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Locutus

Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 13, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
No worries here..... :wink:
The exact same thing was said during the Reagan Admin..... :wink:

Trump is far from Reagan. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on March 13, 2017, 02:55:32 PM
Trump is far from Reagan. 

Locutus, let's have this talk a year from now.  He has been in for less than two months now.....it amazes me how critical you are on him, well not really, but ....

"His errors glide past unchallenged. At one point...he alleged that almost half the population gets a free meal from the government each day. No one told him he was crazy. The general message of the American press is that, yes, while it is perfectly true that the emperor has no clothes, nudity is actually very acceptable this year."
--Simon Hoggart, in The Observer (London), 1986

"an amiable dunce"
--Clark Clifford (former Defense Secretary)

"The task of watering the arid desert between Reagan's ears is a challenging one for his aides."
--Columnist David Broder

There are several quotes by his enemies, that spoke down to him just as you and the media do to Trump.........I remember distinctly how the liberals made fun of him, how they were scared he was going to use the BOMB, how they worried about EVERYTHING he did........yet, he is now remembered by a large majority as ONE of the best POTUS's of all time.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Locutus on March 13, 2017, 02:55:32 PM
Trump is far from Reagan.

Not really; Reagan was pretty much a douche as well.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

I honestly have never understood the romanticized version of the Reagan years that people like Henry believe.  The only possible explanation I can come up with is that they were, at the time, 30 years even more ignorant and less educated than they are today.  :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

libby

I once worked with a woman whose husband worked for Reagan. I asked if she'd met Reagan, and she said yes. I then asked what he was like in person, and she said, "Old" -- and not another word. That was unusual for her, because she talked to me a lot -- especially about her husband who was ... well, let's say I felt sorry for her.
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Locutus

Does anyone besides me find this concerning?



EXECUTIVE ORDER

- - - - - - -

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR REORGANIZING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1.  Purpose.  This order is intended to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of the executive branch by directing the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (Director) to propose a plan to reorganize governmental functions and eliminate unnecessary agencies (as defined in section 551(1) of title 5, United States Code), components of agencies, and agency programs.

Sec. 2.  Proposed Plan to Improve the Efficiency, Effectiveness, and Accountability of Federal Agencies, Including, as Appropriate, to Eliminate or Reorganize Unnecessary or Redundant Federal Agencies.  (a)  Within 180 days of the date of this order, the head of each agency shall submit to the Director a proposed plan to reorganize the agency, if appropriate, in order to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of that agency.

(b)  The Director shall publish a notice in the Federal Register inviting the public to suggest improvements in the organization and functioning of the executive branch and shall consider the suggestions when formulating the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section.

(c)  Within 180 days after the closing date for the submission of suggestions pursuant to subsection (b) of this section, the Director shall submit to the President a proposed plan to reorganize the executive branch in order to improve the efficiency, effectiveness, and accountability of agencies.  The proposed plan shall include, as appropriate, recommendations to eliminate unnecessary agencies, components of agencies, and agency programs, and to merge functions.  The proposed plan shall include recommendations for any legislation or administrative measures necessary to achieve the proposed reorganization.

(d)  In developing the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section, the Director shall consider, in addition to any other relevant factors:

(i)    whether some or all of the functions of an agency, a component, or a program are appropriate for the Federal Government or would be better left to State or local governments or to the private sector through free enterprise;

(ii)   whether some or all of the functions of an agency, a component, or a program are redundant, including with those of another agency, component, or program;

(iii)  whether certain administrative capabilities necessary for operating an agency, a component, or a program are redundant with those of another agency, component, or program;

(iv)   whether the costs of continuing to operate an agency, a component, or a program are justified by the public benefits it provides; and

(v)    the costs of shutting down or merging agencies, components, or programs, including the costs of addressing the equities of affected agency staff.

(e) In developing the proposed plan described in subsection (c) of this section, the Director shall consult with the head of each agency and, consistent with applicable law, with persons or entities outside the Federal Government with relevant expertise in organizational structure and management. 

Sec. 3.  General Provisions.  (a)  Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

DONALD J. TRUMP

THE WHITE HOUSE,
    March 13, 2017.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/13/presidential-executive-order-comprehensive-plan-reorganizing-executive
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

I'd also like to hear what the usual Trumpateers think as well. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

His days are numbered.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

Yeah, but if that were to ever happen, we end up with your ex-governor. 

This may be more than the usual suspects to comprehend, but I would like to hear what they think of this executive order vis a vis his cabinet appointments. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Y

Quote from: Exterminator on March 14, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
His days are numbered.

Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2017, 05:33:49 PM
Yeah, but if that were to ever happen, we end up with your ex-governor.

It's even worse than you imagine.  The damn RW nutcases have the country in a trick bag.

If Drumpf is shitcanned, as Loc points out we get the RW religious psychopath Pence.  But it gets even worse from there.

If Pence falls, we get that idiot Ryan.  If Ryan's dumped, we get that senile fart McConnell.

Face it, the RW power base has manipulated the system so there are no good options and only their crazy solutions - and I'm not so certain that Drumpf isn't just a dumbarse puppet for those behind the scenes just like Ray-gun and the Shrub were.

I don't think we can even mitigate the damage they'll cause until the next elections.   :rant:
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Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

Quote from: Exterminator on March 14, 2017, 12:21:50 PM
I honestly have never understood the romanticized version of the Reagan years that people like Henry believe.  The only possible explanation I can come up with is that they were, at the time, 30 years even more ignorant and less educated than they are today.  :rolleyes:

Me neither.  He was an idiot, a puppet, and a senile old fool.  I despise the fact that I voted for him in '80.  I should have known better.  I'd seen his actions in California.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2017, 04:45:43 PM
I'd also like to hear what the usual Trumpateers think as well.

It's just the setup for what those crazy corrupt RW maniacs have been wanting to do for ages.

There will go protections and oversight we'd fought so hard to get.  They really intend to set us back to pre-FDR and pre-TR times.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Y on March 14, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
Me neither.  He was an idiot, a puppet, and a senile old fool.
I rest my case.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

Quote from: Y on March 14, 2017, 06:19:18 PM
It's even worse than you imagine.  The damn RW nutcases have the country in a trick bag.

. . .
I don't think we can even mitigate the damage they'll cause until the next elections.   :rant:

Yes they do indeed.  :mad:

Sweet baby Jeebus Hangin' on Da Cross; I hope you are wrong. . .  :spooked:
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The Troll



  Hey Hawk ( shit for brains)  What about your crazy fool Trump.  You Republicans cried about Obama spending $12 Million a year for vacations.  Wow, your fool has spent in the last 8 weeks, yes, 8 weeks $15 Million going to Florida.  Please tell me you can approve of that foolish spending.  All this and the taxpayers are paying for the protection of Trumps wife who refuses to live in the White House.  Come on Bird Brain please tell us how you love this spending.  :haha:  :haha: