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Exterminator

Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.

Posts like this one prove that if it doesn't fit their narrative, they'll ignore it as though it never happened:

Quote from: me on February 11, 2017, 12:48:03 AM
No, I didn't and probably won't.
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Exterminator

Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.

I'm guessing this is far from over.  The Justice Department warned the White House a month ago that Flynn could potentially be blackmailed by the Russians so they knew about this as well.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.
Out of respect for you, Locutus, I am going to reply with a response that I recently read and found very, very interesting....

The Obama appointees still inhabiting the bowels of the State and Justice Departments orchestrated the coup that brought down General Michael Flynn who quit as National Security Advisor only four weeks into Trump's term.

Waiting until their confirmations as secretary of state and defense, neither Tillerson nor Sessions have had the time to replace the Obama appointees.  But, in the interregnum, the Obama operatives used the time to slit Flynn's throat, Washington style.

Flynn, anxious to head off Russian retaliation against U.S. sanctions, spoke with Moscow's Ambassador Sergey I. Kislyak to assuage his concerns over the sanctions imposed in the wake of Russian intervention in Ukraine and Crimea.  Because he did so before Trump took office -- but after his own appointment -- he ran afoul of established protocol.

The alert Obama-era wiretappers pounced, taping the conversation and leaking it to the media.  Former Obama officials were quoted in the New York Times as saying that Flynn reassured the ambassador that Mr. Trump would adopt a more accommodating tone on Russia once in office.  They said that Flynn urged Russia not to retaliate against any sanctions because an overreaction would make any future cooperation more complicated."  One Obama official said that "he appeared to leave the impression that it would be possible" to ease the U.S. sanctions under the new president.

Then the former Obama folks at the Justice Department chimed in, gratuitously warning the incoming president that there was a blackmail risk that Moscow might hold the fact of the conversation over Flynn's head as he served in office.

Finally, the former Obama folks at the Defense Department scrutinized a 2015 trip to Moscow by Flynn during which he received a payment to attend an anniversary celebration of a Kremlin operated TV station.  The payment (it might have been a nominal gift of some sort) had to be reported because Flynn is a former general. 

Essentially, the Obama team at State, Justice, and Defense acted as opposition researchers for Obama and the Democrats to frame the incoming National Security Advisor and leak his sins to the media.

Caught in the trap sprung by the Democratic operatives, Flynn, unfortunately doubled down and lied to VP Mike Pence, concealing the full extent of his conversation with the Russians.  But never fear, the Obama minions helpfully provided the full text of the Flynn-Kislyak conversation that showed the former general had gone further in reassuring the Russians.

Once Flynn lied to the Vice President and Pence had gone out in public to defend him, a resignation was inevitable.

But the prospect of the political appointees in one administration using their powers and surveillance capabilities to bring about the resignation of a highly placed official in the incoming administration is, itself, a more alarming event than any perpetrated by Michael Flynn.
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libby

Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 10:35:43 AM
I'd like to know what our resident Trumpateers think about the Flynn situation.

My response is that it's very scary because there are so many possibilities about what has been, still is going on, beginning (as far as we know) with the discovery that the Russians were involved in the POTUS election, and that Flynn, a former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, has been involved with the Russians.


All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

The Troll



  Trump emptied the swamp and how he's starting to fill it again, starting with Flynn.   :haha:  :haha:

libby

Quote from: The Troll on February 14, 2017, 05:13:08 PM

  Trump emptied the swamp and how he's starting to fill it again, starting with Flynn.   :haha:  :haha:
Trump doesn't seem to have a clue that you don't get rid of all the federal workers, starting with the State Department, who run the country, UNTIL you find people with like skills and experience to replace them.
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Locutus

Quote from: libby on February 14, 2017, 05:10:38 PM
My response is that it's very scary because there are so many possibilities about what has been, still is going on, beginning (as far as we know) with the discovery that the Russians were involved in the POTUS election, and that Flynn, a former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, has been involved with the Russians.




Did you read Hank's response above?   What do you think about that?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

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libby

Quote from: Locutus on February 14, 2017, 05:25:02 PM
Did you read Hank's response above?   What do you think about that?
:rolleyes: Only one comment: what Flynn has been involved in is not a "protocol" lapse.
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Palehorse

Quote from: libby on February 14, 2017, 06:11:46 PM
  :rolleyes: Only one comment: what Flynn has been involved in is not a "protocol" lapse.

Strikes me as treasonous. . .
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Palehorse

There is a Russian warship in international waters off the coast of Delaware. A known spy ship equipped to intercept communications.

Russia has apparently deployed a land based cruise missile in violation of treaty. . .

Just last week 2 Russian aircraft flew within 1000 feet of a USN Cruiser on the Black Sea. . .

Here. We. Go.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

The libs need to back off and let Trump get his people in place so he can take care things. This is getting ridiculous and they are only making asses of themselves by what they're doing.
Trump 2020

Palehorse

Quote from: me on February 14, 2017, 10:22:20 PM
The libs need to back off and let Trump get his people in place so he can take care things. This is getting ridiculous and they are only making asses of themselves by what they're doing.

Come on. Flynn screwed the pooch and was asked to resign by the Raging Cheeto himself. Moreover, he is the third in as many weeks to have been discovered to have close Russian ties. . .

The Raging Cheeto had at least 12 months to get his people in place and do his homework. He chose not to, so now we have this.

You can try to deflect all you want by blaming it (poorly) on "the libs", but the reality is they're stepping on their own junk and imploding. . . The Raging Cheeto just wants to say, "you're fired" again and again. It's what he knows. . .  :rotfl:

https://www.youtube.com/v/75SEy1qu71I
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Locutus

How long before the FBI indicts Flynn for lying?  ;D

I suspect it's coming. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 14, 2017, 02:57:21 PM
But the prospect of the political appointees in one administration using their powers and surveillance capabilities to bring about the resignation of a highly placed official in the incoming administration is, itself, a more alarming event than any perpetrated by Michael Flynn.

Oh, yeah, that's way worse than fucking treason.   :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

The Troll



                                  WELL GUYS, HOW MUCH TIME HAS TRUMP LEFT BEFORE HE IS IMPEACHED??????   :hanged: :behead: :devil4: :kick: :grin2: