched the clip and it was not said in a nasty way.
Quote from: me on August 03, 2016, 12:23:30 PM
I watched the clip and it was not said in a nasty way.
We all know the Donald Trump is crazy. :dizzy2: :sm39: :wacko: Now the Wackos want to give him the Nuclear Codes. :eek: :eek: :eek: Are they fucking crazy. :groan:
Quote from: The Troll on August 03, 2016, 11:15:34 PM
We all know the Donald Trump is crazy. :dizzy2: :sm39: :wacko: Now the Wackos want to give him the Nuclear Codes. :eek: :eek: :eek: Are they fucking crazy. :groan:
Aren't those codes only given after a person is elected? I can't see them having to have them at this point in the game.
Quote from: me on August 03, 2016, 11:43:57 PM
Aren't those codes only given after a person is elected? I can't see them having to have them at this point in the game.
Now I know you're just desperate for something to say. ;D
:razz:
Quote from: Locutus on August 04, 2016, 10:25:27 AM
Now I know you're just desperate for something to say. ;D
Quote from: me on August 03, 2016, 11:43:57 PM
Aren't those codes only given after a person is elected? I can't see them having to have them at this point in the game.
You're the crazy one Sweet Lips, you want him to be president and have the Nuclear Codes. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on August 04, 2016, 06:54:50 PM
You're the crazy one Sweet Lips, you want him to be president and have the Nuclear Codes. :rant:
I figure he'd be less likely to use it that old Hillary. She'd probably have it done away with and we'd get nuked.
There is a good side to Donald Trump. He does this for others too but you have to really dig to find it, I just happened to know about this and it was buried deeply in the searches. Some stories I had read a couple of months ago about this were no where to be found now. The second link was on a page that did have the entire story with pictures but this is what's there now.
http://www.indianaforefront.com/the-other-side-of-donald-trump/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4ntim9/til_that_donald_trump_stood_by_the_side_of_ryan/
Quote from: me on August 04, 2016, 08:50:33 PM
I figure he'd be less likely to use it that old Hillary. She'd probably have it done away with and we'd get nuked.
"ME" your hatred of Hilllary and the Democratic Party has to be a mental disease. :yes: You really don't know what side of your bread is buttered on. :rant: Just where would you be now with out Social Security, Medicare, Your husband union pension as a steel worker. We know damn well you didn't make much money when you were working. I would say substandard wages. :yes: Yet you want to kiss ass with the rich capitalist which is killing the middle class worker. :yes: Yes Baby Dolly, you certainly have your head up your ass. :trustme: :salute: Dumbass: :thubb:
Quote from: The Troll on August 04, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
"ME" your hatred of Hilllary and the Democratic Party has to be a mental disease. :yes: You really don't know what side of your bread is buttered on. :rant: Just where would you be now with out Social Security, Medicare, Your husband union pension as a steel worker. We know damn well you didn't make much money when you were working. I would say substandard wages. :yes: Yet you want to kiss ass with the rich capitalist which is killing the middle class worker. :yes: Yes Baby Dolly, you certainly have your head up your ass. :trustme: :salute: Dumbass: :thubb:
He was an
IRONWORKER dumbass not a steelworker. FYI I am not drawing on his pension just his social security.
Quote from: me on August 04, 2016, 11:44:25 PM
FYI I am not drawing on his pension just his social security.
I'm pretty sure that when you're taking money from the government that you did not personally pay in most people call that welfare.
The truth about Trump's so-called business "success". (http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html)
Quote from: me on August 04, 2016, 10:53:50 PM
There is a good side to Donald Trump. He does this for others too but you have to really dig to find it, I just happened to know about this and it was buried deeply in the searches. Some stories I had read a couple of months ago about this were no where to be found now. The second link was on a page that did have the entire story with pictures but this is what's there now.
http://www.indianaforefront.com/the-other-side-of-donald-trump/
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4ntim9/til_that_donald_trump_stood_by_the_side_of_ryan/
He's a douche. :rolleyes:
Anyone think Trump just did this "running for president" thing just to feed his already overinflated ego, and never really wanted, nor expected, to be where he is today?
If that's the case, are all his antics a manifestation of an, "Oh shit!" moment, if you will?
Does he really want to be president?
I've seen some of this floated around in blogs, etc., and I'd like to hear what some of you think.
I'm not entirely sure he isn't doing it to insure Hillary gets elected.
That certainly wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility.
No, I think he completely thought he would be elected. I think that is mindset that he can get do anything he wants.
Did he seriously suggest today that Hillary should be assassinated?
He just keeps misfiring. :rolleyes:
Here's the exact quote:
"Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know," Trump said.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 09, 2016, 05:18:55 PM
Did he seriously suggest today that Hillary should be assassinated?
Quote from: Locutus on August 09, 2016, 06:29:38 PM
Here's the exact quote:
"Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know," Trump said.
In my opinion, yes, although it loses something in the written word. I've listened to him say that over and over today, and the tone of his voice (to me) insinuated .... :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Locutus on August 09, 2016, 06:29:38 PM
Here's the exact quote:
"Hillary wants to abolish -- essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don't know," Trump said.
Check this out at the 3:05 mark and see it uncut, he did not threaten her. Yes, it was a stupid thing to say and gave the libs something to make a mountain out of a mole hill with again but he did not threaten her.
https://www.youtube.com/v/JE3TYNAR7w0
Quote from: libby on August 09, 2016, 11:00:58 PM
In my opinion, yes, although it loses something in the written word. I've listened to him say that over and over today, and the tone of his voice (to me) insinuated .... :icon_twisted:
Gee, could he have meant fight her in court or vote for him????? Wow, talk about twisting a statement.
Quote from: me on August 09, 2016, 11:11:58 PM
Check this out at the 3:05 mark and see it uncut, he did not threaten her. Yes, it was a stupid thing to say and gave the libs something to make a mountain out of a mole hill with again but he did not threaten her.
https://www.youtube.com/v/JE3TYNAR7w0
I'll tell you something "ME", :me: the next time you go up to the Eagles' go around and say something more or less what the Donald said to all of people there. :haha: :rotfl: Even tho I don't think your as stupid as you let on. :sneaky: It would sure be fun to read about you in the Anderson Hearld, "Red Headed woman :gorgeous: from the Eagles question about killing Hillary. She was taken to the Anderson Police department and questioned for several hours. She was released to two of her handlers :ouch: because of an advance case of stupitidy and brain damage from drinking to much Trump brand koolaid." :koolaid:. :biggrin:
The second amendment gives us the right to bear arms not to kill what he said was not a threat in any way shape or form. You keep getting distracted by crap like this and miss the things she say's and does as well as not noticing the people in her crowd behind her. Stick to the important stuff and quit getting distracted. :rolleyes:
There's that senility showing itself again!
What he said and what he meant are abundantly clear to any thinking person despite your feeble-minded attempts to spin it otherwise.
Even the Secret Service interpreted Trump's words to mean what we have said. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/trump-second-amendment/index.html)
Sort of ironic that the people who say they like Trump because he says what he means are now saying that he didn't mean what he said. :wink:
Yep! Very succinct and spot on assessment of the current situation. ;D
How they can interpret what he said as a direct threat I have no clue If Hill had said that same thing nothing would have been thought about it. All this crap is being stirred up so people will start doing just what you are and they will get detracted from the real issues.
You haven't a clue what the real issues are. :roll eyes:
Quote from: me on August 10, 2016, 04:46:38 PM
How they can interpret what he said as a direct threat
It is not a direct threat; he is not man enough for that. What it is is an incitement to violence against a candidate for the presidency that plenty of his bat shit crazy followers are likely to try to follow up on. What he is doing is no different from ISIS encouraging their followers to carry out attacks wherever they are. Exactly the same thing.
Quote from: Locutus on August 10, 2016, 04:54:24 PM
You haven't a clue what the real issues are. :roll eyes:
How is it that we find ourselves arguing with someone who doesn't know the difference between detracted and distracted? :rolleyes:
You all and your code words and crap amaze me. Someone can say something perfectly innocent and the media says it's a code word for something and ya'll believe it or twist something like this into a threat. Wow, what imaginations.
Dan Rather weighs in on Trump's statement. (https://www.facebook.com/theDanRather/posts/10157249295185716)
Quote from: Exterminator on August 11, 2016, 06:53:31 AM
Dan Rather weighs in on Trump's statement. (https://www.facebook.com/theDanRather/posts/10157249295185716)
He's very left leaning and that's his opinion period.
Quote from: me on August 11, 2016, 11:37:25 AM
He's very left leaning and that's his opinion period.
You and Henry are about as bright as a rock. :jail: :jail: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :me:
This is funny, yet sad. It's hard to believe people can be this stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/v/6MubunsD-7g
I'm hoping this is satire, but I haven't found anything to the contrary.
These are two summations on Trump's "foreign policy" speech yesterday. One is from a left-leaning source, the other is from a right-leaning source. Can you tell a difference? I sure can't.
"Donald Trump again blamed President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for the rise of ISIS. He questioned his opponent's "physical stamina" to eradicate the terrorist group. And he again interspersed what his campaign hyped as a major foreign policy speech—his third to date—with falsehoods and half-truths, promising an end to nation building abroad by obscuring his past positions on the subject."
__________
"What would Donald Trump do to fix the Middle East? Listening to his prescriptions, it's not an easy question to answer...The national security framework he described was so contradictory and filled with so many obvious falsehoods that it's virtually impossible to tell what he would do as president."
;D
Quote from: Locutus on August 16, 2016, 08:47:56 PM
These are two summations on Trump's "foreign policy" speech yesterday. One is from a left-leaning source, the other is from a right-leaning source. Can you tell a difference? I sure can't.
"Donald Trump again blamed President Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for the rise of ISIS. He questioned his opponent's "physical stamina" to eradicate the terrorist group. And he again interspersed what his campaign hyped as a major foreign policy speech—his third to date—with falsehoods and half-truths, promising an end to nation building abroad by obscuring his past positions on the subject."
__________
"What would Donald Trump do to fix the Middle East? Listening to his prescriptions, it's not an easy question to answer...The national security framework he described was so contradictory and filled with so many obvious falsehoods that it's virtually impossible to tell what he would do as president."
;D
Wow. Pretty bad when your own right-leaning people even realize he's lying.
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 16, 2016, 08:55:17 PM
Wow. Pretty bad when your own right-leaning people even realize he's lying.
Yep! I keep telling ole' Hank, and a lot of my other Trump supporting friends, that they better get ready to start saying "President Clinton" for at least the next 4 years. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 16, 2016, 08:58:22 PM
Yep! I keep telling ole' Hank, and a lot of my other Trump supporting friends, that they better get ready to start saying "President Clinton" for at least the next 4 years. :yes:
If by some strange shift in the universe ol' Rump ends up in the circular sin bin, I predict a quick implosion of the GOP and their tea bagging buddies. . . (To be followed by this nation if we aren't careful).
Quote from: Locutus on August 16, 2016, 08:58:22 PM
Yep! I keep telling ole' Hank, and a lot of my other Trump supporting friends, that they better get ready to start saying "President Clinton" for at least the next 4 years. :yes:
I don't even bother telling my Trump loving friends that. They are so far in denial at who Trump really it's not worth it. I could quote any of his lies and they would still defend him.
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 16, 2016, 09:03:18 PM
I don't even bother telling my Trump loving friends that. They are so far in denial at who Trump really it's not worth it. I could quote any of his lies and they would still defend him.
They've all become addicted to emotional turmoil. I followed a guy on the way home that had a Rump bumper sticker on his rear window. I'll probably have TMJ syndrome symptoms tonight over it. . . :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on August 16, 2016, 08:58:22 PM
Yep! I keep telling ole' Hank, and a lot of my other Trump supporting friends, that they better get ready to start saying "President Clinton" for at least the next 4 years. :yes:
Probably 8, the GOP is dead and the Trump supporters have no one but themselves to blame for it.
I just love it, love it. I like what one of the Republicans said who hates Trump said. "Donald Trump is Putin Bitch." :haha: :haha: I just love it. :haha: :haha: :trustme: All of the cows have come home and the chickens have come home to roost for the god damn Republicans. :zoners: :thumbsup:
This guy is clearly delusional. It's like the Trump campaign, and those associated with it, are living in some sort of alternate reality. :confused:
https://www.youtube.com/v/Nps8o-godjE
Quote from: Locutus on August 18, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
This guy is clearly delusional. It's like the Trump campaign, and those associated with it, are living in some sort of alternate reality. :confused:
LMAO! That's awesome..."which polls?" "Uh, all of them?"
You also have to love the delicious irony of watching someone who is Jewish defend bringing the chief executive of a so-called "news" website with anti-Semitic views into the campaign in such a prominent role. You can't make this shit up... :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on August 18, 2016, 01:13:13 PM
LMAO! That's awesome..."which polls?" "Uh, all of them?"
She even had to say it twice. ;D
I like the way she said it as though even she didn't believe it. Pure BS trying to discourage people from voting for Trump and people are catching on to what's going on.
Quote from: me on August 18, 2016, 03:54:37 PM
I like the way she said it as though even she didn't believe it. Pure BS trying to discourage people from voting for Trump and people are catching on to what's going on.
;D
The only one encouraging people not to vote for Trump is Trump himself. :yes:
Quote from: me on August 18, 2016, 03:54:37 PM
I like the way she said it as though even she didn't believe it. Pure BS trying to discourage people from voting for Trump and people are catching on to what's going on.
Are you fucking kidding me? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 18, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
This guy is clearly delusional. It's like the Trump campaign, and those associated with it, are living in some sort of alternate reality. :confused:
And the day after he adamantly claimed this was not a shakeup of the campaign, Manafort "resigns".
;D
I thought the same thing.
His cabinet would need a revolving door on it and folding chairs with no desks! What a blowhard! He's treating his campaign like it was the reality series he was in. And using the same line prolifically; "You're fired"! 🙄
Part of me thinks he really doesn't want the presidency at this point.
Quote from: Locutus on August 19, 2016, 12:39:33 PM
Part of me thinks he really doesn't want the presidency at this point.
Or that he's setting himself up for his next venture when he loses.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 19, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
Or that he's setting himself up for his next venture when he loses.
You got that right, one talking head said that he thinking about starting a Trump News Network. Him and Roger Ales. :eek: :eek: :spooked: :spooked:
Trump and Ales for kick ass news :kick: for Republicans. :zoners:
Drumpf is as corrupt as they come - like the vast majority of capitalists.
He's set it up so he is actually making money for himself from his presidential campaign:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/donald-trump-business-spending-fec/
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump has directed nearly one-fifth of his campaign cash to companies that are part of his vast business empire, new federal records show.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/donald-trump-self-funding-payments.html?_r=0
Donald J. Trump regularly boasts that he is self-funding his presidential bid, but new campaign finance filings show that he is also shifting plenty of money back to himself in the process.
According to documents submitted to the Federal Election Commission, Mr. Trump, whose campaign has just $1.3 million cash on hand, paid at least $1.1 million to his businesses and family members in May for expenses associated with events and travel costs. The total represents nearly a fifth of the $6 million that his campaign spent in the month.
The spending raised eyebrows among campaign finance experts and some of Mr. Trump's critics who have questioned whether the presumptive Republican nominee, who points to his business acumen as a case for his candidacy, is trying to do what he has suggested he would in 2000 when he mulled making an independent run: "It's very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it."
"He could end up turning a profit if he repaid himself for the campaign loans," said Paul S. Ryan, a campaign finance expert with the Campaign Legal Center. "He could get all his money back plus the profit margin for what his campaign has paid himself for goods and services."
While most candidates list an array of vendors providing goods and services on their filings, Mr. Trump's is packed with payments to his various clubs and buildings, his fleet of planes and his family. The self-proclaimed billionaire is required by law to account for his spending this way to prevent his companies from making illegal corporate donations to his campaign. In 2015, about $2.7 million was paid to at least seven companies Mr. Trump owns or to people who work for his real estate and branding empire, repaying them for services provided to his campaign.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/01/donald-trump-is-paying-himself-to-run-for-president.html
Between June 16, when he announced his candidacy from the lobby of Trump Tower, through the end of 2015, the Trump campaign spent $2.2 million patronizing Trump businesses.
http://fortune.com/2016/08/24/donald-trump-campaign/
5 Ways Donald Trump Is Making Money Off His Own Campaign
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-campaign-a-cover-for-moneymaking-scheme-710188099545
Trump campaign a cover for moneymaking scheme
Rachel Maddow makes the case that Donald Trump's presidential campaign is essentially a moneymaking racket and a giant book tour, which explains why he is not assembling a real campaign staff or raising real campaign money...
Can you say 'crook'!
Racist????? Not so much it would seem.
https://www.youtube.com/v/7U6Pp5iflTs
:me: I don't really care what you think any more. You are just bat :bat: shit crazy and nothing can change your mind. A kick of truth in your ass :kick: wouldn't change your mind. Really I don't give a damn what you think, so just ---> :kissit: <--- my ass. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Y on August 31, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
Drumpf is as corrupt as they come - like the vast majority of capitalists.
He's set it up so he is actually making money for himself from his presidential campaign:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/donald-trump-business-spending-fec/
Washington (CNN)Donald Trump has directed nearly one-fifth of his campaign cash to companies that are part of his vast business empire, new federal records show.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/donald-trump-self-funding-payments.html?_r=0
Donald J. Trump regularly boasts that he is self-funding his presidential bid, but new campaign finance filings show that he is also shifting plenty of money back to himself in the process.
According to documents submitted to the Federal Election Commission, Mr. Trump, whose campaign has just $1.3 million cash on hand, paid at least $1.1 million to his businesses and family members in May for expenses associated with events and travel costs. The total represents nearly a fifth of the $6 million that his campaign spent in the month.
The spending raised eyebrows among campaign finance experts and some of Mr. Trump’s critics who have questioned whether the presumptive Republican nominee, who points to his business acumen as a case for his candidacy, is trying to do what he has suggested he would in 2000 when he mulled making an independent run: “It’s very possible that I could be the first presidential candidate to run and make money on it.”
“He could end up turning a profit if he repaid himself for the campaign loans,” said Paul S. Ryan, a campaign finance expert with the Campaign Legal Center. “He could get all his money back plus the profit margin for what his campaign has paid himself for goods and services.”
While most candidates list an array of vendors providing goods and services on their filings, Mr. Trump’s is packed with payments to his various clubs and buildings, his fleet of planes and his family. The self-proclaimed billionaire is required by law to account for his spending this way to prevent his companies from making illegal corporate donations to his campaign. In 2015, about $2.7 million was paid to at least seven companies Mr. Trump owns or to people who work for his real estate and branding empire, repaying them for services provided to his campaign.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/01/donald-trump-is-paying-himself-to-run-for-president.html
Between June 16, when he announced his candidacy from the lobby of Trump Tower, through the end of 2015, the Trump campaign spent $2.2 million patronizing Trump businesses.
http://fortune.com/2016/08/24/donald-trump-campaign/
5 Ways Donald Trump Is Making Money Off His Own Campaign
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/trump-campaign-a-cover-for-moneymaking-scheme-710188099545
Trump campaign a cover for moneymaking scheme
Rachel Maddow makes the case that Donald Trump's presidential campaign is essentially a moneymaking racket and a giant book tour, which explains why he is not assembling a real campaign staff or raising real campaign money...
Can you say 'crook'!
Yes. The scary thing is that people who support him either don't have a clue or don't care that he is a crook. I just hope they don't vote.
Quote from: libby on September 05, 2016, 10:41:30 PM
Yes. The scary thing is that people who support him either don't have a clue or don't care that he is a crook. I just hope they don't vote.
Also, they are caught up in his "make America great again" bullshit. A bunch of fear mongers who can't think for themselves and look up what he is talking about. I have friends that are voting for him and even when I point out the lies that Trump has said, they make up excuses and still idolize the man. It's damn scary.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 05, 2016, 10:53:57 PM
Also, they are caught up in his "make America great again" bullshit. A bunch of fear mongers who can't think for themselves and look up what he is talking about. I have friends that are voting for him and even when I point out the lies that Trump has said, they make up excuses and still idolize the man. It's damn scary.
Like ya'll don't do the same thing, or worse, for Hillary.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 05, 2016, 10:53:57 PM
Also, they are caught up in his "make America great again" bullshit. A bunch of fear mongers who can't think for themselves and look up what he is talking about. I have friends that are voting for him and even when I point out the lies that Trump has said, they make up excuses and still idolize the man. It's damn scary.
Pot calling kettle black....
Quote from: libby on September 05, 2016, 10:41:30 PM
I just hope they don't vote.
They shouldn't even be allowed to.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 06, 2016, 07:19:17 AM
Pot calling kettle black....
Henry, you've smelled (Snarf) too many girl bicycle seats if you think Trump would be a good president. :mama:
New Trump sandwich, white bread, a lot of baloney, Russian salad dressing and with one small pickle. :haha: :haha:
This should give any thinking person nightmares!
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14344712_1311670945547276_6750418505530679193_n.jpg?oh=ae29757fb65248926dceca799ccaceeb&oe=583CF0FF)
Yeah, I saw that going around on Facebook and many of my friends think that's an awesome leadership team. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 14, 2016, 01:27:54 PM
This should give any thinking person nightmares!
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14344712_1311670945547276_6750418505530679193_n.jpg?oh=ae29757fb65248926dceca799ccaceeb&oe=583CF0FF)
The main road through the community I live in is being repaved, it is miserably hot, I had trouble getting through to the Zone, and when I did, this? :icon_evil: And what's that about Trump being on the Dr. Oz TV show?
Quote from: libby on September 14, 2016, 03:09:35 PM
The main road through the community I live in is being repaved, it is miserably hot, I had trouble getting through to the Zone, and when I did, this? :icon_evil: And what's that about Trump being on the Dr. Oz TV show?
Hadn't heard that about Trump being on Dr. Oz. I am not surprised but I don't watch many of those shows but according to the news he is going to release his physical findings on that show.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 14, 2016, 01:27:54 PM
This should give any thinking person nightmares!
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14344712_1311670945547276_6750418505530679193_n.jpg?oh=ae29757fb65248926dceca799ccaceeb&oe=583CF0FF)
Look pretty DAMN good to me!!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 14, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
Look pretty DAMN good to me!!!!
Case in point. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on September 14, 2016, 02:04:38 PM
Yeah, I saw that going around on Facebook and many of my friends think that's an awesome leadership team. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 14, 2016, 01:27:54 PM
. . .
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14344712_1311670945547276_6750418505530679193_n.jpg?oh=ae29757fb65248926dceca799ccaceeb&oe=583CF0FF)
Ladies and Gentlemen: Presenting the Anti-Christ and his unholy Henchmen!
:rotfl:
:rotfl:
I think it looks pretty good!!!! :yes: You might want to get used to it. ;)
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/14358977_10209537936421279_2945346080831511921_n_zpsnza1cbbl.jpg) (http://s475.photobucket.com/user/hlovett_2008/media/14358977_10209537936421279_2945346080831511921_n_zpsnza1cbbl.jpg.html)
The above is an original piece of work by a life-long friend of mine; Charley Krebs. You've seen some of his work here before, but unless you read the papers or Chicago Jazz Magazine, this is likely the only place you've seen his work.
The man has been a cartoonist since childhood and has drawn many a political cartoon in his lifetime. Now semi-retired, his work adorns some of the walls in my home, and every single one of my High School Annuals.
As you can see, our political views are fairly similar. While he has all but foregone drawing political cartoons these days, a few of us goaded him into doing just one more. I am fairly fond of this one. :smile:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 20, 2016, 07:58:43 PM
As you can see, our political views are fairly similar. While he has all but foregone drawing political cartoons these days, a few of us goaded him into doing just one more. I am fairly fond of this one. :smile:
He did a good job. :biggrin:
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 20, 2016, 09:27:26 PM
He did a good job. :biggrin:
Thank you and I agree. I will pass your commentary along too. :smile:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 19, 2016, 10:19:59 AM
I think it looks pretty good!!!! :yes: You might want to get used to it. ;)
I didn't think they could get that many douches in one bag. :haha:
;D
Henry, 'me' and some of their friends were on TV! (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/e9z0ej/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jordan-klepper-fingers-the-pulse---conspiracy-theories-thrive-at-a-donald-trump-rally?xrs=synd_facebook_092016_tds_81) :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2016, 08:39:05 AM
Henry, 'me' and some of their friends were on TV! (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/e9z0ej/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jordan-klepper-fingers-the-pulse---conspiracy-theories-thrive-at-a-donald-trump-rally?xrs=synd_facebook_092016_tds_81) :biggrin:
Now if Henry or I were to put something like this on with Hillary supporters what would you say? I can come up with some ya know and it ain't pretty.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2016, 12:41:41 PM
Now if Henry or I were to put something like this on with Hillary supporters what would you say? I can come up with some ya know and it ain't pretty.
Of course you can; there are stupid people in both camps. The difference is that
everyone in Trump's camp is stupid. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2016, 08:39:05 AM
Henry, 'me' and some of their friends were on TV! (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/e9z0ej/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jordan-klepper-fingers-the-pulse---conspiracy-theories-thrive-at-a-donald-trump-rally?xrs=synd_facebook_092016_tds_81) :biggrin:
Wow. It amused me in a perturbed way the guy who was shown identical pictures of Hillary and claimed one was her stand-in. The two people at the end when they were asked what proof did they have responded they don't have any. Well, of course, you can't have proof of something that isn't real! I personally know people who would say the same thing and that they saw it on FB, so it must be true. Remember, these people will be voting in November. That should scare us all. Fact check, people, fact check. Whether it's Clinton, Trump, or whomever.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2016, 08:39:05 AM
Henry, 'me' and some of their friends were on TV! (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/e9z0ej/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jordan-klepper-fingers-the-pulse---conspiracy-theories-thrive-at-a-donald-trump-rally?xrs=synd_facebook_092016_tds_81) :biggrin:
These people prove there is no god. :ghost: Because if there was a god, he wouldn't have created so many stupid and idiot people. :rotfl:
Quote from: The Troll on September 22, 2016, 08:31:19 PM
These people prove there is no god. :ghost: Because if there was a god, he wouldn't have created so many stupid and idiot people. :rotfl:
Awww, but then you wouldn't be here.
This is a powerful new ad released by the Hillary Clinton campaign. It makes me wonder how any women in their right mind could vote for this pig.
https://www.youtube.com/v/vHGPbl-werw
Quote from: Locutus on September 23, 2016, 02:40:39 PM
It makes me wonder how any women in their right mind could vote for this pig.
The women who will vote for Trump have no self-respect and have let men treat them like trash their entire lives. They're used to it.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 23, 2016, 03:33:45 PM
The women who will vote for Trump have no self-respect and have let men treat them like trash their entire lives. They're used to it.
The demographics of Trump's support base are just astounding.
Well, I guess calling people deplorable is ok though. Damn, talk about hypocritical. I believe he was speaking about Rosie O and he spoke the truth. She is disgusting.
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 04:03:03 PM
Well, I guess calling people deplorable is ok though. Damn, talk about hypocritical. I believe he was speaking about Rosie O and he spoke the truth. She is disgusting.
If you're talking about the garden-variety bigots that make up a large part of his constituency, they are deplorable.
Quote from: Locutus on September 23, 2016, 04:06:44 PM
If you're talking about the garden-variety bigots that make up a large part of his constituency, they are deplorable.
And Rosie O is a fat disgusting pig.
Quote from: Locutus on September 23, 2016, 04:06:44 PM
If you're talking about the garden-variety bigots that make up a large part of his constituency, they are deplorable.
Absolutely!
Quote from: me on September 23, 2016, 05:06:06 PM
And Rosie O is a fat disgusting pig.
For all we know, so are you.
Quote from: Locutus on September 23, 2016, 02:40:39 PM
This is a powerful new ad released by the Hillary Clinton campaign. It makes me wonder how any women in their right mind could vote for this pig.
https://www.youtube.com/v/vHGPbl-werw
Well, I think I'm in my right mind, and I can tell you exactly how I feel about Donald Trump: I hope he loses to Hillary, lives to be 110, in his right mind (memory intact), and, beginning right now and for the rest of his life, is impotent and fat and bald.
Quote from: libby on September 23, 2016, 11:14:50 PM
Well, I think I'm in my right mind, and I can tell you exactly how I feel about Donald Trump: I hope he loses to Hillary, lives to be 110, in his right mind (memory intact), and, beginning right now and for the rest of his life, is impotent and fat and bald.
And BROKE! :yes: :smile:
Quote from: libby on September 23, 2016, 11:14:50 PM
Well, I think I'm in my right mind, and I can tell you exactly how I feel about Donald Trump: I hope he loses to Hillary, lives to be 110, in his right mind (memory intact), and, beginning right now and for the rest of his life, is impotent and fat and bald.
Quote from: The Troll on September 24, 2016, 02:14:03 PM
And BROKE! :yes: :smile:
Why don't you two tell us how you really feel? :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 24, 2016, 03:30:30 PM
Why don't you two tell us how you really feel? :biggrin:
:rotfl: :thumbsup: :tiphat:
I found a bigger liar than Trump. :yes: It's the police chief of Charlotte WV.. :cowboy: He said he was going to release the tape of the shooting. WOOOOOOO! Wait, wait, nooooo, he is not going to release all of them. :doh: He is going to release only the ones that will back up his story for now. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
Another thing, it has been known for years that cops :cowboy: carried a hidden back up gun. :yes: :police: To protect himself if he lost his own gun. Or to throw down this untraceable gun if he shot someone and be able to say the victim pointed it at him and he had to protect himself. :yes: :yes: :mad: :rant: These killer cops knows all of the tricks. :rant: :rant: :rant: I would really like to know how many innocent people have been shot and beat to death by these killer cops. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on September 24, 2016, 03:30:30 PM
Why don't you two tell us how you really feel? :biggrin:
Frankly, I am a bit scared. A few days ago I got a call from our local Democratic congressman asking if I plan to vote and if I would like something to put up in my yard, and I said yes. Well, today, it showed up in my front yard -- a big banner promoting him (Gerry Connolly), Hillary Clinton, and the VP nominee Tim Kaine. I looked to see if any of my neighbors had the same banner, and there was was not one that I could see on our cul-de-sac of probably 50 townhouses, and the same when I drove out to the main road!
Quote from: libby on September 24, 2016, 05:46:56 PM
Frankly, I am a bit scared. A few days ago I got a call from our local Democratic congressman asking if I plan to vote and if I would like something to put up in my yard, and I said yes. Well, today, it showed up in my front yard -- a big banner promoting him (Gerry Connolly), Hillary Clinton, and the VP nominee Tim Kaine. I looked to see if any of my neighbors had the same banner, and there was was not one that I could see on our cul-de-sac of probably 50 townhouses, and the same when I drove out to the main road!
Virginia is an important state this cycle. Nobody should stay home. The election has certainly tightened lately. Let's just hope Trump hangs himself in the debates.
Quote from: The Troll on September 24, 2016, 05:41:50 PM
I found a bigger liar than Trump. :yes: It's the police chief of Charlotte WV.. N.C. :cowboy: He said he was going to release the tape of the shooting. WOOOOOOO! Wait, wait, nooooo, he is not going to release all of them. :doh: He is going to release only the ones that will back up his story for now. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
Another thing, it has been known for years that cops :cowboy: carried a hidden back up gun. :yes: :police: To protect himself if he lost his own gun. Or to throw down this untraceable gun if he shot someone and be able to say the victim pointed it at him and he had to protect himself. :yes: :yes: :mad: :rant: These killer cops knows all of the tricks. :rant: :rant: :rant: I would really like to know how many innocent people have been shot and beat to death by these killer cops. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Troll, one typo: It's Charlotte, N.C., not W.Va.
If Trump does what he did in the debates that got him to be the Republican candidate. :haha: Hillary will make him look like a full blown, stupid dumbass that he is. :haha: Bring on the debates. :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :zoners:
Quote from: The Troll on September 24, 2016, 05:59:19 PM
If Trump does what he did in the debates that got him to be the Republican candidate. :haha: Hillary will make him look like a full blown, stupid dumbass that he is. :haha: Bring on the debates. :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :zoners:
:yes:
Quote from: The Troll on September 24, 2016, 05:59:19 PM
If Trump does what he did in the debates that got him to be the Republican candidate. :haha: Hillary will make him look like a full blown, stupid dumbass that he is. :haha: Bring on the debates. :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :zoners:
Monday night!
As for Donald Trump, my wife and I are considering cashing in half to two third of our stock if he is elected. :yes: :yes: :yes: We feel the stock market will crash in a real big way. :yes: The stock market has always dropped when a Republican is elected. With Donald Trump, what George W. Bush did to this country will just be a speed bump, with Trump, he will cause a big depression. :mad: :rant: Worse than Herbert Hoovers depression. :rant: :rant: :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on September 24, 2016, 05:41:50 PM
Another thing, it has been known for years that cops carried a hidden back up gun. To protect himself if he lost his own gun. Or to throw down this untraceable gun if he shot someone and be able to say the victim pointed it at him and he had to protect himself. These killer cops knows all of the tricks.
There's no end to how far the police will go just to be able to shoot someone and get away with it. In this case, they started in the 90's falsely arresting him for aggravated assault and carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. Then, in 2002, the framed him for shooting someone and for firing a handgun at police officers and sent him to prison for several years! The amount of collusion between all of these various law enforcement agencies in different states across two decades just so that they could eventually kill him with impunity is mind blowing and should be investigated! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 26, 2016, 07:46:01 AM
There's no end to how far the police will go just to be able to shoot someone and get away with it. In this case, they started in the 90's falsely arresting him for aggravated assault and carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. Then, in 2002, the framed him for shooting someone and for firing a handgun at police officers and sent him to prison for several years! The amount of collusion between all of these various law enforcement agencies in different states across two decades just so that they could eventually kill him with impunity is mind blowing and should be investigated! :rolleyes:
Just because you pal around with cops :police:, being their buddy and teaching your dog how to catch and chew on the people they :police: are after. You don't have to protect them :police: in every case. You surly have to admit that some of the black and white killing by the cops :police: are wrong. I'm I right? :doh:
Quote from: The Troll on September 26, 2016, 02:19:16 PM
Just because you pal around with cops :police:, being their buddy and teaching your dog how to catch and chew on the people they :police: are after. You don't have to protect them :police: in every case.
Had you been paying attention, you would know that I don't defend them in every case. I evaluate each case on its own merits based on my experience and training in law enforcement and the use of deadly force.
QuoteYou surly have to admit that some of the black and white killing by the cops :police: are wrong. I'm I right? :doh:
Absolutely! While I may not have mentioned it here previously, I have said it in other venues many, many times...I believe that far too many of these shootings are the result of fear on the part of the officer involved. Philando Castile is a perfect example of a situation in which someone died for no other reason than the officer involved was a coward. Believe me when I say that there are far too many people out there wearing uniforms, badges and guns who do not have the proper temperament to be in law enforcement which is precisely why I chose not to pursue it after I got out of the military.
Having said that, this guy was a known violent felon with a history of shooting at police and the forensic evidence supports the gun recovered as having been his.
P.S. I am actually one of the people who teaches police K9's to catch and bite people (and to find drugs, money, etc.). Very few police K9 handlers are trainers...most of that is done by civilians.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 26, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
Had you been paying attention, you would know that I don't defend them in every case. I evaluate each case on its own merits based on my experience and training in law enforcement and the use of deadly force.
Absolutely! While I may not have mentioned it here previously, I have said it in other venues many, many times...I believe that far too many of these shootings are the result of fear on the part of the officer involved. Philando Castile is a perfect example of a situation in which someone died for no other reason than the officer involved was a coward. Believe me when I say that there are far too many people out there wearing uniforms, badges and guns who do not have the proper temperament to be in law enforcement which is precisely why I chose not to pursue it after I got out of the military.
Having said that, this guy was a known violent felon with a history of shooting at police and the forensic evidence supports the gun recovered as having been his.
P.S. I am actually one of the people who teaches police K9's to catch and bite people (and to find drugs, money, etc.). Very few police K9 handlers are trainers...most of that is done by civilians.
Cool on the training, Exterminator.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 26, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
Absolutely! While I may not have mentioned it here previously, I have said it in other venues many, many times...I believe that far too many of these shootings are the result of fear on the part of the officer involved. Philando Castile is a perfect example of a situation in which someone died for no other reason than the officer involved was a coward. Believe me when I say that there are far too many people out there wearing uniforms, badges and guns who do not have the proper temperament to be in law enforcement which is precisely why I chose not to pursue it after I got out of the military.
Those are some true words right there. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 26, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
Absolutely! While I may not have mentioned it here previously, I have said it in other venues many, many times...I believe that far too many of these shootings are the result of fear on the part of the officer involved. Philando Castile is a perfect example of a situation in which someone died for no other reason than the officer involved was a coward. Believe me when I say that there are far too many people out there wearing uniforms, badges and guns who do not have the proper temperament to be in law enforcement which is precisely why I chose not to pursue it after I got out of the military.
Having said that, this guy was a known violent felon with a history of shooting at police and the forensic evidence supports the gun recovered as having been his.
P.S. I am actually one of the people who teaches police K9's to catch and bite people (and to find drugs, money, etc.). Very few police K9 handlers are trainers...most of that is done by civilians.
Agree, Ex. Cool job you have! How difficult is training to do?
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 26, 2016, 10:59:53 PM
Agree, Ex. Cool job you have! How difficult is training to do?
Dog training is not my primary job...more of a hobby/passion that I sometimes get paid for. It isn't terribly difficult; you just have to be consistent and be willing to spend some time every day working with your dog(s). I also keep open one day every weekend to train with my group.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 27, 2016, 08:12:02 AM
Dog training is not my primary job...more of a hobby/passion that I sometimes get paid for. It isn't terribly difficult; you just have to be consistent and be willing to spend some time every day working with your dog(s). I also keep open one day every weekend to train with my group.
Very cool. I would venture a guess that you also have to love dogs. Is there one breed of a dog you like better than others in K-9 training. I know most departments around here use Belgian Malnois or other Shepherds. I think one officer has a Tuverian (sp.) Shepherd.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 27, 2016, 08:42:46 AM
Very cool. I would venture a guess that you also have to love dogs. Is there one breed of a dog you like better than others in K-9 training. I know most departments around here use Belgian Malnois or other Shepherds. I think one officer has a Tuverian (sp.) Shepherd.
I'm a German Shepherd guy...have been for decades. I think a lot of departments use Mals and Dutchies because they are marginally cheaper. I like them for their drive but they tend to often be a bit scatter-brained in my experience. I often tease our group members who have those dogs telling them that my dog left several Malinois puppies in my yard this morning when I had him out for his walk. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 27, 2016, 08:55:51 AM
I'm a German Shepherd guy...have been for decades. I think a lot of departments use Mals and Dutchies because they are marginally cheaper. I like them for their drive but they tend to often be a bit scatter-brained in my experience. I often tease our group members who have those dogs telling them that my dog left several Malinois puppies in my yard this morning when I had him out for his walk. :biggrin:
Cool, I like German Shepherds also. We had one growing up when I was a kid. Best watchdog ever until some asshole tormented it and it turned on him. My parents had warned the jerk about revving his motorcycle and teasing the dog but jerk continued. One day, the dog was out and heard the guy coming on his motorcycle and he took him out. Guy ran over the dog killing him. We did get one of his pups. A Collie-German Shepherd mix. Another great dog.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 27, 2016, 08:12:02 AM
Dog training is not my primary job...more of a hobby/passion that I sometimes get paid for. It isn't terribly difficult; you just have to be consistent and be willing to spend some time every day working with your dog(s). I also keep open one day every weekend to train with my group.
Getting paid for you hobby/passion is icing on the cake. That's a pretty neat hobby to have. When I was raising my daughter and homeschooling her, I thought about training a service dog. It never got much farther than that, though! I think it's a big commitment and I knew I wouldn't be able to do it as we were involved in a co-op (I was co-director and a teacher).
I'm just going to leave this right here. (http://www.salon.com/2016/09/30/idiocracy-now-donald-trump-and-the-dunning-kruger-effect-when-stupid-people-dont-know-they-are-stupid/)
Quote from: Exterminator on October 01, 2016, 01:05:28 PM
I'm just going to leave this right here. (http://www.salon.com/2016/09/30/idiocracy-now-donald-trump-and-the-dunning-kruger-effect-when-stupid-people-dont-know-they-are-stupid/)
That's an awesome read. It applies to so many other aspects of life, politics, etc., other than just being descriptive of Trump supporters.
I was always told do what you love in life as a job and you will always be happy. That applies to cooking, digging a ditch or whatever one chooses in life.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 01, 2016, 01:05:28 PM
I'm just going to leave this right here. (http://www.salon.com/2016/09/30/idiocracy-now-donald-trump-and-the-dunning-kruger-effect-when-stupid-people-dont-know-they-are-stupid/)
Here's another article on how stupid they are. Half of them think the election is going to be rigged. :rolleyes:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-norc-poll-half-trump-backers-dont-trust-060118894--election.html
Quote from: Locutus on October 01, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Here's another article on how stupid they are. Half of them think the election is going to be rigged. :rolleyes:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-norc-poll-half-trump-backers-dont-trust-060118894--election.html
That shit is showing up on my FB newsfeed already. Posted, of course, by Trump supporters.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 01, 2016, 03:47:34 PM
I was always told do what you love in life as a job and you will always be happy. That applies to cooking, digging a ditch or whatever one chooses in life.
Mrs. Sweet, I have dug ditches and I have meet and talked to many men to dug ditches. :yes: The ones who dug them by hand never liked the job. :yes: The only ones that did had a great big back hoe. :wink: :biggrin: :dig:
Quote from: The Troll on October 02, 2016, 02:52:25 PM
Mrs. Sweet, I have dug ditches and I have meet and talked to many men to dug ditches. :yes: The ones who dug them by hand never liked the job. :yes: The only ones that did had a great big back hoe. :wink: :biggrin: :dig:
It is a figure of speech on digging the ditches but mainly do a job that makes you happy, not the one that you regret going to work every day and don't enjoy it.
The New York Times is reporting that Trump businesses showed a $916 million dollar loss in 1995; likely other people's money that he could have used to write off and avoid paying ANY federal taxes for 2 decades!🙄
Quote from: Palehorse on October 02, 2016, 03:45:35 PM
The New York Times is reporting that Trump businesses showed a $916 million dollar loss in 1995; likely other people's money that he could have used to write off and avoid paying ANY federal taxes for 2 decades!🙄
My next door neighbor said that he is having a fit that some of his tax returns have been released. I didn't know whether they had been or not.
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Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 02, 2016, 03:50:53 PM
My next door neighbor said that he is having a fit that some of his tax returns have been released. I didn't know whether they had been or not.
Your neighbor must be a big :hogslop: Republican who thinks the rich must be made richer. :rant: :rant: :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on October 02, 2016, 09:26:56 PM
Your neighbor must be a big :hogslop: Republican who thinks the rich must be made richer. :rant: :rant: :rant:
Nope, she was telling that she bets Trump has a fit over his tax returns being released. She isn't going to vote for him.
Trump supporters are so ate up over him that if it were revealed he had siphoned off 50% of the refunds from every single taxpayer's refunds they'd find a way to validate his doing so wasn't a crime. :rolleyes: :roll eyes:
It is just scandalous how he can do no wrong in their eyes. . .
The jackass likely paid ZERO federal taxes from 1995 through 2013 at least. ZIP. And he will not release his tax returns, which further increases suspicion of this.
Now, even if it is all legally fine, why would he hide it? Because he is a filthy rich and selfish individual who would scrape anyone making less that 2 million a year off the bottom of his shoe like dog shit. It's the way he is and they way he will be if he gets into office.
He will do absolutely nothing to close the loopholes in the tax code that allows such to take place; in fact he will do everything he can to create more of them. :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 02, 2016, 09:49:24 PM
Trump supporters are so ate up over him that if it were revealed he had siphoned off 50% of the refunds from every single taxpayer's refunds they'd find a way to validate his doing so wasn't a crime. :rolleyes: :roll eyes:
It is just scandalous how he can do no wrong in their eyes. . .
The jackass likely paid ZERO federal taxes from 1995 through 2013 at least. ZIP. And he will not release his tax returns, which further increases suspicion of this.
Now, even if it is all legally fine, why would he hide it? Because he is a filthy rich and selfish individual who would scrape anyone making less that 2 million a year off the bottom of his shoe like dog shit. It's the way he is and they way he will be if he gets into office.
He will do absolutely nothing to close the loopholes in the tax code that allows such to take place; in fact he will do everything he can to create more of them. :mad:
And they will all think it is the gospel and okay. Disgusting.
Anyone who can read this article/transcript (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/02/as-news-of-trumps-taxes-broke-he-goes-off-script-at-a-rally-in-pennsylvania/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumprally-0550am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory) and not come away with anything other than bat shit crazy is him/herself just as bat shit crazy.
Part of me still thinks that Trump didn't really expect to be where he is when he started this whole thing. He hasn't ever seemed to me to be taking it very seriously, and that includes from the start of the Republican debates right up until now. Unfortunately, it's too late for him to back out now, and that makes his incompetence especially scary. Even scarier that so many people don't see that and are planning to vote for him.
Quote from: Locutus on October 03, 2016, 10:47:57 AM
Part of me still thinks that Trump didn't really expect to be where he is when he started this whole thing. He hasn't ever seemed to me to be taking it very seriously, and that includes from the start of the Republican debates right up until now. Unfortunately, it's too late for him to back out now, and that makes his incompetence especially scary. Even scarier that so many people don't see that and are planning to vote for him.
I agree. When this started it was a novelty to him, something to pass the time with. He's a narcissist who wants the praise and wants people to follow him. He didn't even prepare for the debate. I think that speaks volumes on what he thinks about this whole thing.
Christian Post op-ed contributor calls out religious Trump supporters for their hypocrisy. (http://www.christianpost.com/news/trumps-offer-to-christians-is-same-offer-devil-made-christ-168993/)
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2016, 12:27:06 PM
Christian Post op-ed contributor calls out religious Trump supporters for their hypocrisy. (http://www.christianpost.com/news/trumps-offer-to-christians-is-same-offer-devil-made-christ-168993/)
:rolleyes:
Over your head, huh?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2016, 12:27:06 PM
Christian Post op-ed contributor calls out religious Trump supporters for their hypocrisy. (http://www.christianpost.com/news/trumps-offer-to-christians-is-same-offer-devil-made-christ-168993/)
That's what I really don't understand with the evangelical Christians I know, how do they support him? According to Christians, you need to ask God for forgiveness, yet Trump says "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't." He thinks taking communion does it. "When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness,". That goes completely against what Christians believe.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2016, 01:05:51 PM
Over your head, huh?
No, stupid just plain stupid and meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
When you invest $$$ and lose, you get to write if off. That is the law. If you lose enough, you can carry the losses forward to offset future profit. That is the law. Now, tell me what is wrong with following the law? Oh, I see. You must support HRC. Law is of no concern. Just pay off the folks you need to, to keep you out of prison. Nice system you have created there.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 07, 2016, 06:08:24 PM
That's what I really don't understand with the evangelical Christians I know, how do they support him? According to Christians, you need to ask God for forgiveness, yet Trump says "I think if I do something wrong, I think, I just try and make it right. I don't bring God into that picture. I don't." He thinks taking communion does it. "When I drink my little wine -- which is about the only wine I drink -- and have my little cracker, I guess that is a form of asking for forgiveness,". That goes completely against what Christians believe.
Trump is against killing unborn babies. That makes him human. As a Christian, I can't condone legislating morals. There are some universal truths in this world. I think we all know what they are. I think you know what they are. Whoever we elect as president has the potential to affect our moral code for decades to come. I think Trump has a much stronger character and moral code (whether Christian or not) than HRC. Ideally, he would not bring his religion into the picture when it comes to making the right decision for this country. As for HRC, I'm not sure she has religion, character, morals or concern for anything or anyone other than furthering her socialist and immoral agenda.
Quote from: bjayers on October 09, 2016, 12:46:38 AM
Trump is against killing unborn babies. . . .
Is he? He has changed his mind on that point several times over the years; and even during this campaign.
Trump is for one thing and one thing only; Profit.
His position on any given topic depends upon which one puts the most profit into his pocket. If he reaches the Oval Office the middle-class in this nation is dead because only the wealthy will matter.
Quote from: Palehorse on October 09, 2016, 01:07:16 AM
Is he? He has changed his mind on that point several times over the years; and even during this campaign.
Trump is for one thing and one thing only; Profit.
His position on any given topic depends upon which one puts the most profit into his pocket. If he reaches the Oval Office the middle-class in this nation is dead because only the wealthy will matter.
And Hillary is different?
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 01:27:20 AM
And Hillary is different?
Different? Two big things, she for giving a woman equal pay for equal work and raising the minimum wage. :biggrin: :yes: But I know you wouldn't want that if you were working and not sitting on your big fat ass, eating something that was fatting and not good for you. Plus drawing Democratic drafted laws like Social Security and Medicare. Am I right Fruit Loops? :wacko: :biggrin:
Quote from: bjayers on October 09, 2016, 12:39:52 AM
Now, tell me what is wrong with following the law?
Typical conservative with no moral compass. :rolleyes:
Quote from: bjayers on October 09, 2016, 12:46:38 AM
Trump is against killing unborn babies. That makes him human. As a Christian, I can't condone legislating morals. There are some universal truths in this world. I think we all know what they are. I think you know what they are. Whoever we elect as president has the potential to affect our moral code for decades to come. I think Trump has a much stronger character and moral code (whether Christian or not) than HRC. Ideally, he would not bring his religion into the picture when it comes to making the right decision for this country. As for HRC, I'm not sure she has religion, character, morals or concern for anything or anyone other than furthering her socialist and immoral agenda.
Jaybird, do you honestly believe that Trump is a christian. :haha: :haha: You got to be kidding all of us. Trump is worse than any money changer in the temple. What would Jesus say about him. :doh: You might peddle that bullshit somewhere else, but no here on the Zone. :groan: You must have been smoking too much wacky tobacco. Bye now. :hellur:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2016, 02:52:39 PM
Typical conservative with no moral compass. :rolleyes:
Do you take all the deductions available to you or do you pass on them because someone who makes less isn't able to?
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 05:48:02 PM
Do you take all the deductions available to you or do you pass on them because someone who makes less isn't able to?
Deductions? What deductions? Outside of a mortgage deduction there is no deduction for a private citizen slaving for the wealthy. Unless they have a medical disaster and then they can write off a percentage of it. . .
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 05:48:02 PM
Do you take all the deductions available to you or do you pass on them because someone who makes less isn't able to?
Let's consider the facts, shall we?
Fact: Trump is running on his success in business. Successful business people don't personally lose a billion dollars in a single year.
Fact: The money Trump claimed as losses wasn't his money; it was that of his investors.
Fact: Trump enriched himself personally, siphoning money out of his businesses at the expense of his investors. That is fraud.
I don't care if it's legal; it is morally reprehensible.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 07:40:23 AM
Let's consider the facts, shall we?
Fact: Trump is running on his success in business. Successful business people don't personally lose a billion dollars in a single year.
Fact: The money Trump claimed as losses wasn't his money; it was that of his investors.
Fact: Trump enriched himself personally, siphoning money out of his businesses at the expense of his investors. That is fraud.
I don't care if it's legal; it is morally reprehensible.
I think you'd better check into the Clinton Foundation. :wink:
Quote from: me on October 10, 2016, 09:45:34 AM
I think you'd better check into the Clinton Foundation. :wink:
I have and it has an excellent reputation. Your lies don't work with educated, informed people.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
I have and it has an excellent reputation. Your lies don't work with educated, informed people.
I think you'd better check some different sources.
Quote from: me on October 10, 2016, 10:32:12 AM
I think you'd better check some different sources.
Mine are quite reliable, thank you. I'm sure yours are something a cousin's brother's wife's uncle dad sent you in an email. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 10, 2016, 10:53:42 AM
Mine are quite reliable, thank you. I'm sure yours are something a cousin's brother's wife's uncle dad sent you in an email. :rolleyes:
And your realiable sources are most likely sources which are from the left.
Quote from: me on October 10, 2016, 05:22:48 PM
And your realiable sources are most likely sources which are from the left.
Why don't you show us the information you have on the Clinton foundation that proves in what you say it is. :yes: I just think you are just one big liar. :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2:
Quote from: me on October 10, 2016, 05:22:48 PM
And your realiable sources are most likely sources which are from the left.
Quote from: The Troll on October 10, 2016, 06:56:58 PM
Why don't you show us the information you have on the Clinton foundation that proves in what you say it is. :yes: I just think you are just one big liar. :liar2:
Really, Me, is it that hard to check things? If you don't want to, go to the library and have a reference librarian do it for you! I would like to see your information on the Clinton Foundation. I've looked them up myself and only found high ratings for them, and from neutral sources, no less.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 10, 2016, 07:03:27 PM
Really, Me, is it that hard to check things? If you don't want to, go to the library and have a reference librarian do it for you! I would like to see your information on the Clinton Foundation. I've looked them up myself and only found high ratings for them, and from neutral sources, no less.
Let's face Abby, all Republicans are liars. :yes: If their lips are moving, they're lying. Trump ---->:slap: <--- Hillery. :zoners:
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 10, 2016, 07:03:27 PM
Really, Me, is it that hard to check things? If you don't want to, go to the library and have a reference librarian do it for you! I would like to see your information on the Clinton Foundation. I've looked them up myself and only found high ratings for them, and from neutral sources, no less.
When I get a free moment I intend to do just that. I don't have time right now to sit at the computer all day and look for it.
Quote from: me on October 11, 2016, 12:58:33 AM
When I get a free moment I intend to do just that. I don't have time right now to sit at the computer all day and look for it.
Maybe you should do your research
before you start flapping your toothless gums. :rolleyes:
I did but didn't keep it or bookmark it and shold have known better. Of course it doesn't matter where it comes from you won't believe it anyway 'cause ya'll are like that.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 11, 2016, 08:03:22 AM
Maybe you should do your research before you start flapping your toothless gums. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 11, 2016, 08:03:22 AM
Maybe you should do your research before you start flapping your toothless gums. :rolleyes:
What a novel idea!
Quote from: me on October 11, 2016, 03:55:26 PM
I did but didn't keep it or bookmark it and shold have known better. Of course it doesn't matter where it comes from you won't believe it anyway 'cause ya'll are like that.
If it wasn't long ago, look at your history on your web browser.
As long as your source isn't Breitbart, Fox News, Drudge Report, and their ilk, I'm willing to look at it. Post it, please. I'd like to see it since I've only seen good ratings.
Listened to so much garbage today on the radio while travelling. All negative towards Trump. With over half of the country supporting him, you would think these bastards would just report the facts rather than try to justify a really bad option and lose their audience.
Quote from: bjayers on October 11, 2016, 10:57:30 PM
With over half of the country supporting him...
LMFAO! Are you on dope?
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 11, 2016, 06:23:36 PM
If it wasn't long ago, look at your history on your web browser.
As long as your source isn't Breitbart, Fox News, Drudge Report, and their ilk, I'm willing to look at it. Post it, please. I'd like to see it since I've only seen good ratings.
I keep my history cleared out rather than let it build up along with the cache and cookies.
Quote from: bjayers on October 11, 2016, 10:57:30 PM
Listened to so much garbage today on the radio while travelling. All negative towards Trump. With over half of the country supporting him, you would think these bastards would just report the facts rather than try to justify a really bad option and lose their audience.
Hey, Jay Bird :chick: get you facts straight :razz: Half the country doesn't support Old Fog Horn Trump. :yes: All you Republicans do is lie, lie, lie and lie. :zoners:
New York Times report three more women come out saying that Donald Trump groped them and fondled them. They have appeared before camera saying it. Bye, bye, bye Groper Don. :haha: Just watch his number do down now. :haha: :rotfl:
Without the women's vote this Molester can't get elected. :fireworks: He's gone! :fireworks: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :seeya2:
This is a video about the mindset and mentality of some Trump supporters in one of the nation's poorest counties - McDowell County, West Virginia. It's 8 minutes long, but worth the time to watch.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/12/west-virginia-donald-trump-supporters-mcdowell-county-poverty-video
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 07:47:49 PM
This is a video about the mindset and mentality of some Trump supporters in one of the nation's poorest counties - McDowell County, West Virginia. It's 8 minutes long, but worth the time to watch.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/12/west-virginia-donald-trump-supporters-mcdowell-county-poverty-video
Good video yet sad. It's a shame they aren't realizing that Trump can't help them.
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 07:47:49 PM
This is a video about the mindset and mentality of some Trump supporters in one of the nation's poorest counties - McDowell County, West Virginia. It's 8 minutes long, but worth the time to watch.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/12/west-virginia-donald-trump-supporters-mcdowell-county-poverty-video
Didn't read it but there you go with that broad brush again. I'm sure, no I know, I could find derogatory things about Hillary supporters too but what's the point? Now I could hang with all this crap about what he supposedly said to women or these women, most of who have ties to Hillary in one way or another, coming out after all these years saying he fondled them but I'm not so sure about finding out he indeed did walk in on the contestants in their dressing rooms. Now I have to decide if I want to go with the socialist and have my grandkids end up with a one world government or go with someone who may actually stop all this political correctness, get the country going again, and stop the divisiveness. Here is where people need to decide which way to go they feel is best for the country and drop the personal bull shit since it's really a non issue and deals with a persons religeous or personal beliefs. A Muslim would have no problem with it since they view women as beneath them and don't have a problem with what he did so that is good in their eyes where ours, not so much.
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
Didn't read it but there you go with that broad brush again. I'm sure, no I know, I could find derogatory things about Hillary supporters too but what's the point? Now I could hang with all this crap about what he supposedly said to women or these women, most of who have ties to Hillary in one way or another, coming out after all these years saying he fondled them but I'm not so sure about finding out he indeed did walk in on the contestants in their dressing rooms. Now I have to decide if I want to go with the socialist and have my grandkids end up with a one world government or go with someone who may actually stop all this political correctness, get the country going again, and stop the divisiveness. Here is where people need to decide which way to go they feel is best for the country and drop the personal bull shit since it's really a non issue and deals with a persons religeous or personal beliefs. A Muslim would have no problem with it since they view women as beneath them and don't have a problem with what he did so that is good in their eyes where ours, not so much.
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 07:47:49 PM
This is a video about the mindset and mentality of some Trump supporters in one of the nation's poorest counties - McDowell County, West Virginia. It's 8 minutes long, but worth the time to watch.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/12/west-virginia-donald-trump-supporters-mcdowell-county-poverty-video
Holy shit! Locutus even said it was a video! You don't have to read anything. If you won't watch it, don't comment on it. You're not even close with your comments on what it is about.
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
Didn't read it but there you go with that broad brush again. I'm sure, no I know, I could find derogatory things about Hillary supporters too but what's the point? Now I could hang with all this crap about what he supposedly said to women or these women, most of who have ties to Hillary in one way or another, coming out after all these years saying he fondled them but I'm not so sure about finding out he indeed did walk in on the contestants in their dressing rooms. Now I have to decide if I want to go with the socialist and have my grandkids end up with a one world government or go with someone who may actually stop all this political correctness, get the country going again, and stop the divisiveness. Here is where people need to decide which way to go they feel is best for the country and drop the personal bull shit since it's really a non issue and deals with a persons religeous or personal beliefs. A Muslim would have no problem with it since they view women as beneath them and don't have a problem with what he did so that is good in their eyes where ours, not so much.
If you didn't read it (it was a video BTW, nothing to read), then why flap your trap about it and accuse me of painting anyone - let alone the people in the video - with a broad brush? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 08:22:19 PM
If you didn't read it (it was a video BTW, nothing to read), then why flap your trap about it and accuse me of painting anyone - let alone the people in the video - with a broad brush? :rolleyes:
The point is I just don't give a damn about that stupid crap on either side since it's just opinion meant to put people down and paint them with a broad brush. Hillary has already said she intends to shut down the coal companies so why would they vote for her as opposed to someone who may be able to help them? That still doesn't negate what I said.
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:13:33 PM
Didn't read it but there you go with that broad brush again. I'm sure, no I know, I could find derogatory things about Hillary supporters too but what's the point? Now I could hang with all this crap about what he supposedly said to women or these women, most of who have ties to Hillary in one way or another, coming out after all these years saying he fondled them but I'm not so sure about finding out he indeed did walk in on the contestants in their dressing rooms. Now I have to decide if I want to go with the socialist and have my grandkids end up with a one world government or go with someone who may actually stop all this political correctness, get the country going again, and stop the divisiveness. Here is where people need to decide which way to go they feel is best for the country and drop the personal bull shit since it's really a non issue and deals with a persons religeous or personal beliefs. A Muslim would have no problem with it since they view women as beneath them and don't have a problem with what he did so that is good in their eyes where ours, not so much.
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:47:01 PM
The point is I just don't give a damn about that stupid crap on either side since it's just opinion meant to put people down and paint them with a broad brush.
Nothing in that video painted those people in a bad light or painted them with a broad brush. Again, if you don't care enough to take the time to watch it, then why open your mouth in suppositon as to what the contents are?
Quote from: me
Hillary has already said she intends to shut down the coal companies so why would they vote for her as opposed to someone who may be able to help them? That still doesn't negate what I said.
That's not what she said when taken in context. That's included in the video you didn't
read watch.
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:47:01 PM
The point is I just don't give a damn about that stupid crap on either side since it's just opinion meant to put people down and paint them with a broad brush. Hillary has already said she intends to shut down the coal companies so why would they vote for her as opposed to someone who may be able to help them? That still doesn't negate what I said.
Here's the FULL quote by Hillary. Her quote is always take out of context by the right. (I highlighted and underlined the most important parts in case you don't want to have to read the whole thing. ;)
"So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?
And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.
Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on."And then there is this: "Hillary Clinton suggests those jobs are not coming back. "The way things are going now, we will continue to lose jobs," she said Monday. Rather than reversing Obama's climate agenda, as Republicans have promised to do,
Clinton wants to help coal country adapt. The $30 billion plan she released last fall calls for increased job training, small-business development, and infrastructure investment, especially in Appalachia. The plan also seeks to safeguard miners' healthcare and pensions. "I have been talking about helping coal country for a very long time," Clinton said this week."
Quote from: Locutus on October 13, 2016, 08:53:16 PM
Nothing in that video painted those people in a bad light or painted them with a broad brush. Again, if you don't care enough to take the time to watch it, then why open your mouth in suppositon as to what the contents are?
That's not what she said when taken in context. That's included in the video you didn't read watch.
I'll try to watch it after I get supper dishes done but it still won't make me want to vote for Hillary and still doesn't negate what I said.
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:55:46 PM
I'll try to watch it after I get supper dishes done but it still won't make me want to vote for Hillary and still doesn't negate what I said.
Read the quote I posted. It negates what you said.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 13, 2016, 08:55:21 PM
Here's the FULL quote by Hillary. Her quote is always take out of context by the right. (I highlighted and underlined the most important parts in case you don't want to have to read the whole thing. ;)
"So for example, I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right?
And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.
Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on."
And then there is this: "Hillary Clinton suggests those jobs are not coming back. "The way things are going now, we will continue to lose jobs," she said Monday. Rather than reversing Obama's climate agenda, as Republicans have promised to do, Clinton wants to help coal country adapt. The $30 billion plan she released last fall calls for increased job training, small-business development, and infrastructure investment, especially in Appalachia. The plan also seeks to safeguard miners' healthcare and pensions. "I have been talking about helping coal country for a very long time," Clinton said this week."
That was said recently to try to get their votes and not what she said earlier. I'll find the video, it's on Youtube, or was anyway.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 13, 2016, 08:56:47 PM
Read the quote I posted. It negates what you said.
No, it doesn't. Why pay attention to the bull shit and not the issues?
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 08:57:06 PM
That was said recently to try to get their votes and not what she said earlier. I'll find the video, it's on Youtube, or was anyway.
This was all said at the same time! During the CNN town hall in March.
I know ya'll will say this girl is nuts but she has a valid point. Yes I went through several videos but did not find the one where she didn't add that about not forgetting the coal miners.
https://www.youtube.com/v/2MW48RB51ZU
Quote from: me on October 13, 2016, 11:04:47 PM
I know ya'll will say this girl is nuts but she has a valid point.
I don't even have to
read watch it to know she's nuts if you think she has a valid point.
The trait that predicts whether someon is likely to be a Trump supporter: authoritarianism. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533)
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 14, 2016, 10:47:52 AM
The trait that predicts whether someon is likely to be a Trump supporter: authoritarianism. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533)
Scientific fact...I know you hate facts.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 14, 2016, 10:47:52 AM
The trait that predicts whether someon is likely to be a Trump supporter: authoritarianism. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533)
That follows very closely with the article I posted on authoritarians and their contributions to the rise of Donald Trump.
Quote from: Locutus on October 14, 2016, 12:05:57 PM
That follows very closely with the article I posted on authoritarians and their contributions to the rise of Donald Trump.
Yep!
Trump wants a drug test before the next debate. :sneaky: He knows damn well that his mental illness won't show up on the test. :huh1: :mooning:
(http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/PeaceNikki72/uAgkm.jpg)
Hare's a very interesting article by Mi-Ai Parrish, of the Arizona Republic. They recently endorsed Hillary Clinton for president, bucking a tradition of over 125 years of never endorsing a Democrat.
Look at the reactions of some of the knuckle-draggers. :rolleyes:
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2016/10/16/arizona-republic-threats-endorsement-freedom-press-column/92201422/ (http://www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2016/10/16/arizona-republic-threats-endorsement-freedom-press-column/92201422/)
Quote from: Locutus on October 16, 2016, 10:43:26 PM
Hare's a very interesting article by Mi-Ai Parrish, of the Arizona Republic. They recently endorsed Hillary Clinton for president, bucking a tradition of over 125 years of never endorsing a Democrat.
Look at the reactions of some of the knuckle-draggers. :rolleyes:
http://www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2016/10/16/arizona-republic-threats-endorsement-freedom-press-column/92201422/ (http://www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2016/10/16/arizona-republic-threats-endorsement-freedom-press-column/92201422/)
Wow. Some of those reactions are unbelievable, yet I've read it before. Truly sad when people behave that way. :(
Yet Trump stokes the fires with his words. Every day. :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on October 16, 2016, 11:00:34 PM
Yet Trump stokes the fires with his words. Every day. :mad:
Yes. Getting crazier every day. :eek: :icon_evil:
Quote from: libby on October 16, 2016, 11:11:32 PM
Yes. Getting crazier every day. :eek: :icon_evil:
Can you only imagine how he'll be when he loses the election? :eek:
You know, it would be nice if the moderators left all the garbage out of the debate and stuck to the issues rather than asking Trump all the bull shit and keeping him off track about issues. Of course they'll go easy on Hillary as usual and we'll get the same tired scripted answers that don't really say anything.
Quote from: libby on October 16, 2016, 11:11:32 PM
Yes. Getting crazier every day. :eek: :icon_evil:
It is his demise in the election and he is too dumb to know it.
Quote from: me on October 17, 2016, 02:21:15 AM
You know, it would be nice if the moderators left all the garbage out of the debate and stuck to the issues rather than asking Trump all the bull shit and keeping him off track about issues. Of course they'll go easy on Hillary as usual and we'll get the same tired scripted answers that don't really say anything.
WTF are you talking about?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 17, 2016, 07:37:18 AM
WTF are you talking about?
I don't want to hear about Trump's past I want to hear him answer questions about what he want's to accomplish and how he intends to go about it during the debate and the same for Hillary and I don't mean her scripted answers either.
Quote from: me on October 17, 2016, 08:18:55 AM
I don't want to hear about Trump's past I want to hear him answer questions about what he want's to accomplish and how he intends to go about it during the debate and the same for Hillary and I don't mean her scripted answers either.
Trump can't tell you how he plans to go about accomplishing anything because he doesn't know. Clinton's plans are available on her web site.
Quote from: me on October 17, 2016, 08:18:55 AM
I don't want to hear about Trump's past I want to hear him answer questions about what he want's to accomplish and how he intends to go about it during the debate and the same for Hillary and I don't mean her scripted answers either.
Trump has had plenty of opportunity to do just that, yet he's
never said anything about policy at his rallies.
We're going to make America great again!
We're going to make really good deals!
We're going to build that wall! Believe me! We're building the wall!
And you know what? That's all the garden-variety bigots care about and want to hear. :rolleyes:
:rotfl: Credit to the Washington Post. ;D
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Quote from: me on October 17, 2016, 08:18:55 AM
I don't want to hear about Trump's past I want to hear him answer questions about what he want's to accomplish and how he intends to go about it during the debate and the same for Hillary and I don't mean her scripted answers either.
Me, no one ever just walks into the job of POTUS and takes over. There are many, many layers of people with varying levels of education and experience who keep the wheels a'turnin' --
Donald Trump would be everybody's worst nightmare, because he does not have a clue how ignorant he is about what makes the U.S. Government work.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 17, 2016, 09:06:52 AM
Trump can't tell you how he plans to go about accomplishing anything because he doesn't know. Clinton's plans are available on her web site.
Quote from: Locutus on October 17, 2016, 12:20:01 PM
Trump has had plenty of opportunity to do just that, yet he's never said anything about policy at his rallies.
We're going to make America great again!
We're going to make really good deals!
We're going to build that wall! Believe me! We're building the wall!
And you know what? That's all the garden-variety bigots care about and want to hear. :rolleyes:
I'd really like to hear his policies and hear how crazy they are. Still trying to figure out how he's going to get Mexico to pay for the wall.
Quote from: libby on October 17, 2016, 08:01:53 PM
Me, no one ever just walks into the job of POTUS and takes over. There are many, many layers of people with varying levels of education and experience who keep the wheels a'turnin' --
Donald Trump would be everybody's worst nightmare, because he does not have a clue how ignorant he is about what makes the U.S. Government work.
So true, Libby.
Quote from: libby on October 17, 2016, 08:01:53 PM
Me, no one ever just walks into the job of POTUS and takes over. There are many, many layers of people with varying levels of education and experience who keep the wheels a'turnin' --
Donald Trump would be everybody's worst nightmare, because he does not have a clue how ignorant he is about what makes the U.S. Government work.
Bingo
Quote from: libby on October 17, 2016, 08:01:53 PM
Me, no one ever just walks into the job of POTUS and takes over. There are many, many layers of people with varying levels of education and experience who keep the wheels a'turnin' --
Donald Trump would be everybody's worst nightmare, because he does not have a clue how ignorant he is about what makes the U.S. Government work.
Did I say he could just walk in there and do what he wants? I said I'd like to hear what he wants to accomplish. How do you know what he knows if he's always having to defend himself against bull shit that is dealt out by the lebs? All you hear from Hillary is what she's gonna give you not how she intends to pay for it.
Quote from: me on October 18, 2016, 10:51:19 AM
Did I say he could just walk in there and do what he wants? I said I'd like to hear what he wants to accomplish. How do you know what he knows if he's always having to defend himself against bull shit that is dealt out by the lebs? All you hear from Hillary is what she's gonna give you not how she intends to pay for it.
Quit worrying :me: Hillary has got this one, she going to win with a landslide. :trustme: You're busted. :busted: Just sit down and shutup. :lipsrsealed2: :choo: :choo: Hillary is :no1:
Quote from: The Troll on October 18, 2016, 11:58:48 AM
Quit worrying :me: Hillary has got this one, she going to win with a landslide. :trustme: You're busted. :busted: Just sit down and shutup. :lipsrsealed2: :choo: :choo: Hillary is :no1:
I just watched the 11Th woman with her two friends who were kissed by Trump uninvited. She also was propositioned by Trump with dinner, the use of his jet plane and $10,000 to sleep with him 10 years ago. :yes: Now that is what I call a real hard on. :haha: If you can't steal it, you buy it. $10,000, a jet plane to use and dinner. :haha: :rotfl: And this pig :pigdance: wants to be president. He don't want to jail perverts, but wants to jail women who want a abortion. :rant: The god damn bastard. :angry:
Watching television, all you hear now is the FBI and the emails of Hillary's. :yes: When are we going to hear about Donald Trump being brought up on raping a 13 year old girl. Now this is a federal case in federal court and you don't hear one thing about it. :rant: I think the pervert Trump did it, I think he is quite capable of doing such a thing. :rant: This :hogslop: Trump is a liar, a thief, con-man, child rapist and a pu$$y grabber. :rant: When are the crazy nuts that back him and will vote for him, wise up. :angry: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
the melt down has begun... :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 31, 2016, 07:11:13 AM
the melt down has begun... :biggrin:
Is Trump going off the rails again?
No, but it appears Hillary has.... :biggrin: :biggrin:
(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/clintonfamilyindex.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)
Quote from: Exterminator on October 31, 2016, 08:44:13 AM
You wish. :rolleyes:
Exterminator, do you want to help me find some crows for old Bird Boy Henry to eat. :eat: :food24:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2016, 03:02:30 PM
More than 13 million GOP voters seem to think his resume is much better than the previous primaries.....He has set a record turn out.
That shows you how much the GOP (Grand Old Party) has changed. :dam: Changed from an intelligent group of Conservative people to a group of :kissit: ass kissing perverts :coat: Born again christian wackos :nowink: :jc: Who bow to the Antichrist Trump. :kneel:
Donald Trump :kneel: :me: and the Hawk are to the right and left of the leader Trump: :pigdance:
All I got to say to the Republicans is, Happy Halloween :kooks: :witch3: :punk: :punk: :punk:
Don't worry Troll. It'll all be over in 8 days. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on October 31, 2016, 04:42:20 PM
Don't worry Troll. It'll all be over in 8 days. ;D
The word is out that anyone who wants to see the real Pig Trump. Get the New "News Week" magazine. They have a whole bunch of news of "Why Russia Supports Donald Trump". :rant:
I was just reading an article on evangelical support for Trump an this quote struck me as dead on: "Growing up in church does a real number on your ability to detect empty promises."
Quote from: Exterminator on November 04, 2016, 01:43:37 PM
I was just reading an article on evangelical support for Trump an this quote struck me as dead on: "Growing up in church does a real number on your ability to detect empty promises."
Yes indeed. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 04, 2016, 01:43:37 PM
I was just reading an article on evangelical support for Trump an this quote struck me as dead on: "Growing up in church does a real number on your ability to detect empty promises."
Absolutely!
Quote from: Locutus on November 04, 2016, 02:09:32 PM
Absolutely!
Just look at the red state on the map :read: These states have the most born again Christians. :doh: :doh: Also have the most churches. :preach: and preachers. Their religion and going to church all the time, keeps them stupid. :yes: If anything baffles them or they just under stand how the world works, they just blame god :ghost: I use run into a lot of preachers with the job I had and I have asked them if they ever had a religious experience. Everyone said no, but one said, his preacher dad had one. His dad was writing a sermon and the paper in the typewriter caught on fire. :huh1: Well, he said it happened, but he did see it himself. :huh1:
The old old story repeated billions and billions of time is just bull shit :bsflag: :preach: :pope: :pray: and the three ghosties :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :wall2:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 04, 2016, 01:43:37 PM
I was just reading an article on evangelical support for Trump an this quote struck me as dead on: "Growing up in church does a real number on your ability to detect empty promises."
Yup. But now in all fairness, this here is the NEW Christian peoples...they rewrote the OLD Christian peoples bible 15 times now. They jump on a verse in this here chapter and then go to a verse in that there chapter and cut and paste together one fine ol' "Love the rich, cuz God loves the rich and even Jesus lived off his gold."
You aint' playing with Real christians..these guys was made from the for profit preacher men who struck a deal with the repubilcan party to get guvment money and they'd give them the vote.
Quote from: The Troll on November 04, 2016, 05:05:35 PM
Just look at the red state on the map :read: These states have the most born again Christians. :doh: :doh: Also have the most churches. :preach: and preachers. Their religion and going to church all the time, keeps them stupid. :yes: If anything baffles them or they just under stand how the world works, they just blame god :ghost: I use run into a lot of preachers with the job I had and I have asked them if they ever had a religious experience. Everyone said no, but one said, his preacher dad had one. His dad was writing a sermon and the paper in the typewriter caught on fire. :huh1: Well, he said it happened, but he did see it himself. :huh1:
The old old story repeated billions and billions of time is just bull shit :bsflag: :preach: :pope: :pray: and the three ghosties :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: :wall2:
In the early 1970's, the evangelicals moved into my town of Waterloo, Iowa and set up a church they quickly fed into the local TV. They brought in all kinds of out of state "perty" people to recruit young people to come to the church. I was already soured on the born again idea as it had taken over my Lutheran church. But this guy was in town setting up this wholly new church. I lived with three of the girls who were part of the church. One night, they were all going to go out and discuss the Bible. Being naive and stupid...at the time, Palehorse... :razz:....I went with them and started talking about the Christian ideals in the bible...they got all quiet and left and then called their preacherman who told them to stay away from me because I was possessed.....
The church is still there....it's been even brought to light on the political scene..it's where Michelle Bachmann went to church....
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 04, 2016, 05:14:07 PM
In the early 1970's, the evangelicals moved into my town of Waterloo, Iowa and set up a church they quickly fed into the local TV. They brought in all kinds of out of state "perty" people to recruit young people to come to the church. I was already soured on the born again idea as it had taken over my Lutheran church. But this guy was in town setting up this wholly new church. I lived with three of the girls who were part of the church. One night, they were all going to go out and discuss the Bible. Being naive and stupid...at the time, Palehorse... :razz:....I went with them and started talking about the Christian ideals in the bible...they got all quiet and left and then called their preacherman who told them to stay away from me because I was possessed.....
The church is still there....it's been even brought to light on the political scene..it's where Michelle Bachmann went to church....
Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, fine example of a religious and born again christian education. :haha: Some body say A-men. :pray: :preach: :pope: :ghost:
Quote from: The Troll on November 04, 2016, 08:25:51 PM
Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, fine example of a religious and born again christian education. :haha: Some body say A-men. :pray: :preach: :pope: :ghost:
:pope: :pope: :pope:
Quote from: The Troll on November 04, 2016, 08:25:51 PM
Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, fine example of a religious and born again christian education. :haha: Some body say A-men. :pray: :preach: :pope: :ghost:
:yes: :biggrin:
Ted Nugent and his crotch grabbing introduction from Trump in Michigan. :rolleyes:
Not really safe for work.
https://www.youtube.com/v/GcEN6pHW53g
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 01:34:33 PM
Ted Nugent and his crotch grabbing introduction from Trump in Michigan. :rolleyes:
He's such a douchebag.
And JZ and Beyonce are wonderful? Then, of course, there's Madonna....Wow
Quote from: me on November 07, 2016, 02:24:50 PM
And JZ and Beyonce are wonderful? Then, of course, there's Madonna....Wow
Who said that? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 01:34:33 PM
Ted Nugent and his crotch grabbing introduction from Trump in Michigan. :rolleyes:
Not really safe for work.
https://www.youtube.com/v/GcEN6pHW53g
Isn't Nugent illegal in at least 7 states? ;D
I hope so! ;D
Nugent has been banned in a couple of states for hunting but I think that is about it.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 07, 2016, 02:55:24 PM
Who said that? :rolleyes:
Ya'll are putting Trump down for his association with Nugent but I've yet to see any of you post about Hillary teaming up with Madonna, gonna give a bj to people who vote for her, or foul mouth JZ and BLM Beyonce doing a concert for her.
Quote from: me on November 07, 2016, 05:43:52 PM
Ya'll are putting Trump down for his association with Nugent but I've yet to see any of you post about Hillary teaming up with Madonna, gonna give a bj to people who vote for her, or foul mouth JZ and BLM Beyonce doing a concert for her.
You're in the minority here, me. All you can do it bring it up yourself.....and remind everyone when Clinton steals the election by buying the Electoral College that YOU didn't vote for her when she sets up the draft of boys and girls.
Quote from: me on November 07, 2016, 05:43:52 PM
Ya'll are putting Trump down for his association with Nugent but I've yet to see any of you post about Hillary teaming up with Madonna, gonna give a bj to people who vote for her, or foul mouth JZ and BLM Beyonce doing a concert for her.
Nuge is an extremist and former entertainer. (Ever ask yourself why a man that can play as well as he can isn't in a touring band? Hell, even the geriatric Led Zep is still working)
He's skeered Hillary is going to take his firearms from him; as if Trump would not do the same. (If it were actually possible).
Fact is that is an impossibility. They'd have to change the constitution.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 05:45:08 PM
You're in the minority here, me. All you can do it bring it up yourself.....and remind everyone when Clinton steals the election by buying the Electoral College that YOU didn't vote for her when she sets up the draft of boys and girls.
Hell let them draft girls and women into the Military. :rant: The women want everything a man has, his money, his balls, his jobs and have hair under their arms too. Let they go military too and make them sweat. :sweatdrop: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on November 07, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
Hell let them draft girls and women into the Military. :rant: The women want everything a man has, his money, his balls, his jobs and have hair under their arms too. Let they go military too and make them sweat. :sweatdrop: :haha:
They will. They are now required to register with the Selective Service. And the way the neoliberals kiss Zionist arse, they will have mandatory military service for four years before Clinton is done with her first term, just like they do in Israel.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:17:05 PM
They will. They are now required to register with the Selective Service. And the way the neoliberals kiss Zionist arse, they will have mandatory military service for four years before Clinton is done with her first term, just like they do in Israel.
No they aren't. Where did you get this info from?
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:17:05 PM
They are now required to register with the Selective Service.
Uh, no they aren't. This is from the Selective Service System website.
https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Women-And-Draft
Quote from: Palehorse on November 07, 2016, 05:50:17 PM
Nuge is an extremist and former entertainer. (Ever ask yourself why a man that can play as well as he can isn't in a touring band? Hell, even the geriatric Led Zep is still working)
He's skeered Hillary is going to take his firearms from him; as if Trump would not do the same. (If it were actually possible).
Fact is that is an impossibility. They'd have to change the constitution.
There is a good possibility he is over it as far as being an entertainer, there is such a thing as burn out ya know. The dems screamed bloody murder about Trump and then hang with the likes of those I mentioned but think that's fine. You know there were probably kids in that audience with JZ spouting his profanity and racist crap in his songs, and I use that term loosely. I also didn't hear them jumping Madonna for offering bj's to everyone if Hillary wins and then there's Beyonce.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 07, 2016, 10:14:30 PM
No they aren't. Where did you get this info from?
Maybe it hasn't been cleared yet, but last I heard the Senate passed it.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/politics/senate-approves-women-draft/ (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/politics/senate-approves-women-draft/)
QuoteWomen may soon be required to register for the military draft.
The Senate overwhelmingly passed a $602 billion defense bill Tuesday that included an amendment that would require women to register for the draft -- also known as the selective service -- for the first time in history.
The National Defense Authorization Act passed 85-13, although some Republican senators protested against the inclusion of the provision pertaining to women and the draft.
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 10:22:01 PM
Uh, no they aren't. This is from the Selective Service System website.
https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Women-And-Draft
Thanks....last I heard the Senate had passed the bill. Not sure where the House is on it.
I knew Clinton was for the idea, against the idea, and then for the idea again...not sure where she stands now....;)
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-backs-provision-requiring-women-register-draft (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-backs-provision-requiring-women-register-draft)
QuoteHillary Clinton on Wednesday threw her support behind legislation that would require women to register for the draft.
"I am on record as supporting the all-volunteer military, which I think at this time does serve our country well," she told the Huffington Post. "And I am very committed to supporting and really lifting up the men and women in uniform and their families."
A provision in the National Defense Authorization Act passed by the Senate on Tuesday requires women to sign up for the draft. Both Republicans and Democrats supported the measure, arguing that military service is not inherently gendered.
"If we want women to be treated precisely like men are treated and that they should not be discriminated against, we should be willing to support a universal conscription," Rep. Jackie Speier (D-CA) said to NBC News.
Quote from: me on November 07, 2016, 05:43:52 PM
Ya'll are putting Trump down for his association with Nugent but I've yet to see any of you post about Hillary teaming up with Madonna, gonna give a bj to people who vote for her, or foul mouth JZ and BLM Beyonce doing a concert for her.
Again, who said that?
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:17:05 PM
They will. They are now required to register with the Selective Service. And the way the neoliberals kiss Zionist arse, they will have mandatory military service for four years before Clinton is done with her first term, just like they do in Israel.
Oh, look...not just a jackass whack job but an anti-Semite as well. That's adorable. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on November 07, 2016, 11:56:51 PM
...JZ spouting his profanity and racist crap in his songs, and I use that term loosely. I also didn't hear them jumping Madonna for offering bj's to everyone if Hillary wins and then there's Beyonce.
Who cares about any of those 'pop icons'? Do you?
And, as usual, you don't get your tales straight:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/19/madonna-promises-blow-jobs-for-hillary-clinton-voters/
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 10:22:01 PM
Uh, no they aren't. This is from the Selective Service System website.
https://www.sss.gov/Registration/Women-And-Draft
Oh but Kooks is supposed to be an 'educated' and 'informed' debaiter!
NOT! :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 08, 2016, 07:53:21 AM
Oh, look...not just a jackass whack job but an anti-Semite as well. That's adorable. :rolleyes:
The veneer has been peeling away for some time now and the filthy rotten core exposing itself more and more as time passes.
This guy is hysterical! (http://alexanderckane.tumblr.com/post/151082367051/oh-hello-there-angry-trump-fan-in-the-comments)
"Angry Trump Fan Claim #3: Donald Trump gets attacked for what he says about women, but nobody calls out Bill Clinton.
Here is a handy link (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Is+Bill+Clinton+running+for+president) to the answer to that question.
After you click that, go look at yourself in the mirror. Yeah, that's a scumbag who blames women for their husbands' infidelities. Pretty disgusting, right? Like you wanna look away and go get ice cream, but you don't deserve ice cream."
That entire list is hilarious - and so true! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 08, 2016, 07:53:21 AM
Oh, look...not just a jackass whack job but an anti-Semite as well. That's adorable. :rolleyes:
Being against Zionism and Zionists isn't being anti-Semitic. Do you not know the difference between the Jews who practice Judaism and the Zionists? The Jews who are practicing do not LIKE the Zionists and their violence.
http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-zionism-and-judaism/ (http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-zionism-and-judaism/)
QuoteThere is a big difference between Zionism and Judaism. Judaism describes the Jewish faith whereas Zionism defines the philosophy behind an exclusive Jewish state which is the physical and spiritual homeland meant exclusively for the Jewish people. The latter is a very fundamentalist outlook, and is much reviled, particularly amongst the Arabs.
All Zionist are Jews, but not all Jews are Zionists. There are Jews in many parts of the world. Most of them live in Israel and America. Now all of them certainly believe in Judaism, but not all of them would subscribe to the hard-line exclusivist vision of the Zionists.
Think of them in terms of how the rich have created all these war scenarios....the ISIS Islamic fundamentalists versus the the Born again evangelical fundamentalists versus the Zionist fundamentalists....pro=war groups made that way to make the rich richer.
Quote from: Y on November 08, 2016, 10:46:45 AM
The veneer has been peeling away for some time now and the filthy rotten core exposing itself more and more as time passes.
Are you serious? What rotten core do I have? I never trolled you. You came after me for YEARS....LONG before the "Im' fed up with it time" I started turning people into their bosses.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 08, 2016, 12:59:47 PM
Being against Zionism and Zionists isn't being anti-Semitic.
Codespeak.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 08, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
Are you serious? What rotten core do I have? I never trolled you. You came after me for YEARS....LONG before the "Im' fed up with it time" I started turning people into their bosses.
Kooks, you're a liar. I know you're a liar. You know you're a liar. Practically everyone here knows you're a liar.
I'm not going to argue about that lie with you because all you do is lie and it's nothing but an empty vortex circling down the drain to argue with a liar. :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 08, 2016, 01:21:33 PM
Codespeak.
Of course it is.
I've been around enough white supremacists to recognize all their racist and bigoted talk and justifications when it's used.
Quote from: Y on November 08, 2016, 10:39:38 AM
Who cares about any of those 'pop icons'? Do you?
And, as usual, you don't get your tales straight:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/19/madonna-promises-blow-jobs-for-hillary-clinton-voters/
Hum, sounded to me like that was what she said.
Did you even read the link?
:biggrin:
Quote from: Y on November 08, 2016, 10:42:16 AM
Oh but Kooks is supposed to be an 'educated' and 'informed' debaiter!
NOT! :wink:
Again with the Kooks. How about Tubby for you? Or Tube man?
I am educated and I am informed.
And I make mistakes and said I made a mistake with the Selective Services for women.
I can tell you of a LOT of mistakes you made.....numerous times...and when called out on it, you NEVER backed down.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 08, 2016, 01:21:33 PM
Codespeak.
Did you read the link? "Arabs and other peoples are also Semites, and yet they are not the targets of anti-Semitism as it is usually understood. The term is especially inappropriate as a label for the anti-Jewish prejudices, statements, or actions of Arabs or other Semites."
I am not against Jews. I am against the Zionists. The sad fact is that you can't tell the difference. The Zionists got $38BN in aide from Obama...the Jewish people practicing Judaism got zip.
Quote from: Y on November 08, 2016, 01:33:49 PM
Of course it is.
I've been around enough white supremacists to recognize all their racist and bigoted talk and justifications when it's used.
Are you for Zionists? ISIS? The Born again evangelicals?>
Just because you don't know the difference between the Jewish people in Israel practicing Judaism and those extremists practicing Zionism doesn't make me the white supremacists...it just makes you far less educated on the MIddle East than I am.
:haha: :haha: Say Guys, did you see Trump watching his wife Melania voting. :haha: I'll bet he wanted to know if she was going to vote for him. :yes: Later when they checked their ballots, Trump had voted for himself and Melania hadn't voted, but had wrote "HELP ME!" on her ballot. :haha: :haha:
;D
Quote from: Y on November 08, 2016, 10:39:38 AM
Who cares about any of those 'pop icons'? Do you?
And, as usual, you don't get your tales straight:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/19/madonna-promises-blow-jobs-for-hillary-clinton-voters/
The point is she still made the remark and it was at public event rather than in a private conversation between her and someone else.
Quote from: The Troll on November 08, 2016, 06:18:27 PM
:haha: :haha: Say Guys, did you see Trump watching his wife Melania voting. :haha: I'll bet he wanted to know if she was going to vote for him. :yes: Later when they checked their ballots, Trump had voted for himself and Melania hadn't voted, but had wrote "HELP ME!" on her ballot. :haha: :haha:
Runs in the family. His son Eric did the same thing.
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14938371_10210584348748004_6619590848266061031_n.jpg?oh=338d90e6cb1e83e276deb0239fb5a066&oe=588A4224)
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 08, 2016, 10:23:34 PM
Runs in the family. His son Eric did the same thing.
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14938371_10210584348748004_6619590848266061031_n.jpg?oh=338d90e6cb1e83e276deb0239fb5a066&oe=588A4224)
Damn, his legs are terribly short compared to his trunk. Bet he has a hell of a time finding shirts long enough to tuck. Did you look real close at that picture?
Quote from: me on November 08, 2016, 10:30:35 PM
Damn, his legs are terribly short compared to his trunk. Bet he has a hell of a time finding shirts long enough to tuck. Did you look real close at that picture?
I'm just posting things like you do, Me. No fact checking involved! :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 08, 2016, 10:37:17 PM
I'm just posting things like you do, Me. No fact checking involved! :wink: :biggrin:
:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Here you go Me. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/photo-essays/2016-11-08/america-votes-photos-from-election-day-2016
Quote from: The Troll on October 31, 2016, 11:31:27 AM
Exterminator, do you want to help me find some crows for old Bird Boy Henry to eat. :eat: :food24:
Oh Troll...........How do you like your Crow??? :eat: :food24: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
:preach: :pope: :pray: can I get an amen!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 09, 2016, 07:22:51 AM
Oh Troll...........How do you like your Crow??? :eat: :food24: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
:preach: :pope: :pray: can I get an amen!
Laugh all you want Bird Boy, You're going to eat crow after you see what a Republican controlled House of Representives, Senate and Presidency is going to do. I lost $63,000 on my retirement fund under George W. Bush. Under Obama I got all back and enough more to buy a new F150 Ford Truck. I had told my wife if Trump wins, we are going to take another hit on our retirement fund. If we want a new truck we might as well get it. We bought it 8 weeks ago and I was right. Looks like it going to happen.
Yep you bought a pretty wrapped package of empty promices, with a big pretty Trump bow stuck on with a little piece of Pence Scotch tape. Save you money Bird boy.
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days
Here are the more possible things he wants to do, click the link for the rest.
Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:
Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.
End The Offshoring Act. Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.
American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.
School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.
Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.
Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-side childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.
End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.
Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.
Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values
Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.
On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities, and honesty to our government.
This is my pledge to you.
And if we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by and for the people.
Quote from: me on November 10, 2016, 01:31:13 AM
Here are the more possible things he wants to do, click the link for the rest.
I printed it out yesterday so that I can rub your faces in it when he fails to accomplish these things.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2016, 03:02:30 PM
More than 13 million GOP voters seem to think his resume is much better than the previous primaries.....He has set a record turn out.
There is one question I would like to ask. With Trump's past, crooked business dealings, bankruptcies, his dealings with women. How will Trump receive a Top Secret Security Clearance.
Oh I sorry, the FBI gives those security clearances, don't they. Since they made him president, I don't see why they can't give him the atomic and the hydrogen bomb security codes.
:eek:
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end)
Quote from: The Troll on November 10, 2016, 03:12:02 PM
There is one question I would like to ask. With Trump's past, crooked business dealings, bankruptcies, his dealings with women. How will Trump receive a Top Secret Security Clearance.
Oh I sorry, the FBI gives those security clearances, don't they. Since they made him president, I don't see why they can't give him the atomic and the hydrogen bomb security codes.
Look at Hillary and Bill's shady past and she was able to get one as was he. Trump also isn't the one who announced to the world the exact time of the fail safe on the button, 4 min I believe it was, or the one who pointed out the person carrying the code, Biden did that twice, so don't go flappin' yer jaws about him getting a security clearance.
Quote from: me on November 10, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Look at Hillary and Bill's shady past and she was able to get one as was he. Trump also isn't the one who announced to the world the exact time of the fail safe on the button, 4 min I believe it was, or the one who pointed out the person carrying the code, Biden did that twice, so don't go flappin' yer jaws about him getting a security clearance.
:rolleyes:
You're completely and totally nuts. ;D
Nope, she said it during the last depate and Biden pointed out who carried the code when he was with him at two different rallies.
Quote from: me on November 10, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Look at Hillary and Bill's shady past...
Gawd, you're as ridiculous as Hank!
Read my last post to him in the other thread and LEARN SOMETHING FOR A CHANGE!
Quote from: me on November 10, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Trump also isn't the one who announced to the world the exact time of the fail safe on the button, 4 min I believe it was...
Uh, that's not classified information. :rolleyes:
Oh my goodness, oh, my dear, oh my good god. Have you see where Trump wants to have his rape trial put off until after he is sworn in a s president. Oh goody, he can pardon himself if he is found guilty. Man, he good at the con.
It's a civil trial Troll; not criminal.
The accuser has also dropped the charges, surprise surprise. Didn't happen after all.
Quote from: me on November 11, 2016, 02:47:59 PM
The accuser has also dropped the charges, surprise surprise. Didn't happen after all.
No, she was getting death threats. Don't know why anyone would ever believe such a thing about a wholesome guy like Trump, though. Nothing creepy about him at all!
(https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/donald-ivanka-trump-throwback-photo-ftr-1.jpg)
Oh Ex! The Dow Jones industrial Averag (http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2016/11/10/Dow-blazes-into-record-territory-in-second-straight-day-of-Trump-optimism/9021478816197/)e closed at 18,845.....another all-time high! as Trump optimism propels it to the best week in five years........
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2016, 04:43:05 PM
Oh Ex! The Dow Jones industrial Averag (http://www.upi.com/Business_News/2016/11/10/Dow-blazes-into-record-territory-in-second-straight-day-of-Trump-optimism/9021478816197/)e closed at 18,845.....another all-time high! as Trump optimism propels it to the best week in five years........
Remember Obama is still in and calling the shots.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 11, 2016, 02:52:12 PM
No, she was getting death threats. Don't know why anyone would ever believe such a thing about a wholesome guy like Trump, though. Nothing creepy about him at all!
That looks like a boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife picture, not a father/daughter picture.
Quote from: me on November 11, 2016, 02:47:59 PM
The accuser has also dropped the charges, surprise surprise. Didn't happen after all.
You've never been sexually assaulted, have you? With the "it was her fault" and "she was asking for it" mentality out there, it was amazing she came forward, especially with dealing with someone like Trump.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 11, 2016, 07:41:57 PM
You've never been sexually assaulted, have you? With the "it was her fault" and "she was asking for it" mentality out there, it was amazing she came forward, especially with dealing with someone like Trump.
You mean like Hillary done to the 12 yr old who actually was raped and was badly hurt?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 11, 2016, 02:52:12 PM
No, she was getting death threats. Don't know why anyone would ever believe such a thing about a wholesome guy like Trump, though. Nothing creepy about him at all!
(https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/donald-ivanka-trump-throwback-photo-ftr-1.jpg)
If we could see a closeup of his left hand, you probably could see it trembling just to grab her pu$$y.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 11, 2016, 07:41:57 PM
You've never been sexually assaulted, have you? With the "it was her fault" and "she was asking for it" mentality out there, it was amazing she came forward, especially with dealing with someone like Trump.
You mean like Hillary did to the 12 yr old who actually was raped and was badly hurt?
Quote from: me on November 11, 2016, 09:31:26 PM
You mean like Hillary done to the 12 yr old who actually was raped and was badly hurt?
Stay on topic, Me. In case you forgot already, this is about the 13 year old who was said she was raped repeatedly by Trump. You have no idea what it is like to go through something like that, do you?
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 11, 2016, 10:30:11 PM
Stay on topic, Me. In case you forgot already, this is about the 13 year old who was said she was raped repeatedly by Trump. You have no idea what it is like to go through something like that, do you?
I am on topic did you read what you posted? I was replying to that. Isn't that what Hillary put that 12yr old through and you defended it? Also wasn't she the accuser who said she was receiving death threats even though no one knew who she was? I'd say she dropped it because she was lying in the first place.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 12:23:25 AM
I am on topic did you read what you posted? I was replying to that. Isn't that what Hillary put that 12yr old through and you defended it? Also wasn't she the accuser who said she was receiving death threats even though no one knew who she was? I'd say she dropped it because she was lying in the first place.
No, you're not on topic. This is about Trump, not HRC. The death threats were probably funneled through her lawyer's office. Who her lawyer was was public knowledge. I'll ask again. You have no idea what it is like to go through something like that, do you? You've never been sexually assaulted so you have no clue what this woman is going through.
And you're accusing him without knowing if it happened or not. Remember all the accusations against the football players that turned out to be bull shit after ruining their lives? Why didn't she file charges years ago rather than wait until he was running for office, more than a little suspicious don't you think?
Of course you probably won't even click on this since it doesn't reflect what you've been programed to believe.
http://prntly.com/2016/11/12/trumps-first-3-transition-dream-team-members-are-female-gay-black-liberals-are-having-a-meltdown/
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 12, 2016, 02:38:52 AM
No, you're not on topic. This is about Trump, not HRC. The death threats were probably funneled through her lawyer's office. Who her lawyer was was public knowledge. I'll ask again. You have no idea what it is like to go through something like that, do you? You've never been sexually assaulted so you have no clue what this woman is going through.
Someone wanting to sexually rape or molest or grab :me: by the pu$$y. :doh: :o The idea of it makes me and anyone who cares about his standing among men, would :puke: :haha:
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Of course you probably won't even click on this since it doesn't reflect what you've been programed to believe.
http://prntly.com/2016/11/12/trumps-first-3-transition-dream-team-members-are-female-gay-black-liberals-are-having-a-meltdown/
Unlike you, Me, I look at ALL sources. When I look up something, I don't simply accept the first thing I see as gospel, but I dig deeper. Remember the yahoo link you put up on another thread about Bush being the antichrist and how I refuted three of the sites listed? Obviously, you didn't check what you were posting.
If someone provides FACTS that oppose what I know, I will accept it. The only time I was programmed to believe a certain way was when I was an evangelical christian and taught not to question. I've left that shit and now think for myself, ask questions, fact check, and discuss things with other intelligent open minded individuals. Which is one of the reasons l like working at the library.
BTW, I clicked on the link, but nothing came up.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 11:35:10 AM
And you're accusing him without knowing if it happened or not. Remember all the accusations against the football players that turned out to be bull shit after ruining their lives? Why didn't she file charges years ago rather than wait until he was running for office, more than a little suspicious don't you think?
What football players are you even talking about because all of them have been found guilty of rape? You need to stay on topic something you have a hard time doing. I clicked on your link and it didn't work.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 12, 2016, 02:44:55 PM
What football players are you even talking about because all of them have been found guilty of rape? You need to stay on topic something you have a hard time doing. I clicked on your link and it didn't work.
:me: do you ever feel like a fool when everything you say is crammed back down you throat. :shots:
Quote from: The Troll on November 12, 2016, 04:30:40 PM
:me: do you ever feel like a fool when everything you say is crammed back down you throat. :shots:
She needed to elaborate which football players that she was even talking about. Vanderbilt football players is the only ones that I know of that have been found guilty of rape but I am sure there are tons of others or they are waiting to go to trial for rape.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 12, 2016, 05:35:55 PM
She needed to elaborate which football players that she was even talking about. Vanderbilt football players is the only ones that I know of that have been found guilty of rape but I am sure there are tons of others or they are waiting to go to trial for rape.
Oh good grief quit being stupid, I know you keep up on things better than that.
Quote from: The Troll on November 12, 2016, 04:30:40 PM
:me: do you ever feel like a fool when everything you say is crammed back down you throat. :shots:
If she is talking about Vanderbilt players. There are articles on them and the Utah football player.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 05:41:19 PM
Oh good grief quit being stupid, I know you keep up on things better than that.
No, stupid you haven't stated which football players so quit being obtuse and elaborate or are you just showing your ignorance as usual.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 11:56:43 AM
Of course you probably won't even click on this since it doesn't reflect what you've been programed to believe.
http://prntly.com/2016/11/12/trumps-first-3-transition-dream-team-members-are-female-gay-black-liberals-are-having-a-meltdown/
LOL!! Programmed?
Snopes describes that website you cited as, "a disreputable outlet that has a penchant for publishing both fake news and spurious pro-Trump articles."
Care to try again? ;D
Here's another clue. Trump has assigned Ken Blackwell to his domestic policy transition team. Do a bit of research on him and let me know how friendly you think Trump is going to be to the LGBTQ community. :wink:
One more thing before more football. It's worrisome that so many people, like you, who are unfortunately allowed to vote, do so based on fake news, lies, suppositons, and downright ignorance.
A prime example is someone who votes for Trump based on a promise he'll impose term limits on Congress, all while being completely bereft of a clue about what it actually would take to accomplish that. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 12, 2016, 06:51:14 PM
One more thing before more football. It's worrisome that so many people, like you, who are unfortunately allowed to vote, do so based on fake news, lies, suppositons, and downright ignorance.
A prime example is someone who votes for Trump based on a promise he'll impose term limits on Congress, all while being completely bereft of a clue about what it actually would take to accomplish that. :roll eyes:
Also the same people who claimed Hillary would take their guns away by revoking the 2nd amendment. Not a clue on how our government works.
Quote from: Locutus on November 12, 2016, 06:51:14 PM
One more thing before more football. It's worrisome that so many people, like you, who are unfortunately allowed to vote, do so based on fake news, lies, suppositons, and downright ignorance.
A prime example is someone who votes for Trump based on a promise he'll impose term limits on Congress, all while being completely bereft of a clue about what it actually would take to accomplish that. :roll eyes:
No one has been able to accomplish that and it's been tried before so I knew that wasn't about to happen.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 08:13:37 PM
No one has been able to accomplish that and it's been tried before so I knew that wasn't about to happen.
Some day I don't know when (never) it would be wonderful that you could write one paragraph that was truthful and could be believed. :choo: :choo: :choo:
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 08:13:37 PM
No one has been able to accomplish that and it's been tried before so I knew that wasn't about to happen.
Term limits has never been tried before in Congress as the Congress men and women would block that. It has always been brought up for discussion but the career politicians wouldn't pass that if it was brought up for a vote. It is only recently that the 2nd. Amendment has even been brought up for discussion, I believe in light of all the shootings that takes place but it won't happen either.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 13, 2016, 07:25:04 AM
Term limits has never been tried before in Congress as the Congress men and women would block that. It has always been brought up for discussion but the career politicians wouldn't pass that if it was brought up for a vote. It is only recently that the 2nd. Amendment has even been brought up for discussion, I believe in light of all the shootings that takes place but it won't happen either.
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You will never get the congressmen from feeding at the Washington DC Hog Trough :hogslop: The American people will have to hit the streets and demand it. :4th3:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 13, 2016, 07:25:04 AM
Term limits has never been tried before in Congress as the Congress men and women would block that. It has always been brought up for discussion but the career politicians wouldn't pass that if it was brought up for a vote. It is only recently that the 2nd. Amendment has even been brought up for discussion, I believe in light of all the shootings that takes place but it won't happen either.
Isn't that what I said??????
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 08:13:37 PM
No one has been able to accomplish that and it's been tried (talked about before) so I knew that wasn't about to happen.
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The Senate soundly rejected an amendment Thursday from Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) supporting term limits on members of Congress.
DeMint's amendment would have expressed the non-binding sense of the Senate that the Constitution ought to be amended to place limits on how long members of Congress can serve. It was soundly rejected in a 24-75 vote.
"We must reassure Americans that we're here to serve them and not ourselves," DeMint said prior to the vote. "Congressmen and senators have lots of power... and unfortunately, we've seen that that power over a period of time creates more opportunity and temptation for us to benefit ourselves rather than our constituents.
"All of the cases of corruption and bribery that I've seen, unfortunately, come from more senior members," continued DeMint. "No offense to my senior members, please. But this is just one of many reasons why we should have term limits in Congress."
Assistant Majority Leader Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) struck a populist tone in arguing that it ought to be left to voters, not lawmakers, to decide how long each member serves.
"For some members of Congress, two years in office is too long and for some members of Congress, 20 years in office is not long enough," said Durbin, who is serving his third six-year term in the Senate. "Who should make that decision? The Constitution in its wisdom says the voters of America make that decision. Let's stand by that Constitution and its language and defeat this sense of the senate resolution."
The term-limit plan was offered as an amendment to the STOCK Act, legislation that would prohibit members of Congress from making financial moves based on non-public information that they obtain in the course of their work.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/208395-senate-rejects-amendment-recommending-congressional-term-limit-
Quote from: me on November 13, 2016, 05:29:50 PM
Isn't that what I said?????? http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/208395-senate-rejects-amendment-recommending-congressional-term-limit-
No one ever knows what you are trying to convey in your posts as you ramble from one subject to another.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 13, 2016, 05:56:16 PM
No one ever knows what you are trying to convey in your posts as you ramble from one subject to another.
Purple Lady, I really think she losing it. :yes: Maybe age is getting to her. :yes: Some years ago you could understand half of what she said, but :huh: I really can't understand anything. Maybe she has voices in her head. :gossip: :grin2:
Quote from: The Troll on November 13, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
Purple Lady, I really think she losing it. :yes: Maybe age is getting to her. :yes: Some years ago you could understand half of what she said, but :huh: I really can't understand anything. Maybe she has voices in her head. :gossip: :grin2:
I think you're senile and I just know you and PL are related somewhere along the line 'cause you sure are a lot alike.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
I think you're senile and I just know you and PL are related somewhere along the line 'cause you sure are a lot alike.
If I had to be on an island :island: with you :me: or Purple Lady and I have never seen her or talk face to face with her. :no: I would take her and give you the boat. :titanic: :grin2:
:'(
Quote from: me on November 13, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
I think you're senile and I just know you and PL are related somewhere along the line 'cause you sure are a lot alike.
No, stupid, I am not related to Troll and don't even know him except for on here. Being intelligent isn't a strong suit of yours is it?
Quote from: The Troll on November 13, 2016, 07:17:25 PM
If I had to be on an island :island: with you :me: or Purple Lady and I have never seen her or talk face to face with her. :no: I would take her and give you the boat. :titanic: :grin2:
Thank you, Troll! Actually, we would leave her the island and we would leave on the boat!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 13, 2016, 07:33:06 PM
Thank you, Troll! Actually, we would leave her the island and we would leave on the boat!
On the Titanic?!!! :o You got life preservers or a radio to call for help? :o That damn boat sank. :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on November 13, 2016, 07:41:27 PM
On the Titanic?!!! :o You got life preservers or a radio to call for help? :o That damn boat sank. :biggrin:
Hahahaha, yeah. Okay, we stay on the island and she leaves!
Quote from: Locutus on November 12, 2016, 06:36:43 PM
Snopes describes that website you cited as, "a disreputable outlet that has a penchant for publishing both fake news and spurious pro-Trump articles."
Ironic that the people who claim the "mainstream media" can't be trusted flock to these fake news websites. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 12, 2016, 06:51:14 PM
One more thing before more football. It's worrisome that so many people, like you, who are unfortunately allowed to vote, do so based on fake news, lies, suppositons, and downright ignorance.
Even worse, we let them breed! :eek:
Excuse me, but I think we KNOW where the "FAKE NEWS" was this election cycle.............it was every BUT FoxNews..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Things just couldn't get any better right now.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ........
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 14, 2016, 08:18:04 AM
Excuse me, but I think we KNOW where the "FAKE NEWS" was this election cycle.............it was every BUT FoxNews..... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Things just couldn't get any better right now.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ........
Well, hang on Bunky, you and your ilk have put the American middle class and the old people on the back of a tiger. Laugh your :mooning: ass off, because you're just one of the many small fish in the barrel and you have gave a crazy man the gun to shoot at us. :cowboy: :hunt: You really don't understand, do you. If it wasn't so serious I would laugh :haha: But I think in the end us small fish. :swim: :swim: :swim: :swim: :swim: we will end up crying. :cry: :cry: Especially the people who has paid into Medicare for years. :cry: :cry: :cry: Thanks ass hole. :kissit:
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I just heard the Paul Ryan said, doing away with Medicare won't effect the people all ready on it. :bliss: :bliss: :dance: It will effect the people coming on it. :cry: :cry: That mean you Bird Boy. :haha: :haha: :haha: You are one of the people who asked for this. :haha: How sweet it this, you will still be working when it goes in to effect. :kick: :haha: I just love :kiss: :sweetheart: :hug: this. :salute:
Quote from: The Troll on November 14, 2016, 12:07:11 PM
I just heard the Paul Ryan said, doing away with Medicare won't effect the people all ready on it. :bliss: :bliss: :dance: It will effect the people coming on it. :cry: :cry: That mean you Bird Boy. :haha: :haha: :haha: You are one of the people who asked for this. :haha: How sweet it this, you will still be working when it goes in to effect. :kick: :haha: I just love :kiss: :sweetheart: :hug: this. :salute:
I have no problem with it. I still have 10 more years to work, my kids are nearly grown up and I now have my finances in order....I am fortunate to have a great retirement in the position I am in along with profit sharing....now that the Repubs are in, I look forward to some record breaking profit sharing years to come...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 14, 2016, 01:43:52 PM
I have no problem with it. I still have 10 more years to work, my kids are nearly grown up and I now have my finances in order....I am fortunate to have a great retirement in the position I am in along with profit sharing....now that the Repubs are in, I look forward to some record breaking profit sharing years to come...
You want to make a bet on the last statement. :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on November 14, 2016, 02:35:33 PM
You want to make a bet on the last statement. :haha:
Keep on laughing ol man.......you don't exactly have a good track record with your predictions....:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 14, 2016, 02:49:17 PM
Keep on laughing ol man.......you don't exactly have a good track record with your predictions....:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
Until this voting fiasco or Charlie Foxtrot or circle fuck up. :biggrin: I had a perfect record compared to yours Beeky Boy. Go eat a worm. :haha:
So the conservatives are racist for feeling this way but the Libs aren't? :confused: Can't say this if fake since it's CNN and out of his own mouth. Was their rioting and protests because Clinton said this?
https://www.youtube.com/v/fS_nEjhRzAE
Quote from: me on November 15, 2016, 07:54:08 PM
So the conservatives are racist for feeling this way but the Libs aren't? :confused: Can't say this if fake since it's CNN and out of his own mouth. Was their rioting and protests because Clinton said this?
https://www.youtube.com/v/fS_nEjhRzAE
So what, who give a damn, shove it up your butt. Fat Ass! :mooning:
:choo: :choo: :choo: Do you know why Christy was fired from his job in Washington DC. :think: :whatever: :think: :whatever: He put Trump's son-in- law's dad in prison eleven years ago. :haha: :haha: Good old Karma. :biggrin:
Quote from: me on November 15, 2016, 07:54:08 PM
So the conservatives are racist for feeling this way but the Libs aren't? :confused: Can't say this if fake since it's CNN and out of his own mouth. Was their there rioting and protests because Clinton said this?
I'm sure it'll be lost on you but nowhere in that speech does he imply that the majority of immigrants from Mexico are criminals, rapists and drug traffickers. That's the difference and that's what makes Trump's statements racist and your failure to see it makes you one as well. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 16, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
I'm sure it'll be lost on you but nowhere in that speech does he imply that the majority of immigrants from Mexico are criminals, rapists and drug traffickers. That's the difference and that's what makes Trump's statements racist and your failure to see it makes you one as well. :rolleyes:
Thanks for correcting the wrong their/there for me, one of my pet peeves and I end up guilty of doing it...... :groan: :gha: As for the other he did not imply that the majority were criminals, rapists, or drug traffickers but indicated that a lot of them were which is true so that's still not racist.
Quote from: me on November 16, 2016, 08:22:38 AM
As for the other he did not imply that the majority were criminals, rapists, or drug traffickers but indicated that a lot of them were which is true so that's still not racist.
Oh, bullshit; he absolutely did. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 16, 2016, 09:32:32 AM
Oh, bullshit; he absolutely did. :rolleyes:
And they vote. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 16, 2016, 09:57:17 AM
And they vote. :rolleyes:
Have you seen anything like it.? :hogslop: Trump want him and his family to run his businesses, their's and the country from the top of Trump Tower. :wink: I sure sound crooked to me. :haha: :haha: Explain this Republicans. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on November 16, 2016, 09:57:17 AM
And they vote. :rolleyes:
Even worse, we let them breed so that their bloodlines continue to pollute the world long after they've taken their dirt nap.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 14, 2016, 01:43:52 PM
I have no problem with it. I still have 10 more years to work, my kids are nearly grown up and I now have my finances in order....I am fortunate to have a great retirement in the position I am in along with profit sharing....now that the Repubs are in, I look forward to some record breaking profit sharing years to come...
Did all your creditors know all about your claimed promotion and compensation or did you just pull a Drumpf on them?
Saw this on FB tonight. Seriously, how stupid are these Trump supporters? :icon_evil:
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:music1: oh it's sorta looks like Christmas. :music1: Everywhere you go. :music1: With a Trump in every store the sun will surly shine. :music1: and the children will surly sing. :music1:
Oh bull shit, you know this will be the last Christmas as we have known it, for the next 4 years. Trump :grinch: Pence :grinch: :wall2:
Dan Rather on the tweet Trump gave about the cast of Hamilton talking to Pence:
Bullies are often thin-skinned, quick to overreact when challenged, and undone when people are no longer afraid to speak truth to their face. Great presidents are almost always the opposite in all those categories.
Reflecting on Donald Trump's complete overreaction to a statement made at the end of a performance of Broadway's Hamilton: An American Musical, I couldn't help but think - doesn't this man have more important things to worry about? Hasn't the theater long been a stage for political art? And isn't this a man who broke so many norms as a candidate, insulted so many people - individually and as groups - that he now has the nerve to demand an apology when he never gave one himself?
I know there are many who say that this incident shouldn't be blown out of proportion. Yes, when compared to cabinet posts or paying out $25 million in a fraud case against "Trump University," a Tweet maybe might not seem that important. But being president is to have every word you utter scrutinized. And these words are intimidating and unfitting of the office of the presidency. But more importantly, they show a real weakness of vanity and small-mindedness that our enemies abroad will likely look to exploit. I can also imagine that Trump's political foes at home are noticing - once again - how easily he can be rattled.
I imagine this is not the last we will see of these kinds of incidents.
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Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2016, 07:56:22 PM
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He did not complain about it.
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Quote from: me on November 20, 2016, 08:03:02 PM
He did not complain about it.
His master did. . . :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2016, 08:03:55 PM
His master did. . . :yes:
Then you should retract that post, or at least correct it. Yes, Trump did complain and I don't agree with that in the least and he needs to butt out of it IMO. Pence said it was a very good play and encouraged people to go see it.
Quote from: me on November 20, 2016, 08:06:46 PM
Then you should retract that post, or at least correct it. Yes, Trump did complain and I don't agree with that in the least and he needs to butt out of it IMO. Pence said it was a very good play and encouraged people to go see it.
You sound more and more like the Trump every single day. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2016, 08:03:55 PM
His master did. . . :yes:
And did again today. "The cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated, should immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior". Does Trump have a clue as to what happened? Does he even talk to Pence?
Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2016, 08:03:30 PM
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:biggrin:
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 20, 2016, 08:30:15 PM
And did again today. "The cast and producers of Hamilton, which I hear is highly overrated, should immediately apologize to Mike Pence for their terrible behavior". Does Trump have a clue as to what happened? Does he even talk to Pence?
Pence is Trump's lap puppet and will do as he is instructed. Just like everyone that voted for them:
:kneel:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2016, 08:32:31 PM
Pence is Trump's lap puppet and will do as he is instructed. Just like everyone that voted for them:
:kneel:
:yes:
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Quote from: me on November 20, 2016, 08:06:46 PM
. . .Yes, Trump did complain and I don't agree with that in the least and he needs to butt out of it IMO. . . .
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This happens Jan.20,2017:
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Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
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:rotfl:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 20, 2016, 08:47:59 PM
This happens Jan.20,2017:
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Oh no, he didn't grab her by the pu$$y did he? :gha: The guy that was beat by Hillary by 1 and 1/2 million votes of the popular vote. :groan:
What do you Trumpanzees think of this billboard that was placed outside of Pearl, Mississippi? What message is being conveyed here?
(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161120211052-01-make-america-great-again-billboard-exlarge-169.jpeg)
Here's a closeup that makes it easier to see:
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Quote from: Locutus on November 21, 2016, 05:15:06 PM
What do you Trumpanzees think of this billboard that was placed outside of Pearl, Mississippi? What message is being conveyed here?
(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161120211052-01-make-america-great-again-billboard-exlarge-169.jpeg)
From CNN: "If people are talking about the billboard then it's working, said Eric Gottesman, co-founder of For Freedoms, an artist-run political action committee that uses visual media to inspire political engagement. The billboard is part of a national ad campaign that commissioned works from artists and photographers on topics from gun control to campaign finance for billboards, social media memes and public transit ads. There's no single goal or intent behind the Pearl billboard, he said. It's not irony or satire, anti-Trump or pro-Clinton. Using "Make America Great Again" was meant to prompt the question when was America great? he said. From there, he hopes it inspires conversation about the different ways the phrase can be interpreted beyond the campaign message.
"What we hear today in some political rhetoric is that making America great means enforcing a single vision on America," he said. "What we're trying to do is use art to provoke people to talk about these things and bring them to a different kind of conversation, one that goes beyond symbolic gestures of what America is supposed to stand for.""
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/us/mississippi-billboard-make-america-great-again/
No! Not a double entendre! ;D
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 21, 2016, 06:15:25 PMUsing "Make America Great Again" was meant to prompt the question when was America great? he said.
I'd still like the Trump people to answer the bold part above.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 21, 2016, 06:15:25 PM
Using "Make America Great Again" was meant to prompt the question when was America great? he said.
Quote from: Locutus on November 21, 2016, 06:47:46 PM
I'd still like the Trump people to answer the bold part above.
I don't think you're going to get an answer to this, Locutus.
Nope. ;D
Up until about 7 yrs ago.
Quote from: me on November 26, 2016, 02:28:37 PM
Up until about 7 yrs ago.
Translation: Until that damn nig*er got into the
White House. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on November 26, 2016, 05:01:27 PM
Translation: Until that damn nig*er got into the White House. :wink:
Your words, not mine. His color has nothing to do with my opinion of him in the area of his divisive rhetoric or politics. I would feel the same way if he were white which, as a matter of fact, he is in part.
Yet neither you, nor anyone else who makes that claim, can elucidate exactly what part of his politics are divisive.
That's the problem with this position that you repeatedly try to take around here.
Quote from: Locutus on November 26, 2016, 05:47:24 PM
Yet neither you, nor anyone else who makes that claim, can elucidate exactly what part of his politics are divisive.
That's the problem with this position that you repeatedly try to take around here.
His embracing BLM is one thing as well as his and Michelle's constantly preaching about white privelege and telling us we should be ashamed. Neither I nor my decendents owned slaves nor did a lot of whites own slaves and there were some blacks who did own slaves and it was blacks who sold other blacks to be brought over here to be used as slaves so they need to come down off that crap. His association with Wright and Farrakhan doesn't speak well either. Even blacks are beginning to see he has done nothing for them since he's been in office.
Quote from: me on November 26, 2016, 06:40:45 PM
His embracing BLM is one thing as well as his and Michelle's constantly preaching about white privelege and telling us we should be ashamed. Neither I nor my decendents owned slaves nor did a lot of whites own slaves and there were some blacks who did own slaves and it was blacks who sold other blacks to be brought over here to be used as slaves so they need to come down off that crap. His association with Wright and Farrakhan doesn't speak well either. Even blacks are beginning to see he has done nothing for them since he's been in office.
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Quote from: Palehorse on November 26, 2016, 08:37:03 PM
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:biggrin: That could be used on many more threads around here!
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 26, 2016, 08:40:41 PM
:biggrin: That could be used on many more threads around here!
2 is my limit. . . Then I have to find something else. . . :biggrin:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/donald-trump-voter-fraud-popular-vote/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/27/politics/donald-trump-voter-fraud-popular-vote/index.html)
Rump is whining about voter fraud concerning the popular vote now. . . :roll eyes:
The next 4 years are going to be ponderous! :mad:
But the dems are wanting a recount in some states and that would mean the absentee ballots would have to also be counted and those historically go mostly republican because a large number of them are military so he may well end up with the popular vote too if that happens.
It's not "the dems." :rolleyes:
You don't even get your current events right.
Quote from: Locutus on November 27, 2016, 08:05:57 PM
It's not "the dems." :rolleyes:
You don't even get your current events right.
Really??? Jill Stein may technically Green Party but some of the dems are wanting one too, or urging Clinton to ask for it.
http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/politics-government/article117235428.html
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/25/presidential-recount-jill-stein/94431136/
Quote from: me on November 27, 2016, 10:16:56 PM
Really??? Jill Stein may technically Green Party but some of the dems are wanting one too, or urging Clinton to ask for it.
http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/news/politics-government/article117235428.html
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/25/presidential-recount-jill-stein/94431136/
I'll let Ed respond to this one:
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Quote from: me on November 26, 2016, 06:40:45 PM
His embracing BLM is one thing as well as his and Michelle's constantly preaching about white privelege and telling us we should be ashamed. Neither I nor my decendents owned slaves nor did a lot of whites own slaves and there were some blacks who did own slaves and it was blacks who sold other blacks to be brought over here to be used as slaves so they need to come down off that crap. His association with Wright and Farrakhan doesn't speak well either. Even blacks are beginning to see he has done nothing for them since he's been in office.
This is almost word for word what every other bigot I know says. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 28, 2016, 08:40:57 AM
This is almost word for word what every other bigot I know says. :rolleyes:
Truth! ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on November 28, 2016, 08:40:57 AM
This is almost word for word what every other bigot I know says. :rolleyes:
So does that make the blacks who no longer care for him bigots also? Do you approve of Obama supporting those racist groups and people?
Quote from: me on November 28, 2016, 10:54:14 AM
So does that make the blacks who no longer care for him bigots also?
Who knows but the fact that you are is well established.
Quote from: me on November 28, 2016, 10:54:14 AM
So does that make the blacks who no longer care for him bigots also? Do you approve of Obama supporting those racist groups and people?
You think BLM is a racist group? I'd like to see some evidence offered up if that's the case.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 28, 2016, 10:57:28 AM
Who knows but the fact that you are is well established.
She's so blind, though, that she can't see the inherent racism in so many of the posts she makes around here.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 28, 2016, 10:57:28 AM
Who knows but the fact that you are is well established.
No, it is not. You know nothing about me and are simply saying what you've been programed to say when someone disagrees with you or the current administration. Answer my other question.
Do you approve of Obama supporting those racist groups and people?
Quote from: Locutus on November 28, 2016, 10:59:13 AM
You think BLM is a racist group? I'd like to see some evidence offered up if that's the case.
She won't because she can't.
Quote from: Locutus on November 28, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
She's so blind, though, that she can't see the inherent racism in so many of the posts she makes around here.
I think that she and people like her are simply cowards who are afraid to say in public the things I'm sure they do in private.
Quote from: me on November 28, 2016, 11:00:18 AM
No, it is not. You know nothing about me and are simply saying what you've been programed to say when someone disagrees with you or the current administration. Answer my other question.
Do you approve of Obama supporting those racist groups and people?
:doh: I will be so happy when you :me: can't blame the present administration for everything. :rant: You damn Republicans think it OBAMA's fault for everything wrong in this country. :yes: When in reality it is the Republicans in the House of Representives are the trouble and the trouble makers.. :trustme:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 28, 2016, 11:24:40 AM
I think that she and people like her are simply cowards who are afraid to say in public the things I'm sure they do in private.
Answer my other question.
Do you approve of Obama supporting those racist groups and people?
https://www.youtube.com/v/6fPGPTl0ipo
Quote from: me on November 28, 2016, 02:09:20 PM
Answer my other question.
Do you approve of Obama supporting those racist groups and people?
https://www.youtube.com/v/6fPGPTl0ipo
BLM isn't a racist group.
Only a racist would think so. :wink:
Capiche?
Quote from: Locutus on November 28, 2016, 02:32:01 PM
BLM isn't a racist group.
Only a racist would think so. :wink:
Capiche?
So, calling for the killing of white people isn't racist? Did you watch the video? No, it's not FOX it's CNN.
Quote from: me on November 28, 2016, 02:42:06 PM
So, calling for the killing of white people isn't racist? Did you watch the video? No, it's not FOX it's CNN.
The leaders of BLM don't condone violence, nor do they condone the killing of police officers and white people. Only racists like you think that they do.
Quote from: Locutus on November 28, 2016, 02:50:12 PM
The leaders of BLM don't condone violence, nor do they condone the killing of police officers and white people. Only racists like you think that they do.
I am not a racist and I'd appreciate it if you would quit calling me one. Won't divulge much of my life on here but if you actually knew me you'd know better.
Quote from: me on November 28, 2016, 03:15:35 PM
I am not a racist and I'd appreciate it if you would quit calling me one. Won't divulge much of my life on here but if you actually knew me you'd know better.
Your own words speak more about you than perhaps you realize.
Quote from: me on November 28, 2016, 03:15:35 PM
I am not a racist and I'd appreciate it if you would quit calling me one. Won't divulge much of my life on here but if you actually knew me you'd know better.
:huh1:
Quote from: Locutus on November 28, 2016, 03:31:03 PM
Your own words speak more about you than perhaps you realize.
Only because you've been programed to think that way by the media and our current administration.
Sad thing is, the left is trying to pretend all the stupid people are on the right and all the poor people, as well. It's just not true. As to racists, I think the Clintons' Crime Bill pretty much showed their racism....and connection to Reagan getting rid of all things FDR.
(https://scontent.fphl2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15203297_1302498923135966_7699712634820148030_n.jpg?oh=995b43dd8cea96af09291c86ac3573ec&oe=58CB514D)
Quote from: me on November 28, 2016, 03:15:35 PM
I am not a racist and I'd appreciate it if you would quit calling me one. Won't divulge much of my life on here but if you actually knew me you'd know better.
Bullshit.
Quote from: Locutus on November 28, 2016, 03:31:03 PM
Your own words speak more about you than perhaps you realize.
Exactly.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 28, 2016, 06:53:17 PM
Sad thing is, the left is trying to pretend all the stupid people are on the right and all the poor people, as well. It's just not true. As to racists, I think the Clintons' Crime Bill pretty much showed their racism....and connection to Reagan getting rid of all things FDR.
Irony alert! :biggrin:
From my point of view ya'll are the racist ones because you keep pointing out the difference. I suppose because I didn't vote for old Hill or agree with her I hate women too.
I think you've clearly shown that most of your opinions and feelings aren't supported by facts. ;D
Quote from: me on November 29, 2016, 11:21:27 AM
From my point of view ya'll are the racist ones because you keep pointing out the difference.
So if you were part of a group lynching a person of color and people called you racist, they would actually be racist? Yeah, that makes perfect sense, whack job. :rolleyes:
Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail! -- Donald Trump
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 29, 2016, 12:10:42 PM
Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail! -- Donald Trump
:rolleyes:
Apparently walking on the Constitution is perfectly acceptable, however.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 29, 2016, 12:38:42 PM
Apparently walking on the Constitution is perfectly acceptable, however.
He's a fucking idiot. I hope his supporters are proud of what they've given the country.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 29, 2016, 11:35:24 AM
So if you were part of a group lynching a person of color and people called you racist, they would actually be racist? Yeah, that makes perfect sense, whack job. :rolleyes:
You are truly a dumbass.
Quote from: me on November 29, 2016, 02:02:56 PM
You are truly a dumbass.
Me being a dumbass by pointing out how ridiculous your statement was is almost as stupid as me being a racist by calling you out on your obvious bigotry.
So here's the list of items the Hypocrite Party turned their heads to during the 2016 POTUS election:
Russian interference - no problem
Campaign infractions - no problem
Confessed to sexual assault - no problem
Ran the Birther movement - no problem
Said he'd lock up Hillary - no problem
Endorsed by the KKK - no problem
Endorsed by American Nazi party - no problem
Makes fun of the Handicapped- no problem
Openly racist - no problem
Many failed businesses - no problem
No tax returns - no problem
Doesn't pay taxes - no problem
Wants to register Muslims in the US - no problem
Rips off veterans - no problem
Uses his foundation to pay fines - no problem
Bribes to avoid prosecution- no problem
Many lawsuits pending - no problem
Rips off contractors - no problem
Outsources all his hotel stuff - no problem
Employs immigrant labor - no problem
Chinese steel in construction - no problem
US banks have blacklisted him - no problem
Debt carried by Russian mafia - no problem
Wants to weaken NATO - no problem
His wife worked in the US illegally - no problem
Twitter tantrums at the drop of a hat - no problem
Settles lawsuit but admits no guilt - no problem
Wants to violate the constitutionally protected rights of flag burners by taking away their citizenship- no problem
We'll see how this plays out. . . :rolleyes: :icon_evil:
Guys hang on to your pants and you women don't let you panties bunch up and please sit down.
Danny Boy Quayle the other vice president from Indiana was seen going into Trump Tower. :haha:
OMG the son of a bitch is surly draining the swamp by bringing Danny Boy Quayle back to life. :groan:
I thought that :hogslop: Trump couldn't out do himself bringing Dan Quayle to Trump Tower. :haha: But CNBC is reporting that :hogslop: Trump is considering Sarah Palin as the head of the VA. :ouch: :waaa: :huh1: OMG WTF :doh:
Quote from: Locutus on November 29, 2016, 12:44:34 PM
He's a fucking idiot. I hope his supporters are proud of what they've given the country.
How is he the only one who did this? You guys act as though this only happened now...NEVER before has this occurred...JUST now....
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 30, 2016, 08:53:39 PM
How is he the only one who did this? You guys act as though this only happened now...NEVER before has this occurred...JUST now....
I don't understand what you mean. The only one who did what?
Trump hasn't brought any jobs back to America. :rant: But Pence just gave Carrier $700,000 of Indiana taxpayer money, to keep the 1,000 jobs here in Indiana. :rant: That's $700 for every job. :yes: Just how long will that keep Carrier in Indiana when they can pay $5.00 per for Mexican labor instead of $25.00 per hour for American workers. :sneaky: :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on December 01, 2016, 11:22:47 AM
Trump hasn't brought any jobs back to America. :rant: But Pence just gave Carrier $700,000 of Indiana taxpayer money, to keep the 1,000 jobs here in Indiana. :rant: That's $700 for every job. :yes: Just how long will that keep Carrier in Indiana when they can pay $5.00 per for Mexican labor instead of $25.00 per hour for American workers. :sneaky: :rant:
When you add in the $7 million in tax breaks Indiana is giving Carrier, the total is more like $9,000 per job per year or $750.00 per person per month that this costs taxpayers. How is this not welfare?
Quote from: Exterminator on December 01, 2016, 01:07:29 PM
When you add in the $7 million in tax breaks Indiana is giving Carrier, the total is more like $9,000 per job per year or $750.00 per person per month that this costs taxpayers. How is this not welfare?
There's an article in Indy Star stating that it was federal access of the parent company - United Technologies - that most likely swung this deal. As always, the devil is in the details on something like this, but according to that article, United Technologies receives about $5.6 billion a year in federal money, or about 10 percent of its overall revenue. That's a lot of money.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/30/federal-contracts-likely-biggest-factor-carrier-deal/94670496/
:wait: Hey wait a :@#%&: a god damn minute. :dam: What about the 700 jobs in Huntington, Indiana that
Carrier's parent company is shutting down. :rant: The people there made controls for the products that the plant in Indianapolis makes. :dam:
Let's see, $7,000,000 Indiana taxpayer cash for Carrier to save a 1,000 jobs, yet 1,400 jobs plus the 700 jobs, in Huntington (total 2,100 jobs) are still going to Mexico. :rant:
OMG, that :hogslop: Donald Trump sure can make a good deal for Carrier. Aren't you glad he's working for us here in the United States. :haha: :haha: :haha: WTF. :doh: I'll bet you won't see this on Fox News. :haha: :haha: It would be funny if it wasn't true. :cry: :cry: :4th3:
Quote from: Locutus on December 01, 2016, 01:11:50 PM
There's an article in Indy Star stating that it was federal access of the parent company - United Technologies - that most likely swung this deal. As always, the devil is in the details on something like this, but according to that article, United Technologies receives about $5.6 billion a year in federal money, or about 10 percent of its overall revenue. That's a lot of money.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/30/federal-contracts-likely-biggest-factor-carrier-deal/94670496/
Yup. The federal contracts of UT played a huge roll in the leverage utilized to keep that plant open; but it did nothing for the 1100 other jobs leaving the state for Mexico due to additional plant closures initiated by Carrier. And one has to wonder just how much more of our tax dollars are going to be spent providing sweetheart deals to corporate entities in an effort to bribe them to stay here in this country.
And speaking of taxes, the Raging Cheeto spoke about how "America is the highest taxed nation in the world", but he wasn't talking about you or me. He was talking about corporate Amerika and claiming we are taxing them out of the country. . .
A study conducted this year by Price Waterhouse and the World Bank says otherwise, in fact after developing a formula to come up with a total tax rate, (which includes not only income taxes but also labor taxes, property taxes, profit taxes, etc.), for 189 different countries around the world. The US came in at 43.9%, well below the 2 countries the Raging Cheeto claims this nation is losing to. (China at 67.8% and Mexico at 51.7%) Moreover the US ranked 64th from the top in taxation world-wide.
When looking at the actual tax burdens of corporations operating within the US and taxed here, the US comes in far from the top compared to the 33 other industrialized nations in the world.
Revenue % of GDP Corp Tax Rev % of GDP Tax Rev Per Capita
1. Denmark 50.9% 1. Norway 7.1% 1. Luxembourg $49,911
2. France 45.2% 2. New Zealand 4.4% 2. Norway $38,019
3. Belgium 44.7% 3. Luxembourg 4.3% 3. Denmark $31,054
31. US 26.0% 17. US 2.6% 19. US $14,204So again, we see the Raging Cheeto running off at the mouth, pulling facts out of his sphincter, and expecting the masses to bow and accept what he is saying as fact, when in fact it is fiction.
So why are corporations running for the boarder?
Pretty simple really, labor costs. Decades of LEAN and 6-Sigma initiatives have squeezed every bit of the low hanging fruit from the processes within manufacturing in this nation. Japan may have "created" the first processes utilizing such methodologies but the US has made great strides itself. The drive toward increasing the bottom line demands annual savings be achieved each and every year, so leaderships goals always have a growing weight attached toward the achievement of cost savings as a means to fatten the bottom line. Failure to achieve it means loss of bonus and decreased or elimination of salary increases to those high in the food chain.
The achievement of further efficiencies require automation and huge capital investments which corporate purse string holders aren't going for. That reduces profit levels and makes the investors unhappy. Find something else, something easier.
Labor is always the first thing looked at and when you are comparing hourly wages that once, (and in some ever shrinking number of cases still are), hovered around $25/hr to wages of $5/hr or less in Mexico, and then factor in the benefits rates in the US vs NO benefits in Mexico, it doesn't take long for the bean counters to start raising the lets move flag and gaining a lot of support for it.
The fact that trade agreements like NAFTA facilitates things to move that way by eliminating or substantially reducing import taxation of products built outside of this country and brought into it only exacerbates the situation. (On this front I have to admit to the sole point of agreement I can find in the Raging Cheeto's stated game plan. Impose import tax rates on companies that leave the US and import their products here).
Willie G. Davidson petitioned President Ronald Reagan to impose an import tax on Japanese motorcycles, when he and a consortium of employees bought the company back from AMF and discovered that they could not compete with the lower price tags on the imported products. Even though their quality bugs had been worked out and the newly designed lineup of HD Bikes were comparable to the imported bikes, HD could not make them any cheaper without severely cutting labor and operational costs to the point where they wouldn't be able to keep workers in the plants. Ronnie agreed to do it for 5 years, and imposed the import tax on the Japanese bikes. And halfway through the 5 year period Willie went back to him and told him to remove it; "We've got it from here".
It had taken 2.5 years for Americans to slowly realize that they could buy an American made bike for the same price or cheaper than a similarly powered Japanese bike; and once they did they converted in droves and haven't looked back.
It is just like Ross said during his run for POTUS back in the day when NAFTA was first being talked about and considered, "That giant sucking sound you hear will be US jobs leaving this country if this agreement is passed." He was not wrong.
How we go about getting them back is another animal entirely, and I am not sure the Raging Cheeto is the answer given his proclivity for pulling facts out of his sphincter!
Quote from: Palehorse on December 01, 2016, 07:30:50 PM
Yup. The federal contracts of UT played a huge roll in the leverage utilized to keep that plant open; but it did nothing for the 1100 other jobs leaving the state for Mexico..........
Thanks for all that information, Palehorse. Were you a reference librarian at some point in your life? Or a past life? :laugh:
Quote from: AbbyTC on December 01, 2016, 07:43:26 PM
Thanks for all that information, Palehorse. Were you a reference librarian at some point in your life? Or a past life? :laugh:
No. But I do live down the road from a Holiday Inn Express! :big grin:
Actually, a lot of my post is information I accessed doing research for something else, or is based upon my actual professional experience and education during my very diverse career.
My formative years did indeed find me within the confines of libraries quite often in order to do research on one subject or another. I had a hard time transitioning to electronic research once I returned to higher educational aspirations years ago. But I endured and can hold my own most times.
I have an ever growing personal reference library of hard cover texts, quotational compendiums, and reference books that I accumulated throughout my college courses; and that I continue to accumulate via book sales, rummage sales, etc. . . Electronic is good, don't get me wrong, but I am more than a bit "old school" and electronic research just cannot hold a candle to good old bound paper and ink.
Our book cases are in the loft and I get a fair amount of exercise at times due to my obsession with going to the books to reconfirm my thoughts or develop facts to support my thoughts. 13 steps up and down each time. Who needs a gym? :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 01, 2016, 08:04:27 PM
No. But I do live down the road from a Holiday Inn Express! :big grin:
Actually, a lot of my post is information I accessed doing research for something else, or is based upon my actual professional experience and education during my very diverse career.
My formative years did indeed find me within the confines of libraries quite often in order to do research on one subject or another. I had a hard time transitioning to electronic research once I returned to higher educational aspirations years ago. But I endured and can hold my own most times.
I have an ever growing personal reference library of hard cover texts, quotational compendiums, and reference books that I accumulated throughout my college courses; and that I continue to accumulate via book sales, rummage sales, etc. . . Electronic is good, don't get me wrong, but I am more than a bit "old school" and electronic research just cannot hold a candle to good old bound paper and ink.
Our book cases are in the loft and I get a fair amount of exercise at times due to my obsession with going to the books to reconfirm my thoughts or develop facts to support my thoughts. 13 steps up and down each time. Who needs a gym? :biggrin:
You get to exercise your brain and your body! ;D That's wonderful.
I've always liked looking stuff up, but being from an evangelical fundie background, asking too much and searching too much was frowned upon, especially if it went against the bible. I'm free from that now and love to hear differing opinions (when fact based) and read about different ideas from mine. I think that's why I love working in the library so much. When I need a break, sometimes I'll go over to the non-fiction section and straighten up the shelves so I can check out the books and discover something new. I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to do that in the last few weeks.
Every time I read a story about Carrier the number of jobs saved gets lower. First it was over 1,000 jobs, then it was almost 1,000, then it was 850, then it was nearly 800 and now it's down to 730. Wonder when the downward spiral will stop?
And how much is this inane "victory tour" costing taxpayers? :mad:
Did you go see him and Pence yesterday? :razz: ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on December 02, 2016, 09:42:08 AM
And how much is this inane "victory tour" costing taxpayers? :mad:
I do believe Trump is paying for it. Strange you don't bitch about Obama's little trips which are costing the taxpayer's a lot of money.
Quote from: me on December 02, 2016, 10:26:29 AM
I do believe Trump is paying for it.
He's paying for all of the extra security and the advance teams that have to clear these places and the extra Secret Service details? Bullshit!
QuoteStrange you don't bitch about Obama's little trips which are costing the taxpayer's a lot of money.
No but you did and now it's your turn to have it shoved down your throat so STFU!
Funny thing about Trump is that he criticized Hillary Clinton relentlessly, and called her unfit, because she made a speech to Goldman Sachs, and furthermore said that Goldman Sachs robbed the working class in this country. Then he actually appoints someone from Goldman Sachs, Steven Mnuchin, to run the fucking economy.
Yet his supporters don't even bat an eyelash at that. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 02, 2016, 12:07:36 PM
Funny thing about Trump is that he criticized Hillary Clinton relentlessly, and called her unfit, because she made a speech to Goldman Sachs, and furthermore said that Goldman Sachs robbed the working class in this country. Then he actually appoints someone from Goldman Sachs, Steven Mnuchin, to run the fucking economy.
Yet his supporters don't even bat an eyelash at that. :rolleyes:
Because they're too stupid to even understand what it means.
Quote from: Locutus on December 02, 2016, 12:07:36 PM
Funny thing about Trump is that he criticized Hillary Clinton relentlessly, and called her unfit, because she made a speech to Goldman Sachs, and furthermore said that Goldman Sachs robbed the working class in this country. Then he actually appoints someone from Goldman Sachs, Steven Mnuchin, to run the fucking economy.
Yet his supporters don't even bat an eyelash at that. :rolleyes:
:mad: :mad: :mad:
I absolutely cannot wait to hear the caterwauling that arises once these people get into office and start implementing their agenda. 99% of those voting them into power will be negatively impacted by their policies and legislation; some portion of them will be left destitute and without means to feed, clothe , and house themselves and their families.
When that happens I am just going to sit back and think to myself, "See! You wouldn't listen to reason." :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 02, 2016, 12:23:50 PM
Because they're too stupid to even understand what it means.
Indeed! :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 02, 2016, 12:26:10 PM
:mad: :mad: :mad:
I absolutely cannot wait to hear the caterwauling that arises once these people get into office and start implementing their agenda. 99% of those voting them into power will be negatively impacted by their policies and legislation; some portion of them will be left destitute and without means to feed, clothe , and house themselves and their families.
When that happens I am just going to sit back and think to myself, "See! You wouldn't listen to reason." :yes:
They deserve everything they're going to get. Even now, they can't figure out they've been lied to for the past year.
Quote from: Locutus on December 02, 2016, 12:42:41 PM
They deserve everything they're going to get.
They absolutely do!
QuoteEven now, they can't figure out they've been lied to for the past year.
Nor have they asked themselves how he's going to pay for all of the things he continues to promise!
Quote from: Exterminator on December 02, 2016, 01:29:36 PM
Nor have they asked themselves how he's going to pay for all of the things he continues to promise!
I don't think they care.
Quote from: Locutus on December 02, 2016, 01:32:19 PM
I don't think they care.
They don't. They just got all frothy over the darkie in the white house and can see nothing else short of getting him out of there. :rolleyes: :mad:
Classic bait and switch scam run on the masses. :yes:
How many deals can America stand giving an American Corporation 7 Million Dollars to keep a 1000 jobs and still let that corporation move 1400 jobs out of the country. WTF Trump. :angry:
Trump is showing his ignorance :spooked: of protocol, of what it means to be POTUS, by not only refusing to sit in on daily security briefings but also calling and/or taking calls from foreign leaders, specifically Chinese and Philippine but perhaps others, and then bragging about it on Twitter. While the current President still sits in the Oval Office.
Regarding what I wrote above, here is today's Washington Post headline story of what has been/is going on with Donald Trump as he excitedly plans his fiefdom:
Trump Speaks With Taiwan's President In Major Break With US Policy On China
World | Anne Gearan, The Washington Post | Updated: December 03, 2016 11:57 IST
HIGHLIGHTS
Taiwanese president calls Mr Trump, discusses economic and political ties
First known contact between US and Taiwan since ties ended in 1979
China considers Taiwan a province, move likely to anger China
President-elect Donald Trump spoke Friday with Taiwan's president, a major departure from decades of U.S. policy in Asia and a breach of diplomatic protocol with ramifications for the incoming president's relations with China.
The call is the first known contact between a U.S. president or president-elect with a Taiwanese leader since before the United States broke diplomatic relations with the island in 1979. China considers Taiwan a province, and news of the official outreach by Trump is likely to infuriate the regional military and economic power.
The exchange is one of a string of unorthodox conversations with foreign leaders that Trump has held since his election. It comes at a particularly tense time between China and Taiwan, which earlier this year elected a president, Tsai Ing-wen, who has not endorsed the notion of a unified China. Her election angered Beijing to the point of cutting off all official communication with the island government.
It is not clear whether Trump intends a more formal shift in U.S. relations with Taiwan or China. On the call, Trump and Tsai congratulated each other on winning their elections, a statement from Trump's transition office said.
"During the discussion, they noted the close economic, political, and security ties . . . between Taiwan and the United States," the statement said.
A statement from the Taiwanese president's office said the call lasted more than 10 minutes and included discussion of economic development and national security, and about "strengthening bilateral relations."
Tsai expressed admiration for Trump's success in a highly competitive election, the statement said.
The Trump-Tsai conversation was first reported by the Financial Times and the Taipei Times.
Ned Price, a White House spokesman, declined to comment on reports that Beijing contacted the White House on Friday. Price emphasized: "There is no change to our long-standing policy on cross-Strait issues. We remain firmly committed to our 'One China' policy based on the three Joint Communiques and the Taiwan Relations Act. Our fundamental interest is in peaceful and stable cross-Strait relations."
Asked about Trump's call during a conference on international affairs in Beijing early Saturday, China's foreign minister, Wang Yi, called it a "small action" that "cannot change China's standing in international society."
The breach of protocol will "not change the One China policy that the U.S. government has supported for many years," he said. "The One China principle is the foundation for healthy development of Sino-U.S. relations. We don't wish for anything to obstruct or ruin this foundation."
The president-elect tweeted out Friday evening, "The president of Taiwan CALLED ME today to wish me congratulations on winning the Presidency."
Later, Trump sent another tweet, apparently in response to criticism of the Taiwan call as potentially reckless: "Interesting how the U.S. sells Taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment but I should not accept a congratulatory call."
A senior adviser to Trump suggested that he knew about the long-standing U.S. policy toward Taiwan when the call occurred.
"He's well aware of what U.S. policy has been," Kellyanne Conway said in an interview with CNN on Friday night.
Conway bristled when asked whether Trump was properly briefed before the call on the government's long-standing policy, questioning why President Barack Obama did not receive similar queries about his knowledge of foreign affairs.
"President-elect Trump is fully briefed and fully knowledgeable about these issues . . . regardless of who's on the other end of the phone," she said.
Ric Grenell, a former George W. Bush administration spokesman at the United Nations, who was spotted visiting with Trump transition team officials at Trump Tower on Friday, said the president-elect's call was planned in advance and that Trump took the call on purpose.
"It was totally planned," Grenell said. "It was a simple courtesy call. People need to calm down. The 'One China' policy wasn't changed. Washington, D.C., types need to lighten up."
The United States has pursued the "One China" policy since 1972, when then-President Richard M. Nixon visited China. In 1978, President Jimmy Carter recognized Beijing as the legitimate government of China, and Washington closed its embassy in Taiwan a year later. A deliberately ambiguous relationship between Washington and Taiwan has existed since.
China guards the structures of its formal relationship with the United States very carefully - especially the founding document that established the One China policy. U.S. officials typically tiptoe around any mention of Taiwan or the Chinese goal of full reunification.
"This phone call calls into question whether or not Trump adheres to the basic foundation of the U.S.-China relationship," said Evan Medeiros, a former top China adviser to President Obama who is now an adviser at the Eurasia Group. "This action guarantees that U.S.-China relations under Trump will get off to a very rocky start."
Trump's growing team of national-security and foreign-policy advisers includes several people who have been strong supporters of Taiwan in Republican administrations. They include Stephen Yates, deputy national security adviser under Vice President Richard Cheney, who was reported to be visiting Taiwan when the call occurred.
Trump apparently considered hotel investments in Taiwan earlier this year. The mayor of Taoyuan said last month that a representative from the Trump Organization had visited and was interested in constructing hotels in the northwestern Taiwanese city, according to China Times. Trump has said he will separate himself from his businesses before he is inaugurated.
In recent years, in the face of Taiwan's waning economic power and decreasing international recognition as a separate entity from mainland China, Taiwanese diplomatic representatives in Washington have been trying to raise their stature. They have courted government officials and journalists with Taiwanese film screenings, expensive soirees and other cultural events around town.
For years it has looked like a losing battle. But the Trump call could constitute a major and unexpected coup for Taiwan's new administration by showing the island's continued relevance.
Michael Green, a senior Asia adviser to Bush, said the call will not necessarily lead to lasting bad blood with China.
"Taiwan is a very good friend, and it is good to let the world know that," Green said, adding, "The president-elect's phone call may have been unconventional, but it's not completely unprecedented."
President Ronald Reagan infuriated the Chinese by inviting a Taiwanese delegation to his inaugural ball, and his administration included a long-running tussle over whether to "re-prioritize Taiwan," Green said.
Bush caused a kerfuffle when he suggested the United States might defend Taiwan militarily, but that, too, blew over, Green noted.
Republican reaction was mostly cautious but approving.
"America's policy toward Taiwan is governed by the Taiwan Relations Act, under which we maintain close ties with Taiwan and support its democratic system," said Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark. "I commend President-elect Trump for his conversation with President Tsai Ing-wen, which reaffirms our commitment to the only democracy on Chinese soil."
The Democratic National Committee said the call may mean the businessman is "prioritizing his personal fortune over the security interests of the nation."
"Donald Trump is either too incompetent to understand that his foolish phone call threatens our national security, or he's doing it deliberately because he reportedly wants to build hotels in Taiwan to pad his own pockets," said DNC spokesman Eric Walker.
Earlier Friday, Trump reportedly extended an invitation for Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte to visit the United States next year. That would mark a startling turnabout for a foreign leader who famously called Obama a "son of a whore."
Trump transition officials confirmed the Duterte call but did not say whether Trump had issued the invitation.
Perhaps not surprisingly, the mold-breaking Republican has infused the usually banal routine of congratulatory calls from foreign leaders with drama.
Most of the more than 50 calls held by Trump or Vice President-elect Mike Pence came without the knowledge or guidance of the State Department. That means no government talking points about issues of particular importance - or land mines to avoid.
"We stand by to assist and facilitate and support communication that the transition team is having with foreign leaders," State Department spokesman John Kirby said Friday.
The calls have appeared haphazard and out of order - Russia and Ireland before close ally Britain, for example - and the conversations have a casual tone that the British press sniffed is "un-presidential."
Some calls, as described by Trump aides or the other country, have elicited a raised eyebrow or two.
There was Trump's offhand suggestion to British Prime Minister Theresa May to "let me know" if she happened to be coming to town. A state visit typically takes months of planning and involves a numbing amount of diplomatic protocol of the who-sits-where variety.
And there was the conversation with Russian President Vladimir Putin in which the two agreed, according to the Kremlin, "on the absolutely unsatisfactory state of bilateral relations" and committed to "normalize" the relationship. The United States and Russia maintain cordial official ties - Secretary of State John Kerry met with the Russian foreign minister Friday - but both countries have accused the other of meddling.
Some Trump communications have yielded questions and worries among U.S. diplomats and foreign powers, most notably a call Wednesday between Trump and Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.
A vivid account of the conversation released by Pakistan has Trump heaping praise on Sharif as "a terrific guy" and Pakistanis as "one of the most intelligent people."
The United States - and Trump when he was a candidate - have said Pakistan has not done enough to combat terrorism, and the majority-Muslim country would be heavily affected by Trump's proposed restrictions on Muslim immigration.
Nonetheless, when Sharif invited him to visit Pakistan, Trump replied that he would "love to come to a fantastic country, fantastic place of fantastic people," the Pakistani statement said.
A Trump statement came with no such color, but transition officials did not disavow the quotes.
Most disturbing to diplomats in the United States and elsewhere was the Pakistani account of Trump pledging partnership that could suggest favoritism in Pakistan's eternal - and nuclear armed - rivalry with India.
Trump told Sharif he would "play any role you want me to play to address and find solutions to the country's problems," according to the Pakistani account.
China, North Korea and Russia, as well as India, are likely to take note of that, diplomats said.
"The one thing you learn is, you've got to be very careful what you say because everything you say or tweet matters," said William Danvers, a former senior official in the Obama State Department, Pentagon and CIA.
"You have a grace period when you're president and you deserve it, but it's mostly a domestic grace period," Danvers said. "It's not as if Kim Jong Un is going to say, 'Oh you just became president, so I'll hold off on my missile test.' It kind of makes us look like we don't know what we're doing."
As for Duterte, who had announced a public "breakup" with the United States before the election, the State Department's Kirby said little.
"I don't know of any specific support that was provided for that call," he said. "Our job is to make sure they know we are a ready resource. How they make decisions and how they conduct dialogue and communication with foreign leaders is really for them to decide."
Trump communications director Jason Miller told reporters Friday that the calls are not off the cuff.
Trump and Pence "are briefed in advance of their calls, obviously working with the teams that we have put together," Miller said before news of the Duterte call had broken.
White House press secretary Josh Earnest urged Trump to take advantage of diplomatic know-how as he contacts foreign leaders ahead of his inauguration in January.
"I'm confident that as President-elect Trump takes office, those same State Department employees will stand ready to offer him advice as he conducts the business of the United States overseas," Earnest said. "Hopefully he'll take it."
Trump's outreach to Duterte could echo Obama's election pledge to try to talk to adversaries, although Trump has denounced Obama's main claims to success in that effort - openings to Iran and Cuba.
Obama presided over a reversal of the U.S. relationship with the Philippines and its new leader. Duterte's denunciations of the longtime alliance between the two nations and personal insults of Obama prompted the president to cancel a planned meeting with Duterte in China in September.
Duterte has said U.S. troops should leave his country within two years. He also cozied up to Chinese President Xi Jinping, alarming the Obama administration, which had backed the Philippines' challenge at an international tribunal last summer over China's maritime claims in waters used by Filipino fishermen. The tribunal ruled against China, but Duterte has signaled a willingness to negotiate a deal with Beijing that could allow the Chinese navy to remain in control of the region.
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Quote from: libby on December 03, 2016, 08:06:52 AM
Regarding what I wrote above, here is today's Washington Post headline story of what has been/is going on with Donald Trump as he excitedly plans his fiefdom:
. . .
The man is a diplomacy Neanderthal!
For all of the caterwauling let loose over the sitting POTUS surrounding an alleged lack of diplomacy, where in the hell is that concern
now?
The ironic thing is all of those allegations spewed toward President Obama are now going to become reality with the Raging Cheeto. No doubt about it. The world powers are going to clearly be spoiling for a fight in January, with the United States squarely in their sights. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 03, 2016, 10:15:06 AM
The man is a diplomacy Neanderthal!
For all of the caterwauling let loose over the sitting POTUS surrounding an alleged lack of diplomacy, where in the hell is that concern now?
The ironic thing is all of those allegations spewed toward President Obama are now going to become reality with the Raging Cheeto. No doubt about it. The world powers are going to clearly be spoiling for a fight in January, with the United States squarely in their sights. :mad: :mad: :mad:
The anti-intellectualism that characterizes America today could probably be considered a national crisis. It's definitely a national embarrassment, and Trump and his supporters epitomize it. :mad:
I see nothing new here in Trump. Bush catered to the Saudis and Israel on their desires for war with the Shiites and killed and wounded thousands of Americans to do it. Obama is catering to the MIC with the excessive use of drones on 7 different wars now.
They all sold out to the highest bidder. The fact that Trump is open about it just makes it more apparent now...but Trump isn't the end...he's the revelation.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 04, 2016, 06:28:41 PM
I see nothing new here in Trump. Bush catered to the Saudis and Israel on their desires for war with the Shiites and killed and wounded thousands of Americans to do it. Obama is catering to the MIC with the excessive use of drones on 7 different wars now.
They all sold out to the highest bidder. The fact that Trump is open about it just makes it more apparent now...but Trump isn't the end...he's the revelation.
Change is what you Trumpanzee's were hawking pre-election, and now that the Raging Cheeto is in it's business as usual on steroids. (Before he even takes the reins of power). :mad:
Obama did not start the wars, but he is doing a good job of minimizing the exposure of our sons and daughters to the dangers of war via the use of those drones. The Raging Cheeto is already hard at work starting his own wars; and he isn't even in the office yet.
Save your pennies. You're going to be needing them when the Raging Cheeto and his henchmen get out the machetes and start hacking. . . :yes:
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 04, 2016, 06:28:41 PM
I see nothing new here in Trump. Bush catered to the Saudis and Israel on their desires for war with the Shiites and killed and wounded thousands of Americans to do it. Obama is catering to the MIC with the excessive use of drones on 7 different wars now.
They all sold out to the highest bidder. The fact that Trump is open about it just makes it more apparent now...but Trump isn't the end...he's the revelation.
Nothing new in Trump ? :eek: It's almost midnight and I want to go to bed and listen to the rain on the roof, so will postpone any comments I might have made for another time.
Donald Trump hasn't even taken office yet, (http://circa.com/world/economics-business/trump-hasnt-taken-office-yet-but-hes-probably-had-an-impact-on-your-finances) but the president-elect has probably had an impact on your money.
In the weeks since the American presidential election, the U.S. stock market has rallied some 3 percent, global markets have seen some gains and your 401(k) is probably looking pretty good.
The Dow Jones surged past the 19,000 milestone for the first time in its 120-year history in a post-election rally.
Just sayin..
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 05, 2016, 10:53:39 AM
Donald Trump hasn't even taken office yet, (http://circa.com/world/economics-business/trump-hasnt-taken-office-yet-but-hes-probably-had-an-impact-on-your-finances) but the president-elect has probably had an impact on your money.
In the weeks since the American presidential election, the U.S. stock market has rallied some 3 percent, global markets have seen some gains and your 401(k) is probably looking pretty good.
The Dow Jones surged past the 19,000 milestone for the first time in its 120-year history in a post-election rally.
Just sayin..
Hey "Just Sayin..." What do you think of Trump stirring up China? :stirthepot: He better know what he is doing, he might get all of our asses burnt. :mooning: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on December 05, 2016, 11:31:45 AM
Hey "Just Sayin..." What do you think of Trump stirring up China? :stirthepot: He better know what he is doing, he might get all of our asses burnt. :mooning: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :rant:
Now tell me why he should ask China's permission to speak to anyone on the phone which is what they're all bent out of shape about.
For one thing the Chinese and the Muslims are crazy. :yes: They have taken the money we have sent them, buying their goods. And they have built Aircraft carriers, more atomic bombs, more submarines, more fighter aircraft and bombers, improve their guided missiles, shot space satellites out of orbit with their anti-satellite missiles, built islands out in the China Sea and trying to claim 200 miles around them as Chinese property. :yes: :yes: :yes: :eek:
:me: Why don't you tell what could go wrong with this picture and Trump's brain :biggrin:. :doh:
Quote from: me on December 05, 2016, 11:34:10 AM
Now tell me why he should ask China's permission to speak to anyone on the phone which is what they're all bent out of shape about.
:rolleyes:
That question doesn't even deserve a response.
Quote from: The Troll on December 05, 2016, 11:31:45 AM
Hey "Just Sayin..." What do you think of Trump stirring up China? :stirthepot: He better know what he is doing, he might get all of our asses burnt. :mooning: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :rant:
I noticed you dodged the statement I made.......and like always, direct it to something else.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 05, 2016, 12:07:35 PM
I noticed you dodged the statement I made.......and like always, direct it to something else.
Well tell me Sickooo, You don't think China could cause some real problems. :sick: :ouch: :waaa:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 05, 2016, 10:53:39 AM
Donald Trump hasn't even taken office yet...
That's right, he hasn't and the things that you are touting are essentially following the same trend they have virtually the entire time Obama has been in office. How about we wait until he's actually in office before we give him credit for shit he didn't do.
I also love the way you folks are bragging about how your messiah "saved" all of those Carrier jobs (even though more jobs will still be sent to Mexico than not) but Obama is despised for bailing out the auto industry (with money that has largely been paid back, not corporate welfare) and saved 1.5 million jobs. For those of you who are bad at math, that's 1,875 times the number of jobs the best estimates of the Carrier deal yield.
Quote from: Locutus on December 05, 2016, 11:59:24 AM
That question doesn't even deserve a response.
This is how a completely ignorant electorate are able to elect an equally ignorant leader. She has absolutely no clue why or how this is a bad move diplomatically. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 05, 2016, 12:47:26 PM
This is how a completely ignorant electorate are able to elect an equally ignorant leader. She has absolutely no clue why or how this is a bad move diplomatically. :rolleyes:
They're not even smart enough to know he conned them.
Quote from: Locutus on December 05, 2016, 12:55:31 PM
They're not even smart enough to know he conned them.
And it is blatantly obvious at this point.
...and now Ben Carson for Housing and Urban Development. :rolleyes:
At least his picks aren't from the Weather Underground and communist/marxist leaders aren't their idols.
Yeah, this pick has zero experience in government at any level - not federal, not state, not local. He also has zero experience related to housing, urban development, or the poor.
You Trump supporters continue to amaze me. :rolleyes:
Guys, all I'm going to say in regards to Trump and his "promises". I'm going to keep quiet as I did during the election. He proved you guys "embarrassingly" wrong then, so I will merely sit back and watch him do what he says he is going to do....and leave the arm chair qb'ing to you guys, who seem to think are much more intelligent that Trump is.
So continue to bash away, and we will see who gets the last laugh.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 05, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
So continue to bash away, and we will see who gets the last laugh.
I don't think it's going to be you Hank, but time will tell. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on December 05, 2016, 02:35:13 PM
I don't think it's going to be you Hank, but time will tell. :wink:
I've heard similar predictions from you recently.........we will see...:wink:
I hope I'm wrong Hank; I really do. I want him to succeed and make the country better. But what I'm seeing out of him and his appointees so far scares the shit out of me.
Diplomacy. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 05, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
...and we will see who gets the last laugh.
Indeed we will.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 05, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
Indeed we will.
With Europe on the verge of a fresh new set of implosions, we may not have to wait very much longer either. . .
Quote from: Locutus on December 05, 2016, 02:51:17 PM
I hope I'm wrong Hank; I really do. I want him to succeed and make the country better. But what I'm seeing out of him and his appointees so far scares the shit out of me.
Look, I'm NOT wanting a last laugh....but I sincerely believe we got to give this guy a chance. He is NOT stupid, in any fashion. I realize you will not like some of his appointees, but I have faith, THIS is his area of expertise....that being, having the right people around you in order to be successful.
I can't find it, but I said the exact same thing as you did when Obama took office....I said that I hope he makes a democrat out of me, because the most important thing was, I wanted a strong America.
That didn't happen, but I will give him credit, things aren't as bad as I thought they were going to be, OVERALL.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 05, 2016, 03:25:51 PM
...but I sincerely believe we got to give this guy a chance.
I'm willing to give him the same chance your ilk gave Obama.
QuoteI can't find it, but I said the exact same thing as you did when Obama took office....I said that I hope he makes a democrat out of me, because the most important thing was, I wanted a strong America.
That's absolute bullshit and you're a liar. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on December 05, 2016, 02:31:00 PM
At least his picks aren't from the Weather Underground and communist/marxist leaders aren't their idols.
Name these people you are talking about Dummkoph. Nothing like that happened, you're just :bat: bat shit crazy. :kissit:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 05, 2016, 03:25:51 PM
Look, I'm NOT wanting a last laugh....but I sincerely believe we got to give this guy a chance. He is NOT stupid, in any fashion. I realize you will not like some of his appointees, but I have faith, THIS is his area of expertise....that being, having the right people around you in order to be successful.
I can't find it, but I said the exact same thing as you did when Obama took office....I said that I hope he makes a democrat out of me, because the most important thing was, I wanted a strong America.
That didn't happen, but I will give him credit, things aren't as bad as I thought they were going to be, OVERALL.
His picks tell you a lot about his giving the rich more and cutting out the social programs for Americans hurting from low wage jobs, high housing and food costs and health care. AND he is considering a man who gave away more top secret information that Snowden did...
Quote from: Locutus on December 05, 2016, 02:51:17 PM
I hope I'm wrong Hank; I really do. I want him to succeed and make the country better. But what I'm seeing out of him and his appointees so far scares the shit out of me.
I'm the kind of person who has always thought there's some good in everyone, but Trump? Maybe there is, at least for his children, but otherwise? I don't think he is capable of feeling anything remotely like empathy. He is obviously very intelligent and devious and unpredictable, and I agree absolutely with part of what you wrote: "... what I'm seeing out of him and his appointees so far scares the shit out of me."
Quote from: Locutus on December 05, 2016, 01:40:13 PM
...and now Ben Carson for Housing and Urban Development. :rolleyes:
I imagine he knows what needs done in that aspect 'cause he was raised in Detroit public housing from what I understand so it isn't like he's unfamiliar with the needs of poor people and what it's like to live under those conditions. Having experienced those conditions himself should give him the insight to do what needs done unlike someone who has never experienced it.
Quote from: me on December 06, 2016, 01:21:35 AM
I imagine he knows what needs done in that aspect 'cause he was raised in Detroit public housing from what I understand so it isn't like he's unfamiliar with the needs of poor people and what it's like to live under those conditions. Having experienced those conditions himself should give him the insight to do what needs done unlike someone who has never experienced it.
Nah. Carson is an uncle tom. He's proven that through his life and his campaign for president.
http://www.alternet.org/why-gop-loves-ben-carson-he-helps-racist-whites-hide-their-racism (http://www.alternet.org/why-gop-loves-ben-carson-he-helps-racist-whites-hide-their-racism)
Quote from: Exterminator on December 05, 2016, 03:59:30 PM
That's absolute bullshit and you're a liar. :rolleyes:
Nope, I am not...and it is NOT Bullshit....wrong on both accounts. You are really struggling lately. But, lets be clear. I am NOT lying nor is it bullshit.
The bottom line, is I want this country to become strong economically once again. I want to see a boom, similar as to what we got experience during the Reagan/Clinton years....Obama, IMO, ended up failing in this dept.
I want to see leadership once again........Obama ended up failing in this dept (IMO)....
I want to see leadership
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 06, 2016, 08:52:11 AM
Nope, I am not...and it is NOT Bullshit....wrong on both accounts. You are really struggling lately. But, lets be clear. I am NOT lying nor is it bullshit.
LMFAO! Struggling how? It should be easy enough to prove me wrong. Show us the post in which you clearly said you wanted Obama to succeed and I'll eat my words. Unless and until you do, I stand by my statement that that's bullshit and you're a liar.
QuoteThe bottom line, is I want this country to become strong economically once again.
And what does that look like? High corporate profits? Record stock market? Low unemployment? Annual federal budget deficit a third of what it was 8 years ago?
QuoteI want to see a boom, similar as to what we got experience during the Reagan/Clinton years.
You must have been high on crack during the 80's if you think this country experienced an economic boon (not boom :rolleyes:) during Reagan's administration.
QuoteObama, IMO, ended up failing in this dept.
Yes, those thing I mentioned before are terrible. :rolleyes:
QuoteI want to see white leadership once again........Obama ended up failing in this dept (IMO)....
I went ahead and fixed this to say what you really mean.
Quote from: me on December 06, 2016, 01:21:35 AM
I imagine he knows what needs done in that aspect 'cause he was raised in Detroit public housing from what I understand so it isn't like he's unfamiliar with the needs of poor people and what it's like to live under those conditions. Having experienced those conditions himself should give him the insight to do what needs done unlike someone who has never experienced it.
Standing in a garage doesn't make you a car. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 06, 2016, 09:05:44 AM
LMFAO! Struggling how? It should be easy enough to prove me wrong. Show us the post in which you clearly said you wanted Obama to succeed and I'll eat my words. Unless and until you do, I stand by my statement that that's bullshit and you're a liar.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 06, 2008, 10:39:40 AM
Like the ones who's mission was to annaliate President Bush?
Listen, Bo...I honestly HOPE and PRAY, that Obama makes a democrat out of me....I'm getting TOO old, and things are too important to play politics.....I do NOT agree with his methodology of many issues, but, I will support the POTUS...and if he is wrong, then he will and should be called out on them....if he is right, then God Bless him and I will be ready to cast a vote for him in 2012....
Yo EX, ahem!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 06, 2016, 10:26:26 AM
Yo EX, ahem!
Mmmm...words are good!
Now clarify what you meant by if he's wrong or if he's right because I never once saw you support anything he did.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 06, 2016, 10:31:40 AM
Mmmm...words are good!
Now clarify what you meant by if he's wrong or if he's right because I never once saw you support anything he did.
That's what I figure........backing out of your words.
You have NO CLUE if I didn't support him or not. I know I didn't go out and riot and set shit on fire.
I Bullshit on here, just to keep you frothing....I never HATED the man, just didn't agree with him on his leadership.
I also made that statement after he was elected........I was eager for "HOPE & CHANGE". Which he failed at.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 06, 2016, 10:42:06 AM
That's what I figure........backing out of your words.
I said I'd eat my words and followed with, "mmmm...words are good." Is there something about that that's hard for you to understand? They are all monosyllabic words so I'm not sure I could make it any simpler. :biggrin:
QuoteI never HATED the man, just didn't agree with him on his leadership.
Disagreed with what, specifically?
Quote from: Exterminator on December 06, 2016, 10:54:57 AM
Disagreed with what, specifically?
Healthcare...
The way he handled the Middle East (Iran & Syria) and Terrorism...
His Executive Orders...
His leadership, which I think he contributed to a divided nation and spurred on racial tensions.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 06, 2016, 11:04:47 AM
Healthcare...
The way he handled the Middle East (Iran & Syria) and Terrorism...
His Executive Orders...
His leadership, which I think he contributed to a divided nation and spurred on racial tensions.
You said you disagreed with him in your post from November 6, 2008. At that time, none of these things had occurred. Again I ask, with what did you disagree when you made that statement, specifically?
Quote from: me on December 06, 2016, 01:21:35 AM
I imagine he knows what needs done in that aspect 'cause he was raised in Detroit public housing from what I understand so it isn't like he's unfamiliar with the needs of poor people and what it's like to live under those conditions. Having experienced those conditions himself should give him the insight to do what needs done unlike someone who has never experienced it.
He was
not raised in public housing. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 06, 2016, 10:54:57 AM
They are all monosyllabic words so I'm not sure I could make it any simpler. :biggrin:
The word monosyllabic is not monosyllabic. You sure he knows what you mean? :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 06, 2016, 08:52:11 AM
Nope, I am not...and it is NOT Bullshit....wrong on both accounts. You are really struggling lately. But, lets be clear. I am NOT lying nor is it bullshit.
The bottom line, is I want this country to become strong economically once again. I want to see a boom, similar as to what we got experience during the Reagan/Clinton years....Obama, IMO, ended up failing in this dept.
I want to see leadership once again........Obama ended up failing in this dept (IMO)....
I want to see leadership
What boom in Reagan and Clinton years? Clinton removed Glass-Steagall Act which allowed the banks and investors to merge, causing the collapse of the economy. Reagan began outsourcing jobs.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 06, 2016, 03:42:26 PM
What boom in Reagan and Clinton years? Clinton removed Glass-Steagall Act which allowed the banks and investors to merge, causing the collapse of the economy. Reagan began outsourcing jobs.
Housing boom.....not sure, but it created LOTS of jobs and good times....I know, because I was part of it.....I worked in construction and it was booming.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 06, 2016, 04:25:17 PM
Housing boom.....not sure, but it created LOTS of jobs and good times....I know, because I was part of it.....I worked in construction and it was booming.
MOST construction in the Anderson area was done by "undocumented workers". You were lucky, but I bet your wages were low.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 06, 2016, 04:41:41 PM
MOST construction in the Anderson area was done by "undocumented workers". You were lucky, but I bet your wages were low.
And you know they were undocumented? How? Because they were hispanic? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 06, 2016, 04:53:41 PM
And you know they were undocumented? How? Because they were hispanic? :rolleyes:
Not only that, they couldn't speak English. :yes: The only one that could speak English was their boss. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on December 06, 2016, 05:24:28 PM
Not only that, they couldn't speak English. :yes: The only one that could speak English was their boss. :yes: :biggrin:
The majority of them can speak english. They just choose to feign not being able to in order to prevent those yapping crackers from delaying them getting their work done so that they won't be late for their next job. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 06, 2016, 04:53:41 PM
And you know they were undocumented? How? Because they were hispanic? :rolleyes:
Mostly..and not speaking English. I'm not sure many of the Chinese come in from any place but restaurants in Anderson. I don't notice too many Russian groups changing workers. We used to live behind Scarlet Lakes and watched those houses be filled with undocumented workers who changed every third house or so.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 06, 2016, 08:20:27 PM
The majority of them can speak english. They just choose to feign not being able to in order to prevent those yapping crackers from delaying them getting their work done so that they won't be late for their next job. :icon_twisted:
And you know this because? You frequently spoke to them in English?
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 06, 2016, 08:22:47 PM
And you know this because? You frequently spoke to them in English?
Yes. On a daily basis from November 2006 to December 2009, while several different crews were building my house and several others.
Now, again I will ask you: "You know they were undocumented? How?"
Quote from: Palehorse on December 06, 2016, 08:46:09 PM
Yes. On a daily basis from November 2006 to December 2009, while several different crews were building my house and several others.
Now, again I will ask you: "You know they were undocumented? How?"
Exactly, my brother worked with a farmer who hired many Hispanics. Most of them could speak English but chose to speak in Spanish. My brother learned Spanish in order to converse with them. And most all of them were here legally.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 06, 2016, 04:25:17 PM
Housing boom.....not sure, but it created LOTS of jobs and good times....I know, because I was part of it.....I worked in construction and it was booming.
Until it wasn't. In 1988, Reagan's last year in office, the housing market crashed and foreclosures and bankruptcies soared. The same thing happened 20 years later at the end of the next Republican administration that held office for 8 years. See a pattern?
Quote from: Palehorse on December 06, 2016, 08:20:27 PM
...those yapping crackers...
We prefer to be called saltine-Americans. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 07, 2016, 08:01:24 AM
Until it wasn't. In 1988, Reagan's last year in office, the housing market crashed and foreclosures and bankruptcies soared. The same thing happened 20 years later at the end of the next Republican administration that held office for 8 years. See a pattern?
A pattern that I do see is, republicans remove regulations and cut taxes........BOOM! economy grows.
Democrats come in.......enforce many regulations, raise taxes........BAM! Recession.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 07, 2016, 09:28:05 AM
A pattern that I do see is, republicans remove regulations and cut taxes........BOOM! economy grows.
Democrats come in.......enforce many regulations, raise taxes........BAM! Recession.
You continue to make that claim despite having been provided empirical evidence to the contrary for years. You must really enjoy wallowing in your ignorance. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 07, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
You continue to make that claim despite having been provided empirical evidence to the contrary for years. You must really enjoy wallowing in your ignorance. :rolleyes:
No you have provided information that fits your ideology. Not facts. Facts are we had a boom that lasted 20 years, because of Reaganomics. That cannot be argued...that is a fact.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 07, 2016, 12:00:14 PM
No you have provided information that fits your ideology.
Bullshit. We provided you with actual numbers that disprove your tripe and you continue to ignore them. It isn't our fault your as bad at math as you are at English and science. As I said, wallow in your ignorance.
QuoteNot facts. Facts are we had a boom that lasted 20 years, because of Reaganomics. That cannot be argued...that is a fact.
Again, absolute bullshit unsupported by data. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 06, 2016, 08:46:09 PM
Yes. On a daily basis from November 2006 to December 2009, while several different crews were building my house and several others.
Now, again I will ask you: "You know they were undocumented? How?"
A friend's son had a roofing business several years ago. He tried hiring some Hispanic workers. Some of their papers came back wrong so he told them he had to fire them. They asked what papers were bad so they could get new ones printed. I'm guessing they were here illegally.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 07, 2016, 12:00:14 PM
No you have provided information that fits your ideology. Not facts. Facts are we had a boom that lasted 20 years, because of Reaganomics. That cannot be argued...that is a fact.
Bullshit, bullshit and bullshit. :rant: It's because of Reaganomics and Trickle Down Theroy that has cause of the money problems America has. Reagan and David Stockman dream up the Trickle Down theoy and Stockman said after Reagan was out of office that they both knew that it wouldn't work. Henry you surly are a gas bag :balloon: and a Turkey. :hellur:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 07, 2016, 01:01:42 PM
Again, absolute bullshit unsupported by data. :rolleyes:
What data do you need/ Did you LIVE in the 80's? Did you see unemployment drop from 11% to 5%...Did you notice that he had an anuall GDP of 3.7%? Did you not know nearly 170,000 jobs were created every month under Reagan?
How is it humanly possible for you to NOT know this without an article telling you differently?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 07, 2016, 01:42:51 PM
What data do you need/ Did you LIVE in the 80's? Did you see unemployment drop from 11% to 5%...Did you notice that he had an anuall GDP of 3.7%? Did you not know nearly 170,000 jobs were created every month under Reagan?
How is it humanly possible for you to NOT know this without an article telling you differently?
I knew all of these things but if Reagan did such a good job (that you claim continued through the Clinton years) why was George H.W. Bush's administration such a dismal failure (<56,000 jobs per month created)?
FWIW, during the 80's I co-owned a gold and silver shop. These types of businesses usually do better in a bad economy as people are willing to sell anything they have of value to put food on the table. We made a lot of money.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 07, 2016, 03:18:53 PM
why was George H.W. Bush's administration such a dismal failure (<56,000 jobs per month created)?
Six words sums it all up......."Read my lips; no new taxes". He allowed the DEMOCRAT controlled congress to have their way and INCREASED taxes....which led to a recession in 91.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 07, 2016, 01:42:51 PM
What data do you need/ Did you LIVE in the 80's? Did you see unemployment drop from 11% to 5%...Did you notice that he had an anuall GDP of 3.7%? Did you not know nearly 170,000 jobs were created every month under Reagan?
How is it humanly possible for you to NOT know this without an article telling you differently?
Unemployment went up to 10% in Reagan's second year. It never dropped to 5%. It fudged the numbers and did not count those not looking.
Show the data on the jobs creation, because Reagan allowed monopoly take overs to run small companies out and then larger companies and laid off millions of Americans because of it.
The GDP indicated under Reagan that inflation was occurring.
"The Gross Domestic Product measures the value of economic activity within a country. Strictly defined, GDP is the sum of the market values, or prices, of all final goods and services produced in an economy during a period of time."
Reagan didn't allow the economy to create jobs...he allowed for a "Free Market" which created monopolies and high unemployment.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republicans-continue-misremember-the-reagan-jobs-record (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republicans-continue-misremember-the-reagan-jobs-record)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 07, 2016, 03:42:20 PM
Six words sums it all up......."Read my lips; no new taxes". He allowed the DEMOCRAT controlled congress to have their way and INCREASED taxes....which led to a recession in 91.
Raising taxes was a way to keep down the deficit. Bush willingly went along with the tax increase.
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2010/06/25/A-Budget-Deal-That-Did-Reduce-the-Deficit (http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2010/06/25/A-Budget-Deal-That-Did-Reduce-the-Deficit)
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 07, 2016, 04:27:45 PM
Reagan didn't allow the economy to create jobs...
You're wasting your time. These people lay in bed at night stroking themselves while fantasizing that Reagan will come back from the dead and let them blow him.
No one who ever took a post-secondary economics class believes in supply-side economics. I was a business owner in the 80's and my perception was that the economy sucked. Henry was a construction worker and his impression was that it was awesome. What's that tell you?
Quote from: Exterminator on December 08, 2016, 07:59:01 AM
You're wasting your time. These people lay in bed at night stroking themselves while fantasizing that Reagan will come back from the dead and let them blow him.
No one who ever took a post-secondary economics class believes in supply-side economics. I was a business owner in the 80's and my perception was that the economy sucked. Henry was a construction worker and his impression was that it was awesome. What's that tell you?
Also, don't forget Henry was a Soda Jerk and he loaded lumber trucks at some lumber yard. :haha: Mind expanding jobs. :doh: :rotfl: You don't suppose that some lumber truck backed over his head. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 07, 2016, 03:42:20 PM
Six words sums it all up......."Read my lips; no new taxes". He allowed the DEMOCRAT controlled congress to have their way and INCREASED taxes....which led to a recession in 91.
He knew tax increases were better for the economy
Quote from: Exterminator on December 08, 2016, 07:59:01 AM
You're wasting your time. These people lay in bed at night stroking themselves while fantasizing that Reagan will come back from the dead and let them blow him.
No one who ever took a post-secondary economics class believes in supply-side economics. I was a business owner in the 80's and my perception was that the economy sucked. Henry was a construction worker and his impression was that it was awesome. What's that tell you?
Tells me you are right.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 08, 2016, 01:17:03 PM
He knew tax increases were better for the economy
That is crap! He (Reagan) reduced it from SEVENTY PERCENT!!!! to 28%. For ANYONE to pay 70cents out every dollar they make to the government is ASININE!
In FACT, the top 1% actually paid MORE of the federal revenue AFTER they cut their taxes.........so, you guys can say what you will.......but the REAGAN TAX CUTS was the BEST thing to happen to the US economy in HISTORY.
The Reagan tax-rate reductions increased tax revenues from $500 billion to $1 trillion by the end of the 1980s. (http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2015/7/reagans-tax-cutting-legacy)
Spending was CLEARLY the problem and both parties are extremely guilty.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 08, 2016, 01:30:01 PM
That is crap! He (Reagan) reduced it from SEVENTY PERCENT!!!! to 28%. For ANYONE to pay 70cents out every dollar they make to the government is ASININE!
He also raised taxes a few times (because revenues didn't match expectations) by eliminating loopholes.
He also tripled the deficit.
Quote from: Locutus on December 08, 2016, 01:34:49 PM
He also tripled the deficit.
That is CONGRESS's fault. They control the purse.
So his tax cuts had nothing to do with it? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 08, 2016, 01:57:18 PM
So his tax cuts had nothing to do with it? :rolleyes:
Hell NO!
He raised Federal Revenue by cutting taxes, which spurred the economy. SPENDING more than we bring in is wrong.....it is basic econ 101.
I don't understand why this is hard for democrats to understand. (And I know, I know! Republican Congress is just as guilty!!! I'm not defending that!)
Ex is right! You really would blow him. :razz: ;D
Quote from: Locutus on December 08, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
Ex is right! You really would blow him. :razz: ;D
Naw, I wouldn't. But, the facts are, HE WAS A GREAT LEADER...and that is what started all of this....and Tax Cuts DO WORK.....I will defend this until the day I die.
I'm thinking, you guys would be okay with "doin" Hillary....which may be about as bad as blowin Reagan.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 08, 2016, 02:10:47 PM
SPENDING more than we bring in is wrong.....it is basic econ 101.
I don't understand why this is hard for democrats to understand.
OH MY GAWD!
Hank, you are SUCH a hypocrite.
You want to hold and blame government and Democrats to standards that you won't hold - and haven't held - yourself to (on more than one occasion I might add) and took advantage of a Constitutional guaranteed bail out (again more than once) and want to deny others government aid.
It's no wonder you worship that crook Drumpf.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 08, 2016, 02:26:37 PM
....and Tax Cuts DO WORK.....I will defend this until the day I die.
