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[Exterminator]

You are truly a dumbass.

Me being a dumbass by pointing out how ridiculous your statement was is almost as stupid as me being a racist by calling you out on your obvious bigotry.

[Palehorse]

So here's the list of items the Hypocrite Party turned their heads to during the 2016 POTUS election:

Russian interference - no problem
Campaign infractions - no problem
Confessed to sexual assault - no problem
Ran the Birther movement - no problem
Said he'd lock up Hillary - no problem
Endorsed by the KKK - no problem
Endorsed by American Nazi party - no problem
Makes fun of the Handicapped- no problem
Openly racist - no problem
Many failed businesses - no problem
No tax returns - no problem
Doesn't pay taxes - no problem
Wants to register Muslims in the US - no problem
Rips off veterans - no problem
Uses his foundation to pay fines - no problem
Bribes to avoid prosecution- no problem
Many lawsuits pending - no problem
Rips off contractors - no problem
Outsources all his hotel stuff - no problem
Employs immigrant labor - no problem
Chinese steel in construction - no problem
US banks have blacklisted him - no problem
Debt carried by Russian mafia - no problem
Wants to weaken NATO - no problem
His wife worked in the US illegally - no problem
Twitter tantrums at the drop of a hat - no problem
Settles lawsuit but admits no guilt - no problem
Wants to violate the constitutionally protected rights of flag burners by taking away their citizenship- no problem

We'll see how this plays out. . . 

[The Troll]

  Guys hang on to your pants and you women don't let you panties bunch up and please sit down.

  Danny Boy Quayle the other vice president from Indiana was seen going into Trump Tower.   

  OMG the son of a bitch  is surly draining the swamp by bringing Danny Boy Quayle back to life. 

[The Troll]

  I thought that Trump couldn't out do himself bringing Dan Quayle to Trump Tower.    But CNBC is reporting that Trump is considering Sarah Palin as the head of the VA.      OMG  WTF 

[parkerdivine]

He's a fucking idiot.  I hope his supporters are proud of what they've given the country.

How is he the only one who did this?  You guys act as though this only happened now...NEVER before has this occurred...JUST now....

[Locutus]

How is he the only one who did this?  You guys act as though this only happened now...NEVER before has this occurred...JUST now....

I don't understand what you mean.  The only one who did what?

[The Troll]

  Trump hasn't brought any jobs back to America.     But Pence just gave Carrier $700,000 of Indiana taxpayer money, to keep the 1,000 jobs here in Indiana.      That's $700 for every job.     Just how long will that keep Carrier in Indiana when they can pay $5.00 per for Mexican labor instead of $25.00 per hour for American workers.     

[Exterminator]

  Trump hasn't brought any jobs back to America.     But Pence just gave Carrier $700,000 of Indiana taxpayer money, to keep the 1,000 jobs here in Indiana.      That's $700 for every job.     Just how long will that keep Carrier in Indiana when they can pay $5.00 per for Mexican labor instead of $25.00 per hour for American workers.     

When you add in the $7 million in tax breaks Indiana is giving Carrier, the total is more like $9,000 per job per year or $750.00 per person per month that this costs taxpayers.  How is this not welfare?

[Locutus]

When you add in the $7 million in tax breaks Indiana is giving Carrier, the total is more like $9,000 per job per year or $750.00 per person per month that this costs taxpayers.  How is this not welfare?

There's an article in Indy Star stating that it was federal access of the parent company - United Technologies - that most likely swung this deal.  As always, the devil is in the details on something like this, but according to that article, United Technologies receives about $5.6 billion a year in federal money, or about 10 percent of its overall revenue.  That's a lot of money. 

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/30/federal-contracts-likely-biggest-factor-carrier-deal/94670496/

[The Troll]

Hey wait a a god damn minute.    What about the 700 jobs in Huntington, Indiana that
Carrier's parent company is shutting down.     The people there made controls for the products that the plant in Indianapolis makes. 

