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me

#1995
August 16, 2017, 05:54:45 PM
Trump 2020

AbbyTC

#1996
August 16, 2017, 07:34:53 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 16, 2017, 04:17:50 PM
How about the Lenin Statue in Seattle?

Should we tear that down?

I have a feeling you only know about this statue because of meme on FB.  Here's the story:  http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/lenin-statue-is-loved-hated-and-very-fremont/   and from Fremont themselves: https://fremont.com/about/lenin/   This is a privately owned statue.

From another article I read:  "Lenin will also be overlooking the Sunday Flea Market, which we think will be appropriate: Lenin the father of communism overlooking micro-capitalism at its best."  I have to wonder how many of our young people know who Lenin is, and if they don't and see him looking over a flea market think he approves capitalism. 

I'm not defending this, honestly I'm not sure where I stand on this whole tear down the statue thing.  I understand both sides.  What I do not agree with is when someone says we are getting rid of history by taking down a statue.  Why?  We have no books telling us what happened?  I've never seen a statue of Gen. Lee, but I know the history behind him. 
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

Palehorse

#1997
August 17, 2017, 12:42:29 AM
The statues glorify those that supported slavery and racism in history.

If you don't want them torn down, then place them into museums. End of controversy.

But rather than do something sensible we allow one of the most egregious hate organizations in the nation to hold a rally in protest of the tearing down of the statues. Know full well that said "rally" will drive those opposing said hate and racism to conduct a counter protest. A 6 year old could have predicted it.

The same shit happened when they rallied in Humbolt park in Chicago many years ago. And like this recent event, the white supremacy assholes were armed to the teeth. People were beaten, shot, maimed and killed. But the Potus didn't fan the flames of hatred and makes statements blaming all sides back then. Instead he placed blame where it belonged upon those that incited the conflict.

One of the leaders in his false bravado granted an interview to a reporter, showing her the semi automatic hand guns he was "carrying at all times"; a glock, Ruger, and Keltec : each in 9mm. And 2 Assault rifles. . . Who goes to a peaceful protest armed like that? Those looking for conflict. This same leader is epically failing post event is his attempt to play the victim card with the media, while crying crocodile tears.

So should the anti-hate protestors have gone to their counter protest unarmed? The reality is most of them did. In fact all but the extremist faction amongst them. (Which were n the minority). And yet the Raging Cheeto places blame upon them all. Horseshit. 😡

The hate faction in the current event incited what happened. Then they killed an innocent woman and injured 19 others by using a motor vehicle driven intentionally into a crowd of counter protestors.

How ANY elected leader could see his/her way to find it acceptable to blame this upon those holding the moral high ground in this situation is astonishing. He is doing nothing but increasing the bravado of the white supremacists because they see it as supportive. And they are not wrong about that. 😡😡😡
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

#1998
August 17, 2017, 02:02:02 AM
They were both in the wrong period. What I actually came here to do is post this video about what Trump said about David Duke 17 yrs ago, he does not approve of him or his ways.
https://www.youtube.com/v/cmixFl8Sxfo
Trump 2020

Exterminator

#1999
August 17, 2017, 07:29:16 AM
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 16, 2017, 07:34:53 PM
What I do not agree with is when someone says we are getting rid of history by taking down a statue.  Why?  We have no books telling us what happened?

Like these people read books?  They want the statues left there so that when they get drug into court for not paying child support or to face their latest meth charges they can learn history.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#2000
August 17, 2017, 07:31:26 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on August 17, 2017, 12:42:29 AM
How ANY elected leader could see his/her way to find it acceptable to blame those upon those holding the moral high ground in this situation is astonishing.

...to everyone but our resident bigots.  :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#2001
August 17, 2017, 07:32:23 AM
Quote from: me on August 16, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
If hatred for something causes a group to be violent then, yes, they are a hate group.

You have yet to explain what they hate.  It isn't a trick question.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#2002
August 17, 2017, 08:34:48 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on August 16, 2017, 05:33:22 PM
You don't know anything about Lenin, do you?

I know he was a DICTATOR of the Communist Soviet Union.....He led massive killings and severe oppression's (See Red Terror).......Yeah, why not have a statue of him in Seattle.... :rolleyes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#2003
August 17, 2017, 09:33:26 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 17, 2017, 08:34:48 AM
I know he was a DICTATOR of the Communist Soviet Union.....He led massive killings and severe oppression's (See Red Terror).......Yeah, why not have a statue of him in Seattle.... :rolleyes:

You know that statue is privately owned and routinely mocked by dressing it up, right?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#2004
August 17, 2017, 10:50:52 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on August 17, 2017, 09:33:26 AM
You know that statue is privately owned and routinely mocked by dressing it up, right?
I do now.  They should arrest anyone trying to destruct it. Same with any statue.  Respectfully removing, not acting like barbarians, publicly destroying it, kicking it and spitting on it tells a lot about people.

My take on the confederate statues, is it should be up to the towns people.  If they no longer want it get rid of it.  If the people want it, then protect it.

Just for arguments sake........where does it stop?  As Trump pointed out, should Washington and Jefferson landmarks be destroyed because they were once slave owners?

"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history." George Orwell
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

#2005
August 17, 2017, 11:07:48 AM
Quote from: me on August 17, 2017, 02:02:02 AM
They were both in the wrong period. What I actually came here to do is post this video about what Trump said about David Duke 17 yrs ago, he does not approve of him or his ways.
https://www.youtube.com/v/cmixFl8Sxfo

Which one used lethal force?
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

#2006
August 17, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on August 17, 2017, 11:07:48 AM
Which one used lethal force?
At this time, we know it was a 20-year old nut job.

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#2007
August 17, 2017, 11:30:06 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on August 17, 2017, 07:32:23 AM
You have yet to explain what they hate.  It isn't a trick question.
Trump
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#2008
August 17, 2017, 11:37:05 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 17, 2017, 10:50:52 AM
My take on the confederate statues, is it should be up to the towns people.  If they no longer want it get rid of it.  If the people want it, then protect it.

As I pointed out to Trump on his Twitter feed, virtually all of these statues and plaques were erected by segregationists and were intended to scare and humiliate people of color, not to celebrate a common experience.  That's the real history.

QuoteJust for arguments sake........where does it stop?  As Trump pointed out, should Washington and Jefferson landmarks be destroyed because they were once slave owners?

Lee was a traitor who took up arms against U.S. soldiers.  Despite owning slaves himself, Jefferson wrote an ordinance preventing new states that entered the union from allowing slavery and Washington freed his slaves in his will.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#2009
August 17, 2017, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 17, 2017, 11:30:06 AM
Trump

I guess that makes you part of a hate group as well then, huh?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.
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