Cogent analyses like this are easily found, and as you're no economist - and can't even run your own finances - pardon us for thinking you're an idiot when it comes to economics.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/30/452905475/fact-check-do-tax-cuts-grow-the-economy
"t is by no means obvious, on an ex ante basis, that tax rate cuts will ultimately lead to a larger economy," as the Brookings Institution's William Gale and Andrew Samwick wrote in a 2014 paper.According to a 2012 report from the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (referenced by the New York Times' David Leonhardt in a 2012 column), top marginal tax rates and economic growth have not appeared correlated over the past 60 years.Likewise, the economic research firm Moody's found in 2008 that temporary tax cuts (like rebates) could boost GDP, but permanent ones had a much weaker effect. Meanwhile, boosting spending on programs like food stamps and unemployment had a stronger effect, they found.
Swell. . . The new labor secretary is the CEO of Hardees. . .
Thickburger anyone? :rolleyes: :mad: :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 08, 2016, 03:49:39 PM
Swell. . . The new labor secretary is the CEO of Hardees. . .
Thickburger anyone? :rolleyes: :mad: :rant:
AND anti-everything for workers.
In Anderson, it's easy to see how religion destroys government and a good economy. ALL of those people who retired from GM with HUGE pension plans and benefits who then joined the born again evangelical movement to get rid of unions....they just gripe me to no end.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 08, 2016, 02:10:47 PM
Quote from: Locutus on December 08, 2016, 01:57:18 PM
So his tax cuts had nothing to do with it? :rolleyes:
He raised Federal Revenue by cutting taxes, which spurred the economy.
Not only are you wrong, your memory - like most of you RW idiots - is entirely selective.
Just one example:
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/reagan_years_taxes/
Despite the aggressive tax cutting, Reagan couldn't ignore the budget deficit, which was burgeoning.
After Reagan's first year in office, the annual deficit was 2.6% of gross domestic product. But it hit a high of 6% in 1983, stayed in the 5% range for the next three years, and fell to 3.1% by 1988. (By comparison, this year it's projected to be 9% but is expected to drop considerably thereafter.)
So, despite his public opposition to higher taxes, Reagan ended up signing off on several measures intended to raise more revenue.
"Reagan was certainly a tax cutter legislatively, emotionally and ideologically. But for a variety of political reasons, it was hard for him to ignore the cost of his tax cuts," said tax historian Joseph Thorndike.
Two bills passed in 1982 and 1984 together "constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime," Thorndike said.
Quote from: Y on December 08, 2016, 03:53:51 PM
He raised Federal Revenue by cutting taxes, which spurred the economy.
Not only are you wrong, your memory - like most of you RW idiots - is entirely selective.
Just one example...
We've buried him in examples for years and he still continues to spout the same ignorant lies. You can't fix stupid.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 08, 2016, 03:49:39 PM
Swell. . . The new labor secretary is the CEO of Hardees. . .
Thickburger anyone? :rolleyes: :mad: :rant:
Now I am not sure, but isn't this the guy who made millions of dollars off of people working for minimum wage. :rolleyes: Also isn't he the one who said they didn't need minimum wage rates, the free market would work it out. :whip: :puke:
He's also a champion of the failed theory of trickle-down economics.
Quote from: The Troll on December 08, 2016, 03:58:34 PM
Now I am not sure, but isn't this the guy who made millions of dollars off of people working for minimum wage. :rolleyes: Also isn't he the one who said they didn't need minimum wage rates, the free market would work it out. :whip: :puke:
Quote from: Locutus on December 08, 2016, 04:03:39 PM
He's also a champion of the failed theory of trickle-down economics.
Yes and yes! :yes: :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on December 08, 2016, 04:03:39 PM
He's also a champion of the failed theory of trickle-down economics.
I got to say Locutus, Trump isn't draining the swamp. He lowering the water level by pulling out the swamp creature out and putting in his cabinet. :wink: :grin2: I wish Biden had run, I think he could have won and I am quite sure thing would be a lot smooother and better for the country. :4th3:
Exxon Mobile CEO looks to be the one named as Secretary of State for the Raging Cheeto. (Rex Tillerson)
We are fucking doomed. . . :spooked: :mad:
All bow down to the almighty Oil Corporation and the Raging Cheeto!
:kneel:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 10, 2016, 03:23:24 PM
Exxon Mobile CEO looks to be the one named as Secretary of State for the Raging Cheeto. (Rex Tillerson)
We are fucking doomed. . . :spooked: :mad:
All bow down to the almighty Oil Corporation and the Raging Cheeto!
:kneel:
Drill Baby, Drill!Spill Baby, Spill! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I have thought about and thought about it. :think: :think: :read: I read about it. :think: :think: And I wonder how in hell did this asshole Billionaiire get elected. :pigdance: :@#%&: :@#%&: :@#%&: :@#%&: :@#%&: :dam: :dam: :dam: :dam: :dam: :dam: :gha: :groan:
The Ruskies did it! ;D
Just listened to a program on C-Span about the economy. :rolleyes: And the professors said, profit of the United States, 53% of the money went to the 1% of the population. The billionaires and millionaires, Trump being one of them. Only 15% went to the rest of us. :@#%&: :dam: :angry:
Folks, we cannot let this to continue. :trustme: But we have a class of greedy, stupid people who vote against their own living standards. WTF :dizzy2: :wall: :wacko: :pink: :pink: :pink:
Quote from: The Troll on December 11, 2016, 03:44:30 PM
Just listened to a program on C-Span about the economy. :rolleyes: And the professors said, profit of the United States, 53% of the money went to the 1% of the population. The billionaires and millionaires, Trump being one of them. Only 15% went to the rest of us. :@#%&: :dam: :angry:
Folks, we cannot let this to continue. :trustme: But we have a class of greedy, stupid people who vote against their own living standards. WTF :dizzy2: :wall: :wacko: :pink: :pink: :pink:
and this is after 8 years of Obama....so, uh...yeah.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 08:29:12 AM
and this is after 8 years of Obama....so, uh...yeah.
Blame your hero, Reagan, about whom you still lie awake at night fantasizing. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 12, 2016, 10:35:26 AM
Blame your hero, Reagan, about whom you still lie awake at night fantasizing. :rolleyes:
Nope, YOU guys was supposed to FIX this........Obama ran his campaign on this and he didn't do poo poo....so, I guess Trump will fix it for the working class and make America Great Again.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 10:39:34 AM
Nope, YOU guys was supposed to FIX this...
The economy is doing great!
Quote.....Obama ran his campaign on this and he didn't do poo poo...
Ran his campaign on what and please provide specifics.
Quote...so, I guess Trump will fix it for the working class and make America Great Again.
Sure he will...you'll get what you deserve.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 10:39:34 AM
Nope, YOU guys was supposed to FIX this........Obama ran his campaign on this and he didn't do poo poo....so, I guess Trump will fix it for the working class and make America Great Again.
Hey Chumpie, just why didn't your Republican controlled House of Representives help him do it. :rant: Instead of cutting him off at the knees every time he tried to improve America. :doh: :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on December 12, 2016, 11:20:31 AM
Hey Chumpie, just why didn't your Republican controlled House of Representives help him do it. :rant: Instead of cutting him off at the knees every time he tried to improve America. :doh: :rant:
Bullsh!t! Bush didn't whine when the democrats railroaded him, nor did Reagan.....Maybe if Obama would have tried to play nice from the beginning he could have been more successful........he told the republicans when he first took office, they could come along for the ride, but to stay out of the way....he told his democrat congress if the republicans bring a knife to the fight for them to bring a gun!
He failed at leadership! BIG LEAGUE!
Regarding President Obama:
Just maybe I'll concede that Obama was/is too idealistic. Maybe he believed that because he won the presidency, things, people had changed. But, he failed to understand what pure greed, pure evil can do. And that hungry people, educated or not, people without jobs, or with jobs that don't pay enough, will compromise their principles: like, for instance, supporting, voting for someone like Donald Trump :spooked: :icon_evil:
I remember my first lesson in what I think of as reality: Charles Smith, a Bluefield lawyer, and I were talking about ?what, when I made the statement that stealing is wrong, that there is no excuse. Period. He looked at me for a minute or two and then said: "Are you sure? If you had no money, no job, no way to buy food for your little boy, would you steal to feed him?"
Quote from: Exterminator on December 12, 2016, 11:01:25 AM
The economy is doing great!
Then why is it we still have a labor participation rate around 63 percent, with slightly more than 94.5 million Americans out of the work force....worst since WWII.
If it is so great, why is it we are in a decline of real household family income. It has went from $57,000 in 2007 to $53,700 in 2014.....and that home ownership rate has declined to a near 48-year low.
Or that we have more Americans on food stamps since he took office? It has increased from 26.5 million in 2007 to 44.5 million in 2016.
If it is so great, then why has there not been a single year under Obama in which the annual growth rate has been at three percent....this is unprecedented for any or our recent presidents.
Sure, the stock market is doing well, but ask the average hard working blue collar working American if they give a flip about the stock market.....
Quote from: Exterminator on December 12, 2016, 11:01:25 AM
Ran his campaign on what and please provide specifics.
That he was going to bring hope & change to the average American........he didn't and that is why Trump is our next POTUS.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 12, 2016, 11:01:25 AM
Sure he will...you'll get what you deserve.
Time will tell, won't it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
Then why is it we still have a labor participation rate around 63 percent, with slightly more than 94.5 million Americans out of the work force....worst since WWII.
A portion of the figure you quote are baby boomers that are either on the cusp of retirement or retired early. Those individuals are subjected to rampant ageism in this country and so cannot obtain employment paying more than minimum wage due to it. Even then they are competing with younger individuals for these same bottom of the scale positions and frequently lose out to them.
The balance of the figure are individuals that lost their positions due to the stampede of manufacturing companies from this country that was enabled by foreign trade agreements of which the sitting POTUS had zero participation in.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
If it is so great, why is it we are in a decline of real household family income. It has went from $57,000 in 2007 to $53,700 in 2014.....and that home ownership rate has declined to a near 48-year low.
Or that we have more Americans on food stamps since he took office? It has increased from 26.5 million in 2007 to 44.5 million in 2016.
If it is so great, then why has there not been a single year under Obama in which the annual growth rate has been at three percent....this is unprecedented for any or our recent presidents.
Don't blame the president for this. The above are the impacts upon this nation brought on by congressional pandering to corporate Amerika and it's wealthy ownership, as well as foreign trade agreements that enabled manufacturing companies to leave this country and further enhance their burgeoning coffers by paying dirt cheap labor rates in other countries. All the while they import their foreign manufactured goods back into this country with impunity.
And if you think the Raging Cheeto is going to be able to change that then you are agin, underestimating the impact (negative) our elected representation in congress has upon the sharp decline in quality of life and the GDP of this nation. They will fight him tooth and nail just as they did President Obama, only the Raging Cheeto will cave in order to avoid the negative press. And things in this nation will get even worse exponentially.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
Sure, the stock market is doing well, but ask the average hard working blue collar working American if they give a flip about the stock market.....
That he was going to bring hope & change to the average American........he didn't and that is why Trump is our next POTUS.
Time will tell, won't it.
They had better start giving a flip about the stock market because that is the only retirement resource left to the average worker in this country anymore. Congress enabled corporate Amerika to weasel out of pension plans and eliminate them altogether, so now we are left at the mercy of the stock markets in order to have an ice cube's chance in Hades of being able to retire and eat anything besides Alpo.
Corporate Amerika has this nation by the short hairs and the average citizen of this nation just proved they haven't got the slightest idea about it by electing an individual from it's clubhouse POTUS. And now he is filling his cabinet with nothing but more of the same.
Time will tell alright, but it will not be a pleasant story. . . :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 12, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Time will tell alright, but it will not be a pleasant story. . . :rant:
I 1000% disagree.....and time, will indeed tell us the truth. I think we are on the cusps of the best thing to happen in a long time in this country....we are already seeing hints of consumer confidence on the rise and economic optimism is reflecting by the Stock Market....because of TRUMP.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 02:45:09 PM
I 1000% disagree.....and time, will indeed tell us the truth. I think we are on the cusps of the best thing to happen in a long time in this country....we are already seeing hints of consumer confidence on the rise and economic optimism is reflecting by the Stock Market....because of TRUMP.
I'm finding it very hard to understand your optimism; especially if one were to stipulate to all of the current conditions within your prior post.
With 94.5 million people out of the workforce how can they afford to be consumers of anything much more than groceries?
Same with the depressed income levels you speak of; how can they afford much more than the roof over their heads, transportation/commuting costs, and food?
Same for those 44.5 million on food stamps?
Your optimism is misplaced; especially if those things you were attempting to pile upon the sitting POTUS are true.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 02:45:09 PM
I 1000% disagree.....and time, will indeed tell us the truth. I think we are on the cusps of the best thing to happen in a long time in this country....we are already seeing hints of consumer confidence on the rise and economic optimism is reflecting by the Stock Market....because of TRUMP.
Yep, a Cancer victim always seems to get better before it kill them. :yes: :trustme: Trump is Cancer. :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
Then why is it we still have a labor participation rate around 63 percent, with slightly more than 94.5 million Americans out of the work force....worst since WWII.
According to the oft repeated Republican mantra, it's because they're too lazy to work and would rather sit around in their Cadillacs soaking up welfare and food stamp benefits. Now you are saying it's because of the economy. If that's the case and the economy is so bad that no jobs are available, would you agree that the government should be helping those people?
QuoteIf it is so great, why is it we are in a decline of real household family income. It has went from $57,000 in 2007 to $53,700 in 2014...
Cherry picking the numbers you want to use to make your invalid point is lying. When Obama took office in 2009, the figure was $54,988 (and the Republican led recession was just starting). By 2015 it was $56,516.
Your talking points are bullshit and they have each been covered here before. Doing so again is a waste of time. All you do is regurgitate the talking points you've read on your fake news websites.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 12, 2016, 02:50:34 PM
Your optimism is misplaced; especially if those things you were attempting to pile upon the sitting POTUS are true.
It' simple. Those who got Trump ELECTED are the working class. Those on food stamps, probably voted for democrat....don't bite the hands that feed ya mentality.
We have a record amount of millennial men who are still living at home with their parents, due to not being able to find a job with an income to make ends meet...Trump is promising to fix this. By influencing more companies to open up here. Trump already has a Japanese cohort who has already pledged to spend $50 billion here and to create 50,000 jobs.
Trump has influenced Carrier to stay put........keeping thousands of jobs.
I say you have GOT to give the man a CHANCE. You are already to ride him out of town on the next rail.....
Perhaps you will be right, and I may be wrong.......but, for now, I am excited to give him a chance to see if he can and will, do as he says....so far, he is off to an energetic start....and he hasn't even sworn in.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 12, 2016, 03:44:09 PM
If that's the case and the economy is so bad that no jobs are available, would you agree that the government should be helping those people?
The best way for our government to HELP these people is to create an environment that boosts our economy so more GOOD PAYING jobs will be available to anyone who WANTS to work...THAT is what Trump is planning on doing.
Give him a chance to prove himself right....if he doesn't you guys should win by a landslide come 2020.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 04:01:44 PM
The best way for our government to HELP these people is to create an environment that boosts our economy so more GOOD PAYING jobs will be available to anyone who WANTS to work...THAT is what Trump is planning on doing.
Give him a chance to prove himself right....if he doesn't you guys should win by a landslide come 2020.
Yes Sir, Bird Boy. :sneaky: I'll give him the chance you and you're Republican asshole gave Obama. :yes:
Yep, saying the same kind words and kind treatment you personally gave Barack. :yes: But, you Republicans have got full control of Indiana and Washington DC and everything that happens will be yours. :haha: :music1: Oh, happy days, :music1: oh happy days :music1: When Jesus comes :jc: :music1: the republicans better pray. :music1: Oh happy days :music1: :drummer: :trustme: Birdie. :wink:
Rick Perry to head the, uh, federal agency, uh, I don't know. Oops! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 04:01:44 PM
The best way for our government to HELP these people is to create an environment that boosts our economy so more GOOD PAYING jobs will be available to anyone who WANTS to work...THAT is what Trump is planning on doing.
How? By negatively affecting the stock prices of major corporations like Boeing and Lockheed Martin? Or maybe by his massive corporate tax cuts...but...how is he going to pay for those? By closing loopholes? Doesn't that mean that those corporations will still be paying as much anyway? If so, how does it help them and if not, how will the loss of revenue be covered?
You haven't thought of any of this, have you? Of course not, people like you just follow along blindly without ever considering how these things could possibly come to fruition.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 04:01:44 PM
...if he doesn't you guys should win by a landslide come 2020.
Not if we still allow illiterate morons to vote. :rolleyes:
How about having a little quiz, shall we? Let's not overload anyone's brain, but let's just isolate one of your statements.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 13, 2016, 12:13:08 PM
How? By negatively affecting the stock prices of major corporations like Boeing and Lockheed Martin?
Now let's see if either HH or 'me' can elucidate exactly how Trump's policies may negatively affect the stock of a company like Boeing.
Go! ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on December 13, 2016, 12:13:08 PM
how will the loss of revenue be covered?
You haven't thought of any of this, have you?
Why you always gotta be an ass, instead of just sharing opinions?
For starters, 80% of our federal revenue is collected by individual income taxes and employee payroll taxes....if we add 25 million new jobs over the next 25-years (as he is predicting) that equals trillions of new tax dollars.
Only 11% of our federal revenue is collected by corporate taxes....
Now, if he brings back the trillions of dollars, that are now overseas........that could fill in the delta of the reduction of corp tax rate....
Add this to the end of wasteful spending........it isn't really that hard to see.
Now, I know you are just going to say he isn't going to do the things he says he is going to do.....you REALLY don't know that. You said he wouldn't be elected and you was wrong. Maybe you oughta just pipe down and see what really happens before you get all obnoxious.
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2016, 12:19:01 PM
How about having a little quiz, shall we? Let's not overload anyone's brain, but let's just isolate one of your statements.
Now let's see if either HH or 'me' can elucidate exactly how Trump's policies may negatively affect the stock of a company like Boeing.
Go! ;D
Let me ask you this? Why is it the Stock Market is setting new records each day, since he won the election?
I say it is BECAUSE of Trumps expected policies that Wall Street see's as economic growth....
Quote from: Exterminator on December 13, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
Not if we still allow illiterate morons to vote. :rolleyes:
It is those illiterate morons that didn't vote this time because they hated Hillary, and the democrats screwed Bernie........are talking about THOSE illiterate morons? Or are you talking about the illiterate morons that are STILL whining that they lost this election? Because if you keep them from voting, then the GOP will be in charge every time.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
Let me ask you this? Why is it the Stock Market is setting new records each day, since he won the election?
I say it is BECAUSE of Trumps expected policies that Wall Street see's as economic growth....
You didn't answer my question Hank. Do you know how Trump's policies can hurt a company like Boeing? Exterminator made the claim, and it's true.
But do you know why?
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2016, 12:46:47 PM
You didn't answer my question Hank. Do you know how Trump's policies can hurt a company like Boeing? Exterminator made the claim, and it's true.
But do you know why?
Are you referring to the policies where we fix a broken tax system?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2016, 12:58:13 PM
Are you referring to the policies where we fix a broken tax system?
I'm talking about his trade policies, specifically vis-à-vis China, and how they could negatively impact Boeing, potentially resulting in job losses.
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2016, 01:01:48 PM
I'm talking about his trade policies, specifically vis-à-vis China, and how they could negatively impact Boeing, potentially resulting in job losses.
"Could" being the key word here.........AGAIN, let's give this guy a chance........he is a master of negotiating....that is his specialty. Let him do his thing........I'm betting he is going to WIN...(He equals USA)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
Let me ask you this? Why is it the Stock Market is setting new records each day, since he won the election?
As I pointed out to you previously, the stock market has been setting records for years. Is Trump responsible for that as well?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2016, 12:46:21 PM
It is those illiterate morons that didn't vote this time...
You didn't vote?
Quote from: Locutus on December 13, 2016, 01:01:48 PM
I'm talking about his trade policies, specifically vis-à-vis China, and how they could negatively impact Boeing, potentially resulting in job losses.
High paying jobs.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2016, 01:06:04 PM
"Could" being the key word here.........AGAIN, let's give this guy a chance........he is a master of negotiating....that is his specialty. Let him do his thing........I'm betting he is going to WIN...(He equals USA)
If he continues along the lines that he's talked about, you can strike the word 'could', and replace it with the word 'will.'
You still don't know why though, do you?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 12, 2016, 03:58:54 PM
Trump already has a Japanese cohort who has already pledged to spend $50 billion here and to create 50,000 jobs.
You might want to do a little more research...that was pretty much a done deal already.
QuoteTrump has influenced Carrier to stay put........keeping thousands of jobs.
Thousands is it now? Do you even know what it means to tell the truth?
I love how people like Henry always talk about what a successful businessman Trump is even while his father handed him over $200 million from which he got his start. When you remind them of this fact, they invariably bring up how Forbes estimates his wealth now at something approaching $4 billion which just proves his business finesse. Unfortunately for them, the truth is that had Trump simply invested that money and done nothing else...no cheating workers out of their money, no building hotels and casinos, no repeated filing of bankruptcies...just invested the money and let it grow, he'd be worth over $12 billion now. So, yeah...successful businessman...sounds legit. :rolleyes:
Lets give Trump a chance...I think he will be better than what we have had in the past.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 13, 2016, 03:41:03 PM
Thousands is it now? Do you even know what it means to tell the truth?
Well 2000, would be thousands.........Carrier has two separate sites — the Carrier plant in Indianapolis, with 1,400 employees, and a United Technologies factory in Huntington, Ind., with 700....equals 2,000 and both were going to be effected, but not now....so, maybe you need to find the truth once in a while...before you spout off.
Quote from: Laci Ann on December 13, 2016, 03:51:09 PM
Lets give Trump a chance...I think he will be better than what we have had in the past.
Well, he's going to get a chance whether we like it or not.
Quote from: Laci Ann on December 13, 2016, 03:51:09 PM
Lets give Trump a chance...I think he will be better than what we have had in the past.
Well, we will pray :pray: for him and I hope he goes to church :preach: Maybe he will be saved :pope: and with god's will :ghost: He won't screw up the country to much. :pray: :preach: :pope: and the three ghostsies. :ghost:
Quote from: The Troll on December 13, 2016, 07:20:51 PM
Well, we will pray :pray: for him and I hope he goes to church :preach: Maybe he will be saved :pope: and with god's will :ghost: He won't screw up the country to much. :pray: :preach: :pope: and the three ghostsies. :ghost:
Hahahaha, right!!!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 13, 2016, 07:25:10 PM
Hahahaha, right!!!
I am glad you agree. :thumbsup: :rotfl: :rotfl: He got to have those three holy ghosties. :pope:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 13, 2016, 04:03:57 PM
Well 2000, would be thousands.........Carrier has two separate sites — the Carrier plant in Indianapolis, with 1,400 employees, and a United Technologies factory in Huntington, Ind., with 700....equals 2,000 and both were going to be effected, but not now..
I'm not sure if you're an abject liar or you live in an alternate universe or if you're just incredibly stupid and uninformed. 600 of the 1,400 union jobs at the Indianapolis facility, those involved with the fan coil manufacturing lines, are still moving to Mexico as are
all 700 jobs from the Huntington facility. There were 730 line workers' jobs spared and as many as 70 management positions at the Indianapolis facility. That means that 800 jobs are staying in Indy and a total of 1,300 from both facilities are still moving to Mexico. In addition, the $16 million Carrier plans to invest in the Indianapolis facility is slated to be spent on automation so some of the jobs that will remain here are only temporary. They won't go to Mexico, they will simply disappear.
Quote..so, maybe you need to find the truth once in a while...before you spout off.
Perhaps you should take you own advice but thank you for illustrating why people like you should not be allowed to vote. :rolleyes:
I know you are always so damn sure of your info, even though you have been proven wrong on many issues. Why don't we just wait and see what happens. Trump hasn't even been in office yet and he has saved what appears to be what you have stated, but there is more to come. A few months ago, we was going to lose 2000 jobs. Let's see how many ACTUALLY stay when this is all said and done.
I think this is very interesting....Trump is reaching out to several, BEFORE he even takes office...
Technology leaders are about to come face-to-face with President-elect Donald Trump after fiercely opposing his candidacy, fearful that he would stifle innovation, curb the hiring of computer-savvy immigrants and infringe on consumers' digital privacy.On Wednesday, Silicon Valley luminaries and other technology leaders are headed to Trump Tower in New York to make their peace — or press their case — with Trump and his advisers. The CEOs planning to attend include Apple's Tim Cook, Alphabet's Larry Page, Microsoft's Satya Nadella, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, Intel's Brian Krzanich, IBM's Ginni Rometty, Oracle's Safra Catz and Cisco Systems' Chuck Robbins.
Facebook's chief operating officer, Sheryl Sandberg, will be on hand instead of its CEO, Mark Zuckerberg, who was one of many tech executives to express misgivings about Trump's pledge to deport millions of immigrants.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2016, 09:34:58 AM
I know you are always so damn sure of your info, even though you have been proven wrong on many issues. Why don't we just wait and see what happens. Trump hasn't even been in office yet and he has saved what appears to be what you have stated, but there is more to come. A few months ago, we was going to lose 2000 jobs. Let's see how many ACTUALLY stay when this is all said and done.
It is done and almost 2/3 of those jobs are going to Mexico. This has been widely reported on by virtually every major local and national news outlet.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 14, 2016, 10:30:36 AM
It is done and almost 2/3 of those jobs are going to Mexico. This has been widely reported on by virtually every major local and national news outlet.
Okay, you may be right, I'm saying wait and see. Trump says there is more to come regarding this situation....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 14, 2016, 10:55:00 AM
Okay, you may be right, I'm saying wait and see. Trump says there is more to come regarding this situation....
No, he's said that there will be other Carrier-style deals coming. All of this raises some interesting questions, however. I thought Republicans were all about not interfering with business and letting capitalism and the free-market do it's work. How is this type of interference consistent with that policy?
I'm a Christian and a Democrat. Trump is the biggest joke that ever entered politics. Just shows the power of money. The pharmaceutical companies and Trump have much in common as they only care about $. One of my needed prescriptions for a month is now $530, which I can no longer receive. Let's see where that goes with the new administration.
Quote from: Cottontail on December 14, 2016, 02:13:21 PM
I'm a Christian and a Democrat. Trump is the biggest joke that ever entered politics. Just shows the power of money. The pharmaceutical companies and Trump have much in common as they only care about $. One of my needed prescriptions for a month is now $530, which I can no longer receive. Let's see where that goes with the new administration.
Trump used to be a Democrat too! :biggrin:
Welcome to the Zone Cottontail.
Quote from: Cottontail on December 14, 2016, 02:13:21 PM
I'm a Christian and a Democrat. Trump is the biggest joke that ever entered politics. Just shows the power of money. The pharmaceutical companies and Trump have much in common as they only care about $. One of my needed prescriptions for a month is now $530, which I can no longer receive. Let's see where that goes with the new administration.
Yep and he won't do anything.
Welcome
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 14, 2016, 02:57:32 PM
Yep and he won't do anything.
Welcome
Welcome Cottontail,
I can tell you one thing saying that you are a Christian :pray: :preach: :pope: and the three ghosties :ghost: :ghost: :ghost: isn't going to get you anywhere with Trump. :no: :no: :no: :no: If anyone is the AntiChrist :jc: This guy is the one. :ogod:
This man, if you can call him a man. He's a liar :liar2: He's a cheater, he has cheated thousands of people out of money, services, time and by fraud. Paying low wages or just not paying at all. He doesn't pay any federal income tax, yet he's top feeder with a penthouse in the sky, costly airplane, helicopter, boats and cars and mansions. This man pays no federal income tax. :no: Do you pay any income tax. If you don't or you don't earn enough and pay little, he would consider that you are a low bottom feeder. :yes: Do you really think he will help you. :nowink: :ogod: On top of that, "THERE IS NO GOD, NO DEVIL, NO HELL AND NO HEAVEN. :groan:
I don't know what good news there is today, but :pigdance: Donald Trump doesn't have any. :puke:
Cool. I've lost so much faith in our country. My dad was shot in WWII at Pearl Harbor and received a Purple Heart. He died a few years ago and I am glad he doesn't have to see the shambles of what he nearly gave his life for, and many did. :rant:
Well, if the Raging Cheeto starts a war that requires the re-implementation of the draft, I say we start with the states that voted for him. Best to cull that portion of the herd first anyway. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 14, 2016, 08:47:46 PM
Well, if the Raging Cheeto starts a war that requires the re-implementation of the draft, I say we start with the states that voted for him. Best to cull that portion of the herd first anyway. :yes:
That's a great plan! ;D
Quote from: Palehorse on December 14, 2016, 08:47:46 PM
Well, if the Raging Cheeto starts a war that requires the re-implementation of the draft, I say we start with the states that voted for him. Best to cull that portion of the herd first anyway. :yes:
I want a draft, I have wanted a draft for years. :rant: We have young boys and girls that need some good training. :yes: :yes: :yes: If we had a draft and the college kids, the brightest with no deferments had to go and no trips to Canada or overseas to get away from it. :rant: I don't think we would have had the last two wars we have had. :yes: That god damn George W. Bush and the Republican corporations couldn't have started them. :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
Okay guys!!! Damn! Get a grip!!! You are getting a little embarrassing! The man hasn't taken office and you are acting like it is the end of the world ;D ;D
I never ever have seen more people, especially the Hollywood crowd, with their butts hurt this bad....blaming Russia, blaming the electoral collage, blaming the internet, blaming a 'rigged' election, only to find out, Trump actually GAINED VOTES, blaming EVERYTHING but what really happened.
The American people have clearly spoken.....and elected republicans that now control of a record 68 percent of the 98 partisan state legislative chambers in the nation....they will control both legislative chambers in 32 states....in 24 of the 32 states with Republican-controlled legislatures, the American people voted to add, new Republican governors...the voters gave us 33 republican governors....
So, be as cocky and arrogant as you will.........the people have spoken.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 08:26:48 AM
So, be as cocky and arrogant as you will.........the people have spoken.
2.8
million more people voted for Hillary.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 14, 2016, 11:13:17 AM
No, he's said that there will be other Carrier-style deals coming. All of this raises some interesting questions, however. I thought Republicans were all about not interfering with business and letting capitalism and the free-market do it's work. How is this type of interference consistent with that policy?
And...crickets. Republicans are such hypocrites. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 15, 2016, 10:29:14 AM
And...crickets. Republicans are such hypocrites. :rolleyes:
First of all, I no-longer feel like a republican....I am going to let Trump do his thing, and I am going to support him. Washington is f'd up, both parties has nearly ruined our country.
But just for the record, a republican is STILL hands down better with ideology than any liberal idea.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 15, 2016, 10:26:15 AM
2.8 million more people voted for Hillary.
the people from LA, NY City, Chicago may have wanted Hillary, but the vast amount of people across this land CLEARLY didn't.
And our wonderful electoral process has spoken loudly....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 11:14:53 AM
the people from LA, NY City, Chicago may have wanted Hillary, but the vast amount of people across this land CLEARLY didn't.
I know you're not good at math but how does losing the popular vote by millions equate to, "the vast amount"?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 11:12:54 AM
But just for the record, a republican is STILL hands down better with ideology than any liberal idea.
Says the guy who can't correctly conjugate the verb, "to have."
You're still dodging the original question.
Do people who voted for Trump feel like suckers now that he's nominating billionaires and Wall Street insiders to his cabinet? He played you all for chumps just like he did Romney! LMFAO!
Quote from: Exterminator on December 15, 2016, 11:50:02 AM
Do people who voted for Trump feel like suckers now that he's nominating billionaires and Wall Street insiders to his cabinet? He played you all for chumps just like he did Romney! LMFAO!
He sure did.
I, for one, never thought he was ever really considering Romney. He just wanted to trot him out there to that nice dinner as payback and to rub Romney's nose in his victory.
Quote from: Locutus on December 15, 2016, 11:52:50 AM
He sure did.
I, for one, never thought he was ever really considering Romney. He just wanted to trot him out there to that nice dinner as payback and to rub Romney's nose in his victory.
I think Trump is getting the best person for the job, just as he said he would do. I really don't care what/who, as long as they proceed to make things better for all of us.
Again, you guys act like you know so much, but you think you would learn to shut-up and see what happens before you go blowing off.....you was SO damn sure, Hillary was going to be the next potus, but you was wrong......there was NO way, we could crack the blue wall and you was wrong.
Relax and go along for the ride........you are only going to become a stronger American.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 15, 2016, 11:47:35 AM
I know you're not good at math but how does losing the popular vote by millions equate to, "the vast amount"?
Let me rephrase it for you.....the vast majority of voters from 19 states voted Trump....and the majority from 11 more voted trump.........and he NARROWLY lost MN, NH, VA, and NEV.
Remember, we are the UNITED STATES of America........NOT AMERIKA....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 11:58:17 AM
I think Trump is getting the best person for the job, just as he said he would do.
Of course you do but it isn't like you're the sharpest knife in the drawer, now is it? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 15, 2016, 12:17:27 PM
Of course you do but it isn't like you're the sharpest knife in the drawer, now is it? :rolleyes:
You know, you really show your weakness when you "try" to put someone down....didn't you get enough attention as a kid? Most of the people I know that act like you do, have issues.....just sayin.
Looks like Ivanka is going to be first lady. She's moving into the White House office that's reserved for the first lady. :rolleyes:
If there was ever a time for the electors to carry out their Constitutional responsibilities, this is the year.
Quote from: Locutus on December 15, 2016, 12:57:23 PM
Looks like Ivanka is going to be first lady. She's moving into the White House office that's reserved for the first lady. :rolleyes:
If there was ever a time for the electors to carry out their Constitutional responsibilities, this is the year.
There Constitutional responsibility would be to have 306 electoral votes be cast for DJT....despite you guys thinking Hillary's pop vote.........Trump won by a LANDSLIDE according to our Constitution.
I have never seen such sour grapes as I have by the so-called democrat party.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
. . .
I have never seen such sour grapes as I have by the so-called democrat party.
I have. The last 8 years. In fact it has been worse the last 8 years than ever in the history of this nation.
I have never seen so many bamboozled by one man; the Raging Cheeto.
He could shit in bowl and call it pate' and you idiots would lap it up and remark on it's fine quality and wonderful taste.
And don't squall so much about "giving him a chance" man. After 8 years of listening to you and your ilk run the current POTUS into the ground for everything, including waking up in the morning, you've ensured that the Raging Cheeto will be put under a microscope already.
The real problem is you could be legally blind and see his mistakes already from miles away. So the results are going to bitterly disappoint those of you that voted for him. :fortune: :sultan: :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
There Constitutional responsibility would be to have 306 electoral votes be cast for DJT....despite you guys thinking Hillary's pop vote.........Trump won by a LANDSLIDE according to our Constitution.
I have never seen such sour grapes as I have by the so-called democrat party.
You really don't know how wrong you are, do you?
The electoral college system was designed as a preventative measure to protect the republic from unqualified and dangerous candidates like Trump who successfully dupe voters like you. :wink:
But I suppose it's too much to ask for you to understand that when you didn't even know what it would take to impose term limits on members of Congress. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 12:45:49 PM
...didn't you get enough attention as a kid?
I mostly grew up in foster homes; thanks for your interest.
QuoteMost of the people I know that act like you do, have issues.....just sayin.
Absolutely! I am the first to admit that I have no tolerance for ignorance.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 14, 2016, 11:13:17 AM
All of this raises some interesting questions, however. I thought Republicans were all about not interfering with business and letting capitalism and the free-market do it's work. How is this type of interference consistent with that policy?
I guess we'll never get an answer to this...typical. :rolleyes:
I feed birds over 50# of grains a week. Even if they do crap on me. :eek:
This is for Henry: It has become apparent that Donald Trump doesn't have a clue about how the government works, so somebody apparently suggested, or he decided all on his own, to approach his new job as POTUS like the military. What he apparently does not realize is that is that, in the military, teams of writers/analysts do all the work, each according to rank and then pass it up to the next in line until it gets to the boss, either a high level former or current military officer.
The point I'm trying to make is that really important stuff goes through many hands before it gets to the big boss to approve and sign. The thing that scares me and (I hope) a lot of people, is whether or not Donald Trump realizes that being an expert at making money and building huge buildings does not qualify him to be POTUS. We -- and he -- had better hope (pray) that he is recruiting the right experts. :eek: :spooked:
Quote from: libby on December 15, 2016, 03:38:33 PM
This is for Henry: It has become apparent that Donald Trump doesn't have a clue about how the government works, so somebody apparently suggested, or he decided all on his own, to approach his new job as POTUS like the military. What he apparently does not realize is that is that, in the military, teams of writers/analysts do all the work, each according to rank and then pass it up to the next in line until it gets to the boss, either a high level former or current military officer.
The point I'm trying to make is that really important stuff goes through many hands before it gets to the big boss to approve and sign. The thing that scares me and (I hope) a lot of people, is whether or not Donald Trump realizes that being an expert at making money and building huge buildings does not qualify him to be POTUS. We -- and he -- had better hope (pray) that he is recruiting the right experts. :eek: :spooked:
Exactly why do you think Trump has no idea how government works is it just because the media is telling you that?
Quote from: me on December 15, 2016, 03:44:19 PM
Exactly why do you think Trump has no idea how government works is it just because the media is telling you that?
No. From personal experience. In 1986 I went to work for the Department of Defense in the Pentagon. Top Secret clearance prerequisite. In an office of civilian and military analysts, the boss a former Navy Commander. I typed analysts' papers until I got a feel for what kind of office I was in, then moved to proofreader. The office did basically investigative work, culled information from a variety of sources, verified or not, then passed it to the boss, who approved or sent it back for changes. Then he passed it up to his boss, who was a General.
Anyway, that's where I learned about how the government works. As well as a few other things. :wink:
Quote from: libby on December 15, 2016, 03:38:33 PM
This is for Henry: It has become apparent that Donald Trump doesn't have a clue about how the government works, so somebody apparently suggested, or he decided all on his own, to approach his new job as POTUS like the military. What he apparently does not realize is that is that, in the military, teams of writers/analysts do all the work, each according to rank and then pass it up to the next in line until it gets to the boss, either a high level former or current military officer.
The point I'm trying to make is that really important stuff goes through many hands before it gets to the big boss to approve and sign. The thing that scares me and (I hope) a lot of people, is whether or not Donald Trump realizes that being an expert at making money and building huge buildings does not qualify him to be POTUS. We -- and he -- had better hope (pray) that he is recruiting the right experts. :eek: :spooked:
Libby,
Do you actually think he doesn't have qualified advisors to guide him? First of all, he has Mike Pence, who has spent 12 plus years in Washington as a Congressman. He has chaired and served on several committees.
He has Reince Priebus, who is his Chief of Staff, and was the head of the GOP.
Newt Gingrich is a close advisor and friend, who was as you know the former SOH.
He has some incredible people around him...
I think he understand PERFECTLY, the task at hand, and has been successful by getting good people around him. He is a decision maker and a negotiator.....
To be quite honest, I think he is HANDS down WAY more qualified than Obama was. Obama was not even a 2 full term senator when he took on the task. Obama was a lawyer.
I really think it is comical on how everyone has this notion that Trump is an idiot.......he clearly isn't. I understand why liberals don't like him, but it seems like everyone who has come to Trump Towers to meet with him come away with a new opinion of him and are impressed.
Bill Gates is now comparing him to JFK...after a brief time discussing things.
He has had meeting with all sorts of folks seeking input and strategies........I have never, ever seen any president elect do the things he has already done.
He is eager and is working hard. I think, if you give him a chance, you will see some very good things happen to ALL Americans.
But, do we really want a POTUS who is learning on the job, from scratch? Not only that, he is also the kind of person who speaks, acts, and reacts extemporaneously. How do those generals and others plan to keep track of him, keep up with him, every hour of every day?
Quote from: libby on December 15, 2016, 05:49:17 PM
... and reacts extemporaneously.
Uh oh Libby! Now he's going to have to fish out his dictionary. :razz:
:biggrin:
Quote from: libby on December 15, 2016, 04:27:36 PM
No. From personal experience. In 1986 I went to work for the Department of Defense in the Pentagon. Top Secret clearance prerequisite. In an office of civilian and military analysts, the boss a former Navy Commander. I typed analysts' papers until I got a feel for what kind of office I was in, then moved to proofreader. The office did basically investigative work, culled information from a variety of sources, verified or not, then passed it to the boss, who approved or sent it back for changes. Then he passed it up to his boss, who was a General.
Anyway, that's where I learned about how the government works. As well as a few other things. :wink:
Oh how they who are quick to relate anecdotal stories as hard evidence, are even quicker to cast aside the real life experiences and learnings of those who have direct involvement that provides insight.
Yet another link in the long chain of the hypocrisy that is their burden to carry and our pain to endure. :mad: :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 04:35:17 PM
Libby,
Do you actually think he doesn't have qualified advisors to guide him? First of all, he has Mike Pence, who has spent 12 plus years in Washington as a Congressman. He has chaired and served on several committees.
He has Reince Priebus, who is his Chief of Staff, and was the head of the GOP.
Newt Gingrich is a close advisor and friend, who was as you know the former SOH.
He has some incredible people around him...
I think he understand PERFECTLY, the task at hand, and has been successful by getting good people around him. He is a decision maker and a negotiator.....
To be quite honest, I think he is HANDS down WAY more qualified than Obama was. Obama was not even a 2 full term senator when he took on the task. Obama was a lawyer.
I really think it is comical on how everyone has this notion that Trump is an idiot.......he clearly isn't. I understand why liberals don't like him, but it seems like everyone who has come to Trump Towers to meet with him come away with a new opinion of him and are impressed.
Bill Gates is now comparing him to JFK...after a brief time discussing things.
He has had meeting with all sorts of folks seeking input and strategies........I have never, ever seen any president elect do the things he has already done.
He is eager and is working hard. I think, if you give him a chance, you will see some very good things happen to ALL Americans.
He's got Mike Pence, he got Reince Priebus and Newt Gingrich, YOU GOT TO BE SHITTING US!!!!!!!
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YOU'RE FUCKING CRAZY HENRY HAWK.
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Quote from: libby on December 15, 2016, 04:27:36 PM
No. From personal experience. In 1986 I went to work for the Department of Defense in the Pentagon. Top Secret clearance prerequisite. In an office of civilian and military analysts, the boss a former Navy Commander. I typed analysts' papers until I got a feel for what kind of office I was in, then moved to proofreader. The office did basically investigative work, culled information from a variety of sources, verified or not, then passed it to the boss, who approved or sent it back for changes. Then he passed it up to his boss, who was a General.
Anyway, that's where I learned about how the government works. As well as a few other things. :wink:
Ok, that tells me about you but didn't answer my question about Trump.
Quote from: Cottontail on December 14, 2016, 02:13:21 PM
I'm a Christian and a Democrat. Trump is the biggest joke that ever entered politics. Just shows the power of money. The pharmaceutical companies and Trump have much in common as they only care about $. One of my needed prescriptions for a month is now $530, which I can no longer receive. Let's see where that goes with the new administration.
Am just catching up! Welcome, Cottontail. :smile:
Quote from: me on December 15, 2016, 03:44:19 PM
Exactly why do you think Trump has no idea how government works is it just because the media is telling you that?
I answered you. Think analogy.
Quote from: libby on December 15, 2016, 11:16:26 PM
I answered you. Think analogy.
I prefer an answer rather than an inference that you are better qualified than he because of a job you had at one time.
Quote from: libby on December 15, 2016, 05:49:17 PM
But, do we really want a POTUS who is learning on the job, from scratch?
That was Obama! He was about as green as any POTUS ever elected. You guys didn't complain.
I think you are worrying about nothing. Time will tell.
But he was smart to pick some qualified people for his cabinet, Dipstick. :rant:
Rick Perry of department of energy. :huh1: You got to be shiitting us again. Birdie. :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on December 16, 2016, 09:22:18 AM
But he was smart to pick some qualified people for his cabinet, Dipstick.
Rick Perry of department of energy. You got to be shiitting us again. Birdie. :haha:
Why, just because you don't "LIKE" him? He was Gov of Texas, a congressman and AG commissioner of TX.......He is qualified, if you like it or not.
Quote from: me on December 15, 2016, 03:44:19 PM
Exactly why do you think Trump has no idea how government works is it just because the media is telling you that?
His words illustrate that.
Quote from: libby on December 15, 2016, 04:27:36 PM
No. From personal experience. In 1986 I went to work for the Department of Defense in the Pentagon. Top Secret clearance prerequisite. In an office of civilian and military analysts, the boss a former Navy Commander. I typed analysts' papers until I got a feel for what kind of office I was in, then moved to proofreader. The office did basically investigative work, culled information from a variety of sources, verified or not, then passed it to the boss, who approved or sent it back for changes. Then he passed it up to his boss, who was a General.
Anyway, that's where I learned about how the government works. As well as a few other things. :wink:
My brother has spent his life first in law enforcement in the military (was the CID Chief at Ft. Hood and a personal bodyguard for 2 secretaries of defense) and then in various intelligence positions after he retired from the Army (DOD, Dept of the Interior, State Dept., etc.) and he agrees with your assessment of Trump. Call me strange but when it comes to whose judgement I give more weight and the choice is between a couple of uneducated Andertuckians or the current Special Agent in Charge of Investigations for the Overseas Operations Division of the U.S. Department of State, I'm inclined to choose the latter. Just sayin'...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 04:35:17 PM
Bill Gates is now comparing him to JFK...
I'm sure he's hoping Trump's presidency ends the way JFK's did.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 15, 2016, 04:35:17 PM
He has some incredible people around him...
Like this guy? (http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/15/investing/tillerson-trump-exxon-shale-oil-america-first/index.html) Way to completely miss a huge opportunity for your company and to put American jobs last, douche.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/160721142411-us-oil-production-soars-under-obama-780x439.jpg)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 16, 2016, 10:27:50 AM
OH, I have... :razz:
You're funny...but looks aren't everything. :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 16, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
My brother has spent his life first in law enforcement in the military (was the CID Chief at Ft. Hood and a personal bodyguard for 2 secretaries of defense) and then in various intelligence positions after he retired from the Army (DOD, Dept of the Interior, State Dept., etc.) and he agrees with your assessment of Trump. Call me strange but when it comes to whose judgement I give more weight and the choice is between a couple of uneducated Andertuckians or the current Special Agent in Charge of Investigations for the Overseas Operations Division of the U.S. Department of State, I'm inclined to choose the latter. Just sayin'...
This from someone who voted for an organizer with no real world job experience. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on December 16, 2016, 01:22:41 PM
This from someone who voted for an organizer with no real world job experience. :rolleyes:
:nta: :sarcasm:
I fully agree with you, Henry Hawk....I think Trump is a very intelligent man. We all have seen how most all in DC look out after only each other. I think Trump will be for the ppl.
Quote from: Laci Ann on December 16, 2016, 04:03:02 PM
I fully agree with you, Henry Hawk....I think Trump is a very intelligent man. We all have seen how most all in DC look out after only each other. I think Trump will be for the ppl.
I told the Hawk man that you would agree with him. ;D
Quote from: me on December 16, 2016, 01:22:41 PM
This from someone who voted for an organizer with no real world job experience. :rolleyes:
He had a hell of a lot more governmental experience than the Raging Cheeto does. And it has been proven to you dozens of times herein and yet here we are 8 years later and you are STILL spewing that tired old bullshit. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 16, 2016, 09:56:15 AM
Like this guy? (http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/15/investing/tillerson-trump-exxon-shale-oil-america-first/index.html) Way to completely miss a huge opportunity for your company and to put American jobs last, douche.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/160721142411-us-oil-production-soars-under-obama-780x439.jpg)
Indeed. I read that yesterday and almost posted it myself. :yes:
Bastard focused on foreign jobs and markets and said screw the Americans. :mad:
Quote from: Laci Ann on December 16, 2016, 04:03:02 PM
I fully agree with you, Henry Hawk....I think Trump is a very intelligent man.
I'm sure that compared to you, he is. It's all relative.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 16, 2016, 04:16:52 PM
He had a hell of a lot more governmental experience than the Raging Cheeto does. And it has been proven to you dozens of times herein and yet here we are 8 years later and you are STILL spewing that tired old bullshit. :roll eyes:
Essentially every claim she has ever made on this forum relating to Obama and his "policies" with which she "disagrees" has been soundly debunked yet she continues to make them. At the end of the day, her obvious racial bias is the only logical explanation.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 16, 2016, 05:38:12 PM
Essentially every claim she has ever made on this forum relating to Obama and his "policies" with which she "disagrees" has been soundly debunked yet she continues to make them. At the end of the day, her obvious racial bias is the only logical explanation.
Yup! :yes:
Quote from: me on December 15, 2016, 11:47:04 PM
I prefer an answer rather than an inference that you are better qualified than he because of a job you had at one time.
:rolleyes: This is getting silly. I cannot help what
you inferred from what I wrote. Sorry you entirely missed the point.
Quote from: libby on December 17, 2016, 12:29:07 AM
:rolleyes: This is getting silly. I cannot help what you inferred from what I wrote. Sorry you entirely missed the point.
No I didn't, you didn't answer my question you gave me an example and inferred you had more experience than he does. Simply handling classified info does not give you the one upmanship on being qualified to be POTUS on anyone. Hell, my SIL and grandson both handled classified info when they were in the military, SIL for 15yrs and so I guess that gives them the upperhand over you. Now, do you know for a fact Trump has no clue how the government works or are you just taking the word of the media?
Just think :me: you won't have to worry about Obama or the Democrats next year. :wink: :biggrin:
It's all going to be on you and Trump. :haha: :pigdance:
Quote from: me on December 17, 2016, 01:02:47 AM
No I didn't, you didn't answer my question you gave me an example and inferred you had more experience than he does. Simply handling classified info does not give you the one upmanship on being qualified to be POTUS on anyone. Hell, my SIL and grandson both handled classified info when they were in the military, SIL for 15yrs and so I guess that gives them the upperhand over you. Now, do you know for a fact Trump has no clue how the government works or are you just taking the word of the media?
No he doesn't have a clue how government works since he has never worked in a government position. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out except in your case than it takes a road map for that.
If I had the time I'd go back and quote all of the caterwauling the Trumpanzees did during the previous 2 elections surrounding the president's being unqualified for his position. Why?
Because every single thing they alleged about Obama is absolutely the truth surrounding the Raging Cheeto. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 17, 2016, 06:44:45 PM
If I had the time I'd go back and quote all of the caterwauling the Trumpanzees did during the previous 2 elections surrounding the president's being unqualified for his position. Why?
Because every single thing they alleged about Obama is absolutely the truth surrounding the Raging Cheeto. :yes:
Oh, Palehorse, get over it! :wink: :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Exterminator on December 16, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
My brother has spent his life first in law enforcement in the military (was the CID Chief at Ft. Hood and a personal bodyguard for 2 secretaries of defense) and then in various intelligence positions after he retired from the Army (DOD, Dept of the Interior, State Dept., etc.) and he agrees with your assessment of Trump. Call me strange but when it comes to whose judgement I give more weight and the choice is between a couple of uneducated Andertuckians or the current Special Agent in Charge of Investigations for the Overseas Operations Division of the U.S. Department of State, I'm inclined to choose the latter. Just sayin'...
:yes: Thank you.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 16, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
My brother has spent his life first in law enforcement in the military (was the CID Chief at Ft. Hood and a personal bodyguard for 2 secretaries of defense) and then in various intelligence positions after he retired from the Army (DOD, Dept of the Interior, State Dept., etc.) and he agrees with your assessment of Trump. Call me strange but when it comes to whose judgement I give more weight and the choice is between a couple of uneducated Andertuckians or the current Special Agent in Charge of Investigations for the Overseas Operations Division of the U.S. Department of State, I'm inclined to choose the latter. Just sayin'...
Oh I'm soooo impressed....NOT!!!!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 17, 2016, 06:41:04 PM
No he doesn't have a clue how government works
It DOESN'T work!!! That is why he got elected!!! People are sick and tired of the government NOT working for the people.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 07:55:57 AM
It DOESN'T work!!! That is why he got elected!!! People are sick and tired of the government NOT working for the people.....
:rolleyes: You need a dose of reality, which, if Trump becomes POTUS, you will most certainly get.
Quote from: libby on December 19, 2016, 11:18:48 AM
:rolleyes: You need a dose of reality, which, if Trump becomes POTUS, you will most certainly get.
what do you mean "IF" he gets POTUS? It is going to happen Libby, do you REALLY believe he isn't going to be the next POTUS???
I think it will be you who will actually get a reality check when you actually see this country make a turn for the best.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 12:16:33 PM
what do you mean "IF" he gets POTUS? It is going to happen Libby, do you REALLY believe he isn't going to be the next POTUS???
I think it will be you who will actually get a reality check when you actually see this country make a turn for the best.
Ever since I have been on the Zone. I have thought there was something mentally wrong with you Bunky. :yes: But this election and your love of Trump has proved to many people. :yes:
:dizzy2: :wall: :poop: You are crazier that a Loon! :poop: :cheshire: :no1:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 17, 2016, 06:41:04 PM
No he doesn't have a clue how government works since he has never worked in a government position. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out except in your case than it takes a road map for that.
He sure seems to know how it's supposed to work and hopefully will get it back to where it does.
Quote from: me on December 19, 2016, 03:47:57 PM
He sure seems to know how it's supposed to work and hopefully will get it back to where it does.
(To Quote the dearly departed followsthewolf):
Yeah.
Right.
And my dog just crapped cotton candy.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 19, 2016, 03:59:51 PM
(To Quote the dearly departed followsthewolf):
Yeah.
Right.
And my dog just crapped cotton candy.
Though I disagree with you analogy..........that WAS a good one by FTW!!!! (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/zonelaughing.gif)
BREAKING: Trump Wins Electoral College Vote
December 19, 2016 By Calvin Freiburger 3 Comments
The Left's desperate fantasies of a last-minute revolt that would undo the 2016 presidential election are officially dead and buried — the Electoral College has confirmed that Donald Trump will officially be the forty-fifth President of the United States.
The Daily Caller reports that just minutes ago, Trump obtained a majority of Electoral College votes, putting to rest outlandish scenarios of enough electors refusing to vote the way their states did to deny Trump the presidency:
Despite claims from Harvard professor Lawrence Lessig that more than 20 Republican electors were considering voting against Trump, these so-called "faithless electors" largely failed to materialize, with state after state delivering its electoral votes exactly in accordance with the popular vote result. The first faithless elector came shortly after 2 pm, when a Maine elector cast his vote for Sen. Bernie Sanders instead of Hillary Clinton. Another elector in Minnesota attempted to cast his vote for Sanders instead of Clinton, but Minnesota state law prohibits such faithless electors, so he was replaced by an alternate who supported Clinton.
Leftists tried to pester, bully, and shame electors into going rogue...and with few exceptions (such as one duplicitous attention hound) they failed.
This leaves disgruntled supporters of Hillary Clinton with nothing but a talking point that she was somehow the country's "true" choice because she won the popular vote. But even that requires ignoring the fact that Clinton's entire popular-vote margin came from California — ironically illustrating the Founders' brilliance in devising a system that keeps one populous state from making decisions for the rest of the country.
With the fantasies out of the way and the reality of President-elect Trump now undeniable, the real work on how to Make America Great Again starts. Let the battle begin.
http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/breaking-trump-wins-electoral-college-vote
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 07:55:57 AM
It DOESN'T work!!! That is why he got elected!!! People are sick and tired of the government NOT working for the people.....
Yes, it does work. Anyone being in any office should have an inkling of how government works and have had at least been in some form of a political office.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 19, 2016, 07:55:57 AM
It DOESN'T work!!! That is why he got elected!!! People are sick and tired of the government NOT working for the people.....
It STILL will not work, but you just keep right on believing it will. :rolleyes:
The problem is that along with the Raging Cheeto, you Trumpanzees also elected MORE of the individuals that
are the problem into congress; thereby ensuring that we have 4 more years of this crap. This time it will be on steroids because they have the keys to the kingdom.
On top of it all, the Raging Cheeto is appointing some of the heads of Korporate Amerika to his administration; the very individuals that sit at the helm of the entities lining the pockets of congress.
Here's a list of my personal predictions for the ensuing 4 years:
- Increased oppression of workers rights nationally; now that they've got rid of pensions they'll go after labor laws next.
- Increased depression of wages in order to further fatten up the corporate bottom line on the backs of those doing the work.
- War. More of it in the name of oil.
- Implementation of the draft in order to support said war.
- Historic level pandering to Korporate Amerika.
- Tax cuts for the wealthy & Korporations and increases for everyone else.
- Armed conflict between Mexico and the U.S. over the border issue.
- At least 3 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil.
- Diplomatic exile toward the U.S. imposed by virtually all of Europe and Asia.
- Exponential growth of the gap between the wealthy and the poor, with the middle-class going extinct.
- Health care crises will result in the deaths of millions, and homelessness for millions more.
- Legislative gridlock that will make the last 8 years look like child's play. All at the hands of those we just handed the keys to the kingdom to.
That's what I see in our future over the next 4 years. And a lot more.
Quote from: me on December 19, 2016, 03:47:57 PM
He sure seems to know how it's supposed to work and hopefully will get it back to where it does.
No he doesn't. He doesn't have a clue how government works.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 19, 2016, 05:24:02 PM
No he doesn't. He doesn't have a clue how government works.
And you know that for a fact because? Do you know him personally? All you have about him is second hand info fed to by the media.
Quote from: me on December 19, 2016, 05:50:11 PM
And you know that for a fact because? Do you know him personally? All you have about him is second hand info fed to by the media.
Don't act as if you hold some kind of insider view on him yourself, because you don't.
He'd scrape you off the bottom of his shoe like dog excrement. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 13, 2016, 02:47:32 PM
I guess we can use the same logic as Ex did........."Tripe!"....
Funny how trusting some are of known politicians, but are scared to death of a very, very, very successful businessman....despite how some people try their best to make him seem like a failure......he is the farthest thing from a failure.
A person can be successful as a businessman :yes: but be a failure as a humanbeing. :yes: Just look at yourself Birdboy. :mama:
Quote from: me on December 19, 2016, 05:50:11 PM
And you know that for a fact because? Do you know him personally? All you have about him is second hand info fed to by the media.
No dumbass, I don't know him personally and neither do you. But one thing is certain, he has no clue how government works same as you don't either. i don't have to get my news from the media like you do to see the man has no clue how to be a President.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 19, 2016, 08:03:06 PM
No dumbass, I don't know him personally and neither do you. But one thing is certain, he has no clue how government works same as you don't either. i don't have to get my news from the media like you do to see the man has no clue how to be a President.
Then how do you know he doesn't know how government works? What are you basing that on? If you're saying that because he's never had a job in the government that doesn't mean he doesn't know how things work.
Quote from: me on December 20, 2016, 12:07:29 AM
Then how do you know he doesn't know how government works? What are you basing that on? If you're saying that because he's never had a job in the government that doesn't mean he doesn't know how things work.
Most people who have run and held any type of political office know the ends and outs of government and how it works. Most aren't some over inflated ego like Trump. They tend to have degrees in either political science or a law degree. I would explain it more but it just goes over your head.
The following is not directed at anyone in particular, but as a typical liberal group that I have been listening to for a decade now....this is just a release of my thoughts and frustrations on a cold as hell Tuesday morning....
Just as everyone on here KNEW, sure as shit, that Clinton was going to be our next POTUS....just as everyone on here KNEW, sure as shit, that Obama was going to bring "hope & change"...just as everyone on here KNEW, sure as shit, that Pelosi and Reid was going to reach across the aisle and make congress respectable again..........
Guys, try shutting up once in a while and sit back with your mouth closed (even if you have to bite it)....and listen to what the working class is saying.
Quit acting like you know everything....YOU DON'T.
Obama had his cabinet FULL of APPOINTMENTS (https://newrepublic.com/article/137798/important-wikileaks-revelation-isnt-hillary-clinton) that was decided by Citibank (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8190)...and EVERYONE on here was just fantastic with it.
Trump is by far the most intelligent executive to even come close to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.....He is being attacked the most vicious as anyone who has been nominated as a candidate and who has been elected to the white house.....it has only been 6 weeks or so....and well....WOW!
So, excuse me, I will joyfully sit here and quietly watch. (As I did during this past election) I fully expect our country to take a turn for the BETTER....because common sense dictates. But, if you guys are smart as YOU think you are, as you were about this last election and SEVERAL other failed predictions...then when 2020 rolls around, you should have a shoe in at that election and you can go back to fixing things as you did in 2008.
Now, I'm through, feel a tad better and ready to attack my day at work. :)
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 20, 2016, 02:23:38 AM
Most people who have run and held any type of political office know the ends and outs of government and how it works. Most aren't some over inflated ego like Trump. They tend to have degrees in either political science or a law degree. I would explain it more but it just goes over your head.
Why do libs have the idea that only they are well educated and smarter than anyone else? If Trump were a lib ya'll would be singing his praises.
Quote from: me on December 20, 2016, 12:07:29 AM
Then how do you know he doesn't know how government works? What are you basing that on? If you're saying that because he's never had a job in the government that doesn't mean he doesn't know how things work.
Not what you said about Obama now is it? :roll eyes:
Quote from: me on December 20, 2016, 12:04:23 PM
Why do libs have the idea that only they are well educated and smarter than anyone else? If Trump were a lib ya'll would be singing his praises.
Nope, I wouldn't, again you are making the usual ass out of yourself assuming that you know what I am thinking. And please show me where I ever claimed to be a lib? For your information, I vote Republican most of the time but I sure to hell didn't this time. If he had ran on the Democrat ticket being the way he is, I would still say the same thing. I know plenty of people both Republicans, Democrats and Independents who are not more educated or smarter but they have been in a political office which gives them a little experience in how things work. One thing is certain, you don't have a damn clue.
And now you're telling me what I know and am thinking so I guess you would be making an ass of yourself as well.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 20, 2016, 03:12:08 PM
Nope, I wouldn't, again you are making the usual ass out of yourself assuming that you know what I am thinking. And please show me where I ever claimed to be a lib? For your information, I vote Republican most of the time but I sure to hell didn't this time. If he had ran on the Democrat ticket being the way he is, I would still say the same thing. I know plenty of people both Republicans, Democrats and Independents who are not more educated or smarter but they have been in a political office which gives them a little experience in how things work. One thing is certain, you don't have a damn clue.
Quote from: me on December 20, 2016, 04:41:12 PM
And now you're telling me what I know and am thinking so I guess you would be making an ass of yourself as well.
Nope but we all know you have made an ass out of yourself quite well and been debunked on everything that you post that you state as facts.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 20, 2016, 05:55:25 PM
Nope but we all know you have made an ass out of yourself quite well and been debunked on everything that you post that you state as facts.
You mean like Trump being President? Hum, seems to me like that ended up being fact.
Quote from: me on December 20, 2016, 06:56:39 PM
You mean like Trump being President? Hum, seems to me like that ended up being fact.
Just like Obama was President something you seemed to have had a hard time liking and show me where I ever said anything after he won about the results. All I have said is that it would be nice if he knew more about government dealings which he doesn't.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 20, 2016, 07:49:52 PM
Just like Obama was President something you seemed to have had a hard time liking and show me where I ever said anything after he won about the results. All I have said is that it would be nice if he knew more about government dealings which he doesn't.
You're arguing with a :wall: .
Quote from: Locutus on December 20, 2016, 08:04:21 PM
You're arguing with a :wall: .
True!
How is the weather where you are Locutus? If you tell me it is above 65, I think I am not going to be your friend anymore! Hahahaha. It was 11 this morning when we got up.
Quote from: me on December 20, 2016, 06:56:39 PM
You mean like Trump being President? Hum, seems to me like that ended up being fact.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 15, 2016, 01:56:12 PM
You really don't know how wrong you are, do you?
The electoral college system was designed as a preventative measure to protect the republic from unqualified and dangerous candidates like Trump who successfully dupe voters like you. :wink:
But I suppose it's too much to ask for you to understand that when you didn't even know what it would take to impose term limits on members of Congress. :rolleyes:
I almost forgot about this post.......and WOW, once again, you got to be so damn arrogant....you may learn someday.. :razz:
I found this article and it explains it beautifully....
:http://theweek.com/articles/668508/electoral-college-actually-awesome (http://theweek.com/articles/668508/electoral-college-actually-awesome)The Electoral College is actually awesome by
Edward Morrissey
The left's whiplash over the Electoral College has finally culminated in complete incoherence.
At first, Democrats and the media barely paid any attention to the constitutional structure of presidential elections, assuming that Hillary Clinton would win handily thanks to the "blue wall" of Rust Belt states and supposedly superior funding and organization.
When she lost, Democrats at first decried the representative nature of the Electoral College — and then tried to exploit it with a campaign to convince electors to switch their votes away from Donald Trump.
That "faithless elector" project wound up backfiring on Clinton supporters and Trump opponents. While activists predicted a significant drain of support from Trump — activist attorney Larry Lessig claimed (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-electors-lessig-232598) that nearly two dozen electors had contacted his organization for potential legal support — only two electors changed their vote from Trump, both in Texas.
Meanwhile, Clinton lost five electors from three different states, which had the net effect of increasing Trump's margin of victory from 74 electoral votes to 77 (306-232 to 304-227).Now that electors have fulfilled their roles almost entirely as written, Trump opponents have shifted away from casting the Electoral College as a last bulwark against the bad choices of the voters, and back to a historical anachronism that defeats the purpose of democracy.
While electors gathered to cast their votes and it became clear that the faithless-elector project had laid an egg,
The New York Times editorial board demanded an end to the Electoral College.
By overwhelming majorities, Americans would prefer to elect the president by direct popular vote, not filtered through the antiquated mechanism of the Electoral College. They understand, on a gut level, the basic fairness of awarding the nation's highest office on the same basis as every other elected office — to the person who gets the most votes. But for now, the presidency is still decided by 538 electors. [The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/19/opinion/time-to-end-the-electoral-college.html)]That argument is flat-out wrong. The presidency doesn't get decided by the personal whims of 538 electors, but by the voters in the states they represent.
In fact, that was precisely what Trump's opponents and those who now want to eliminate the Electoral College
hoped would happen.
They invented a new purpose for the institution as a check on popular votes within each state rather than a direct representation of them, trying to convince electors that they had a duty to oppose Trump.
It didn't work, in large part because it ignores how electors get chosen. Voters do not cast ballots for electors; the names they see on the ballot are the nominees of each party, who select their own electors for their own slate.
Generally speaking, electors come from the ranks of party officials and activists whose loyalty is unquestioned. As we saw in the vote, those assumptions proved to be 98.7 percent valid.
The
Times' editorial also highlighted the supposed unfairness of not "using the same basis as every other elected office." The reason for this is that the presidency is not at all "like every other national office" — and it never has been.
Unlike governors, whose state governments have total sovereignty within their borders, the presidency governs over states with their own sovereignty under the Constitution. The role of the presidency is at least somewhat limited to foreign policy and questions that are at least loosely connected to interstate issues and enforcement of other provisions of the Constitution.
For that reason, the framers of the Constitution wanted to ensure that the president would have the greatest consensus
among the sovereign states themselves, while still including representation based on population.
That is why each state gets the same number of electors as they have seats in the House and the Senate. It reduces the advantage that larger states have, but hardly eliminates it entirely; California has 55 electors while Wyoming has only three, to use the
Times' comparison.
Rather than being an "antiquated system," as they write, it's an elegant system that helps balance power between sovereign states with national popular intent, and it forces presidential contenders to appeal to a broader range of populations.
The editorial points out that Republican votes in San Francisco are "worthless" under the current system. But that has more to do with the way the states choose to allocate electors than it does the Electoral College.
California and 47 other states allocate electors on a winner-take-all basis, which gives their states much more power in presidential elections. States could choose other allocation schemes if they want to prioritize "democracy" and proportional representation over influence, but none of the high-population states do so.
In this case, the nature of the popular-vote lead is instructive on why smaller states won't go along with the
Times' demand to end the Electoral College. Clinton won the overall popular vote by nearly 3 million, but won California by 4.3 million and New York by 1.7 million.
Donald Trump won 30 of the 50 states. Relying on the popular vote would have voters in the largest states determine the outcome and lock out the majority of the states, as it would have in 2016.A popular-vote system would change the entire dynamic of presidential campaigns. Rather than spending time in states with smaller populations, candidates would spend their time trying to fight it out in the most populous locations.
That might be good news for California, New York, and Texas, but it's bad news for most of the South and Midwest. Had a popular-vote system been in place in 2016, the Trump campaign would have oriented itself toward it and might have competed more in coastal Democratic strongholds, wasting less effort in other states.
Instead, the Electoral College system worked exactly as intended. The candidate who built the best consensus among the states through their popular votes won the presidency. The problem for the Times and others opposed to the outcome is that their candidate didn't beat the winner.
That article is myopic Hank.
He's describing one of the purposes of the Electoral College while flat out lying about the other. The other purpose, as intended by the founders, is exactly what I described to you. The founders, as Hamilton duly stated, intended the electoral college to be a deliberative body in the manner that I described in my post. They had a clear fear that a charismatic tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come into power. Alexander Hamilton described these concerns in the Federalist Papers.
Do you believe the guy who wrote the above, or the words of Alexander Hamilton himself? :rolleyes:
You should take the time to do some reading outside of your comfort zone. You may learn something someday. :wink:
And yes, given Hamilton's own words, this statement still holds:
Quote from: Locutus on December 15, 2016, 01:56:12 PM
The electoral college system was designed as a preventative measure to protect the republic from unqualified and dangerous candidates like Trump who successfully dupe voters like you. :wink:
Here's a link to Federalist 68:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp
Read it.
In it, Hamilton states:
These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?
That sounds strikingly familiar with what happened in this election, does it not?
Quote from: Locutus on December 21, 2016, 01:01:44 PM
Here's a link to Federalist 68:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp
Read it.
In it, Hamilton states:
These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union?
That sounds strikingly familiar with what happened in this election, does it not?
No more than Obama 2008....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 21, 2016, 02:20:16 PM
No more than Obama 2008....
How did a foreign power attempt to intervene in the election in 2008?
Quote from: Locutus on December 21, 2016, 02:21:24 PM
How did a foreign power attempt to intervene in the election in 2008?
Fuck, he don't know. :rolleyes: He's talking out of his ass as usual. :yes: If he had a brain, it would be the size of a walnut and just as hard. :smash: :haha: Ole Sphincter Bird Henry. :flap:
Quote from: Locutus on December 21, 2016, 12:55:09 PM
And yes, given Hamilton's own words, this statement still holds:
Quote from: Locutus on December 21, 2016, 12:52:36 PM
That article is myopic Hank.
He's describing one of the purposes of the Electoral College while flat out lying about the other. The other purpose, as intended by the founders, is exactly what I described to you. The founders, as Hamilton duly stated, intended the electoral college to be a deliberative body in the manner that I described in my post. They had a clear fear that a charismatic tyrant could manipulate public opinion and come into power. Alexander Hamilton described these concerns in the Federalist Papers.
Do you believe the guy who wrote the above, or the words of Alexander Hamilton himself? :rolleyes:
You should take the time to do some reading outside of your comfort zone. You may learn something someday. :wink:
Listen and quit being pompous...I have read plenty and fully understand. Hamilton WANTED electors in place to assure a quality POTUS was elected.......and that is exactly what happened. The electors CAST their electoral votes for Trump...with 304 votes...you just didn't get your way so you are dreaming up errors and mishaps and whatever...
Our forefathers did NOT want a majority MOB rule...the electoral college works.......it keeps a mob rule majority like California from deciding who wins the election.....this was smaller states have a voice.....if California was NOT included, Trump wins the popular vote by over a million.
We are the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.......NOT Amerika.
Quote from: Locutus on December 21, 2016, 02:21:24 PM
How did a foreign power attempt to intervene in the election in 2008?
How did they attempt to intervene in the election in 2016? They didn't...and there is NO proof that they did.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 21, 2016, 02:47:08 PM
How did they attempt to intervene in the election in 2016? They didn't...and there is NO proof that they did.
So you, like 'me', know more than the intelligence community? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 21, 2016, 02:45:48 PM
Listen and quit being pompous...I have read plenty and fully understand. Hamilton WANTED electors in place to assure a quality POTUS was elected.......and that is exactly what happened. The electors CAST their electoral votes for Trump...with 304 votes...you just didn't get your way so you are dreaming up errors and mishaps and whatever...
Our forefathers did NOT want a majority MOB rule...the electoral college works.......it keeps a mob rule majority like California from deciding who wins the election.....this was smaller states have a voice.....if California was NOT included, Trump wins the popular vote by over a million.
We are the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.......NOT Amerika.
Do you think the electoral college functions today in the same manner as it was intended by the founders? That being a deliberative body? I certainly don't think that it is.
BTW, nothing that I've stated here should be taken as my advocating for the abolishment of the electoral college.
https://www.youtube.com/v/CcONbSgMfAg
Quote from: Locutus on December 21, 2016, 03:39:43 PM
Do you think the electoral college functions today in the same manner as it was intended by the founders?
To some degree, YES! It still serves to give each state a voice in the presidential election...which was a major function by the founders...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 21, 2016, 04:20:22 PM
To some degree, YES! It still serves to give each state a voice in the presidential election...which was a major function by the founders...
How about as a deliberative body, if it were necessary?
When someone can bet a :pigdance: by Three million votes and lose the race, there is something wrong, big time. :rant:
Quote from: Locutus on December 21, 2016, 04:30:29 PM
How about as a deliberative body, if it were necessary?
Give me an example........I think our forefathers feared any potential of Tyranny...and this IS playing with fire...IMO.
Quote from: me on December 18, 2016, 06:39:37 PM
Oh I'm soooo impressed....NOT!!!!
This from someone who accomplished nothing in life. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on December 20, 2016, 12:04:23 PM
Why do libs have the idea that only they are well educated and smarter than anyone else?
Using this forum as a microcosm of society in general absolutely illustrates that fact.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 21, 2016, 02:45:48 PM
I have read plenty and fully understand.
I'm calling bullshit. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 22, 2016, 07:59:54 AM
Give me an example........I think our forefathers feared any potential of Tyranny...and this IS playing with fire...IMO.
The founders absolutely did fear a tyrant. That's stated pretty clearly by Hamilton's own words. Why would that be playing with fire?
Quote from: Exterminator on December 22, 2016, 10:21:27 AM
This from someone who accomplished nothing in life. :rolleyes:
You have no clue what I've accomplished. I have no desire for the "high life" and am perfectly content with my low stress comfortable life. Fancy does not impress me in the least nor does money, that is not what life is all about.
Quote from: Locutus on December 22, 2016, 11:12:37 AM
The founders absolutely did fear a tyrant. That's stated pretty clearly by Hamilton's own words. Why would that be playing with fire?
When our EC Delegates would/could actually overturn the "will" of the people to empower someone "they" prefer would INDEED be playing with fire...and tyrannical. It is a double edged sword.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 22, 2016, 10:31:52 AM
I'm calling bullshit. :rolleyes:
Wow! there's a surprise....:rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 22, 2016, 12:58:06 PM
When our EC Delegates would/could actually overturn the "will" of the people to empower someone "they" prefer would INDEED be playing with fire...and tyrannical. It is a double edged sword.
Even though it's their Constitutional responsibility?
The only reason that I agree that it may cause problems is because the electorate is ignorant of even the basics of the way our government is set up.
Quote from: Locutus on December 22, 2016, 01:10:42 PM
Even though it's their Constitutional responsibility?
The only reason that I agree that it may cause problems is because the electorate is ignorant of even the basics of the way our government is set up.
Who is to determine if they are ignorant or not? Just because you or I may not agree doesn't ALWAYS make the other ignorant.
How would you have felt, if our delegates in 2008 would have NOT selected Obama?
Like I said, it is a double edged sword....and while I somewhat understand the reasoning, it is also playing with fire.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 22, 2016, 01:19:30 PM
Who is to determine if they are ignorant or not? Just because you or I may not agree doesn't ALWAYS make the other ignorant.
Ignorance and intelligence can be measured via empirical methods, can they not?
"We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.." --- Donald J. Trump
He said that for a reason - because he should love them. They are a large part of what got him elected. He consistently, and overwhelmingly, led his primary opponents, and HRC, due to his support among the less educated of the electorate.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 22, 2016, 01:19:30 PM
How would you have felt, if our delegates in 2008 would have NOT selected Obama?
Like I said, it is a double edged sword....and while I somewhat understand the reasoning, it is also playing with fire.
The deliberative responsibility of the electoral college should come into play when there is a grossly unqualified and/or dangerous person who has won the vote of the people. However, you can cast your fears aside, because that will
never happen in this day and age. Do you know why that is?
Quote from: Locutus on December 22, 2016, 01:48:27 PM
We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated.." --- Donald J. Trump
With all due respect, are YOU actually that much of a snob? Just because someone is poorly educated, does not make them stupid or invaluable...there are plenty of good Americans who may have not done well in High School, but when on to be excellent members of our society!
Many of these folks are IBEW, that are fantastic and make a wonderful living....Painters, plumbers, farmers, steelworkers, waiters & waitress, mechanics........THESE are the folks that Trump was referring too...but arrogant liberals, once again, seem to think they know MORE than others....
YOUR ilk, are the one's that make this "loophole" in our system dangerous!!!!
THIS is EXACTLY why Trump WON the primaries in a HUGE fashion and a big reason as to why he is our 45th POTUS!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 22, 2016, 01:57:33 PM
With all due respect, are YOU actually that much of a snob? Just because someone is poorly educated, does not make them stupid or invaluable...there are plenty of good Americans who may have not done well in High School, but when on to be excellent members of our society!
Many of these folks are IBEW, that are fantastic and make a wonderful living....Painters, plumbers, farmers, steelworkers, waiters & waitress, mechanics........THESE are the folks that Trump was referring too...but arrogant liberals, once again, seem to think they know MORE than others....
YOUR ilk, are the one's that make this "loophole" in our system dangerous!!!!
THIS is EXACTLY why Trump WON the primaries in a HUGE fashion and a big reason as to why he is our 45th POTUS!!!
Those are Trump's own words Hank, not mine. Like it or not, there are data that support exactly what I said above. ;D
I never said they weren't good members of society, or weren't valuable. Stupid maybe, but I never said those other things.
A more interesting thing to study is
why the less intelligent supported Trump in such large numbers. It probably isn't a factor solely based in stupidity.
I have no doubt that some of those folks have been facing a real and worsening struggle in the past several years to make ends meet and put food on the table. Then, along comes Trump who says, "You're right! You're not getting your fair share! It sucks! And I'm going to stand up for you!"
So without doing any real thinking or analysis of what Donald Trump was saying, because most of the things he was saying were lies, they vote for him because he's telling them what they want to hear. Nothing more; nothing less.
The coal miners voted for him because he said he'll bring coal back. He can't do that obviously, but they didn't care.
The bigots voted for him because he wants to ban Muslims from entering the country and add them to watch lists. That's borderline unconstitutional, but they didn't care.
You voted for him in part because he said he would impose term limits on Congress. He can't do that either, but you didn't care. :razz:
There are many factors that led to his election, but you can't deny that a majority of the less intelligent supported him because there are data that support exactly that. :wink:
Where do you think Edgar Maddison Welch, who shot up a DC pizza restaurant because he thought Hillary Clinton and her campaign chief were running a child sex ring from the restaurant's backrooms, lies on the IQ scale? Here's a clue: not very high.
Locutus, it was no different when Obama was appealing to the "POOR" with his "Hope & Change" malarkey....he was playing to the less intelligent crowd too (by your standards anyway)....
If you want to get down to it....you are being extremely hypocritical here.
Let's call it like it is.......you are saying that the white people who voted for him are ignorant. Right?
But, the folks (black folks) who voted for Obama were educated? Right?
It seems like you are being extremely racist and bigoted with your insinuations....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 22, 2016, 02:35:26 PM
Locutus, it was no different when Obama was appealing to the "POOR" with his "Hope & Change" malarkey....he was playing to the less intelligent crowd too (by your standards anyway)....
If you want to get down to it....you are being extremely hypocritical here.
Hypocritical means criticizing others for behavior of which you yourself are guilty. So I'm definitely
not being hypocritical. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 22, 2016, 02:35:26 PM
Let's call it like it is.......you are saying that the white people who voted for him are ignorant. Right?
But, the folks (black folks) who voted for Obama were educated? Right?
It seems like you are being extremely racist and bigoted with your insinuations....
I'm saying that data support the fact that the less educated supported Trump in large numbers. That's definitely true.
I would have to go back and research the demographics of Obama's supporters in order to speak further to that. Maybe I'll do that this weekend.
Nothing in what I've said, however, is racist or bigoted. That's simply your perception, and it's a faulty one. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on December 22, 2016, 02:43:42 PM
Hypocritical means criticizing others for behavior of which you yourself are guilty. So I'm definitely not being hypocritical. ;D
I'm saying that data support the fact that the less educated supported Trump in large numbers. That's definitely true.
I would have to go back and research the demographics of Obama's supporters in order to speak further to that. Maybe I'll do that this weekend.
Nothing in what I've said, however, is racist or bigoted. That's simply your perception, and it's a faulty one. :wink:
Listen, I know you and I know you are not a racist or a bigot, nor do I think you are intentionally being hypocritical...
I don't have statistics, but as you know, many of Obama's voters were poor blacks...and we know many of them are not college students and many, statistically are high school drop outs......but, I'm not insinuating as YOU did, that they are stupid....but, just as YOU are implying that Trump was reaching out to the stupid white folk, Obama was doing the same thing with his hope & change thing...
Right?
I'm not sure because I haven't seen the data as recently as I've seen the data on Trump supporters. The reasons and demographics on Obama's supporters are out there. Like I said, maybe I'll look it up this weekend.
This guy needs a boot shampoo. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/12/23/trump-friend-and-n-y-campaign-co-chair-says-he-wants-obama-dead-of-mad-cow-disease-in-2017/)
It goes to show you that anyone who supports or voted Trump :pigdance: is a fucking idiot. :choo:
:biggrin:
Amen. Wished I could add those cool images to my posts. :eek:
Quote from: Cottontail on December 25, 2016, 04:37:50 PM
Amen. Wished I could add those cool images to my posts. :eek:
Oh, that's easy, just go above quote to more with cursor, press and enlarge page of images and pick the one you want. :tiphat:
He hasn't even taken office and we are already better off....
Ford to scrap Mexico plant, invest in Michigan due to Trump policies
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/03/ford-to-scrap-mexico-plant-invest-in-michigan-due-to-trump-policies.html
Ford Motor Company on Tuesday announced plans to cancel the building of a $1.3 billion plant in Mexico and instead invest $700 million in a Michigan assembly plant, directly tying the decision to "pro-growth policies" championed by President-elect Donald Trump.
Trump had previously been critical of Ford's plans to build in Mexico.
CEO Mark Fields, speaking at an event at the Flat Rock Assembly Plant, said the policies that Trump "and the new Congress have indicated they will pursue" were vital to the company's decision.
"We believe these tax and regulatory reforms are necessary to boost U.S. competitiveness," Fields said.
The investment in the Flat Rock plant is set to create 700 jobs, according to Fields. The money will be used to open a new factory used to build high-tech autonomous and electric vehicles as well as the Mustang and Lincoln Continental, the company said in a press release.
"I am thrilled that we have been able to secure additional UAW-Ford jobs for American workers," UAW Vice President Jimmy Settles said in the release. "The men and women of Flat Rock Assembly have shown a great commitment to manufacturing quality products, and we look forward to their continued success with a new generation of high-tech vehicles."
I know it hurts you guys to say ANYTHING positive, but THIS is a GREAT thing!!!! Why isn't anyone excited about this!!!
This is EXACTLY what we ALL should be wanting to hear!!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 03, 2017, 04:55:19 PM
I know it hurts you guys to say ANYTHING positive, but THIS is a GREAT thing!!!! Why isn't anyone excited about this!!!
This is EXACTLY what we ALL should be wanting to hear!!!!
You actually think that Trump stopped :stop: Ford Motor Company from going to Mexico. :doh: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on January 03, 2017, 05:04:07 PM
You actually think that Trump stopped :stop: Ford Motor Company from going to Mexico. :doh: :haha: :haha:
According to CEO of Ford, Mark Fields, he wasn't the main reason, BUT......"We see the pro-growth policies that he's proposing. So, this is a vote of confidence in what we think the president-elect is going to pursue and it's right for our business," .....if Hillary was elected, they probably would STILL be heading the bulk, to Mexico.
His words, not mine.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 04, 2017, 08:34:15 AM
According to CEO of Ford, Mark Fields, he wasn't the main reason, BUT......"We see the pro-growth policies that he's proposing. So, this is a vote of confidence in what we think the president-elect is going to pursue and it's right for our business," .....if Hillary was elected, they probably would STILL be heading the bulk, to Mexico.
His words, not mine.
According to Reuters: "Ford Chief Executive Mark Fields said the decision to cancel the new Mexico factory was the result of sagging demand for small cars in North America and not because Trump was elected president. He told Fox Business that
the automaker would have made the same decision even if Trump had not been elected."
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 04, 2017, 01:02:02 PM
According to Reuters: "Ford Chief Executive Mark Fields said the decision to cancel the new Mexico factory was the result of sagging demand for small cars in North America and not because Trump was elected president. He told Fox Business that the automaker would have made the same decision even if Trump had not been elected."
Welll, he also said this: "We see the pro-growth policies that he's proposing. So, this is a vote of confidence in what we think the president-elect is going to pursue and it's right for our business,"...so it did indeed, influence their decision. That is all I'm saying. Trump is having a POSITIVE influence on our economy, before he has taken office.
Which you can hate him all you want, but this IS a GOOD thing for America.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 04, 2017, 01:42:05 PM
Welll, he also said this: "We see the pro-growth policies that he's proposing. So, this is a vote of confidence in what we think the president-elect is going to pursue and it's right for our business,"...so it did indeed, influence their decision. That is all I'm saying. Trump is having a POSITIVE influence on our economy, before he has taken office.
Which you can hate him all you want, but this IS a GOOD thing for America.
You're repeating yourself. I read it the first time. YOU are the one who said
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 04, 2017, 08:34:15 AM
if Hillary was elected, they probably would STILL be heading the bulk, to Mexico.
His words, not mine.
Which is why I posted what I did. They were going to do it anyway. Also in Reuters: "Ford Chief Executive Mark Fields said the decision to cancel the new Mexico factory was the result of sagging demand for small cars in North America". Hmmm, could he have said it was a vote of confidence to get on Trump's good side? Just a thought! :wink:
So now we've gone from Mexico paying for the wall to asking Congress to appropriate funds for the wall that Mexico will pay back, like that's ever going to happen. Prepare for the deficit to start climbing again as these conservative clowns spend money they don't have.
How long before his voters finally figure out that they've had a huge con pulled on them, and that they've been lied to?
Quote from: Exterminator on January 06, 2017, 12:05:26 PM
So now we've gone from Mexico paying for the wall to asking Congress to appropriate funds for the wall that Mexico will pay back, like that's ever going to happen. Prepare for the deficit to start climbing again as these conservative clowns spend money they don't have.
Pay for the WallIntroduction
: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326
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the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity
documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the
executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120
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121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year
after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United
States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico.
There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands
of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation.
By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse -thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty -our
approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy.
Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are
issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.
Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and
committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost.
We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.
Quote from: Locutus on January 06, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
How long before his voters finally figure out that they've had a huge con pulled on them, and that they've been lied to?
How long until you guys figure out that 'just maybe' you were wrong and don't know everything and that Trump IS making America Great Again? HUH?
Quote from: Locutus on January 06, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
How long before his voters finally figure out that they've had a huge con pulled on them, and that they've been lied to?
Never because they're stupid.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 06, 2017, 12:35:41 PM
How long until you guys figure out that 'just maybe' you were wrong and don't know everything and that Trump IS making America Great Again? HUH?
BTW Chicken Hawk, did you read where Trump :hogslop: has ask congress to find a way to pay for the wall using taxpayer money. :huh1:
You know Mr. Chicken, everything you say needs to be metered. :det:
You do know Mr. Chicken when the chickens are out in the cow lot they will pick the corn out of the cow shit to eat. Being good peckers, even these good peckers will get a little shit with ever grain of corn. :yes: But with you Mr. Chicken you miss the corn all together and get nothing but the shit. :haha: :haha:
Congratulations, Trump supporters! You are every bit as much Putin's little bitches (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/intelligence-report-putin-election/index.html) as Trump is.
They're all too dumb to care. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 03, 2017, 11:52:51 AM
He hasn't even taken office and we are already better off....
Tell that to the 4,000 Limited store employees who just lost their jobs. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/01/06/the-limited-is-closing-all-of-its-250-stores/?utm_term=.3deacada38a9)
Truth! (https://www.facebook.com/therachelmaddowshow/videos/10154017965529067/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED)
Quote from: Exterminator on January 08, 2017, 02:13:25 PM
Tell that to the 4,000 Limited store employees who just lost their jobs. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/01/06/the-limited-is-closing-all-of-its-250-stores/?utm_term=.3deacada38a9)
And it happened under Obama's watch, Trump hasn't taken over yet so not his fault.
Quote from: me on January 08, 2017, 07:33:39 PM
And it happened under Obama's watch, Trump hasn't taken over yet so not his fault.
Yeah. . . Keep telling yourself that. . . :roll eyes:
The fact is these excise taxes the Raging Cheeto is publicly threatening automakers with via social media, are at minimum partially to blame. . . Stores like the one Ex posted, along with retailers across the board, are shaking in their boots because they know what such a move means to them. . . Do you? (You will eventually).
Quote from: Exterminator on January 08, 2017, 02:55:42 PM
Truth! (https://www.facebook.com/therachelmaddowshow/videos/10154017965529067/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED)
I just listened to what Justice Souter had to say, and yes, :spooked: he was "frighteningly prescient." Thanks for posting it. I missed Rachel that night.
Quote from: me on January 08, 2017, 07:33:39 PM
And it happened under Obama's watch, Trump hasn't taken over yet so not his fault.
If Henry is going to give Trump credit for jobs created before he takes office, he has to also hold him responsible for those lost. You can't have it both ways. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 09, 2017, 07:33:22 AM
If Henry is going to give Trump credit for jobs created before he takes office, he has to also hold him responsible for those lost. You can't have it both ways. :rolleyes:
Just apply common sense first, then get back to me.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 09, 2017, 08:21:22 AM
Just apply common sense first, then get back to me.
That is common sense to anyone not sitting around fantasizing about the man.
It's also interesting to note that the majority of Sears/K Mart and Macy's stores that are closing are in red states.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 09, 2017, 10:24:48 AM
That is common sense to anyone not sitting around fantasizing about the man.
It's also interesting to note that the majority of Sears/K Mart and Macy's stores that are closing are in red states.
Please explain what that has to do with Trump since he hasn't taken office yet.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 09, 2017, 07:33:22 AM
If Henry is going to give Trump credit for jobs created before he takes office, he has to also hold him responsible for those lost. You can't have it both ways. :rolleyes:
Another thing, I'M NOT the one giving him credit, it is CEO's of these companies that are giving him credit.... Go back and read, everyone of my posts on these have LINKS with QUOTES claiming Trump has something to do with certain companies staying...or companies NOT leaving.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 09, 2017, 11:01:45 AM
Another thing, I'M NOT the one giving him credit, it is CEO's of these companies that are giving him credit.... . . .
Not the CEO of Ford Motor Company, who stated publicly that Trump's tweets had nothing to do with their business planning decision; plans and decisions like this one are made 4-5 years in advance, so his tweeted threats had zero to do with it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 09, 2017, 11:01:45 AM
Another thing, I'M NOT the one giving him credit, it is CEO's of these companies that are giving him credit.... Go back and read, everyone of my posts on these have LINKS with QUOTES claiming Trump has something to do with certain companies staying...or companies NOT leaving.
Henry, I addressed this and Ford said Trump didn't have anything to do with it.
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 04, 2017, 01:02:02 PM
According to Reuters: "Ford Chief Executive Mark Fields said the decision to cancel the new Mexico factory was the result of sagging demand for small cars in North America and not because Trump was elected president. He told Fox Business that the automaker would have made the same decision even if Trump had not been elected."
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 04, 2017, 05:11:49 PM
You're repeating yourself. I read it the first time. YOU are the one who said Which is why I posted what I did. They were going to do it anyway. Also in Reuters: "Ford Chief Executive Mark Fields said the decision to cancel the new Mexico factory was the result of sagging demand for small cars in North America". Hmmm, could he have said it was a vote of confidence to get on Trump's good side? Just a thought! :wink:
A partial repeat of above. Like PH said, plans like this are made well in advance. The sagging demand for small cars didn't happen overnight.
Abby, I too, addressed this: YES, HE DID have something to do with it...