  Let's see, $7,000,000 Indiana taxpayer cash for Carrier to save a 1,000 jobs, yet 1,400 jobs plus the 700 jobs, in Huntington (total 2,100 jobs) are still going to Mexico.   

  OMG, that Donald Trump sure can make a good deal for Carrier.   Aren't you glad he's working for us here in the United States.        WTF.    I'll bet you won't see this on Fox News.      It would be funny if it wasn't true.       

[Palehorse]

There's an article in Indy Star stating that it was federal access of the parent company - United Technologies - that most likely swung this deal.  As always, the devil is in the details on something like this, but according to that article, United Technologies receives about $5.6 billion a year in federal money, or about 10 percent of its overall revenue.  That's a lot of money. 

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/30/federal-contracts-likely-biggest-factor-carrier-deal/94670496/

Yup. The federal contracts of UT played a huge roll in the leverage utilized to keep that plant open; but it did nothing for the 1100 other jobs leaving the state for Mexico due to additional plant closures initiated by Carrier. And one has to wonder just how much more of our tax dollars are going to be spent providing sweetheart deals to corporate entities in an effort to bribe them to stay here in this country.

And speaking of taxes, the Raging Cheeto spoke about how "America is the highest taxed nation in the world", but he wasn't talking about you or me. He was talking about corporate Amerika and claiming we are taxing them out of the country. . .

A study conducted this year by Price Waterhouse and the World Bank says otherwise, in fact after developing a formula to come up with a total tax rate, (which includes not only income taxes but also labor taxes, property taxes, profit taxes, etc.), for 189 different countries around the world. The US came in at 43.9%, well below the 2 countries the Raging Cheeto claims this nation is losing to. (China at 67.8% and Mexico at 51.7%) Moreover the US ranked 64th from the top in taxation world-wide.

When looking at the actual tax burdens of corporations operating within the US and taxed here, the US comes in far from the top compared to the 33 other industrialized nations in the world.

Revenue % of GDP          Corp Tax Rev % of GDP           Tax Rev Per Capita

1. Denmark 50.9%                1. Norway 7.1%                     1. Luxembourg $49,911
2. France 45.2%                    2. New Zealand 4.4%             2. Norway $38,019
3. Belgium 44.7%                  3. Luxembourg 4.3%             3.  Denmark $31,054
31. US 26.0%                        17. US 2.6%                          19. US $14,204

So again, we see the Raging Cheeto running off at the mouth, pulling facts out of his sphincter, and expecting the masses to bow and accept what he is saying as fact, when in fact it is fiction.

So why are corporations running for the boarder?

Pretty simple really, labor costs. Decades of LEAN and 6-Sigma initiatives have squeezed every bit of the low hanging fruit from the processes within manufacturing in this nation. Japan may have "created" the first processes utilizing such methodologies but the US has made great strides itself. The drive toward increasing the bottom line demands annual savings be achieved each and every year, so leaderships goals always have a growing weight attached toward the achievement of cost savings as a means to fatten the bottom line. Failure to achieve it means loss of bonus and decreased or elimination of salary increases to those high in the food chain.

The achievement of further efficiencies require automation and huge capital investments which corporate purse string holders aren't going for. That reduces profit levels and makes the investors unhappy. Find something else, something easier.

Labor is always the first thing looked at and when you are comparing hourly wages that once, (and in some ever shrinking number of cases still are), hovered around $25/hr to wages of $5/hr or less in Mexico, and then factor in the benefits rates in the US vs NO benefits in Mexico, it doesn't take long for the bean counters to start raising the lets move flag and gaining a lot of support for it.

The fact that trade agreements like NAFTA facilitates things to move that way by eliminating or substantially reducing import taxation of products built outside of this country and brought into it only exacerbates the situation. (On this front I have to admit to the sole point of agreement I can find in the Raging Cheeto's stated game plan. Impose import tax rates on companies that leave the US and import their products here).