Ford Motor Company announced Tuesday it will cancel a $1.6 billion plant planned for Mexico and will instead invest $700 million in a Michigan assembly plant, directly tying the decision to "pro-growth policies" championed by President-elect Donald Trump.
"We're doing this decision based on what's right for our business," Ford CEO Mark Fields told Neil Cavuto (http://www.foxnews.com/shows/your-world-cavuto.html) on Fox Business Network. "As we think about the investments here in Michigan, as you can imagine, Neil, we look at a lot of factors as we make those. One of the factors that we're looking at is a more positive U.S. manufacturing business environment under President-elect Trump and some of the pro-growth policies he said he's going to pursue. And so this is a vote of confidence."
I have MERELY pointed out, a POSITIVE for Trump....THIS is the attitude that MANY, MANY business are looking for, to return jobs back to the USA.....
U.S. Small-Business Optimism Index Surges by Most Since 1980 (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-10/u-s-small-business-optimism-index-surges-by-most-since-1980)
Optimism among America's small businesses soared in December by the most since 1980 as expectations about the economy's prospects improved dramatically in the aftermath of the presidential election.
The National Federation of Independent Business's index jumped 7.4 points last month to 105.8, the highest since the end of 2004, from 98.4. While seven of the 10 components increased in December, 73 percent of the monthly advance was due to more upbeat views about the outlook for sales and the economy, the Washington-based group said.
The share of business owners who say now is a good time to expand is three times the average of the current expansion, according to the NFIB's data. More companies also said they plan to increase investment and keep hiring, which reflects optimism surrounding President-elect Donald Trump's plans of spurring the economy through deregulation, tax reform and infrastructure spending.
"We haven't seen numbers like this in a long time," Juanita Duggan, president and chief executive of the NFIB, said in a statement. "Small business is ready for a breakout, and that can only mean very good things for the U.S. economy. Business owners are feeling better about taking risks and making investments."
The NFIB report was based on a survey of 619 small-business owners through Dec. 28. Small companies represent more than 99 percent of all U.S employers, according to the U.S. Small Business Administration. A small business is defined as an independent enterprise with no more than 500 employees.
Fifty percent of respondents, the biggest share since March 2002, said they expect better business conditions in the next six months. That was 38 percentage points higher than in November. The net share of firms projecting higher sales jumped by 20 points to 31 percent. Some 29 percent say they will boost capital outlays within six months.
I'm watching a bit of the Jeff Sessions confirmation hearings and it makes me want to puke. He has no business being the AG of the United States. :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on January 10, 2017, 01:01:26 PM
I'm watching a bit of the Jeff Sessions confirmation hearings and it makes me want to puke. He has no business being the AG of the United States. :mad:
Why?
There are SEVERAL black pastors who are there to support him.......give me some reasons as to why you think he has no business being the AG.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 10, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
Why?
There are SEVERAL black pastors who are there to support him.......give me some reasons as to why you think he has no business being the AG.
Seriously? I try so hard to get you to think, but I never succeed. :rolleyes:
Let alone the fact that he's being vetted by a bunch of old, backslapping, racist, patronizing, fearful and hate-mongering men, let's just examine some of Sessions' positions setting his obvious racism aside.
- He opposes criminal justice reform bills.
- He has an extreme fondness for civil asset forfeiture.
- He has an inherent, almost reflexive, defense of police from federal civil rights oversight.
- He embraces the drug war despite clear evidence that it's not working.
- He has a regressive stance on marijuana legalization.
Every single one of these positions is antithetical to a free society, and they are all harmful to poor and minority communities in particular.
Give me something more difficult next time.
Quote from: Locutus on January 10, 2017, 02:38:19 PM
Seriously? I try so hard to get you to think, but I never succeed. :rolleyes:
Let alone the fact that he's being vetted by a bunch of old, backslapping, racist, patronizing, fearful and hate-mongering men, let's just examine some of Sessions' positions setting his obvious racism aside.
- He opposes criminal justice reform bills.
- He has an extreme fondness for civil asset forfeiture.
- He has an inherent, almost reflexive, defense of police from federal civil rights oversight.
- He embraces the drug war despite clear evidence that it's not working.
- He has a regressive stance on marijuana legalization.
Every single one of these positions is antithetical to a free society, and they are all harmful to poor and minority communities in particular.
Give me something more difficult next time.
Let's face it, he's a red neck Southern racist asshole. Plain and simple, just listen to the way he talks. :hick: :blah: :hogslop: :zoners:
Give you more time? you mean more time to cut & paste your collective thoughts? :rolleyes:
You need to get new excuses..the racist old white guy thing isn't working anymore....they are not hate-mongering either....well at least no more hate-mongering than the liberals are. :rolleyes:
I can honestly say that when it comes to racist AG's....Loretta Lynch and Eric Holder are at the top of the list.
Quote from: The Troll on January 10, 2017, 03:39:34 PM
Let's face it, he's a red neck Southern racist asshole. Plain and simple, just listen to the way he talks.
THIS right here is ANOTHER why you democrats got your asses handed to you in November........."Just listen to the way he talks".... :rolleyes: Really? :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 10, 2017, 03:51:34 PM
Give you more time? you mean more time to cut & paste your collective thoughts? :rolleyes:
You need to get new excuses..the racist old white guy thing isn't working anymore....they are not hate-mongering either....well at least no more hate-mongering than the liberals are. :rolleyes:
I can honestly say that when it comes to racist AG's....Loretta Lynch and Eric Holder are at the top of the list.
There was nothing cut and paste about what I posted Hank. Unlike you, I'm perfectly capable of expressing my own thoughts sans the help of others. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on January 10, 2017, 02:38:19 PM
Give me something more difficult next time.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 10, 2017, 03:51:34 PM
Give you more time?
And you think I'm kidding when I say he's illiterate? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on January 10, 2017, 03:59:28 PM
There was nothing cut and paste about what I posted Hank. Unlike you, I'm perfectly capable of expressing my own thoughts sans the help of others. :rolleyes:
bullcrap! You copied almost every word verbatim.
http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/09/sessions-could-face-sharp-questions-over
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 10, 2017, 04:07:46 PM
bullcrap! You copied almost every word verbatim.
http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/09/sessions-could-face-sharp-questions-over
Verbatim? :rotfl:
You're hopeless Hank.
Quote from: Locutus on January 10, 2017, 04:28:08 PM
Verbatim? :rotfl:
You're hopeless Hank.
Uh, yeah...verbatim :yes: .........don't distract the fact that you DID copy & paste YOUR alleged "original" thoughts.............. :rolleyes:
This whole Trump victory really has you on the ropes, doesn't it :razz:
from the article I posted a link too...
The conservative commentariat has been less than enthusiastic about Sessions' nomination to lead the Justice Department. National Review's Michael Tanner wrote (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443499/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-record-troubling-libertarians-conservatives?utm_source=jolt&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Jolt+1%2F4%2F2017&utm_term=Jolt) last week that "red flags in Sessions's record that should worry those who believe in limited government and individual liberty," noting his opposition to criminal justice reform bills, his fondness for civil asset forfeiture, his reflexive defense of police from federal civil rights oversight, his embrace of the drug war, and his regressive stance on marijuana legalization.
I thought you were perfectly capable of expressing your own thought? You are just another Parrot, that you accuse me and me (no pun intended) of....Your thought sure seem like Michael Tanners thoughts...
.. :razz:
- He opposes criminal justice reform bills.
- He has an extreme fondness for civil asset forfeiture.
- He has an inherent, almost reflexive, defense of police from federal civil rights oversight.
- He embraces the drug war despite clear evidence that it's not working.
- He has a regressive stance on marijuana legalization.
:rotfl:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 10, 2017, 04:47:34 PM
Uh, yeah...verbatim :yes: .........don't distract the fact that you DID copy & paste YOUR alleged "original" thoughts.............. :rolleyes:
This whole Trump victory really has you on the ropes, doesn't it :razz:
from the article I posted a link too...
The conservative commentariat has been less than enthusiastic about Sessions' nomination to lead the Justice Department. National Review's Michael Tanner wrote (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443499/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-record-troubling-libertarians-conservatives?utm_source=jolt&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Jolt+1%2F4%2F2017&utm_term=Jolt) last week that "red flags in Sessions's record that should worry those who believe in limited government and individual liberty," noting his opposition to criminal justice reform bills, his fondness for civil asset forfeiture, his reflexive defense of police from federal civil rights oversight, his embrace of the drug war, and his regressive stance on marijuana legalization.
I thought you were perfectly capable of expressing your own thought? You are just another Parrot, that you accuse me and me (no pun intended) of....Your thought sure seem like Michael Tanners thoughts..... :razz:
- He opposes criminal justice reform bills.
- He has an extreme fondness for civil asset forfeiture.
- He has an inherent, almost reflexive, defense of police from federal civil rights oversight.
- He embraces the drug war despite clear evidence that it's not working.
- He has a regressive stance on marijuana legalization.
:rotfl:
You are projecting an increasing proclivity (publicly) for assuming the very same social/civil etiquette as the Raging Cheeto. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 10, 2017, 03:53:11 PM
THIS right here is ANOTHER why you democrats got your asses handed to you in November........."Just listen to the way he talks".... :rolleyes: Really? :no:
Popular vote serves as empirical evidence of the fallacy of the foundation of your theory, thusly disproving same and validating former.
I clearly recall your own vitriolic postings within the same vein, directed at the outgoing POTUS. . . :rolleyes:
Wonder what tomorrow will bring? When I turned off my TV about an hour ago, news talkers on MSNBC were speculating about some startling new information: Attached to a classified brief given to President Obama and Donald Trump by security officials was a 2 page document that supposedly contains information about Trump that could be devastating -- something about him and the Russians.
Quote from: libby on January 10, 2017, 10:09:33 PM
Wonder what tomorrow will bring? When I turned off my TV about an hour ago, news talkers on MSNBC were speculating about some startling new information: Attached to a classified brief given to President Obama and Donald Trump by security officials was a 2 page document that supposedly contains information about Trump that could be devastating -- something about him and the Russians.
Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings.
The allegations were presented in a two-page synopsis that was appended to a report on Russian interference in the 2016 election. The allegations came, in part, from memos compiled by a former British intelligence operative, whose past work US intelligence officials consider credible. The FBI is investigating the credibility and accuracy of these allegations, which are based primarily on information from Russian sources, but has not confirmed many essential details in the memos about Mr. Trump.
The classified briefings last week were presented by four of the senior-most US intelligence chiefs -- Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, FBI Director James Comey, CIA Director John Brennan, and NSA Director Admiral Mike Rogers.
One reason the nation's intelligence chiefs took the extraordinary step of including the synopsis in the briefing documents was to make the President-elect aware that such allegations involving him are circulating among intelligence agencies, senior members of Congress and other government officials in Washington.
These senior intelligence officials also included the synopsis to demonstrate that Russia had compiled information potentially harmful to both political parties, but only released information damaging to Hillary Clinton and Democrats. This synopsis was not an official part of the report from the intelligence community case about Russian hacks, but some officials said it augmented the evidence that Moscow intended to harm Clinton's candidacy and help Trump's, several officials with knowledge of the briefings.
The two-page synopsis also included allegations that there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government, according to two national security officials.
These same allegations about communications between the Trump campaign and the Russians, mentioned in classified briefings for congressional leaders last year, prompted then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid to send a letter to FBI Director Comey in October, in which he wrote, "It has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government -- a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States.". . .
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/index.html)
Puppet for Russia. . .
Here are the key points you need to know about the intelligence documents on President-elect Donald Trump and Russia:
• Most of the information in the documents comes from a single source, a former intelligence officer for a western country who specialized in Russian counter-intelligence.
• The report accuses Russia of "cultivating, supporting, and assisting" Trump for "at least five years." It also asserts that Russia has possible "blackmail" information on the president-elect, including sexual and financial misconduct, as well collusion between Trump aides and Kremlin officials during last year's election.
• All of the allegations against Trump are unsubstantiated and unverified.
• Trump described the reports as "fake news" and a "witch hunt."
• Various news organizations have had these documents for months but chose not to publish them because the claims are unsubstantiated. They are coming out now because intelligence officials briefed Trump and Obama about the allegations last week. CNN and Buzzfeed were the first to publish on Tuesday. Mother Jones had published a limited version before the election.
• The decision by intelligence officials to give Trump, President Obama and Republican and Democratic leaders of Congress and the intelligence committees unconfirmed material is very unusual.
. . .http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/01/10/russia-report-what-you-need-know-trump-obama/96422236/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/01/10/russia-report-what-you-need-know-trump-obama/96422236/)
The entire document can be found here (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.pdf)
I am inclined to believe much of the information contained in that report and I also believe there are other actors in our government operating with nefarious intent. Just yesterday I was listening to a Senate hearing in which James Comey, director of the FBI, who, when asked if his agency was investigating whether or not either of the campaigns was in contact with the Russian government, said that, and I quote, "the FBI never comments publicly on open investigations."
Seriously? You did exactly that mere days before the election in an obvious attempt to influence the outcome. Someone clearly has dirt on Comey as well. None of this bodes well for the future of this country.
My reply to an earlier post about the popular vote....
Popular VOTE is exactly why the democrats had their asses handed to them.....it has been this condescending attitude towards blue collar America that delivered the democrats a loss of over 900 state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats....and over 30 states decisively (by popular vote) gave Trump a shocking victory over, what most of the media, and the democrat party believed to be a shoe-in for Hillary.
My prediction is, if the democrat party continues to behave like they currently are (i.e. Hollywood crowd as an example) they will continue to lose more and more.
Just sayin...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 12, 2017, 06:25:02 AM
My reply to an earlier post about the popular vote....
Popular VOTE is exactly why the democrats had their asses handed to them.....it has been this condescending attitude towards blue collar America that delivered the democrats a loss of over 900 state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats....and over 30 states decisively (by popular vote) gave Trump a shocking victory over, what most of the media, and the democrat party believed to be a shoe-in for Hillary.
My prediction is, if the democrat party continues to behave like they currently are (i.e. Hollywood crowd as an example) they will continue to lose more and more.
Just sayin...
You sound like a broken record. :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :koolaid: Trump won because of million and million of dollars the new media gave him, free of charge. The news media, the rich, the FBI, the Russians wanted him to be president. You now have him and you have won. BUT WHAT HAVE YOU WON!!!! :haha: :haha:
It's all yours now Baby Robin. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on January 12, 2017, 11:51:40 AM
You sound like a broken record. :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :koolaid: Trump won because of million and million of dollars the new media gave him, free of charge. The news media, the rich, the FBI, the Russians wanted him to be president. You now have him and you have won. BUT WHAT HAVE YOU WON!!!! :haha: :haha:
It's all yours now Baby Robin. :haha: :haha:
another case in point....this line of logic is SOOOO wrong, yet so many are gullible enough to not see the truth. Fortunately enough of the right folks DID and thus here we are.... ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 12, 2017, 03:36:09 PM
another case in point....this line of logic is SOOOO wrong, yet so many are gullible enough to not see the truth. Fortunately enough of the right folks DID and thus here we are.... ;)
But what have you won and who did you win it with Heeeenry, Trump? :rotfl: It's all yours now, you're going to have to live with it. It's to bad we all have too go along for this bad trip. :titanic: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 16, 2017, 01:00:37 PM
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There is no way that Ringling Brothers circus compete with the Trump 10 ring circus in Washington DC. :tomahit: :music1: :guitarist: :music1: :rock: :music1: :boohoo: :music1: and a drum roll. :drummer: :wait:
All I can say is this, I never EVER disrespected Obama, in the fashion you guys have.......and he ISN'T even POTUS yet. I never posted disrespectful pictures, nor did I EVER call him names. I will admit, I didn't like him as my POTUS, and I did attack his issues and his ability to NOT LEAD.
I will sit by and watch our country become great again. As you guys watched HOPE & CHANGE (NOT HAPPEN).... :razz:
The man has done NOTHING wrong yet but he is attacked VICIOUSLY hour by hour....
I'm going to have fun and sit back and watch many of you eat crow. :yes: Just as I did during the election. ;) ;D
How have any of Obama's policies hurt you personally?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2017, 09:58:42 AM
All I can say is this, I never EVER disrespected Obama, in the fashion you guys have.
That is such bullshit. :rolleyes:
QuoteI will sit by and watch our country become great again.
Great like when, exactly?
QuoteThe man has done NOTHING wrong yet but he is attacked VICIOUSLY hour by hour....
Done nothing wrong? Once again you prove you have zero ethics or morals.
Quote from: Locutus on January 17, 2017, 10:08:10 AM
How have any of Obama's policies hurt you personally?
It has nothing to do with his policies and we all know it.
Quote from: Locutus on January 17, 2017, 10:08:10 AM
How have any of Obama's policies hurt you personally?
Obamacare has forced the cost of our insurance up.....with less coverage.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2017, 11:29:49 AM
Obamacare has forced the cost of our insurance up.....with less coverage.
That's a lie. Obamacare slowed the increases in insurance premiums.
From 2001 to 2006, premiums increased by 63%.
From 2006 to 2011, they increased by 31%.
From 2011 to 2016, they increased by 20%.
If the increases since the ACA followed the same trajectory as the decade preceding its enactment, the premium for a family with employer coverage would be $3,600.00 higher than it is today.
Now, what policies of his have directly affected you (negatively) again?
Well the premiums are still rising faster than wages.....and it becomes a burden upon many with less disposable income. This POLICY HAS INDEED affected me....and millions of others.
The economy is still stagnant with very few GOOD paying jobs being produced....which is ANOTHER Obama policy that is failing the American worker.....he promised good paying jobs and failed.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2017, 01:21:11 PM
Well the premiums are still rising faster than wages.....and it becomes a burden upon many with less disposable income. This POLICY HAS INDEED affected me....and millions of others.
Mine haven't so maybe you should talk to your employer about that.
QuoteThe economy is still stagnant with very few GOOD paying jobs being produced....which is ANOTHER Obama policy that is failing the American worker.....he promised good paying jobs and failed.
Job growth during this administration is unprecedented in the history of the country. In the last quarter of fiscal year 2016, which ended September 30, both wages and GDP growth was up substantially. If you still don't think that's enough, blame Congress. There is only so much a president can do with a Congress whose sole intent was to obstruct anything the POTUS tried to accomplish. Seems the conservative playbook is to do everything they can to insure government doesn't work and then campaign to fix what they fucked up in the first place.
Macy's is laying off 10,000 fairly well-paid employees and Walmart is hiring 10,000 low-paid employees...that will be your Trump economy.
I forgot you are a Economic Wizard and know much more than anyone else.......You should have ran for office!!! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2017, 02:01:40 PM
I forgot you are a Economic Wizard and know much more than anyone else...
I am certainly far better educated in economics than you are.
Quote....You should have ran for office!!! :yes:
* run for office (I'm better educated in English as well :biggrin: )
Quote from: Exterminator on January 17, 2017, 02:04:25 PM
I am certainly far better educated in economics than you are.
* run for office (I'm better educated in English as well :biggrin: )
Ex, I sure wish you and the Bird Brain could have a real debate on who is the smartest in every phase of living and of life. :rolleyes: I think the Bird Boy would score a "F" on who has the best brain and just plain common sense. :yes: :yes: :yes: :biggrin: Exterminator -------->: :no1:
The Big Cluck, :cry: :cry: :cry: cried about not getting a raise in wages for years. I sound like he just got one, but now he's running the whole place. Ex, how would you like for the Baby Robin running your business? :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: I say, I saY this boy doesn't have one brain. :haha:
On the eve of the inauguration, Trump's biographers ponder his refusal to bend his ego to his new office. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/trump-biographers-presidency-legitimate-214655)
Scary.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 19, 2017, 07:39:11 AM
On the eve of the inauguration, Trump's biographers ponder his refusal to bend his ego to his new office. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/trump-biographers-presidency-legitimate-214655)
Ex, in the coming age of :pigdance: Trump. Have you ever thought of quiting your job and going over to where HENRY puts in his time. :haha: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on January 19, 2017, 11:52:57 AM
Ex, in the coming age of Trump. Have you ever thought of quiting your job and going over to where HENRY puts in his time.
Nope! :biggrin:
Get ready. . . the Raging Cheeto is going to address the crowd attending the inaugural concert event. . . :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
As if there were no additional evidence needed that Trump is a narcissistic nutjob, it keeps rolling in anyway. This should cement it.
Trump Sought Military Equipment for Inauguration (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-military-equipment-inauguration_us_58811f4ae4b096b4a23091f7)
Quote from: Locutus on January 20, 2017, 10:29:38 AM
As if there were no additional evidence needed that Trump is a narcissistic nutjob, it keeps rolling in anyway. This should cement it.
Trump Sought Military Equipment for Inauguration (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-military-equipment-inauguration_us_58811f4ae4b096b4a23091f7)
Oh PLEASE!!! Obama wrote the book on narcissism...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 20, 2017, 10:36:14 AM
Oh PLEASE!!! Obama wrote the book on narcissism...
There's absolutely no comparison between the two Hank. If you think there is, it speaks volumes to your intellect.
Do you honestly think that's a good idea? Maybe his lover boy Pukin suggested that to him. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on January 20, 2017, 10:44:23 AM
There's absolutely no comparison between the two Hank. If you think there is, it speaks volumes to your intellect.
His ilk understand the meaning of narcissism about as well as they understand the meaning of fascism. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 20, 2017, 10:36:14 AM
Oh PLEASE!!! Obama wrote the book on narcissism...
Read: uppity negro.
(https://scontent-mia1-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16114093_1213543055367995_3976033721514378943_n.jpg?oh=995ce099a771de6acdae4f42377be35c&oe=59129C5B)
(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/821818768292593664-png__700-1.jpg)
This shit would be hilarious if it weren't so scary. :-\
Quote from: Locutus on January 20, 2017, 11:41:30 AM
This shit would be hilarious if it weren't so scary. :-\
Right?
Let the record show... (http://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/01/19/let-the-record-show/)
That's a great blog post. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 20, 2017, 12:10:56 PM
Let the record show... (http://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/01/19/let-the-record-show/)
Sounds like a paranoid nutjob!!
Great day to be an American!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 20, 2017, 12:22:46 PM
Sounds like a paranoid nutjob!!
Great day to be an American!!!
There are varying degrees of evidence to support every single one of the assertions that guy makes.
Quote from: Locutus on January 20, 2017, 12:27:55 PM
There are varying degrees of evidence to support every single one of the assertions that guy makes.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 20, 2017, 12:39:55 PM
:rolleyes:
Roll your eyes all you want. It doesn't make my statement any less true.
Quote from: Locutus on January 20, 2017, 12:58:42 PM
Roll your eyes all you want. It doesn't make my statement any less true.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 20, 2017, 12:10:56 PM
Let the record show... (http://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/01/19/let-the-record-show/)
Spot on. And I concur 100%.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 20, 2017, 12:22:46 PM
Great day to be an American!!!
Pffffttt!
Only if that whackjob, Herr Drumpf, in his sociopathic narcissism actually decides to do some good for the country instead of himself in order to blow up his self esteem.
Any lawsuits against Herr Drumpf filed over the 'Emoluments Clause' yet?
Quote from: Y on January 20, 2017, 02:35:47 PM
Any lawsuits against Herr Drumpf filed over the 'Emoluments Clause' yet?
I was at the local library the other day and someone mentioned this exact thing as a possibility.
There has been LOTS of concern expressed claiming that since Herr Drumpf is now president he is now in violation of the 'Emoluments Clause'.
BAHAHAHA! (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-inauguration-crowd-size/index.html)
Quote from: Y on January 20, 2017, 03:14:59 PM
There has been LOTS of concern expressed claiming that since Herr Drumpf is now president he is now in violation of the 'Emoluments Clause'.
Of course he is. Neither he nor his supporters care because they don't believe in the Constitution anyway.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 20, 2017, 03:36:14 PM
BAHAHAHA! (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-inauguration-crowd-size/index.html)
Another thing is that from the shots that I saw, nary anything but disgruntled white folks seen in the crowd.
I did see several having the 'religious' experience hearing and viewing their 'Mighty Whitey' jee-zus, though.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 20, 2017, 03:37:01 PM
Of course he is. Neither he nor his supporters care because they don't believe in the Constitution anyway.
Oh they believe in their flawed assessment of the Second Amendment for certain - and for anything they think furthers their crackpot idea of State's Rights. :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 20, 2017, 03:36:14 PM
BAHAHAHA! (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-inauguration-crowd-size/index.html)
Now there's visual for yah. . . :rotfl:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 20, 2017, 03:36:14 PM
BAHAHAHA! (http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-inauguration-crowd-size/index.html)
While watching the inauguration I wondered how the crowd compared and looked it up images for it. Wow. Guess he was disappointed not more showed up.
Hope you don't have an FHA loan Hank.
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/20/trumps-act-president-raise-mortgage-rates-struggling-homeowners.html
Quote from: Locutus on January 20, 2017, 06:07:40 PM
Hope you don't have an FHA loan Hank.
I hope he does! They deserve everything they get.
I have never seen anything in my lifetime that compares to the peaceful protests we are seeing today against Drumpf. The hatred toward this man is well deserved and it is worldwide.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 21, 2017, 05:50:54 PM
I hope he does! They deserve everything they get.
He may very well be in for some deserved comeuppance for the vote he cast.
Sean Spicer's attack on the press yesterday was chilling.
Quote from: Locutus on January 22, 2017, 09:51:47 AM
Sean Spicer's attack on the press yesterday was chilling.
Someone should buy him a suit that fits so he doesn't have to go on national television in his big brother's hand me downs. :biggrin:
Yeah I was taken aback by his outfit myself.
Did you see Kellyanne Conway state this morning that he was presenting "alternative facts?" :roll eyes:
Someone needs to inform that bitch that another word for "alternative facts" is lies.
Quote from: Locutus on January 22, 2017, 01:55:09 PM
Yeah I was taken aback by his outfit myself.
Did you see Kellyanne Conway state this morning that he was presenting "alternative facts?" :roll eyes:
Someone needs to inform that bitch that another word for "alternative facts" is lies.
You can't make this shit up.
Did you see the SNL skit where the guy pretneding to be Putin said her inauguration outfit made her look like she should be holding the door at F.A.O. Schwarz? :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on January 20, 2017, 06:07:40 PM
Hope you don't have an FHA loan Hank.
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/01/20/trumps-act-president-raise-mortgage-rates-struggling-homeowners.html
Doesn't effect existing mortgages just new mortgages. Also when 20% of the principle has been paid it can be dropped from the mortgage.
QuoteOne Of President Trump's First Acts Will Cost Homeowners Millions Of Dollars
Hundreds of thousands of would-be homeowners will be hit with higher costs.
01/20/2017 04:13 pm ET | Updated 1 day ago
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Ben Walsh
Business Reporter, The Huffington Post
Paul Blumenthal
Money in Politics Reporter, The Huffington Post
LUCY NICHOLSON / REUTERS
Donald Trump speaks after being sworn in as the 45th president of the United States.
WASHINGTON ― With what may have been his first presidential order, Donald Trump made it more expensive for working- and middle-class Americans to buy their first homes. The move will increase costs for 750,000 to 850,000 Americans in the next year alone, according to the National Association of Realtors.
The Obama administration had said last week that the Federal Housing Administration would drop the cost of mortgage insurance it sells by almost a third to 0.60 percent. But after Trump took office, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, which oversees the FHA, told lenders the fee cut was off. The reversal of the reduction will mean that homebuyers who borrow $200,000 under the program will see their mortgage insurance fees go up by $500 a year relative to what the Obama administration had ordered, according to figures released by the FHA when the cut was announced.
The reduction was intended to help partially offset the cost of rising mortgage rates and was scheduled to go into effect on Jan. 27. The government sells the insurance in case borrowers default.
The mortgage industry's main lobby group said when the cut was announced that it looked forward to working with the new administration on the issue. Congressional Republicans attacked the move, saying it would cut into the reserves the FHA held against defaults.
Julian Castro, Obama's HUD secretary, said when the fee cut was announced that the FHA's reserve fund had grown by $44 billion in the last four years and that it was time to share these gains with borrowers. Ben Carson, Trump's nominee to run HUD, said in his confirmation hearing that he supported undoing the fee cut, and lending trade publications reported that a reversal was likely.
"We're disappointed in the decision but will continue making the case to reinstate the cut in the months ahead," Bill Brown, the president of the National Association of Realtors, said in a statement to The Huffington Post.
A spokesman for the National Association of Home Builders told HuffPost that it opposes canceling the reduction and it "will work with the Trump team" on the issue. "We feel confident that they will reinstate the reduction," the spokesman said.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-cut-mortgage-insurance_us_5882765ee4b0e3a73568f0a4
Quote from: Y on January 20, 2017, 02:35:47 PM
Any lawsuits against Herr Drumpf filed over the 'Emoluments Clause' yet?
It has begun: http://www.wthr.com/article/lawsuit-trump-business-ties-violate-constitution (http://www.wthr.com/article/lawsuit-trump-business-ties-violate-constitution)
And it would appear they are lining up to file lawsuits in droves. . .
Oh Happy Day, Oh Happy Days, when Jesus comes, Oh Happy Days. :biggrin: :choo: :choo: :choo:
Remember when the conservative clowns used to criticize Obama for his lack of transparency? (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-issues-epa-media-blackout-suspends-agencys-grants/)
Quote from: Exterminator on January 25, 2017, 11:05:53 AM
Remember when the conservative clowns used to criticize Obama for his lack of transparency? (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-issues-epa-media-blackout-suspends-agencys-grants/)
Funny you mentioned that as one of the news commentators of our local news said something about that today.
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 20, 2017, 06:05:27 PM
While watching the inauguration I wondered how the crowd compared and looked it up images for it. Wow. Guess he was disappointed not more showed up.
http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/
So what? It's a picture of the inaugural platform.
I am wondering why we aren't hearing any screams from the Trumpanzees surrounding this blitz of executive orders the Raging Cheeto is signing. . .
Oh that's right! I forgot they are hypocrites! :roll eyes:
Threatening to send the Feds to Chicago.
Immediately reviving two oil pipeline projects that were shut down for just causes.
Ordering construction of a wall on the border with Mexico, without any accountability or explanation for how it is going to be paid for.
Taking women's rights and trampling them with due process.
He continues to feed public discourse and distrust by falsely claiming voter fraud without evidence, and in the face of contradictory evidence in fact.
He is enacting national immigration policies via executive order, again without due process, that is discriminatory in nature based upon religious belief.
(This country was founded due to similar religious persecution in other countries.)
He is threatening defunding of cities found to be "harboring illegal immigrants". . .
And he has issued yet another executive order instructing immediate streamlining of environmental practices and deregulation of same.
This country is quickly approaching the socialistic and communistic governance the conservatives were crying wolf over for the last 8 years. Only this time it is real and being implemented without due process. :mad:
The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump's inauguration (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/)
Quote from: Exterminator on January 25, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump's inauguration (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/)
:kneel:
I must be a psychic ! (I stand by this statement still)
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 09:52:30 PM
Rip the plaque off the pedestal of Lady Liberty that reads:
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
This will be nothing but a lie . . . starting Jan. 20, 2017. That "Golden Door" will be plated w 10k imitation Gold. . .
And this one as well:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 27, 2015, 10:40:49 AM
There is always a danger to this country; always has been and always will.
For years now I have been advocating the removal of the plaque that sits at the bottom of the Statue of Liberty entitled "The New Colossus", and I believe the actions of this Nation in the past 6 weeks more than underscores my reasons for doing so.
This nation has always been a melting pot of all races, creeds, colors, religions, and sexual orientations. It has historically been the nation that the world looked to because of this, but not anymore.
Now we seem to want to close our boarders, deport everyone that isn't a natural born citizen of this country, and sit like Scrooge within our comparatively tiny little world and watch the rest of the globe sink into Anarchy. All as we sit hypocritically celebrating the win of refugees over the Native American peoples of this land only yesterday. . .
That very approach was the downfall of Rome and other great nations throughout the history of this world.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Quote from: Exterminator on January 25, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump's inauguration (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/)
This link, from the above, is funny as hell. True too! :big grin:
How to cover Donald Trump fairly (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/06/14/how-to-cover-donald-trump-fairly-a-style-guide/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.970c95abf804)
Quote from: Palehorse on January 25, 2017, 03:13:45 PM
I am wondering why we aren't hearing any screams from the Trumpanzees surrounding this blitz of executive orders the Raging Cheeto is signing. . .
Oh that's right! I forgot they are hypocrites! :roll eyes:
Threatening to send the Feds to Chicago.
Immediately reviving two oil pipeline projects that were shut down for just causes.
Ordering construction of a wall on the border with Mexico, without any accountability or explanation for how it is going to be paid for.
Taking women's rights and trampling them with due process. Name some.
He continues to feed public discourse and distrust by falsely claiming voter fraud without evidence, and in the face of contradictory evidence in fact.
He is enacting national immigration policies via executive order, again without due process, that is discriminatory in nature based upon religious belief.
(This country was founded due to similar religious persecution in other countries.) So you don't mind that our citizens are being killed or raped by illegals and he wants to stop that? You don't mind that we are giving them freebies and our own are going without? It's the criminal illegal who he is going after first.
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He is threatening defunding of cities found to be "harboring illegal immigrants". . . When they are protecting the criminal illegals as well as the good ones and the crime rate is unreal, yes, that needs to be done.
And he has issued yet another executive order instructing immediate streamlining of environmental practices and deregulation of same.
This country is quickly approaching the socialistic and communistic governance the conservatives were crying wolf over for the last 8 years. Only this time it is real and being implemented without due process. :mad:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 25, 2017, 03:17:55 PM
The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump's inauguration (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/)
Quote from: Locutus on January 25, 2017, 03:55:07 PM
This link, from the above, is funny as hell. True too! :big grin:
How to cover Donald Trump fairly (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/06/14/how-to-cover-donald-trump-fairly-a-style-guide/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.970c95abf804)
Thanks, gentlemen, for the good laugh. I needed that after the day I had at the library. :yes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 25, 2017, 07:28:03 PM
Thanks, gentlemen, for the good laugh. I needed that after the day I had at the library. :yes:
Perhaps another entry on the Tales from the Library thread? :sneaky:
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 25, 2017, 07:28:03 PM
Thanks, gentlemen, for the good laugh. I needed that after the day I had at the library. :yes:
I vote for what Locutus said an entry in the Tales from the Library
Quote from: Palehorse on January 25, 2017, 03:13:45 PM
I am wondering why we aren't hearing any screams from the Trumpanzees surrounding this blitz of executive orders the Raging Cheeto is signing. . .
Oh that's right! I forgot they are hypocrites! :roll eyes:
Taking women's rights and trampling them with due process. Name some.
This country is quickly approaching the socialistic and communistic governance the conservatives were crying wolf over for the last 8 years. Only this time it is real and being implemented without due process. :mad:
Me's response in red.
How about overturning Roe v. Wade? And if it isn't overturned, how about making it very difficult to get an abortion by passing the fetal heartbeat bill? Have you heard of that one?
Defunding of Planned Parenthood. Abortion is a very small part of PP, and no federal dollars go to it. Defund PP and millions of women no longer have easy access to healthcare. My niece was helped by PP when she was a college student and had no insurance. She received a free mammogram, pap smear, and other crucial services.
Women still don't receive equal pay for equal work.
What about the rape culture that exists?
BTW, do you realize it hasn't even been 100 years since we won the right to vote? It was August 18, 1920 that we earned this through a lot of protesting and marching. We've come a long way, baby, but we still have a ways to go.
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 25, 2017, 08:07:39 PM
Me's response in red.
How about overturning Roe v. Wade? And if it isn't overturned, how about making it very difficult to get an abortion by passing the fetal heartbeat bill? Have you heard of that one?
Defunding of Planned Parenthood. Abortion is a very small part of PP, and no federal dollars go to it. Defund PP and millions of women no longer have easy access to healthcare. My niece was helped by PP when she was a college student and had no insurance. She received a free mammogram, pap smear, and other crucial services.
Women still don't receive equal pay for equal work.
What about the rape culture that exists?
BTW, do you realize it hasn't even been 100 years since we won the right to vote? It was August 18, 1920 that we earned this through a lot of protesting and marching. We've come a long way, baby, but we still have a ways to go.
Exactly!
Quote from: Locutus on January 25, 2017, 07:49:25 PM
Perhaps another entry on the Tales from the Library thread? :sneaky:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 25, 2017, 07:53:51 PM
I vote for what Locutus said an entry in the Tales from the Library
Check it out!
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 25, 2017, 08:07:39 PM
Me's response in red.
How about overturning Roe v. Wade? And if it isn't overturned, how about making it very difficult to get an abortion by passing the fetal heartbeat bill? Have you heard of that one?I agree with that one since I don't agree with abortion except when the health of the mother is in danger.
Defunding of Planned Parenthood. Abortion is a very small part of PP, and no federal dollars go to it. Defund PP and millions of women no longer have easy access to healthcare. My niece was helped by PP when she was a college student and had no insurance. She received a free mammogram, pap smear, and other crucial services. Now wait a minute, a college student should be working and paying her own way like my grandaughter who is getting her nursing degree or if not that should be on her parents insurance since they are now insured up to the age of 26. That argument is not valid under the circumstances.
Women still don't receive equal pay for equal work. And this recent shameful display had what to do with that?
What about the rape culture that exists? If a citizen does it the law takes care of it but if an illegal does it they're turned loose to do it again. If a radical Muslim does it they think they have a right because it's an accepted part of their culture.
BTW, do you realize it hasn't even been 100 years since we won the right to vote? It was August 18, 1920 that we earned this through a lot of protesting and marching. We've come a long way, baby, but we still have a ways to go. And just think women did that without running around with pp hats on and vaginas hanging around their necks, with their head in the ahole none the less, tearing up stuff, attacking people, and being foul mouthed.
Quote from: me on January 25, 2017, 09:10:52 PM
Some college students can't work while they are in college and if she is over 26, then she couldn't be on insurance. Try taking 16-18 hours a semester and working while in college. It isn't easy. And maybe Abby's niece was in college before the being on parent's insurance until 26 was around.
Quote from Me
Quote
How about overturning Roe v. Wade? And if it isn't overturned, how about making it very difficult to get an abortion by passing the fetal heartbeat bill? Have you heard of that one?I agree with that one since I don't agree with abortion except when the health of the mother is in danger.
Defunding of Planned Parenthood. Abortion is a very small part of PP, and no federal dollars go to it. Defund PP and millions of women no longer have easy access to healthcare. My niece was helped by PP when she was a college student and had no insurance. She received a free mammogram, pap smear, and other crucial services. Now wait a minute, a college student should be working and paying her own way like my grandaughter who is getting her nursing degree or if not that should be on her parents insurance since they are now insured up to the age of 26. That argument is not valid under the circumstances.
Women still don't receive equal pay for equal work. And this recent shameful display had what to do with that?
What about the rape culture that exists? If a citizen does it the law takes care of it but if an illegal does it they're turned loose to do it again. If a radical Muslim does it they think they have a right because it's an accepted part of their culture.
BTW, do you realize it hasn't even been 100 years since we won the right to vote? It was August 18, 1920 that we earned this through a lot of protesting and marching. We've come a long way, baby, but we still have a ways to go. And just think women did that without running around with pp hats on and vaginas hanging around their necks, with their head in the ahole none the less, tearing up stuff, attacking people, and being foul mouthed.
Abortion only in the case of the mother's life endangered? What about a 12 year old who was raped? You really want a little girl to go through all of that trauma of carrying and then delivering a baby her body isn't ready for? That she isn't ready for? What if she was raped by a family member?
Hooray for your niece. My niece was working, and going to college full time, paying for it herself. The age 26 rule was not in effect at that time. She was living pay check to pay check and PP was her only way of getting healthcare. How about a college student who can't even afford the co-pay? What if she doesn't have parents to rely on for healthcare? Not every parent can do that. She may only has a mother or a father who can't afford to have her on their plan I can't have my daughter on my work plan because it would cost me over $300 per month. I don't have an extra $300 a month. Fortunately she can be on her father's plan.
What shameful display? A few bad apples don't represent the whole group. Look at all the other women. Oh, there were no arrests, either. Pretty good for a group that huge.
If a citizen does it the law takes care of it? Really? Do you realize how many men have either gotten off completely or had a slap on the wrist? Do you realize how many women are afraid to make a rape charge because they won't be believed? Because the know they will be told it is their fault they were raped? "What were you wearing?" Seriously, I actually heard a guy in church say the women needed to wear longer skirts because he saw their knees and it tempted him! So I have to completely cover up because some asshole can't control himself? I want to be able to walk down the street and not worry or be scared. I don't want to listen to someone make cat calls at me and then be afraid when they start to follow me in their car. (This has recently happened to me when I was walking home from work.)
And just think women did that without running around with pp hats on and vaginas hanging around their necks, with their head in the ahole none the less, tearing up stuff, attacking people, and being foul mouthed. Again, don't judge the group by the actions of the few.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 25, 2017, 09:23:25 PM
Some college students can't work while they are in college and if she is over 26, then she couldn't be on insurance. Try taking 16-18 hours a semester and working while in college. It isn't easy. And maybe Abby's niece was in college before the being on parent's insurance until 26 was around.
She is a pharmacy tech working on her RN degree, my granddaughter that is, so she puts in a lot of hours and is an honor student also.
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 25, 2017, 09:42:02 PM
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Abortion only in the case of the mother's life endangered? What about a 12 year old who was raped? You really want a little girl to go through all of that trauma of carrying and then delivering a baby her body isn't ready for? That she isn't ready for? What if she was raped by a family member?
Hooray for your niece. My niece was working, and going to college full time, paying for it herself. The age 26 rule was not in effect at that time. She was living pay check to pay check and PP was her only way of getting healthcare. How about a college student who can't even afford the co-pay? What if she doesn't have parents to rely on for healthcare? Not every parent can do that. She may only has a mother or a father who can't afford to have her on their plan I can't have my daughter on my work plan because it would cost me over $300 per month. I don't have an extra $300 a month. Fortunately she can be on her father's plan.
What shameful display? A few bad apples don't represent the whole group. Look at all the other women. Oh, there were no arrests, either. Pretty good for a group that huge.
If a citizen does it the law takes care of it? Really? Do you realize how many men have either gotten off completely or had a slap on the wrist? Do you realize how many women are afraid to make a rape charge because they won't be believed? Because the know they will be told it is their fault they were raped? "What were you wearing?" Seriously, I actually heard a guy in church say the women needed to wear longer skirts because he saw their knees and it tempted him! So I have to completely cover up because some asshole can't control himself? I want to be able to walk down the street and not worry or be scared. I don't want to listen to someone make cat calls at me and then be afraid when they start to follow me in their car. (This has recently happened to me when I was walking home from work.)
And just think women did that without running around with pp hats on and vaginas hanging around their necks, with their head in the ahole none the less, tearing up stuff, attacking people, and being foul mouthed. Again, don't judge the group by the actions of the few.
Ya'll do.
Quote from: me on January 25, 2017, 09:47:17 PM
She is a pharmacy tech working on her RN degree, my granddaughter that is, so she puts in a lot of hours and is an honor student also.
Hate to tell you buttercup but when I was in college, I was taking 18-21 hours a semester and no insurance and since I was taking that many it was a little difficult to get a job as that many hours correlate into a full time job. Nowadays, kids can be on the parents insurance plan but at the time I was in college you couldn't after - certain age.
I can tell you stories of abused women who were raped because they were asking for it is what the rapist said. They were afraid to go to the law as many of them had not been treated fairly by police officers and the court system.
Got any proof of all that bullshit you spewed in reply to my post "me", or you just parroting propaganda?
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 25, 2017, 10:01:29 PM
I can tell you stories of abused women who were raped because they were asking for it is what the rapist said. They were afraid to go to the law as many of them had not been treated fairly by police officers and the court system.
I'm talking about the illegals who are raping and killing and the sancutary cities that are protecting them.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 25, 2017, 03:13:45 PM
I am wondering why we aren't hearing any screams from the Trumpanzees surrounding this blitz of executive orders the Raging Cheeto is signing. . .
Oh that's right! I forgot they are hypocrites! :roll eyes:
They'll avoid answering this like the plague!
Quote from: me on January 25, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
I'm talking about the illegals who are raping and killing and the sancutary cities that are protecting them.
Tell us again how you're not a bigot. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 26, 2017, 07:39:24 AM
Tell us again how you're not a bigot. :rolleyes:
Oh, I'm sorry they are to be ignored because they're of a different culture so we can't say illegals. Ok, undocumented rapists and killers then. Remember the guy who watched his daughter die because she was shot by an undocumented person when they were taking a walk? These are the people I'm referring to and if that makes me a bigot so be it.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/san-francisco-woman-shot-killed-strolling-pier-father/story?id=32210463
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 10:14:43 AM
These are the people I'm referring to and if that makes me a bigot so be it.
Glad to see you finally come clean!
Quote from: Exterminator on January 26, 2017, 10:38:44 AM
Glad to see you finally come clean!
Are you serious? I'm a bigot because I think he should have been locked up or deported because he's a criminal? You are a special kind of nuts aren't you?
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 10:57:58 AM
Are you serious? I'm a bigot because I think he should have been locked up or deported because he's a criminal? You are a special kind of nuts aren't you?
No, you're a bigot because you take one example and make it sound like everyone who comes from those countries are just like him.
BTW, there's a whole lot of irony in
you calling someone else nuts!
Quote from: Exterminator on January 26, 2017, 11:20:02 AM
No, you're a bigot because you take one example and make it sound like everyone who comes from those countries are just like him.
BTW, there's a whole lot of irony in you calling someone else nuts!
No I did not I said those are the types of people who need sent back and kept from coming into this country.
Quote from: me on January 25, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
I'm talking about the illegals who are raping and killing and the sancutary cities that are protecting them.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 11:22:46 AM
No I did not I said those are the types of people who need sent back and kept from coming into this country.
Illegals is plural and sanctuary cities are not protecting criminals. Just admit you're a bigot and be done with it. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 11:22:46 AM
No I did not I said those are the types of people who need sent back and kept from coming into this country.
When you make a statement "those types of people" you are showing that you are a bigot.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 11:49:14 AM
When you make a statement "those types of people" you are showing that you are a bigot.
Ok, those killers and rapists people. Is that better? Good grief this politically correct stuff is unreal. Killers and rapists are types of people.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 11:57:39 AM
Ok, those killers and rapists people. Is that better? Good grief this politically correct stuff is unreal. Killers and rapists are types of people.
Not the way you are categorizing it.
At 2 p.m., Trump is going to sign an executive action on this dumbass debunked voter fraud bullshit. :mad: :mad:
He's fucking out of his mind and his even dumber supporters don't care that everything that's coming out of his mouth are "alternative facts" a.k.a. lies.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
:pigdance: TRUMP's wall is going to cost 15 BILLION DOLLARS and Mexico is going to pay for it. WHEN ---> :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :koolaid: :haha:
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
At 2 p.m., Trump is going to sign an executive action on this dumbass debunked voter fraud bullshit. :mad: :mad:
He's fucking out of his mind and his even dumber supporters don't care that everything that's coming out of his mouth are "alternative facts" a.k.a. lies.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
I feel like this country is morphing into North Korea. . . :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
At 2 p.m., Trump is going to sign an executive action on this dumbass debunked voter fraud bullshit. :mad: :mad:
He's fucking out of his mind and his even dumber supporters don't care that everything that's coming out of his mouth are "alternative facts" a.k.a. lies.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
What about that :haha: it's the same bullshit as Bengazi. :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: Have you seen in the news that all of the Republican's including Trump are using private computer servers. All the interest in Hillary's private computer were lies. :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :koolaid:
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
At 2 p.m., Trump is going to sign an executive action on this dumbass debunked voter fraud bullshit. :mad: :mad:
He's fucking out of his mind and his even dumber supporters don't care that everything that's coming out of his mouth are "alternative facts" a.k.a. lies.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
Oh hell, this country is going to hell in a hand basket and quick.
Quote from: The Troll on January 26, 2017, 12:17:23 PM
What about that :haha: it's the same bullshit as Bengazi. :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: Have you seen in the news that all of the Republican's including Trump are using private computer servers. All the interest in Hillary's private computer were lies. :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :koolaid:
Did you see where Secret Service was going batshyte nuts over him using an unsecured cell phone?
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 11:58:43 AM
Not the way you are categorizing it.
How would you categorize it then smart ass?
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 12:08:24 PM
At 2 p.m., Trump is going to sign an executive action on this dumbass debunked voter fraud bullshit. :mad: :mad:
He's fucking out of his mind and his even dumber supporters don't care that everything that's coming out of his mouth are "alternative facts" a.k.a. lies.
:mad: :mad: :mad:
I got an idea, let's cancel the election because of the voter fraud and have it over again. No campaining, just another election on a Saturday and all you need is three forms of identification, like a phone bill, electric bill, a gas bill that has you address on it and let's go at it. I think it would be a fair election with everyone watching for Mexicans voting and it would be a very interesting election. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 12:20:53 PM
How would you categorize it then smart ass?
I wouldn't have said those people like you did. You could have said rapists and never said those people. Now continue being the bitch you are.
Quote from: The Troll on January 26, 2017, 12:27:11 PM
I got an idea, let's cancel the election because of the voter fraud and have it over again. No campaining, just another election on a Saturday and all you need is three forms of identification, like a phone bill, electric bill, a gas bill that has you address on it and let's go at it. I think it would be a fair election with everyone watching for Mexicans voting and it would be a very interesting election. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
:yes:
MY OPINION is that he will eventually be removed from office,but the problem is he will be replaced by the antichrist!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 12:53:29 PM
I wouldn't have said those people like you did. You could have said rapists and never said those people. Now continue being the bitch you are.
Problem is the racists and killers I was referring to happen to be of a particular category, illegals/undocumented, not just citizens who would be kept in jail. Did you not read the story I posted the link to? Bet you won't use the term radical Muslim's either. Now if you're going to continue to name call I'm done. Yes, I called you a smart ass but I don't usually stoop to your level.
Oh Holy Hell. . . He is spewing right now to repugnicans and crowing about the Dakota and Keystone pipelines.
"We are ready for the pipe", he says.
The problem is he is going to give the pipe to anyone making less than a million dollars a year. . . And America will take the pipe! :rant: :rant: :rant:
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 01:22:06 PM
Problem is the racists and killers I was referring to happen to be of a particular category, illegals/undocumented, not just citizens who would be kept in jail. Did you not read the story I posted the link to? Bet you won't use the term radical Muslim's either. Now if you're going to continue to name call I'm done. Yes, I called you a smart ass but I don't usually stoop to your level.
No one is saying killers and rapists do not need to be severely punished. They do and they are every single day in this country.
The problem is you want to paint an entire race with your brush loaded with the broad strokes of ignorance. Be careful that you do not paint yourself.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 01:23:42 PM
Oh Holy Hell. . . He is spewing right now to repugnicans and crowing about the Dakota and Keystone pipelines.
"We are ready for the pipe", he says.
The problem is he is going to give the pipe to anyone making less than a million dollars a year. . . And America will take the pipe! :rant: :rant: :rant:
Every one of his speeches has to have some content that serves to feed his own ego. I'm watching that right now too. ;D
Now he's touting health savings accounts as a replacement for Obamacare. :rolleyes:
What a crock of crap. :mad:
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 01:22:06 PM
Problem is the racists and killers I was referring to happen to be of a particular category, illegals/undocumented, not just citizens who would be kept in jail. Did you not read the story I posted the link to? Bet you won't use the term radical Muslim's either. Now if you're going to continue to name call I'm done. Yes, I called you a smart ass but I don't usually stoop to your level.
Yeah you do, you just think you are clever and you aren't. You are a bigot.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 01:26:01 PM
No one is saying killers and rapists do not need to be severely punished. They do and they are every single day in this country.
The problem is you want to paint an entire race with your brush loaded with the broad strokes of ignorance. Be careful that you do not paint yourself.
Bingo.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 01:23:42 PM
Oh Holy Hell. . . He is spewing right now to repugnicans and crowing about the Dakota and Keystone pipelines.
"We are ready for the pipe", he says.
The problem is he is going to give the pipe to anyone making less than a million dollars a year. . . And America will take the pipe! :rant: :rant: :rant:
I can't even watch him.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 01:22:06 PM
Problem is the racists and killers I was referring to happen to be of a particular category, illegals/undocumented, not just citizens who would be kept in jail. Did you not read the story I posted the link to? Bet you won't use the term radical Muslim's either. Now if you're going to continue to name call I'm done. Yes, I called you a smart ass but I don't usually stoop to your level.
By the way stupid, I don't call them radical Muslims because not all of them are. See how prejudiced you are and you don't even realize that you are.
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 01:32:18 PM
Now he's touting health savings accounts as a replacement for Obamacare. :rolleyes:
Those health savings accounts are a crock. I had one one year and it didn't work well for us.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 01:44:01 PM
Those health savings accounts are a crock. I had one one year and it didn't work well for us.
They only work well for those that do not have to use them for 5-10 years at a time. One illness and it is wiped out and you are left penniless.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 01:45:56 PM
They only work well for those that do not have to use them for 5-10 years at a time. One illness and it is wiped out and you are left penniless.
Yep and we weren't ill but by the time I used it for my scripts, kid's scripts and husband's, we had nothing left on the account so it didn't help us any.
I am hearing a rumor that the entire state department management team has resigned. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 01:54:57 PM
I am hearing a rumor that the entire state department management team has resigned. . .
They were told to by the incoming administration.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 01:54:57 PM
I am hearing a rumor that the entire state department management team has resigned. . .
Apparently it is true!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.c9b871f4ed7e (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.c9b871f4ed7e)
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 01:45:56 PM
They only work well for those that do not have to use them for 5-10 years at a time. One illness and it is wiped out and you are left penniless.
Let alone, most, if not all, of the newly insured by Obamacare can't fucking afford to contribute to a health savings account anyway. I don't know what these proponent of health savings accounts are thinking.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 01:59:27 PM
Apparently it is true!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.c9b871f4ed7e (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2017/01/26/the-state-departments-entire-senior-management-team-just-resigned/?utm_term=.c9b871f4ed7e)
CNN reported that the foursome was fired — and didn't resign — by the Trump administration as part of an effort, officials said, meant to "clean house."http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/state-department-officials-resign-rex-tillerson-visit-article-1.2956338
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 02:02:37 PM
CNN reported that the foursome was fired — and didn't resign — by the Trump administration as part of an effort, officials said, meant to "clean house."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/state-department-officials-resign-rex-tillerson-visit-article-1.2956338
Just read that myself.
So I guess "draining the swamp" means elimination of the voice of reason?! :eek:
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 01:59:03 PM
They were told to by the incoming administration.
Sweet Baby Jeebus hanging on the cross. Now we'll have a den full of lions that will be pushing the ham-fisted diplomacy agenda. :spooked:
I cannot believe Americans can stand for this crap. Diplomacy is now gone in this nation, and each and every single foreign Ambassador for the US is now at risk across the planet.
Trump is picking a fight with Mexico over this wall as well, so here we go. Mexican-American War is now on the radar. Over a fucking 15 billion dollar wall. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 02:09:51 PM
Trump is picking a fight with Mexico over this wall as well, so here we go. Mexican-American War is now on the radar. Over a fucking 15 billion dollar wall. . .
He and Enrique Pena Nieto just cancelled their official visit all via their Twitter accounts. ;D
Like Ex said, you seriously can't make this shit up.
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 02:12:44 PM
He and Enrique Pena Nieto just cancelled their official visit all via their Twitter accounts. ;D
Like Ex said, you seriously can't make this shit up.
It is now officially to the point where I absolutely procrastinate about reading or watching the news!
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 02:14:39 PM
It is now officially to the point where I absolutely procrastinate about reading or watching the news!
@realDonaldTrump: "If you're not paying for the wall @EPN, you shouldn't come to DC."
@EPN: "Fuck you @realDonaldTrump, we're not fucking paying for the wall!"
@realDonaldTrump: "Well fuck you then @EPN! You're uninvited to la Casa Blanca!"
@EPN: "Well fuck you too then @realDonaldTrump! I never wanted to come to la Casa Blanca anyway!"
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 26, 2017, 01:26:01 PM
No one is saying killers and rapists do not need to be severely punished. They do and they are every single day in this country.
The problem is you want to paint an entire race with your brush loaded with the broad strokes of ignorance. Be careful that you do not paint yourself.
What's the difference than ya'll painting a particular group of people with the same brush? I specified on the illegals by saying the bad ones.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 01:42:51 PM
By the way stupid, I don't call them radical Muslims because not all of them are. See how prejudiced you are and you don't even realize that you are.
Then I'm not talking about the ones that aren't now am I. You can't ignore those who are by not referring to them now can you? There are radical Muslims so what other way would you referr to them, and stooping to your level again, dumb ass.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 02:23:35 PM
What's the difference than ya'll painting a particular group of people with the same brush? I specified on the illegals by saying the bad ones. Then I'm not talking about the ones that aren't now am I. You can't ignore those who are by not referring to them now can you? There are radical Muslims so what other way would you referr to them, and stooping to your level again, dumb ass.
I call them people as that is what they are. Yep, you continue to show your bigotry.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 02:23:35 PM
What's the difference than ya'll painting a particular group of people with the same brush? I specified on the illegals by saying the bad ones. Then I'm not talking about the ones that aren't now am I. You can't ignore those who are by not referring to them now can you? There are radical Muslims so what other way would you referr to them, and stooping to your level again, dumb ass.
So you are stooping to continue to be a bitch, I am not surprised.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 02:26:17 PM
So you are stooping to continue to be a bitch, I am not surprised.
How do you refer to radical Muslim's that lop off peoples heads amoung other vile things?
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 02:29:29 PM
How do you refer to radical Muslim's that lop off peoples heads amoung other vile things?
I call them people, sick people, I don't refer to people by a race, religion or creed.
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 02:19:25 PM
@realDonaldTrump: "If you're not paying for the wall @EPN, you shouldn't come to DC."
@EPN: "Fuck you @realDonaldTrump, we're not fucking paying for the wall!"
@realDonaldTrump: "Well fuck you then @EPN! You're uninvited to la Casa Blanca!"
@EPN: "Well fuck you too then @realDonaldTrump! I never wanted to come to la Casa Blanca anyway!"
:rotfl: :rotfl:
Our new diplomacy policy on full display to the world. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
I call them people, sick people, I don't refer to people by a race, religion or creed.
They are Muslim, they are sick, so what's the problem? If you can refer to the good one's as good Muslim's why not refer to the vile ones as radicals? You don't have a problem referring to Christians in a bad light and not all Christians are bad. What's the difference?
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 03:28:21 PM
They are Muslim, they are sick, so what's the problem? If you can refer to the good one's as good Muslim's why not refer to the vile ones as radicals? You don't have a problem referring to Christians in a bad light and not all Christians are bad. What's the difference?
Again they are people. Why not call them sick people and not refer to them as a race or religion.
Sean Hannity is devoting the entire hour of his show tonight for an interview with the Raging Cheeto (tip 'o' the hat to Palehorse) if anyone can stomach watching it.
Quote from: Locutus on January 26, 2017, 05:19:58 PM
Sean Hannity is devoting the entire hour of his show tonight for an interview with the Raging Cheeto (tip 'o' the hat to Palehorse) if anyone can stomach watching it.
I won't. I don't want to lose my supper.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 03:51:53 PM
Again they are people. Why not call them sick people and not refer to them as a race or religion.
For the same reason you would need to mention a race or heratige when involving a crime, to identify where the problem lies. People are cutting off other people's heads, raping women, and mistreating their wives and daughters just doesn't quite cut it. They are doing these things and they are radical Muslim's and that's a fact.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 06:05:23 PM
For the same reason you would need to mention a race or heratige when involving a crime, to identify where the problem lies. People are cutting off other people's heads, raping women, and mistreating their wives and daughters just doesn't quite cut it. They are doing these things and they are radical Muslim's and that's a fact.
Nope, you don't.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 06:13:22 PM
Nope, you don't.
Ok, if a person, who happens to be Muslim, lops off someones head, say your daughter's, and you had to describe them to the cops how would you do it to narrow down the search for that person? Let's say it was also a black Muslim.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
Ok, if a person, who happens to be Muslim, lops off someones head, say your daughter's, and you had to describe them to the cops how would you do it to narrow down the search for that person? Let's say it was also a black Muslim.
I would say a black person and leave it at that. You wouldn't know whether the person is a Muslim or not. You can give the race without saying they are Muslim or this or that. I would do that if it was a white, Hispanic or Asian. You are just assuming that they are a Muslim with not one ounce of proof.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 07:08:14 PM
I would say a black person and leave it at that. You wouldn't know whether the person is a Muslim or not. You can give the race without saying they are Muslim or this or that. I would do that if it was a white, Hispanic or Asian. You are just assuming that they are a Muslim with not one ounce of proof.
So even if the person had Muslim clothing on you would not mention the Muslim aspect? Remember I stated a Muslim person.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
Ok, if a person, who happens to be Muslim, lops off someones head, say your daughter's, and you had to describe them to the cops how would you do it to narrow down the search for that person? Let's say it was also a black Muslim.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 07:21:08 PM
So even if the person had Muslim clothing on you would not mention the Muslim aspect? Remember I stated a Muslim person.
Again, you have no way of knowing if the person is a Muslim. You are assuming and you know what happens when you assume. You make an ass out of yourself.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 07:25:00 PM
Again, you have no way of knowing if the person is a Muslim. You are assuming and you know what happens when you assume. You make an ass out of yourself.
You crack me up PL. I asked how you would describe a person you knew was Muslim and you're doing everything you can think of to wiggle out of it. Go pick a fight with troll, I'm out.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 07:53:45 PM
You crack me up PL. I asked how you would describe a person you knew was Muslim and you're doing everything you can think of to wiggle out of it. Go pick a fight with troll, I'm out.
No dumbass, I am not wiggling out of anything because unlike you I wouldn't assume they are Muslim. You continue to make an ass out of yourself when you assume . You will continue showing us all your ignorance, bigotry and stupidity every day. I am sure you are all for waterboarding like the raging Cheeto is.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 07:59:19 PM
No dumbass, I am not wiggling out of anything because unlike you I wouldn't assume they are Muslim. You continue to make an ass out of yourself when you assume . You will continue showing us all your ignorance, bigotry and stupidity every day. I am sure you are all for waterboarding like the raging Cheeto is.
I asked you a question but you just don't quite seem to grasp it for some reason. I'm saying the perp was Muslim and you knew it how would you describe the person to the athorities knowing they were black Muslim's if you had to using your reasoning?
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 09:11:25 PM
I asked you a question but you just don't quite seem to grasp it for some reason. I'm saying the perp was Muslim and you knew it how would you describe the person to the athorities knowing they were black Muslim's if you had to using your reasoning?
I told you dumbass that you are. I would say black but you do realize you have absolutely no way of knowing if the person is a Muslim or not. I would say Asian, White or Hispanic. You continue to show what a bigot you are by wanting to call them a Muslim and you have zero proof. Again, you come up with that it was a Muslim and you can't give that to the police as a description because they have to have race, and height. You are the one not grasping anything. You can't just say the person is a Muslim because they are black or white or even Hispanic because Muslim is not a race like you are trying to do. You realize that Muslims are a diverse population, well probably not.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 09:31:16 PM
I told you dumbass that you are. I would say black but you do realize you have absolutely no way of knowing if the person is a Muslim or not. I would say Asian, White or Hispanic. You continue to show what a bigot you are by wanting to call them a Muslim and you have zero proof. Again, you come up with that it was a Muslim and you can't give that to the police as a description because they have to have race, and height. You are the one not grasping anything. You can't just say the person is a Muslim because they are black or white or even Hispanic because Muslim is not a race like you are trying to do. You realize that Muslims are a diverse population, well probably not.
The thing is would you want them to start looking at all blacks or for a black wearing Muslim clothing if you knew the person was Muslim? You just don't get it do you? There can be and are times when it isn't bigotry to mention a persons ethnicity or racist to mention their heratige. Ignoring the fact that there are radical Muslim's is enabling and those sanctuary cities are harboring them as well as drug dealers who are illegal. That is who Trump wants out and it's for our safety.
Quote from: me on January 26, 2017, 10:18:27 PM
The thing is would you want them to start looking at all blacks or for a black wearing Muslim clothing if you knew the person was Muslim? You just don't get it do you? There can be and are times when it isn't bigotry to mention a persons ethnicity or racist to mention their heratige. Ignoring the fact that there are radical Muslim's is enabling and those sanctuary cities are harboring them as well as drug dealers who are illegal. That is who Trump wants out and it's for our safety.
I get it moron and you do realize that Muslims wear clothes just like you and me. If you don't understand that than you truly are stupid . We ran into Muslims in Ukraine and guess what, they were dressed like you and me so the best you can do is make sure you have a good picture of them in your mind to give an accurate description.
By the way, idiot, those cities you keep harping on are not protecting anyone.
It has to be a crime to be as stupid as you are .
Yeah, you want a man who is a pervert and wants to raise taxes to build a wall. No wonder you like him.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 26, 2017, 11:25:24 PM
I get it moron and you do realize that Muslims wear clothes just like you and me. If you don't understand that than you truly are stupid . We ran into Muslims in Ukraine and guess what, they were dressed like you and me so the best you can do is make sure you have a good picture of them in your mind to give an accurate description.
By the way, idiot, those cities you keep harping on are not protecting anyone.
It has to be a crime to be as stupid as you are .
Yeah, you want a man who is a pervert and wants to raise taxes to build a wall. No wonder you like him.
Ah, did I make you mad...need a coloring book, some crayons, a teddy bear, and safe space to help you feel better?
Quote from: me on January 27, 2017, 01:12:41 AM
Ah, did I make you mad...need a coloring book, some crayons, a teddy bear, and safe space to help you feel better?
You aren't capable of making me mad. All you are capable of is showing us all how utterly stupid you are.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 27, 2017, 01:46:36 AM
You aren't capable of making me mad. All you are capable of is showing us all how utterly stupid you are.
Oh, then you're just normally hateful I take it.
Quote from: me on January 27, 2017, 09:50:46 AM
Oh, then you're just normally hateful I take it.
LOL! Because you're a ray of fucking sunshine?
Quote from: me on January 27, 2017, 09:50:46 AM
Oh, then you're just normally hateful I take it.
Nope not hateful like you. You are French fry short of a Happy Meal
I'd like to know what Hank and 'me' think about this 20% tariff that Trump has in mind to "pay for" the wall. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on January 27, 2017, 10:34:59 AM
I'd like to know what Hank and 'me' think about this 20% tariff that Trump has in mind to "pay for" the wall. :rolleyes:
Mixed feelings actually. Keeping in mind that Trump is a negotiater, not an organizer, it's hard to tell if he's bluffing. He may have said that to get a response out of Mexico and end up with an actual good deal all the way around.
Quote from: me on January 27, 2017, 11:18:01 AM
Mixed feelings actually. Keeping in mind that Trump is a negotiater, not an organizer, it's hard to tell if he's bluffing. He may have said that to get a response out of Mexico and end up with an actual good deal all the way around.
LOL! Mexico has already stated emphatically that they are not paying for any wall. At the end of the day, any tariff means that we are still paying for the wall through higher prices on goods coming from that country.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 27, 2017, 11:30:54 AM
At the end of the day, any tariff means that we are still paying for the wall through higher prices on goods coming from that country.
Bingo! Lets see how all of these Trumpateers feel when prices at the grocery store and other places start going up. :mad:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 27, 2017, 11:30:54 AM
LOL! Mexico has already stated emphatically that they are not paying for any wall. At the end of the day, any tariff means that we are still paying for the wall through higher prices on goods coming from that country.
Exactly. Mexico isn't going to pay for it.
Quote from: Locutus on January 27, 2017, 11:40:28 AM
Bingo! Lets see how all of these Trumpateers feel when prices at the grocery store and other places start going up. :mad:
Buy American, that's what ya'll are always hollering anyway.
Quote from: Locutus on January 27, 2017, 10:34:59 AM
I'd like to know what Hank and 'me' think about this 20% tariff that Trump has in mind to "pay for" the wall. :rolleyes:
Yep. We all know that means prices for everything that comes from Mexico will go up at least 20%, (likely 25-30%), and we will end up paying for that wall anyway.
Quote from: me on January 27, 2017, 11:45:05 AM
Buy American, that's what ya'll are always hollering anyway.
Try to find American products, it isn't as easy as you think.
Quote from: me on January 27, 2017, 11:45:05 AM
Buy American, that's what ya'll are always hollering anyway.
Yeah, like all of those American bananas that are available. :rolleyes:
You're such a simpleton.
Quote from: Locutus on January 27, 2017, 12:11:05 PM
Yeah, like all of those American bananas that are available. :rolleyes:
And American avacodos, and real tequila, and Corona, etc.
QuoteYou're such a simpleton.
Indeed. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on January 27, 2017, 12:11:05 PM
Yeah, like all of those American bananas that are available. :rolleyes:
You're such a simpleton.
Half of the stuff at any store is from some other country, very few American products. The only way I know if it is an American produce product is if I get it from a farmer and even then the seeds may have come from a foreign country.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on January 27, 2017, 01:50:30 PM
Half of the stuff at any store is from some other country, very few American products. The only way I know if it is an American produce product is if I get it from a farmer and even then the seeds may have come from a foreign country.
And it will get exponentially worse after they pollute that aquifer with those pipelines of oil, and then 90% of all grain, vegetables, and meat produced in this country will be polluted as well. . .
But at least you'll have an HSA card to pay for the doctor and medicines with. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 27, 2017, 05:22:08 PM
And it will get exponentially worse after they pollute that aquifer with those pipelines of oil, and then 90% of all grain, vegetables, and meat produced in this country will be polluted as well. . .
But at least you'll have an HSA card to pay for the doctor and medicines with. . . :rolleyes:
Ugh :no: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 27, 2017, 11:56:38 AM
Yep. We all know that means prices for everything that comes from Mexico will go up at least 20%, (likely 25-30%), and we will end up paying for that wall anyway.
I'm tempted to put that out there for the hardcore Trump supporters I know, but I cringe at the answer they would give me. I don't think they understand how all that works and how it will really affect us. I'm sure they would come up with some sort of alternative fact to make it work! :icon_twisted:
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 27, 2017, 05:33:37 PM
I'm tempted to put that out there for the hardcore Trump supporters I know, but I cringe at the answer they would give me. I don't think they understand how all that works and how it will really affect us. I'm sure they would come up with some sort of alternative fact to make it work! :icon_twisted:
Waste of time and effort. They are so emotionally blind they wouldn't know a moose from a turd right now.
A solid week of nothing but executive orders from the Raging Cheeto and not a peep from them surrounding the need for congressional approval and oversight, or abuse of power. . . (Both guaranteed any time the former POTUS issued ONE executive order. )
Hypocrites. . .
Quote from: AbbyTC on January 27, 2017, 05:33:37 PM
I'm tempted to put that out there for the hardcore Trump supporters I know, but I cringe at the answer they would give me. I don't think they understand how all that works and how it will really affect us. I'm sure they would come up with some sort of alternative fact to make it work! :icon_twisted:
Let me see, Mexico didn't fight in WWI, nor WWII, nor Korea, Desert Sand, nor Afghanistan, nor Iraq and they don't send any kind of aid to disasters we have in this country. I sure wouldn't call they are best allied. :rant: They take all of our business, all of our aid and send us all of their poor and uneducated people. :mad: :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on January 27, 2017, 06:35:31 PM
Waste of time and effort. They are so emotionally blind they wouldn't know a moose from a turd right now.
A solid week of nothing but executive orders from the Raging Cheeto and not a peep from them surrounding the need for congressional approval and oversight, or abuse of power. . . (Both guaranteed any time the former POTUS issued ONE executive order. )
Hypocrites. . .
Obama didn't need congressional approval to put a lot of them in so why should it be needed to take them out?
Quote from: me on January 28, 2017, 02:36:32 PM
Obama didn't need congressional approval to put a lot of them in so why should it be needed to take them out?
You missed the
entire point of that post.
Quote from: Locutus on January 28, 2017, 02:46:49 PM
You missed the entire point of that post.
Not really. Why bitch when he's undoing things conservatives thought shouldn't have been done in the first place?
Quote from: me on January 28, 2017, 02:36:32 PM
Obama didn't need congressional approval to put a lot of them in so why should it be needed to take them out?
WHOOSH!
Quote from: me on January 28, 2017, 08:29:28 PM
Not really. Why bitch when he's undoing things conservatives thought shouldn't have been done in the first place?
Because this nation is in the process of imploding that is why. Imploding over the racially rooted executive orders being imposed upon the planet by a heavy handed Raging Cheeto!
Quote from: Palehorse on January 29, 2017, 11:27:05 AM
Because this nation is in the process of imploding that is why. Imploding over the racially rooted executive orders being imposed upon the planet by a heavy handed Raging Cheeto!
So you see trying to protect the US from radical Muslims entering our country as being racially rooted? You think it's good to allow them to keep pouring in and getting benefits even some citizens can't get?
Quote from: me on January 29, 2017, 12:46:50 PM
So you see trying to protect the US from radical Muslims entering our country as being racially rooted? You think it's good to allow them to keep pouring in and getting benefits even some citizens can't get?
There are people who wish to enter this country for a variety of reasons. They may be seeking political or religious asylum and there you go with your ban on everyone. How about the lady who was trying to get back to her husband and got sent back to Baghdad? It is a stupid ban. There is no reason for anyone in the U. S. to not get benefits unless they are too damn lazy to get them.
Quote from: Palehorse on January 27, 2017, 06:35:31 PM
Waste of time and effort. They are so emotionally blind they wouldn't know a moose from a turd right now.
"Time makes more converts than reason." -- Thomas Paine
Quote from: me on January 29, 2017, 12:46:50 PM
So you see trying to protect the US from radical Muslims entering our country as being racially rooted?
If the goal is protecting the country, why aren't Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt on the list when 18 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from those countries? Could it be because Trump has business interests in all of those places? You people are gullible sheep.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 29, 2017, 03:19:24 PM
If the goal is protecting the country, why aren't Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt on the list when 18 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from those countries? Could it be because Trump has business interests in all of those places? You people are gullible sheep.
Exactly
Malignant Narcissists will go to great lengths to achieve their aim. They can be intelligent, high functioning (hold an important job for example) soft-spoken, charming, tearful/seemingly emotional, gracious, well mannered, kind and have the ability to form relationships. They may lie, falsely accuse, dramatize, smear, cheat, steal, manipulate, accuse, blame or twist to get what they want and feel justified in doing so. Because they are entitled, egocentric and desperate, they do not experience it as wrong. They are determined to gratify their wishes and furious if thwarted. Their desire can be so consuming that there is little comprehension of, respect for or ability to empathize with the other. They lack guilt or remorse and tend to feel or pronounce that it is they who have been mistreated.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 29, 2017, 03:19:24 PM
If the goal is protecting the country, why aren't Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Egypt on the list when 18 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from those countries? Could it be because Trump has business interests in all of those places? You people are gullible sheep.
One of my FB friends got into an argument with someone about this. When the other poster pointed this out, the reply was, "He's severed all ties with his business so it won't help him." Guess he forgot Trump gave his businesses to his kids.
Seems to me Obama had a similar ban in 2011 an no one got all upset.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-mocks-trump-but-has-barred-immigrants-many-muslim-6-times/article/2594016
Quote from: me on January 29, 2017, 08:05:21 PM
Seems to me Obama had a similar ban in 2011 an no one got all upset.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/18/the-obama-administration-stopped-processing-iraq-refugee-requests-for-6-months-in-2011/
More of your bullshit lies. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.5c65ff0cfc7d)
Quotehttp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-mocks-trump-but-has-barred-immigrants-many-muslim-6-times/article/2594016
From your own link:
"He used the same provision five other times, one more in 2011, twice in 2012 and twice in 2014. In those, he targeted people aiding Iran, Syria, Crimea, and those involved in war crimes."Do you see the difference, stupid? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 30, 2017, 07:26:16 AM
More of your bullshit lies. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.5c65ff0cfc7d)
From your own link: "He used the same provision five other times, one more in 2011, twice in 2012 and twice in 2014. In those, he targeted people aiding Iran, Syria, Crimea, and those involved in war crimes."
Do you see the difference, stupid? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 30, 2017, 07:26:16 AM
More of your bullshit lies. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.5c65ff0cfc7d)
From your own link: "He used the same provision five other times, one more in 2011, twice in 2012 and twice in 2014. In those, he targeted people aiding Iran, Syria, Crimea, and those involved in war crimes."
Do you see the difference, stupid? :rolleyes:
Actually, no I don't. The media is blowing this way out of proportion and ya'll are too dumb to see it.
Quote from: me on January 30, 2017, 11:38:00 AM
Actually, no I don't. The media is blowing this way out of proportion and ya'll are too dumb to see it.
Really? Was Mitch Daniels blowing it way out of proportion when he said this weekend that it was illegal and unconstitutional? How about all of the other Republican governors, house members, senators, etc.? Are they all blowing it out of proportion?
Maybe it's you who's too dumb to see it?
Quote from: Exterminator on January 30, 2017, 11:45:16 AM
Maybe it's you who's too dumb to see it?
We have a BINGO!! :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on January 30, 2017, 12:06:05 PM
We have a BINGO!! :yes:
Given what we've seen in just the past week, I'd say it's a given that anyone still backing him is as bat shit crazy as he is...and completely un-American as well.
So you're fine with just letting anyone into the country even though they may be terrorists then? You're fine with the fact that women are getting raped and killed by illegals who should be in prison or deported back to their home country? You're fine with the fact they want to impose their laws on us rather than obey our laws? You're fine with feeding, housing, giving medical care via our tax dollars for some who would just as soon wipe us off the face of the earth as look at us? This influx of thousands of people without going through proper channels and being checked out is getting out of hand.
Quote from: me on January 30, 2017, 01:19:29 PM
So you're fine with just letting anyone into the country even though they may be terrorists then? You're fine with the fact that women are getting raped and killed by illegals who should be in prison or deported back to their home country? You're fine with the fact they want to impose their laws on us rather than obey our laws? You're fine with feeding, housing, giving medical care via our tax dollars for some who would just as soon wipe us off the face of the earth as look at us? This influx of thousands of people without going through proper channels and being checked out is getting out of hand.
If I was as afraid as you are, I'd put a gun to my head and blow my brains out. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 30, 2017, 01:27:52 PM
If I was as afraid as you are, I'd put a gun to my head and blow my brains out. :rolleyes:
Whatever skippy. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on January 30, 2017, 01:19:29 PM
So you're fine with just letting anyone into the country even though they may be terrorists then? You're fine with the fact that women are getting raped and killed by illegals who should be in prison or deported back to their home country? You're fine with the fact they want to impose their laws on us rather than obey our laws? . . .
I personally am not fine with just slamming the door on everyone without due process. . .
I am not fine with women being raped and killed by anyone; statistically US Citizens rape and murder more women each day than the less than 2% of the total immigrant population that does so. Shall we just deport them too? (Careful when you answer that one).
No one is imposing any "laws" upon the general population outside of the Raging Cheeto and his band of Trumpanzees. (And without due process too). Why aren't you screaming over this blitz of executive orders he is issuing?
Quote from: Palehorse on January 30, 2017, 05:04:34 PM
I personally am not fine with just slamming the door on everyone without due process. . .
I am not fine with women being raped and killed by anyone; statistically US Citizens rape and murder more women each day than the less than 2% of the total immigrant population that does so. Shall we just deport them too? (Careful when you answer that one).
No one is imposing any "laws" upon the general population outside of the Raging Cheeto and his band of Trumpanzees. (And without due process too). Why aren't you screaming over this blitz of executive orders he is issuing?
Bingo
Quote from: Exterminator on January 30, 2017, 07:26:16 AM
More of your bullshit lies. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/29/trumps-facile-claim-that-his-refugee-policy-is-similar-to-obama-in-2011/?utm_term=.5c65ff0cfc7d)
Good article. Thanks. I'm using it on FB to enlighten some people. Well, if they read it and believe it, that is.
. . .In other words, most of the anti-Trump protests so far have been over symbolism and omens.
So just imagine what's going to happen if or when the largely hypothetical becomes real and the abstract becomes personal.
•If or when the numbers of people turned away from our borders, detained or deported grows from the hundreds into the tens of thousands.
•If or when millions of people lose their health insurance policies after Obamacare is repealed.
•If or when Roe v. Wade is overturned and states begin outlawing abortion.
•If or when we begin to go backward on LGBTQ rights and anti-gay discrimination is enshrined as a religious right.
•If or when prices or taxes rise to pay for an unnecessary border wall between the U.S. and Mexico and for Trump's misbegotten trade wars.
•If or when public education begins to disappear in major urban centers.
•If or when strict voter-ID laws, with their racially discriminatory effects, sweep the red states.
If any of the above hypotheticals become reality, these recent protests will seem quaint in comparison.
I wouldn't go so far as to call this the Liberal Spring, but make no mistake: After eight, sleepy, nearly torpid years of hoping that President Barack Obama and his wealthiest supporters would protect their interests, members of the left — progressives, Democrats — have awakened with a roar.
Critics complained that the Women's March on Washington was incoherent and diffuse, an airing of various concerns without an identifiable set of demands. Actually, though, the message of those rallies was quite clear: We're not cowering in the face of the Trump agenda. We're determined, we're energized and when Trump crosses the line, we'll be right back out here with demonstrations that'll make those tea party rallies of 2010 look like Tuesday morning gatherings at the dog park.
Don't miss the idealism. Many of the marchers, like many of the airport protesters, don't feel directly threatened by Trumpism. They're straight, white people of some means who have decent health insurance and probably won't be alive long enough to be mortally sickened by the poisonous air and water in a deregulated America.
These protesters organized, made signs, traveled and took time out of their lives to make a show of their beliefs on behalf of others now that they've been poked by Trump's statements and his early moves in the White House.
After ineptly playing defense and squabbling internally during Obama's two terms, the left is back on offense, angry and activated.
The evidence is not just in the crowds and first-time protesters. The American Civil Liberties Union reported taking in $24.2 million in online donations over the weekend, more than six times the total of online donations the organization usually gets in an entire year!. . .
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-anti-trump-liberal-protests-perspec-zorn-0131-20170130-column.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-anti-trump-liberal-protests-perspec-zorn-0131-20170130-column.html)
I've said it before and I will say it again. This country has failed, (once again), to learn the lessons of its own history and is headed hell-bent for leather toward civil war.
Sad that the match that sets off this inferno is in actuality a tyrant in the office of POTUS. And one that seems intent upon undoing everything the last civil war set into motion, and putting us back into the early 1800's.
We are living in a war zone right now. We just don't believe it yet. But it is coming. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on January 31, 2017, 09:35:18 PM
Don't miss the idealism. Many of the marchers, like many of the airport protesters, don't feel directly threatened by Trumpism. They're straight, white people of some means who have decent health insurance and probably won't be alive long enough to be mortally sickened by the poisonous air and water in a deregulated America.
That describes us perfectly!
QuoteWe are living in a war zone right now. We just don't believe it yet. But it is coming. . .
Should be fun! :biggrin:
To those of you who criticized the amount of money it cost for Obama to take his family on vacation or for Michelle to travel abroad or the former president's use of Air Force One, where are your voices of self-righteous indignation now? You hypocrites can suck it!
Trump Tower security is costing the US taxpayer $400,000 every single day. (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-costs-more-protect-us-leader-president-history-a7456046.html)
He also filed with the FEC for the 2020 election on the day of the inauguration.
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg?_201701209041436569+0
He and Bannon are in this for the long haul.
What they have stirred up in people is dangerous. In a way, I feel sorry for Trump because he's too underqualified and ill-tempered to handle the job.
I suppose the best we can hope for is that most of his cabinet picks turn out well, that the public and his handlers can reign him in on foreign policy, and that 20-30% of voters will come to their senses before November of 2020. I'm not optimistic though. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on February 01, 2017, 10:26:47 AM
He also filed with the FEC for the 2020 election on the day of the inauguration.
This accomplishes several things for him, none of which are in the best interest of democracy. First, it effectively silences the voice of any non-profit that would speak negatively about him since opposing a political "candidate" is grounds for revoking an organizations 501(c)(3) status. I'm sure his supporters, who are as corrupt and anti-American as he is, don't see this as a problem.
QuoteHe and Bannon are in this for the long haul.
It's only a matter of time until the downfall (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/31/opinion/the-republican-fausts.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0) and when it happens, those on his side will be social pariahs. If there is great civil unrest at the time, a lot of those people will end up dead.
LOL!
"To say it's amateur hour at the White House is to slander amateurs."
:yes:
And that's written by a conservative commentator! :biggrin:
I cannot take anymore than 15-30 minutes of news media in any genre. The "play-by-play" narrative is among the most depressing and horrendous I have ever witnessed in my life; no matter what slant is applied by the chosen venue. Including social media.
I sometimes feel as if I am living within a surreal Stephen King or Dean Koontz horror novel. :spooked: :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on February 01, 2017, 10:26:47 AM
He also filed with the FEC for the 2020 election on the day of the inauguration.
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg?_201701209041436569+0
He and Bannon are in this for the long haul.
What they have stirred up in people is dangerous. In a way, I feel sorry for Trump because he's too underqualified and ill-tempered to handle the job.
I suppose the best we can hope for is that most of his cabinet picks turn out well, that the public and his handlers can reign him in on foreign policy, and that 20-30% of voters will come to their senses before November of 2020. I'm not optimistic though. :rolleyes:
I do not believe this nation can survive 4 years of his tyranny, much less 8. :mad: :eek: :mad:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 01, 2017, 07:29:33 AM
That describes us perfectly!
Should be fun! :biggrin:
It does describe us perfectly, however while it may be amusing for a period of time to see these sheep being slaughtered, I fear the fact the Raging Cheeto holds the reigns of power surrounding this nations arsenal of weapons, including those of mass destruction, and how he might utilize them against the majority of the population that opposes his tyranny.
Theoretically, this nation could be left in worse condition than Soviet Russia during the cold war. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 01, 2017, 01:32:06 PM
I cannot take anymore than 15-30 minutes of news media in any genre.
I was watching the news the other night and it reminded me of this (without the cool guitar riffs):
https://www.youtube.com/v/nO23B5C_Mcw
Quote from: Palehorse on February 01, 2017, 01:45:56 PM
Theoretically, this nation could be left in worse condition than Soviet Russia during the cold war. :yes:
Trump and Bannon have each said sometime during the past few years that they want to destroy American society as we know it.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 01, 2017, 01:46:38 PM
I was watching the news the other night and it reminded me of this (without the cool guitar riffs):
https://www.youtube.com/v/nO23B5C_Mcw
EXCELLENT analogy my friend. 8) Spot on! :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 01, 2017, 01:51:55 PM
Trump and Bannon have each said sometime during the past few years that they want to destroy American society as we know it.
Their actions fully support their statements. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 01, 2017, 01:56:07 PM
EXCELLENT analogy my friend. 8) Spot on! :yes:
Their actions fully support their statements. :yes:
Yes, but it's better when you close your eyes and listen. (I am facing serious Trump overload.)
Quote from: Palehorse on February 01, 2017, 01:32:06 PM
I cannot take anymore than 15-30 minutes of news media in any genre. The "play-by-play" narrative is among the most depressing and horrendous I have ever witnessed in my life; no matter what slant is applied by the chosen venue. Including social media.
I sometimes feel as if I am living within a surreal Stephen King or Dean Koontz horror novel. :spooked: :mad:
Yes! :eek: :spooked:
Quote from: libby on February 01, 2017, 10:34:04 PM
Yes! :eek: :spooked:
Quote from: libby on February 01, 2017, 10:18:46 PM
Yes, but it's better when you close your eyes and listen. (I am facing serious Trump overload.)
I find it surprisingly comforting to know I am not alone in feeling this way. . .
Quote from: libby on February 01, 2017, 10:18:46 PM
(I am facing serious Trump overload.)
That's what they want! They want us to overload and walk away which we can not do. Take a step back and do something to take your mind off of it for a while and then return with renewed vigor!
I'm watching the fucker at the National Prayer Breakfast. His innate narcissism comes out in every single speech he makes, be it in this venue, or elsewhere. It's always more about him and his accomplishments than it is the subject matter at hand.
Quote from: Locutus on February 02, 2017, 09:17:20 AM
I'm watching the fucker at the National Prayer Breakfast. His innate narcissism comes out in every single speech he makes, be it in this venue, or elsewhere. It's always more about him and his accomplishments than it is the subject matter at hand.
I find it strange that you didn't notice it in Obama when he always looked down his nose while talking and it was always all about him and not the people.
Quote from: me on February 02, 2017, 10:59:29 AM
I find it strange that you didn't notice it in Obama when he always looked down his nose while talking and it was always all about him and not the people.
The real irony is that you squalled like a scalded cat when your perception of President Obama held such an opinion, but say nothing when the Raging Cheeto actually
is worse than your perceptions of the former.
Quote from: me on February 02, 2017, 10:59:29 AM
I find it strange that you didn't notice it in Obama when he always looked down his nose while talking and it was always all about him and not the people.
Read: uppity negro.
The honeymoon is over: Wall Street is finally taking Trump literally. (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-honeymoon-is-over-wall-street-is-finally-taking-trump-literally-2017-02-01?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 02, 2017, 11:58:14 AM
The honeymoon is over: Wall Street is finally taking Trump literally. (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-honeymoon-is-over-wall-street-is-finally-taking-trump-literally-2017-02-01?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo)
I noticed it was back down off of the 20,000 mark as I was watching Trump at the prayer breakfast this morning.
Quote from: me on February 02, 2017, 10:59:29 AM
I find it strange that you didn't notice it in Obama when he always looked down his nose while talking and it was always all about him and not the people.
There is absolutely
NO comparison between the two, and the fact that you think there is speaks volumes about you. :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 02, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
Read: uppity negro.
That's exactly what it is and always has been.
Quote from: Locutus on February 02, 2017, 12:40:03 PM
That's exactly what it is and always has been.
Yep, they fool no one.
"Reuters reports that the Trump regime is implementing a new change to America's domestic terrorism programs that will officially install religious profiling against Muslims and remove the dangerous white supremacist extremist groups who are responsible for much violence across the United States from the watch lists." (http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/02/trump-just-removed-white-supremacist-groups-terror-watch-program/)
Bannon's fingerprints are all over that one. :rolleyes:
Ya, look at Berkley and what's happening there. Oh wait, those are anti Trump people, sorry go on with your rant those aren't terrorists or white supremacists just peaceful protesters who don't want to hear a different point of view. Both the KKK and Black Panther's should be on a watch list, not terrorist though in that sense of the word. Quit ignoring the loony left who are doing things like what's happening at Berkley, they also need on a watch list.
Someone is finally waking up I see.
https://www.youtube.com/v/RnjMtmXLlp0
Quote from: me on February 02, 2017, 02:12:46 PM
Ya, look at Berkley and what's happening there. Oh wait, those are anti Trump people, sorry go on with your rant those aren't terrorists or white supremacists just peaceful protesters who don't want to hear a different point of view. Both the KKK and Black Panther's should be on a watch list, not terrorist though in that sense of the word. Quit ignoring the loony left who are doing things like what's happening at Berkley, they also need on a watch list.
It is well documented that there are groups of apparent anarchists who are not associated with these protests who are showing up at them dressed in black and wearing masks and causing these disturbances. For all we know, your right-wing douche bags are paying them to do so to discredit what are otherwise peaceful protesters. Of course, that sort of propaganda works well with your sub-100 IQ crowd.
Now tell us, do you even know who Milo Yiannopoulos is?
Quote from: me on February 02, 2017, 02:30:50 PM
Someone is finally waking up I see.
Like I said before, the best way for cowards to make sure that terrorists never get them is to shoot themselves in the head!
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2017/2/2/14482840/anarchists-uc-berkeley-violence-protests-california-golden-bears (http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2017/2/2/14482840/anarchists-uc-berkeley-violence-protests-california-golden-bears)
And now we find out Neil Gorsach founded a club called "Fascism Forever" while in high school. You just can't make this kind of shit up.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 02, 2017, 08:37:41 AM
That's what they want! They want us to overload and walk away which we can not do. Take a step back and do something to take your mind off of it for a while and then return with renewed vigor!
I know. I'm tough, and there's no walking away for me.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 01, 2017, 10:36:24 PM
I find it surprisingly comforting to know I am not alone in feeling this way. . .
:yes: Kindred souls.
You all are pathetic.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 02, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
Read: uppity negro.
You forgot educated uppity. People tend to think that about him and his wife.
When someone looks down their noses at people be they black or white, yes, they can be called an uppity person. The other name is your words not mine.
Quote from: me on February 02, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
When someone looks down their noses at people be they black or white, yes, they can be called an uppity person. The other name is your words not mine.
Examples of Obama "looking down his nose" at others?
I won't hold my breath.
Quote from: Locutus on February 02, 2017, 08:09:15 PM
Examples of Obama "looking down his nose" at others?
I won't hold my breath.
I think we can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on February 02, 2017, 08:26:08 PM
I think we can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first.
Did you not ever watch him when he gave one of his stump speeches or at most of his town halls?
Quote from: me on February 02, 2017, 09:26:15 PM
Did you not ever watch him when he gave one of his stump speeches or at most of his town halls?
Yes, yes Thunder Thighs, you're just like the three monkeys when it comes to Republicans. You see no evil, you hear no evil and you speak of no evil when it come to Republicans in Washington DC. :hogslop: :mooning:
Speaking of blacks and whites and uppity people and such, below is a funny story about our current POTUS. Seriously, I wonder who the heck wrote his speech for Black History Month?
Trump implied Frederick Douglass was alive. The abolitionist's family offered a 'history lesson.'
By Cleve R. Wootson Jr. February 2 at 12:25 PM
The White House's vague statements about Frederick Douglass Play Video0:36
President Trump and press secretary Sean Spicer highlighted Frederick Douglass on Feb. 1, the first day of Black History Month. Trump said that Douglass, the former slave, abolitionist, author and vice-presidential candidate, "is an example of somebody who's done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more, I notice." (The Washington Post)
The world may never know whether President Trump just got a little sloppy with his verb tenses on Wednesday morning or simply had no idea that the famous black abolitionist Frederick Douglass was, in fact, dead.
"Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who's done an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I notice," the president said.
Critics seized on Trump's comments at a Black History Month event, mercilessly attacking him for statements that spoke of Douglass in the present tense.
The Atlantic asked, simply: "Does Donald Trump actually know who Frederick Douglass was?" and said that Trump's remarks were "transparently empty."
The Washington Post's Dana Milbank joked that Trump "raised the dead."
And someone started a Frederick Douglass Twitter account that trolled the president before it was deleted (although some of the tweets have been saved).
Even White House press secretary Sean Spicer struggled to clarify Douglass-gate when asked at a briefing later on Wednesday. "I think there's contributions — I think he wants to highlight the contributions that he has made," Spicer said of Trump's reference to Douglass. "And I think through a lot of the actions and statements that he's going to make, I think the contributions of Frederick Douglass will become more and more."
Kenneth B. Morris Jr. (Frederick Douglass Family Initiatives) Kenneth B. Morris Jr. (Frederick Douglass Family Initiatives)
But the descendants of the revered abolitionist — who, just to be clear, died in 1895 after becoming a powerful voice against slavery and then Jim Crow — responded on Wednesday.
"My first instinct was to go on the attack," said Kenneth B. Morris Jr., Douglass's great-great-great grandson. "I think it was obvious to anyone that heard [Trump's] comments or read his comments that he was not up to speed on who Frederick Douglass was. We just thought that was an opportunity to do a history lesson and to make some points about what we're currently working on."
The family released a statement on the Huffington Post on Wednesday.
"Like the President, we use the present tense when referencing Douglass's accomplishments because his spirit and legacy are still very much alive, not just during Black History Month, but every month," the family wrote.
" ... We believe, if he had more time to elaborate, the President would have mentioned the following: Frederick Douglas has done an amazing job ..."
This is a photo of a daguerreotype of abolitionist Frederick Douglas. (AP Photo) This is a photo of a daguerreotype of abolitionist Frederick Douglass. (AP Photo)
Then the family mic-dropped 15 things Douglass has done a great job at:
"Enduring the inhumanity of slavery after being born heir to anguish and exploitation but still managing to become a force for solace and liberty when America needed it most."
"Teaching himself to read and write and becoming one of the country's most eloquent spokespersons."
"Composing the Narrative of his life and helping to expose slavery for the crime against humankind that it is."
"Risking life and limb by escaping the abhorrent institution"
"Arguing against unfair U.S. immigration restrictions."
If Douglass were still alive, he'd celebrate his 200th birthday next year.
The family's statement said they were involved in several initiatives that highlight their ancestor's legacy.
"We look forward to helping re-animate Douglass's passion for equality and justice over the coming year leading up to his Bicentennial in 2018," the statement said. "We encourage the President to join in that effort."
Cleve Wootson is a general assignment reporter for The Washington Post. Follow @CleveWootson
Quote from: me on February 02, 2017, 09:26:15 PM
Did you not ever watch him when he gave one of his stump speeches or at most of his town halls?
Yes and I didn't see him looking down at people.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on February 03, 2017, 06:35:52 AM
Yes and I didn't see him looking down at people.
Only someone who thought he was an "uppity negro" would have thought that way. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 09:20:52 AM
Only someone who thought he was an "uppity negro" would have thought that way. :rolleyes:
Exactly, I thought his speeches were also well thought of and done very well. It was obvious he and his team put a lot time into the speeches and planning.
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 09:20:52 AM
Only someone who thought he was an "uppity negro" would have thought that way. :rolleyes:
Uppity person, that he is black it only obvious and does not need mentioned constantly. You all really seem to be fixated on bringing that up constantly and I find that racist.
Quote from: me on February 03, 2017, 10:57:57 AM
Uppity person, that he is black it only obvious and does not need mentioned constantly. You all really seem to be fixated on bringing that up constantly and I find that racist.
Pointing out racism in others does not make one a racist. :razz:
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 09:20:52 AM
Only someone who thought he was an "uppity negro" would have thought that way. :rolleyes:
Exactly.
Raging Cheeto is rolling back all of the regulations on the banks and financial sectors put into place after the housing fiasco and economic downturn.
Here we go folks. Deja Vu! :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on February 02, 2017, 03:36:26 PM
And now we find out Neil Gorsach founded a club called "Fascism Forever" while in high school. You just can't make this kind of shit up.
Apparently you CAN MAKE THIS SHIT UP!!
Like many other things being reported.........add this to the fake news dept...
http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/ (http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/)
Is this another LIE? YEP!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 11:29:15 AM
Apparently you CAN MAKE THIS SHIT UP!!
Like many other things being reported.........add this to the fake news dept...
http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/ (http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/)
Is this another LIE? YEP!
Yeah, I didn't pass this along because I saw that it originated from the Daily Mail and I recognize that as a tabloid, unlike most neocons who post shit from that rag constantly.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 11:29:15 AM
Apparently you CAN MAKE THIS SHIT UP!!
Like many other things being reported.........add this to the fake news dept...
http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/ (http://www.snopes.com/neil-gorsuchs-fascism-forever-club/)
Is this another LIE? YEP!
Okay, but it did appear in the yearbook. From that Snopes article:
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[Gorsuch] wrote that he founded and led the "Fascism Forever Club," though those with knowledge of the school back in the 1980s say there was no such club. The mention of it in the yearbook was a tongue-in-cheek attempt to poke fun at liberal peers who teased him about his fierce conservatism.
It was "a total joke," said Steve Ochs, a history teacher at Georgetown Prep who was the student government advisor during Mr. Gorsuch's junior and senior years at the Bethesda, Md., school.----------
So it was a joke.
But where are we when fascism is a joke? All the people who died because of it, and it's a joke. Well, I guess when you have a straight-up fascist at the right hand of a president, then I guess that's where we are.
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 11:48:44 AM
Okay, but it did appear in the yearbook. From that Snopes article:
----------
[Gorsuch] wrote that he founded and led the "Fascism Forever Club," though those with knowledge of the school back in the 1980s say there was no such club. The mention of it in the yearbook was a tongue-in-cheek attempt to poke fun at liberal peers who teased him about his fierce conservatism.
It was "a total joke," said Steve Ochs, a history teacher at Georgetown Prep who was the student government advisor during Mr. Gorsuch's junior and senior years at the Bethesda, Md., school.
----------
So it was a joke.
But where are we when fascism is a joke? All the people who died because of it, and it's a joke. Well, I guess when you have a straight-up fascist at the right hand of a president, then I guess that's where we are.
C'mon! If me or myself (no pun) had posted something like this YOU would have had a conniption fit!
I cannot stomach this forum anymore........to be quite honest.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 11:56:15 AM
C'mon! If me or myself (no pun) had posted something like this YOU would have had a conniption fit!
I cannot stomach this forum anymore........to be quite honest.
Not true if you had come around after something was pointed out. I acknowledged that the club never existed, but did point out - from your own article no less - that the yearbook entry was indeed there.
Then I simply asked the question if fascism is really something we should be joking about.
And BTW, my comments about Bannon stand, and are supported by evidence.
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 11:02:15 AM
Pointing out racism in others does not make one a racist. :razz:
If he were white I'd say the same thing. I am pointing out an attitude not a race you are the ones who keep mentioning race therefore you must have a problem with it.
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 11:59:49 AM
Not true if you had come around after something was pointed out. I acknowledged that the club never existed, but did point out -
You are so damn quick to jump ON EVERYTHING reported........then you make the remark..."you can't make this shit up"........when YES, you can! and it has happened several times since Trump has gained the spot light...that is why he calls it FAKE NEWS!
Journalist and liberals are imploding! Berkeley is RIOTING because of the 1st amendment! They don't like a person who was PAID to speak there and they burn and destroy!!
It is WAY more embarrassing to our nation than ANYTHING Trump has said or done!
And I no longer find this shit amusing, but rather sick to my stomach that the democrat party is making a fool of themselves.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 12:24:35 PM
You are so damn quick to jump ON EVERYTHING reported........then you make the remark..."you can't make this shit up"........when YES, you can! and it has happened several times since Trump has gained the spot light...that is why he calls it FAKE NEWS!
Well it's certainly debatable that this is indeed "fake news" as that entry was in the yearbook as the Snopes article noted. It can easily be seen why one would think, at first glance, that such a club existed at the time due to the yearbook entry. Snopes cited additional research and interviews that showed a club didn't exist, but the yearbook entry did. So I'm not sure if "fake news" 100% applies in this instance.
BTW, haven't you called Snopes a liberal site before? :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 12:24:35 PM
Journalist and liberals are imploding! Berkeley is RIOTING because of the 1st amendment! They don't like a person who was PAID to speak there and they burn and destroy!!
It is WAY more embarrassing to our nation than ANYTHING Trump has said or done!
As Ex noted before, those people burning and destroying things are largely anarchists who are disturbing what are supposed to be peaceful protests, and not liberals imploding.
As to journalists, I haven't seen any of them imploding.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 12:24:35 PM
And I no longer find this shit amusing, but rather sick to my stomach that the democrat party is making a fool of themselves.
How are members of the Democratic party making fools of themselves? They're not doing anything now that the Republican party hasn't done - in some cases to a worse extreme - for the past 6 years.
BTW, Trump labels as "fake news" anything that he thinks paints him in a bad light even if it's true. :yes:
Ever hear of the Bowling Green Massacre? :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 12:33:46 PM
As Ex noted before, those people burning and destroying things are largely anarchists who are disturbing what are supposed to be peaceful protests, and not liberals imploding.
Then why isn't the democrat party denouncing this group? Why isn't there an outrage? Just because a conservative was going to talk....there is rioting?
There was rioting the day of the inauguration!
There was rioting at several Trump rallies!
There was rioting in Ferguson!
There was rioting over Trayvon!
There was rioting in Baltimore!
There was rioting by the Occupy Wall Street!
Were they just anarchists??
Liberals are sore losers! I don't know how else to label it! They LOST the election! When Obama won, we had a Tea Party movement, that was peaceful. We organized and we regained control of the house and senate! If the liberals continue to allow this BS! They will lose MORE congress to the point that the right will dominate this country like you could you never imagine!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 11:56:15 AM
I cannot stomach this forum anymore........to be quite honest.
Aw...do you need to go to your safe place, snowflake?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 12:24:35 PM
And it has happened several times since Trump has gained the spot light...that is why he calls it FAKE NEWS!
You mean like the size of his inauguration crowd? Do you think it was bigger than Obama's in 2009?
QuoteBerkeley is RIOTING because of the 1st amendment! They don't like a person who was PAID to speak there and they burn and destroy!!
Speaking of fake news...it has already been established that the people who were protesting douche bag Milo were not the people burning and rioting.
QuoteAnd I no longer find this shit amusing, but rather sick to my stomach that the democrat party is making a fool of themselves.
Keep telling yourself that. I'm just happy I didn't die in the Bowling Green Massacre! :o
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 12:35:45 PM
BTW, Trump labels as "fake news" anything that he thinks paints him in a bad light even if it's true. :yes:
Ever hear of the Bowling Green Massacre? :biggrin:
Seems to me I remember Obama doing that also.
Quote from: me on February 03, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
Seems to me I remember Obama doing that also.
Can you be more specific? I'm pretty sure this is another of your delusions.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 03, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
You mean like the size of his inauguration crowd? Do you think it was bigger than Obama's in 2009?
His total audience, including the social media audience, the TV audience (world wide) is what HE was referring too....Hell, I watched it most of it on facebook, while I was at work. I know many folks who watched it from their iPhones or on their computers.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 03, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
Speaking of fake news...it has already been established that the people who were protesting douche bag Milo were not the people burning and rioting.
All I know is, there was rioting done AT BERKELEY, because of Milo....
Tell me WHO, "established" that the protesters were NOT the one's rioting? that is so much bullshit.........
Quote from: Exterminator on February 03, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Aw...do you need to go to your safe place, snowflake?
Nope! Just some tums!
I'm no liberal *****! Who needs safe zones and sanctuary cities!! or who gets their butt hurt after getting this asses kicked in this recent election!!
It's all good for me!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 02:38:34 PM
His total audience, including the social media audience, the TV audience (world wide) is what HE was referring too....Hell, I watched it most of it on facebook, while I was at work. I know many folks who watched it from their iPhones or on their computers.
You must be a big fan of alternate facts.
The crowd actually attending the inauguration was much smaller than Obama's as is proven by photographic evidence, Nielsen said that Trump's inauguration was watched by 30.6 million viewers across 12 networks whereas Obama's was watched by 37.8 million and while it's impossible to accurately determine how many people live-streamed either event, we do know that 16.9 million viewers watched Trump on CNN and 25 million who watched Obama.
It's disingenuous to say that Trump's original attack on CNN wasn't directly related to the crowd actually attending the inauguration when he accused them of being fake news but none of the other numbers support that bullshit either.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 02:40:27 PM
Tell me WHO, "established" that the protesters were NOT the one's rioting? that is so much bullshit.........
Pull your head out of your ass and do some research, stupid.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 02:46:49 PM
I'm no liberal *****! Who needs safe zones and sanctuary cities!! or who gets their butt hurt after getting this asses kicked in this recent election!!
LOL! Asses kicked...as in almost 3 million more votes than your guy?
BTW, have you gotten any closer to realizing your fantasy of being able to blow him?
Poor Ivanka...Nordstrom just pulled her clothing line and Neiman Marcus pulled her jewelry. :'(
Quote from: Exterminator on February 03, 2017, 03:23:40 PM
LOL! Asses kicked...as in almost 3 million more votes than your guy?
Do you even realize, Since Obama has taken office that the democrats has a net loss of 1,042 state and federal Democratic posts, including congressional and state legislative seats, governorships and the presidency?? THAT is an ASS-KICKIN!!!!
That's going to reverse probably as early as 2018. Trump's approval ratings are already in the tank.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 03, 2017, 01:56:56 PM
I'm just happy I didn't die in the Bowling Green Massacre! :o
I'm glad you didn't die either Ex. However, for those who did, a fund has been established. Make sure you click the "Donate" button. :biggrin: :biggrin:
http://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com (http://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com)
:rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 03:33:40 PM
That's going to reverse probably as early as 2018. Trump's approval ratings are already in the tank.
According to who??? (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
The polls!!! (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
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Most of the people I know are pumped and excited about the future....those who don't listen to the hollywood crowd or MSNBC...(http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
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Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 03:40:50 PM
I'm glad you didn't die either Ex. However, for those who did, a fund has been established. Make sure you click the "Donate" button. :biggrin: :biggrin:
http://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com (http://www.bowlinggreenmassacrefund.com)
:rotfl:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 03:47:58 PM
According to who??? (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
The polls!!! (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
Just like that blue wall we could NEVER break?? (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
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May have to put this in the filing cabinet. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 03:47:58 PM
Most of the people I know are pumped and excited about the future...
I'm sure they are!
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;D
Maybe he and Hank can make a donation to the Bowling Green Massacre fund.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 02:40:27 PM
All I know is, there was rioting done AT BERKELEY, because of Milo....
Tell me WHO, "established" that the protesters were NOT the one's rioting? that is so much bullshit.........
Dan Mogulof, the UC Berkeley spokesman did. :rolleyes:
He states that the agitators were part of an anarchist group known as the "Black Bloc" that has been causing problems in and around that area for years.
Like Ex said, do some research and you may learn something.
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 04:15:36 PM
Dan Mogulof, the UC Berkeley spokesman did. :rolleyes:
He states that the agitators were part of an anarchist group known as the "Black Bloc" that has been causing problems in and around that area for years.
Like Ex said, do some research and you may learn something.
That is bullshit and you know it is! There hasn't been a riot like that at Berkeley for years..........i'm sure the millennials, who are to dumb to realize how they are being manipulated by Soros and company.......the dems are loving this crap!
The funny thing is, you guys think it hurts Trump, but it only ignites the people who voted for him in the first place........we have all the confidence that Trump is going to do what is best for the country.........but you guys are living in fear....that is how the dems rule and those days are coming to an end.
And as funny as you guys think you are, that bozo you posted represents the democrat party WAY more than the GOP!!
And for the love of GOD!!! quit acting like you are the only one that does any research........the research you did, had Hillary being our nex POTUS
You want me to trust your word as to whom the agitators were as opposed to the spokesperson of the university who was there? :rolleyes:
Are you serious?
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 04:27:19 PM
You want me to trust your word as to whom the agitators were as opposed to the spokesperson of the university who was there? :rolleyes:
Are you serious?
I don't know, I told who our next potus was going to be.........got that right. :razz:
That you did! I have to give that to you.
Quote from: Locutus on February 03, 2017, 04:15:36 PM
Dan Mogulof, the UC Berkeley spokesman did. :rolleyes:
He states that the agitators were part of an anarchist group known as the "Black Bloc" that has been causing problems in and around that area for years.
Like Ex said, do some research and you may learn something.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 04:25:32 PM
That is bullshit and you know it is! There hasn't been a riot like that at Berkeley for years..........i'm sure the millennials, who are to dumb to realize how they are being manipulated by Soros and company.......the dems are loving this crap!
The funny thing is, you guys think it hurts Trump, but it only ignites the people who voted for him in the first place........we have all the confidence that Trump is going to do what is best for the country.........but you guys are living in fear....that is how the dems rule and those days are coming to an end.
And as funny as you guys think you are, that bozo you posted represents the democrat party WAY more than the GOP!!
And for the love of GOD!!! quit acting like you are the only one that does any research........the research you did, had Hillary being our nex POTUS
HH, I read Berkeleyside, the independent newspaper of Berkeley, CA, and they gave this quote from UC Berkeley: "
UC Berkeley condemns in the strongest possible terms the actions of individuals who invaded the campus, infiltrated a crowd of peaceful students, and used violent tactics to close down a talk by Milo Yiannopoulos. We deeply regret that the violence unleashed by this group undermined the First Amendment rights of the speaker as well as those who came to lawfully assemble and protest his presence." and
"Last night the UC Berkeley campus was invaded by more than 100 armed individuals clad in masks and dark uniforms who utilized paramilitary tactics to engage in violent destructive behavior designed to shut the event down." The paper also said
"Many were carrying heavy sticks with black and Communist-themed flags, their faces obscured with bandana masks and hats pulled low on their foreheads. The protestors dressed in black, some of who called themselves "Black Bloc," or "Antifa" or who were members of BAMN – By Any Means Necessary – started to throw rocks at the police gathered near the student union. They set off what UC Berkeley Police Chief Margo Bennett called "commercial grade fireworks," and threw Molotov cocktails. They tore apart the metal barricades and threw them into the windows of the Amazon store on the first floor of the student union, shattering the windows."I'll echo what Ex said, do some research and you may learn something. It's really not that hard to do.
^^^ Thank you Abby!
Where were the cops?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 04:25:32 PM
...who are to dumb to realize...
Irony alert!
QuoteAnd as funny as you guys think you are, that bozo you posted represents the democrat party WAY more than the GOP!!
Get real. Most of the liberals I know are clean-cut, clean-shaven, well-dressed, educated, successful professionals with attractive families who go to the gym and take care of themselves. In contrast, when I go to Trump supporters' social media pages, I invariably find either fat or beer-bellied, balding middle-aged or older white men with cock-sucker goatees, morbidly obese wives and snaggletoothed kids who look like they're the product of incest. I can almost always predict what I'll find before I even click on the links.
If Pogo lived today he would say, "We have discovered the enemy and it is the people who voted for Trump" :pigdance:
;D
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Here's yer Hillary supporters, people to be real proud of huh? :rolleyes:
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Quote from: me on February 04, 2017, 02:57:50 PM
Here's yer Hillary supporters, people to be real proud of huh? :rolleyes:
Post your picture so we know what a Trump supporter looks like. LMFAO!
:biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 04, 2017, 04:21:54 PM
Post your picture so we know what a Trump supporter looks like. LMFAO!
Click the links and you'll see them. Real classy people.
Quote from: me on February 04, 2017, 07:48:04 PM
Click the links and you'll see them. Real classy people.
I don't care about them. Let's see how 'classy' you are. LMAO!
It has become increasingly clear to me that the terrorists won on 9/11.
This country has been divided. . .
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And half the country's wearing the fuckin' things. :mad:
Now the guy who campaigned saying that he was going to take on Wall Street is preparing to gut the Dodd-Frank Act. I'm sure his supporters are too stupid to understand the abject level of hypocrisy that represents. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 06, 2017, 12:29:06 PM
Now the guy who campaigned saying that he was going to take on Wall Street is preparing to gut the Dodd-Frank Act. I'm sure his supporters are too stupid to understand the abject level of hypocrisy that represents. :rolleyes:
Just as I predicted, change the rules to empower the wealthy on the backs of the middle-class. . . Doesn't take psychic powers to see that one coming 10 thousand miles away! :mad: :mad: :mad:
And he is pissing off every single global power on the planet, alienating this nation from the world and placing it within the path of clear and present dangers; domestic and foreign.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 12:24:35 PM
...and it has happened several times since Trump has gained the spot light...that is why he calls it FAKE NEWS!
In one day yesterday, Trump claimed that there have been terrorists attacks that no one knows about because the media chose not to report them, that
all polls (and there are many) that say that the majority of Americans disagree with his immigration ban are 'fake news', claims that because of the judges order,
anyone can now enter the country and continues to claim that millions of people voted illegally, despite there being absolutely no evidence to support this and no lawmakers on either side of the aisle who believe it.
At what point do you admit that he's bat shit crazy and a liar?
And his staff are every bit as bad. :rolleyes:
If his two most ardent supporters here are indicative of his supporters at large, I don't think they care.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2017, 07:39:38 AM
At what point do you admit that he's bat shit crazy and a liar?
When will YOU admit that Obama was bat shit crazy and a liar?
"If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it"
"90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush's policies"
"The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism"
"I didn't call the Islamic State a 'JV' team"
"If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it"
"Let me say this as plainly as I can: by Aug. 31, 2010, our combat mission in Iraq will end."
"We have not had a major scandal in my administration."
"More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America"
"We signed into law the biggest middle-class tax cut in history"
"If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it"
"90 percent of the budget deficit is due to George W. Bush's policies"
"Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation"
"The Keystone pipeline is for oil that bypasses the United States"
"We have fired a whole bunch of people who are in charge of these [VA] facilities"
"If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it"
Everyone was a LIE.........you guys were just fine with it. HE LIED.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2017, 11:51:11 AM
Everyone was a LIE.........you guys were just fine with it. HE LIED.
We could argue the point on several of the items in your list but Obama is anything but bat shit crazy and we aren't talking about him. What, exactly, will Trump have to say or do before you morons admit that you fucked up royally? Do you honestly believe that any of those things you attribute to Obama are as egregious as the things Trump is saying? If you do, do the world a favor and suck start a shotgun.
And by the way, next time you decide to cut and paste something from one of your right-wing fake news web sites, you might want to make sure that some of the items don't appear in your list several times.
Now answer the question about Trump's lies and quit deflecting.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2017, 12:56:14 PM
We could argue the point on several of the items in your list but Obama is anything but bat shit crazy and we aren't talking about him. What, exactly, will Trump have to say or do before you morons admit that you fucked up royally? Do you honestly believe that any of those things you attribute to Obama are as egregious as the things Trump is saying? If you do, do the world a favor and suck start a shotgun.
And by the way, next time you decide to cut and paste something from one of your right-wing fake news web sites, you might want to make sure that some of the items don't appear in your list several times.
Now answer the question about Trump's lies and quit deflecting.
I intentionally posted "If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it" several times....because I thought it would be FUNNY and mostly because...he lied through his teeth about HealthCare so it would pass.
I will tell you this Ex, it is people like YOU, who talk down to others, when you are so wrong about things. It is people LIKE YOU, who agreed with Hillary about Trump supporters are "deplorable"...people like YOU who insist we are racists, when we are not....people like YOU who doesn't agree with your OPINIONS you call "idiots".... it was people like YOU, who put Trump into office!!
Maybe you should shut the hell up and get over it. ;) (I'm talking like you so maybe you will understand me a little better.... :razz: )
I will stand firmly, that Trump would/will be HANDS DOWN, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than Hillary would have or Obama WAS....He has only been in 2 weeks and has made a positive difference in this country.
As I have said SEVERAL times on here, time will tell us the truth......if he sucks, he will be gone in 4 years.........if he is successful, he will be here for eight, with Pence following for another 8.
I am happy as HELL that Hillary didn't win..... ;) .....and even HAPPIER that Trump is my POTUS! (True story :yes: )
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2017, 01:28:56 PM
I intentionally posted "If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it" several times....because I thought it would be FUNNY and mostly because...he lied through his teeth about HealthCare so it would pass.
I still have exactly the same health care plan I had before the ACA was passed.
Quote...people like YOU who insist we are racists, when we are not..."
For somebody who's not a racist, you have to spend a lot of time saying, "I'm not a racist."
Quote...people like YOU who doesn't agree with your OPINIONS you call "idiots"...
Not at all true. If someone differs with my opinion and their argument is well thought out and rooted in fact, I respect that. Those whose don't are idiots.
Quoteit was people like YOU, who put Trump into office!!
No it wasn't, it was racist fat rednecks who are afraid of losing their white superiority. It's society's parasites...people who never did anything for their country, shit on the Constitution they claim to support and can't even be responsible enough citizens to do something as simple as pay their kids' school fees without having to be drug into court and made to.
QuoteHe has only been in 2 weeks and has made a positive difference in this country.
You need to get off the meth.
How about you list the things that Trump promised to do while he was campaigning and tell us which of those things hasn't significantly changed since he's been in office?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2017, 02:28:26 PM
I still have exactly the same health care plan I had before the ACA was passed.
My Brother, my sister, my brother-in-law and my nephew, has ALL lost theirs....there premiums has sky-rocketed and the coverage sucks.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2017, 02:28:26 PM
For somebody who's not a racist, you have to spend a lot of time saying, "I'm not a racist."
When people like YOU say it to me EVERYDAY...that is what I reply with. It used to be offensive, but I realize that seems to be "all the left has". Scare tactics! Trying to convince minorities, that white, male, republicans hate them. It is a vicious lie.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2017, 02:28:26 PM
No it wasn't, it was racist fat rednecks who are afraid of losing their white superiority. It's society's parasites...people who never did anything for their country, shit on the Constitution they claim to support and can't even be responsible enough citizens to do something as simple as pay their kids' school fees without having to be drug into court and made to.
You just made my point....
Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2017, 02:28:26 PM
How about you list the things that Trump promised to do while he was campaigning and tell us which of those things hasn't significantly changed since he's been in office?
Where's your list? You claim he's already made the country better...how? Was appointing the same people to his cabinet who he railed against while he was campaigning draining the swamp? Where's the wall Mexico is going to pay for? Where's the replacement for Obamacare...conservatives have had 7 years to work on this...why don't they have anything? How about his pledge not to take vacations and then spending $3 million last week to go to Mar-A-Lago? What about the $400,000.00 a day taxpayers are paying to protect Trump Tower (a private building)? Where are the tariffs on China and Mexico (that will ultimately cost hundreds of thousands of American workers their jobs)? Where are all of these manufacturing jobs (87% of which were lost to automation)?
He's done nothing but run his jib and alienate us from our long-term allies. Maybe your fantasies about rolling around under the sheets with him have blinded you to these obvious facts. Maybe you're just using alternate facts. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 07, 2017, 02:28:26 PM
How about you list the things that Trump promised to do while he was campaigning and tell us which of those things hasn't significantly changed since he's been in office?
Consumer confidence is at a 12-year high........because of Trump optimism.
The Keystone Pipeline is going, despite your arguments, WILL stimulate our economy.
A stimulated economy will fix many of the other issues we face....like the Healthcare. A strong economy allows business to carry a good HC package to its employees....
Let me remind YOU, it has ONLY been two weeks.
and quit being a dick.........really.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2017, 03:07:55 PM
Consumer confidence is at a 12-year high........because of Trump optimism.
Make sure and let us know when that translates into real dollars.
QuoteThe Keystone Pipeline is going, despite your arguments, WILL stimulate our economy.
Stimulate our economy how? Sure, it'll create some short term jobs but then? And do you really think American pipe will be used? Do you not think they already have much of the materials they need? Then, of course, there's the issue of contaminating a huge aquifer when it eventually leaks but I guess for people whose kids already look like they have birth defects that sort of thing doesn't matter much.
QuoteLet me remind YOU, it has ONLY been two weeks.
Maybe it's I who should be reminding you it's only been two weeks.
Quoteand quit being a dick.........really.
I thought you people were tired of political correctness and liked people who were insulting and told it like it is...you elected one!
Hank, in all seriousness, if you think Trump is "draining the swamp," then you're clearly delusional.
You've been lied to and you bought the whole package. Hook, line, and sinker.
Quote from: Locutus on February 07, 2017, 03:56:24 PM
Hank, in all seriousness, if you think Trump is "draining the swamp," then you're clearly delusional.
You've been lied to and you bought the whole package. Hook, line, and sinker.
Time will tell.
Listen, you KNEW for damn sure, that Trump was NOT going to win.........it might be a reality check, that YOU aren't always right. Trump has/is proving to do things people said could NOT be done.
Time will tell....
But, I have NO regrets...........the democrats put Hillary in as the alternative and apparently, that was enough for Trump to win. Give him four years and boot him out if he isn't "making america great again".
Hank, we're in interesting times when Bill Kristol is a routine contributor to CNN.
Betsy DeVos' brother is the founder of the since renamed and rebranded Blackwater, and there are the numerous other cabinet appointments of Wall Street people to cabinet positions, etc.
Do you seriously think he's cleaning the swamp?
It's okay if you say I don't think he is, or you don't care if he is, but at least be honest. After all, he's not being honest with any of us who didn't vote for him, or with any of you who did. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2017, 03:07:55 PM
Consumer confidence is at a 12-year high........because of Trump optimism.
The Keystone Pipeline is going, despite your arguments, WILL stimulate our economy.
A stimulated economy will fix many of the other issues we face....like the Healthcare. A strong economy allows business to carry a good HC package to its employees....
Let me remind YOU, it has ONLY been two weeks.
and quit being a dick.........really.
Just don't forget, Hank, that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by a huge margin. Trump is POTUS because of the Electoral College, and therein lies the Democratic solace. Trump KNOWS the truth, that he's in over his head, and that's why he can't stop tweeting.
Quote from: Locutus on February 07, 2017, 05:00:57 PM
Do you seriously think he's cleaning the swamp?
WTF is he talking about, "time will tell"? Do these people live in an alternate universe? :rolleyes:
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Quote from: libby on February 07, 2017, 08:23:03 PM
Just don't forget, Hank, that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by a huge margin. Trump is POTUS because of the Electoral College, and therein lies the Democratic solace. Trump KNOWS the truth, that he's in over his head, and that's why he can't stop tweeting.
The Atlanta Hawk was the most popular team........the vast majority of Americans wanted Atlanta to beat the Patriots..........they LOST. That is the rules of the game. The team with the most POINTS wins. Trump WON by the rules of the game and got the most points.
The electoral college did EXACTLY what our forefathers created it to do.........because we are the United STATES of America.....we are NOT Amerika! or the United States of California... you take away CA and trump wins pop vote by 1.4. Our Forefathers had the hindsight to foresee this. I don't think you would want JUST Texas deciding who our POTUS will be, nor New York.........we have 50 states, all must have a voice.
nuff said on that.
Not for a second, do I believe Trump is in "over his head". I think he is doing EXACTLY what he planned on doing....he is changing on HOW things TYPICALLY have been done. I think it is refreshing and exciting to see this approach.
Again, we would probably not even have this discussion had the democrat party put anyone in there besides Hillary Clinton...........
I meant Falcons (whoops) :-[
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2017, 08:23:38 AM
The electoral college did EXACTLY what our forefathers created it to do.........because we are the United STATES of America.....we are NOT Amerika! or the United States of California... you take away CA and trump wins pop vote by 1.4. Our Forefathers had the hindsight to foresee this. I don't think you would want JUST Texas deciding who our POTUS will be, nor New York.........we have 50 states, all must have a voice.
This is complete and utter bullshit. Much in the same way you erroneously claim that the country was founded on Christian principles, your understanding of why the electoral college was originally founded is similarly flawed.
The electoral college was created during a time in which there were no telephones, radios, television, internet and newspapers were printed on wooden printing presses. The telegraph didn't even exist at the time. Given this lack of ability to disseminate information, our forefathers recognized that it would be impossible for voters all over the country to know anything about the people who were running for president. To that end, they created the electoral college who would be elected by the voters in their districts and would then travel to Washington, learn about the candidates and vote for the candidate who they believed represented the best interests of their constituents back at home.
Given the speed with which information travels in modern society, there is no argument that can be made that anyone lacks access to enough information to make a decision on how to cast his/her vote. The electoral college is therefore obsolete and should be abolished.
I often hear the argument that people in less populous states would lose their voice in the federal government were this to happen. Let's examine this, shall we? California is the country's most populous state and also the state with the largest number of electoral votes at 55 or roughly one vote for every 709, 862 people. Montana is the country's least populous state with 3 electoral votes or roughly one vote for every 194,219 people. What this means is that every persons vote in Montana is worth the same as 3.65 people's votes in California. Do you honestly believe that the founders' intention was for some people's votes to be worth nearly 4 times that of others? Do you consider that a fair and equitable system? For the record, every vote in Montana is worth almost 3 times what ours in Indiana are as well.
Another consideration should be who is most directly affected by the issues that any given administration must deal with. I would argue that many of these more directly affect densely populated urban areas far more than sparsely populated rural ones. Lets use terrorism as an example. Is it more likely that terrorist would fly an airliner into a skyscraper in New York City or into a general store in Podunk, Montana? Despite the obviousness of the answer, every citizen in Montana still enjoys a far more valuable vote than the citizens of New York. How does that make sense?
Another old, worn out argument, one made by Trump himself, is that if the election was decided on the popular vote alone, politicians would only campaign in the most populated areas, neglecting those that are not. While this may be true, a simple analysis of the number of stops made in various places by the candidates in the most recent election reveals that they did this to a great extent anyway except they concentrated on key battleground states rather than those with the greatest number of people. What's the difference?
I will conclude with this thought: if John Kerry had gotten a mere 66,000 more votes in Ohio in 2004, he would have won the election despite having had 3 million fewer votes than Bush. Would you have been as gleeful about that outcome as you are about douchebag Donny?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2017, 07:38:29 AM
WTF is he talking about, "time will tell"? Do these people live in an alternate universe? :rolleyes:
I don't know. It's on clear display every damn day.
Seriously? I have to explain....."Time will tell"? :rolleyes:
When YOU said we could NOT tear down the blue wall..........I said, "time will tell"...........and in period of time since, the truth was revealed.....and the blue wall was knocked down.
Simple really.
Time has already told that he was lying about draining the swamp Hank. His cabinet is full of Wall Street executives, Goldman Sachs officials, etc. That's hardly draining the swamp by any stretch of the imagination.
But like Ex said, what time will tell is how the rural people who voted for him are going to be more negatively impacted by his policies than any of the blue state city residents who didn't.
They're the ones that already are facing doctor shortages which may be exacerbated by this travel and future anti-immigration policies. They're the ones who will have substantial numbers of their neighbors lose their health care benefits. They're the ones whose wages will continue to be suppressed as Trump builds his version of corporate America, and they're the ones whose children will receive substandard educations as this idiot Betsy DeVos implements her goal of privatizing education, and funneling public school monies to private and charter schools.
Yep; time will tell indeed. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2017, 11:33:18 AM
Yep; time will tell indeed. :wink:
Glad you FINALLY get it... :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2017, 11:33:18 AM
Time has already told that he was lying about draining the swamp Hank. His cabinet is full of Wall Street executives, Goldman Sachs officials, etc. That's hardly draining the swamp by any stretch of the imagination.
Notice how they keep avoiding things like this?
Yep! He sure did. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 07, 2017, 04:27:10 PM
Listen, you KNEW for damn sure, that Trump was NOT going to win...
You keep harping on this but the polls that predicted what percentage of the votes each of the candidates would get were essentially spot on. Only the distribution of those votes changed the outcome of the election.
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2017, 11:50:43 AM
Yep! He sure did. ;D
Much is the same way they're avoiding any discussion over the cost to the taxpayers to guard Trump Tower or the $3 million that was just spent and a vacation that Trump said during the campaign he wouldn't be taking any of.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2017, 11:50:07 AM
Notice how they keep avoiding things like this?
His cabinet is NOT full of wall street exec....3 maybe four.
He has 3 Generals...
2 former Governors...
5 former US Reps and 1 former senator..
3 Doctors...
a few CEO's...
It is going to take some time to drain the swamp........you snowflakes are going to melt REAL fast unless you calm down a tad.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2017, 12:18:04 PM
...you snowflakes are going to melt REAL fast unless you calm down a tad.
Enough snowflakes can snarl traffic, close a city or cause an avalanche...you may want to remember that.
Still wish one of you would have the balls to call me a snowflake to my face...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 08, 2017, 12:18:04 PM
It is going to take some time to drain the swamp...
He's not draining shit and you know it. Admit it...you got played.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 08, 2017, 12:23:33 PM
Enough snowflakes can snarl traffic, close a city or cause an avalanche...you may want to remember that.
Still wish one of you would have the balls to call me a snowflake to my face...
That is nothing but throwing a tantrum and hurting people and is turning more people off than it helping a cause.
Here is a comprehensive list of reasons why Donald Trump is the most fit president we've ever seen.
http://whytrumpisgreat.com
In more startling incompetence, Sean Spicer has registered a bunch of domain names and didn't privatize any of the info. Reverse whois information using his now very public email address 'seanspicer@yahoo.com' shows he has the following domain names registered:
Reverse Whois results for seanspicer@yahoo.com
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There are 16 domains that matched this search query.
These are listed below:
Domain Name Creation Date Registrar
campaign1source.com 2012-06-26 GODADDY.COM, LLC
campaignonesource.com 2012-06-26 GODADDY.COM, LLC
elephanttrunk.org 2013-10-08 GODADDY.COM, LLC
harryspicer.com 2012-03-14 GODADDY.COM, LLC
pr1source.com 2012-06-26 GODADDY.COM, LLC
pronesource.com 2010-11-24 GODADDY.COM, LLC
ratethereporter.com 2015-02-13 GODADDY.COM, LLC
rebeccasean.com 2010-03-25 GODADDY.COM, LLC
rigbyspicer.com 2012-03-14 GODADDY.COM, LLC
rigwil.com 2012-09-24 GODADDY.COM, LLC
rigwill.com 2012-09-24 GODADDY.COM, LLC
seanspicer.com 2009-05-02 GODADDY.COM, LLC
seanspicer.net 2006-12-07 GODADDY.COM, LLC
stateoftherace.org 2012-07-22 GODADDY.COM, LLC
theelephanttrunk.org 2013-10-08 GODADDY.COM, LLC
willspicer.com 2012-10-12 GO CANADA DOMAINS, LLC
:spooked:
What's even worse is that a Whois lookup on any of those domains reveals phone number information as well as his home address. :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
Here is a comprehensive list of reasons why Donald Trump is the most fit president we've ever seen.
http://whytrumpisgreat.com
:lol: Ain't bin havin' much fun lately, so thanks Locutus for a good laugh. And with that, good night y'all, and pleasant dreams.
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
Here is a comprehensive list of reasons why Donald Trump is the most fit president we've ever seen.
http://whytrumpisgreat.com
Bahaha
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2017, 05:24:26 PM
In more startling incompetence, Sean Spicer has registered a bunch of domain names and didn't privatize any of the info. Reverse whois information using his now very public email address 'seanspicer@yahoo.com' shows he has the following domain names registered:
Reverse Whois results for seanspicer@yahoo.com
==============
There are 16 domains that matched this search query.
These are listed below:
Domain Name Creation Date Registrar
campaign1source.com 2012-06-26 GODADDY.COM, LLC
campaignonesource.com 2012-06-26 GODADDY.COM, LLC
elephanttrunk.org 2013-10-08 GODADDY.COM, LLC
harryspicer.com 2012-03-14 GODADDY.COM, LLC
pr1source.com 2012-06-26 GODADDY.COM, LLC
pronesource.com 2010-11-24 GODADDY.COM, LLC
ratethereporter.com 2015-02-13 GODADDY.COM, LLC
rebeccasean.com 2010-03-25 GODADDY.COM, LLC
rigbyspicer.com 2012-03-14 GODADDY.COM, LLC
rigwil.com 2012-09-24 GODADDY.COM, LLC
rigwill.com 2012-09-24 GODADDY.COM, LLC
seanspicer.com 2009-05-02 GODADDY.COM, LLC
seanspicer.net 2006-12-07 GODADDY.COM, LLC
stateoftherace.org 2012-07-22 GODADDY.COM, LLC
theelephanttrunk.org 2013-10-08 GODADDY.COM, LLC
willspicer.com 2012-10-12 GO CANADA DOMAINS, LLC
:spooked:
There's a weak link in the armor that could be utilized to destroy this nation! :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 09, 2017, 12:11:36 PM
There's a weak link in the armor that could be utilized to destroy this nation! :spooked:
That's pretty basic kind of security. He's high profile now and his home address is readily available by looking up the registration information for any of those domain names.
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:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
What's the over/under on Spicer's tenure after that skit last Saturday night? ;D Rumor has it that the Donald was furious about it.
Given that Spicer wasn't Trump's first choice anyway, I don't think it'll take too much for him to go poof!
Quote from: Locutus on February 09, 2017, 01:26:24 PM
What's the over/under on Spicer's tenure after that skit last Saturday night? ;D Rumor has it that the Donald was furious about it.
Given that Spicer wasn't Trump's first choice anyway, I don't think it'll take too much for him to go poof!
Yep. "You're Fired" is almost a certainty. :yes:
http://whytrumpisgreat.com/ (http://whytrumpisgreat.com/)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 09, 2017, 01:37:02 PM
http://whytrumpisgreat.com/ (http://whytrumpisgreat.com/)
:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
These daily press briefings with Spicer are an ongoing circus. ;D
With 3 weeks on the job, Trump will be taking another vacation travelling for the second weekend in a row to his Mar-A-Lago estate, again at a cost of $3 million to U.S. tax payers. Again, where are they Republican hypocrites who were constantly yammering about Obama taking time off?
From How to reason with a Trump voter: (http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/opinions/reasoning-with-trump-voters-mallicote/index.html)
You voted for Trump because Hillary Clinton was going to be in Wall Street's pocket. Trump wants to repeal Dodd-Frank and eliminate the Fiduciary Rule, letting Wall Street return to its pre-2008 ways.
You voted for Trump because you thought the Clinton Foundation was "pay for play." Trump has refused to wall off his businesses from his administration, and personally profits from payments from foreign governments.
You voted for Trump because of Clinton's role in Benghazi. Trump ordered the Yemen raid without adequate intel, and tweeted about "FAKE NEWS" while Americans died as a result of his carelessness.
You voted for Trump because Clinton didn't care about "the little guy." Trump's cabinet is full of billionaires, and he's taking away your health insurance so he can give them a multi-million-dollar tax break.
You voted for Trump because he was going to build a wall and Mexico was going to pay for it. American consumers will pay for the wall via import tariffs.
You voted for Trump because Clinton was going to get us into a war. Trump has provoked our enemies, alienated our allies and given ISIS a decade's worth of recruiting material.
You voted for Trump because Clinton didn't have the "stamina" to do the job. Trump hung up on the Australian Prime Minister during a 5 p.m. phone call because "it was at the end of a long day and he was tired and fatigue was setting in."
You voted for Trump because foreign leaders wouldn't respect Clinton. Foreign leaders, both friendly and hostile, are openly mocking Trump.
You voted for Trump because Clinton lies and "he tells it like it is." Trump and his administration lie with a regularity and brazenness that can only be described as shocking.
Let's be honest about what really happened. The reality is that you voted for Trump because you got conned. Trump is a grifter and the American people were the mark. Hey, it happens, and there's no shame in being taken in by a pro. But now that you know the score, quit insisting the conman is on your side.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 09, 2017, 01:37:02 PM
http://whytrumpisgreat.com/ (http://whytrumpisgreat.com/)
I beat you to that one. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on February 08, 2017, 02:32:16 PM
Here is a comprehensive list of reasons why Donald Trump is the most fit president we've ever seen.
http://whytrumpisgreat.com
Quote from: Locutus on February 09, 2017, 03:43:02 PM
I beat you to that one. ;D
How'd I miss that? :biggrin:
Now the Raging Cheeto is using the office of POTUS to ridicule a high end department store for dropping his daughter's clothing line. . .
Abuse of Power anyone?
US 9th Court of Appeals has confirmed the lower courts stay of the Raging Cheeto's Travel Ban. Unanimously finding it in violation of Constitutional rights of those who legally obtained travel visa's to this country.
Several states have filed their own suits against said executive travel ban, with claims varying from that the appeals court cited to religious discrimination.
2 weeks in and he's trampling the constitution as well as the laws of his office. . . Not to mention pissing off everyone on the planet. . .
Quote from: Locutus on February 09, 2017, 01:26:24 PM
What's the over/under on Spicer's tenure after that skit last Saturday night? ;D Rumor has it that the Donald was furious about it.
Given that Spicer wasn't Trump's first choice anyway, I don't think it'll take too much for him to go poof!
Rosie O'Donnell wants to play Steve Bannon. Trump will really love that!
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 09, 2017, 06:44:58 PM
Rosie O'Donnell wants to play Steve Bannon. Trump will really love that!
That would be awesome! ;D
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 09, 2017, 06:44:58 PM
Rosie O'Donnell wants to play Steve Bannon. Trump will really love that!
And you know SNL is salivating to get that done too! :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 09, 2017, 05:21:59 PM
Now the Raging Cheeto is using the office of POTUS to ridicule a high end department store for dropping his daughter's clothing line. . .
It seems nothing is illegal if you're the president and can pardon anyone for any reason. That notwithstanding, Nordtrom's stocks shot up the past 2 days adding about $450 million to the company's value. :biggrin:
:rotfl:
You tell 'em Trumpeteers!
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:biggrin:
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 09, 2017, 06:44:58 PM
Rosie O'Donnell wants to play Steve Bannon. Trump will really love that!
I knew she lied when she said she would move to Canada if Mrs. Clinton lost the election. I was looking forward to that.
Quote from: Anne on February 10, 2017, 12:38:27 PM
I knew she lied when she said she would move to Canada if Mrs. Clinton lost the election. I was looking forward to that.
Me too. :)
Quote from: Anne on February 10, 2017, 12:38:27 PM
I knew she lied when she said she would move to Canada if Mrs. Clinton lost the election. I was looking forward to that.
Quote from: me on February 10, 2017, 02:50:38 PM
Me too. :)
Why? It's not like either of you lives in her neighborhood.
For what it's worth, I saw a lot of conservatives saying the same thing if Obama was re-elected in 2012. The obvious difference is that Rosie could actually buy another house there and go live in it if she wanted whereas the Obama haters would find moving their trailers that far prohibitively expensive.
US investigators have started to corroborate some aspects of the Russian dossier. :spooked: :spooked:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 09, 2017, 06:44:58 PM
Rosie O'Donnell wants to play Steve Bannon. Trump will really love that!
I don't watch many talk shows (none now that I think about it -- except for following the current Trump as POTUS craziness, mostly on MSNBC). So why does Trump hate Rosie? And the same for some on here. The only thing I know about her is that she was pretty good in Sleepless in Seattle.
Quote from: Locutus on February 10, 2017, 05:43:13 PM
US investigators have started to corroborate some aspects of the Russian dossier. :spooked: :spooked:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
Sean Spicer is such an ass.
"Reached for comment this afternoon, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said, "We continue to be disgusted by CNN's fake news reporting."" I guess he considers truth feed real news. :rolleyes:
Quote from: libby on February 10, 2017, 05:56:59 PM
I don't watch many talk shows (none now that I think about it -- except for following the current Trump as POTUS craziness, mostly on MSNBC). So why does Trump hate Rosie? And the same for some on here. The only thing I know about her is that she was pretty good in Sleepless in Seattle.
Here you go, Libby.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/politics/donald-trump-rosie-odonnell-feud/
There's a bunch of other articles, too, on other sites.
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 10, 2017, 06:03:35 PM
Here you go, Libby.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/07/politics/donald-trump-rosie-odonnell-feud/
There's a bunch of other articles, too, on other sites.
Yeah, they've hated each other for awhile.
Oh, ok. And thanks.
Quote from: Locutus on February 10, 2017, 05:43:13 PM
US investigators have started to corroborate some aspects of the Russian dossier. :spooked: :spooked:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
Holy hell. . . shit is starting to get real. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on February 10, 2017, 08:40:26 PM
Holy hell. . . shit is starting to get real. . .
Yes! It was hard to tear myself away from the latest breaking news long enough to go out and look up at the moon!
Seems to me like Obama bad mouthed Fox every chance he got so what's the difference? Is it really worth getting all bent out of shape over?
Quote from: me on February 10, 2017, 11:48:33 PM
Seems to me like Obama bad mouthed Fox every chance he got so what's the difference? Is it really worth getting all bent out of shape over?
Guess you skimmed over the below then- - -v
Quote from: Locutus on February 10, 2017, 05:43:13 PM
US investigators have started to corroborate some aspects of the Russian dossier. :spooked: :spooked:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/russia-dossier-update/index.html
Quote from: Palehorse on February 11, 2017, 12:26:01 AM
Guess you skimmed over the below then- - -v
No, I didn't and probably won't.
Quote from: me on February 11, 2017, 12:48:03 AM
No, I didn't and probably won't.
Then ignorance is not an excuse. . .
Quote from: Exterminator on February 10, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
Why? It's not like either of you lives in her neighborhood.
For what it's worth, I saw a lot of conservatives saying the same thing if Obama was re-elected in 2012. The obvious difference is that Rosie could actually buy another house there and go live in it if she wanted whereas the Obama haters would find moving their trailers that far prohibitively expensive.
I have never liked her, she is rude, loud and obnoxious. When she had the talk show she never let anyone finish a sentence unless they were telling her how great she was and she verbally attached some of her guests.
Quote from: Anne on February 12, 2017, 06:03:34 PM
I have never liked her, she is rude, loud and obnoxious. When she had the talk show she never let anyone finish a sentence unless they were telling her how great she was and she verbally attached some of her guests.
Way worse than a fat, ignorant redneck sucking on a gallon sized Ricker's pop, right? Look into your mirror.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 09, 2017, 02:47:40 PM
With 3 weeks on the job, Trump will be taking another vacation travelling for the second weekend in a row to his Mar-A-Lago estate, again at a cost of $3 million to U.S. tax payers. Again, where are they Republican hypocrites who were constantly yammering about Obama taking time off?
He's coming back to South Florida again this weekend. Three in a row. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on February 13, 2017, 03:45:44 PM
He's coming back to South Florida again this weekend. Three in a row. :rolleyes:
Aren't you lucky! :puke:
In the meantime the Raging Cheeto's National Security Advisor seems to have been caught red-handed playing both sides of the fence and lying to the VP about a conversation surrounding sanctions on Russia. . .
3 weeks in and they are imploding. . .
Quote from: Exterminator on February 12, 2017, 07:56:16 PM
Way worse than a fat, ignorant redneck sucking on a gallon sized Ricker's pop, right? Look into your mirror.
You really need to learn how to post without acting like a ten year old.
My turn on General Flynn!
LOCK HIM UP, LOCK HIM UP, LOCK HIM UP, LOCK HIM UP, LOCK HIM UP, LOCK HIM UP, HE'S A TRAITOR! Maybe even a Russian. :mad: :rant:
Quote from: Anne on February 14, 2017, 12:31:41 AM
You really need to learn how to post without acting like a ten year old.
I suppose that still puts me several grades ahead of your educational level.
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.
Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.
Will get back to you. I was stunned but not surprised because no one with his background should have gotten himself in such a mess.
Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.
Posts like this one prove that if it doesn't fit their narrative, they'll ignore it as though it never happened:
Quote from: me on February 11, 2017, 12:48:03 AM
No, I didn't and probably won't.
Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.
I'm guessing this is far from over. The Justice Department warned the White House a month ago that Flynn could potentially be blackmailed by the Russians so they knew about this as well.
Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.
Out of respect for you, Locutus, I am going to reply with a response that I recently read and found very, very interesting....
The Obama appointees still inhabiting the bowels of the State and Justice Departments orchestrated the coup that brought down General Michael Flynn who quit as National Security Advisor only four weeks into Trump's term.
Waiting until their confirmations as secretary of state and defense, neither Tillerson nor Sessions have had the time to replace the Obama appointees. But, in the interregnum, the Obama operatives used the time to slit Flynn's throat, Washington style.
Flynn, anxious to head off Russian retaliation against U.S. sanctions, spoke with Moscow's Ambassador Sergey I. Kislyak to assuage his concerns over the sanctions imposed in the wake of Russian intervention in Ukraine and Crimea. Because he did so before Trump took office -- but after his own appointment -- he ran afoul of established protocol.
The alert Obama-era wiretappers pounced, taping the conversation and leaking it to the media. Former Obama officials were quoted in the New York Times as saying that Flynn reassured the ambassador that Mr. Trump would adopt a more accommodating tone on Russia once in office. They said that Flynn urged Russia not to retaliate against any sanctions because an overreaction would make any future cooperation more complicated." One Obama official said that "he appeared to leave the impression that it would be possible" to ease the U.S. sanctions under the new president.
Then the former Obama folks at the Justice Department chimed in, gratuitously warning the incoming president that there was a blackmail risk that Moscow might hold the fact of the conversation over Flynn's head as he served in office.
Finally, the former Obama folks at the Defense Department scrutinized a 2015 trip to Moscow by Flynn during which he received a payment to attend an anniversary celebration of a Kremlin operated TV station. The payment (it might have been a nominal gift of some sort) had to be reported because Flynn is a former general.
Essentially, the Obama team at State, Justice, and Defense acted as opposition researchers for Obama and the Democrats to frame the incoming National Security Advisor and leak his sins to the media.
Caught in the trap sprung by the Democratic operatives, Flynn, unfortunately doubled down and lied to VP Mike Pence, concealing the full extent of his conversation with the Russians. But never fear, the Obama minions helpfully provided the full text of the Flynn-Kislyak conversation that showed the former general had gone further in reassuring the Russians.
Once Flynn lied to the Vice President and Pence had gone out in public to defend him, a resignation was inevitable.
But the prospect of the political appointees in one administration using their powers and surveillance capabilities to bring about the resignation of a highly placed official in the incoming administration is, itself, a more alarming event than any perpetrated by Michael Flynn.
Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.
My response is that it's very scary because there are so many possibilities about what has been, still is going on, beginning (as far as we know) with the discovery that the Russians were involved in the POTUS election, and that Flynn, a former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, has been involved with the Russians.
Trump emptied the swamp and how he's starting to fill it again, starting with Flynn. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on February 14, 2017, 05:13:08 PM
Trump emptied the swamp and how he's starting to fill it again, starting with Flynn. :haha: :haha:
Trump doesn't seem to have a clue that you don't get rid of all the federal workers, starting with the State Department, who run the country, UNTIL you find people with like skills and experience to replace them.
Quote from: libby on February 14, 2017, 05:10:38 PM
My response is that it's very scary because there are so many possibilities about what has been, still is going on, beginning (as far as we know) with the discovery that the Russians were involved in the POTUS election, and that Flynn, a former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, has been involved with the Russians.
Did you read Hank's response above? What do you think about that?
Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 05:25:02 PM
Did you read Hank's response above? What do you think about that?
:rolleyes: Only one comment: what Flynn has been involved in is not a "protocol" lapse.
Quote from: libby on February 14, 2017, 06:11:46 PM
:rolleyes: Only one comment: what Flynn has been involved in is not a "protocol" lapse.
Strikes me as treasonous. . .
There is a Russian warship in international waters off the coast of Delaware. A known spy ship equipped to intercept communications.
Russia has apparently deployed a land based cruise missile in violation of treaty. . .
Just last week 2 Russian aircraft flew within 1000 feet of a USN Cruiser on the Black Sea. . .
Here. We. Go.
The libs need to back off and let Trump get his people in place so he can take care things. This is getting ridiculous and they are only making asses of themselves by what they're doing.
Quote from: me on February 14, 2017, 10:22:20 PM
The libs need to back off and let Trump get his people in place so he can take care things. This is getting ridiculous and they are only making asses of themselves by what they're doing.
Come on. Flynn screwed the pooch and was asked to resign by the Raging Cheeto himself. Moreover, he is the third in as many weeks to have been discovered to have close Russian ties. . .
The Raging Cheeto had at least 12 months to get his people in place and do his homework. He chose not to, so now we have this.
You can try to deflect all you want by blaming it (poorly) on "the libs", but the reality is they're stepping on their own junk and imploding. . . The Raging Cheeto just wants to say, "you're fired" again and again. It's what he knows. . . :rotfl:
https://www.youtube.com/v/75SEy1qu71I
How long before the FBI indicts Flynn for lying? ;D
I suspect it's coming.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 14, 2017, 02:57:21 PM
But the prospect of the political appointees in one administration using their powers and surveillance capabilities to bring about the resignation of a highly placed official in the incoming administration is, itself, a more alarming event than any perpetrated by Michael Flynn.
Oh, yeah, that's way worse than fucking treason. :rolleyes:
WELL GUYS, HOW MUCH TIME HAS TRUMP LEFT BEFORE HE IS IMPEACHED?????? :hanged: :behead: :devil4: :kick: :grin2:
Hardee's CEO has been declined by congress in his nomination as Labor Secretary. . . Seems he hired an illegal alien as his housekeeper for years. . .
His picks for the EPA and Budget Director show early indications of the very same fate. . .
Scott Pruitt is a horrible choice for the EPA. I hope he goes down.
Fucking Trump lies every time he opens his mouth.
He just stated in a news conference that his electoral college win (304 electors) was the biggest since Ronald Reagan. :rolleyes:
Barack Obama won with 365 electors in 2008, and 332 electors in 2012. Bill Clinton won with 370 electors in 1992, and with 379 in 1996. George H. W. Bush won with 426 electors in 1988. So Trump's statement is demonstrably false multiple times over, but that's just "fake news."
Does he lie purposefully? Does he not really want to be bothered by facts? Is he just flat out insane?
More importantly, does anyone even care? :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
Fucking Trump lies every time he opens his mouth.
He just stated in a news conference that his electoral college win (304 electors) was the biggest since Ronald Reagan. :rolleyes:
Barack Obama won with 365 electors in 2008, and 332 electors in 2012. Bill Clinton won with 370 electors in 1992, and with 379 in 1996. George H. W. Bush won with 426 electors in 1988. So Trump's statement is demonstrably false multiple times over.
Does he lie purposefully? Does he not really want to be bothered by facts? Is he just flat out insane?
More importantly, does anyone even care? :mad:
He's still spewing and now grilling the CNN reporter during Q and A. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 16, 2017, 01:45:20 PM
He's still spewing and now grilling the CNN reporter during Q and A. . . :rolleyes:
He's got a very short temper. It isn't taking much for them to throw him off his game.
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
Fucking Trump lies every time he opens his mouth.
He just stated in a news conference that his electoral college win (304 electors) was the biggest since Ronald Reagan. :rolleyes:
Barack Obama won with 365 electors in 2008, and 332 electors in 2012. Bill Clinton won with 370 electors in 1992, and with 379 in 1996. George H. W. Bush won with 426 electors in 1988. So Trump's statement is demonstrably false multiple times over, but that's just "fake news."
Does he lie purposefully? Does he not really want to be bothered by facts? Is he just flat out insane?
More importantly, does anyone even care? :mad:
His electoral college win was like third from the worst in the past 80 years or so. This is a shit show of epic proportions. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 16, 2017, 02:35:55 PM
His electoral college win was like third from the worst in the past 80 years or so. This is a shit show of epic proportions. :rolleyes:
At what point will his supporters start to care? It's dangerous to the country but they don't see it.
The best part of that press conference was, "The leaks are real; the news is fake." :rolleyes:
He's fucking insane. The leaks are real, but the reporting about the leaks is fake. He can't even see the incongruity in a single sentence.
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
At what point will his supporters start to care? It's dangerous to the country but they don't see it.
Won't see it.
Susan McDougal and Martha Stewart were sent to prison for lying to the FBI. They weren't guilty of the crime they were accused of, but they lied to the FBI. Well old General Mike Flynn has lied to the FBI and by all rights this lying asshole goes to jail. How sweet it is. :haha: :haha: :jail:
:liar2: LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! :liar2:
HOW ABOUT THIS GUY BABY ROBIN?
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
The best part of that press conference was, "The leaks are real; the news is fake." :rolleyes:
He's fucking insane. The leaks are real, but the reporting about the leaks is fake. He can't even see the incongruity in a single sentence.
Indeed. I had the news on as background while I was doing some personal work. I kept hearing crap like that coming out of his mouth, so I stopped to watch.
I have never in my lifetime, seen a POTUS with such a combative, arrogant, and tyrannical disposition toward EVERYONE. What a socially inept individual! He's pissing everyone off.
He made a comment about the democrats being against him, but the reality is his own party controls the entire government! WTF?! :roll eyes:
I finally had to change the channel because I was sick of hearing his lies and false bravado. I think his defense of the Russian spy ship off the east coast was the last straw for me personally. . . :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 16, 2017, 06:54:26 PM
Indeed. I had the news on as background while I was doing some personal work. I kept hearing crap like that coming out of his mouth, so I stopped to watch.
I have never in my lifetime, seen a POTUS with such a combative, arrogant, and tyrannical disposition toward EVERYONE. What a socially inept individual! He's pissing everyone off.
He made a comment about the democrats being against him, but the reality is his own party controls the entire government! WTF?! :roll eyes:
I finally had to change the channel because I was sick of hearing his lies and false bravado. I think his defense of the Russian spy ship off the east coast was the last straw for me personally. . . :mad:
You are comical. We just went through 8 yrs of arroance, elitisim, and divisiveness and you say those things about Trump? And no, I am not being a racist so don't even go there.
Quote from: me on February 16, 2017, 08:16:07 PM
You are comical. We just went through 8 yrs of arroance, elitisim, and divisiveness and you say those things about Trump? And no, I am not being a racist so don't even go there.
Don't stretch so far. You'll hurt something and have to go to the hospital. Hopefully your Obamacare is still in effect when you do. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on February 16, 2017, 08:18:51 PM
Don't stretch so far. You'll hurt something and have to go to the hospital. Hopefully your Obamacare is still in effect when you do. . .
I really think you should pay closer attention to what's going on with Obamacare.
Bah-ha ha! Raging Cheeto's pick to replace Flynn says, "Thanks, but no thanks!" :big grin:
Quote from: Locutus on February 16, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
Fucking Trump lies every time he opens his mouth.
He just stated in a news conference that his electoral college win (304 electors) was the biggest since Ronald Reagan. :rolleyes:
Barack Obama won with 365 electors in 2008, and 332 electors in 2012. Bill Clinton won with 370 electors in 1992, and with 379 in 1996. George H. W. Bush won with 426 electors in 1988. So Trump's statement is demonstrably false multiple times over, but that's just "fake news."
Does he lie purposefully? Does he not really want to be bothered by facts? Is he just flat out insane?
More importantly, does anyone even care? :mad:
As God as my witness.........I am trying SO, SO hard to NOT give a flip what you guys think...........BUT!!!.....WE are so divided right now, it is of epic proportions.
I have to give my 2 cents.
When Trump JUST said he had the biggest electoral win since Reagan..............he is speaking the truth! His win may not be the biggest in numbers, but by FAR, the biggest in "upset". THAT is what he meant. AND, EVERYONE who voted for Trump UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY what he meant.
EVERY network and nearly EVERY Democrat voter was 100% blindsided with this Trump VICTORY! Even YOU Locutus, was willing to bet a STEAK DINNER that very day of the election! YOU guys JUST KNEW Hillary was going to win.....
BUT!
The people spoke, and decided they wanted Trump...........making THIS one of the BIGGEST WINS in several years!!! THAT is EXACTLY what he meant. It was NO LIE WHAT-SO-EVER.
AS far as Trump "appearing" to be "Combative".........those of us who voted for him see the media and the democrats being "combative". They have attacked him like no other POTUS in the history of this nation!
This man is merely doing EXACTLY what he promised...........and is attacking his agenda's with a vengeance! No other POTUS has worked as hard as this guy has! Not even close!!!!
I stand firm and strong behind this guy!!! And, though I think the polls are crap, (usually against Trump) but one of the recent polls has him at a 55% approval rating.
I personally LOVED his press conference...........and even loved MSNBC and the liberal response even more!!! They are shitting themselves.
I want to say one more thing...........Trump is NOT putting our country in any danger..............the whinny assed democrats who cannot accept this loss and the liberal media are the one's who is putting us in dangerous times.
I will NOT respond. This is just the way I feel. I'm not going to argue, but rather just enjoy this ride.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2017, 11:50:25 AM
....he is speaking the truth! His win may not be the biggest in numbers, but by FAR, the biggest in "upset".
LMFAO! What in the ever loving fuck is that supposed to mean? I know, I know...you people love your, "alternate facts."
Hank, even you are smart enough to know that he repeatedly, over and over and over again, says things that are demonstrably false, and he does it to an extent like I've never seen any other presidents do it.
I, as well as Ex, have conceded before that all politicians lie to a certain extent. That's just the nature of the beast. But Trump's lies are flagrant, willful, and fly in the face of established facts almost every time he opens his mouth.
Yet you, by your own admission, don't care, and don't see how dangerous that is.
You, and people like you, frighten me very much. Very, very much.
Quote from: Locutus on February 17, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
You, and people like you, frighten me very much. Very, very much.
Locutus, all I can say is, be afraid, be very, very afraid.........(small humor).............seriously, you better get used to it, because despite his shortcomings, he is on the job training at dealing with politicians........he IS our POTUS, and we will soon see if he can continue to spur our economy........because THAT is why I am putting a reasonable amount of trust in him. If he fails, the dems will start gaining control........but, if he is successful, the dems may very well be finished.......and THAT is why he is being attacked at epic proportions.........HE MUST FAIL, in the eyes of a faithful democrat.
Which is why "I" think YOU guys are the ones who are dangerous.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 17, 2017, 01:32:41 PM
...and THAT is why he is being attacked at epic proportions....
No, he is being attacked because he's a lying, treasonous piece of trash.
Hank is an absolute personification of what Trump was talking about when he said, "..where I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters. Okay? It's like incredible." :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on February 17, 2017, 02:45:06 PM
Hank is an absolute personification of what Trump was talking about when he said, "..where I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters. Okay? It's like incredible." :rolleyes:
Indeed...that these parasites have the gall to call themselves Americans sickens me.
Even FOX News gets it but people like Henry and me...nope! And they say we are the danger to our democracy!
https://www.youtube.com/v/fysSDYkhHlU
Oh, the Trumpateers are after his ass now and calling for FOX to can him.
Quote from: Locutus on February 17, 2017, 03:02:40 PM
Oh, the Trumpateers are after his ass now and calling for FOX to can him.
For calling out the elephant in the room? What a shit show!
Quote from: Exterminator on February 17, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
For calling out the elephant in the room? What a shit show!
Yeah but it's
their elephant. ;D
Some of Trump's own supporters are starting to be negatively impacted by his lunacy, and more people are going to be bitten right in the ass over the next two years at least.
Quote from: Locutus on February 17, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
Some of Trump's own supporters are starting to be negatively impacted by his lunacy, and more people are going to be bitten right in the ass over the next two years at least.
I really don't think you know what you are talking about...relax...and pay attention to what is really going on. Quit putting all of your faith into the liberal media, and just watch.
Trump is doing things differently and that is pissing off the establishment....he is going to his voters directly. He is accomplishing exactly what he campaigned on. It is very refreshing to see someone actually do what he says he is going to do.
Quote from: Locutus on February 17, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
Some of Trump's own supporters are starting to be negatively impacted by his lunacy, and more people are going to be bitten right in the ass over the next two years at least.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 20, 2017, 01:40:12 PM
I really don't think you know what you are talking about...relax...and pay attention to what is really going on. Quit putting all of your faith into the liberal media, and just watch.
Trump is doing things differently and that is pissing off the establishment....he is going to his voters directly. He is accomplishing exactly what he campaigned on. It is very refreshing to see someone actually do what he says he is going to do.
You reckon? :rolleyes:
Lunacy is exactly the right word to describe him. How can you listen to him babble, on and on, and not be embarrassed by him, for him? He is in over his head and at some level knows it.
Did you watch Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace? If not, you should.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 20, 2017, 01:40:12 PM
I really don't think you know what you are talking about...relax...and pay attention to what is really going on. Quit putting all of your faith into the liberal media, and just watch.
Trump is doing things differently and that is pissing off the establishment....he is going to his voters directly. He is accomplishing exactly what he campaigned on. It is very refreshing to see someone actually do what he says he is going to do.
I don't know what I'm talking about? Really Hank? You should know better than to level that sort of an accusation in my direction. Unlike you, if I didn't know what I was talking about, I wouldn't have made the statement to begin with.
Some of Trumps biggest supporters are in Texas, correct? Many people in Texas are into cattle, correct?
Look up cattle futures and get back to me. :wink:
Quote from: libby on February 20, 2017, 05:08:59 PM
You reckon? :rolleyes:
Lunacy is exactly the right word to describe him. How can you listen to him babble, on and on, and not be embarrassed by him, for him? He is in over his head and at some level knows it.
Did you watch Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace? If not, you should.
You're wasting your time. He, just like the rest of the Trumpateers, doesn't know. Even if he did know, he wouldn't care.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 20, 2017, 01:40:12 PM
I really don't think you know what you are talking about...relax...and pay attention to what is really going on.
I have been paying attention and I thought it was really nice of the survivors of the Bowling Green massacre to step up and help the people of Sweden.
Once again, I simply can not help myself from pointing out the obvious. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on February 20, 2017, 07:49:15 PM
I don't know what I'm talking about? Really Hank? You should know better than to level that sort of an accusation in my direction. Unlike you, if I didn't know what I was talking about, I wouldn't have made the statement to begin with.
Just like your statement that Hillary was going to be the next POTUS?? Or the GOP will NEVER be able to crack the blue wall??? Yeah....ok.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 03, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Poor Ivanka...Nordstrom just pulled her clothing line and Neiman Marcus pulled her jewelry. :'(
Stupid Nordstrom........Poor Ivanka just went #1 in sales on Amazon!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 21, 2017, 12:42:51 PM
Just like your statement that Hillary was going to be the next POTUS?? Or the GOP will NEVER be able to crack the blue wall??? Yeah....ok.
Look up cattle futures.
I'll wait.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 21, 2017, 12:44:33 PM
Stupid Nordstrom........Poor Ivanka just went #1 in sales on Amazon!
LMAO! Perfume?
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2017, 12:45:38 PM
Look up cattle futures.
I'll wait.
Why would he care about cattle futures...you think he has investments? LMFAO!
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2017, 12:45:38 PM
Look up cattle futures.
I'll wait.
Okay.....
What I just read was this: (http://www.cattlenetwork.com/news/markets/cattle-markets-what-about-trade) US beef exports are expected to grow 5.6 percent in 2017 and the US is expected to retain the position of 4th largest exporter in the world, behind Brazil, India and Australia.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 21, 2017, 12:56:15 PM
Okay.....What I just read was this: (http://www.cattlenetwork.com/news/markets/cattle-markets-what-about-trade) US beef exports are expected to grow 5.6 percent in 2017 and the US is expected to retain the position of 4th largest exporter in the world, behind Brazil, India and Australia.
Read this. (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/16/first-casualties-trumps-trade-wars-texas-cattle-ranchers)
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2017, 01:10:47 PM
Read this. (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/16/first-casualties-trumps-trade-wars-texas-cattle-ranchers)
Fake news! Can't you see how this helps the middle class? :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2017, 01:10:47 PM
Read this. (http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/16/first-casualties-trumps-trade-wars-texas-cattle-ranchers)
Okay, I read your article, then did some research on Richard Parker the writer........this is just one of several "HIT" pieces that he has written on Trump.
The fact remains, US Beef exports are EXPECTED to GROW! We are still expected to be the 4th largest exporter of beef in 2017.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2017, 02:40:27 PM
All I know is, there was rioting done AT BERKELEY, because of Milo....
Tell me WHO, "established" that the protesters were NOT the one's rioting? that is so much bullshit.........
We learn something new about Henry every day. He is apparently a fan and defender of pedophiles (not really that surprising, actually). Are you a card carrying member of NAMBLA, Hank, or do you just read their publications for the stories? :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 21, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
Okay, I read your article, then did some research on Richard Parker the writer........this is just one of several "HIT" pieces that he has written on Trump.
The fact remains, US Beef exports are EXPECTED to GROW! We are still expected to be the 4th largest exporter of beef in 2017.
He is also a Dartmouth educated economist, and is also a graduate of the University of Oxford. He has held several fellowships, as well as being a senior fellow at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. He also teaches there on modern macroeconomic policy.
Who should I believe? Him, or you?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 21, 2017, 01:54:51 PM
Fake news! Can't you see how this helps the middle class? :icon_twisted:
;D
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2017, 02:28:27 PM
He is also a Dartmouth educated economist, and is also a graduate of the University of Oxford. He has held several fellowships, as well as being a senior fellow at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. He also teaches there on modern macroeconomic policy.
Who should I believe? Him, or you?
Okay, let's watch the Cattle Futures and see what happens.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 21, 2017, 03:02:09 PM
Okay, let's watch the Cattle Futures and see what happens.
How will we know the cattle futures aren't fake? ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on February 21, 2017, 02:27:20 PM
We learn something new about Henry every day. He is apparently a fan and defender of pedophiles (not really that surprising, actually). Are you a card carrying member of NAMBLA, Hank, or do you just read their publications for the stories? :biggrin:
I wonder if he knows what you're talking about.
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2017, 03:19:11 PM
How will we know the cattle futures aren't fake? ;D
BAHAHAHAHA! Classic!
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2017, 03:22:41 PM
I wonder if he knows what you're talking about.
Fake news! Everyone knows how liberal Simon & Schuster and CPAC are! :biggrin:
LOL! You can't make this shit up.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 21, 2017, 03:38:46 PM
Fake news! Everyone knows how liberal Simon & Schuster and CPAC are! :biggrin:
LOL! You can't make this shit up.
I still bet he doesn't know what you're talking about. ;D
laugh away fella's.....you laughed all the way to the polls........and who had the last laugh :icon_twisted:
bwaaahaaaa! ;)
Still owe me a steak dinner too lo! ;)
Do you know what Ex is talking about with the pedophilia reference?
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2017, 04:34:54 PM
Do you know what Ex is talking about with the pedophilia reference?
I do! :devilish: Milo resigned from Breitbart today because of his comments. Henry, read this. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/milo-yiannopoulos-resigns-from-breitbart-news/2017/02/21/0217c128-f7cc-11e6-be05-1a3817ac21a5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_milo-3pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.7cb76c5a7d72)
:spooked: :spooked: I am stunned. I just finished watching an hour of The Last Word, an MSNBC program narrated by Lawrence O'Donnell that airs at 10 PM weekdays.
First of all, George Will, his first guest, talked about why he changed his registration as a republican when Donald Trump was elected president. If you don't know who George Will is, think back to Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. Will, well known in his own right, was a regular.
But that pales beside O'Donnell's next two guests: two psychiatrists. Things moved so fast and so :eek: that I didn't get their names. What I did manage to scribble down was that they had concluded, without meeting Trump, that he is a "paranoid sociopathic narcissist" with a "loose grip on reality." And citing their duty to warn, they decided they had to go public. Their interview ended shortly after that and it went to a commercial.
LOL!! They finally decided to squelch that grotestesque bitch Kellyanne Conway. She's been sidelined from television appearances for making statements that were contrary to the administration's official stance. ;D
Quote from: libby on February 21, 2017, 11:32:57 PM
:spooked: :spooked: I am stunned. I just finished watching an hour of The Last Word, an MSNBC program narrated by Lawrence O'Donnell that airs at 10 PM weekdays.
First of all, George Will, his first guest, talked about why he changed his registration as a republican when Donald Trump was elected president. If you don't know who George Will is, think back to Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. Will, well known in his own right, was a regular.
But that pales beside O'Donnell's next two guests: two psychiatrists. Things moved so fast and so :eek: that I didn't get their names. What I did manage to scribble down was that they had concluded, without meeting Trump, that he is a "paranoid sociopathic narcissist" with a "loose grip on reality." And citing their duty to warn, they decided they had to go public. Their interview ended shortly after that and it went to a commercial.
I keep telling myself to NOT come in here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But HOW is it F'ing possible, that Donald Trump who was a WELL respected Businessman for 50 years of his life........a well respected TV personality, who had a top hit show..................and NOW all of a sudden, now that he is POTUS, he is a paranoid sociopathic narcissist? REALLY...........for GODS SAKE!!!!
I have NEVER witnessed anything in my life as I have this last few months when Trump won.........how people on the left has had a complete meltdown!!
The more I read about such crap, makes me want him even MORE to be The Donald...and continue to do the thing he promised....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2017, 04:33:54 PM
"HOW is it F'ing possible, that Donald Trump who was a WELL respected Businessman for 50 years of his life........a well respected TV personality, who had a top hit show..................and NOW all of a sudden, now that he is POTUS, he is a paranoid sociopathic narcissist? REALLY...........for GODS SAKE!!!!
The simplest way to put it, Hank, is that rich people are considered eccentric, poor people crazy or dumb or weird.
And not only that, being an expert in one field of knowledge does not make one an expert about everything, or anything else.
Just what is it about Trump's education and experience do you think qualifies him to be POTUS?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2017, 04:33:54 PM
I keep telling myself to NOT come in here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But HOW is it F'ing possible, that Donald Trump who was a WELL respected Businessman for 50 years of his life........a well respected TV personality, who had a top hit show..................and NOW all of a sudden, now that he is POTUS, he is a paranoid sociopathic narcissist? REALLY...........for GODS SAKE!!!!
I have NEVER witnessed anything in my life as I have this last few months when Trump won.........how people on the left has had a complete meltdown!!
The more I read about such crap, makes me want him even MORE to be The Donald...and continue to do the thing he promised....
Hey Baby Robin, what do you mean that Trump is well respected. :haha: This person is a Buffone and Rodeo Clown. You got to be kidding to say this liar is well respected. :doh: :haha:
The White House blocked CNN, the NY Times, and other news outlets from attending a press gaggle this afternoon. :mad:
This president is EXTREMELY dangerous.
Quote from: Locutus on February 24, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
The White House blocked CNN, the NY Times, and other news outlets from attending a press gaggle this afternoon. :mad:
This president is EXTREMELY dangerous.
Oh well, Obamma blocked Fox at various times so pay backs are hell. They all need to straighten up and quit with the slanted reporting. At least he isn't hiding behind closed doors in the middle of the night signing things.
Quote from: Locutus on February 22, 2017, 03:39:37 PM
LOL!! They finally decided to squelch that grotestesque bitch Kellyanne Conway. She's been sidelined from television appearances for making statements that were contrary to the administration's official stance. ;D
This is for you, Locutus: :biggrin:
From today's Washington Post:
Law professors file misconduct complaint against Kellyanne Conway
Kellyanne Conway's full speech at CPAC 2017 Play Video18:39
President Trump's senior adviser Kellyanne Conway spoke about feminism, what the president is like in private and optimism at the 2017 Conservative Political Action Conference, Feb. 23. (The Washington Post)
By Sari Horwitz February 23 at 3:13 PM
A group of law professors from around the country has filed a professional misconduct complaint against White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, a graduate of George Washington University Law School who was admitted to the D.C. Bar in 1995.
The letter, filed with the office that handles misconduct by members of the D.C. Bar, said Conway should be sanctioned for violating government ethics rules and "conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation," the letter says.
The 15 professors, who specialize in legal ethics, cite several incidents, including a television interview in which Conway made the "false statement that President Barack Obama had 'banned' Iraqi refugees from coming into the United States for six months following the 'Bowling Green Massacre,' " and the use of her position to endorse Ivanka Trump products.
"We do not file this complaint lightly," the professors said in their filing. "We believe that, at one time, Ms. Conway, understood her ethical responsibilities as a lawyer and abided by them. But she is currently acting in a way that brings shame upon the legal profession."
The professors teach at law schools such as Georgetown University Law Center, Yale Law School, Fordham University and Duke University.
Spicer: Kellyanne Conway 'has been counseled' Play Video0:27
Asked about remarks made by President Trump's official counselor, Kellyanne Conway, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said she had "been counseled" on the subject. Spicer declined to elaborate. (Reuters)
[Read the professors' letter of complaint against Conway]
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
The letter was sent to the D.C. Office of Disciplinary Counsel, the chief prosecutor for disciplinary matters that involve active or inactive attorneys who are members of the D.C. Bar. Conway is listed as a D.C. Bar member under her maiden name, Kellyanne E. Fitzpatrick, but is a suspended member for not paying her dues, according to the disciplinary filing.
D.C. Disciplinary Counsel Wallace "Gene" Shipp Jr. said that his office receives about 1,500 complaints a year but investigates only between 400 to 500 of them. The actions that can be taken range from dismissal of the complaint to the prosecution of charges and possible disbarment, he said.
[White House says Conway has been 'counseled' after touting Ivanka Trump's products]
Since she has been serving as counselor to President Trump, Conway has been caught up in several controversies. Last month, during an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," she said the White House had put forth "alternative facts" regarding the size of Trump's inauguration crowd.
" 'Alternative facts' are not facts at all; they are lies," the professors said in their filing.
Conway was also criticized for using her position during a Feb. 9 interview on Fox News to endorse Ivanka Trump's fashion products.
"Federal rules on conflicts of interest specifically prohibit using public office 'for the endorsement of any product, service or enterprise, or for the private gain of friends, relatives or persons with whom the employee is affiliated in a nongovernmental capacity,'" the complaint said.
Abbe Smith, a Georgetown Law Center professor and director of the Criminal Defense and Prisoner Advocacy Clinic, said she has never filed such a complaint before and generally does not believe that lawyers should routinely face discipline under the broad rule they cited, which includes conduct outside the practice of law.
"But Ms. Conway's conduct was so outside the norm for a member of the legal profession," Smith said. "What prompted our complaint was a combination of the specific conduct that Ms. Conway engaged in plus the fact that she holds such a high public office."
Sari Horwitz covers the Justice Department and criminal justice issues nationwide for The Washington Post, where she has been a reporter for 30 years. Follow @sarihorwitz
Quote from: me on February 24, 2017, 03:03:27 PM
Oh well, Obamma blocked Fox at various times so pay backs are hell.
And when was this, exactly?
Quote from: me on February 24, 2017, 03:03:27 PM
Oh well, Obamma blocked Fox at various times so pay backs are hell. They all need to straighten up and quit with the slanted reporting. At least he isn't hiding behind closed doors in the middle of the night signing things.
I'll just go ahead and call it:
BULLSHIT
Quote from: Palehorse on February 24, 2017, 04:09:59 PM
I'll just go ahead and call it: BULLSHIT
That's exactly what it is. :yes:
Politico, Buzzfeed, and the LA Times were also blocked along with the aforementioned two.
Quote from: libby on February 24, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
This is for you, Locutus: :biggrin:
Thank you Libby.
FWIW...........In 2009, the Obama administration attempted to exclude Fox News from a round of TV interview....but failed.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2017, 04:53:47 PM
FWIW...........In 2009, the Obama administration attempted to exclude Fox News from a round of TV interview....but failed.
And the Tea Billies and Conservative zealots squalled like scalded cats that it was unfair, and that the administration was hiding things. Where is that self-righteous indignation now? :rolleyes:
Here's the Raging Cheeto's immigration policy in action:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/02/24/muhammad-ali-jr-detained-immigration-officials-fla-airport/98379082/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/02/24/muhammad-ali-jr-detained-immigration-officials-fla-airport/98379082/)
Muhammad Ali Jr. was detained by immigration officials at a Florida airport for HOURS, just because he truthfully answered that he is of the Muslim Faith. He was born in the US and carries a US Passport too.
WTF??? When will you people open your eyes?
The Raging Cheeto's job approval rating stands at just 44 percent — a record low for a newly inaugurated commander-in-chief. And half of Americans say that his early challenges suggest unique and systemic problems with his administration. . .
There's a fuggin' surprise! :fortune:
:toilet: I can't hardly watch the news any more. I all most get sick at my stomach and so depressed :sick: watching how Trump and the Republicans are fucking up America. :sick: I think I'll go to the crapper and take a Republican and wipe my Trump. :spot: It's almost makes a person give up. :uncle:
Fuck the Republicans and the Democrats who voted for Trump and the Republicans :bsflag:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 24, 2017, 08:55:54 PM
And the Tea Billies and Conservative zealots squalled like scalded cats that it was unfair, and that the administration was hiding things. Where is that self-righteous indignation now? :rolleyes:
So, that makes it all okay? Where does it end? I stand more behind this POTUS, than I have EVER stood behind any POTUS...and I say this PROUDLY.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 27, 2017, 07:41:29 AM
So, that makes it all okay? Where does it end? I stand more behind this POTUS, than I have EVER stood behind any POTUS...and I say this PROUDLY.
Time will prove what a fool you are (although it hasn't been particularly kind to you thus far either).
Quote from: Exterminator on February 27, 2017, 11:33:11 AM
Time will prove what a fool you are (although it hasn't been particularly kind to you thus far either).
As stupid as he is, I wonder how he found out how to father children. :haha: If we knew the truth, his wife said, honey take the hardest thing you got and put it in my pink little love canal. He sat up and his wife ask what are you doing and he said, I'm going after my bowling ball, honey. :doh: :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 27, 2017, 07:41:29 AM
So, that makes it all okay? Where does it end? I stand more behind this POTUS, than I have EVER stood behind any POTUS...and I say this PROUDLY.
Ah, Hank. I almost feel sorry for you. :rolleyes: There's breaking news that is going to upset your hero, and yes, it involves the Russians. Seems there are Russian oligarchs who look for places overseas to stash their money, and Trump has dealt with one young billionaire. And not only that, his newly appointed Secretary of Commerce seems to be involved, and, if I heard correctly, so has his Secretary of State.
My source: Rachel Maddow, tonight at 10 PM EST, MSNBC.
Quote from: libby on February 27, 2017, 11:38:45 PM
Ah, Hank. I almost feel sorry for you. :rolleyes: There's breaking news that is going to upset your hero, and yes, it involves the Russians. Seems there are Russian oligarchs who look for places overseas to stash their money, and Trump has dealt with one young billionaire. And not only that, his newly appointed Secretary of Commerce seems to be involved, and, if I heard correctly, so has his Secretary of State.
My source: Rachel Maddow, tonight at 10 PM EST, MSNBC.
Rachael Madcow??????? MSNBC????? And you really believe it??????
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 27, 2017, 07:41:29 AM
I stand more behind this POTUS, than I have EVER stood behind any POTUS...and I say this PROUDLY.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTxuqJH67zkWhSblHzer-Yel-bpvA5WzTw0TZhGV8Thra7ZVH-b)
Classy bitch, isn't she? :rolleyes:
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/VAnMwevdapePTtwVnLGDxg--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz02NDA7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/5f1135b00bd75f918ac2b88e8ae286a3cff89b31.jpg)
Quote from: Locutus on February 28, 2017, 11:07:18 AM
Classy bitch, isn't she? :rolleyes:
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/VAnMwevdapePTtwVnLGDxg--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz02NDA7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/5f1135b00bd75f918ac2b88e8ae286a3cff89b31.jpg)
Yep, she looks like she been rode hard and put up wet. :ride: :shrug:
She really is ghastly looking. :spooked:
Quote from: The Troll on February 28, 2017, 12:03:29 PM
Yep, she looks like she been rode hard and put up wet.
She looks like she's been passed around like a joint on Dennis Hopper's estate. :biggrin:
Easy for you to say, you draft-dodging *****. (http://theweek.com/speedreads/682636/trump-laments-that-american-soldiers-no-longer-fight-win)
Quote from: Locutus on February 28, 2017, 11:07:18 AM
Classy bitch, isn't she? :rolleyes:
Why do you say that, based on this picture?
Quote from: Locutus on February 28, 2017, 11:07:18 AM
Classy bitch, isn't she? :rolleyes:
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/VAnMwevdapePTtwVnLGDxg--/YXBwaWQ9eW15O3E9NzU7dz02NDA7c209MTtpbD1wbGFuZQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/5f1135b00bd75f918ac2b88e8ae286a3cff89b31.jpg)
Looks like she is waiting for someone to grab her by the *****. . . :roll eyes:
Good lord! Feet up on the sofa within the most formal office in this entire nation. . . . Class. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ya, imagine someone putting their feet on that furniture.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on February 28, 2017, 12:23:54 AM
Rachael Madcow??????? MSNBC????? And you really believe it??????
Yes, MSNBC. You might want to tune in sometime. Start with
Morning Joe (6 to 9 AM weekdays). Joe is Joe Scarborough, former republican congressman (still a republican). His co-host is Mika Brzezinski, daughter of Zbigniew Brzezinski, foreign policy expert and former national security advisor to Jimmy Carter. He shows up on Morning Joe now and then, along with just about everybody, whether democrat, republican, current and/or former.
As for Rachel Maddow, I often cringe when she talks because of the timbre of her voice when she gets excited, :eek: but she is highly educated and respected: she received a bachelor's degree in public policy from Stanford University, and a doctorate in political science at Oxford University, which she attended on a Rhodes Scholarship.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 28, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
Why do you say that, based on this picture?
:stirthepot:
:biggrin:
Quote from: me on February 28, 2017, 05:08:59 PM
Ya, imagine someone putting their feet on that furniture.... :rolleyes:
This is your typical response when you have nothing else. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 28, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
Why do you say that, based on this picture?
I don't care who she is or her boss is. A female employee who is that comfortable, with other people around, with her BOSS, is ... :rolleyes: well, I agree with the men here.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 28, 2017, 03:45:45 PM
Looks like she is waiting for someone to grab her by the *****. . . :roll eyes:
:spooked:
If she keeps sittin' around like that with Trump in the room, it may just happen.
Quote from: libby on February 28, 2017, 06:13:31 PM
I don't care who she is or her boss is. A female employee who is that comfortable, with other people around, with her BOSS, is ... :rolleyes: well, I agree with the men here.
;D
:yes:
Quote from: Locutus on February 28, 2017, 12:14:15 PM
She really is ghastly looking. :spooked:
She has aged so much since last year, more than what a four year POTUS does. She just turned 50, but I would have put her at being in her late 50's.
Quote from: Locutus on February 28, 2017, 06:07:12 PM
This is your typical response when you have nothing else. :wink:
Oh, so it's ok for him to put his feet all over the furniture but no one else dare do it? :rolleyes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 28, 2017, 06:52:39 PM
She has aged so much since last year, more than what a four year POTUS does. She just turned 50, but I would have put her at being in her late 50's.
She's selling her soul to the devil. What else would you expect?
Hum, the POTUS is meeting with the black cacus and all you people can do is put down someone. Your priorities sure are in the wrong places it would seem.
Quote from: me on February 28, 2017, 06:54:57 PM
Oh, so it's ok for him to put his feet all over the furniture but no one else dare do it? :rolleyes:
:stirthepot: ;D
It is your typical response though. :yes:
Quote from: me on February 28, 2017, 06:58:04 PM
Hum, the POTUS is meeting with the black cacus and all you people can do is put down someone. Your priorities sure are in the wrong places it would seem.