Willie G. Davidson petitioned President Ronald Reagan to impose an import tax on Japanese motorcycles, when he and a consortium of employees bought the company back from AMF and discovered that they could not compete with the lower price tags on the imported products. Even though their quality bugs had been worked out and the newly designed lineup of HD Bikes were comparable to the imported bikes, HD could not make them any cheaper without severely cutting labor and operational costs to the point where they wouldn't be able to keep workers in the plants. Ronnie agreed to do it for 5 years, and imposed the import tax on the Japanese bikes. And halfway through the 5 year period Willie went back to him and told him to remove it; "We've got it from here".

It had taken 2.5 years for Americans to slowly realize that they could buy an American made bike for the same price or cheaper than a similarly powered Japanese bike; and once they did they converted in droves and haven't looked back.

It is just like Ross said during his run for POTUS back in the day when NAFTA was first being talked about and considered, "That giant sucking sound you hear will be US jobs leaving this country if this agreement is passed." He was not wrong.

How we go about getting them back is another animal entirely, and I am not sure the Raging Cheeto is the answer given his proclivity for pulling facts out of his sphincter!

[AbbyTC]

Yup. The federal contracts of UT played a huge roll in the leverage utilized to keep that plant open; but it did nothing for the 1100 other jobs leaving the state for Mexico..........

Thanks for all that information, Palehorse.  Were you a reference librarian at some point in your life?  Or a past life?   

[Palehorse]

Thanks for all that information, Palehorse.  Were you a reference librarian at some point in your life?  Or a past life?   

No. But I do live down the road from a Holiday Inn Express! 

Actually, a lot of my post is information I accessed doing research for something else, or is based upon my actual professional experience and education during my very diverse career.

My formative years did indeed find me within the confines of libraries quite often in order to do research on one subject or another. I had a hard time transitioning to electronic research once I returned to higher educational aspirations years ago. But I endured and can hold my own most times.

I have an ever growing personal reference library of hard cover texts, quotational compendiums, and reference books that I accumulated throughout my college courses; and that I continue to accumulate via book sales, rummage sales, etc. . . Electronic is good, don't get me wrong, but I am more than a bit "old school" and electronic research just cannot hold a candle to good old bound paper and ink.

Our book cases are in the loft and I get a fair amount of exercise at times due to my obsession with going to the books to reconfirm my thoughts or develop facts to support my thoughts. 13 steps up and down each time. Who needs a gym? 

[AbbyTC]

No. But I do live down the road from a Holiday Inn Express! 

Actually, a lot of my post is information I accessed doing research for something else, or is based upon my actual professional experience and education during my very diverse career.

My formative years did indeed find me within the confines of libraries quite often in order to do research on one subject or another. I had a hard time transitioning to electronic research once I returned to higher educational aspirations years ago. But I endured and can hold my own most times.

I have an ever growing personal reference library of hard cover texts, quotational compendiums, and reference books that I accumulated throughout my college courses; and that I continue to accumulate via book sales, rummage sales, etc. . . Electronic is good, don't get me wrong, but I am more than a bit "old school" and electronic research just cannot hold a candle to good old bound paper and ink.

Our book cases are in the loft and I get a fair amount of exercise at times due to my obsession with going to the books to reconfirm my thoughts or develop facts to support my thoughts. 13 steps up and down each time. Who needs a gym? 

You get to exercise your brain and your body!     That's wonderful. 

I've always liked looking stuff up, but being from an evangelical fundie background, asking too much and searching too much was frowned upon, especially if it went against the bible.  I'm free from that now and love to hear differing opinions (when fact based) and read about different ideas from mine.  I think that's why I love working in the library so much.  When I need a break, sometimes I'll go over to the non-fiction section and straighten up the shelves so I can check out the books and discover something new. I've been so busy I haven't had a chance to do that in the last few weeks. 

[Exterminator]

Every time I read a story about Carrier the number of jobs saved gets lower.  First it was over 1,000 jobs, then it was almost 1,000, then it was 850, then it was nearly 800 and now it's down to 730.  Wonder when the downward spiral will stop?