I guess that black reporter "scheduled a meeting" for him. :rolleyes:
Locutus getting ready for the address to Congress ----> :beers: :beers:
Quote from: Locutus on February 28, 2017, 08:33:48 PM
Locutus getting ready for the address to Congress ----> :beers: :beers:
What are the buzz words? Terrible, beautiful, huge....
:food5: I'm ready. :wink:
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 28, 2017, 08:52:48 PM
What are the buzz words? Terrible, beautiful, huge....
:food5: I'm ready. :wink:
It's a mundane speech so far. 💤 ZZZzzzzz........
I turned it off after a while and went and took a shower!
I watched the replay of the "Curse of Oak Island" season ending special rather than watch the raging cheeto. Much more coherent and interesting.
Quote from: me on February 28, 2017, 06:54:57 PM
Oh, so it's ok for him to put his feet all over the furniture but no one else dare do it? :rolleyes:
We wouldn't expect the white trash to understand.
Quote from: Locutus on February 28, 2017, 09:24:53 PM
It's a mundane speech so far. 💤 ZZZzzzzz........
Geebuz cut our power and spared us. :biggrin:
Damn that Geebuz!! ;D
Quote from: Locutus on February 28, 2017, 09:24:53 PM
It's a mundane speech so far. 💤 ZZZzzzzz........
That isn't what MOST people thought...
Stock markets surge to fresh intraday records after Trump speech (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wall-street-stocks-set-to-resume-rally-on-fed-rate-hike-hopes-trump-relief-2017-03-01)
I think he got better as the speech progressed. In the beginning, he was very rigid with his eyes almost glued to the teleprompters in front of him while speaking almost in a monotone fashion.
It's interesting to read the different perceptions between someone who wants to blow Trump and someone who doesn't. :biggrin:
Very true. It's almost as if they listened to two different speeches.
Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2017, 12:45:53 PM
Very true. It's almost as if they listened to two different speeches.
Must be harder to hear when you're salivating. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2017, 12:24:19 PM
I think he got better as the speech progressed. In the beginning, he was very rigid with his eyes almost glued to the teleprompters in front of him while speaking almost in a monotone fashion.
I do agree.......he got much better as he progressed.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2017, 12:03:36 PM
That isn't what MOST people thought...
Stock markets surge to fresh intraday records after Trump speech
Do you ever really read the links you put up beyond the headline and the hook?
Like that one, they rarely support your premise. (you should have read down till the meat of the article - the Fed)
Try it sometime. ; )
Quote from: Exterminator on March 01, 2017, 12:40:29 PM
It's interesting to read the different perceptions between someone who wants to blow Trump and someone who doesn't. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2017, 12:45:53 PM
Very true. It's almost as if they listened to two different speeches.
I don't know how anyone but the sub-100 crowd can stand to listen to him.
His language skills are atrocious, and his content is third grade level and rarely coherent.
I find it extremely difficult to believe he graduated college on his own merit.
English is where they get rid of the chaff, and he doesn't exhibit the skills to have passed basic English 101.
As a matter of fact, I find him worse than listening to 'athletes' and I absolutely HATE listening to 'athletes'!
Quote from: Y on March 01, 2017, 01:36:37 PM
I don't know how anyone but the sub-100 crowd can stand to listen to him.
His language skills are atrocious, and his content is third grade level and rarely coherent.
I find it extremely difficult to believe he graduated college on his own merit.
English is where they get rid of the chaff, and he doesn't exhibit the skills to have passed basic English 101.
As a matter of fact, I find him worse than listening to 'athletes' and I absolutely HATE listening to 'athletes'!
I find it rather sad that when you can't fault the content you fault the person with a personal attack. He didn't stammer and stutter or hold his head up looking down his nose in an egotistical manner, he looked straight at the people/camera and spoke in trems of the people rather than himself. He was inclusive rather than divisive.
Quote from: me on March 01, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
I find it rather sad that when you can't fault the content you fault the person with a personal attack. He didn't stammer and stutter or hold his head up looking down his nose in an egotistical manner, he looked straight at the people/camera and spoke in trems of the people rather than himself. He was inclusive rather than divisive.
Stop making excuses for the Raging Cheeto's inability to lead in a constructive manner.
Last night was his "best shot" at sucking up to the individuals that are opposing him; and he did poorly. Words are words and as Clara Peller so famously hawked quite sometime back, "Where's the beef?"
Again, the stock market's reaction is simply a reflection of the wealthy's confidence that this POTUS is going to further bolster their coffers and widen the gap between them and the have nots. Period. And when congress gets done with him that giant sucking sound you'll hear is going to be the middle class as they descend into the cesspool of poverty.
The Cheeto in Chief has done nothing thus far to improve the quality of life of the middle-class and poor:
- He has made it increasingly difficult for middle-class home buyers to purchase a home.
- He has sabre rattled domestically and created enemies within the very body of government he needs support from in order to achieve anything.
- He has gutted the State and Diplomatic departments and is replacing them with political puppets of his will. (Or trying to).
- He constantly spews half truths and outright lies as if he has the power to make them the truth.
- He and his cohort the anti-christ are busy alienating an entire class of this nations population by treading on their constitutional rights.
- He continues to assert that he is above the laws of the land he is supposed to be governing, and issues executive orders as frequently as anyone reading this wipes their own ass.
- He is busy whining about "Obamacare" but we still don't have any idea what he and his administration intend to replace it with. (And at this juncture I'm fairly certain they don't care what they replace it with or who it dooms to fiscal ruination and death).
Thus far I have seen absolutely nothing that is positive surrounding this POTUS or his administration; outside of the fact that as each day passes his expiration date gets closer.
Well. Nancy Pelosi has asked Attorney General Jeff Sessions to resign. Reason: He lied about contact with Russians. Source: MSNBC. A regularly scheduled program was interrupted by breaking news about Trump and his people and the Russians. I sat there for 2 hours trying not to miss a thing, and I swear it sounded like a good spy novel.
I need to get some sleep so won't try to describe all that went on :eek: except for one thing that was both surprising and reassuring: when former POTUS Obama was made aware of certain information regarding what has been going on, he very carefully passed it on to certain others he could trust.
Two newspapers, The Washington Post and one other, will air the stories tomorrow morning.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 01, 2017, 04:36:35 PM
- He is busy whining about "Obamacare" but we still don't have any idea what he and his administration intend to replace it with.
They have had 7 years...7 years to come up with something...anything...and they have nothing. :rolleyes:
Quote from: libby on March 01, 2017, 11:53:45 PM
Well. Nancy Pelosi has asked Attorney General Jeff Sessions to resign. Reason: He lied about contact with Russians.
Yeah, 'me' poo-pooed this information when it was first mentioned the other day but now it's everywhere. Seems simple enough...Sessions sat in front of Congress and flat out stated that he had had zero contact with the Russians. That was an outright lie. He needs to go.
:pop:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 01, 2017, 12:03:36 PM
That isn't what MOST people thought...
Stock markets surge to fresh intraday records after Trump speech (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/wall-street-stocks-set-to-resume-rally-on-fed-rate-hike-hopes-trump-relief-2017-03-01)
:clap: :clap: :yeah: :yeah: :idea2: Henry why don't you put your life saving in Trump's stock market. Just think you could be come one of the upper 10%ers. Wake up from you dreams and buy in Trump's stock market stock. :cube: :piano: :chick: :koolaid:
I'm really thinking of getting out of the stock market now, while the bloom is still on the rose. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on March 02, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
I'm really thinking of getting out of the stock market now, while the bloom is still on the rose.
Now would appear to be the time before the bloodletting begins.
Quote from: libby on March 01, 2017, 11:53:45 PM
Well. Nancy Pelosi has asked Attorney General Jeff Sessions to resign. Reason: He lied about contact with Russians. Source: MSNBC. A regularly scheduled program was interrupted by breaking news about Trump and his people and the Russians. I sat there for 2 hours trying not to miss a thing, and I swear it sounded like a good spy novel.
I need to get some sleep so won't try to describe all that went on :eek: except for one thing that was both surprising and reassuring: when former POTUS Obama was made aware of certain information regarding what has been going on, he very carefully passed it on to certain others he could trust.
Two newspapers, The Washington Post and one other, will air the stories tomorrow morning.
It is more Political Theater!
From what I hear is this:
Sen. Patrick Leahy asked Sessions if he had "been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after Election Day?"
The attorney general was not asked if he had been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government for any reason during the entire course of the year.
Session answered the question.....
What he DID do is have meetings with foreign ambassadors, which is part of his job....Senators do an a regular basis. This is nothing more than sore -assed liberals pouncing pathetically on an opportunity to further smear everyone/anyone associated with Trump....this is BS at its finest.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2017, 01:39:18 PM
It is more Political Theater!
From what I hear is this:
Sen. Patrick Leahy asked Sessions if he had "been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after Election Day?"
The attorney general was not asked if he had been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government for any reason during the entire course of the year.
Session answered the question.....
What he DID do is have meetings with foreign ambassadors, which is part of his job....Senators do an a regular basis. This is nothing more than sore -assed liberals pouncing pathetically on an opportunity to further smear everyone/anyone associated with Trump....this is BS at its finest.
Keep telling yourself that...the clock is ticking on Sessions.
Yeah, he has another 3 years and 300 some days left.
tick tock
and possibly 7 years.....put that in your pipe...
I'll say it again. This is Hank:
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." -- Donald J. Trump
Quote from: Locutus on March 02, 2017, 01:55:15 PM
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters Hank would still fantasize about fellating me." -- Donald J. Trump
Fixed this for you! :biggrin:
You're probably not too far off. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on March 02, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
I'm really thinking of getting out of the stock market now, while the bloom is still on the rose.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2017, 01:29:28 PM
Now would appear to be the time before the bloodletting begins.
We were gritting our teeth waiting for the first of the year to get out before Drumpf could do something that would cause stocks to fall.
There was a story on the news the other day I caught in passing that was talking about all the people getting out of the market.
Quote from: me on March 01, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
I find it rather sad that when you can't fault the content you fault the person with a personal attack. He didn't stammer and stutter or hold his head up looking down his nose in an egotistical manner, he looked straight at the people/camera and spoke in trems of the people rather than himself. He was inclusive rather than divisive.
Pffft!
You'd better read my post again:
Quote from: Y on March 01, 2017, 01:36:37 PM
I don't know how anyone but the sub-100 crowd can stand to listen to him.
His language skills are atrocious, and his content is third grade level and rarely coherent.
I find it extremely difficult to believe he graduated college on his own merit.
English is where they get rid of the chaff, and he doesn't exhibit the skills to have passed basic English 101.
As a matter of fact, I find him worse than listening to 'athletes' and I absolutely HATE listening to 'athletes'!
I specifically addressed 'content'.
And as far as "trems (sic)of the people", that's what I meant about poor language skills and the sub-100 group. Most people can hardly use the language.
Quote from: Y on March 03, 2017, 02:49:51 PM
We were gritting our teeth waiting for the first of the year to get out before Drumpf could do something that would cause stocks to fall.
There was a story on the news the other day I caught in passing that was talking about all the people getting out of the market.
The retail sector is collapsing even as we speak.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2017, 07:49:31 AM
They have had 7 years...7 years to come up with something...anything...and they have nothing. :rolleyes:
They haven't because their loyalty is to their korporate masters and their anti-social ideology rather than to the American people and society.
I can't think of one damn Repug since T. Roosevelt who has been ardently for the people...
...and yet the sub-100 crowd salivate for the red meat Drumpf and his party throw them.
Pure abject stupidity!
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2017, 03:02:33 PM
The retail sector is collapsing even as we speak.
Yep, good old companies, JC Penny, Sears Roebuck. Who's next? :cry: :cry: :shrug: :pigdance: Trump?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2017, 01:39:18 PM
Session answered the question.....
That cretin Sessions knew exactly what was being aimed at and he was deliberately disingenuous.
And it wasn't just with him, most of the hearings I've looked in on have full of nothing but saying BS Drumpf's appointees think the grillers want to hear instead of the truth - just like Sessions.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2017, 03:02:33 PM
The retail sector is collapsing even as we speak.
I would not be surprised in the least to see what have been the mainstays small-town America (K-mart, Penny's, Sears, Target etc.) retail disappear before too long.
Quote from: Y on March 03, 2017, 03:17:34 PM
I would not be surprised in the least to see what have been the mainstays small-town America (K-mart, Penny's, Sears, Target etc.) retail disappear before too long.
They already are! Sears/K-mart are all but gone, Penny's just announced 140 store closures...but it isn't just them...The Limited (who every retailer wanted to be in the '80's) just closed all of their stores, Macy's is closing 68 (with more on the horizon, look for Kenneth Cole, Lord and Taylor, Wet Seal, etc. to make announcements soon...even H.H. Gregg is in chapter 11! It's getting pretty ugly out there!
Anderson lost the South K-mart, Sears, Penny's, and Target quite a while ago.
A lot of that had to do with the money leaving Anderson with GM; there's no money there any more.
I've seen stories on the Limited, Macy's, and HHGregg's financial troubles.
Online sales are causing a big transition in box retail.
Back to Donald Trump: The latest from Rachel Maddow, about half an hour ago, is that our POTUS's plane and that of a Russian "oligarch" he has dealt with (real estate in Florida) have just happened to show up at the same places -- 5 times I believe she said. North Carolina, Florida ... I don't remember the other places. And how does she know that? Someone she knows has been keeping track of them. :spooked: :eek: -- Maybe I'm really asleep and having a nightmare? Too much MSNBC?
From Donald J Trump's FB page
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17103258_1894841477427249_7779168546443080137_n.jpg?oh=0e78c7fee038d62c2586cb248b8a48ce&oe=5968F641)
"Please show your support for this victim of the Bowling Green Massacre. I know her personally, and she is a fantastic woman."
:biggrin:
Quote from: AbbyTC on March 04, 2017, 01:08:04 PM
From Donald J Trump's FB page
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17103258_1894841477427249_7779168546443080137_n.jpg?oh=0e78c7fee038d62c2586cb248b8a48ce&oe=5968F641)
"Please show your support for this victim of the Bowling Green Massacre. I know her personally, and she is a fantastic woman."
:biggrin:
:rotfl:
How'd she get onto the couch? Someone grab her like a bowling ball? :spooked: :icon_twisted:
This is funny, but scary is it many not be too far from the truth.
Credit Andy Borowitz.
HOW TRUMP GETS HIS NEWS:
1) Trump has paranoid thought
2) Trump shares it with Steve Bannon
3) Bannon shares it with Breitbart
4) Brietbart publishes it
5) Trump reads it in Breitbart and shouts in amazement, "THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT."
Pale Horse I got a question. Where you work, you got to have a bunch of college educated Republicans working there. :rolleyes: What do they think of their vote for Trump and how do they justify it. :haha: It surly has to be funny to see them come up with a reasonable answer. :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on March 05, 2017, 03:50:37 PM
Pale Horse I got a question. Where you work, you got to have a bunch of college educated Republicans working there. :rolleyes: What do they think of their vote for Trump and how do they justify it. :haha: It surly has to be funny to see them come up with a reasonable answer. :haha:
Actually it isn't funny. It scares the hell out of me. :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 05, 2017, 06:20:07 PM
Actually it isn't funny. It scares the hell out of me. :spooked:
Every Trump voter I have talk to, says, "Give him a chance to make America greater." :doh: Just how long is this going to take. :kickcan: :mad:
I'm sure this article (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal) will have far too many words (and not enough pictures) to interest the conservative crowd but it is important nonetheless. To summarize, it essentially establishes ties between Trump, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, money laundering to fund terrorist activities and nuclear weapons development and a whole host of other documented improprieties.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is your current POTUS...it'll only take one of these to impeach him and there is a shit ton of dirty laundry on the guy out there.
Quote from: The Troll on March 05, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
Every Trump voter I have talk to, says, "Give him a chance to make America greater." :doh: Just how long is this going to take. :kickcan: :mad:
What they really mean is "make America 'whiter'!"
This past election was about returning to the Fifties ideal of the dominance of White and Christian.
Quote from: Y on March 06, 2017, 06:21:43 PM
This past election was about returning to the Fifties ideal of the dominance of White and Christian.
Exactly.
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17103616_1245045615590926_59803791225789744_n.jpg?oh=08933d3f4521359a36e935c67e5bbc78&oe=592ECDC5)
We need several million of those.
(https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17203057_1732271226783848_6056837343586856197_n.png?oh=cb9bffe618c843f1b016761310ffb5c1&oe=5927F9E3)
Best title ever! (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text) Could these people be any more delusional? :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 08, 2017, 02:33:57 PM
Best title ever! (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text) Could these people be any more delusional? :biggrin:
I don't think so.
We appear to be in the throes of RW national insanity.
How in the world could a political party, a government, or a society not understand the necessity of universal healthcare for all citizens?
Quote from: Y on March 08, 2017, 03:04:11 PM
We appear to be in the throes of RW national insanity.
How in the world could a political party, a government, or a society not understand the necessity of universal healthcare for all citizens?
:confused: :spooked: I think a lot of people don't read the newspapers any more, or listen to the news or otherwise keep up with what's going on. I have family and friends like that, who have the attitude about Trump of "Let's give him a chance, see how he does." :confused: One of my sisters said that to me recently. Part of that attitude is, it seems, that some who grew up poor and then bettered themselves, went to college and/or got good paying jobs, have no sympathy whatsoever for those less fortunate for whatever reason.
Quote from: libby on March 08, 2017, 05:43:27 PM
:confused: :spooked: I think a lot of people don't read the newspapers any more, or listen to the news or otherwise keep up with what's going on. I have family and friends like that, who have the attitude about Trump of "Let's give him a chance, see how he does." :confused: One of my sisters said that to me recently. Part of that attitude is, it seems, that some who grew up poor and then bettered themselves, went to college and/or got good paying jobs, have no sympathy whatsoever for those less fortunate for whatever reason.
They had better hope that they hold onto those good paying jobs, and pay off those boats, cars, trucks, and other toys before they lose them. They'll be back to minimum wage jobs in a heartbeat after they lose them. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 08, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
They had better hope that they hold onto those good paying jobs, and pay off those boats, cars, trucks, and other toys before they lose them. They'll be back to minimum wage jobs in a heartbeat after they lose them. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Yes, indeed. I have this feeling of uneasiness that I can't shake because I DO read the newspapers and listen to the news. And things are getting crazier by the day. I keep thinking about what happens, who takes steps to impeach Trump, will it be too late, ..... I guess Rachel Maddow's program last night made me really stop and think. She talked about the State Department, what is happening there (getting rid of the people who've been there for a long time, who carry the history of the organization).
Quote from: libby on March 09, 2017, 05:56:16 PM
. . . She talked about the State Department, what is happening there (getting rid of the people who've been there for a long time, who carry the history of the organization).
That is SOP for driving wages/salaries down and profits up. Apparently something the government is now undertaking itself. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Network evening news featured a story about a local restaurant that is suing the government over the Raging Cheeto's restaurant located in his hotel, and the unfair advantage his owning the place delivers. . .
The building is owned by the government and leased by the Cheeto's company. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 09, 2017, 06:52:01 PM
The building is owned by the government and leased by the Cheeto's company. . .
In direct contrast to the lease language.
Remember when we said Trump voters deserve everything they get? (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/55-year-time-voter-chose-trump-protests-large/story?id=45991134&cid=social_twitter_abcnp) And they're just getting started!
Quote from: Exterminator on March 10, 2017, 12:09:40 PM
Remember when we said Trump voters deserve everything they get? (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/55-year-time-voter-chose-trump-protests-large/story?id=45991134&cid=social_twitter_abcnp) And they're just getting started!
I can't believe that she, and people like her, were really that stupid in their justification of voting Trump. :rolleyes:
"I'm not in the job of having evidence." -- Kellyanne Conway.
:rolleyes:
This administration is a fucking joke.
"What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other. You can surveil someone through their phones, certainly through their television sets - any number of different ways. It can be conducted using microwaves that turn into cameras. We know this is a fact of modern life." -- Kellyanne Conway
Seriously! How is this defensible?
Abject stupidity is now the norm coming from the highest office in the land and his fucking supporters don't give two shits about it. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on March 13, 2017, 11:11:26 AM
"What I can say is there are many ways to surveil each other. You can surveil someone through their phones, certainly through their television sets - any number of different ways. It can be conducted using microwaves that turn into cameras. We know this is a fact of modern life." -- Kellyanne Conway
Seriously! How is this defensible?
Abject stupidity is now the norm coming from the highest office in the land and his fucking supporters don't give two shits about it. :mad: :mad: :mad:
You lost; Get over it....
Quote from: Locutus on March 13, 2017, 09:24:54 AM
"I'm not in the job of having evidence." -- Kellyanne Conway.
:rolleyes:
This administration is a fucking joke.
Yes. A scary joke.
As for Kellyanne,
"I'm not in the job of having evidence." -- .
In other words, she's a parrot, and you can bet she chose those words carefully. She's a lawyer, and has reportedly been getting some attention from others in her profession.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 13, 2017, 11:40:59 AM
You lost; Get over it....
Point proven.
The trouble is, you're going to lose too. You're just not smart enough to see it. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on March 13, 2017, 02:14:03 PM
Point proven.
The trouble is, you're going to lose too. You're just not smart enough to see it. :wink:
No worries here..... :wink:
The exact same thing was said during the Reagan Admin..... :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 13, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
No worries here..... :wink:
The exact same thing was said during the Reagan Admin..... :wink:
Trump is far from Reagan.
Quote from: Locutus on March 13, 2017, 02:55:32 PM
Trump is far from Reagan.
Locutus, let's have this talk a year from now. He has been in for less than two months now.....it amazes me how critical you are on him, well not really, but ....
"His errors glide past unchallenged. At one point...he alleged that almost half the population gets a free meal from the government each day. No one told him he was crazy. The general message of the American press is that, yes, while it is perfectly true that the emperor has no clothes, nudity is actually very acceptable this year."
--Simon Hoggart, in The Observer (London), 1986
"an amiable dunce"
--Clark Clifford (former Defense Secretary)
"The task of watering the arid desert between Reagan's ears is a challenging one for his aides."
--Columnist David Broder
There are several quotes by his enemies, that spoke down to him just as you and the media do to Trump.........I remember distinctly how the liberals made fun of him, how they were scared he was going to use the BOMB, how they worried about EVERYTHING he did........yet, he is now remembered by a large majority as ONE of the best POTUS's of all time.
Quote from: Locutus on March 13, 2017, 02:55:32 PM
Trump is far from Reagan.
Not really; Reagan was pretty much a douche as well.
I honestly have never understood the romanticized version of the Reagan years that people like Henry believe. The only possible explanation I can come up with is that they were, at the time, 30 years even more ignorant and less educated than they are today. :rolleyes:
I once worked with a woman whose husband worked for Reagan. I asked if she'd met Reagan, and she said yes. I then asked what he was like in person, and she said, "Old" -- and not another word. That was unusual for her, because she talked to me a lot -- especially about her husband who was ... well, let's say I felt sorry for her.
Does anyone besides me find this concerning?
EXECUTIVE ORDER
- - - - - - -
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR REORGANIZING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Purpose. This order is intended to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of the executive branch by directing the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (Director) to propose a plan to reorganize governmental functions and eliminate unnecessary agencies (as defined in section 551(1) of title 5, United States Code), components of agencies, and agency programs.
Sec. 2. Proposed Plan to Improve the Efficiency, Effectiveness, and Accountability of Federal Agencies, Including, as Appropriate, to Eliminate or Reorganize Unnecessary or Redundant Federal Agencies. (a) Within 180 days of the date of this order, the head of each agency shall submit to the Director a proposed plan to reorganize the agency, if appropriate, in order to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of that agency.
(b) The Director shall publish a notice in the Federal Register inviting the public to suggest improvements in the organization and functioning of the executive branch and shall consider the suggestions when formulating the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section.
(c) Within 180 days after the closing date for the submission of suggestions pursuant to subsection (b) of this section, the Director shall submit to the President a proposed plan to reorganize the executive branch in order to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of agencies. The proposed plan shall include, as appropriate, recommendations to eliminate unnecessary agencies, components of agencies, and agency programs, and to merge functions. The proposed plan shall include recommendations for any legislation or administrative measures necessary to achieve the proposed reorganization.
(d) In developing the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section, the Director shall consider, in addition to any other relevant factors:
(i) whether some or all of the functions of an agency, a component, or a program are appropriate for the Federal Government or would be better left to State or local governments or to the private sector through free enterprise;
(ii) whether some or all of the functions of an agency, a component, or a program are redundant, including with those of another agency, component, or program;
(iii) whether certain administrative capabilities necessary for operating an agency, a component, or a program are redundant with those of another agency, component, or program;
(iv) whether the costs of continuing to operate an agency, a component, or a program are justified by the public benefits it provides; and
(v) the costs of shutting down or merging agencies, components, or programs, including the costs of addressing the equities of affected agency staff.
(e) In developing the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section, the Director shall consult with the head of each agency and, consistent with applicable law, with persons or entities outside the Federal Government with relevant expertise in organizational structure and management.
Sec. 3. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
DONALD J. TRUMP
THE WHITE HOUSE,
March 13, 2017.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/13/presidential-executive-order-comprehensive-plan-reorganizing-executive
I'd also like to hear what the usual Trumpateers think as well.
His days are numbered.
Yeah, but if that were to ever happen, we end up with your ex-governor.
This may be more than the usual suspects to comprehend, but I would like to hear what they think of this executive order vis a vis his cabinet appointments.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 14, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
His days are numbered.
Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2017, 05:33:49 PM
Yeah, but if that were to ever happen, we end up with your ex-governor.
It's even worse than you imagine. The damn RW nutcases have the country in a trick bag.
If Drumpf is shitcanned, as Loc points out we get the RW religious psychopath Pence. But it gets even worse from there.
If Pence falls, we get that idiot Ryan. If Ryan's dumped, we get that senile fart McConnell.
Face it, the RW power base has manipulated the system so there are no good options and only their crazy solutions - and I'm not so certain that Drumpf isn't just a dumbarse puppet for those behind the scenes just like Ray-gun and the Shrub were.
I don't think we can even mitigate the damage they'll cause until the next elections. :rant:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 14, 2017, 12:21:50 PM
I honestly have never understood the romanticized version of the Reagan years that people like Henry believe. The only possible explanation I can come up with is that they were, at the time, 30 years even more ignorant and less educated than they are today. :rolleyes:
Me neither. He was an idiot, a puppet, and a senile old fool. I despise the fact that I voted for him in '80. I should have known better. I'd seen his actions in California.
Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2017, 04:45:43 PM
I'd also like to hear what the usual Trumpateers think as well.
It's just the setup for what those crazy corrupt RW maniacs have been wanting to do for ages.
There will go protections and oversight we'd fought so hard to get. They really intend to set us back to pre-FDR and pre-TR times.
Quote from: Y on March 14, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
Me neither. He was an idiot, a puppet, and a senile old fool.
I rest my case.
Quote from: Y on March 14, 2017, 06:19:18 PM
It's even worse than you imagine. The damn RW nutcases have the country in a trick bag.
. . .
I don't think we can even mitigate the damage they'll cause until the next elections. :rant:
Yes they do indeed. :mad:
Sweet baby Jeebus Hangin' on Da Cross; I hope you are wrong. . . :spooked:
Hey Hawk ( shit for brains) What about your crazy fool Trump. You Republicans cried about Obama spending $12 Million a year for vacations. Wow, your fool has spent in the last 8 weeks, yes, 8 weeks $15 Million going to Florida. Please tell me you can approve of that foolish spending. All this and the taxpayers are paying for the protection of Trumps wife who refuses to live in the White House. Come on Bird Brain please tell us how you love this spending. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.
:spooked: Very scary because he's a former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and could have already done irreparable harm. Who knows how much Trump knows about what has been going on...
... and speaking of, I watched Rachel Maddow tonight, and Flynn was the subject. She interviewed two men who were part of the Hillary Clinton campaign; they apparently began tracking Flynn some time after the news of Russian hacking surfaced.
Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2017, 04:45:08 PM
Does anyone besides me find this concerning?
EXECUTIVE ORDER
- - - - - - -
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR REORGANIZING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Purpose. This order is intended to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of the executive branch by directing the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (Director) to propose a plan to reorganize governmental functions and eliminate unnecessary agencies (as defined in section 551(1) of title 5, United States Code), components of agencies, and agency programs.
Sec. 2. Proposed Plan to Improve the Efficiency, Effectiveness, and Accountability of Federal Agencies, Including, as Appropriate, to Eliminate or Reorganize Unnecessary or Redundant Federal Agencies. (a) Within 180 days of the date of this order, the head of each agency shall submit to the Director a proposed plan to reorganize the agency, if appropriate, in order to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of that agency.
(b) The Director shall publish a notice in the Federal Register inviting the public to suggest improvements in the organization and functioning of the executive branch and shall consider the suggestions when formulating the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section.
(c) Within 180 days after the closing date for the submission of suggestions pursuant to subsection (b) of this section, the Director shall submit to the President a proposed plan to reorganize the executive branch in order to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of agencies. The proposed plan shall include, as appropriate, recommendations to eliminate unnecessary agencies, components of agencies, and agency programs, and to merge functions. The proposed plan shall include recommendations for any legislation or administrative measures necessary to achieve the proposed reorganization.
(d) In developing the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section, the Director shall consider, in addition to any other relevant factors:
(i) whether some or all of the functions of an agency, a component, or a program are appropriate for the Federal Government or would be better left to State or local governments or to the private sector through free enterprise;
(ii) whether some or all of the functions of an agency, a component, or a program are redundant, including with those of another agency, component, or program;
(iii) whether certain administrative capabilities necessary for operating an agency, a component, or a program are redundant with those of another agency, component, or program;
(iv) whether the costs of continuing to operate an agency, a component, or a program are justified by the public benefits it provides; and
(v) the costs of shutting down or merging agencies, components, or programs, including the costs of addressing the equities of affected agency staff.
(e) In developing the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section, the Director shall consult with the head of each agency and, consistent with applicable law, with persons or entities outside the Federal Government with relevant expertise in organizational structure and management.
Sec. 3. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
DONALD J. TRUMP
THE WHITE HOUSE,
March 13, 2017.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/13/presidential-executive-order-comprehensive-plan-reorganizing-executive
YES! I do.
Quote from: libby on March 17, 2017, 11:45:17 PM
:spooked: Very scary because he's a former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and could have already done irreparable harm. Who knows how much Trump knows about what has been going on...
... and speaking of, I watched Rachel Maddow tonight, and Flynn was the subject. She also interviewed two men who were part of the Hillary Clinton campaign; they apparently began tracking Flynn some time after the news of Russian hacking surfaced.
The two former Clinton campaigners were Robby Nook and Russ Gucifer.
By Rosa Figueroa:
1. He called Hillary Clinton a crook.
You bought it.
Then he paid $25 million to settle a fraud lawsuit.
2. He said he'd release his tax returns, eventually.
You bought it.
He hasn't, and says he never will.
3. He said he'd divest himself from his financial empire, to avoid any conflicts of interest.
You bought it.
He is still heavily involved in his businesses, manipulates the stock market on a daily basis, and has more conflicts of interest than can even be counted.
4. He said Clinton was in the pockets of Goldman Sachs, and would do whatever they said.
You bought it.
He then proceeded to put half a dozen Goldman Sachs executives in positions of power in his administration.
5. He said he'd surround himself with all the best and smartest people.
You bought it.
He nominated theocratic loon Mike Pence for Vice President. A white supremacist named Steve Bannon is his most trusted confidant. Dr. Ben Carson, the world's greatest idiot savant brain surgeon, is in charge of HUD. Russian quisling Rex Tillerson is Secretary of State.
6. He said he'd be his own man, beholden to no one.
You bought it.
He then appointed Betsy DeVos as Secretary of Education, whose only "qualifications" were the massive amounts of cash she donated to his campaign.
7. He said he would "drain the swamp" of Washington insiders.
You bought it.
He then admitted that was just a corny slogan he said to fire up the rubes during the rallies, and that he didn't mean it.
8. He said he knew more about strategy and terrorism than the Generals did.
You bought it.
He promptly gave the green light to a disastrous raid in Yemen- even though all his Generals said it would be a terrible idea. This raid resulted in the deaths of a Navy SEAL, an 8-year old American girl, and numerous civilians. The actual target of the raid escaped, and no useful intel was gained.
9. He said Hillary Clinton couldn't be counted on in times of crisis.
You bought it.
He didn't even bother overseeing that raid in Yemen; and instead spent the time hate-tweeting the New York Times, and sleeping.
10. He called CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times "fake news" and said they were his enemy.
You bought it.
He now gets all his information from Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, and InfoWars.
11. He called Barack Obama "the vacationer-in-Chief" and accused him of playing more rounds of golf than Tiger Woods. He promised to never be the kind of president who took cushy vacations on the taxpayer's dime, not when there was so much important work to be done.
You bought it.
He took his first vacation after 11 days in office.
On the taxpayer's dime.
And went golfing.
And that was just the first month.
He is absolutely unfit to be president of the United States when the Director of the FBI, and the Director of the NSA, are being read tweets from the @POTUS account that were made while testifying before Congress. :rolleyes:
All of the men and women in the government has stated that Obama did not wiretap Donald Trump's Tower. :pigdance: What more do you god damn assholes Republicans want. :doh: :finger2:
Stepping on your dicks as usual. :haha: :haha:
Hey Baby Robin ( The Hawk) what about your ass hole president that you love so much. :smitten: :haha: :haha: His approval rate is at 37%, how long are you going to hang on. :hanged: I think you really should think about it. :think: :thubb:
Did any of you watch the House Intelligence Committee's interrogation of FBI Director Comey and Admiral Rogers? I dreaded watching it because of the confusion after Comey's brief statements before the election. Wasn't long though until I realized I was watching/listening to a real professional, the kind most people outside the USG seldom if ever come in contact with. I tuned in about 9:15 and sat there transfixed (mostly) until it ended.
The high point for me was when Director Comey stated without hesitation that the Russians had been involved in the POTUS election, and their goal, because they hated Hillary so much, was to help Trump win. He also said there was no evidence to indicate that President Obama tried to listen in on Trump Towers. The investigation is not complete. Director Comey cited NSA and CIA concurrence.
I watched it too. It was the genesis of my comment above about them being read the tweets that were made from the @POTUS account while they were testifying. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on March 21, 2017, 09:56:55 AM
I watched it too. It was the genesis of my comment above about them being read the tweets that were made from the @POTUS account while they were testifying. ;D
:smile: I wrote and rewrote my reply and was half asleep when I finally posted it. (I accidentally erased it and had to start over.)
What is potentially going on is mind-boggling. :spooked:
Found on Facebook, original author unknown:
"'Why should coal miners pay for PBS'? This was an actual question asked by the Trump administration yesterday. Obviously a blatantly stupid question. We have questions too. Why should a poor black family in Detroit pay for the President to go golfing? Why should a single mother of 3 who's working 2 jobs in Louisiana be denied health-care so that the CEO of Etna can get a tax-break? Why is the guy washing dishes in Baton Rouge paying for the President's wife's secret service protection so she can live comfortably in NYC? We could do this all day. But here's the real question the Trump administration and the Republicans who empower him need to answer: Do you have a heart? Did no one teach you to care about your neighbors? Do you know what "empathy" means? Did no one ever teach you to "share" when you were in kindergarten? Have you never heard the phrase "do unto others"? I can't think of a group of people who need to watch Sesame Street MORE than the Republican party. Perhaps they would learn some common decency."
That is good. And sad. I say sad because it's obvious a lot of people don't know what empathy means, probably because they don't feel it. I had my ah-ha moment from a sentence in a psychology text: Empathy usually kicks in at about age 13, but some people live and die without feeling it.
Trump is one of them. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 21, 2017, 01:28:02 PM
Found on Facebook, original author unknown:
"'Why should coal miners pay for PBS'? This was an actual question asked by the Trump administration yesterday. Obviously a blatantly stupid question. We have questions too. Why should a poor black family in Detroit pay for the President to go golfing? Why should a single mother of 3 who's working 2 jobs in Louisiana be denied health-care so that the CEO of Etna can get a tax-break? Why is the guy washing dishes in Baton Rouge paying for the President's wife's secret service protection so she can live comfortably in NYC? We could do this all day. But here's the real question the Trump administration and the Republicans who empower him need to answer: Do you have a heart? Did no one teach you to care about your neighbors? Do you know what "empathy" means? Did no one ever teach you to "share" when you were in kindergarten? Have you never heard the phrase "do unto others"? I can't think of a group of people who need to watch Sesame Street MORE than the Republican party. Perhaps they would learn some common decency."
Absolutely! TRUTH! :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on March 21, 2017, 07:11:51 PM
Trump is one of them. :yes:
Absolutely! TRUTH! :yes:
Stock Market down, anyone want to bet that the Trump Bump is over. :haha: I would bet it is. :yes: :smile: I sure hope that Henry Hawk bought a whole bunch in the last two or three weeks. :haha: :haha: :doh:
The following is from today's Washington Post. It is stunning evidence that Donald Trump for all intents and purposes lives in an alternate reality, one that is very real but so far removed from what everyday normal people believe, think, feel that it is mind-blowing. It's very long; I had to stop several times and think, back up, re-read.
The Washington Post
Labor nominee Acosta cut deal with billionaire guilty in sex abuse case
Acosta responds to Washington Post report about lawsuit deal Play Video6:43
Alexander Acosta, President Trump's nominee for labor secretary, was asked by Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) about a Washington Post report that he cut a deal with billionaire money manager Jeffrey Epstein, who is accused of sexually abusing more than 40 minor girls. (Reuters)
By Marc Fisher March 22 at 11:19 AM
There was once a time — before the investigations, before the sexual abuse conviction — when rich and famous men loved to hang around with Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire money manager who loved to party.
They visited his mansion in Palm Beach, Fla. They flew on his jet to join him at his private estate on the Caribbean island of Little Saint James. They even joked about his taste in younger women.
President Trump called Epstein a "terrific guy" back in 2002, saying that "he's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."
Now, Trump is on the witness list in a Florida court battle over how federal prosecutors handled allegations that Epstein, 64, sexually abused more than 40 minor girls, most of them between the ages of 13 and 17. The lawsuit questions why Trump's nominee for labor secretary, former Miami U.S. attorney Alexander Acosta, whose Senate confirmation hearing began Wednesday morning, cut a non-prosecution deal with Epstein a decade ago rather than pursuing a federal indictment that Acosta's staff had advocated.
[Read the non-prosecution deal Acosta made with Epstein]
What you need to know about Alexander Acosta Play Video1:25
President Trump nominated former U.S. attorney Alexander Acosta to lead the Labor Department. (Thomas Johnson/The Washington Post)
Although Epstein's friends and visitors once included past and future presidents, rock stars, and some of the country's richest men, he is no longer a social magnet. Epstein pleaded guilty to a Florida state charge of felony solicitation of underage girls in 2008 and served a 13-month jail sentence. Politicians who had accepted his donations, including former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson and former New York governor Eliot Spitzer, have scurried to give them back. (Harvard University kept a $6.5 million gift, saying it was "funding important research" in mathematics.)
But Epstein's unusually light punishment — he was facing up to a life sentence had he been convicted on federal charges — has raised questions about how Acosta handled the case.
Former Palm Beach police chief Michael Reiter, whose department conducted the initial investigation into Epstein's behavior, said in a civil lawsuit deposition that Epstein got off easy.
"That wasn't an appropriate resolution of this matter," Reiter said, arguing that the charges leveled against Epstein were "very minor," compared with what the facts called for. In a letter to parents of Epstein's victims, Reiter said justice had not been served.
Prosecutors in Acosta's Miami office who had joined the FBI in the investigation concluded, according to documents produced by the U.S. attorney's office, that Epstein, working through several female assistants, "would recruit underage females to travel to his home in Palm Beach to engage in lewd conduct in exchange for money ... Some went there as much as 100 times or more. Some of the women's conduct was limited to performing a topless or nude massage while Mr. Epstein masturbated himself. For other women, the conduct escalated to full sexual intercourse."
Epstein has a near-legendary reputation in New York financial circles as a money manager who made many millions for his clients. Although he never graduated from college, he taught advanced math at the Dalton School, one of the city's top private schools, and went on to be a successful trader at Bear Stearns before starting his own firm, J. Epstein& Co., which managed the finances of clients who had a minimum of $1 billion in assets.
Federal prosecutors detailed their findings in an 82-page prosecution memo and a 53-page indictment, but Epstein was never indicted. In 2007, Acosta signed a non-prosecution deal in which he agreed not to pursue federal charges against Epstein or four women who the government said procured girls for him. In exchange, Epstein agreed to plead guilty to a solicitation charge in state court, accept a 13-month sentence, register as a sex offender and pay restitution to the victims identified in the federal investigation.
"This agreement will not be made part of any public record," the deal between Epstein and Acosta says. The document was unsealed by a federal judge in a civil lawsuit in 2015.
Reiter said in the 2009 deposition that federal prosecutors in Miami told him "that typically these kinds of cases with one victim would end up in a ten-year sentence." Reiter said he was surprised not only by the decision to pull back from prosecuting the case, but also by the light sentence and liberal privileges granted to Epstein during his jail term.
During Wednesday's confirmation hearing Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) pressed Acosta about the plea agreement reached with Epstein.
Acosta told the committee that the case started at the state level before the Department of Justice decided to get involved. He said the original charge debated would not have led to any jail time and that "based on the evidence," prosecutors decided to go with a deal where Epstein would have to register as a sex offender and agree to a two-year prison sentence.
His testimony Wednesday reflected Acosta's explanation of his decision in a "To whom it may concern" letter that he released to news organizations three years after the decision: "The bottom line is this: Mr. Jeffrey Epstein, a billionaire, served time in jail and is now a registered sex offender. He has been required to pay his victims restitution, though restitution clearly cannot compensate for the crime." Acosta wrote that the case against Epstein grew stronger over the years because more victims spoke out after Epstein was convicted.
Acosta is Trump's second nominee to be secretary of labor; the first, Andrew Puzder, withdrew last month after Senate Republicans questioned his past employment of an undocumented housekeeper. Support for Acosta seems strong, as some Democrats and union leaders have joined with Senate Republicans in praising the nominee, who has been confirmed for federal positions three times in the past.
In the 2011 letter explaining his decision in the Epstein case, Acosta said he backed off from pressing charges after "a year-long assault on the prosecution and the prosecutors" by "an army of legal superstars" who represented Epstein, including Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz; Kenneth Starr, who as independent counsel led the investigation that brought about President Bill Clinton's impeachment; and some of the nation's most prominent defense attorneys, such as Roy Black, Gerald Lefcourt and Jay Lefkowitz.
"The defense strategy was not limited to legal issues," Acosta wrote. "Defense counsel investigated individual prosecutors and their families, looking for personal peccadilloes that may provide a basis for disqualification."
Dershowitz said in an interview that no such effort to rattle the prosecutors ever took place. "That's just dead wrong," he said. "I would never participate in anything of that kind. Of course we investigated the witnesses but not Acosta's deputies. That's absurd."
Acosta's "intention was to indict, and he fought hard and tried to get the best deal he could," Dershowitz said. "We outlawyered him." Epstein did not return a call seeking comment.
Conchita Sarnoff, the author of "TrafficKing," a book on the Epstein case, said in an interview that Acosta told her a few years after his decision not to prosecute that "he felt incapable of going up against those eight powerful attorneys. He felt his career was at stake."
In his letter about the decision, Acosta, who has been dean of the law school at Florida International University since 2009, acknowledged that "some prosecutors felt that we should just go to trial, and at times I felt that frustration myself." He also complained that Epstein "received highly unusual treatment while in jail," including being allowed to serve much of his sentence in the county jail rather than a state prison, and being permitted to leave the jail six days a week to work at home before returning to jail to sleep.
"The treatment that he received while in state custody undermined the purpose of a jail sentence," Acosta said.
Dershowitz said Acosta "was very anxious to prosecute" Epstein, but "we persuaded them that they didn't have enough evidence of interstate transportation" of the underage girls to warrant federal charges.
But Reiter, the former police chief, said the FBI had evidence "from flight logs or something" that an underage victim "was transported on an aircraft of Mr. Epstein."
"Some may feel that the prosecution should have been tougher," Acosta wrote. "Evidence that has come to light since 2007 may encourage that view." But the prosecutor argued that his office's investigation allowed state prosecutors to strengthen their charges against Epstein. And Acosta said that those who disagree with his decision "are not the ones who at the time reviewed the evidence available for trial and assessed the likelihood of success."
The deal Acosta made with Epstein precluded any new federal prosecution based on offenses he may have committed between 2001 and 2007, but in Florida, Trump is on the witness list in a civil case in which two attorneys accuse federal prosecutors of having deceived Epstein's victims by failing to inform them that they would not charge Epstein.
Lawyers for the women argue that they had a right under the federal Crime Victims' Rights Act to know about Acosta's deal with Epstein. They say Acosta sought to keep the deal under wraps to avoid "the intense public criticism that would have resulted from allowing a politically-connected billionaire" to escape from federal prosecution.
Although Trump and Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's plane and visited his homes, neither president has been accused of taking part in the sexual misdeeds. But lawyers for Epstein's victims say Trump nonetheless may have useful information. Trump banned Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach "because Epstein sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club," Bradley Edwards, an attorney who represents three of the young women, said in court documents.
Lawyers involved with the various Epstein cases said there is virtually no chance that the president will be required to testify in a matter in which both sides agree his involvement was tangential.
Trump and Clinton are both among the dozens of names that appeared in a "black book" of Epstein's phone contacts that his houseman, Alfredo Rodriguez, obtained. Rodriguez, who died in 2015, was convicted of obstruction of justice in 2010 after he tried to sell the book for $50,000 to lawyers representing Epstein's victims. In the book, Rodriguez circled the names of contacts he said were involved in sexual misbehavior at Epstein's properties. There were no circles around the names of Trump, Clinton or other boldfaced names such as former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, former British prime minister Tony Blair, and celebrities Mick Jagger, Michael Jackson, David Frost and Jimmy Buffett.
Rodriguez spent 18 months in prison, five months longer than Epstein served in jail.
Epstein has continued to move among his homes in New York City, where he owns one of the largest private residences in Manhattan, Palm Beach and the Caribbean.
Marc Fisher, a senior editor, writes about most anything. He's been The Post's enterprise editor, local columnist and Berlin bureau chief, and he's covered politics, education, pop culture, and much else in three decades on the Metro, Style, National and Foreign desks. Follow @mffisher
(bold mine. Libby)
Gypsies, tramps, and thieves !
This is payback for Acosta not involving Trump in that investigation.
HENRY, THE GUY YOU VOTED FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS THE DUMBEST ASSHOLE IN THE WORLD. YOU SURE ARE A :turk: :haha: :haha:
Oh, oh I'm sorry, Hawk doesn't read my posts. :haha: Well anyway, the Hawk needs to change his name to Turkey Buzzard (they eat dead rotting things), because the Republican Party is dead, a corpse, a Zombie and it smells like a dead body which it is. :dead: Let's bury it. :dig: :haha: :haha: :thumbsup:
And to think he (Turkey Buzzard) is proud of voting for Trump :pigdance: :haha: :haha: :rotfl: :rotfl: Oh what a loser. :turk: :rotfl:
Where is the outrage, you hypocrite conservatives? (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-plutocracy-doesnt-come-cheap/2017/03/24/9a1f79d8-10a5-11e7-ab07-07d9f521f6b5_story.html?utm_term=.05a122456860)
If I was a Trump supporter, right now I'd be feeling like about the dumbest fuck on the entire planet who has been totally conned. All those promises about draining the swamp and how he'd never leave the White House because there was too much work to be done and how much would be done because he's such a great negotiator. LMAO! And looking back, do you feel the least bit foolish about calling Hillary a liar? This asshat has raised lying almost to an art form...really, really bad art...the worsest (sic). SAD!
Now we know that not only was he lying about his intentions the entire time he was campaigning, he and the rest of the Republicans have now proven themselves incapable of even governing. For years they've told us they wanted to repeal the ACA and replace it with something better. They had 7 years...count them...7 years to come up with something...anything...and they have nothing! When they finally have the perfect opportunity, they hobble some bullshit together at the last minute that no thinking person would ever support. Maybe they should have spent all of the time they did unsuccessfully trying to repeal the current health care law actually working on a better idea?
Now let's consider the obvious collusion between Trump's inner circle and the Russians. This is no longer a question of if but one of to what extent and who all was involved. These people conspired with a hostile foreign government to sell out their own country. It is outright treason.
If looking back over the past couple of months, knowing what you know now, you are still a Trump supporter, I have a couple of suggestions for you: First, do the world a favor and kill off all of your relatives...even the distant ones...so the rest of us can be assured that that gene swamp has been completely eradicated. Then, go ahead and suck start a shotgun yourself because you are clearly too stupid to be taking up space and breathing the same air as sane people.
317 lies in his first 63 days in office. "Bad (or sick) guy!" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/?utm_term=.2e722847e902) :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 28, 2017, 10:33:13 AM
317 lies in his first 63 days in office. "Bad (or sick) guy!" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/?utm_term=.2e722847e902) :rolleyes:
Pathological Liar in Chief! :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 28, 2017, 10:33:13 AM
317 lies in his first 63 days in office. "Bad (or sick) guy!" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/?utm_term=.2e722847e902) :rolleyes:
From the above article:
"We just gave a check for a hundred million dollars to Flint. Think of that whole, horrible deal. That's great political leadership. What a disaster. In order to save a fee, they went to bad water and spent a fortune on pipes and infrastructure. Anyway, we're helping out Flint." ~ Trump
The $100 million came from the Water Infrastructure Improvements for the Nation Act signed by President Barack Obama in December 2016. The Environmental Protection Agency sent the check in March, but this was an Obama initiative."You know what, we're doing even better now because we've brought back -- Ford is moving back in and General Motors, they're going to be doing a lot of new plants and thousands and thousands of people coming back into Michigan." ~ Trump
Trump keeps giving himself credit for business decisions made before he became president. Ford's decision has more to do with the company's long-term goal — particularly its plans to invest in electric vehicles — than with the administration. Here's what Ford chief executive Mark Fields said about the company's decision to abandon plans to open a factory in Mexico: "The reason that we are not building the new plant, the primary reason, is just demand has gone down for small cars." General Motors announced plans to rehire about 700 laid-off workers in Michigan and create 200 new jobs, but the company did not credit Trump or his election."Sweden. I make the statement, everyone goes crazy. The next day they have a massive riot, and death, and problems. ... A day later they had a horrible, horrible riot in Sweden, and you saw what happened." ~ Trump
This is false. Trump at a rally on Feb. 11 made a reference to "what's happening last night in Sweden," confusing people in that country since nothing had happened. Trump then clarified in a tweet that his statement "was in reference to a story that was broadcast on @FoxNews concerning immigrants& Sweden." Then two days later, riots broke out in a predominantly immigrant neighborhood in the northern suburbs of the country's capital, Stockholm. But no one died.Q: "The claim that Muslims celebrated 9/11 in New Jersey ..." Trump: "Well, if you look at the reporter, he wrote the story in The Washington Post."~ Trump
This is yet another Four-Pinocchio claim that we have checked over and over. Trump claimed he saw on television thousands of Muslims cheer the collapse of the World Trade Center during the Sept. 11 attacks. There is no TV footage, no newspaper coverage, just scattered, unconfirmed reports of five or six people — not necessarily Muslim, probably teenagers — celebrating. There was a small reference buried deep in an article in The Post. When the reporter said it did not support Trump's claim, Trump mocked his disability.And it goes on and on! :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2: :liar2:
SAD!
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What's sad is that although that's a meme, every single thing on there is the truth.
Donald Trump :pigdance:
How does the American public rate him? Try 36%, the voters think he is terrible, awful, hell he is rated worse than the other Republican Dumbo George W. Bush. Also "Me" and the Turkey Buzzard, Henry Hawk are in this low percentage. Plain simple truth, they aren't very smart and very slow. :doh: :trustme:
It appears Flynn is going to sing if he gets immunity. :wink:
Reuters is reporting it.
Quote from: Locutus on March 30, 2017, 07:38:45 PM
It appears Flynn is going to sing if he gets immunity. :wink:
Reuters is reporting it.
:yes:
Quote from: Locutus on March 30, 2017, 07:38:45 PM
It appears Flynn is going to sing if he gets immunity. :wink:
Reuters is reporting it.
I just heard on MSNBC news that his offer has been turned down. I wholeheartedly agree. Flynn is a very intelligent and dangerous man. His background as a Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and association with Trump have given him :spooked: :eek: knowledge and power.
I heard it was turned down as well.
What was is that Flynn said in speaking about Hillary? "Anyone asking for immunity is probably guilty. :huh1: :haha:
"That was some weird shit!" -- George W. Bush :rotfl:
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Bannon lost his seat on the National Security Council. Apparently the grown ups are intervening.
Just read that.
Me too! :yes:
Presenting the Sean Spicer rack. :rotfl:
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Quote from: Locutus on April 05, 2017, 03:54:51 PM
Presenting the Sean Spicer rack. :rotfl:
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:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I'm starting to understand why Putin was so interested in seeing Trump get into the White House. I think Russia and China are working together to try to draw the U.S. into a war and Putin understands that Trump is just unstable enough to take the bait. I have never been one who is into conspiracy theories but believe that North Korea's continued missile launches and Syria's recent use of a chemical weapon are deliberate provocations.
"You build your own prisons in this life. You design your own sentences."
Why I'll Never Sympathize with Regretful Trump Voters (http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a53491/regretful-trump-voters/)
Quote from: Exterminator on April 06, 2017, 09:42:03 AM
I'm starting to understand why Putin was so interested in seeing Trump get into the White House. I think Russia and China are working together to try to draw the U.S. into a war and Putin understands that Trump is just unstable enough to take the bait. I have never been one who is into conspiracy theories but believe that North Korea's continued missile launches and Syria's recent use of a chemical weapon are deliberate provocations.
I'm hoping the other two members of the 'Football' team have the sense and wherewithal to "Just Say No!" if the Nutbag in Chief decides to do something really stupid.
Otherwise, IMHO, we cannot win a ground war with either China or Russia - or practically any country with a large army.
We've wasted too much money and equipment and far too many people over the past decade and a half or so to engage in another ground war.
We don't have the manufacturing capacity to support a ground war.
We would be left resorting to nukes - and from there, all bets are off worldwide.
Quote from: Y on April 06, 2017, 05:45:42 PM
I'm hoping the other two members of the 'Football' team have the sense and wherewithal to "Just Say No!" if the Nutbag in Chief decides to do something really stupid.
Otherwise, IMHO, we cannot win a ground war with either China or Russia - or practically any country with a large army.
We've wasted too much money and equipment and far too many people over the past decade and a half or so to engage in another ground war.
We don't have the manufacturing capacity to support a ground war.
We would be left resorting to nukes - and from there, all bets are off worldwide.
Hum, wonder who's fault that is. Sure ain't Bush's fault.
Quote from: me on April 06, 2017, 07:29:01 PM
Hum, wonder who's fault that is. Sure ain't Bush's fault.
It's not Obama's fault either if that's what you're getting at.
Remember why? I'll bet you don't. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on April 06, 2017, 07:34:51 PM
It's not Obama's fault either if that's what you're getting at.
Remember why? I'll bet you don't. :wink:
I guess it was Clinton that signed NAFTA. Of course all the regulations piled on our manufactures didn't help.
Quote from: me on April 06, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
I guess it was Clinton that signed NAFTA. Of course all the regulations piled on our manufactures didn't help.
Clueless. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on April 06, 2017, 07:56:41 PM
Clueless. :rolleyes:
Well it certainly wasn't Bush's fault.
Quote from: me on April 06, 2017, 08:14:35 PM
Well it certainly wasn't Bush's fault.
No it isn't. The problem is that you're on here spewing about things you know nothing about. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on April 06, 2017, 08:16:34 PM
No it isn't. The problem is that you're on here spewing about things you know nothing about. :wink:
Not really I just get tired of the same old talking points ya'll use. Trump is being tested pure and simple. They're testing him to see if he's a ***** or if he won't be screwed with. I just hope the last administration didn't take our military too far down like Clinton did.
Quote from: me on April 06, 2017, 08:20:50 PM
Not really I just get tired of the same old talking points ya'll use. Trump is being tested pure and simple. They're testing him to see if he's a ***** or if he won't be screwed with. I just hope the last administration didn't take our military too far down like Clinton did.
Clueless. You've yet to tell me why military funding has been cut.
Here's a clue. It goes back to 2011, and it is neither Bush's nor Obama's fault.
Quote from: me on April 06, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
I guess it was Clinton that signed NAFTA. Of course all the regulations piled on our manufactures didn't help.
You are partly right, NAFTA was not George W. fault, it was daddy Bush's fault. It was George H (42) who got the president of Mexico and the Prime Minister of Canada together to plan NAFTA. After !00% of the Republicans and a few Democrats voted for the law and the best president that the Republicans ever had, Bill Clinton who sign the bill. :mad: You know the large sucking sound of the jobs leaving America. Yep, you don't know shit about anything. :doh: :doh: :doh:
Quote from: The Troll on April 07, 2017, 04:16:16 PM
After !00% of the Republicans and a few Democrats voted for the law
WRONG ANSWER!!
132 republicans said yes.............43 said no
102 democrats said yes (Including Nancy Pelosi) and 150 said no.
34 republican senators said yes and 27 democrats said yes....
So again, (for those of you playing at home).......Mr. Troll.....you don't know sh!t about anything....(http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/rotfl.gif)
Quote from: me on April 06, 2017, 07:53:06 PM
I guess it was Clinton that signed NAFTA. Of course all the regulations piled on our manufactures didn't help.
Yep, Clinton sign the bill, but it was voted for by 100% of the Republicans in both houses. How about that ClaraBell, the clown. :jester: :razz: :trustme:
(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170221082557-president-trump-pm-abe-golf-0211-exlarge-169.jpg)
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Trump is now on a course to outspend in one year what Obama spent on vacations and security during his entire eight year presidency. Again, where is the outrage from the hypocrites who constantly criticized Obama and who now support Trump?
Crickets...
He isn't on vacation and YOU know it. (snowflake)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 11, 2017, 12:29:28 PM
He isn't on vacation and YOU know it. (snowflake)
You're so full of shit you draw flies. (and I've got your snowflake right here)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 11, 2017, 12:29:28 PM
He isn't on vacation and YOU know it. (snowflake)
He's on pace to exceed the cost of Obama's 8 years of trips within 4 years. . . He's just as much on vacation as Obama was. . .
You're giving the Cheetoh 4 whole years to do that? He may do it in one. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on April 12, 2017, 09:04:20 AM
You're giving the Cheetoh 4 whole years to do that? He may do it in one. :yes:
Especially once the weather breaks for a sustained period and he ramps up his weekly vacation schedule! :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on April 12, 2017, 01:23:13 AM
He's on pace to exceed the cost of Obama's 8 years of trips within 4 years. . . He's just as much on vacation as Obama was. . .
I'm sure it's cheaper to fly to Fl than Hawaii or oversease.
Quote from: me on April 12, 2017, 11:20:58 AM
I'm sure it's cheaper to fly to Fl than Hawaii or oversease.
Really? That's all you've got?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 11, 2017, 12:36:01 PM
(and I've got your snowflake right here)
thats about right...
Quote from: Palehorse on April 12, 2017, 11:16:02 AM
Especially once the weather breaks for a sustained period and he ramps up his weekly vacation schedule! :mad:
He's already coming back to Palm Beach again this weekend.
Quote from: Locutus on April 12, 2017, 02:09:33 PM
He's already coming back to Palm Beach again this weekend.
How many meetings did Obama have on his vacations? I do believe they were mostly family vacations and golf outings with no meetings at all.
Quote from: me on April 12, 2017, 03:16:28 PM
How many meetings did Obama have on his vacations? I do believe they were mostly family vacations and golf outings with no meetings at all.
OMG, can you become more stupid :me: You certainly have you're head up your ass. Shit for brains :me:
Quote from: me on April 12, 2017, 11:20:58 AM
I'm sure it's cheaper to fly to Fl than Hawaii or oversease.
He didn't go to Hawaii or overseas every weekend, idiot.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 13, 2017, 10:27:33 AM
He didn't go to Hawaii or overseas every weekend, idiot.
I didn't say he did, idiot.
Quote from: me on April 13, 2017, 01:32:31 PM
I didn't say he did, idiot.
For fuck sake, did you even bother to read the article I linked to before you started running your jib? It details the costs to the taxpayers of Trump's perpetual vacation. This is not conjecture, it is fact and, if he continues to spend money at the rate he has been, he will, in one year, outspend what Obama did in eight. Are you seriously so ignorant that this doesn't bother you?
And stop blowing smoke up our asses about these being working trips. He not only has not accomplished anything, he has either failed at or walked back every single campaign promise he made.
What will it take before you morons admit you've been had?
Jeezus! The motherfucker is planning a preemptive strike against North Korea if they conduct a nuclear test which is believed to be imminent.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-launch-strike-if-north-korea-reaches-nuclear-n746366
Ex, remember what you said about a possible nuclear war?
Donald Trump doesn't deserve to be anywhere near nuclear codes, war plans, or anything like that, just as Hillary Clinton stated. :mad:
:icon_evil:
Quote from: Locutus on April 13, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
Jeezus! The motherfucker is planning a preemptive strike against North Korea if they conduct a nuclear test which is believed to be imminent.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-may-launch-strike-if-north-korea-reaches-nuclear-n746366
Ex, remember what you said about a possible nuclear war?
Donald Trump doesn't deserve to be anywhere near nuclear codes, war plans, or anything like that, just as Hillary Clinton stated.
:spooked: Somebody please begin impeachment proceedings!
Quote from: Locutus on April 13, 2017, 07:44:44 PM
Ex, remember what you said about a possible nuclear war?
I do indeed and things are about to get interesting. Hopefully China will step in and take care of this.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 14, 2017, 01:33:25 PM
I do indeed and things are about to get interesting. Hopefully China will step in and take care of this.
It is truly scary, especially so for me, for I grew up reading science fiction written by real scientists, and the consequences they described were so awful .... :spooked: :eek: :no:
http://istrumpatmaralago.org
The above website was set up to tell you at a glance whether Trump is currently at Mar-a-Lago, as well as the mounting costs of his visits. It also compares those costs against costs of government programs that Trump wants to cut.
I'm not sure how precise their numbers are, because as far as I can tell, they don't come from the GAO, but you get the gist of what's being pointed out here. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on April 15, 2017, 07:46:32 AM
http://istrumpatmaralago.org
The above website was set up to tell you at a glance whether Trump is currently at Mar-a-Lago, as well as the mounting costs of his visits. It also compares those costs against costs of government programs that Trump wants to cut.
I'm not sure how precise their numbers are, because as far as I can tell, they don't come from the GAO, but you get the gist of what's being pointed out here. ;D
There is one thing to be said, everything that Trump said while he was running for president was a LIE! Old Flip Flop Man. :food2: :island: :island: :island: :island: :island: How many trips can we stand $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that he takes to Floridaf every weekend. :doh:
Patriots Call Out New York Times for Pushing Fake News Over White House Turnout
News Commentary
By Alexa | Contributor | April 20, 2017 3:47AM
How far is the New York Times willing to go to trash President Donald Trump with fake news? At least a football field.
The latest example of the media rushing to troll Trump only to fall flat on their faces and be exposed came out of the New England Patriots visit to the White House to commemorate their Super Bowl win this year.
President Trump hosted his friends Patriots Owner Bob Kraft and Head Coach Bill Belichick along with many other players, coaches and staff members. MVP Quarterback Tom Brady wasn't able to make the trip due to unspecified "personal family matters" (we do know his mom is battling cancer), but he sent a nice note thanking Trump for his support, "Thank you to the President for hosting this honorary celebration and for supporting our team for as long as I can remember."
Bizarrely, President Trump did not say Brady's name during his congratulatory speech. Brady also did not attend the White House ceremony Obama hosted when the Patriots won in 2015.
And it was that 2015 White House visit that tripped the New York Times up. They tweeted this picture comparing "Patriots' turnout" for Obama and Trump:
I can only imagine the glee that tweet was posted with, the NYT thinking they had embarrassed Trump with that picture comparison. You can also tell by the tens of thousands of likes and retweets that liberals loved it, too.
The only problem? The pictures aren't comparable!
The Patriots themselves had to go to Twitter to set the record straight:
The Obama picture was a posed photo op with the whole team contingent, while the Trump picture was taken when Trump was still speaking and many team staffers were still sitting in the audience listening.
Here's the posed team photo the New York Times (if they cared about integrity and not just smearing the president) should have compared the 2015 Obama photo to:
Interesting... looks like there were more people at this year's event than in 2015 – but that doesn't fit the narrative the NYT wanted to tell.
The Patriots say a better comparison would be with the last time they won two Super Bowls in three years, in 2004 under President George W. Bush. In 2015, it was the Patriots' first Super Bowl in 10 years so it was most players' first win and first opportunity to visit the White House.
Of course, by the time the truth was out there it was too late, the liberal mainstream media and alt left (who rooted against the Pats) had already run with the fake news, made it the big story to come out of the event, then moved on.
The good news is that the Patriots won the Super Bowl and Trump won the election and as much as the left hates it, no amount of fake news can change those facts.
http://thepoliticalinsider.com/patriots-white-house-call-out-new-york-times-pushing-fake-news/
Wonder where the Raging Cheeto is golfing at this weekend? :rolleyes: :mad:
Ever since Trump has been elected, I wake up every morning wondering what the asshole has pulled off or what war had he got us into. Also how he has screwed the American Middle Class again. :doh: :rant:
I can't wait until this fat fuck dies so I can piss on his grave.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/trump-awards-purple-heart/2017/04/22/ff32f4fa-2796-11e7-928e-3624539060e8_video.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/trump-awards-purple-heart/2017/04/22/ff32f4fa-2796-11e7-928e-3624539060e8_video.html)
Quote from: Exterminator on April 23, 2017, 06:00:35 PM
I can't wait until this fat fuck dies so I can piss on his grave.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/trump-awards-purple-heart/2017/04/22/ff32f4fa-2796-11e7-928e-3624539060e8_video.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/trump-awards-purple-heart/2017/04/22/ff32f4fa-2796-11e7-928e-3624539060e8_video.html)
Congratulations? For what? On losing your leg? For possibly having PTSD? What an ass. :mad:
Quote from: AbbyTC on April 24, 2017, 07:22:09 PM
Congratulations? For what? On losing your leg? For possibly having PTSD? What an ass. :mad:
The world is becoming chock-full of asses. . . And this nation put one the biggest in the White House. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Thank you for your courage and sacrifices would have been nice. To him and his family!
He never even shook his hand.
Quote from: libby on April 25, 2017, 10:51:28 PM
:mad: What a jerk!
I recall traveling abroad some years ago, (pre-9/11 years), and having several conversations with people in various countries surrounding why there was a growing dislike of Americans in general. The prevailing response always took the position that Americans were perceived as brash, brazen, and downright rude. . . (These conversations took place in the homes of the subjects, where I was their invited guest, and were always predicated by commentary toward me stating I am not a typical American in their view. . .)
It would appear the Raging Cheeto is that perception personified. :mad: :mad: :mad:
I'd love to go back to those locations and ask those same individuals what they feel about Americans today. . . But I'm afraid I would not survive to report back on the subject. :spooked:
The world is a dangerous place that America used to try to make safer for all. It is now a dangerous place that America desires to make worse. . . :mad:
Yesterday on Morning Joe, host Joe Scarborough "reacted to a statement by Doris Kearns that Trump lives in the moment."
"My mother lives in the moment, too. And I'm not saying that Donald Trump has dementia, but my mother has dementia. She lives in the moment. She forgets what she said a day ago, a week ago. We can't have presidents that do that and I'm not saying that he has dementia. I will leave that to his physician to figure that out."
Joe's co-host Mika said "something is wrong and to the point that you can't even have a bigger debate." She called him "nonsensical" and pointed out that Republican congressmen have to keep this in mind as they make decisions about what to support."
(Both Joe and Mika said they'd known Trump for a long time.)
Here's more about our POTUS, by George Will, today's Washington Post.
(I like what Will does with the English language. Makes me stop and think. )
Trump has a dangerous disability
By George F. Will Opinion writer May 3 at 7:36 PM
It is urgent for Americans to think and speak clearly about President Trump's inability to do either. This seems to be not a mere disinclination but a disability. It is not merely the result of intellectual sloth but of an untrained mind bereft of information and married to stratospheric self-confidence.
In February, acknowledging Black History Month, Trump said that "Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who's done an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I notice." Because Trump is syntactically challenged, it was possible and tempting to see this not as a historical howler about a man who died 122 years ago, but as just another of Trump's verbal fender benders, this one involving verb tenses.
Now, however, he has instructed us that Andrew Jackson was angry about the Civil War that began 16 years after Jackson's death. Having, let us fancifully imagine, considered and found unconvincing William Seward's 1858 judgment that the approaching Civil War was "an irrepressible conflict," Trump says:
"People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"
Library shelves groan beneath the weight of books asking questions about that war's origins, so who, one wonders, are these "people" who don't ask the questions that Trump evidently thinks have occurred to him uniquely? Presumably they are not the astute "lot of," or at least "some," people Trump referred to when speaking about his February address to a joint session of Congress: "A lot of people have said that, some people said it was the single best speech ever made in that chamber." Which demotes Winston Churchill, among many others.
What is most alarming (and mortifying to the University of Pennsylvania, from which he graduated) is not that Trump has entered his eighth decade unscathed by even elementary knowledge about the nation's history. As this column has said before, the problem isn't that he does not know this or that, or that he does not know that he does not know this or that. Rather, the dangerous thing is that he does not know what it is to know something.
The United States is rightly worried that a strange and callow leader controls North Korea's nuclear arsenal. North Korea should reciprocate this worry. Yes, a 70-year-old can be callow if he speaks as sophomorically as Trump did when explaining his solution to Middle Eastern terrorism: "I would bomb the s--- out of them. . . . I'd blow up the pipes, I'd blow up the refineries, I'd blow up every single inch, there would be nothing left."
As a candidate, Trump did not know what the nuclear triad is. Asked about it, he said: "We have to be extremely vigilant and extremely careful when it comes to nuclear. Nuclear changes the whole ballgame." Invited to elaborate, he said: "I think — I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me." Someone Trump deemed fit to be a spokesman for him appeared on television to put a tasty dressing on her employer's word salad: "What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you're afraid to use it?" To which a retired Army colonel appearing on the same program replied with amazed asperity: "The point of the nuclear triad is to be afraid to use the damn thing."
[Trump has been sued. Here's why the Justice Department shouldn't represent him.]
As president-elect, Trump did not know the pedigree and importance of the one-China policy. About such things he can be, if he is willing to be, tutored. It is, however, too late to rectify this defect: He lacks what T.S. Eliot called a sense "not only of the pastness of the past, but of its presence." His fathomless lack of interest in America's path to the present and his limitless gullibility leave him susceptible to being blown about by gusts of factoids that cling like lint to a disorderly mind.
Americans have placed vast military power at the discretion of this mind, a presidential discretion that is largely immune to restraint by the Madisonian system of institutional checks and balances. So, it is up to the public to quarantine this presidency by insistently communicating to its elected representatives a steady, rational fear of this man whose combination of impulsivity and credulity render him uniquely unfit to take the nation into a military conflict.
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:rolleyes:
This isn't really about Trump, but
for those who didn't see it, tonight former President Barack Obama received the Profiles in Courage award. His acceptance speech was a bit long, but was a real class act compared to Donald Trump. Another class act: James Taylor playing and singing ... :smitten: way too short.
Did anyone besides me watch the testimony of former Acting Attorney General Sally Yates and former DIA Director of National Intelligence General Clapper yesterday? I could not tear myself away.
After what Trump pulled today, firing the FBI director. All I got to say is Trump is one hell of a Son of a bitch. :rant:
Stay tuned! Things may get real pretty quick. Although the FBI director serves at the pleasure of the president, this president isn't above the law.
Nothing screams innocence like firing the person investigating you! :biggrin:
:yes:
:biggrin:
This administration is the most corrupt to come down the pike since Nixon, and possibly the most inept to come down the pike ever.
Quote from: Locutus on May 10, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
This administration is the most corrupt to come down the pike since Nixon, and possibly the most inept to come down the pike ever.
I have tried for probably an hour to write something, but get so angry when I think about Trump :rant: that I will just say this: I think he unwittingly did FBI Director Comey a favor by firing him. It's a great example of what he does when he finds someone who can't be bought.
Hum, seems like only a week or so ago the dems were wanting Comey fired and now they're bitching about it.
Quote from: Locutus on May 10, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
This administration is the most corrupt to come down the pike since Nixon, and possibly the most inept to come down the pike ever.
Since you brought it up........it is my firm belief that our news media (such as MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, NY Times) is extremely corrupt and presents a clear and present danger to our republic. I think most of the democrat party is corrupt...(such Schummer and Pelosi)
Those guys were screaming at the top of their lungs for Comey to go away back in November.... they are hypocrites who are INDEED, bought and paid for....
Harry Reid not too long ago was asked on MSNBC if Comey should resign....his reply was "Of course."
Bernie Sanders said in January that "Comey acted in an outrageous way."....."it would not be a bad thing for the American people if he did step down."
Chuckie Schumer back in November of last year stated........."I do not have confidence in him any longer," and said Comey's decision on Clinton was... "appalling"!
Pelosi stated that Comey is NOT the right person for the job, when things wasn't going the democrats way.......
What Changed?
It is the the corrupt demagoguing, ideologicalical, hypocritical, pieces of shit democrat POLITICIANS, who LOST the f'ing election and they can't deal with it!
Asswipes like Colbert who is so outraged by the loss in Nov that he pouts and spews hatred and tries to convinces his mindless followers with lies and utter non-sense.
It is the condescending attitudes of snowflake liberals who can't deal with reality that is influencing riots at places like Berkley so they can "silence" those with differing opinions....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 11, 2017, 01:13:06 PM
Since you brought it up........it is my firm belief that our news media (such as MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, NY Times) is extremely corrupt and presents a clear and present danger to our republic. I think most of the democrat party is corrupt...(such Schummer and Pelosi)
Those guys were screaming at the top of their lungs for Comey to go away back in November.... they are hypocrites who are INDEED, bought and paid for....
Harry Reid not too long ago was asked on MSNBC if Comey should resign....his reply was "Of course."
Bernie Sanders said in January that "Comey acted in an outrageous way."....."it would not be a bad thing for the American people if he did step down."
Chuckie Schumer back in November of last year stated........."I do not have confidence in him any longer," and said Comey's decision on Clinton was... "appalling"!
Pelosi stated that Comey is NOT the right person for the job, when things wasn't going the democrats way.......
What Changed?
It is the the corrupt demagoguing, ideologicalical, hypocritical, pieces of shit democrat POLITICIANS, who LOST the f'ing election and they can't deal with it!
Asswipes like Colbert who is so outraged by the loss in Nov that he pouts and spews hatred and tries to convinces his mindless followers with lies and utter non-sense.
It is the condescending attitudes of snowflake liberals who can't deal with reality that is influencing riots at places like Berkley so they can "silence" those with differing opinions....
All I got to say to you Birdie, you're fucking crazy. :dizzy2: :wacko: :mama: :grin2:
Quote from: The Troll on May 11, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
All I got to say to you Birdie, you're fucking crazy. :dizzy2: :wacko: :mama: :grin2:
I may very well be Troll, but no more crazier than those lying POS I just talked about. They are flat out being hypocrites and YOU cannot deny that. They wanted Comey GONE when it was in their favor, but NOW they don't..........the bottom line is they are going to do everything they can to disagree with the POTUS despite the facts.
Trump kicked their ass and they will never let it go....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 11, 2017, 01:13:06 PM
Since you brought it up........it is my firm belief that our news media (such as MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, NY Times) is extremely corrupt and presents a clear and present danger to our republic. I think most of the democrat party is corrupt...(such Schummer and Pelosi)
Those guys were screaming at the top of their lungs for Comey to go away back in November.... they are hypocrites who are INDEED, bought and paid for....
Harry Reid not too long ago was asked on MSNBC if Comey should resign....his reply was "Of course."
Bernie Sanders said in January that "Comey acted in an outrageous way."....."it would not be a bad thing for the American people if he did step down."
Chuckie Schumer back in November of last year stated........."I do not have confidence in him any longer," and said Comey's decision on Clinton was... "appalling"!
Pelosi stated that Comey is NOT the right person for the job, when things wasn't going the democrats way.......
What Changed?
It is the the corrupt demagoguing, ideologicalical, hypocritical, pieces of shit democrat POLITICIANS, who LOST the f'ing election and they can't deal with it!
Asswipes like Colbert who is so outraged by the loss in Nov that he pouts and spews hatred and tries to convinces his mindless followers with lies and utter non-sense.
It is the condescending attitudes of snowflake liberals who can't deal with reality that is influencing riots at places like Berkley so they can "silence" those with differing opinions....
Sucks don't it? When dems start running the gop playbook from the last 9 years. . . 😜
Quote from: Palehorse on May 12, 2017, 10:25:27 AM
Sucks don't it? When dems start running the gop playbook from the last 9 years. . . 😜
Except the Dems have the most vile and corrupt media behind them.... :yes:
I don't think the media is overtly corrupt. The corporations behind them these days most certainly have their own interests at heart, but I don't think the rank and file employees are.
Here's a question for you Hank.
Do you think Trump routinely lies, or lies to create his own reality of any given situation?
Quote from: The Troll on May 11, 2017, 02:40:25 PM
All I got to say to you Birdie, you're fucking crazy. :dizzy2: :wacko: :mama: :grin2:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 11, 2017, 05:35:08 PM
I may very well be Troll, but no more crazier than those lying POS I just talked about. They are flat out being hypocrites and YOU cannot deny that. They wanted Comey GONE when it was in their favor, but NOW they don't..........the bottom line is they are going to do everything they can to disagree with the POTUS despite the facts.
Trump kicked their ass and they will never let it go....
You, Hank, like a lot of others, don't have a clue. Trump is ruthless, and I would guess right now, desperate. So, using his power as POTUS, he fired the person (FBI Director Comey) who was leading an investigation into Trump's involvement with the Russians.
As for Comey, what do you do when your boss, who happens to be the POTUS, asks you to sign something professing your loyalty to him? Agreed it was hard to understand just what Comey was doing when he made statements that seemed to indicate he was at least partly responsible for Hillary Clinton losing the election to Trump :spooked:
I would guess Trump got to Comey, the FBI Director, before the 'last chance dinner' that led to Comey being fired.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 12, 2017, 04:27:39 PM
Except the Dems have the most vile and corrupt media behind them.... :yes:
Again, sucks don't it?
Fact is they're no worse now than they were the 8 years of president Obamas terms, and the preceding 2 years. And they continue to serve the interests of their ownership. . .
Quote from: Locutus on May 12, 2017, 06:53:43 PM
I don't think the media is overtly corrupt. The corporations behind them these days most certainly have their own interests at heart, but I don't think the rank and file employees are.
Here's a question for you Hank.
Do you think Trump routinely lies, or lies to create his own reality of any given situation?
No
Quote from: Palehorse on May 13, 2017, 12:39:22 AM
Again, sucks don't it?
Fact is they're no worse now than they were the 8 years of president Obamas terms, and the preceding 2 years. And they continue to serve the interests of their ownership. . .
Yes, they are. They are nearly silent on the rioting and the violent crap that is going on. If if wasn't for Fox News reporting some of this, it would go by unnoticed
.
Apr. 15, 2017 Protest Demanding Release of Trump Tax Returns:
Summary: A crowd of about 200 people were at a park in Berkeley when violence broke out during a rally demanding President Trump release his full IRS returns.
Total Arrests: 23
Description of Charges: Police said the charges include arrests for assault with a deadly weapon and several other felony assaults.
Total Injuries: 11, including one person who was stabbed, police said.
Feb. 1, 2017 Yiannopoulos Protest:
Summary: Masked agitators who threw rocks and set fires during a Feb. 1 [2017] campus protest against alt-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, leading to the cancellation of his 8 p.m. show at UC Berkeley's Pauley Ballroom.
Total Arrests: 1
Total Injuries: At least 6 individuals were treated by police
Total Damage: $100,000 (Approximate)
Mar. 4, 2017 Counter-Protest to March 4 Trump (Pro-Trump) Rally:
Summary: A March 4th Trump rally involved Trump supporters marching several blocks in Berkeley, California but supporters were met by a group of counter-demonstrators, and fights broke out.
Total Arrests: At least 10.
Arrest Descriptions & Breakdown: Resisting arrest (1), assault with a deadly weapon (4), including a dagger, battery (5). Among the other items police confiscated at the rally were metal pipes, bats and two-by-fours
Injuries: Approximately seven medical evaluations were made on the scene. None of the injured wanted to be taken to the hospital.
Damages: Unknown – media reporting does not indicate any property damage.
But yet most of the main stream media didn't report this crap...
The level of hatred is alarming......There was NEVER this kind of outright hatred and disrespect towards Obama....not even remotely close.
Quote from: Locutus on May 12, 2017, 06:53:43 PM
I don't think the media is overtly corrupt. The corporations behind them these days most certainly have their own interests at heart, but I don't think the rank and file employees are.
Here's a question for you Hank.
Do you think Trump routinely lies, or lies to create his own reality of any given situation?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 13, 2017, 07:25:12 AM
No
I think Trump routinely lies and creates his own reality. And, there might be more. The following is especially :spooked: because the person speaking is Joe Scarborough, republican and former congressman:
Scarborough Compares Trump Remarks to Someone With Dementia(MSNBC/"Morning Joe")
By Joe Crowe | Tuesday, 02 May 2017 08:02 AM
President Donald Trump's recent statements sound like someone who has dementia, MSNBC's "Morning Joe" co-host Joe Scarborough said Tuesday.
"It was really shocking... he was mumbling, rambling around, incoherent, and then just sort of quit talking, walked off," Scarborough said.
Trump on Sunday abruptly ended an interview with CBS' John Dickerson after being asked about his claim that former President Barack Obama wiretapped Trump Tower during the presidential campaign.
"Morning Joe's" panel on Tuesday also noted Trump's comments about the Civil War, in which the commander in chief questioned why that war was not avoided.
"My mother had dementia for 10 years," Scarborough said. "That sounds like the sort of thing my mother would say today...it's beyond the realm, and I'm not trying to be anything here but very direct. That's something that a 5-year-old might ask.
"He doesn't seem to remember what he said just five minutes ago," Scarborough continued.
"That's not anything that any grown-up that I've ever been around in my entire life would ever let pass from their lips, because that has been the central question of how did America begin," he added.
Co-host Mika Brzezinski said she worried that no one in the White House could rein Trump in because "he's blithering right and left, and I can only imagine that his staff is sitting there with their head in their hands, because no one can stop him."
Historian Jon Meacham, also on the show's panel, compared Trump to a pinball machine.
"He's just this steel ball that hits something, the bells go off and he bounces off and hits something else, and that's not the most reassuring image you want in a nuclear age at the highest levels," Meacham said.
Transcripts of Trump's recent interviews are "disturbing," panelist Mike Barnicle added and a president's ability to communicate is important.
"The employment of language for a president is one of the most vital aspects of the presidency," said Barnicle.
"It's very upsetting, kind of depressing, to read the transcripts of this particular president as he rambles on anecdotally, ad libs about things that are critical to the future of this country."
Joe Scarborough is a liberal political hack.
Quote from: libby on May 12, 2017, 11:21:40 PM
You, Hank, like a lot of others, don't have a clue. Trump is ruthless, and I would guess right now, desperate. So, using his power as POTUS, he fired the person (FBI Director Comey) who was leading an investigation into Trump's involvement with the Russians.
As for Comey, what do you do when your boss, who happens to be the POTUS, asks you to sign something professing your loyalty to him? Agreed it was hard to understand just what Comey was doing when he made statements that seemed to indicate he was at least partly responsible for Hillary Clinton losing the election to Trump :spooked:
I would guess Trump got to Comey, the FBI Director, before the 'last chance dinner' that led to Comey being fired.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 15, 2017, 08:18:47 AM
Joe Scarborough is a liberal political hack.
He is a republican and not one of my favorite people; however, he's got Mika, a democrat, as a co-host, and, he knows how to get to all the right people in D.C. (check out the MJ guest list one of these mornings). Here's a short Joe bio from Wikipedia:
"In addition to being current co-host of Morning Joe on MSNBC, he was previously a lawyer and politician, and served in the U.S. House of Representatives. He was named in the
2011 Time 100 as one of the most influential people in the world."
Quote from: libby on May 15, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
He is a republican and not one of my favorite people; however, he's got Mika, a democrat, as a co-host, and, he knows how to get to all the right people in D.C. (check out the MJ guest list one of these mornings). Here's a short Joe bio from Wikipedia:
"In addition to being current co-host of Morning Joe on MSNBC, he was previously a lawyer and politician, and served in the U.S. House of Representatives. He was named in the 2011 Time 100 as one of the most influential people in the world."
I know he was a "republican congressman" but he is STILL a political hack.....getting paid very, very good by MSNBC, to spew crap.
:rolleyes: Stay tuned. Your hero (Trump) is in the news again. This time The Washington Post has revealed that when he met with Russians here a few days ago (in the Oval Office) he got to bragging and ?inadvertently revealed classified information that could be :spooked: :eek: very damaging. Nobody knew the Russians were in his office until photos they took were published on the internet (by the Russians).
Quote from: libby on May 15, 2017, 11:05:01 PM
:rolleyes: Stay tuned. Your hero (Trump) is in the news again. This time The Washington Post has revealed that when he met with Russians here a few days ago (in the Oval Office) he got to bragging and ?inadvertently revealed classified information that could be :spooked: :eek: very damaging. Nobody knew the Russians were in his office until photos they took were published on the internet (by the Russians).
And they know this how since they weren't there?
Quote from: libby on May 15, 2017, 11:05:01 PM
:rolleyes: Stay tuned. Your hero (Trump) is in the news again. This time The Washington Post has revealed that when he met with Russians here a few days ago (in the Oval Office) he got to bragging and ?inadvertently revealed classified information that could be :spooked: :eek: very damaging. Nobody knew the Russians were in his office until photos they took were published on the internet (by the Russians).
Well, our national security adviser H.R. McMaster, claims it is false. Once again, more fake news.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 16, 2017, 08:24:00 AM
Well, our national security adviser H.R. McMaster, claims it is false. Once again, more fake news.
Really?
Trump himself said it was true just this morning. :rolleyes:
How long are you going to keep blinders on Hank?
How long can you keep defending this complete incompetence that you and others like you have imposed upon the country?
Surely you can't be as stupid and blind as you appear to be here.
As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism. -- @realDonaldTrump
Fake news my ass. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on May 16, 2017, 09:10:38 AM
As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism. -- @realDonaldTrump
Fake news my ass. :rolleyes:
Yes, he did share info with them but it was info that needed shared and from the sounds of it it had to do with trying to make things safer for us and everyone else since it involved terrorism. If he had shared actual "classified" info why would he then tell on himself?
Quote from: me on May 16, 2017, 09:50:39 AM
Yes, he did share info with them but it was info that needed shared and from the sounds of it it had to do with trying to make things safer for us and everyone else since it involved terrorism. If he had shared actual "classified" info why would he then tell on himself?
:rolleyes:
When are you people going to open your fucking eyes?
Quote from: Locutus on May 16, 2017, 09:08:25 AM
Surely you can't be as stupid and blind as you appear to be here.
Sure they can. They prove it regularly. They're also un-American. Clapper said over the weekend that our American institutions are being eroded from the outside by the Russians and from the inside by the Trump administration and he's right. It is a coordinated attack and these people don't give a fuck.
Interesting how the same people who claimed that Hillary's alleged mishandling of emails could have resulted in the Russians having access to classified information are defending Trump for handing it to them.
Quote from: Locutus on May 16, 2017, 09:57:54 AM
:rolleyes:
When are you people going to open your fucking eyes?
No, when are you going to open your eyes?
Quote from: me on May 16, 2017, 09:50:39 AM
Yes, he did share info with them but it was info that needed shared and from the sounds of it it had to do with trying to make things safer for us and everyone else since it involved terrorism. If he had shared actual "classified" info why would he then tell on himself?
Sharing classified info with a country that practices military operations deemed aggressive by EVERY other country in the world daily, is stupidity defined. And treasonous. Especially without the agreement of congress beforehand.
The Raging Cheeto clearly feels he is above the laws of this nation. He inches closer toward a dictatorship every day. 😡😡😡
He betrayed the confidentiality of an allied nation further shattering diplomacy.
If President Obama had done anything close to this you and your ilk would have been screaming to the heavens for his head!
Hypocrites!
Of course it was another anonymous source they got their info from. :rolleyes:
http://wishtv.com/2017/05/15/report-trump-shared-secret-info-about-is-with-russians/
Report: Trump shared secret info about IS with Russians
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Published: May 15, 2017, 6:44 pm Updated: May 15, 2017, 7:01 pm
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This handout photo released by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, shows President Donald Trump meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, Wednesday, May 10, 2017. The Washington Post is reporting that Trump revealed highly classified information about Islamic State militants to Russian officials during a meeting at the White House last week. The newspaper cites current and former U.S. officials who say Trump jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on IS in his conversations with the Russian foreign minister and the Russian ambassador to the U.S. They say Trump offered details about an IS terror threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.(Russian Foreign Ministry via AP)
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump revealed highly classified information about Islamic State militants to Russian officials during a meeting at the White House last week, The Washington Post reported Monday.
The newspaper cited current and former U.S. officials who said Trump shared details about an Islamic State terror threat with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The threat was related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.
The White House denounced the report.
"This story is false. The president only discussed the common threats that both countries faced," said Dina Powell, deputy national security adviser for strategy, who attended the meeting.
National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, who also participated in the meeting, downplayed the report as well.
"The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation," McMaster said. "At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly."
The anonymous officials told the Post that the information Trump relayed during the May 10 meeting had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement. They said it was considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government.
The Post said the intelligence partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russian officials. By doing so, Trump jeopardized cooperation from an ally familiar with the inner workings of the Islamic State group.
Afterward, White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency, the newspaper said.
The CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment Monday evening.
It's unlikely that Trump has broken any law. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets.
Lawmakers from both parties were quick to weigh in.
Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told reporters Monday evening that the Trump White House "has got to do something soon to bring itself under control and order."
He said he would have more to say when he knows more about the news report.
"The shame of it is there's a really good national security team in place and there are good, productive things that are under way through them and through others," Corker said. "But the chaos that is being created by the lack of discipline — it's creating an environment that I think makes — it creates a worrisome environment."
The story prompted Sen. Martin Heinrich, D-N.M., to tweet: "Protip: Don't give the Russians classified information. #Classified101."
Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., tweeted: "If true, this is a slap in the face to the intel community. Risking sources & methods is inexcusable, particularly with the Russians."
You're simply unbelievable. You're defending the indefensible.
Everyone who was actually in the room says WaPo story about Trump revealing classified info to Russians is false
And WaPo didn't reach out to any of them, relying exclusively on anonymous secondhand sources, in reporting the story.
Something really extraordinary has happened in the past 15 hours, and the Washington Post is at the center of it. But contrary to what you're being led to believe, the real scandal here is not President Trump supposedly revealing classified information to the Russians. That may or may not have happened, although I tend to doubt it, and I'm all but certain it didn't happen in the way the Post claims.
The real story here is the Post broke new ground in irresponsible reporting with the way it put together this story. To understand this, you need to know some of the basics of what journalists are taught to do. That will give you context for just how badly the Post strayed from these essential standards of the profession.
First, let's deal with the matter of anonymous sources. What you're taught in journalism school is that sources should be allowed to remain anonymous only under extraordinary circumstances, and if a source is going to be anonymous, he or she must be able to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that the informaion he or she is presenting is true. In this case, the anomymous sources the Post relied upon were - without exception - not in the room when Trump supposedly said what he said. What that leaves us with is the Post's say-so that these people can be trusted, even though they were not eyewitnesses to the event they claimed to describe, and we're not able to assess whether they have axes to grind. For instance, some of them are identified as former national security officials. Oh? Would that mean they were Obama Administration officials? The Post won't tell us, but in order to assess the truthworthiness of the unnamed source, that would be a crucial piece of information.
But what about people who were actually in the room? When an anonymous source gives you information, standard operating procedure for a professional journalist is to try to confirm it with people who actually have direct knowledge, and will speak for attribution - meaning you can use their names in your story.
The Post didn't even try to do that here. They ran with a story using nothing but anonymous sources who were not present in the meeting. That left every single White House official who was present to come forward independently to correct the Post's reporting. There were three of them - Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster and Deputy National Security Advisor Dina Powell. All three say the Post's story is false:
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster and Deputy National Security Adviser Dina Powell have all issued statements saying the report is wrong.
"During President Trump's meeting with Foreign Minister Lavrov a broad range of subjects were discussed among which were common efforts and threats regarding counter-terrorism," Tillerson said. "During that exchange the nature of specific threats were discussed, but they did not discuss sources, methods or military operations."
Powell said in a statement, "This story is false. The president only discussed the common threats that both countries faced."
McMaster told the Washington Post in a statement, "The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation," said H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, who participated in the meeting. "At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed, and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly."
He also addressed the report in a statement to the press outside the White House:
"There is nothing the president takes more seriously than the security of the American people. The story that came out tonight as reported is false," McMaster told reporters. "The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time, at no time, were intelligence sources or methods discussed. And the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known."
McMaster continued, "Two other senior officials who were present, including the Secretary of State, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh anonymous sources. And I was in the room, it didn't happen."
Now, if you want to disbelieve Tillerson, McMaster and Powell, you're free to do so. Maybe you think they have to lie for the boss and because of that you'll dismiss their account. I can't stop you from believing that. But you need to understand this: It bordered on criminal negligence for the Post not to even ask any of them if what their anonymous sources were telling them was true, and to write a headline as if it was a statement of fact that Trump revealed this information without a single person who was in the room confirming that it was true.
Look how extensively the Post relied on people who weren't in a position to know, just in this one passage of the story:
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump's disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information the president relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said Trump's decision to do so endangers cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump's meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency.
"This is code-word information," said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump "revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies."
Now let's break this down. Once we know that they're relying on both current and former officials, we have no idea whether a given quote comes from a current or former official, so we don't know the bias of the person speaking. We also don't know if they're really being honest or accurate in describing just how sensitive this information is, or whether they're in a position to know the things they're claiming about its effect on sources and methods.
The same is true for the details throughout the piece. We don't know who is claiming that Trump ignores the bullet points he's given, or if it's really true that he doesn't understand the nature of classified information. We don't know if the Senate Intelligence Committee has really been briefed (there are conflicting reports on that), and we don't know if it's really a big deal that the NSA and the CIA were contacted after the fact. The Post wants us to think that's extraordinary, and anti-Trump partisans are surely ready to believe it was. But since we're not told what was said in those calls or how the participants viewed the nature of the calls, we really don't know if the way this is being portrayed is the way it actually is.
GDP growth for Obama's final year? A measly 1.6 percent
I don't want to totally dismiss the possibility that Trump made a serious mistake here. But it's impossible to trust that it happened as described by people who were not in the room, not in a position to know and not authorized to talk about it (and in some cases don't even work for the government anymore), when everyone who was in the room says it didn't happen the way the Post claims it did.
And since the Post won't tell us the biases of its own anonymous sources, we can't use that filter to judge the veracity of what they're trying to sell us. We're just supposed to believe that a newspaper that's been looking for any way to damage Donald Trump for more than a year is now totally trustworthy in choosing its sources and fairly representing what they want to sell us.
I do not think so.
https://www.hermancain.com/everyone-who-was-actually-in-the-room-says
Quote from: Locutus on May 16, 2017, 09:08:25 AM
Really?
Trump himself said it was true just this morning. :rolleyes:
How long are you going to keep blinders on Hank?
How long can you keep defending this complete incompetence that you and others like you have imposed upon the country?
Surely you can't be as stupid and blind as you appear to be here.
All Trump has claimed that he shared "facts" about terrorism....and he has every right to do that, he IS the POTUS. What should really bother every one, is WHO is leaking this information to Wash Post?
When are you guys going realize he isn't incompetent like the media has lead you to believe?
You guys didn't give a "flip" about Obama sharing crap with Russia..."After my election I have more flexibility" or Hillary's Uranium deal to Russia...it was crickets.
There's one word that describes what Trump, POTUS of the United States, doesn't seem to understand or have a clue about:
COVERT:
Adjective: Not openly acknowledged or displayed: "Covert operations against the dictatorship ...."
Synonym: secret, furtive, clandestine, surreptitious. -- Merriam-Webster
To put it simply, if you or anyone else, with or without the need to know, knows about such information and passes it on to someone else without implicit (absolute, unquestioning) need to know, it ain't covert no more! :spooked: Big Trouble.
Trump obviously does not have the background, education, and job experience to understand that. He has now, has had people working for him who could guide and keep him out of trouble, but his ego has gotten in the way.
Quote from: libby on May 16, 2017, 12:27:09 PM
There's one word that describes what Trump, POTUS of the United States, doesn't seem to understand or have a clue about:
COVERT:
Adjective: Not openly acknowledged or displayed: "Covert operations against the dictatorship ...."
Synonym: secret, furtive, clandestine, surreptitious. -- Merriam-Webster
To put it simply, if you or anyone else, with or without the need to know, knows about such information and passes it on to someone else without implicit (absolute, unquestioning) need to know, it ain't covert no more! :spooked: Big Trouble.
Trump obviously does not have the background, education, and job experience to understand that. He has now, has had people working for him who could guide and keep him out of trouble, but his ego has gotten in the way.
What???? Do you not understand the story was false which means it didn't happen?
Quote from: me on May 16, 2017, 11:37:54 AM
Everyone who was actually in the room says WaPo story about Trump revealing classified info to Russians is false
And WaPo didn't reach out to any of them, relying exclusively on anonymous secondhand sources, in reporting the story.
Something really extraordinary has happened in the past 15 hours, and the Washington Post is at the center of it. But contrary to what you're being led to believe, the real scandal here is not President Trump supposedly revealing classified information to the Russians. That may or may not have happened, although I tend to doubt it, and I'm all but certain it didn't happen in the way the Post claims.
The real story here is the Post broke new ground in irresponsible reporting with the way it put together this story. To understand this, you need to know some of the basics of what journalists are taught to do. That will give you context for just how badly the Post strayed from these essential standards of the profession.
First, let's deal with the matter of anonymous sources. What you're taught in journalism school is that sources should be allowed to remain anonymous only under extraordinary circumstances, and if a source is going to be anonymous, he or she must be able to demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that the informaion he or she is presenting is true. In this case, the anomymous sources the Post relied upon were - without exception - not in the room when Trump supposedly said what he said. What that leaves us with is the Post's say-so that these people can be trusted, even though they were not eyewitnesses to the event they claimed to describe, and we're not able to assess whether they have axes to grind. For instance, some of them are identified as former national security officials. Oh? Would that mean they were Obama Administration officials? The Post won't tell us, but in order to assess the truthworthiness of the unnamed source, that would be a crucial piece of information.
But what about people who were actually in the room? When an anonymous source gives you information, standard operating procedure for a professional journalist is to try to confirm it with people who actually have direct knowledge, and will speak for attribution - meaning you can use their names in your story.
The Post didn't even try to do that here. They ran with a story using nothing but anonymous sources who were not present in the meeting. That left every single White House official who was present to come forward independently to correct the Post's reporting. There were three of them - Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster and Deputy National Security Advisor Dina Powell. All three say the Post's story is false:
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster and Deputy National Security Adviser Dina Powell have all issued statements saying the report is wrong.
"During President Trump's meeting with Foreign Minister Lavrov a broad range of subjects were discussed among which were common efforts and threats regarding counter-terrorism," Tillerson said. "During that exchange the nature of specific threats were discussed, but they did not discuss sources, methods or military operations."
Powell said in a statement, "This story is false. The president only discussed the common threats that both countries faced."
McMaster told the Washington Post in a statement, "The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation," said H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, who participated in the meeting. "At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed, and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly."
He also addressed the report in a statement to the press outside the White House:
"There is nothing the president takes more seriously than the security of the American people. The story that came out tonight as reported is false," McMaster told reporters. "The president and the foreign minister reviewed a range of common threats to our two countries, including threats to civil aviation. At no time, at no time, were intelligence sources or methods discussed. And the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known."
McMaster continued, "Two other senior officials who were present, including the Secretary of State, remember the meeting the same way and have said so. Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh anonymous sources. And I was in the room, it didn't happen."
Now, if you want to disbelieve Tillerson, McMaster and Powell, you're free to do so. Maybe you think they have to lie for the boss and because of that you'll dismiss their account. I can't stop you from believing that. But you need to understand this: It bordered on criminal negligence for the Post not to even ask any of them if what their anonymous sources were telling them was true, and to write a headline as if it was a statement of fact that Trump revealed this information without a single person who was in the room confirming that it was true.
Look how extensively the Post relied on people who weren't in a position to know, just in this one passage of the story:
President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump's disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
The information the president relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.
The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said Trump's decision to do so endangers cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump's meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency.
"This is code-word information," said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump "revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies."
Now let's break this down. Once we know that they're relying on both current and former officials, we have no idea whether a given quote comes from a current or former official, so we don't know the bias of the person speaking. We also don't know if they're really being honest or accurate in describing just how sensitive this information is, or whether they're in a position to know the things they're claiming about its effect on sources and methods.
The same is true for the details throughout the piece. We don't know who is claiming that Trump ignores the bullet points he's given, or if it's really true that he doesn't understand the nature of classified information. We don't know if the Senate Intelligence Committee has really been briefed (there are conflicting reports on that), and we don't know if it's really a big deal that the NSA and the CIA were contacted after the fact. The Post wants us to think that's extraordinary, and anti-Trump partisans are surely ready to believe it was. But since we're not told what was said in those calls or how the participants viewed the nature of the calls, we really don't know if the way this is being portrayed is the way it actually is.
GDP growth for Obama's final year? A measly 1.6 percent
I don't want to totally dismiss the possibility that Trump made a serious mistake here. But it's impossible to trust that it happened as described by people who were not in the room, not in a position to know and not authorized to talk about it (and in some cases don't even work for the government anymore), when everyone who was in the room says it didn't happen the way the Post claims it did.
And since the Post won't tell us the biases of its own anonymous sources, we can't use that filter to judge the veracity of what they're trying to sell us. We're just supposed to believe that a newspaper that's been looking for any way to damage Donald Trump for more than a year is now totally trustworthy in choosing its sources and fairly representing what they want to sell us.
I do not think so.
https://www.hermancain.com/everyone-who-was-actually-in-the-room-says
Quote from: me on May 16, 2017, 10:49:21 AM
Of course it was another anonymous source they got their info from. :rolleyes:
http://wishtv.com/2017/05/15/report-trump-shared-secret-info-about-is-with-russians/
Report: Trump shared secret info about IS with Russians
Associated Press
Published: May 15, 2017, 6:44 pm Updated: May 15, 2017, 7:01 pm
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This handout photo released by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, shows President Donald Trump meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, Wednesday, May 10, 2017. The Washington Post is reporting that Trump revealed highly classified information about Islamic State militants to Russian officials during a meeting at the White House last week. The newspaper cites current and former U.S. officials who say Trump jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on IS in his conversations with the Russian foreign minister and the Russian ambassador to the U.S. They say Trump offered details about an IS terror threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.(Russian Foreign Ministry via AP)
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump revealed highly classified information about Islamic State militants to Russian officials during a meeting at the White House last week, The Washington Post reported Monday.
The newspaper cited current and former U.S. officials who said Trump shared details about an Islamic State terror threat with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. The threat was related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.
The White House denounced the report.
"This story is false. The president only discussed the common threats that both countries faced," said Dina Powell, deputy national security adviser for strategy, who attended the meeting.
National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, who also participated in the meeting, downplayed the report as well.
"The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation," McMaster said. "At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly."
The anonymous officials told the Post that the information Trump relayed during the May 10 meeting had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement. They said it was considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government.
The Post said the intelligence partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russian officials. By doing so, Trump jeopardized cooperation from an ally familiar with the inner workings of the Islamic State group.
Afterward, White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and the National Security Agency, the newspaper said.
The CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment Monday evening.
It's unlikely that Trump has broken any law. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets.
Lawmakers from both parties were quick to weigh in.
Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told reporters Monday evening that the Trump White House "has got to do something soon to bring itself under control and order."
He said he would have more to say when he knows more about the news report.
"The shame of it is there's a really good national security team in place and there are good, productive things that are under way through them and through others," Corker said. "But the chaos that is being created by the lack of discipline — it's creating an environment that I think makes — it creates a worrisome environment."
The story prompted Sen. Martin Heinrich, D-N.M., to tweet: "Protip: Don't give the Russians classified information. #Classified101."
Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., tweeted: "If true, this is a slap in the face to the intel community. Risking sources & methods is inexcusable, particularly with the Russians."
Quote from: Locutus on May 16, 2017, 11:28:37 AM
You're simply unbelievable. You're defending the indefensible.
She's as bat shit crazy as Trump is.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 16, 2017, 12:09:03 PM
When are you guys going realize he isn't incompetent like the media has lead you to believe?
Let's see...should I believe the former Director of National Intelligence or some uneducated clown from Andertucky...such a difficult decision! :biggrin:
Quote...or Hillary's Uranium deal to Russia...it was crickets.
Because it wasn't Hillary's deal at all, liar.
Quote from: me on May 16, 2017, 01:15:28 PM
What???? Do you not understand the story was false which means it didn't happen?
Is there some part of Trump admitting on Twitter this morning that it
did happen difficult for you to wrap your little pea brain around?
Quote from: Exterminator on May 16, 2017, 01:23:21 PM
Is there some part of Trump admitting on Twitter this morning that it did happen difficult for you to wrap your little pea brain around?
What do you not understand about the info wasn't something classified but info about terrorist activities.
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As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining....
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...to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-trump-classified-terrorism-russia-20170516-story.html
Quote from: me on May 16, 2017, 01:53:15 PM
What do you not understand about the info wasn't something classified but info about terrorist activities.
You're like a little kid who sticks her fingers in her ears and yells, "la la la la la la la."
Quote from: Exterminator on May 16, 2017, 01:21:49 PM
Because it wasn't Hillary's deal at all, liar.
Whatever....Bill Clinton received $500,000 from a Moscow bank with ties to the Kremlin....(why didn't you guys scream about this?)...No technically, it wasn't Hillary's deal..........but Uranium One, which "became" in control of Russia, through various "dealings" by our former Sec of State....and amazingly, donations to the Clinton Foundation, BY a Russian investment bank, that has connections directly out of the Kremlin and Uranium One stock...(Funny how MSNBC didn't bother reporting about this!)
Could you imagine the shit hitting the fan if Trump had made such a speech with this connection?
Just MORE hypocrisy by the left.......maybe if you didn't listen to the "fake news" all the time you would understand little things like this.
Give us a break Bunky. Just how long has Bill Clinton been gone. :doh: Try 16 years. :rolleyes: You won Bunky and look what you got. :haha: :haha: :pigdance: Donald Trump, the Supreme Court, and complete control of congress in Washington DC :hogslop:
You won it so forget about Clinton and Obama, just like you forgot George W. Bush. It's all on you and the Republican Party. So be happy. :split: :duo: :sofa: :poop: :koolaid:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 16, 2017, 02:36:38 PM
Whatever....Bill Clinton received $500,000 from a Moscow bank with ties to the Kremlin....(why didn't you guys scream about this?)...No technically, it wasn't Hillary's deal..........but Uranium One, which "became" in control of Russia, through various "dealings" by our former Sec of State....and amazingly, donations to the Clinton Foundation, BY a Russian investment bank, that has connections directly out of the Kremlin and Uranium One stock...(Funny how MSNBC didn't bother reporting about this!)
Could you imagine the shit hitting the fan if Trump had made such a speech with this connection?
Just MORE hypocrisy by the left.......maybe if you didn't listen to the "fake news" all the time you would understand little things like this.
They have accepted the lies and ignored the truths long enough they can't tell the difference. I do believe they've been fully indoctrinated.
Quote from: me on May 16, 2017, 05:01:05 PM
They have accepted the lies and ignored the truths long enough they can't tell the difference. I do believe they've been fully indoctrinated.
Take a look in the mirror if you want to see who has been "fully indoctrinated ". 🙄
Hum, colleges won't allow conservative opinions, the left shuns any musician, actor/actress, restaurant, business in general, people are called names and bullied for having a different opinion, and to me that sounds like a way to indoctrinate by bullying which evidentally has worked on some people. Their big game is saying you're stupid if you think differently than they do and that triggered something in some peoples brain that won't allow them to see past that so they miss the big picture and stay locked in their safe little world where they aren't subject to the bullying and name calling. Look at all the snowflakes and the stupid crap they get insulted by and that's a liberal thing. They've been turned into a bunch of cowering babies and that, unfortunately, may be our future leaders. Scary huh?
From my point of view it is obvious they are blind to their own bias..
Quote from: me on May 16, 2017, 08:03:55 PM
Hum, colleges won't allow conservative opinions, the left shuns any musician, actor/actress, restaurant, business in general, people are called names and bullied for having a different opinion, and to me that sounds like a way to indoctrinate by bullying which evidentally has worked on some people. Their big game is saying you're stupid if you think differently than they do and that triggered something in some peoples brain that won't allow them to see past that so they miss the big picture and stay locked in their safe little world where they aren't subject to the bullying and name calling. Look at all the snowflakes and the stupid crap they get insulted by and that's a liberal thing. They've been turned into a bunch of cowering babies and that, unfortunately, may be our future leaders. Scary huh?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 16, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
From my point of view it is obvious they are blind to their own bias..
Y'all ain't playin' fair. Don't be a'puttin' us down cause we ain't smart like y'all. :confused:
Holy hell. The man does the exact thing Richard Nixon got impeached for and they still think he walks on water.
This country is fuckng doomed!😳
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 16, 2017, 02:36:38 PM
No technically, it wasn't Hillary's deal..........but Uranium One, which "became" in control of Russia, through various "dealings" by our former Sec of State....and amazingly, donations to the Clinton Foundation, BY a Russian investment bank, that has connections directly out of the Kremlin and Uranium One stock...
You should do some real research into this instead of continuing to illustrate to the world what an ignorant, uninformed moron you are.
Quote from: me on May 16, 2017, 08:03:55 PMLook at all the snowflakes and the stupid crap they get insulted by and that's a liberal thing. They've been turned into a bunch of cowering babies and that, unfortunately, may be our future leaders. Scary huh?
LMFAO! Yeah, because that skinny little weasel of a husband of yours is a real man, huh?
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2017, 12:33:47 AM
Holy hell. The man does the exact thing Richard Nixon got impeached for and they still think he walks on water.
This country is fuckng doomed!😳
First of all, there is NO proof of ANYTHING he has done that is wrong...ZERO. Only some allegations. Putin is right, the left has schizophrenia....What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? You guys are so anxious to find SOMETHING to nail him too, it is pathetic! THAT is what is 'dooming' out country!
You throw enough spaghetti on the wall, some of them will stick.........that is what the left and the media is doing.
Yes, I wake up EVERY day and I am thankful that Trump is our POTUS..............if you guys would have nominated anybody else, besides Hillary, like I warned you guys about, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.
Trump isn't perfect, but I don't think there ever WILL be a perfect POTUS........but he is a FAR CRY better than anyone else who gave it a shot.....
Elections has consequences....we won. Quit trying to DESTROY him before he has even given a chance to do anything.........hell, if anything, our economy is showing signs of a tremendous future....that should be worth a whole lot to every American.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2017, 09:54:54 AM
First of all, there is NO proof of ANYTHING he has done that is wrong...ZERO. Only some allegations. Putin is right, the left has schizophrenia....What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? You guys are so anxious to find SOMETHING to nail him too, it is pathetic! THAT is what is 'dooming' out country!
You throw enough spaghetti on the wall, some of them will stick.........that is what the left and the media is doing.
Yes, I wake up EVERY day and I am thankful that Trump is our POTUS..............if you guys would have nominated anybody else, besides Hillary, like I warned you guys about, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.
Trump isn't perfect, but I don't think there ever WILL be a perfect POTUS........but he is a FAR CRY better than anyone else who gave it a shot.....
Elections has consequences....we won. Quit trying to DESTROY him before he has even given a chance to do anything.........hell, if anything, our economy is showing signs of a tremendous future....that should be worth a whole lot to every American.
There wasn't any "evidence" with Watergate except for the Washington Post's article either; until the tapes were forcibly brought to light. The Raging Cheeto has alluded to tapes himself. Where are they?
Will congress thoroughly investigate? Will Comey be vindicated and Trump impeached for the very same obstruction of justice charges as Nixon? Will congress actually go where the evidence takes them?
I have my doubts as once again there is a bully in the whitehouse but this time congress is full of a bunch of panty waisted and lethargic imbeciles ! 😡
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2017, 10:27:19 AM
Will congress actually go where the evidence takes them?
They didn't when Hillary LIED about emails, her server, Benghazi and on and on and on..........BUT, since there is an obvious witch hunt on Trump.......we will see.
But you know damn well PH, this is all BS...it is just more political power play just as the repubs did obama.........it is no longer what is best for our country but rather what is best for our party..........and the republican party is the "panty waste" you was referring too....I agree on that.
I see Hank still fantasizes about sucking Trump off. LOL
Quote from: Exterminator on May 17, 2017, 11:10:14 AM
I see Hank still fantasizes about sucking Trump off. LOL
See how ya are? You just gotta go an make it personal and ugly.....tisk, tisk...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2017, 11:17:15 AM
See how ya are? You just gotta go an make it personal and ugly.....tisk, tisk...
That's how they operate, try to beat you down mentally so you'll submit to their way of thinking.
Quote from: libby on May 16, 2017, 12:27:09 PM
There's one word that describes what Trump, President of the United States of America, doesn't seem to understand or have a clue about:
COVERT:
Adjective: Not openly acknowledged or displayed: "Covert operations against the dictatorship ...."
Synonym: secret, furtive, clandestine, surreptitious. -- Merriam-Webster
To put it simply, if you or anyone else, with or without the need to know, knows about such information and passes it on to someone else without implicit (absolute, unquestioning) need to know, it ain't covert no more! :spooked: Big Trouble.
Trump obviously does not have the background, education, and job experience to understand that. He has now, has had people working for him who could guide and keep him out of trouble, but his ego has gotten in the way.
From the uproar since it was first learned, apparently from Russian TV, that President Trump had sneaked some Russians into the Oval Office, I would guess that the information he is now accused of providing was in the category described above. :spooked: :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2017, 09:54:54 AM
First of all, there is NO proof of ANYTHING he has done that is wrong...ZERO.
It's hard for me to see any U.S. ties to Russia...except for the Flynn thing
and the Manafort thing
and the Tillerson thing
and the Sessions thing
and the Kushner thing
and the Carter Page thing
and the Roger Stone thing
and the Felix Sater thing
and the Boris Ephsteyn thing
and the Rosneft thing
and the Gazprom thing
and the Sergey Gorkov banker thing
and the Azerbajain thing
and the "I love Putin" thing
and the Donald Trump, Jr. thing
and the Sergey Kislyak thing
and the Russian Affiliated Interests thing
and the Russian Business Interests thing
and the Emoluments Clause thing
and the Alex Schnaider thing
and the hack of the DNC thing
and the Guccifer 2.0 thing
and the Mike Pence "I don't know anything" thing
and the Russians mysteriously dying thing
and Trump's public request to Russia to hack Hillary's email thing
and the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing
and the Russian fertilizer king's plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing
and the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing
and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing
and the Cyprus bank thing
and Trump not releasing his tax returns thing
and the Republican Party's rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing
and the election hacking thing
and the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing
and the Steele Dossier thing
and the Leninist Bannon thing
and the Sally Yates can't testify thing
and the intelligence community's investigative reports thing
and the Trump reassurance that the Russian connection is all "fake news" thing
and the Spicer's Russian Dressing "nothing's wrong" thing
and the Chaffetz not willing to start an investigation thing
and the Chaffetz suddenly deciding to go back to private life in the middle of an investigation thing
and the The Lead DOJ Investigator Mary McCord SUDDENLY in the middle of the investigation decides to resign thing
and the appointment of Pam Bondi who was bribed by trump in the trump university scandal appointed to head the investigation thing
and the The White House going into full-on cover-up mode, refusing to turn over the documents related to the hiring and subsequent firing of Flynn thing
and the Chaffetz and White House blaming the poor vetting of Flynn on Obama thing
and the Poland and British intelligence gave information regarding the hacking back in 2015 to Paul Ryan and he didn't do anything thing
and the Agent M16 following the money thing
And now the trump team KNEW about Flynn's involvement but hired him anyway thing
and The Corey Lewendowski thing
and the Preet Bharara firing thing but before he left he transferred evidence against trump to a state level Schneiderman thing
And the Betsy Devos' Brother thing
And the Sebastian Gorka thing
And the Greg Gianforte from Montana thing
And the pence actually was warned about Flynn before he was hired thing
and the Pence and Manafort connection thing
And the 7 Allies coming forward with audio where trump was picked up in incidental wire tapping thing
and the carter Page defying the Senate's order to hand over his Russian contact list
and the trump wants to VETO Sally Yates' testimony thing
and the trump trying to discredit Yates thing
and NOW the Obama told trump personally about Flynn thing and the COMEY THING!
and the meeting with Russian foreign minister upon the order of Putin thing
and the sharing of highly classified top secret information to Russian Foreign minister thing! And NOW the Comey memo that says Trump asked him to drop the probe into the Flynn case thing? SO yeah there's probably nothing there!
Quote from: Exterminator on May 17, 2017, 01:26:25 PM
It's hard for me to see any U.S. ties to Russia...except for the Flynn thing
and the Manafort thing
and the Tillerson thing
and the Sessions thing
and the Kushner thing
and the Carter Page thing
and the Roger Stone thing
and the Felix Sater thing
and the Boris Ephsteyn thing
and the Rosneft thing
and the Gazprom thing
and the Sergey Gorkov banker thing
and the Azerbajain thing
and the "I love Putin" thing
and the Donald Trump, Jr. thing
and the Sergey Kislyak thing
and the Russian Affiliated Interests thing
and the Russian Business Interests thing
and the Emoluments Clause thing
and the Alex Schnaider thing
and the hack of the DNC thing
and the Guccifer 2.0 thing
and the Mike Pence "I don't know anything" thing
and the Russians mysteriously dying thing
and Trump's public request to Russia to hack Hillary's email thing
and the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing
and the Russian fertilizer king's plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing
and the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing
and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing
and the Cyprus bank thing
and Trump not releasing his tax returns thing
and the Republican Party's rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing
and the election hacking thing
and the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing
and the Steele Dossier thing
and the Leninist Bannon thing
and the Sally Yates can't testify thing
and the intelligence community's investigative reports thing
and the Trump reassurance that the Russian connection is all "fake news" thing
and the Spicer's Russian Dressing "nothing's wrong" thing
and the Chaffetz not willing to start an investigation thing
and the Chaffetz suddenly deciding to go back to private life in the middle of an investigation thing
and the The Lead DOJ Investigator Mary McCord SUDDENLY in the middle of the investigation decides to resign thing
and the appointment of Pam Bondi who was bribed by trump in the trump university scandal appointed to head the investigation thing
and the The White House going into full-on cover-up mode, refusing to turn over the documents related to the hiring and subsequent firing of Flynn thing
and the Chaffetz and White House blaming the poor vetting of Flynn on Obama thing
and the Poland and British intelligence gave information regarding the hacking back in 2015 to Paul Ryan and he didn't do anything thing
and the Agent M16 following the money thing
And now the trump team KNEW about Flynn's involvement but hired him anyway thing
and The Corey Lewendowski thing
and the Preet Bharara firing thing but before he left he transferred evidence against trump to a state level Schneiderman thing
And the Betsy Devos' Brother thing
And the Sebastian Gorka thing
And the Greg Gianforte from Montana thing
And the pence actually was warned about Flynn before he was hired thing
and the Pence and Manafort connection thing
And the 7 Allies coming forward with audio where trump was picked up in incidental wire tapping thing
and the carter Page defying the Senate's order to hand over his Russian contact list
and the trump wants to VETO Sally Yates' testimony thing
and the trump trying to discredit Yates thing
and NOW the Obama told trump personally about Flynn thing and the COMEY THING!
and the meeting with Russian foreign minister upon the order of Putin thing
and the sharing of highly classified top secret information to Russian Foreign minister thing! And NOW the Comey memo that says Trump asked him to drop the probe into the Flynn case thing? SO yeah there's probably nothing there!
All BS with no basis in fact other than the media and oposition said so. :rolleyes:
Just more mindless parroting....too many people out there read that bullshit and think there is something to it.....and Ex, I KNOW, you know there isn't anything to this, you're smarter than that...........you just don't like Trump, so you are jumping on ANYTHING to discredit him....
and that is about as un-american as you can get.
You lost;get over it! PALEESE!
Fucking watergate revisited. History repeats itself again.
:rant:
Are ya happy now, I moved this here.
https://www.youtube.com/v/pLQrM30z4s8
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/18582304_10155830791736729_6013222210277678929_n_zpsnpr2oeqp.jpg)
Trump to a room full of Israelis:
"We just got back from the Middle East."
Seriously? How stupid can this fucking guy be?
I guess he doesn't think Israelis live in the Middle East. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on May 22, 2017, 04:46:08 PM
Trump to a room full of Israelis:
"We just got back from the Middle East."
Seriously? How stupid can this fucking guy be?
I guess he doesn't think Israelis live in the Middle East. :rolleyes:
Ugh. Such an embarrassment to us. I saw a video where he looked like he was trying to take Melania's hand after they got off the airplane and it looked like she slapped his hand away. Trouble in paradise? That's one thing I've admired about the Obama's. You could see how much he loved her when they were together. I don't see that in Trump and Melania.
The body language between those two is markedly different than that of the Obama's relationship.
Quote from: Locutus on May 22, 2017, 08:14:51 PM
The body language between those two is markedly different than that of the Obama's relationship.
:yes:
Quote from: Locutus on May 22, 2017, 08:14:51 PM
The body language between those two is markedly different than that of the Obama's relationship.
Oh, you didn't see the disgusted look Michelle would give him when he was talking to other women?
Quote from: me on May 22, 2017, 11:26:09 PM
Oh, you didn't see the disgusted look Michelle would give him when he was talking to other women?
LMAO!! It's pretty sad that everything we say about Trump, you have to try - poorly I might add - to make a parallel with Obama even if none exists. :rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on May 23, 2017, 12:00:24 PM
LMAO!! It's pretty sad that everything we say about Trump, you have to try - poorly I might add - to make a parallel with Obama even if none exists. :rotfl:
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/22/diy-how-to-glare-like-michelle-obama/
http://nypost.com/2013/12/10/michelle-annoyed-by-obamas-selfie-at-mandela-memorial/
Notice in that one photo in the first link that they aren't holding hands and she looks angry. Were they fighting, do they hate each other, divorce pending maybe?
https://www.youtube.com/v/GLcMBnz9GWk
Quote from: me on May 24, 2017, 11:58:17 PM
https://www.youtube.com/v/GLcMBnz9GWk
Once again, you're posting something sans context. :rolleyes:
I saw this same shit all over Fox News yesterday. You know, that network you claim not to watch. :wink:
What more do you want? It's their own words not something from an unnamed source using an unseen memo. :rolleyes:
Now they're really getting desperate to find fault with Trump. This is ridiculous any way you look at it. I think she's senile.
https://www.youtube.com/v/_K8CJQq3YnQ
Quote from: me on May 26, 2017, 10:32:26 AM
Now they're really getting desperate to find fault with Trump. This is ridiculous any way you look at it. I think she's senile.
https://www.youtube.com/v/_K8CJQq3YnQ
Sucks when people do that doesn't it? Been listening/reading/watching you guys do it for a decade now. 🙄
No one has to look very hard to find fault with the raging cheeto. It on full display every single day.
Quote from: me on May 26, 2017, 10:32:26 AM
I think she's senile.
Like you have room to talk. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on May 22, 2017, 04:46:08 PM
Trump to a room full of Israelis:
"We just got back from the Middle East."
Seriously? How stupid can this fucking guy be?
I guess he doesn't think Israelis live in the Middle East. :rolleyes:
LOL!
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 22, 2017, 06:37:29 PM
Ugh. Such an embarrassment to us. I saw a video where he looked like he was trying to take Melania's hand after they got off the airplane and it looked like she slapped his hand away. Trouble in paradise? That's one thing I've admired about the Obama's. You could see how much he loved her when they were together. I don't see that in Trump and Melania.
Made me think of an old sci-fi episode on ?Twilight Zone or Outer Limits: A beautiful young woman married a man much older and richer, reasoning he'd die soon and she'd get his money and a younger man. Fast forward quite a few years and she had visibly aged and so had he. But he showed no signs of slowin' down .
Next week will be interesting when Comey goes before the committee in a public hearing. :yes:
BREAKING! "Covfefe" Mystery Solved! President Trump Wins Again!
When President Trump tweeted the word "Covfefe," the world mocked him thinking he was "sleep texting" or just made a huge error. There were millions of memes made within hours of the tweet.
Sean Spicer addressed the "covfefe" mystery and said it was intentional. After doing some research and using Google Translate, we found "Cov fe'fe" in Arabic means "I will stand up."
When put into the context of the tweet, it makes total sense. "Despite the constant negative press, I will stand up."
Sorry libs, President Trump is a genius and wins again!
Please like and share!
HT (Link: www.google.com)
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=81271
Quote from: me on June 01, 2017, 10:56:34 AM
BREAKING! "Covfefe" Mystery Solved! President Trump Wins Again!
Really? The guy who can barely speak English now knows Arabic? You conservatives are a gullible bunch. :rolleyes:
And in the greatest of irony, the embarrassment/"climate denier" in chief withdraws the U.S. from the Paris climate accord just as a block of ice the size of the state of Delaware is due to break off of the Larsen C ice shelf in northern Antarctica. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 01, 2017, 04:39:16 PM
And in the greatest of irony, the embarrassment/"climate denier" in chief withdraws the U.S. from the Paris climate accord just as a block of ice the size of the state of Delaware is due to break off of the Larsen C ice shelf in northern Antarctica. :rolleyes:
If the people advising Trump to pull out had only been around to give his father that same advice, we wouldn't have this problem today. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 01, 2017, 05:25:38 PM
If the people advising Trump to pull out had only been around to give his father that same advice, we wouldn't have this problem today. :biggrin:
Indeed! ;D
Same goes for all of the idiots that voted for him. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 01, 2017, 05:25:38 PM
If the people advising Trump to pull out had only been around to give his father that same advice, we wouldn't have this problem today. :biggrin:
Okay, strictly going on the humor side of this one, THAT was pretty good!!...but...
Quote from: Locutus on June 01, 2017, 05:32:14 PM
Indeed! ;D
Same goes for all of the idiots that voted for him. :yes:
HEY! I"M one of those idiots!! Wait....What?
Quote from: me on June 01, 2017, 10:56:34 AM
Sean Spicer addressed the "covfefe" mystery and said it was intentional. After doing some research and using Google Translate, we found "Cov fe'fe" in Arabic means "I will stand up."
If you go to Google translate and enter, "I will stand up," the Arabic translation is, "sawf 'aqaf." Interestingly, if you click the button that gives you the pronunciation, it sounds just like, "so fuck off." :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 02, 2017, 01:18:49 PM
HEY! I"M one of those idiots!! Wait....What?
:yes: :biggrin:
Anybody else see what The former director of the FBI said in his released statement yesterday???☠️
Raging Cheeto will know the definition of impeachment before the year is out. 👊🏼
Quote from: Palehorse on June 08, 2017, 12:30:55 AM
Anybody else see what The former director of the FBI said in his released statement yesterday???☠️
Raging Cheeto will know the definition of impeachment before the year is out. 👊🏼
I'm sure he will know the definition because the left will NEVER let it die, but it will not happen. :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 08, 2017, 04:11:33 PM
I'm sure he will know the definition because the left will NEVER let it die, but it will not happen. :no:
1) Abuse of power, even the attempt to use it in such a way, is a crime.
2) The cheetos actions just prior to saying what he did are a clear indication he was aware of how his words / actions/ requests could be perceived. His follow up in firing the director could be deemed as ill advised at best, and criminal perhaps.
Just another in the long list of examples of just why it was/is a bad idea to put someone into such a high office with zero experience in governance. Zero. His business experience is dubious at best, and given what we've seen thus far leans heavily toward tyranny.
Both very BAD qualities for a public servant and leader of the free world. . .
The only abuse of power is being done by the democrats in Washington and the MSM.
This is a witch hunt of epic proportions....his firing of Comey is 100% justified. There is NO collusion between Trump and the Russians. Hoping the FBI can let this go (regarding the Flynn investigation is in no means a criminal act.
What IS a potential criminal act is leaking classified information to a friend so they can call the NY Times as Comey did....and perhaps it may be a criminal act to allow Loretta Lynch persuade him to call Hillarys "investigation" as "matter"....and NOT report it...
I can go on and on about collusion by democrats and the MSM..the bottom line is this:
The democrats got beat by Trump and they can't accept that. Hillary is still blaming everyone and everything besides herself. People are rioting, kicking and screaming like a spoiled brat......... and it is time to do what the republicans did when we lost control. That is go to the polls the next election and change things the way our Constitution allows.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2017, 03:18:32 PM
The only abuse of power is being done by the democrats in Washington and the MSM.
This is a witch hunt of epic proportions....his firing of Comey is 100% justified. There is NO collusion between Trump and the Russians. Hoping the FBI can let this go (regarding the Flynn investigation is in no means a criminal act.
What IS a potential criminal act is leaking classified information to a friend so they can call the NY Times as Comey did....and perhaps it may be a criminal act to allow Loretta Lynch persuade him to call Hillarys "investigation" as "matter"....and NOT report it...
I can go on and on about collusion by democrats and the MSM..the bottom line is this:
The democrats got beat by Trump and they can't accept that. Hillary is still blaming everyone and everything besides herself. People are rioting, kicking and screaming like a spoiled brat......... and it is time to do what the republicans did when we lost control. That is go to the polls the next election and change things the way our Constitution allows.
Don't forget about Comey being asked to refer to the lynch thing as a "matter" not an investigation on the Clinton probe and he did.
From another source:
Top 10 things we learned yesterday:
1. Trump was never under investigation.
2. Trump did not obstruct justice.
3. Trump did not collude with Russia.
4. Russia did not alter the election outcome.
5. Comey leaked his own memo.
6. Loretta Lynch pressured Comey to cover for Hillary Clinton.
7. There was ample evidence to put Hillary in jail but Comey chose not to pursue it.
8. CNN and other fake news outlets have been lying / making things up this entire time.
9. The Democratic Party no longer has the ability to scream "RUSSIA" every time Trump tries to do something.
10. The Russia story is dead - any democrat who continue to push it will look foolish and insane to the American people.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2017, 07:14:50 PM
From another source:
Top 10 things we learned yesterday:
1. Trump was never under investigation.
2. Trump did not obstruct justice.
3. Trump did not collude with Russia.
4. Russia did not alter the election outcome.
5. Comey leaked his own memo.
6. Loretta Lynch pressured Comey to cover for Hillary Clinton.
7. There was ample evidence to put Hillary in jail but Comey chose not to pursue it.
8. CNN and other fake news outlets have been lying / making things up this entire time.
9. The Democratic Party no longer has the ability to scream "RUSSIA" every time Trump tries to do something.
10. The Russia story is dead - any democrat who continue to push it will look foolish and insane to the American people.
I really don't know the truth, what I want to see is his tax return. :haha: How about you Bunky. :confused: :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2017, 03:18:32 PM
The only abuse of power is being done by the democrats in Washington and the MSM.
This is a witch hunt of epic proportions....his firing of Comey is 100% justified. There is NO collusion between Trump and the Russians. Hoping the FBI can let this go (regarding the Flynn investigation is in no means a criminal act.
What IS a potential criminal act is leaking classified information to a friend so they can call the NY Times as Comey did....and perhaps it may be a criminal act to allow Loretta Lynch persuade him to call Hillarys "investigation" as "matter"....and NOT report it...
I can go on and on about collusion by democrats and the MSM..the bottom line is this:
The democrats got beat by Trump and they can't accept that. Hillary is still blaming everyone and everything besides herself. People are rioting, kicking and screaming like a spoiled brat......... and it is time to do what the republicans did when we lost control. That is go to the polls the next election and change things the way our Constitution allows.
Let's hear what the tapes have to say eh? Or was that also a lie? :rolleyes:
Lie. Nothing but lies eminently spewing from the Raging Cheeto. 😡
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2017, 03:18:32 PM
The only abuse of power is being done by the democrats in Washington and the MSM.
This is a witch hunt of epic proportions....his firing of Comey is 100% justified. There is NO collusion between Trump and the Russians. Hoping the FBI can let this go (regarding the Flynn investigation is in no means a criminal act.
What IS a potential criminal act is leaking classified information to a friend so they can call the NY Times as Comey did....and perhaps it may be a criminal act to allow Loretta Lynch persuade him to call Hillarys "investigation" as "matter"....and NOT report it...
I can go on and on about collusion by democrats and the MSM..the bottom line is this:
The democrats got beat by Trump and they can't accept that. Hillary is still blaming everyone and everything besides herself. People are rioting, kicking and screaming like a spoiled brat......... and it is time to do what the republicans did when we lost control. That is go to the polls the next election and change things the way our Constitution allows.
With Trump being the most foulest :chick: president America ever has had. :trustme: He won't be impeached.
HE WILL QUIT FIRST. He never wanted to be president. :rant:
Then we will get Pence, a devil in Jesus clothes. :sneaky: :kissit: :mooning:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2017, 07:14:50 PM
From another source:
Top 10 things we learned yesterday:
1. Trump was never under investigation.
2. Trump did not obstruct justice.
3. Trump did not collude with Russia.
4. Russia did not alter the election outcome.
5. Comey leaked his own memo.
6. Loretta Lynch pressured Comey to cover for Hillary Clinton.
7. There was ample evidence to put Hillary in jail but Comey chose not to pursue it.
8. CNN and other fake news outlets have been lying / making things up this entire time.
9. The Democratic Party no longer has the ability to scream "RUSSIA" every time Trump tries to do something.
10. The Russia story is dead - any democrat who continue to push it will look foolish and insane to the American people.
1. He is now.
2. That is yet to be adjudicated.
3. See#2.
4. See#2.
5. So?
6. If the POTUS couldn't pressure him then how could Lynch?
7. Prove it. If it were so your Raging Cheeto would have pressured the DOJ to pursue it.
8. Unproven propaganda.
9. Untrue. (See #2)
10. You guys are STILL pushing the birth certificate lie from 10 years ago. Whose the fool? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 17, 2017, 04:41:49 PM
1. He is now.
2. That is yet to be adjudicated.
3. See#2.
4. See#2.
5. So?
6. If the POTUS couldn't pressure him then how could Lynch?
7. Prove it. If it were so your Raging Cheeto would have pressured the DOJ to pursue it.
8. Unproven propaganda.
9. Untrue. (See #2)
10. You guys are STILL pushing the birth certificate lie from 10 years ago. Whose the fool? :rolleyes:
After yesterdays tweets, there is no doubt that Donald Trump is nuts and crazy. :yes: :rant:
The news is chock full of his playground horse manure. . . I cannot stomache much more of it. ☠️
Quote from: Palehorse on June 30, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
The news is chock full of his playground horse manure. . . I cannot stomach much more of it. ☠️
Why don't the crooked new media quit posting and talking about Trump 's tweets. :rant: Why does the new media keep going to those phony news briefings, with bitch and cunt Huckabee. :mad: :rant: If Trump and Cunt can't tell the truth, stop repeating and repeating and repeating, and repeating fake news.
Breaking news. breaking news, breaking news. Trump lies again. Trump lies again.
British burns down White House! My question is, is Trump going to burn down the White House and America talking to Putin. :angry:
(http://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Dj18K66YYFx7ZqQSfdeR-wEsEs&w=186&h=186&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7)
GREAT AGAIN: +222,000 JOBS IN JUNE... (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/07/us-nonfarm-payrolls-june-2017.html)
Record 153,168,000 Employed... (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/220000-jobs-june-record-153168000-employed)
Consumer Confidence at a record 16-year high!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 07, 2017, 01:46:43 PM
(http://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Dj18K66YYFx7ZqQSfdeR-wEsEs&w=186&h=186&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&pid=1.7)
GREAT AGAIN: +222,000 JOBS IN JUNE... (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/07/us-nonfarm-payrolls-june-2017.html)
Record 153,168,000 Employed... (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/220000-jobs-june-record-153168000-employed)
Consumer Confidence at a record 16-year high!
Dear Nut Case, this isn't happening because the way Trump is running the country. Let's think about Carrier in Indianapolis again. :haha: :haha: :haha: What a Snook. :doh:
Yeah it is. :yes:
Things are not going so well for Trump and family. Interesting that he had his daughter Ivanka sit in for him at one of the summit meetings, and Donald, Jr. and Jared have hired lawyers because of their contact, along with Flynn, with the Russians before the election -- their intent being to make sure Hillary Clinton didn't win.
Quote from: libby on July 11, 2017, 12:21:33 AM
Things are not going so well for Trump and family. Interesting that he had his daughter Ivanka sit in for him at one of the summit meetings, and Donald, Jr. and Jared have hired lawyers because of their contact, along with Flynn, with the Russians before the election -- their intent being to make sure Hillary Clinton didn't win.
WOW!
I'm speechless.....
Well, I have looked at Trump and his family from up and down, right to left, inside and out. My opinion is :drummer:
The Trump Family is White Trash with money. :yes: :ditto: :2cents:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2017, 08:16:21 AM
WOW!
I'm speechless.....
Why?
The emails that were released today almost prove collusion, and absolutely prove that Trump Jr. has lied multiple times about what has gone on.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2017, 02:02:20 PM
Why?
The emails that were released today almost prove collusion, and absolutely prove that Trump Jr. has lied multiple times about what has gone on.
You live on a different planet dude....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2017, 03:49:02 PM
You live on a different planet dude....
Have you read the released emails or are you just talking out of your ass?
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2017, 04:14:25 PM
Have you read the released emails or are you just talking out of your ass?
Yes, and HE (Don Jr.) was the one who released them.....if he had anything to hide, I don't think he would be doing this.
Then how is what I said inaccurate?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
Yes, and HE (Don Jr.) was the one who released them.....if he had anything to hide, I don't think he would be doing this.
And BTW, he also released them
after the NYT asked him to comment on the story they were about to run on the emails. He didn't do that of any desire for transparency. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2017, 07:17:43 PM
And BTW, he also released them after the NYT asked him to comment on the story they were about to run on the emails. He didn't do that of any desire for transparency. :roll eyes:
If you watched Hannity last night, he did a full interview and he laid it all out there. I find him very believable. I think this is just ANOTHER wild fucking goose chase by the dems HOPING to find SOMETHING.
The bottom line is there was NOTHING to it. NADDA!
It is becoming very pathetic by the democrat party on how desperate they are to find something wrong............and the keep coming up empty handed.
Why don't you guys accept defeat and just try to go to the polls and win the fair & square way as Trump did.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2017, 08:47:42 AM
. . .
Why don't you guys accept defeat and just try to go to the polls and win the fair & square way as Trump did.
Like the tea billies and conservatives did for the previous 10 years? 🙄
You and your ilk trashed your credibility all on your own.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 12, 2017, 10:34:01 AM
Like the tea billies and conservatives did for the previous 10 years? 🙄
You and your ilk trashed your credibility all on your own.
and you guys are doing a bang up job all on your own.
we can keep on going back and forth on this...but the fact is....never has it been this bad. It is ridicules and it is backfiring on the democrats, because people are getting sick and tired of it.
Bunky, you nor Hannity has enough lipstick to put on this pig "Donald Jr." to make him pretty. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on July 12, 2017, 04:13:59 PM
Bunky, you nor Hannity has enough lipstick to put on this pig "Donald Jr." to make him pretty. :haha: :haha:
SPEAKING OF UGLY...
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2017, 08:47:42 AM
If you watched Hannity last night, he did a full interview and he laid it all out there. I find him very believable. I think this is just ANOTHER wild fucking goose chase by the dems HOPING to find SOMETHING.
The bottom line is there was NOTHING to it. NADDA!
It is becoming very pathetic by the democrat party on how desperate they are to find something wrong............and the keep coming up empty handed.
Why don't you guys accept defeat and just try to go to the polls and win the fair & square way as Trump did.
Trump and his family, especially Junior, do not seem to have a clue that being able to build big hotels and golf courses, create TV shows and run beauty contests qualifies them to run a country like the United States of America. The scope of their ignorance is stunning. And very scary.
Quote from: libby on July 12, 2017, 04:45:37 PM
Trump and his family, especially Junior, do not seem to have a clue that being able to build big hotels and golf courses, create TV shows and run beauty contests qualifies them to run a country like the United States of America. The scope of their ignorance is stunning. And very scary.
And being a community organizer does?
Quote from: me on July 12, 2017, 10:05:53 PM
And being a community organizer does?
Funny how you just focus on ONE position within public service that he has held and automagically discredit the summation of President Obama's long and storied career in the process.
Correction: It isn't funny; but typical.
The summation of the Raging Cheeto and his tenure in public service doesn't amount to a pimple on Obama's ass. Nor will it ever. He makes Nixon look like a choir boy. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2017, 10:45:53 AM
and you guys are doing a bang up job all on your own.
we can keep on going back and forth on this...but the fact is....never has it been this bad. It is ridicules and it is backfiring on the democrats, because people are getting sick and tired of it.
🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: Palehorse on July 13, 2017, 12:55:36 AM
Funny how you just focus on ONE position within public service that he has held and automagically discredit the summation of President Obama's long and storied career in the process.
Correction: It isn't funny; but typical.
The summation of the Raging Cheeto and his tenure in public service doesn't amount to a pimple on Obama's ass. Nor will it ever. He makes Nixon look like a choir boy. :yes:
Trump is the best thing to happen to this Nation since Reagan.........there, stew on that one. My prediction is that time will prove this to be true...despite what our Media is trying to brainwash the sheep into believing.
Baby Robin Hawk, everything that you have predicted in the past has been wrong. :yes: And this statement you have made will be wrong too. :yes: You're so fucked up, you will never get anything right. :trustme:
Quote from: The Troll on July 13, 2017, 10:18:11 AM
Baby Robin Hawk, everything that you have predicted in the past has been wrong. :yes: And this statement you have made will be wrong too. :yes: You're so fucked up, you will never get anything right. :trustme:
uH, where was I wrong? I said Trump would beat Hillary. I said Trump would be our next POTUS.
Go take a nap...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 13, 2017, 08:07:17 AM
Trump is the best thing to happen to this Nation since Reagan.........there, stew on that one. My prediction is that time will prove this to be true...despite what our Media is trying to brainwash the sheep into believing.
All the Raging Cheeto 's election proves is that the average American voter relies on unsubstantiated lies in order to decide who they vote for. That they are easily distracted from the real agenda and disregard factual evidence to the contrary. In short they are lemmings.
These are the truths time will reveal.
I used to believe that one had to be a very intelligent individual in order to hold the highest office in this nation. The Raging Cheeto proved this is no longer the case. 😡
Quote from: Palehorse on July 13, 2017, 10:31:49 AM
All the Raging Cheeto 's election proves is that the average American voter relies on unsubstantiated lies in order to decide who they vote for. That they are easily distracted from the real agenda and disregard factual evidence to the contrary. In short they are lemmings.
I find this very amusing PH. After the extreme LIES told by CNN & MSNBC....the russian collusion ordeal, Hillary and her blame game, Comey and company.......I think it is those who didn't vote for Trump are the very ones you speak about....100%...no, 1000%. Truly incredible times....all I know is, our economy IS INDEED getting better....things are getting into place to make us a safer country. I see a democrat party melting down.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 13, 2017, 10:48:18 AM
I find this very amusing PH. After the extreme LIES told by CNN & MSNBC....the russian collusion ordeal, Hillary and her blame game, Comey and company.......I think it is those who didn't vote for Trump are the very ones you speak about....100%...no, 1000%. Truly incredible times....all I know is, our economy IS INDEED getting better....things are getting into place to make us a safer country. I see a democrat party melting down.
:spooked: You are truly delusional.
Quote from: libby on July 13, 2017, 11:48:46 PM
:spooked: You are truly delusional.
No way! I'm telling you...Trump is here for 8 years. The Democrat Party is in trouble. I also state that the republican party (as we now know it) too is in big trouble.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2017, 07:21:24 AM
No way! I'm telling you...Trump is here for 8 years. The Democrat Party is in trouble. I also state that the republican party (as we now know it) too is in big trouble.
I am amazed to find anyone could believe this; especially given the tightrope walking and outright lies coming from the whitehouse. . . 🌒
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2017, 10:29:30 AM
I am amazed to find anyone could believe this; especially given the tightrope walking and outright lies coming from the whitehouse. . . 🌒
What lies? The only lying I see is coming from democrats and the mainstream media. Nancy Pelosi claiming hundreds of thousands of people will die if this Health care bill passes....CNN & Donna Brazile, Chris Cuomo...Russia Collusion,....it seems like every week there something they LIE about....it is getting old.
And, I'm not alone, it seems like everyone I work with and know, feels the same way. Even people who did not vote for Trump are getting TIRED of the media's attack on him and the Trump family.
You're far too insular in your friends and acquaintances. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2017, 02:31:26 PM
You're far too insular in your friends and acquaintances. :wink:
If the truth was really known, Hawk really doesn't have any true friends. :yes: For one reason alone, Henry lies about every thing and nobody can trust or be a friend to a liar. :liar2: :trustme:
Well Sean Spicer is out, not that any of us didn't see that coming. ;D
I actually wish him well. It had to be difficult going in front of the press under orders from your boss to tell demonstrable lies. Maybe he can get his integrity back.
Quote from: Locutus on July 21, 2017, 01:08:25 PM
Well Sean Spicer is out, not that any of us didn't see that coming. ;D
I actually wish him well. It had to be difficult going in front of the press under orders from your boss to tell demonstrable lies. Maybe he can get his integrity back.
So do I. It was painful to watch and listen to him.
Have you heard what his replacement (don't remember his name) had to say? It's obvious he knows how to suck up to big egos -- he really loves Donald Trump. Said so several times.
Quote from: libby on July 22, 2017, 12:21:59 AM
So do I. It was painful to watch and listen to him.
Have you heard what his replacement (don't remember his name) had to say? It's obvious he knows how to suck up to big egos -- he really loves Donald Trump. Said so several times.
This replacement isn't going to last very long, if you look closely, you can see the cloud of bullshit around him. :haha:
Quote from: libby on July 22, 2017, 12:21:59 AM
So do I. It was painful to watch and listen to him.
Have you heard what his replacement (don't remember his name) had to say? It's obvious he knows how to suck up to big egos -- he really loves Donald Trump. Said so several times.
Quote from: The Troll on July 22, 2017, 11:54:21 AM
This replacement isn't going to last very long, if you look closely, you can see the cloud of bullshit around him. :haha:
The problem with the replacement, though he may be better spoken than Spicer, is that he plans to continue to allow "Trump to be Trump." What the WH doesn't know, or if they do know, they aren't saying so publicly, is that the disarray in the WH and press office is the
direct result of "Trump being Trump." Until they figure that out, I don't see much changing in the form of any sort of order setting in for the long term.
They'll never be able to effectively elucidate policy positions as long as Trump's umbilical cord is attached to his Twitter feed.
Quote from: Locutus on July 22, 2017, 12:40:41 PM
The problem with the replacement, though he may be better spoken than Spicer, is that he plans to continue to allow "Trump to be Trump." What the WH doesn't know, or if they do know, they aren't saying so publicly, is that the disarray in the WH and press office is the direct result of "Trump being Trump." Until they figure that out, I don't see much changing in the form of any sort of order setting in for the long term.
They'll never be able to effectively elucidate policy positions as long as Trump's umbilical cord is attached to his Twitter feed.
Trump being Trump is why he is POTUS now.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 24, 2017, 08:41:26 AM
Trump being Trump is why he is POTUS now.
It's also why his approval ratings are hovering around 37-38%. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on July 22, 2017, 12:40:41 PM
The problem with the replacement, though he may be better spoken than Spicer, is that he plans to continue to allow "Trump to be Trump." What the WH doesn't know, or if they do know, they aren't saying so publicly, is that the disarray in the WH and press office is the direct result of "Trump being Trump." Until they figure that out, I don't see much changing in the form of any sort of order setting in for the long term.
They'll never be able to effectively elucidate policy positions as long as Trump's umbilical cord is attached to his Twitter feed.
:yes: well said ... It always surprises me when I talk to family, friends, co-workers, neighbors who don't read newspapers (or books), who like Trump. It has been my observation that many of them go to church and turn a blind eye to Trump's lies, coarse language and behavior.
Quote from: Locutus on July 24, 2017, 10:17:01 AM
It's also why his approval ratings are hovering around 37-38%. :wink:
Ok, keep on listening to those polls......the same one's that said Hillary was a shoe in. I'm telling you, he has WAY more support than you are led to believe. Our economy is getting better and it is because Trump being Trump.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 24, 2017, 01:03:32 PM
Ok, keep on listening to those polls......the same one's that said Hillary was a shoe in. I'm telling you, he has WAY more support than you are led to believe. Our economy is getting better and it is because Trump being Trump.
You got swindled. Get over it. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 24, 2017, 01:03:32 PM
Ok, keep on listening to those polls......the same one's that said Hillary was a shoe in. I'm telling you, he has WAY more support than you are led to believe. Our economy is getting better and it is because Trump being Trump.
Oh yeah! Trump is being Trump all right. :biggrin: Did you hear his :rolleyes: speech at the Boy Scout Rally in West Virginia yesterday?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 25, 2017, 11:45:27 AM
You got swindled. Get over it. :yes:
I don't need to get over it! I like him, WE WON. :yes: The only swindling going on is by the media and the democrats (AND several so-called right-wingers).
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 25, 2017, 02:25:35 PM
I don't need to get over it! I like him, WE WON. :yes: The only swindling going on is by the media and the democrats (AND several so-called right-wingers).
It is just as plain as the nose on your face. :yes: Hawk the bird boy is a idiot dumbass. :haha:
Quote from: libby on July 25, 2017, 01:56:16 PM
Oh yeah! Trump is being Trump all right. :biggrin: Did you hear his :rolleyes: speech at the Boy Scout Rally in West Virginia yesterday?
I know that the Boy Scouts Cheered Trump and boo'ed Obama.....
Quote from: libby on July 25, 2017, 01:56:16 PM
Oh yeah! Trump is being Trump all right. :biggrin: Did you hear his :rolleyes: speech at the Boy Scout Rally in West Virginia yesterday?
I did. A lot of it didn't make any sense. He's certifiably crazy.
Quote from: Locutus on July 25, 2017, 05:20:08 PM
I did. A lot of it didn't make any sense. He's certifiably crazy.
It was more Trump being Trump........and there were 40 to 45 thousand who CHEERED him.
It cracked me up.....I went to google on the Trump Boy Scout Speech and of course Jake Tapper and CNN were there slamming him, followed by Washington post, USA Today, NPR, and every left leaning media......just having a "hay day" over this...even comparing Trump to Hitler!! Just MORE liberal HATE is what it all amounts to.
What I saw, was people chanting "USA" and "Trump".....he made them laugh and all seemed to have a good time.
My opinion is, it all goes back to the left HATING anything "Christian" or anything with Christian Morals as a platform.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 26, 2017, 10:17:18 AM
It was more Trump being Trump........and there were 40 to 45 thousand who CHEERED him.
It cracked me up.....I went to google on the Trump Boy Scout Speech and of course Jake Tapper and CNN were there slamming him, followed by Washington post, USA Today, NPR, and every left leaning media......just having a "hay day" over this...even comparing Trump to Hitler!! Just MORE liberal HATE is what it all amounts to.
What I saw, was people chanting "USA" and "Trump".....he made them laugh and all seemed to have a good time.
My opinion is, it all goes back to the left HATING anything "Christian" or anything with Christian Morals as a platform.....
Quote from: The Troll on July 26, 2017, 10:53:54 AM
You're delusional Henry, just like the rest of the 33% of the right wing Christians and other crazies here in America. :kneel:
Trump has lied on every thing he has said. :liar2: You can bet your over sized ass that not everyone cheered. :owned: :groan:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 26, 2017, 10:17:18 AM
My opinion is, it all goes back to the left HATING anything "Christian" or anything with Christian Morals as a platform.....
You're not seriously trying to say that Trump's words and actions are Christian in nature, are you? :roll eyes:
With few exceptions, Trump's speech at the Boy Scout Rally was an attempt to prove to himself and others that he really did win, that he deserves to be President of the United States, and that Hillary Clinton is the crook. Here is one of the most, if not the most, egregious things he said while comparing himself to other presidents:
"... with the exception of the late great President Lincoln, I can be the greatest President."
You know, I find it strange that none of you notice how egotistical Obama is. smh
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2017, 12:26:12 PM
You're not seriously trying to say that Trump's words and actions are Christian in nature, are you? :roll eyes:
That is for another debate.......I'm referring to the Boy Scouts.......the left is pissed, ever since they didn't want openly homosexual in leadership positions....the left despises they have Christian stances and want to practice by them.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 26, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
That is for another debate.......I'm referring to the Boy Scouts.......the left is pissed, ever since they didn't want openly homosexual in leadership positions....the left despises they have Christian stances and want to practice by them.
I haven't seen anyone talking about that issue over the last couple of days. What does that have to do with Trumps speech?
I just popped in and read only the last page of this topic and it baffles me that people still don't get it. Having said that, it also reminded me of why discussion with these people is a colossal waste of time and why I haven't been here as of late.
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;D
Hey there Ex! Wondered where you have been.
Oh, and BTW, what you say is true. Look at this bullshit here. Almost half of Republicans think Trump really won the popular vote last November over Hillary Clinton. They really are in some form of alternate reality. :rolleyes:
You just can't fix stupid.
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Quote from: Locutus on July 27, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
Oh, and BTW, what you say is true. Look at this bullshit here. Almost half of Republicans think Trump really won the popular vote last November over Hillary Clinton. They really are in some form of alternate reality. :rolleyes:
Of course they do. (http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-believe-college-education-bad-america-donald-trump-media-fake-news-634474) :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 27, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
Oh, and BTW, what you say is true. Look at this bullshit here. Almost half of Republicans think Trump really won the popular vote last November over Hillary Clinton. They really are in some form of alternate reality. :rolleyes:
You just can't fix stupid.
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First of all, we ALL know that much of the media is NOW fake....So, your little polls like this doesn't mean shit.
One fact that probably confuses people is that Trump won 2623 counties across this country compared to Hillarys 487.....which is easily perceived as a landslide.
There are still democrats out there who think Hillary won the election and it was stolen by Russia!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 27, 2017, 09:55:20 AM
First of all, we ALL know that much of the media is NOW fake....So, your little polls like this doesn't mean shit.
One fact that probably confuses people is that Trump won 2623 counties across this country compared to Hillarys 487.....which is easily perceived as a landslide.
There are still democrats out there who think Hillary won the election and it was stolen by Russia!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I haven't heard anyone say the election was stolen by Russia. :rolleyes:
I think it's clear that the Russians interfered in the election, but they didn't steal it.
Let me ask you a question. What do you think of Trump's public words and actions toward Jeff Sessions?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 27, 2017, 09:55:20 AM
First of all, we ALL know that much of the media is NOW fake....So, your little polls like this doesn't mean shit.
Case in point. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 27, 2017, 09:52:31 AM
Of course they do. (http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-believe-college-education-bad-america-donald-trump-media-fake-news-634474) :rolleyes:
That's some scary shit right there.
Quote from: Locutus on July 27, 2017, 09:11:35 AM
;D
Hey there Ex! Wondered where you have been.
Me, too! Hope all is well.
Quote from: Locutus on July 27, 2017, 11:17:58 AM
I haven't heard anyone say the election was stolen by Russia. :rolleyes:
"I was on the way to winning until the combination of Jim Comey's letter on October 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but got scared off"
Hillary Clinton (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-blames-russian-hackers-and-comey-for-2016-election-loss/2017/05/02/e62fef72-2f60-11e7-8674-437ddb6e813e_story.html?utm_term=.f14aedef94ab)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 27, 2017, 09:52:31 AM
Of course they do. (http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-believe-college-education-bad-america-donald-trump-media-fake-news-634474) :rolleyes:
Hey, btw....good to see ya!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 27, 2017, 09:52:31 AM
Of course they do. (http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-believe-college-education-bad-america-donald-trump-media-fake-news-634474) :rolleyes:
To start off, I didn't read the whole article (busy).....and I may be off base on this point, but...........I think college is over-rated and has created a problem in our country by encouraging too many kids to get college loans, running up a huge debt, and then the kids end up back at Mom & Dads working at Meijers (just an example).
Most of the kids that graduated with my daughter, (who opted NOT to go to college) went to college, and are working UNDER her now.
My #2 son went to college for 2-years, ran up a debt for himself, and cost me a ton of cash, and decided he didn't know what he wanted to do......He now lives in New Zealand, managing dept store and having a great time.
#1 son, went to college through US Army, and still ran up a debt and cost me a small fortune, graduated with a criminal justice degree and hasn't put it to use yet. He is now in Australia trying to figure out a way to stay there and utilize his degree.
Unless my twins (who are still in High School) are 100% certain on what they want to do, I will not encourage them to go. Right now, my daughter (twin) wants to be a Nurse....(that would be a good thing)....my other twin, a son, is thinking about engineering........which is also a good field to get into.......but, they may change their minds over the next couple of years.
College isn't for everyone and it doesn't always, in many cases, pay off.
I may be rambling and missing the point because I didn't read your article....but read the headlines.
OOOPS! but there ya have it.
Quote from: Locutus on July 27, 2017, 11:17:58 AM
Let me ask you a question. What do you think of Trump's public words and actions toward Jeff Sessions?
Off the cuff, I don't particularly like the way he is handling it, but it seems like he always has other motives, that may not be prevalent to the public...and sometimes may make more sense down the road......I think Session's may have been wrong to recuse himself, but I think he should have just fired him, instead of this public thrashing he is giving him, as it appears that he is doing.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 27, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
To start off, I didn't read the whole article (busy).....and I may be off base on this point, but...........I think college is over-rated and has created a problem in our country by encouraging too many kids to get college loans, running up a huge debt, and then the kids end up back at Mom & Dads working at Meijers (just an example).
Most of the kids that graduated with my daughter, (who opted NOT to go to college) went to college, and are working UNDER her now.
My #2 son went to college for 2-years, ran up a debt for himself, and cost me a ton of cash, and decided he didn't know what he wanted to do......He now lives in New Zealand, managing dept store and having a great time.
#1 son, went to college through US Army, and still ran up a debt and cost me a small fortune, graduated with a criminal justice degree and hasn't put it to use yet. He is now in Australia trying to figure out a way to stay there and utilize his degree.
Unless my twins (who are still in High School) are 100% certain on what they want to do, I will not encourage them to go. Right now, my daughter (twin) wants to be a Nurse....(that would be a good thing)....my other twin, a son, is thinking about engineering........which is also a good field to get into.......but, they may change their minds over the next couple of years.
College isn't for everyone and it doesn't always, in many cases, pay off.
I may be rambling and missing the point because I didn't read your article....but read the headlines.
OOOPS! but there ya have it.
:haha: Looks like your sons would go to the ends of the earth, like far away, to get away from you. :haha: You sure have bad mouthed America enough. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 27, 2017, 03:39:54 PM
Off the cuff, I don't particularly like the way he is handling it, but it seems like he always has other motives, that may not be prevalent to the public...and sometimes may make more sense down the road......I think Session's may have been wrong to recuse himself, but I think he should have just fired him, instead of this public thrashing he is giving him, as it appears that he is doing.
First of all there was no way Session could have known he would have to recuse himself, because at the time he didn't know he had broke a law. :biggrin: But after finding out he had broke a law, he had to recuse himself, to keeping from breaking another law and going to jail. :haha: Oh the evil grain we sow, when we are so stupid as Jeff Sessions. :haha: :haha: That's what he gets for backing Trump first. : :pigdance: :mooning:
Quote from: me on July 26, 2017, 02:23:27 PM
You know, I find it strange that none of you notice how egotistical Obama is. smh
Can you give some examples? I really can't think of any.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 27, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
I may be rambling and missing the point because I didn't read your article....but read the headlines.
OOOPS! but there ya have it.
Then why are you trying to comment? Read the entire article, it isn't that long! I'm not really sure what you are trying to say.
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 27, 2017, 07:39:34 PM
Can you give some examples? I really can't think of any.
Of course you can't because you're busy being taken in by the smooth talk and, what you percieve to be, his charming, (but fake), smile. He's runnin' around the country like he's still president and won't slip quietly into the background like other former presidents have done.
Quote from: me on July 27, 2017, 10:49:42 PM
Of course you can't because you're busy being taken in by the smooth talk and, what you percieve to be, his charming, (but fake), smile. He's runnin' around the country like he's still president and won't slip quietly into the background like other former presidents have done.
President Obama is a highly educated, intelligent, classy gentleman, and not only that, he can SING! (Have you heard him sing
Amazing Grace?) He made being POTUS look easy.
As for Trump, he was born rich and does have a real talent for maintaining that status, but, I wonder if he has begun to figure out that being elected POTUS is not the same as being King or Dictator.
Quote from: me on July 27, 2017, 10:49:42 PM
Of course you can't because you're busy being taken in by the smooth talk and, what you percieve to be, his charming, (but fake), smile. He's runnin' around the country like he's still president and won't slip quietly into the background like other former presidents have done.
He won . . . Twice. . . And he finished both terms. . . And yet here we are and you are STILL whining over it! 🤐
An administration full of financial thugs and misfits, starting with the raging cheeto. :mad:
Not only is congress dysfunctional, but now the white house itself is insidiously dysfunctional as well. 3.5 more years of this horse crap and this country will be FUBAR!.
BOHICA! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
The ramifications of the 9/11 terrorist initiative echoes throughout the halls of congress and the white house.
This nation's sheep have been led down the primrose path to a dictatorship, and they've gone headlong down the path without so much as a bleat. :mad:
And now that psychopath in NK has launched another ballistic missile, which I predict will send the raging cheeto into another social media tirade.
I smell a national disaster in the making. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
And here we are and old Henry Hawk is smiling about it. :biggrin: Think about it, what gear does he have missing. :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 28, 2017, 11:44:00 AM
An administration full of financial thugs and misfits, starting with the raging cheeto. :mad:
Not only is congress dysfunctional, but now the white house itself is insidiously dysfunctional as well. 3.5 more years of this horse crap and this country will be FUBAR!.
BOHICA! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
The ramifications of the 9/11 terrorist initiative echoes throughout the halls of congress and the white house.
This nation's sheep have been led down the primrose path to a dictatorship, and they've gone headlong down the path without so much as a bleat. :mad:
And now that psychopath in NK has launched another ballistic missile, which I predict will send the raging cheeto into another social media tirade.
I smell a national disaster in the making. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Dealing with the crap the former administration left is not an easy task for sure. Unfortunately you won't see or understand what I'm talking about unless you go back and review the deals that were made and all the play nice and they will see the light talk that went on.
The previous administration left the current one in pretty good shape by most standards. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 28, 2017, 11:44:00 AM
And now that psychopath in NK has launched another ballistic missile an intercontinental ballistic missile, which I predict will send the raging cheeto into another social media tirade.
I smell a national disaster in the making. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
FTFY.
Quote from: Locutus on July 28, 2017, 04:32:12 PM
FTFY.
I really don't know what to do, except to kill the bastard. :rant: Put a big bounty on him, one hell of lot of money, with a free trip to America, first class and see if some one would kill him. :yes: :biggrin:
What would Locutus do? :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on July 28, 2017, 07:27:38 PM
I really don't know what to do, except to kill the bastard. :rant: Put a big bounty on him, one hell of lot of money, with a free trip to America, first class and see if some one would kill him. :yes: :biggrin:
What would Locutus do? :wink: :biggrin:
It's definitely a difficult situation all the way around. He's very unstable, and I'm positive we should not allow him to develop his technology to the point where he could launch a nuclear ICBM that would reach as far inland as Denver.
But the possibility of a war on the Korean peninsula also scares the hell out of me.
No easy answers.
Quote from: The Troll on July 28, 2017, 07:27:38 PM
I really don't know what to do, except to kill the bastard. :rant: Put a big bounty on him, one hell of lot of money, with a free trip to America, first class and see if some one would kill him. :yes: :biggrin:
What would Locutus do? :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on July 28, 2017, 08:01:47 PM
It's definitely a difficult situation all the way around. He's very unstable, and I'm positive we should not allow him to develop his technology to the point where he could launch a nuclear ICBM that would reach as far inland as Denver.
But the possibility of a war on the Korean peninsula also scares the hell out of me.
No easy answers.
Yes, no easy answers. :spooked: What has happened to this country since Donald Trump was elected POTUS is getting really scary, so why is he being treated like he is a normal person?
Here's what Dr. Ralph Northam, current Virginia Lt. Gov., gubernatorial candidate and medical doctor, has to say about Trump: He's a "narcissistic maniac."
Quote from: libby on July 30, 2017, 11:36:05 AM
Yes, no easy answers. :spooked: What has happened to this country since Donald Trump was elected POTUS is getting really scary, so why is he being treated like he is a normal person?
Here's what Dr. Ralph Northam, current Virginia Lt. Gov., gubernatorial candidate and medical doctor, has to say about Trump: He's a "narcissistic maniac."
Dr. Northam is spot on in my opinion. I said as much about the raging cheeto during the election, and I stand by those statements.
In what universe does the POTUS telling police officers to "rough up" suspects appear to be a constructive and desired solution to the slaughter? Is he actually endorsing going back to the old Chicago methodologies of telephone books and rubber hoses? And just why is this statement not being vilified by the right? (As they did to ANY statement made by President Obama?)
You are correct in stating that this is scary, but it isn't just getting that way. For me, it has been scary since the election phase as I observed the GOP hoisting a narcissistic bully as their candidate of choice.
About the only thing that hasn't come to pass as far as my fears from back then, is the GOP closing ranks and passing draconian policies to eliminate the middle class. But I guess after 10 years of saying no, the old dogs will take time to learn new tricks eh? :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 31, 2017, 11:38:05 AM
Dr. Northam is spot on in my opinion. I said as much about the raging cheeto during the election, and I stand by those statements.
In what universe does the POTUS telling police officers to "rough up" suspects appear to be a constructive and desired solution to the slaughter? Is he actually endorsing going back to the old Chicago methodologies of telephone books and rubber hoses? And just why is this statement not being vilified by the right? (As they did to ANY statement made by President Obama?)
You are correct in stating that this is scary, but it isn't just getting that way. For me, it has been scary since the election phase as I observed the GOP hoisting a narcissistic bully as their candidate of choice.
About the only thing that hasn't come to pass as far as my fears from back then, is the GOP closing ranks and passing draconian policies to eliminate the middle class. But I guess after 10 years of saying no, the old dogs will take time to learn new tricks eh? :mad:
Amen, brother! Have you heard any of the news from late yesterday and this morning? For starters, the POTUS himself wrote the response attributed to his son, Donald, Jr. when the Russians offered the down and dirty about Hillary Clinton. What a dad! Sharing with his son!
Quote from: libby on August 01, 2017, 10:49:34 AM
Amen, brother! Have you heard any of the news from late yesterday and this morning? For starters, the POTUS himself wrote the response attributed to his son, Donald, Jr. when the Russians offered the down and dirty about Hillary Clinton. What a dad! Sharing with his son!
Yes indeed. Egregious liars, both of them. 🐀
Quote from: Palehorse on August 01, 2017, 10:53:23 AM
Yes indeed. Egregious liars, both of them. 🐀
Not to mention the abuse of office and power. Moreover , treasonous actions.
Does anyone really believe anyone in the White House will be tried for collusion with the Russians? :wait:
Quote from: me on July 27, 2017, 10:49:42 PM
Of course you can't because you're busy being taken in by the smooth talk and, what you percieve to be, his charming, (but fake), smile. He's runnin' around the country like he's still president and won't slip quietly into the background like other former presidents have done.
The answer I figured I would get since you have no examples to give. Geesh, Me, if you're going to make accusations, at least back them up with FACTS. Let me remind you what you said since it's been a few days.
Quote from: me on July 26, 2017, 02:23:27 PM
You know, I find it strange that none of you notice how egotistical Obama is. smh
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 01, 2017, 07:28:51 PM
The answer I figured I would get since you have no examples to give. Geesh, Me, if you're going to make accusations, at least back them up with FACTS. Let me remind you what you said since it's been a few days.
You can see and hear examples of it in his campaign speeches. Watch his body language and the way he holds his head to talk down to people rather than look them in the eye. He also doesn't miss a chance to bad mouth the current administration which no other former president has ever done.
Quote from: me on August 01, 2017, 10:16:40 PM
. . . He also doesn't miss a chance to bad mouth the current administration which no other former president has ever done.
Perhaps because we've never had a narcissist in the White House before? 🐀
Quote from: The Troll on August 01, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Does anyone really believe anyone in the White House will be tried for collusion with the Russians? :wait:
Believe, maybe; hope :yes: I say don't underestimate the anger, determination, dedication, investigative ability of the FBI, CIA et.al. :mad:
Quote from: libby on August 02, 2017, 12:23:20 AM
Believe, maybe; hope :yes: I say don't underestimate the anger, determination, dedication, investigative ability of the FBI, CIA et.al. :mad:
Never underestimate the power money can deliver to idiots. . . :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 02, 2017, 12:25:09 AM
Never underestimate the power money can deliver to idiots. . . :mad:
I agree and I am afraid.
I find this conversation almost unbearable......
All of the outright corruption going on right in front of your face with debbie wasserman schultz, Hillary, Combs, the un-masking by Obama, Lynch and Clinton on the tarmac, Lawsuits by Bernie against Hillary rigging the primaries...and I can go on!!!
You guys have said NADDA!!!
Yet, you are pissed because Donald gave HIS SON, advice on a Russia story that has NO MEAT TO IT!!! NO LAW was ever broken, yet there are several, yes SEVERAL potential felonies committed by those on the left??
It is like we are living in the TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SERIOUSLY, if reince priebus was doing the things that debbie wasserman schultz was doing as the DNC (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449983/debbie-wasserman-schultz-pakistani-computer-guys-bank-fraud) chair YOU GUYS and the MEDIA would be sh!TTINg themselves and would have hung him up by his nuts!
the hypocrisy is at an all-time high!!!!!!!
FREAKIN WOW!! :yes:
Idiocy is rampant. 😡😡😡 :biggrin :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 02, 2017, 10:47:59 AM
Idiocy is rampant. 😡😡😡 :biggrin :mad: :mad: :mad:
VERY, VERY, VERY WELL SAID!!!!😡😡😡 :biggrin
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 02, 2017, 11:00:23 AM
VERY, VERY, VERY WELL SAID!!!!😡😡😡 :biggrin
I see you have been reading chapter one of the GOP book of dirty tricks. 🙄
Quote from: Palehorse on August 02, 2017, 11:03:01 AM
I see you have been reading chapter one of the GOP book of dirty tricks. 🙄
When it comes to dirty tricks, the democrat platform is built on them.....
The GOP needs to learn from the dems.....and give it back to them in their faces.
Speaking of the GOP, many of them are really progressive liberals already.........they just fooled their constituents into thinking otherwise.........many have shown their true colors and I hope and pray they lose their jobs this next election.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 02, 2017, 11:47:08 AM
When it comes to dirty tricks, the democrat platform is built on them.....
The GOP needs to learn from the dems.....and give it back to them in their faces.
Speaking of the GOP, many of them are really progressive liberals already.........they just fooled their constituents into thinking otherwise.........many have shown their true colors and I hope and pray they lose their jobs this next election.
Here we go again, Hawk's Spin Zone. :puke: No one, absolutely no one can come close to the dirty tricks, lies these bastard Republicans pull. :yes: But what get me all of the Republican Sheeple :kneel: :sa: who believe all the lies and deceptions as if they came from god. :ghost: :jc:
Quote from: The Troll on August 02, 2017, 03:22:28 PM
Here we go again, Hawk's Spin Zone. :puke: No one, absolutely no one can come close to the dirty tricks, lies these bastard Republicans pull. :yes: But what get me all of the Republican Sheeple :kneel: :sa: who believe all the lies and deceptions as if they came from god. :ghost: :jc:
You have drank WAY toooooo much kool-aid!
I'm not a fan of President Trump, but on the world stage what would be different if Mrs. Clinton was President. Would NK drop their weapons programs, would Russia decide to be our friend? I certainly don't know what our (the US) reaction to NK and Russia should be but I don't think we should give away the farm. There is surely a middle path.
Quote from: Anne on August 02, 2017, 08:39:51 PM
I'm not a fan of President Trump, but on the world stage what would be different if Mrs. Clinton was President. Would NK drop their weapons programs, would Russia decide to be our friend? I certainly don't know what our (the US) reaction to NK and Russia should be but I don't think we should give away the farm. There is surely a middle path.
No, there is no middle ground with the dictator of North Korea and the want to be dictator of America, Trump. :no: They're both fucking crazy. :rant:
His approval rate is 33% 6 months in. Any one want to bet it will be less than 25 by the holidays?
Quote from: Palehorse on August 03, 2017, 01:19:34 AM
His approval rate is 33% 6 months in. Any one want to bet it will be less than 25 by the holidays?
If the economy continues to improve.......he will be just fine, despite what the POLLS tell us. They told us he would NOT be the next POTUS, but he was. The best determining factor will be the 2018 elections with congress and Governors......if the dems keep losing.......Trump is in for another term....THAT is my prediction.
Quote from: Anne on August 02, 2017, 08:39:51 PM
I'm not a fan of President Trump, but on the world stage what would be different if Mrs. Clinton was President. Would NK drop their weapons programs..
They did under her husband.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 03, 2017, 09:37:51 AM
If the economy continues to improve...
...which has absolutely nothing to do with him. (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/08/no-theres-no-trump-effect-in-the-stock-market/)
Quote from: Exterminator on August 03, 2017, 10:15:10 AM
They did under her husband.
Hillary is NOT Bill. Not even close.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 03, 2017, 10:16:30 AM
Hillary is NOT Bill. Not even close.
That's not what the campaign propaganda spewed. . . So which time were you guys lying? Then or now?
Quote from: Palehorse on August 03, 2017, 11:00:44 AM
That's not what the campaign propaganda spewed. . . So which time were you guys lying? Then or now?
As you once said......"don't put words in my mouth"....I'm not the "campaign". Hillary is a POS. I stand on those words all day long..... Bill, was smart enough to get things done. I may not have agreed with him on issues, but he was called "slick willie" for a reason.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 03, 2017, 10:16:30 AM
Hillary is NOT Bill. Not even close.
Don't you mean, close, but no cigar?
Quote from: Mr442 on August 03, 2017, 12:31:50 PM
Don't you mean, close, but no cigar?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 03, 2017, 10:16:30 AM
Hillary is NOT Bill. Not even close.
My point was that we wouldn't be having this conversation had Clinton's successor not made his axis of evil speech.
Quote from: Mr442 on August 03, 2017, 12:31:50 PM
Don't you mean, close, but no cigar?
Watch out. You might get sued for patent infringement over that vaginal humidor reference. 😬
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 03, 2017, 11:45:51 AM
As you once said......"don't put words in my mouth"....I'm not the "campaign". Hillary is a POS. I stand on those words all day long..... Bill, was smart enough to get things done. I may not have agreed with him on issues, but he was called "slick willie" for a reason.
Sleep with dogs and don't whine when you get fleas. You toe the hardline conservative line on a daily basis. You repeat its propaganda too, and your position finds its foundation within said propaganda.
I said it and I stand by it. Which time were you guys lying? Then or now? Or is it both?
Quote from: Palehorse on August 04, 2017, 12:27:40 AM
Sleep with dogs and don't whine when you get fleas. You toe the hardline conservative line on a daily basis. You repeat its propaganda too, and your position finds its foundation within said propaganda.
I said it and I stand by it. Which time were you guys lying? Then or now? Or is it both?
So, let me get this straight......you honestly believe that Hillary would have been as successful as her Husband, HAD she won the election? No need to call me a liar. I am not. I'm telling you straight up on my beliefs....nothing has ever changed regarding this.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 03, 2017, 10:15:10 AM
They did under her husband.
Apples and oranges, different leaders in both countries.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 04, 2017, 09:45:13 AM
So, let me get this straight......you honestly believe that Hillary would have been as successful as her Husband, HAD she won the election? No need to call me a liar. I am not. I'm telling you straight up on my beliefs....nothing has ever changed regarding this.
She'd have certainly done a far better job than that which the raging cheeto has. Hell, he's been golfing every weekend, and is now on his way to a 17 day golfing extravaganza; all at his own facilities and costing taxpayers millions to protect that Morris the cat pelt he wears on his noggin.
How about those lies of his during the campaign? Repeal Obama Care day one. Lie. Make our country great again. Lie. Prosecute Hillary. Lie. Bring jobs back to the US from foreign lands. Lie. I'll never play golf because I'll be too busy making America Great again. Lie. . . And that's just for starters. . .
Your boy is a pathological liar and narcissistic bully. He doesn't give one nanogram of a damn about you, me, or anyone else that doesn't have a personal revenue stream in the millions / billions of dollars. His arrogance and lies put him into the position he holds ; and just as he has done throughout his career he expects to impose his will, this time upon the entire country.
What do you think he will do with all of the money saved if he is successful in repealing the ACA, SS cuts, and all of the other items (lies) he said he'd do? He'll use it to strengthen the position and power of the wealthy on the backs of the have nots. (Middle class included).
Snap out of it!
All I got to say is:
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it."
"I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
How about:
Obama had promised that, unlike Bush, he would not have any lobbyists working in his administration. However, by February 2010, he had more than 40 lobbyists working in his administration.
Or how about the promise to have all of the health care reform negotiations broadcast on C-SPAN, he broke that promise after he was elected.
"The day after Benghazi happened, I acknowledged that this was an act of terrorism"
"Republicans have filibustered 500 pieces of legislation"
"More young black men languish in prison than attend colleges and universities across America"
ALL LIES! No double standard there! I won't even go down the Hillary road of lies.......
As far as Trump? He has only been there 6 mo's against the most hostile congress and media in the history of man-kind. I will wait and see, but I think he is slowly figuring out who he can trust and not trust and how to play the "game" that has to be played in the swamp.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 04, 2017, 09:45:13 AM
...you honestly believe that Hillary would have been as successful as her Husband...
No, because the political landscape has changed. (https://www.google.com/search?hl&q=how+newt+gingrich+changed+politics)
Quote from: Anne on August 04, 2017, 10:57:03 AM
Apples and oranges, different leaders in both countries.
Another person who misses the point. The same person was leading North Korea when Clinton's administration convinced them to shutter their nuclear reactors and Bush convinced them to start them back up.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 04, 2017, 01:42:33 PM
No, because the political landscape has changed. (https://www.google.com/search?hl&q=how+newt+gingrich+changed+politics)
Despite your Newt reasonings......Hillary isn't even remotely close as to being a 'Likable" candidate as her husband was........Hillary has left a trail of crooked crap since her days as first lady of Arkansas. As I said before, Bill got his Slick Willy nickname for a reason.......there is NOTHING slick about Hillary.......maybe "Slime" but not Slick.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 04, 2017, 01:49:22 PM
Despite your Newt reasonings......Hillary isn't even remotely close as to being a 'Likable" candidate as her husband was........Hillary has left a trail of crooked crap since her days as first lady of Arkansas. As I said before, Bill got his Slick Willy nickname for a reason.......there is NOTHING slick about Hillary.......maybe "Slime" but not Slick.
Wow. That's some nasty talk about both the Clintons. Since you're judging them by whether or not they were/are likable, FYI: I was working in the Pentagon when he was President. Never saw either in person, but, as for Bill, he was apparently so striking and personable that women threw themselves at him -- in fact, the Washington Post featured a stewardess who said all he had to do was ask. As for Mrs. Clinton, she showed remarkable restraint and grace under pressure with all those women going after her husband.
I don't even know how to respond to that reply....... :spooked:
That is supposed to be impressive? He was a lady's man, and cheated on her......and she is remarkable because he whored around on her and she accepted it?
Wow!! :no:
Quote from: libby on August 04, 2017, 04:51:30 PM
Wow. That's some nasty talk about both the Clintons. Since you're judging them by whether or not they were/are likable, FYI: I was working in the Pentagon when he was President. Never saw either in person, but, as for Bill, he was apparently so striking and personable that women threw themselves at him -- in fact, the Washington Post featured a stewardess who said all he had to do was ask. As for Mrs. Clinton, she showed remarkable restraint and grace under pressure with all those women going after her husband.
I find your excusing his behavior for his womanizing mostly laughable.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 04, 2017, 01:44:16 PM
Another person who misses the point. The same person was leading North Korea when Clinton's administration convinced them to shutter their nuclear reactors and Bush convinced them to start them back up.
Kim Jong-'ll in power 98 - 2011, Mr. Clinton worked very fast to convince him to drop their missile program or did he convince his father? Mr. Obama didn't seem to have a lot of success in the matter. I don't know that President Trump will either, but I seriously doubt Mrs. Clinton would have much influence with those two men. I don't think either one of them would give a thinkers d### about anything she would say.
Quote from: me on August 04, 2017, 10:53:40 PM
I find your excusing his behavior for his womanizing mostly laughable.
...says the Trump supporter. :rolleyes:
200 days with a Raging Cheeto at the helm and where are we?
Congress is still doing nothing.
Wages are still depressed.
People are still under employed.
The environment is still declining.
Healthcare is still being offered to 24 million people that otherwise would not have it.
Corporate America still rules .
None of his campaign promises have been kept.
The list goes on and on. . . :rant:
Quote from: me on August 04, 2017, 10:53:40 PM
I find your excusing his behavior for his womanizing mostly laughable.
And yet you're fine with "grab 'em by the *****. " 🙄
Quote from: Anne on August 05, 2017, 12:28:26 AM
Kim Jong-'ll in power 98 - 2011, Mr. Clinton worked very fast to convince him to drop their missile program or did he convince his father?
No, he came into power in '94 when his father died but he was the de-facto person in charge since he became the Supreme Commander of the army in '91.
QuoteMr. Obama didn't seem to have a lot of success in the matter. I don't know that President Trump will either, but I seriously doubt Mrs. Clinton would have much influence with those two men. I don't think either one of them would give a thinkers d### about anything she would say.
No has had any success since
Bush fucked that relationship up.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 07, 2017, 11:15:58 AM
And yet you're fine with "grab 'em by the *****. " 🙄
Those were words spoken in a private conversation long ago and he didn't say he did he said he could. Why is it you excuse Clinton and other dems who actually do the deed and keep going back to something spoken long ago by a republican?
Quote from: me on August 08, 2017, 12:17:26 AM
Those were words spoken in a private conversation long ago and he didn't say he did he said he could. Why is it you excuse Clinton and other dems who actually do the deed and keep going back to something spoken long ago by a republican?
Are you suggesting that Donald Trump didn't cheat on Ivana with Marla Maples?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 08, 2017, 08:58:05 AM
Are you suggesting that Donald Trump didn't cheat on Ivana with Marla Maples?
Did Kennedy cheat on Jaquline with Marilyn, did Bill cheat on Hillary with Monica and countless others? What's yer point?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 08, 2017, 08:58:05 AM
Are you suggesting that Donald Trump didn't cheat on Ivana with Marla Maples?
Not when he was the POTUS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 08, 2017, 10:55:40 AM
Not when he was the POTUS.
Who cares when it happened?
". . .He plays more golf than Tiger Woods. When I'm President I will be too busy working for you. I won't have time to play golf." ~ Donald J. Trump
And yet, he continues to play golf at his courses across the nation.
"Repeal and replace! Day one." - Day 201 and it still hasn't happened. (Nor is it likely to. As usual Congress is stalling, going on a month long break, and doing NOTHING).
Liar of epic proportions and yet his minions kneel and lick his. . .boots. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
His credibility is in the toilet as well as his approval rating. He has done less than any other modern day president within his first 200 days of office.
His sole accomplishments are trashing the reputation of the office he holds, pissing off world leaders with his saber rattling, as well as his peers in government. 59% of American citizens are of the opinion he cannot effectively manage government. (And growing). 100% of world leaders believe he is in over his head and a blowhard. :yes: :mad:
It scares then hell out of me to think this asshat has control of our military, and for those of us with children currently serving in the military that alone is enough to keep you up at night; worrying that he will send the fruit of our loins off to slaughter in some tirade of idiocy.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 08, 2017, 12:01:24 PM
". . .He plays more golf than Tiger Woods. When I'm President I will be too busy working for you. I won't play golf." ~ Donald J. Trump
And yet, he continues to play golf at his courses across the nation.
"Repeal and replace! Day one." - Day 201 and it still hasn't happened. (Nor is it likely to. As usual Congress is stalling, going on a month long break, and doing NOTHING).
Liar of epic proportions and yet his minions kneel and lick his. . .boots. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,"
nuff said.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 08, 2017, 11:34:36 AM
Who cares when it happened?
I can care less what he did with his personal life before ....... I DO care when they are in charge of our Nation.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 08, 2017, 12:07:16 PM
"If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,"
nuff said.
Do you like yours?
They repeal it and you'll pay 2.5 times the monthly premiums you are currently paying. (Remember, you heard it here).
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 08, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
I can care less what he did with his personal life before ....... I DO care when they are in charge of our Nation.
No you don't. If you did you'd be wailing to the heavens over his shenanigans and a continuous do nothing congress.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 08, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
I can care less what he did with his personal life before ....... I DO care when they are in charge of our Nation.
I see. Apparently there is a double standard between Trump and, say, Obama, who was widely criticized for things he had said or written decades earlier or even things a pastor at his church said many years before he was running for president. Hypocritical much?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 08, 2017, 01:23:22 PM
I see. Apparently there is a double standard between Trump and, say, Obama, who was widely criticized for things he had said or written decades earlier or even things a pastor at his church said many years before he was running for president. Hypocritical much?
Oh please, not even close to the same thing here.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 08, 2017, 12:10:36 PM
Do you like yours?
They repeal it and you'll pay 2.5 times the monthly premiums you are currently paying. (Remember, you heard it here).
Well, then you guys would win in 2018 then......so, why the fight? You are willing to waste time with this Russia fiasco.....
If my price goes up......then I won't be voting for them next election.....people vote with their billfolds.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 08, 2017, 12:12:20 PM
No you don't. If you did you'd be wailing to the heavens over his shenanigans and a continuous do nothing congress.
I'm specifically talking about Trump. I don't care if he was or was not..........cheating on is wife 25 years ago. I do care if he is getting a BJ from a 19-year old Intern in the Oval Office..........like a certain POTUS we once had.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 08, 2017, 01:23:22 PM
I see. Apparently there is a double standard between Trump and, say, Obama, who was widely criticized for things he had said or written decades earlier or even things a pastor at his church said many years before he was running for president. Hypocritical much?
You guys are writing the book on double standards and Hypocrisy....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 08, 2017, 02:29:58 PM
You guys are writing the book on double standards and Hypocrisy....
Fucking please. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on August 08, 2017, 01:35:59 PM
Oh please, not even close to the same thing here.
You've got that right!
Quote from: Exterminator on August 08, 2017, 02:36:11 PM
Fucking please. :rolleyes:
So, its okay to attack the POTUS if YOU guys don't like him, but when WE even disagree with YOUR potus, we are racist, bigots or just horrible people??? right...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 08, 2017, 02:27:16 PM
. . . ..people vote with their billfolds.
And yours, mine, and I dare say everyone on this forum combined, cannot equal, much less beat, the billfold of ONE multimillionaire or corporation. So guess which one wins if your methodology is in fact true and powerful? And guess who gets kicked to the curb? (Here's a hint:99%)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 08, 2017, 02:44:54 PM
So, its okay to attack the POTUS if YOU guys don't like him, but when WE even disagree with YOUR potus, we are racist, bigots or just horrible people??? right...
Big difference between the two. In one the rhetoric and propaganda are based upon lies and racial based hatred.
In the other the opposition is based upon facts and data derived from ongoing investigations. Which have yet to be concluded.
If you don't see that . . . As I've said before, sleep with dogs and don't complain when you get fleas.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 08, 2017, 02:27:16 PM
. . . so, why the fight? You are willing to waste time with this Russia fiasco.....
. . .
Is this nation wasting time ? Thus far it doesn't appear to be the case. Moreover, let's remember the 8 plus years you guys wasted on a birth certificate (after it was produced) , and raging against and trying to repeal the ACA.
Then there are the 8 plus years you guys had to come up with a better replacement and / or a fix, and a slew of campaign promises to repeal and replace "day one". All epic failures and astounding waste of money and time.
And you seriously want to talk about hypocrisy? How about all the caterwauling you did when Obama went on vacation or played golf? The Raging Cheeto goes on vacation every single weekend to golf courses he owns and not a peep from you. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 08, 2017, 02:27:16 PM
You are willing to waste time with this Russia fiasco.....
I can understand why someone who never served his country in any capacity whatsoever might not understand the importance of establishing to what extent the very fabric of our democracy is/was under attack by a hostile foreign power but it still doesn't make it right. :rolleyes:
When Trump threatens, "fire and fury like the world has never seen," he sounds exactly like Kim Jong-Un. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on August 09, 2017, 07:56:10 AM
When Trump threatens, "fire and fury like the world has never seen," he sounds exactly like Kim Jong-Un. :rolleyes:
Indeed!
Remember when you wrote these words a few months back?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 10, 2016, 10:50:32 AM
Outside of Trump starting a nuclear war, I doubt I'll suffer much at all but people like Henry and 'me' will and they deserve everything they get.
Given Trump's braggadocio, it's sounding like it's not such an unlikely possibility as we thought at the time.
It's almost like a scary story that starts out, "So there were these two weirdos with heinous hairdos and nukes..."
Suckers.
But but.....
I've been trying for probably an hour to write something about how I feel about the "narcissistic maniac" we call POTUS, but I keep losing it, so let me try once more: he scares the xxxx out of me!
Quote from: libby on August 09, 2017, 06:15:05 PM
I've been trying for probably an hour to write something about how I feel about the "narcissistic maniac" we call POTUS, but I keep losing it, so let me try once more: he scares the xxxx out of me!
:big grin: :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 09, 2017, 06:20:46 PM
:big grin: :yes:
I heard the same crap when Reagan was POTUS.......... :rolleyes:
Not that I'm advocating starting world war III but how is North Korea's having responded with a threat to Trump's promise of "fire and fury" if they make any more threats different from Obama's red line in Syria that conservatives spewed about for years? The only difference that I see is that Syria was never a threat to the U.S. and North Korea is.
Either way, the last thing the world needs is two lunatics with nuclear weapons engaging in a international dick measuring contest. :rolleyes:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/09/e3/ad09e3ba5c6da426232399a044ed14ea.jpg)
Quote from: Exterminator on August 10, 2017, 08:14:52 AM
Not that I'm advocating starting world war III but how is North Korea's having responded with a threat to Trump's promise of "fire and fury" if they make any more threats different from Obama's red line in Syria that conservatives spewed about for years? The only difference that I see is that Syria was never a threat to the U.S. and North Korea is.
Either way, the last thing the world needs is two lunatics with nuclear weapons engaging in a international dick measuring contest. :rolleyes:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ad/09/e3/ad09e3ba5c6da426232399a044ed14ea.jpg)
Pretty much sums it up.
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Locked and loaded? Seriously? 😡
The Raging Cheeto needs to lay off the caffeine and testosterone.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 11, 2017, 11:20:17 AM
Locked and loaded? Seriously? 😡
The Raging Cheeto needs to lay off the caffeine and testosterone.
This one really has me wondering, it's damn if we don't and damn if we do. :yes: :eek: But if we must, we have to kill the son of a bitch and all of the top generals. Whip out the whole military structure. :rant: Instead of atomic weapons, I think we should use chemical weapons. You spread it all over your enemies, wait 24 hours and go in and count the dead. :dead:
With these crazy Korean leaders who are no more than animals, no quarter should be give. I was in the Chemical Corp over 50 years a go and we had chemicals that were horrible and I am quite sure we have chemical weapons how that would make the old weapons little of nothing.
I think with chemical agents we could wipe out the 10,000 artillery pieces and cannons in one swoop. The bastards wouldn't know what hit them. Because you can't see it, smell it or taste and it 24 hours the agent is harmless, just dead Koreans with their dead fingers on the triggers. :wink: :rant:
Virginia White Nationalist event has erupted in violence and the governor has declared a state of emergency there. And now one of the white supremacists have driven a car into a crowd of protestors against their racism.
This is a direct result of the ongoing growth of racism in this nation, and the GOP's constant spewing of hate and malice toward all but the rich conservative jackasses they serve. :rant: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I heard crickets by Obama about healing when Ferguson riots broke out, rather more of an attitude that spurred it!
Same during Trayvon Martin, the Dallas cop killing, and several other incidents.
I am putting the same standards w/Trump...lets condone any violence! Despite who incites it...but we got to protect our 1st amendment...you can't drive into a crowd no mater who they are...you can't use violence to stop speakers from speaking colleges... say what you will about the GOP.... it has been the progressive crowd leading the pack on senseless violence against our 1st amendment.
"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides."
Moments ago at a press conference, President Donald J. Trump addressed the violence occurring in Charlottesville, Virginia. http://fxn.ws/2vwA1pb
Why do I feel like Trump being elected President set in motion something evil .... tipped the scale maybe? ....
Quote from: libby on August 12, 2017, 10:43:54 PM
Why do I feel like Trump being elected President set in motion something evil .... tipped the scale maybe? ....
No question about it in my mind.
He has been endorsed by hatred and ran a campaign filled with it. What happened today in Charlottesville is just another symptom of the last 11 years of political hatred based upon racism. . .
I've read some of the commentary on social media and it just makes me sick to my stomach. How can so many be so filled with hatred and blind? :eek: Some were actually blaming protestors saying they were blocking the streets, and that the White Supremacists were just rallying in protest of the removal of confederate flags and statues. :roll eyes:
Civil war is coming folks. . . :mad:
Quote from: libby on August 12, 2017, 10:43:54 PM
Why do I feel like Trump being elected President set in motion something evil .... tipped the scale maybe? ....
Quote from: Palehorse on August 12, 2017, 11:45:32 PM
No question about it in my mind.
He has been endorsed by hatred and ran a campaign filled with it. What happened today in Charlottesville is just another symptom of the last 11 years of political hatred based upon racism. . .
Agreed. Seems like a lot of white men are scared of a future where everyone is truly equal. Why didn't Trump call out the white supremacists specifically and condemn their actions? The whole situation saddens me.
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 13, 2017, 12:15:09 AM
Agreed. Seems like a lot of white men are scared of a future where everyone is truly equal. Why didn't Trump call out the white supremacists specifically and condemn their actions? The whole situation saddens me.
Thankfully Ivanka openly condemned the racisim, hate, and Nazism; in direct terms.
I guess daddy doesn't want to give up his Grand Wizard sheets. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 12, 2017, 05:33:47 PM
"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides."
Moments ago at a press conference, President Donald J. Trump addressed the violence occurring in Charlottesville, Virginia. http://fxn.ws/2vwA1pb
Typical racist response. Don't call out the people responsible for
this incident.
From the NY Times: "...this is the same president who routinely mocked and attacked Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton for failing to call Islamic radicalism by its name. In Charlottesville, evil has a name, and it is white supremacy"
Over 400,000 Americans of all colors died in WW2, fighting the idea that one race is superior to others.
Anyone who starts trying to deflect or defend the ridiculous behavior of the nazi scum in Charlottesville should be introduced to the nearest WW2 veteran and be prepared to get punched squarely in the face.
They should then apologize to the veteran for thinking so little of their service and sacrifice that they'd support nazis in America.
Here's a man sounding a hell of a lot more "Presidential" than the raging cheeto ever will. Here is a man saying something I agree with 110%:
Quote
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER·SUNDAY, AUGUST 13, 2017
I have been horrified by the images of Nazis and white supremacists marching in Charlottesville and I was heartbroken that a domestic terrorist took an innocent life. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of Heather Heyer, Lt. Cullen, and Trooper-Pilot Bates.
While these so-called "white nationalists" are lucky to live in a country that defends their right to voice their awful, incorrect, hateful opinions, the rest of us must use our voices and resources to condemn hate and teach tolerance at every opportunity.
My message to them is simple: you will not win. Our voices are louder and stronger. There is no white America - there is only the United States of America. You were not born with these hateful views - you can change, grow, and evolve, and I suggest you start immediately.
Today, I'm sending $100,000 to an anti-hate organization I've worked with for decades - the Simon Wiesenthal Center, named after the great Nazi hunter who I was lucky to call a friend. I have spoken to its founder, Rabbi Marvin Hier, and I know that my contribution can help advance the Center's mission of expanding tolerance through education and fighting hate all over America - in the streets and online. My dream is that all of you will join me in helping your favorite anti-hate organizations in any way you can.
United, we are greater than the hatred we saw this weekend.
Well said Mr Schwarzenegger! 8)
What is not Presidential about these words.....
"We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America.
Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God,"
He also stated that....."anyone who acted criminally will be held "fully accountable."
He has already has put Attorney General Jeff Sessions and FBI Director Christopher Wray to open a civil rights probe into this attack.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 14, 2017, 02:20:49 PM
What is not Presidential about these words.....
That they're days late and he only read these remarks after his handlers explained the repercussions of the growing public backlash.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 14, 2017, 03:16:50 PM
That they're days late and he only read these remarks after his handlers explained the repercussions of the growing public backlash.
Bullcrap! Just minutes after it happened he stated the following: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides."
It is much better of a response than Obama's when Kathryn Steinle was murdered by an illegal immigrant who already had 7 felony convictions!...by the way, he was SILENT!
Of course he was extremely quick on Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and Freddie Gray.....as it turned out, TOO quick.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 14, 2017, 04:18:14 PM
Bullcrap! Just minutes after it happened he stated the following: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides."
It is much better of a response than Obama's when Kathryn Steinle was murdered by an illegal immigrant who already had 7 felony convictions!...by the way, he was SILENT!
Of course he was extremely quick on Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and Freddie Gray.....as it turned out, TOO quick.
:confused: :spooked: :no: Sometimes there are no words ....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 14, 2017, 02:20:49 PM
What is not Presidential about these words.... . . .
That it took him DAYS to utter them.
That his Jewish daughter said them first.
That they were spoken by a lying buffoon . . .
It's a long list. . .
Two of the Corporate Gods you kneel to agreed. They resigned from Trumps committee .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 14, 2017, 04:18:14 PM
Bullcrap! Just minutes after it happened he stated the following: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides, on many sides."
It is much better of a response than Obama's when Kathryn Steinle was murdered by an illegal immigrant who already had 7 felony convictions!...by the way, he was SILENT!
Of course he was extremely quick on Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and Freddie Gray.....as it turned out, TOO quick.
If you're going to include the thousands of murders in your continuing slandering of the reputation of the former POTUS, then be prepared because the Raging Cheeto is doing much worse. . .
Quote from: libby on August 15, 2017, 12:08:23 AM
:confused: :spooked: :no: Sometimes there are no words ....
I've come to expect no less. :rolleyes:
You can't fix stupid.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 15, 2017, 01:24:04 AM
Two of the Corporate Gods you kneel to agreed. They resigned from Trumps committee .
It's 3 now...
Libby, I too am without words!! I am honestly stunned by the actions of the progressive crowd these days........the kool-aid drinking is at an all-time high. It comes down to this.
Those who hate Trump...Hate Trump.
Those who supported Trump....Support Trump.
It wouldn't matter if Trump found a cure for cancer.........the "Haters" will find something to find fault with his findings. THAT I AM 100% CERTAIN OF.
PH, it did not take "days" for him to say what YOU wanted to hear. It took a DAY.
The words he muttered immediately following the incident were correct. He, unlike Obama, waited to hear ALL of the FACTS before he spoke.
If you remember correctly, Obama was blowing off after Trayvon, Ferguson, the Cambridge Police Dept incident....in EACH case, he was proven wrong, yet he DID INDEED incite violence by his ability to NOT to get it right. He even sent the DOJ to Michael Browns funeral......only to later find out that he was a THUG, who attacked a Cop.
Honestly, I have never seen hypocrisy this rampart........EVER!
I will stand my ground with pride, that Trump is by FAR the best pick available in this last election, and given time, will make our economy the best we have ever seen in our lifetime.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 15, 2017, 08:15:50 AM
Those who supported wanted to suck Trump's dick....Supportstill want to suck Trump's dick.
Fixed this for you.
That you seriously can't see the differences in the parallels you attempt to draw is astounding. Tell us all again how you aren't a bigot...we love that story. :rolleyes:
If You Voted for Him by John Pavlovitz
If you voted for him, I really need you to hear something right now:
I believe you.
I believe you when you say that you're not a racist.
I believe you when you say that you're not a bigot.
I believe you when you say you're not homophobic.
I believe you when you say you're not a misogynist.
I believe you when you say you're not an Islamophobe.
I believe you when you say you're not an anti-Semite.
I believe you when you say that you don't condone violence and discrimination and bullying.
But I won't keep believing you if you remain silent.
I know you had legitimate reasons for voting for him; things that either real or imagined, genuinely moved you to your decision and that you wrestled with these reasons greatly. But I don't care about those reasons; not because I don't care about you or value you or want to understand you or because I don't respect your road, but because those reasons can't help those who are hurting or threatened right now—only your response can.
You see, regardless of why you voted for him, you did vote for him. Your affirmation of him and your elevation of him to this position, came with what you knew about him:
It came after hearing the horrible, degrading, vile things he said about women.
It came after hearing him encourage his supporters to be violent with protestors.
It came after he advocated for Muslims to be expelled and profiled.
It came after he made fun of a man with physical disability.
It came after he framed the BlackLivesMatter movement as criminal and subversive.
It came after he personally criticized the appearance and weight and sexual activity of women opponents.
It came after he chose a Vice President who believes gay people can pray away their gayness.
It came after the KKK and the neo-Nazis endorsed him.
These were all things you had to weigh to cast your vote, and by whatever method you used, you declared theses things within your morally acceptable parameters. You deemed these part of the "lesser of two evils". In voting your conscience—these things made the cut.
And so the whys of your vote matter less now than the who of your vote. That person is here, and everything happening now is the reality you and I need to deal with together. Both of our intentions have to yield to the moment we stand in together.
And I need you speak now. If the acts of violence toward people of color and the harassment of the Muslim community and the anti-Semitic graffiti and the misogynistic assaults on women make you sick; if they are not your heart, if they are not acceptable, if they are not who you are—say so.
And if the appointment of a chief advisor to the President who has shown blatant, explicit, incendiary hatred for people of color and Jewish people and the Muslim community, is not what you consented to with your vote, you need to say that too.
I want to believe that you do value equality and diversity and in the inherent value of every person as much as I do. I want to believe that people are precious to you, no matter their color or gender or faith tradition or sexual orientation. But if you refuse to speak into the events of these days, if you choose to stay silent, whether out of fear or shame or buyer's remorse or ambivalence—I will have no choice but to believe that you are okay with all of this.
And here's the thing, friend: If you were to say that you are not okay with all of this, if you were to stand up to the bigots and the racists and the misogynists and the homophobes and the anti-Semites and the xenophobes—you will find that I will stand with you. I will live and work and worship alongside you, and you will find me a willing, available, and caring partner in the crafting of the future of this country. I promise you.
I will not hold your vote against you, because I trust that you arrived at that vote as carefully, prayerfully, and seriously as I did mine.
But make no mistake, I will hold your silence now against you.
I will hold your inaction against you.
I will hold your refusal to see the pain of those your vote has at least in some part, initiated against you.
I will hold your lack of compassion for the marginalized against you.
So yes, I believe you are not the horrible things I am seeing from the hateful, vicious, intolerant few from the fringes, but that belief comes with the expectation that I will hear you now; that you will shout to the fringes that this is not what you meant by making America great.
It comes with the expectation that you will tell the President and your elected officials and your pastors, that these things do not have a place in the country you desire.
It comes with the expectation that you speak now to the marginalized, and that you reiterate their worth, hear their grief, validate their fear, and that you come to their defense in both word and in tangible support.
Friend, you may feel like you are being attacked these days, but you're not. You're being challenged to be the person you tell us you are.
If you voted for him I do not believe that automatically makes you the enemy.
Only your silence in the face of this hatred can do that.
Please speak, so I can know you.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 15, 2017, 08:15:50 AM
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PH, it did not take "days" for him to say what YOU wanted to hear. It took a DAY. . .
The event transpired on Saturday. . .
He did not make the denouncement until Monday. . .
His own daughter denounced the hate groups within 24 hours. 24 hours.
It took the Raging Cheeto much longer than that. . . And the resignations of members of his manufacturing council. . . Who he is now trying to bully via social media for standing up for what is morally and socially right.
This is a prime example of his self centered narcissistic methodologies.☠️
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 15, 2017, 08:15:50 AM
If you remember correctly, Obama was blowing off after Trayvon, Ferguson, the Cambridge Police Dept incident....in EACH case, he was proven wrong, yet he DID INDEED incite violence by his ability to NOT to get it right. He even sent the DOJ to Michael Browns funeral......only to later find out that he was a THUG, who attacked a Cop.
i noticed this is being brushed over.....it is the same "type" of crap that you are pissed at Trump at.
Trump, actually WAITED until he got FACTS before he said the driver was a white supremacist....HE DID, make it quite clear that HE condemns in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides....because there was violence from both sides......
When he got EXACTLY what happened.....he denounced the KKK and all of those groups. Do you honestly believe he has any reason to support them? Do you think people like myself wouldn't be outraged if he DID? c'mon!
Do you think that group that came to protest against the KKK was there to be peaceful? Both sides SUCK! There is NO ROOM for violence, what-so-ever! No mater how much you disagree with anyone, we have the First Amendment!!
If the protesters would have not went to that BULLSHIT KKK or whoever it was.........none of this would have made the news. They bought into it, and BAM! It's news.
Trump didn't start this in any, way, shape or form. If he would have personally SHOT the kid that drove his car in the crowd........the left would have bitched about that!
He cannot ever win with those who voted against him...............your minds are made up.
I still say, if the democrats would not have been so arrogant and put nearly anyone else in there but Hillary, we wouldn't be talking about Trump right now.
To me, it appears as if the bullies lost, and they don't know how to deal with it, so they are going to pout, cry and whine until they can figure out a way to over throw our current government ..... instead of merely going to the polls and voting in a person that do what they want, by the books.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 15, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
i noticed this is being brushed over.....it is the same "type" of crap that you are pissed at Trump at.
Obama isn't the president any more but he did speak on each of these issues. He just didn't say what you wanted to hear.
QuoteTrump, actually WAITED until he got FACTS before he said the driver was a white supremacist...
Are you seriously suggesting that the impetuous man-child doesn't routinely spout off about virtually everything before he knows the facts? Give us a break! Aside from that, he isn't being criticized for not speaking out against the person driving the car; he's being criticized for not speaking out against white supremacists carrying torches and nazi flags...nazi fucking flags! When he was asked directly by a reporter if he would denounce these groups, he refused to do so, walking away from the podium instead.
QuoteDo you think that group that came to protest against the KKK was there to be peaceful? Both sides SUCK! There is NO ROOM for violence, what-so-ever! No mater how much you disagree with anyone, we have the First Amendment!!
If the protesters would have not went to that BULLSHIT KKK or whoever it was.........none of this would have made the news. They bought into it, and BAM! It's news.
So it's our fault that over 400,000 of our service members died in WWII because we should have just stayed home and minded our own business? I guess Major Davis was right in your mind when he said it was police officer Perry Renn's fault he was killed because he should have stayed in his car, huh?
Here's a clue for you: sometimes it is necessary to resort to violence to combat evil. If you don't stand against people like these, you're one of them, plain and simple.
QuoteTrump didn't start this in any, way, shape or form.
Bullshit!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 12, 2017, 05:16:01 PM
I heard crickets by Obama about healing when Ferguson riots broke out, rather more of an attitude that spurred it!
Same during Trayvon Martin, the Dallas cop killing, and several other incidents.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 15, 2017, 08:15:50 AM
If you remember correctly, Obama was blowing off after Trayvon, Ferguson, the Cambridge Police Dept incident....in EACH case, he was proven wrong, yet he DID INDEED incite violence by his ability to NOT to get it right. He even sent the DOJ to Michael Browns funeral......only to later find out that he was a THUG, who attacked a Cop.
Read the two quotes above and then listen watch this video. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/14/1689733/-Watch-this-video-from-HBO-re-Charlottesville?detail=facebook) Pay special attention to what the guy says starting at about the 2:40 mark.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 15, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
Read the two quotes above and then listen watch this video. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/14/1689733/-Watch-this-video-from-HBO-re-Charlottesville?detail=facebook) Pay special attention to what the guy says starting at about the 2:40 mark.
He memorized his script well however I can't say the delivery was beliveable if that was supposed to be an interview off the cuff.
Quote from: me on August 15, 2017, 01:24:56 PM
He memorized his script well however I can't say the delivery was beliveable if that was supposed to be an interview off the cuff.
I'm sure he's been spewing the same racist rhetoric for so long it comes to him easily at this point.
If you're suggesting this is a "leftist" plant who was there to make the poor, nazi flag carrying, peaceful protesters look bad, you're an idiot. They give his name and it took like literally 30 seconds for me to establish that he's exactly who he says he is. (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/christopher-cantwell)
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on August 15, 2017, 01:58:50 PM
I'm sure he's been spewing the same racist rhetoric for so long it comes to him easily at this point.
If you're suggesting this is a "leftist" plant who was there to make the poor, nazi flag carrying, peaceful protesters look bad, you're an idiot. They give his name and it took like literally 30 seconds for me to establish that he's exactly who he says he is. (https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/christopher-cantwell)
Quote from: me on August 15, 2017, 02:40:48 PM
:rolleyes:
What?
It blows me away that you two are essentially defending people who are carrying nazi flags on U.S. soil.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 15, 2017, 02:49:47 PM
What?
It blows me away that you two are essentially defending people who are carrying nazi flags on U.S. soil.
It isn't the right who's trying to shut the opposition down and erase/change history, or take down statues.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 15, 2017, 02:49:47 PM
It blows me away that you two are essentially defending people who are carrying nazi flags on U.S. soil.
Stop it right now pal..........where did you EVER get the notion, I am defending those butt wipes?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 15, 2017, 01:13:55 PM
Read the two quotes above and then listen watch this video. (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/14/1689733/-Watch-this-video-from-HBO-re-Charlottesville?detail=facebook) Pay special attention to what the guy says starting at about the 2:40 mark.
Don't try to tie me that POS.........you are just generating fake news like CNN does.
Everything I have stated is true.........that doesn't have jack shit to do with race, my point was, Obama was quick to defend those cases BEFORE he had any facts to support his statements........in every case, he was proven wrong.
Quote from: me on August 15, 2017, 04:03:57 PM
It isn't the right who's trying to shut the opposition down and erase/change history, or take down statues.
The opposition? They're fucking nazis! Which part of this is difficult for your to wrap your little pea brain around? Who else would you defend if they agreed with your warped ideology...pedophiles?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 15, 2017, 04:46:11 PM
Don't try to tie me that POS.........you are just generating fake news like CNN does.
I don't have to tie you to him...you did so when you said almost verbatim exactly what he did. Perhaps you should give that some thought.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHT4dbMXYAAvtUJ.jpg)
BTW, you boy showed his true colors yesterday. Just couldn't keep his mouth shut... :rolleyes:
"You know what worries me? It's not that a group of racist idiots lit some tiki torches and decided to have a rally. I worry that on Monday they'll go back to their job in human resources and decide who gets hired and who gets fired. They'll put their uniform back on and 'serve and protect.' They'll sit on a jury and decide the fate of a young person of color. They'll teach in a kindergarten class. They'll sit across from a couple, who came to this country, worked hard and saved, and have the power to approve or deny them a loan to purchase their first home. They'll decide an insurance claim. They'll give an estimate to repair the brakes on a mother's only mode of transportation to get to work each day. I don't stay up lamenting the fact that racists feel emboldened to parade in the street. I stay up because racists have, do, and will apply their racist beliefs in their daily lives and, by extension mine, and they don't do it carrying a banner to distinguish themselves. It isn't the theatrical that worries me. It's the practical."
- unknown author
Here is antifa today:
(http://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/169medium/public/uploads/2017/08/antifa_charlottesville_3_gi.jpg?itok=PKsBMgBZ)
(http://analysans.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/1464527242768.jpg)
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Whatever. Your attempts to defend nazis is morally repugnant. :rolleyes:
Unbefuckinlievable. . . These racist assholes incite a fight with their messages and acts of hate, moving those protesting same to emotional overload, and yes conflict, then one of these racist assholes drives a car into a crowd of them while peacefully marching, and somehow it is their fault?
Thousands, tens of thousands of Americans gave their lives in staunchly standing against the insidious ideals of these racists assholes. Yet decades later when Americans peacefully stand against these very SAME ideals and are incited to violence it is their fault?
The Raging Cheeto and his henchmen had best get their heads out of their asses ! :mad: :mad:
Quote from: me on August 15, 2017, 04:03:57 PM
It isn't the right who's trying to shut the opposition down and erase/change history, or take down statues.
Only because the ideology of the powerful amongst the right is based upon racism. . . Fact that the minion refuse to see or acknowledge.
I saw this coming during the campaign cycle for Obama's first Presidential run. I've said it numerous times; "This country is electing sheet wearing racists to positions of power. . .". And now you've gone and put one into the Oval Office.
No surprise here surrounding how we now find him placing blame on the victims of racism. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: He is an arrogant blowhard buffoon!
". . .without a permit. . ." Seriously? A piece of paper overrides morality? WTF????
Quote from: Palehorse on August 16, 2017, 11:44:36 AM
Thousands, tens hundreds of thousands of Americans gave their lives in staunchly standing against the insidious ideals of these racists assholes. Yet decades later when Americans peacefully stand against these very SAME ideals and are incited to violence it is their fault?
Fixed this for you.
Palehorse!!
NOBODY is defending those Nazi bastards! NO ONE! I just think it is important to point out that Antifa has been committing violent acts of protest on several occassions.........Remember Berkley? Several Trump Rallies? Those guys have been destroying property and having non-peaceful protests for a long time now....
If they had let the Nazi bastards speak ( and like it or not, we have a 1st amendment that allows them too)... there would be no story.
The antifa came ready to fight!
We need to condemn anybody who wants to be violent and destroy private/public property!!!
THAT is what is Unbefuckinlievable!
Let ME be clear, BOTH SIDE ARE FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT!
It is my beliefs that this violence is being spurred on by the "Establishment" to overthrow our current Government...they consist of dems and repubs that are on the same side and have been for years, who have been bought and paid for by the "Establishment". They are having a meltdown ever since Trump won and they are going to defeat him no mater the cost. The media is part of them.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 16, 2017, 12:41:47 PM
Palehorse!!
NOBODY is defending those Nazi bastards! NO ONE! I just think it is important to point out that Antifa has been committing violent acts of protest on several occassions.........Remember Berkley? Several Trump Rallies? Those guys have been destroying property and having non-peaceful protests for a long time now....
When you equate the people protesting the nazis with the nazis, you are absolutely defending them.
QuoteThe antifa came ready to fight!
Uh, excuse me but many of the white supremacists came there wearing helmets and bullet-proof vests and were carrying clubs and rifles. They were looking for a fight.
QuoteIt is my beliefs that this violence is being spurred on by the "Establishment" to overthrow our current Government...they consist of dems and repubs that are on the same side and have been for years, who have been bought and paid for by the "Establishment". They are having a meltdown ever since Trump won and they are going to defeat him no mater the cost. The media is part of them.
LMFAO! Really? A conspiracy theory? Take your meds. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 01:05:45 PM
When you equate the people protesting the nazis with the nazis, you are absolutely defending them.
You are nuts. The only thing I am defending is our Constitution.
Personally, if the Nazi's and White Supremacist got eliminated this would be a better Nation.......I'm with you.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 01:05:45 PM
Uh, excuse me but many of the white supremacists came there wearing helmets and bullet-proof vests and were carrying clubs and rifles. They were looking for a fight.
I know! Never said they didn't.........Can you admit, that antifa was also there to attack them? They both got what they wanted. Antifa is NOT good either is all I would like to see someone on here who claims they are independent thinkers admit.
I will shout from my lungs that any form of BIGOTRY is bad! Racism is HORRIBLE! I am against any form of white supremacy!! And, anyone who attacks protesters with violence is also bad.......Antifa has been doing this for several weeks now.....They are a pebble or two away from the KKK as far as being good for America.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 16, 2017, 01:36:08 PM
Can you admit, that antifa was also there to attack them?
Nazis = bad.
Anti-Nazi's = good.
Did you not learn this as a child?
Virtually everyone in the world is now criticizing Trump for equating anti-hate groups with hate groups and the only people who don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that they are not the same thing are the hate groups, Trump and a couple of people on this forum. Hmmmm....
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 02:20:11 PM
Virtually everyone in the world is now criticizing Trump for equating anti-hate groups with hate groups and the only people who don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that they are not the same thing are the hate groups, Trump and a couple of people on this forum. Hmmmm....
Where did you come up with the idea that the Antifa was not ai hate group anyway? BLM, the Antifa, KKK, and Nazi's are all hate groups. Why is the left upset because Trump condemned all the hate groups including the ones who are on the left? If you think about it ever the pu$$y hat women are a violent group.
Quote from: me on August 16, 2017, 03:02:19 PM
Where did you come up with the idea that the Antifa was not ai hate group anyway?
What is it they hate?
"Both sides" did not come armed with long guns.
"Both sides" did not come armed with sticks.
"Both sides" did not come in para-military gear.
"Both sides" did not come with Nazi flags.
"Both sides" did not come with Confederate flags.
"Both sides" were not giving the Nazi salute,
"Both sides" did not drive a car into a crowd of people with the intent of killing and maiming.
It was only one side that did that.
That side was the one chanting "Make America Great Again", "Take America Back", "Blood and Soil".
That side is emboldened by those who talk about both sides being responsible.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 03:11:00 PM
What is it they hate?
Are you serious? They obviously hate all those statues they're hell bent on tearing down, rather Hitler like I might add. They don't let, or yell down, or threaten any right wing speakers at colleges. Hum, isn't that shutting down the opposition?
Quote from: me on August 16, 2017, 03:41:16 PM
Are you serious? They obviously hate all those statues they're hell bent on tearing down, rather Hitler like I might add.
The citizens of Charlottesville voted to tear down the statue of Robert E. Lee. Should the Germans have statues of Hitler as well?
QuoteThey don't let, or yell down, or threaten any right wing speakers at colleges. Hum, isn't that shutting down the opposition?
Yes, it is because the opposition is spewing hateful rhetoric. Are you saying that antifa is a hate group because they hate hate?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 03:55:42 PM
The citizens of Charlottesville voted to tear down the statue of Robert E. Lee. Should the Germans have statues of Hitler as well?
Yes, it is because the opposition is spewing hateful rhetoric. Are you saying that antifa is a hate group because they hate hate?
Hum, weren't they the ones destroying businesses and cars not too long ago becase Trump was elected? Who is it that goes around beating on people who happen to have on Trump hats or clothing?
Here is a little rundown on your precious Atifa group from CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html
What is Antifa?
By Jessica Suerth, CNN
Updated 7:20 AM ET, Tue August 15, 2017
Source: CNN
Perspective on Charlottesville violence 04:26
Story highlights
A controversial protest group, known as Antifa, clashed with right-wingers in Charlottesville
Some members employ radical or militant tactics to get their message across
(CNN)After protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, turned violent on Saturday, leaving one person dead and dozens injured, the world is still grappling with what happened, who was involved and why.
Hundreds of white nationalists took to the streets over the weekend to protest the removal of a Gen. Robert E. Lee statue. But members of a controversial opposing group, known as Antifa, also showed up to condemn hate and racism.
Here's a closer look at Antifa protesters, who have become more visible in the past year.
What is Antifa?
Antifa is short for anti-fascists. The term is used to define a broad group of people whose political beliefs lean toward the left -- often the far left -- but do not conform with the Democratic Party platform. The group doesn't have an official leader or headquarters, although groups in certain states hold regular meetings.
Protesters blame Charlottesville police for not stopping violence
Protesters blame Charlottesville police for not stopping violence
Antifa positions can be hard to define, but many members support oppressed populations and protest the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites. Some employ radical or militant tactics to get their message across.
Scott Crow, a longtime Antifa organizer, says the "radical ideals" promoted by Antifas are starting to be adopted by liberals. "They would never have looked at (those ideals) before, because they saw us as the enemy as much as the right-wingers."
The majority of Antifa members don't fall into a stereotype. Since the election of President Donald Trump, however, most new Antifa members are young voters.
How did the group start?
The exact origins of the group are unknown, but Antifa can be traced to Nazi Germany and Anti-Fascist Action, a militant group founded in the 1980s in the United Kingdom.
Trump made two statements on Charlottesville. Here's how white nationalists heard them.
Trump made two statements on Charlottesville. Here's how white nationalists heard them.
Modern-day members of Antifa have become more active in making themselves known at public rallies and within the progressive movement, said Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino.
"What they're trying to do now is not only become prominent through violence at these high-profile rallies, but also to reach out through small meetings and through social networking to cultivate disenfranchised progressives who heretofore were peaceful," Levin said.
Where do they protest?
Members have been spotted at high-profile, right-wing events across the country, including Milo Yiannopoulos' appearance at the University of California, Berkeley in February. They also protested President Donald Trump's inauguration in January.
While it can be difficult to distinguish Antifa activists from other protesters, some dress head to toe in black. Members call this the "Black Bloc."
They also wear masks to hide their identities from the police and whomever they are protesting.
Why are they controversial?
The group is known for causing damage to property during protests. In Berkeley, black-clad protesters wearing masks threw Molotov cocktails and smashed windows at the student union center where the Yiannopoulos event was to be held.
Crow said members use violence as a means of self-defense and they believe property destruction does not equate to violence.
"There is a place for violence. Is that the world that we want to live in? No. Is it the world we want to inhabit? No. Is it the world we want to create? No. But will we push back? Yes," Crow said.
Trump mum on Twitter after outcry over Charlottesville statement
Trump mum on Twitter after outcry over Charlottesville statement
Levin said Antifa activists feel the need to partake in violence because "they believe that elites are controlling the government and the media. So they need to make a statement head-on against the people who they regard as racist."
"There's this 'It's going down' mentality and this 'Hit them with your boots' mentality that goes back many decades to confrontations that took place, not only here in the American South, but also in places like Europe," he added.
White nationalists and other members of the so-called alt-right have denounced members of Antifa, sometimes calling them the "alt-left." Many white nationalists from the Charlottesville rallies claimed it was the Antifa groups that led the protests to turn violent.
Peter Cvjetanovic, a University of Nevada, Reno, student who attended the Virginia protests over the weekend, said he believes the far left, including Antifa, are "just as dangerous, if not more dangerous than the right wing could ever be."
"These are people who preach tolerance and love while at the same time threatening people with a different political ideology. We go to our rallies and they harass us and attack us but they held theirs and we ignore them. You don't see right-wing protests get like this," Cvjetanovic told CNN affiliate KRNV.
But Crow said the philosophy of Antifa is based on the idea of direct action. "The idea in Antifa is that we go where they (right-wingers) go. That hate speech is not free speech. That if you are endangering people with what you say and the actions that are behind them, then you do not have the right to do that.
"And so we go to cause conflict, to shut them down where they are, because we don't believe that Nazis or fascists of any stripe should have a mouthpiece."
CNN's Sara Ganim contributed to this report.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 02:17:35 PM
Nazis = bad.
Anti-Nazi's = good.
Did you not learn this as a child?
So fuck the constitution and just go out and kill the bad guys, RIGHT? Who determines who is bad and who is good? Just kill all people bald white guys, because they MIGHT be NAZI's?
What about the communist in this country, should we beat the hell out of them if they have any type of rally?
Communist = Bad
Anti-Communist = Good
Socialist Party = Bad
Anti-Socalist = Good
What about Satanic Worshippers? They are usually bad people.....are they next?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 03:55:42 PM
The citizens of Charlottesville voted to tear down the statue of Robert E. Lee.
How about the Lenin Statue in Seattle?
Should we tear that down?
Quote from: me on August 16, 2017, 04:11:43 PM
Here is a little rundown on your precious Atifa group.
I didn't say they weren't violent; doesn't make them a hate group.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 16, 2017, 04:17:50 PM
How about the Lenin Statue in Seattle?
Should we tear that down?
You don't know anything about Lenin, do you?
Like I said before, virtually everyone else in the world understands the false equivalence racists are suggesting. For two people who claim not to be racist themselves, you seem to find yourselves on their side of the discussion every single time the issue comes up.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 05:32:14 PM
I didn't say they weren't violent; doesn't make them a hate group.
That statement doesn't even make sense Ex. If hatred for something causes a group to be violent then, yes, they are a hate group. The violence from all sides needs to stop period. If everyone suddenly put down their weapons and decided not to be political pawns the left would go absolutely nuts trying to figure out how to stir them up again.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 05:33:22 PM
You don't know anything about Lenin, do you?
Do you?
http://www.history.com/topics/vladimir-lenin
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 16, 2017, 04:17:50 PM
How about the Lenin Statue in Seattle?
Should we tear that down?
I have a feeling you only know about this statue because of meme on FB. Here's the story: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lenin-statue-is-loved-hated-and-very-fremont/ and from Fremont themselves: https://fremont.com/about/lenin/ This is a privately owned statue.
From another article I read:
"Lenin will also be overlooking the Sunday Flea Market, which we think will be appropriate: Lenin the father of communism overlooking micro-capitalism at its best." I have to wonder how many of our young people know who Lenin is, and if they don't and see him looking over a flea market think he approves capitalism.
I'm not defending this, honestly I'm not sure where I stand on this whole tear down the statue thing. I understand both sides. What I do not agree with is when someone says we are getting rid of history by taking down a statue. Why? We have no books telling us what happened? I've never seen a statue of Gen. Lee, but I know the history behind him.
The statues glorify those that supported slavery and racism in history.
If you don't want them torn down, then place them into museums. End of controversy.
But rather than do something sensible we allow one of the most egregious hate organizations in the nation to hold a rally in protest of the tearing down of the statues. Know full well that said "rally" will drive those opposing said hate and racism to conduct a counter protest. A 6 year old could have predicted it.
The same shit happened when they rallied in Humbolt park in Chicago many years ago. And like this recent event, the white supremacy assholes were armed to the teeth. People were beaten, shot, maimed and killed. But the Potus didn't fan the flames of hatred and makes statements blaming all sides back then. Instead he placed blame where it belonged upon those that incited the conflict.
One of the leaders in his false bravado granted an interview to a reporter, showing her the semi automatic hand guns he was "carrying at all times"; a glock, Ruger, and Keltec : each in 9mm. And 2 Assault rifles. . . Who goes to a peaceful protest armed like that? Those looking for conflict. This same leader is epically failing post event is his attempt to play the victim card with the media, while crying crocodile tears.
So should the anti-hate protestors have gone to their counter protest unarmed? The reality is most of them did. In fact all but the extremist faction amongst them. (Which were n the minority). And yet the Raging Cheeto places blame upon them all. Horseshit. 😡
The hate faction in the current event incited what happened. Then they killed an innocent woman and injured 19 others by using a motor vehicle driven intentionally into a crowd of counter protestors.
How ANY elected leader could see his/her way to find it acceptable to blame this upon those holding the moral high ground in this situation is astonishing. He is doing nothing but increasing the bravado of the white supremacists because they see it as supportive. And they are not wrong about that. 😡😡😡
They were both in the wrong period. What I actually came here to do is post this video about what Trump said about David Duke 17 yrs ago, he does not approve of him or his ways.
https://www.youtube.com/v/cmixFl8Sxfo
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 16, 2017, 07:34:53 PM
What I do not agree with is when someone says we are getting rid of history by taking down a statue. Why? We have no books telling us what happened?
Like these people read books? They want the statues left there so that when they get drug into court for not paying child support or to face their latest meth charges they can learn history.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 17, 2017, 12:42:29 AM
How ANY elected leader could see his/her way to find it acceptable to blame those upon those holding the moral high ground in this situation is astonishing.
...to everyone but our resident bigots. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on August 16, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
If hatred for something causes a group to be violent then, yes, they are a hate group.
You have yet to explain what they hate. It isn't a trick question.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 05:33:22 PM
You don't know anything about Lenin, do you?
I know he was a DICTATOR of the Communist Soviet Union.....He led massive killings and severe oppression's (See Red Terror).......Yeah, why not have a statue of him in Seattle.... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 17, 2017, 08:34:48 AM
I know he was a DICTATOR of the Communist Soviet Union.....He led massive killings and severe oppression's (See Red Terror).......Yeah, why not have a statue of him in Seattle.... :rolleyes:
You know that statue is privately owned and routinely mocked by dressing it up, right?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 17, 2017, 09:33:26 AM
You know that statue is privately owned and routinely mocked by dressing it up, right?
I do now. They should arrest anyone trying to destruct it. Same with any statue. Respectfully removing, not acting like barbarians, publicly destroying it, kicking it and spitting on it tells a lot about people.
My take on the confederate statues, is it should be up to the towns people. If they no longer want it get rid of it. If the people want it, then protect it.
Just for arguments sake........where does it stop? As Trump pointed out, should Washington and Jefferson landmarks be destroyed because they were once slave owners?
"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history." George Orwell
Quote from: me on August 17, 2017, 02:02:02 AM
They were both in the wrong period. What I actually came here to do is post this video about what Trump said about David Duke 17 yrs ago, he does not approve of him or his ways.
https://www.youtube.com/v/cmixFl8Sxfo
Which one used lethal force?
Quote from: Palehorse on August 17, 2017, 11:07:48 AM
Which one used lethal force?
At this time, we know it was a 20-year old nut job.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 17, 2017, 07:32:23 AM
You have yet to explain what they hate. It isn't a trick question.
Trump
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 17, 2017, 10:50:52 AM
My take on the confederate statues, is it should be up to the towns people. If they no longer want it get rid of it. If the people want it, then protect it.
As I pointed out to Trump on his Twitter feed, virtually all of these statues and plaques were erected by segregationists and were intended to scare and humiliate people of color, not to celebrate a common experience. That's the real history.
QuoteJust for arguments sake........where does it stop? As Trump pointed out, should Washington and Jefferson landmarks be destroyed because they were once slave owners?
Lee was a traitor who took up arms against U.S. soldiers. Despite owning slaves himself, Jefferson wrote an ordinance preventing new states that entered the union from allowing slavery and Washington freed his slaves in his will.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 17, 2017, 11:30:06 AM
Trump
I guess that makes you part of a hate group as well then, huh?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 17, 2017, 11:37:05 AM
As I pointed out to Trump on his Twitter feed, virtually all of these statues and plaques were erected by segregationists democrats and were intended to scare and humiliate people of color, not to celebrate a common experience. That's the real history.
If we are talking real history.....FIFY ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 17, 2017, 12:05:15 PM
If we are talking real history.....FIFY ;)
Yes, they were...until the parties effectively switched sides in the 60's.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 17, 2017, 12:27:20 PM
Nuff said.
The dems used to be the conservative party and the republicans were the progressives. Same people, they just call themselves something different now than they did back then.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 17, 2017, 12:13:52 PM
Yes, they were...until the parties effectively switched sides in the 60's.
Oh really???? And you were how old then?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 17, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
The dems used to be the conservative party and the republicans were the progressives. Same people, they just call themselves something different now than they did back then.
You, and others like you, are being played like a fiddle. I know you won't believe any of this but it's exactly what's happening.
https://www.youtube.com/v/bFNOfG7Zbzc
What happened in Charlottesville has stirred things up a bit here in Northern VA and Maryland but so far no bad stuff that I know of. Yet. Interestingly, Robert E. Lee V lives in the city of Fairfax, and the name is all over the place, including a high school.
Funny. The Cheeto Party wants to dig up historic facts and use them as a weapon to discredit present day people. But they automagically dismiss their Cheeto in Chief's criminal behaviors and actions; up to and including treason!
That flag won't fly. Those that know the truth are the majority and their ranks are increasing each and every day. :yes:
Quote from: me on August 17, 2017, 03:29:24 PM
You, and others like you, are being played like a fiddle. I know you won't believe any of this but it's exactly what's happening.
ME, You are 100% correct!!
Quote from: Palehorse on August 18, 2017, 11:45:21 AM
Funny. The Cheeto Party wants to dig up historic facts and use them as a weapon to discredit present day people. But they automagically dismiss their Cheeto in Chief's criminal behaviors and actions; up to and including treason!
That flag won't fly. Those that know the truth are the majority and their ranks are increasing each and every day. :yes:
I have never, in my life disagreed with you more than now.... NEVER, not one issue in our history.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 18, 2017, 11:45:21 AM
Funny. The Cheeto Party wants to dig up historic facts and use them as a weapon to discredit present day people. But they automagically dismiss their Cheeto in Chief's criminal behaviors and actions; up to and including treason!
That flag won't fly. Those that know the truth are the majority and their ranks are increasing each and every day. :yes:
What???? Exactly what criminal behaviour and use your own words not those of the media.
CBS did an interview yesterday, they found two black and one white Trump supporter, three people. The names involved here, correspondent Mark Strassman, the three female supporters for Trump are Janelle Jones, Ellen Diehl and Lucretia......these three women, two black, one white, CBS found them to talk about Trump controversy...I think this represent an enormous population that the "establishment" despises..........it went like this:
STRASSMAN: Has your support for Trump lessened one bit?
HUGHES: Absolutely not.
DIEHL: Not at all.
JONES: No.
STRASSMAN: Not one bit?
JONES: No, I don't look at him as, you know, my pastor or my moral leader. I look at him as the leader as it relates to governmental issues.
DIEHL: We're not looking for somebody charming. We're looking for a man who knows how to turn things around, and he's got a track record of turning things around.
STRASSMAN: When you saw Charlottesville, what did that say about where we are as a country?
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DIEHL: It wasn't necessarily a completely black-white issue, but I think that the media is turning it into a black-white issue. It's definitely a left-right issue, but it's left fringe and right fringe.
STRASSMAN: The Confederate statues don't bother you?
HUGHES: No. It's history. I wasn't born back then. You wasn't, either. So why is that affecting us? If anything, we should grow and learn from it just like Martin Luther King said. You don't judge people by the color of their skin. You base that on their character.
STRASSMAN: How do you explain what your support is for a president, given the criticism that he's had on this race issue?
HUGHES: I think for myself, period. Nobody's going to tell me what to think or how to think. I'm not gullible and I'm not blind. It's my decision if I'm going to support someone or not, not go by what other people has to say. And to me, what I've seen, and what I love, I'm not– he's not going to lose my support any time soon.
JONES: I've been a Republican before Donald Trump. I will be a Republican afterwards. I honestly don't think we will see this issue of racial divide addressed until we remove identity politics out of the political process.
STRASSMAN: These Republican women say if a president deserves blame for making racial tensions worse, it's Obama, not Trump for the identity politics they say Democrats have practiced for the last eight years.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 18, 2017, 03:09:12 PM
CBS did an interview yesterday, they found two black and one white Trump supporter, three people. The names involved here, correspondent Mark Strassman, the three female supporters for Trump are Janelle Jones, Ellen Diehl and Lucretia......these three women, two black, one white, CBS found them to talk about Trump controversy...I think this represent an enormous population that the "establishment" despises..........it went like this:
STRASSMAN: Has your support for Trump lessened one bit?
HUGHES: Absolutely not.
DIEHL: Not at all.
JONES: No.
STRASSMAN: Not one bit?
JONES: No, I don't look at him as, you know, my pastor or my moral leader. I look at him as the leader as it relates to governmental issues.
DIEHL: We're not looking for somebody charming. We're looking for a man who knows how to turn things around, and he's got a track record of turning things around.
STRASSMAN: When you saw Charlottesville, what did that say about where we are as a country?
DIEHL: It wasn't necessarily a completely black-white issue, but I think that the media is turning it into a black-white issue. It's definitely a left-right issue, but it's left fringe and right fringe.
STRASSMAN: The Confederate statues don't bother you?
HUGHES: No. It's history. I wasn't born back then. You wasn't, either. So why is that affecting us? If anything, we should grow and learn from it just like Martin Luther King said. You don't judge people by the color of their skin. You base that on their character.
STRASSMAN: How do you explain what your support is for a president, given the criticism that he's had on this race issue?
HUGHES: I think for myself, period. Nobody's going to tell me what to think or how to think. I'm not gullible and I'm not blind. It's my decision if I'm going to support someone or not, not go by what other people has to say. And to me, what I've seen, and what I love, I'm not– he's not going to lose my support any time soon.
JONES: I've been a Republican before Donald Trump. I will be a Republican afterwards. I honestly don't think we will see this issue of racial divide addressed until we remove identity politics out of the political process.
STRASSMAN: These Republican women say if a president deserves blame for making racial tensions worse, it's Obama, not Trump for the identity politics they say Democrats have practiced for the last eight years.
I've read this three times, and still can't figure out why Strassman has said this. Did you get rid of that, HH? I'd like to see what they really said, not doubting it, just want to read their words.
As far as them, as you say, representing an "enormous population that the "establishment" despises", from what I have read and the people I have talked to (a good assortment of republicans, democrats, conservatives, liberals, in betweens) it's not true. Maybe in your little bubble of the world it is, but not in mine. BTW, I live in a conservative area, with a lot of friends that are conservative republicans.
Quote from: me on August 18, 2017, 01:33:34 PM
What???? Exactly what criminal behaviour and use your own words not those of the media.
🇷🇺 Russia.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 19, 2017, 12:23:38 AM
🇷🇺 Russia.
No, that's from the media and has been disproven. Every time they start digging it implicates Hillary more than it does Trump. Too much anonymous stuff about Trump.
Quote from: me on August 19, 2017, 01:26:24 AM
No, that's from the media and has been disproven. Every time they start digging it implicates Hillary more than it does Trump. Too much anonymous stuff about Trump.
BULLSHIT :bsflag:
The jury is still out. . . and a couple of grand ones at that. :yes:
Quote from: me on August 19, 2017, 01:26:24 AM
No, that's from the media and has been disproven. Every time they start digging it implicates Hillary more than it does Trump. Too much anonymous stuff about Trump.
I can say this,
There is no way that Trump can stand the growing number of people here in this country who have found out that he is a Con Man who needs to be removed from office. He will leave office before his term runs out. How? Who knows. :trustme:
The Secret Service cannot pay hundreds of agents to protect President Donald Trump and his large family, according to a report published Monday morning.
Secret Service Director Randolph "Tex'' Alles told USA Today more than 1,000 agents have already hit the federally mandated caps for salary and overtime allowances -- which were meant to last the entire year. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/secret-service-donald-trump-family/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/secret-service-donald-trump-family/index.html)
This never happened during the Obama administrations. . . Guess he stayed in the White House working a hell of a lot more than the raging cheeto eh?
They need to stay at home in their personal palaces (family) and in the White House (Cheeto and immediate family) the rest of the year. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 21, 2017, 11:20:45 AM
The Secret Service cannot pay hundreds of agents to protect President Donald Trump and his large family, according to a report published Monday morning.
Secret Service Director Randolph "Tex'' Alles told USA Today more than 1,000 agents have already hit the federally mandated caps for salary and overtime allowances -- which were meant to last the entire year. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/secret-service-donald-trump-family/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/secret-service-donald-trump-family/index.html)
This never happened during the Obama administrations. . . Guess he stayed in the White House working a hell of a lot more than the raging cheeto eh?
They need to stay at home in their personal palaces (family) and in the White House (Cheeto and immediate family) the rest of the year. :yes:
Take away his government protection, let him pay for his own. :yes: The only people who would kill him is members on his own party. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 21, 2017, 11:20:45 AM
The Secret Service cannot pay hundreds of agents to protect President Donald Trump and his large family, according to a report published Monday morning.
Secret Service Director Randolph "Tex'' Alles told USA Today more than 1,000 agents have already hit the federally mandated caps for salary and overtime allowances -- which were meant to last the entire year. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/secret-service-donald-trump-family/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/secret-service-donald-trump-family/index.html)
This never happened during the Obama administrations. . . Guess he stayed in the White House working a hell of a lot more than the raging cheeto eh?
They need to stay at home in their personal palaces (family) and in the White House (Cheeto and immediate family) the rest of the year. :yes:
"Trump's travel to his private club in Florida has cost more than an estimated $20 million in his first 80 days in office, putting the President on pace to surpass former President Barack Obama's eight years of spending on travel -- in only his first year in office." Wow. Didn't he say he wasn't going to take any vacations?
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 21, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
"Trump's travel to his private club in Florida has cost more than an estimated $20 million in his first 80 days in office, putting the President on pace to surpass former President Barack Obama's eight years of spending on travel -- in only his first year in office." Wow. Didn't he say he wasn't going to take any vacations?
Hum, something doesn't add up here. I think it probably cost a lot more for jet feul to go overseas than to Fl. More fuzzy math at work.
Quote from: me on August 22, 2017, 12:36:03 AM
Hum, something doesn't add up here. I think it probably cost a lot more for jet feul to go overseas than to Fl. More fuzzy math at work.
The Raging Cheeto could take a shit in your morning oatmeal and piss in your coffee and you'd lap it up and proclaim both to be the best you'd ever had. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 22, 2017, 12:47:45 AM
The Raging Cheeto could take a shit in your morning oatmeal and piss in your coffee and you'd lap it up and proclaim both to be the best you'd ever had. :rolleyes:
Being crude again.
Quote from: me on August 22, 2017, 11:14:22 AM
Being crude again.
Judgmental whelp aren't you? 🙄
Quote from: Palehorse on August 22, 2017, 11:19:35 AM
Judgmental whelp aren't you? 🙄
Me? You say something like that and I'm suipposed to not think it's crude?
Quote from: me on August 22, 2017, 11:20:35 AM
Me? You say something like that and I'm suipposed to not think it's crude?
Ignore me. It's your SOP. I'm not here to meet your needs or expectations; nor do I give a damn what they may or may not be.
I know what you are, and I am content in that knowledge. You validate it every single day.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 22, 2017, 11:30:42 AM
Ignore me. It's your SOP. I'm not here to meet your needs or expectations; nor do I give a damn what they may or may not be.
I know what you are, and I am content in that knowledge. You validate it every single day.
No, you just think you know what I am based on what you're told to believe about people who have a different opinion.
Quote from: me on August 22, 2017, 12:33:16 PM
No, you just think you know what I am based on what you're told to believe about people who have a different opinion.
No, we know exactly what you are.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 22, 2017, 01:13:45 PM
No, we know exactly what you are.
You obviously don't if you think I'm a racist.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 22, 2017, 12:47:45 AM
The Raging Cheeto could take a shit in your morning oatmeal and piss in your coffee and you'd lap it up and proclaim both to be the best you'd ever had. :rolleyes:
Damn! Can you give a warning before posting things like that? I almost choked on my salad from laughing!
Quote from: me on August 22, 2017, 12:33:16 PM
No, you just think you know what I am based on what you're told to believe about people who have a different opinion.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 22, 2017, 11:30:42 AM
I know what you are, and I am content in that knowledge. You validate it every single day.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 22, 2017, 01:13:45 PM
No, we know exactly what you are.
Quote from: me on August 22, 2017, 03:16:32 PM
You obviously don't if you think I'm a racist.
"For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." -- Ole' Jeebus (Matthew 12:34)
Your mouth has done an abundance of speaking around here. :yes: :wink:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 22, 2017, 12:47:45 AM
The Raging Cheeto could take a shit in your morning oatmeal and piss in your coffee and you'd lap it up and proclaim both to be the best you'd ever had. :rolleyes:
:yes:
Hank too!
Trump...last night... Bat. Shit. Crazy.
He sure was.
Yet he wonders why some, even in his own party, are questioning his fitness for the job.
Quote from: Locutus on August 22, 2017, 06:46:34 PM
:yes:
Hank too!
But, to play fair, If Trump found a cure for cancer YOU would bitch about it! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 23, 2017, 10:16:38 AM
But, to play fair, If Trump found a cure for cancer YOU would bitch about it! :yes:
No, we wouldn't but your argument is invalid because he will never do anything that benefits anyone other than himself, much less cure cancer.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 23, 2017, 07:23:22 AM
Trump...last night... Bat. Shit. Crazy.
Indeed. :spooked: :spooked: :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 23, 2017, 10:16:38 AM
But, to play fair, If Trump found a cure for cancer YOU would bitch about it! :yes:
Nope. None of us would complain about that. What we WOULD bitch about is the ten thousand percent profit he would make on the backs of the sick in exchange for a cure. There isn't a philanthropic bone in the Raging Cheeto's body. Profit first and only; especially personal profit.
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Now the jackass is threatening to shut down the government over building the wall between the U.S. and Mexico and funding for it. So who does this hurt really? ALL of us. It kills the national credit rating, puts millions of lives at risk over the removal of their monthly checks, (But not congress. They just do nothing and get their checks anyway), and removes critical services from being implemented until the government starts back up.
Last night I watched about 10 minutes of his tirade and it made me physically ill. I'll say this yet again; He is a clear and present danger to this nation and it's longevity. Richard Nixon was more presidential than he is. . . :rant:
I cannot believe he slammed a man from his own party that is fighting brain cancer. . . What an asshole. . . :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 23, 2017, 11:16:28 AM
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Now the jackass is threatening to shut down the government over building the wall between the U.S. and Mexico and funding for it. So who does this hurt really? ALL of us. It kills the national credit rating, puts millions of lives at risk over the removal of their monthly checks, (But not congress. They just do nothing and get their checks anyway), and removes critical services from being implemented until the government starts back up.
You mean like Obama did over his health care plan. Seems like the national credit rating took a hit while he was in office too, a real hit for the first time ever.
Quote from: me on August 23, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
You mean like Obama did over his health care plan. Seems like the national credit rating took a hit while he was in office too, a real hit for the first time ever.
Uh, that was the Republican Congress' fault.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 23, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
Uh, that was the Republican Congress' fault.
It's like :wall: every time she posts.
From Esquire: (http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a57164/trump-arizona-speech/)
I Have No More Patience for Trump Supporters
Last night in Arizona, Trump came right up to the edge of inciting you to riot and you rode along with him.
t least, old Ted Agnew had the late William Safire writing his stuff for him. "Nattering nabobs of negativism." "Pusillanimous pussyfooters." I mean, that's the top-shelf brand right there. It's an honor to have such invective thrown in your direction. Ol' Ted broke new ground in only two areas—taking cheap-ass bribes in the office of the vice president and attacking the media.
Instead, 45 years later, we get this mendacious litany of sixth-grade sneering.
So the -- and I mean truly dishonest people in the media and the fake media, they make up stories. They have no sources in many cases. They say "a source says" -- there is no such thing. But they don't report the facts. Just like they don't want to report that I spoke out forcefully against hatred, bigotry and violence and strongly condemned the neo-Nazis, the White Supremacists, and the KKK.
(APPLAUSE)
I openly called for unity, healing and love, and they know it because they were all there. So what I did --
(APPLAUSE)
So what I did is I thought, I'd take just a second, and I'm really doing this more than anything else, because you know where my heart is, OK?
(APPLAUSE)
I'm really doing this to show you how damned dishonest these people are.
And then,
You know why? Because they are very dishonest people. So I said, racism is evil. Now they only choose, you know, like a half a sentence here or there and then they just go on this long rampage, or they put on these real lightweights all around a table that nobody ever heard of, and they all say what a bad guy I am. But, I mean do you ever see anything -- and then you wonder why CNN is doing relatively poorly in the ratings. Because they're putting like seven people all negative on Trump. And they fired Jeffrey Lord, poor Jeffrey. Jeffrey Lord. I guess he was getting a little fed up, and he was probably fighting back a little bit too hard. They said, we've better get out of here; we can't have that.And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold true as Americans. Now let me ask you, can it be any better than that, in all fairness? And you know I mention that, but to the best of my knowledge when there was a big problem, Barack Obama never said it took place because of radical Islamic terrorists, he never said that, right.
And, finally, the full Schickelgruber:
And -- and I say it, and you know, we're all pros. We're all, like, we have a certain sense. We're smart people. These are truly dishonest people. And not all of them. Not all of them. You have some very good reporters. You have some very fair journalists. But for the most part, honestly, these are really, really dishonest people, and they're bad people. And I really think they don't like our country. I really believe that. And I don't believe they're going to change, and that's why I do this. If they would change, I would never say it. The only people giving a platform to these hate groups is the media itself, and the fake news...These are sick people. You know the thing I don't understand? You would think -- you would think they'd want to make our country great again, and I honestly believe they don't. I honestly believe it. If you want to discover the source of the division in our country, look no further than the fake news and the crooked media...
Before we get to the other stuff, and there was lots of other stuff, I'd like to address myself to those people represented by the parenthetical notation (Applause) in the above transcript, those people who waited for hours in 105-degree heat so that they could have the G-spot of their irrationality properly stroked for them. You're all suckers. You're dim and you're ignorant and you can't even feel yourself sliding toward something that will surprise even you with its fundamental ugliness, something that everybody who can see past the veil of their emotions can see as plain as a church by daylight, to borrow a phrase from that Willie Shakespeare fella. The problem, of course, is that you, in your pathetic desire to be loved by a guy who wouldn't have 15 seconds for you on the street, are dragging the rest of us toward that end, too.
A guy basically went mad, right there on the stage in front of you, and you cheered and booed right on cue because you're sheep and because he directed his insanity at all the scapegoats that your favorite radio and TV personalities have been creating for you over the past three decades. Especially, I guess, people like me who practice the craft of journalism in a country that honors that craft in its most essential founding documents. The President of the United States came right up to the edge of inciting you to riot and you rode along with him. You're on his team, by god.
Are you good people? I keep hearing that you are, but let's go back to Tuesday night's transcripts and see what we find.
One vote away. One vote away. We were one vote away. Think of it, seven years the Republicans -- and again, you have some great senators, but we were one vote away from repealing it.
(CROWD CHANTING)
But, you know, they all said, Mr. President, your speech was so good last night, please, please, Mr. President don't mention any names. So I won't. I won't. No I won't vote -- one vote away, I will not mention any names. Very presidential, isn't' it? Very presidential. And nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, who's weak on borders, weak on crime, so I won't talk about him.
Right there, in the passive-aggressive fashion of the true moral coward, he made a bobo out of a former POW who currently is undergoing treatment for what is likely a terminal brain cancer. And you chanted and cheered. Do good people chant and cheer a rhetorical assault on a dying man of respect and honor?
I have no more patience, and I had very little to start with. I don't care why you're anxious. I don't care for anybody's interpretation of why you voted for this abomination of a politician, and why you cheer him now, because any explanation not rooted in the nastier bits of basic human spleen is worthless. I don't want any politicians who seek to appeal to the more benign manifestations of your condition because there's no way to separate those from all the rest of the hate and fear and stupidity. (And, for my colleagues in the Vance-Arnade-Zito school of Trump Whispering, here's a hint: They hate you, too.) I don't care why you sat out in a roasting pan since 5 a.m. Tuesday morning to whistle and cheer and stomp your feet for a scared, dangerous little man who tells you that your every bloody fantasy about your enemies is the height of patriotism. You are now the declared adversaries of what I do for a living, and your idol is a danger to the country and so are you. Own it. Deal with it. And, for the love of god, and for the sake of the rest of us who live in this country, do better at being citizens.
As to the rest, I might have been a little groggy, but I thought I heard him say he was going to shut down the government unless Congress gives him money for his stupid wall that Mexico was supposed to finance. I thought I heard him tell that evil racist gossoon, Sheriff Joe Arpaio, to count on a pardon down the line somewhere. And, I swear to god, I thought I heard him call the Democrats in the Congress communists.
Wait. What?
It's all they're good at. It's all they're good at. That's all they do. On healthcare, they have 48 Democrats. We got no votes. We got no votes. And it would have been great healthcare. And by the way, would have been great healthcare for Arizona. Would have been great. So the Democrats have no ideas, no policy, no vision for the country other than total socialism and maybe, frankly, a step beyond socialism from what I'm seeing.
(BOOING)
Thought so.
(Also, note to all the Purity Police who think people like Joy Reid are "red-baiting" when they mention that Russian ratfcking helped decide the last presidential election. That bit right at the end there? That's actual red-baiting. Please take notes. I don't want to have to go over this again.)
It was a deadening, numbing 77 minutes. (If there's one modern orator he most resembles, it's Fidel Castro.) The abiding feelings that I took away from this carnival of the Id were twofold: first, that this jefe manqué is on the verge of sending people infinitely better than he is to die in a war he doesn't understand, and second, and probably most important, this is a president* who is scared to death. He's frightened of the responsibilities of his office, of the mounting unpopularity of both himself and his policies, and of the hounds baying at the frontiers of his shady past and shadier present. He's terrified, and he should be. He's desperately shoring up the bubble that his ovine followers helped him build to insulate him from the truth and from empirical reality.
Come to this house.
Be one of us.
McCain is a war hero? Yeah, I can go with that. He served our Military with honor. Does McCain have a brain tumor?....it appears so. I have sympathy for him.
Is McCain a good GOP Senator? NOPE! Do I want him to leave office as soon as possible? YEP!
I can respect him as a person, but not as a Senator. He has NOT been a conservative as he tried to fool his constituents into believing.
Just throwing that out there FWIW....
Quote from: Exterminator on August 23, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
Uh, that was the Republican Congress' fault.
Oh, I forgot Obama was perfect and everything was always everyone else's fault. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on August 23, 2017, 04:48:05 PM
Oh, I forgot Obama was perfect and everything was always everyone else's fault. :rolleyes:
I never said that, stupid, and at least he was man enough to admit when he made mistakes.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 23, 2017, 05:05:06 PM
I never said that, stupid, and at least he was man enough to admit when he made mistakes.
Example. Boy you can really sling out those insults can't ya? Was that one of your college courses? If it was you are not managing to make me feel inferior because I know I'm not so give it up.
Quote from: me on August 23, 2017, 05:35:17 PM
Example. Boy you can really sling out those insults can't ya? Was that one of your college courses? If it was you are not managing to make me feel inferior because I know I'm not so give it up.
You're confusing me with Trump. Remember last night in his bat shit crazy speech when he said he went to better schools, was a better student, had a better apartment, etc.?
Quote from: me on August 23, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
You mean like Obama did over his health care plan. Seems like the national credit rating took a hit while he was in office too, a real hit for the first time ever.
I know you're not too bright but SCROTUS is threatening to shut down the government unless Congress appropriates funds to build the wall that he insisted Mexico would pay for.
Do you not feel lied to?
How about his campaign promises to get us out of Afghanistan?
Please name one thing he promised during the campaign that he's accomplished.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 23, 2017, 04:02:34 PM
From Esquire: (http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a57164/trump-arizona-speech/)
Excellent. Thanks for posting. I couldn't take anymore after an hour of listening to him. Although I did get to the point where he claimed cameras were being turned off (CNN) which was so stupid as I was watching CNN report it live! He calls himself "very presidential" because he doesn't name names? Does he even understand what a president should act like? That was another campaign rally to make himself feel good and put others down. In his words, sad, very sad.
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 23, 2017, 06:54:24 PM
Excellent. Thanks for posting. I couldn't take anymore after an hour of listening to him. Although I did get to the point where he claimed cameras were being turned off (CNN) which was so stupid as I was watching CNN report it live!
If you wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt on that - I particularly don't - we might chalk that up to simple hyperbole.
The problem with that though, is that the majority of the people in that audience aren't smart enough to discern hyperbole from any other thing SCROTUS (tip 'o' the hat to Ex for that one) says that may waft across their ears at any given time. :rolleyes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 23, 2017, 06:54:24 PM
Excellent. Thanks for posting. I couldn't take anymore after an hour of listening to him. Although I did get to the point where he claimed cameras were being turned off (CNN) which was so stupid as I was watching CNN report it live! He calls himself "very presidential" because he doesn't name names? Does he even understand what a president should act like? That was another campaign rally to make himself feel good and put others down. In his words, sad, very sad.
As soon as he got done talking about how smart he is and said formenting, I was done.
P
Quote from: Locutus on August 23, 2017, 06:59:46 PM
...SCROTUS (tip 'o' the hat to Ex for that one...
:biggrin:
Quote from: me on August 23, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
You mean like Obama did over his health care plan. Seems like the national credit rating took a hit while he was in office too, a real hit for the first time ever.
As Ex pointed out.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 23, 2017, 03:46:30 PM
Uh, that was the Republican Congress' fault.
You know. The party of NO! 🙄
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 23, 2017, 04:09:16 PM
McCain is a war hero? Yeah, I can go with that. He served our Military with honor. Does McCain have a brain tumor?....it appears so. I have sympathy for him.
Is McCain a good GOP Senator? NOPE! Do I want him to leave office as soon as possible? YEP!
I can respect him as a person, but not as a Senator. He has NOT been a conservative as he tried to fool his constituents into believing.
Just throwing that out there FWIW....
Just like you were throwing that out there when he and the attention whore were running for POTUS / VP?
Oh wait. . . They were your heroes then. My mistake. 😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: Palehorse on August 24, 2017, 01:00:34 AM
Just like you were throwing that out there when he and the attention whore were running for POTUS / VP?
Oh wait. . . They were your heroes then. My mistake. 😂😂😂😂😂
Nope, they were just BETTER than the alternative.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 23, 2017, 06:50:41 PM
Please name one thing he promised during the campaign that he's accomplished.
A Supreme Court Justice
Keystone Pipeline
Eliminated Obama's Coal Restrictions
Pulled the US out of TPP
Cracking down on Drug Cartel
Creating Jobs
Pushed NATO members into paying their fair share
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 24, 2017, 09:14:03 AM
A Supreme Court Justice
Keystone Pipeline
Eliminated Obama's Coal Restrictions
Pulled the US out of TPP
Cracking down on Drug Cartel
Creating Jobs
Pushed NATO members into paying their fair share
Yep, you just proved you're crazy, bat shit crazy. :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :groan: :mooning:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 24, 2017, 09:14:03 AM
A Supreme Court Justice
Keystone Pipeline
Eliminated Obama's Coal Restrictions
Pulled the US out of TPP
Cracking down on Drug Cartel
Creating Jobs
Pushed NATO members into paying their fair share
None of these supposed accomplishments mean shit but the last one underscores your (and Trump's) ignorance of how NATO works and how much they were paying was trending anyway.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 24, 2017, 11:32:16 AM
None of these supposed accomplishments mean shit but the last one underscores your (and Trump's) ignorance of how NATO works and how much they were paying was trending anyway.
Blah blah blah......you asked I delivered. Whether you think they are valid or not is a different story.
His biggest accomplishment to date is turning the office of the presidency into something to be openly mocked on Twitter! :biggrin:
A Supreme Court Justice- A position stolen from the previously serving POTUS.
Keystone Pipeline - Environmental disaster in the making.
Eliminated Obama's Coal Restrictions- Another environmental and unnecessary risk.
Pulled the US out of TPP- Root cause - Pissing off our neighbors.
Cracking down on Drug Cartel- He can't do a damned thing about this. He'd get a case of the drizzles if he had to face them.
Creating Jobs- The only jobs he has created are the vacancies in his administration.
Pushed NATO members into paying their fair share- Not how it works. . .
He's a blowhard liar. . . And you got swindled, just as the entire nation is being subjected to his idiocy. :yes:
Maybe we should concentrate on what he's undone.
From The Washington Post: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/24/what-trump-has-undone/?utm_term=.d25f59469680)
The economy
Withdrew from the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The trade deal would have established a trade partnership between the United States and countries on the Pacific Rim.
Revoked a rule that expanded the number of people who could earn overtime pay.
Reversal of a rule that would mandate that oil and gas companies report payments to foreign governments. The Securities and Exchange Commission will no longer receive this information.
Ended limits on the ability of states to drug test those seeking unemployment benefits.
Revoked an executive order that mandated compliance by contractors with laws protecting women in the workplace. Prior to the 2014 order, a report found that companies with federal contracts worth millions of dollars had scores of violations of labor and civil rights laws.
Repeal of a rule allowing states to create retirement savings plans for private-sector workers.
Cancelled a rule mandating that financial advisers act in the best interests of their clients.
Repeal of a bill that mandated that employers maintain records of workplace injuries.
Killed a rule mandating that government contractors disclose past violations of labor law.
The justice system
Rescinded an Obama effort to reduce mandatory sentences. Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered that prosecutors seek the most stringent penalties possible in criminal cases.
Cancelled a phase-out of the use of private prisons.
Reversed the government's position on a voter ID law in Texas. Under the Obama administration, the Justice Department argued that the law had discriminatory intent. Under Sessions, Justice withdrew that complaint. On Wednesday, a federal court threw out the law.
Reviewed Justice Department efforts to address problematic police departments. An effort to address concerns in the Baltimore Police Department was delayed.
The environment
On Friday, Politico reported that some representatives of oil and gas companies are worried that Trump's moving too quickly to reverse regulations on their industry. "You don't need to roll things back so far that it opens an opportunity for outsiders to criticize, or something bad happens," one analyst said.
Withdrew from the Paris climate agreement.
Blocked the Clean Power Plan. The plan implemented under Obama focused on reducing greenhouse gas emissions from power plants.
Ended a study on the health effects of mountaintop-removal mining. The process involves blasting away the tops of hills and mountains to get at coal seams under the surface.
Rescinded a rule mandating that rising sea levels be considered when building public infrastructure in flood-prone areas.
Reversed an Obama ban on drilling for oil in the Arctic.
Reviewed the status of national monuments for possible reversal. In April, Trump signed an executive order ordering a review of monuments added in the past 20 years, opening up the possibility that some areas previously set aside would have that status revoked. (This is especially interesting since at the same time he's arguing that we should protect monuments erected by people 100 years ago to intimidate and humiliate others, he also argues that national monuments that existed for tens of thousands of years before this country was even a thought should not be protected any longer.)
Withdrew a rule regulating fracking on public land.
Rejected a proposed ban on the pesticide chlorpyrifos. The month after this decision, a group of farmworkers were sickened by exposure to the chemical.
Reversed a ban on plastic bottles at national parks.
Repealed a ban on lead bullets. The bullets were banned under Obama because the lead can poison wildlife.
Rescinded a limit on the number of sea animals that can be trapped or killed in fishing nets.
Delayed and potentially rolled back automotive fuel efficiency standards.
Repealed the Waters of the United States rule. This rule expanded the definition of water bodies that were protected by the Environmental Protection Agency.
Ended a rule banning dumping waste from mining into streams.
Reversed a rule banning hunting bears and wolves. The ban applied to federal refuges in Alaska and prohibited hunting predators using certain methods.
Repealed a rule that would have centralized federal land management.
Removed a bike-sharing station at the White House.
Foreign policy and immigration
Cut the number of migrants and refugees allowed from seven predominantly Muslim countries.
Repealed a rule allowing transgender individuals to serve in the military.
Rolled back of Obama's outreach to the Cuban government.
Ended the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents program. DAPA extended protections for some immigrant parents whose children were citizens of or residents in the United States.
Education
Rolled back school lunch standards championed by Michelle Obama.
Withdrew federal protections for transgender students in schools. Under the rule approved by Obama, transgender students could use school bathrooms that corresponded to their gender identities.
Reversed a rule that mandated how achievement is measured in schools.
Repealed a rule mandating certain requirements for teacher-preparation programs.
Other areas
Halted or cancelled hundreds of other minor regulatory actions.
Revoked a ban on denying funding for Planned Parenthood at the state level.
Repealed a rule mandating that Internet service providers seek permission before selling personal information.
Reversed a rule that would ban gun sales to those deemed "mentally defective" by the government.
Slow or nonexistent staffing at the Senate-confirmed and management level across administration agencies.
Repealed a rule mandating consolidation of transit planning authorities.
Ended the declaration of June as Pride Month and the practice of recognizing the end of Ramadan with an iftar dinner.
Cancelled public reporting on visitors to the White House and other online data.
If you don't like it, then vote him out in 2020. Enough of the whining.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2017, 12:40:42 PM
If you don't like it, then vote him out in 2020. Enough of the whining.
Pointing out what an incompetent jackass someone is isn't whining.
Officials have announced immigration checkpoints will be fully manned during the evacuation, hoping to catch illegals as they flee the storm.
Leaving aside the part where these checkpoint are in practice choke points, limiting evacuation, there's also the moral issue.
Illegals -- or those legal residents and citizens with illegal family members -- won't evacuate. They'll hunker down. Hide. Try and wait it out.
The thing is, these people are often the least equipped to handle disaster on a mass scale. Poverty, medical issues, age (both young and elderly), the inability to stock sufficient supplies, lack of community contacts, etc, all make this population extra vulnerable. They are the least likely to call for help -- until it is too late.
Meaning:
By regarding a natural disaster as an opportunity to advance a political agenda, we directly risk the lives of human beings -- including the most vulnerable children and elderly.
We risk the lives of emergency personnel, those who will have to go in during the storm and attempt rescue. Likewise we risk critical assets, we put an increased and unnecessary load on already scarce assets in time of crises.
We risk the lives of border patrol, immigration agents, and law enforcement, again, in time of crisis. Law enforcement should be facilitating the evacuation, not slowing it down. They should be waving people through, keeping traffic moving, sending people inland as fast as possible.
We should be getting people out, not scaring them into staying in the storm's path.
There is a time for politics.
There is a time for emphasis on illegal immigration, yes.
But this isn't it.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 25, 2017, 01:04:53 PM
Pointing out what an incompetent jackass someone is isn't whining.
I'm not aiming at you......I'm talking about CNN, MSNBC, Pelosi, Hillary, NY TIMES, Washington Times, BLM, ANTIFA
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
I'm not aiming at you......I'm talking about CNN, MSNBC, Pelosi, Hillary, NY TIMES, Washington Times, BLM, ANTIFA
Don't forget past and present Republican politicians, CEO's, foreign governments, etc. I don't know that most of them are whining so much as pointing and laughing.
The dude who's been called a racist for the past two weeks for failing to call out nazis just pardoned someone literally convicted of racism. You can't make this shit up.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2017, 03:14:13 PM
I'm not aiming at you......I'm talking about CNN, MSNBC, Pelosi, Hillary, NY TIMES, Washington Times, BLM, ANTIFA
Hank, the Washington Times is a conservative newspaper founded by the old Korean Sun Myung Moon (think Unification Church). I haven't seen a paper copy of the Times in years.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 25, 2017, 10:35:49 PM
The dude who's been called a racist for the past two weeks for failing to call out nazis just pardoned someone literally convicted of racism. You can't make this shit up.
:spooked: Maybe he'll hire him as his personal bodyguard.
Quote from: libby on August 25, 2017, 10:59:24 PM
:spooked: Maybe he'll hire him as his personal bodyguard.
Or the director of HR for Trump, Inc.? 😡
Quote from: Exterminator on August 25, 2017, 02:50:33 PM
Officials have announced immigration checkpoints will be fully manned during the evacuation, hoping to catch illegals as they flee the storm.
Leaving aside the part where these checkpoint are in practice choke points, limiting evacuation, there's also the moral issue.
Illegals -- or those legal residents and citizens with illegal family members -- won't evacuate. They'll hunker down. Hide. Try and wait it out.
The thing is, these people are often the least equipped to handle disaster on a mass scale. Poverty, medical issues, age (both young and elderly), the inability to stock sufficient supplies, lack of community contacts, etc, all make this population extra vulnerable. They are the least likely to call for help -- until it is too late.
Meaning:
By regarding a natural disaster as an opportunity to advance a political agenda, we directly risk the lives of human beings -- including the most vulnerable children and elderly.
We risk the lives of emergency personnel, those who will have to go in during the storm and attempt rescue. Likewise we risk critical assets, we put an increased and unnecessary load on already scarce assets in time of crises.
We risk the lives of border patrol, immigration agents, and law enforcement, again, in time of crisis. Law enforcement should be facilitating the evacuation, not slowing it down. They should be waving people through, keeping traffic moving, sending people inland as fast as possible.
We should be getting people out, not scaring them into staying in the storm's path.
There is a time for politics.
There is a time for emphasis on illegal immigration, yes.
But this isn't it.
Spot on assessment my friend. I concur! 👍🏻
Quote from: Exterminator on August 25, 2017, 02:50:33 PM
Officials have announced immigration checkpoints will be fully manned during the evacuation, hoping to catch illegals as they flee the storm.
Leaving aside the part where these checkpoint are in practice choke points, limiting evacuation, there's also the moral issue.
Illegals -- or those legal residents and citizens with illegal family members -- won't evacuate. They'll hunker down. Hide. Try and wait it out.
The thing is, these people are often the least equipped to handle disaster on a mass scale. Poverty, medical issues, age (both young and elderly), the inability to stock sufficient supplies, lack of community contacts, etc, all make this population extra vulnerable. They are the least likely to call for help -- until it is too late.
Meaning:
By regarding a natural disaster as an opportunity to advance a political agenda, we directly risk the lives of human beings -- including the most vulnerable children and elderly.
We risk the lives of emergency personnel, those who will have to go in during the storm and attempt rescue. Likewise we risk critical assets, we put an increased and unnecessary load on already scarce assets in time of crises.
We risk the lives of border patrol, immigration agents, and law enforcement, again, in time of crisis. Law enforcement should be facilitating the evacuation, not slowing it down. They should be waving people through, keeping traffic moving, sending people inland as fast as possible.
We should be getting people out, not scaring them into staying in the storm's path.
There is a time for politics.
There is a time for emphasis on illegal immigration, yes.
But this isn't it.
Seems there are no exceptions. Here's a sad example of what happened to two young men in nearby Maryland earlier this month:
The Washington Post
August 22
Lizandro Claros Saravia, 19, and his older brother, Diego Claros Saravia, 22, pick up their grandfather, Pedro Orellana, on Aug. 16 at the airport in San Salvador. The brothers, undocumented immigrants from Maryland, were deported to El Salvador on Aug. 2. (Sarah L. Voisin/The Washington Post)
SAN SALVADOR — Lizandro Claros Saravia was supposed to be at college in North Carolina by now. At soccer practice. At the library.
Instead, the 19-year-old soccer star from Germantown, Md., is hundreds of miles away, in a sweltering Central American nation he barely recognizes and sometimes fears.
U.S. immigration officials swiftly deported him and his older brother, Diego, on Aug. 2, days after Lizandro told them during a routine check-in that he had a scholarship to attend Louisburg College.
"I don't know what we're going to do," Lizandro, his gaze flat, said in an interview here last week as he and his brother waited to pick up their 83-year-old grandfather — who had been visiting the United States on a visa when his grandsons were deported — from the airport. "I feel like in this country, I don't have a future."
The expulsion of the brothers, both of whom graduated from Quince Orchard High School in Gaithersburg and neither of whom had been accused of any wrongdoing once in the United States, outraged Democratic lawmakers and advocates for immigrants, as well as their teachers, friends and teammates.
The expulsion of Lizandro Claros Saravia, 19, left, and his older brother, Diego Claros Saravia, 22, has outraged Democratic lawmakers as well as their teachers and friends. (Sarah L. Voisin/The Washington Post)
Lizandro and Diego, now 22, used fraudulent visas and passports to come to the United States in 2009 and reunite with their family; some of whom were also here illegally. Lizandro was 10, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement; his brother was 14.
They were ordered deported in 2012 and granted a stay in 2013. Two subsequent requests for stays were denied. But with their clean records and high school diplomas, the brothers were not a priority for deportation under the Obama administration.
Under President Trump, however, the "handcuffs" are off, in the words of ICE Acting Director Thomas Homan. Anyone in violation of immigration law can be targeted for deportation. Officials say that they want to reduce the United States's population of undocumented immigrants, currently about 11 million, and dissuade would-be migrants from making the illegal, and sometimes deadly, journey north.
Critics say that the Trump administration's approach is robbing the United States of talented and dedicated immigrants, and endangering Americanized young people by sending them to their now-unfamiliar homelands without their families.
Rep. John Delaney (D-Md.) blasted ICE for deporting the brothers to El Salvador, which he called one of the "most violent countries in the world." Montgomery County Executive Isiah Leggett (D) said "ICE should be ashamed of itself."
Lizandro Claros Saravia played with Bethesda Soccer Club for four years, which helped him earn a scholarship to Louisburg College in North Carolina. (Bethesda Soccer Club)
Lizandro's teammates at the Bethesda Soccer Club — he calls them his "brothers" — have taken up a collection in hopes of helping him someday realize his dream to become the first in his family to earn a college degree.
The brothers say they miss everyone from their lives in Maryland, especially their parents and two siblings, friends and the staff at the Guapo's — a restaurant where they had family dinners — just off I-270 in Gaithersburg. They don't go out much now because they don't think it is safe.
Instead, they stay in their new home, a pair of neighboring dwellings that Lizandro and Diego share with their aunts and uncle in a village of roughly 1,000 people outside of Jucuapa. Last year, Reuters cited that city as a place where the coffin-making business has taken off, partly fueled by the high homicide rates.
The rules are that Lizandro and his brother stay in constant touch with their aunts and uncle, unless they all travel somewhere together. At night, they sleep in one of their aunt's houses, with bars on the windows and guard dogs at the door.
The brothers say they are trying to blend into their new country, but they clearly stand out. At the airport this week, they towered over the crowd, dressed as if they'd been plucked from an American shopping mall.
Diego wore a T-shirt emblazoned with the initials "USA." Lizandro wore Top-Siders, shorts and a shirt decorated with tiny sunglasses. He speaks English better than Spanish. He wouldn't recognize the president of El Salvador if he saw him on the street.
"To be honest, I don't feel good being here," he said. "People are looking at me different. . . . All my friends from when I was young, they barely know me now."
Asked about the possibility of going to college in El Salvador, Lizandro said, "I don't know if I can do that here. It's hard to go from the bottom all the way to the top again."
:blah: :blah: :blah: Why in hell can't Trump keep his god damn mouth shut. :rant: He is screwing up the trial of the killer New York terrorist. :blah: :blah: :blah: :suck:
I was truly embarrassed FOR our Media and the democrats who were in the press conference yesterday as Admiral Jackson, the top presidential doctor....declared President Trump in excellent physical and mental health. Admiral Jackson was appointed by President Obama and kept on by President Trump.
The press was in FULL MELT DOWN!! I had to laugh, but AT them, the press!! It was kind of painful as they went on for 45 minutes trying their BEST to find SOMETHING they could attack....... ;D
It is even MORE funny, when you think about it........Barack Obama smoked, drank, used lots of drugs and once said there were 57 states....and the media had NO concerns about his physical and mental state. Yet, Donald Trump has never smoked, drank, or used drugs, but the 'media" claims to be terribly concerned about his physical and mental state??
This is why Trump goes to twitter and by-passes the "FAKE NEWS".........and I 100% understand this. The media and most of the democrats are truly pathetic and THEY are the true threat to our Nation right now.
I don't care what the doctor said, Trump is crazy and he will be impeached. :haha: Then we will vote out religious nut Pence. :pray: Somebody say A-men. :smile:
He will not be impeached rather, he WILL get a 2nd term....wait and see.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2018, 01:26:36 PM
He will not be impeached rather, he WILL get a 2nd term....wait and see.
The DOW just blew through 26,000
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2018, 01:57:45 PM
The DOW just blew through 26,000
From past Republican presidents like Hoover and George W. Bush. It can go down a lot faster than it went up. :trustme: Bunky Bird. :yes:
I sure don't want a Trump depression on top of all the other bullshit he is pulling. :doh: :eek: :zoners:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2018, 10:57:03 AM
The media and most of the democrats are truly pathetic and THEY are the true threat to our Nation right now.[/size][/font][/color]
Spoken like a true communist.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 18, 2018, 09:48:58 AM
Spoken like a true communist.
C'mon Ex, you that is a cheap shot....and you KNOW the media is being obnoxious and extremely unfair....right?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2018, 10:57:03 AM
I was truly embarrassed FOR our Media and the democrats who were in the press conference yesterday as Admiral Jackson, the top presidential doctor....declared President Trump in excellent physical and mental health. Admiral Jackson was appointed by President Obama and kept on by President Trump.
The press was in FULL MELT DOWN!! I had to laugh, but AT them, the press!! It was kind of painful as they went on for 45 minutes trying their BEST to find SOMETHING they could attack....... ;D
It is even MORE funny, when you think about it........Barack Obama smoked, drank, used lots of drugs and once said there were 57 states....and the media had NO concerns about his physical and mental state. Yet, Donald Trump has never smoked, drank, or used drugs, but the 'media" claims to be terribly concerned about his physical and mental state??
This is why Trump goes to twitter and by-passes the "FAKE NEWS".........and I 100% understand this. The media and most of the democrats are truly pathetic and THEY are the true threat to our Nation right now.
https://gop.com/the-highly-anticipated-2017-fake-news-awards/ (https://gop.com/the-highly-anticipated-2017-fake-news-awards/)
And Bunky Bird, you say it's alright that Trump rape women, molest women by slapping them on the ass, grabbing them by the puzzy, touching their breast. Screwing a retired porn star, Stormy Daniels. Who he paid $130,000 to keep it quiet. He also said that Stormy looked just like his daughter. He cheated many business people out of money, he defrauded many people with his phony Trump College. He has went bankrupt 4 times cheating many investors out of million of dollars and making people go bankrupt because of his lies. Plus the 2000 provable lies he has told this first year in office. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant:
With all of this, you damn fool still support him. There is no help for you dumbass. :rant: