any thoughts on the Trayvon Martin and Zimmerman incident?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2012, 11:07:06 AM
any thoughts on the Trayvon Martin and Zimmerman incident?
Yep, Zimmerman should havge been charged and a jury should have been left to decide if he acted in self-defense. The problem that I have with the situation is that some people don't seem to realize that the stand your ground law doesn't only apply to Zimmerman but to Martin as well. Zimmerman followed and probably tried to detain Martin when he had no authority to do so. Had he followed the instructions he was given by law enforcement and let them handle it, Trayvon Martin would be alive today. Martin's death is a direct result of bad decisions made by Zimmerman, ergo, Zimmerman is responsible for his death.
You don't get to cry self-defense when you shoot someone as a result of an altercation that you initiated.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 29, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
Yep, Zimmerman should havge been charged and a jury should have been left to decide if he acted in self-defense. The problem that I have with the situation is that some people don't seem to realize that the stand your ground law doesn't only apply to Zimmerman but to Martin as well. Zimmerman followed and probably tried to detain Martin when he had no authority to do so. Had he followed the instructions he was given by law enforcement and let them handle it, Trayvon Martin would be alive today. Martin's death is a direct result of bad decisions made by Zimmerman, ergo, Zimmerman is responsible for his death.
You don't get to cry self-defense when you shoot someone as a result of an altercation that you initiated.
I actually tend to agree with you on this. I think the police did a poor job of handling this. Why are there no pictures of the injuries to Martin? I do not think Trayvon is completely innocent though, at least not in the fashion he was at first being portrayed.
Still needs to go to trial and let the experts figure this one out. I think the hoopla with Black Panthers and Sharpton need to back off....
Agreed and agreed.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2012, 11:07:06 AM
any thoughts on the Trayvon Martin and Zimmerman incident?
I think it was a hate murder. When you approach a person with a gun and you have no right to and he is unarmed and he puts up a defense, it is cold blooded murder. :rant:
The New Black Panther Party has issued a "dead or alive" bounty for Zimmerman's capture. Its value was originally $10,000. On Wednesday that amount was increased dramatically — to $1 million.
I think it is time for Obama to address THIS issue!!!
This nation has NEVER been so divided as it is now.... :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
This nation has NEVER been so divided as it is now.... :no:
Bush divided the nation; thank him.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 29, 2012, 03:01:33 PM
Bush divided the nation; thank him.
WHAT???? Where the hell have you been anyway? I can't believe you said that.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 29, 2012, 02:33:32 PM
The New Black Panther Party has issued a "dead or alive" bounty for Zimmerman's capture. Its value was originally $10,000. On Wednesday that amount was increased dramatically — to $1 million.
I think it is time for Obama to address THIS issue!!!
This nation has NEVER been so divided as it is now.... :no:
That is unreal. Yes, Obama should be out there trying to calm things down instead of making statements to fan the flames or none at all. Seems like no one has mentioned Zimmerman appears to be of Latino heritage ...nnnnnnnoooooooooooo he is labeled as white for stirring up trouble by certain hate groups. And then there's that little stunt Spike Lee pulled. What a guy.
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2012, 12:30:52 PM
I think it was a hate murder. When you approach a person with a gun and you have no right to and he is unarmed and he puts up a defense, it is cold blooded murder. :rant:
And this is a prime example of stirring the pot. There are different witnesses that have shed more light on what went down and Trayvon was in a "gated" community. If he had been white wearing a hoodie the results could have been the same since he would have been unfamiliar in the area.
Quote from: me on March 29, 2012, 08:00:09 PM
And this is a prime example of stirring the pot. There are different witnesses that have shed more light on what went down and Trayvon was in a "gated" community. If he had been white wearing a hoodie the results could have been the same since he would have been unfamiliar in the area.
Yes, he was in a gated community visiting his dad. You ever wear a hoodie, I have many times. The man who killed him had no business even bothering him especially after he was told to leave him alone. My god are you stupid.
You are always claiming your not racist, but defending the killer say that Trayyon was wearing a hoodie in a gated community. To be a real gated community, you have to have gate and security guard on the gate.
The killer was in his car when he seen Trayyon and he chased him a half a block into the houses with a gun. I call it out and out murder. One more killed by a want to be cop. :rant:
Quote from: me on March 29, 2012, 07:52:05 PM
That is unreal. Yes, Obama should be out there trying to calm things down instead of making statements to fan the flames or none at all. Seems like no one has mentioned Zimmerman appears to be of Latino heritage ...nnnnnnnoooooooooooo he is labeled as white for stirring up trouble by certain hate groups. And then there's that little stunt Spike Lee pulled. What a guy.
Did O0 Spike Lee kill anybody? This is a state of Florida, they pass this law that was to ill defined to say what stand your ground was and what it was not. You Republican are crying about state rights, why bring in Obama. So you can turn around and blame him for the murder. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2012, 08:47:51 PM
Did O0 Spike Lee kill anybody? This is a state of Florida, they pass this law that was to ill defined to say what stand your ground was and what it was not. You Republican are crying about state rights, why bring in Obama. So you can turn around and blame him for the murder. :rolleyes:
He very well could have caused the deaths of those two elderly people whose address he gave thinking it was Zimmerman's. What if someone had set the house on fire? What if he had given out your address to thousands of people who follow him on twitter? Then what would you think of his little stunt?
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2012, 08:40:55 PM
Yes, he was in a gated community visiting his dad. You ever wear a hoodie, I have many times. The man who killed him had no business even bothering him especially after he was told to leave him alone. My god are you stupid.
You are always claiming your not racist, but defending the killer say that Trayyon was wearing a hoodie in a gated community. To be a real gated community, you have to have gate and security guard on the gate.
The killer was in his car when he seen Trayyon and he chased him a half a block into the houses with a gun. I call it out and out murder. One more killed by a want to be cop. :rant:
Why, if he were visiting his dad was he not recognized by Zimmerman who lives in the neighborhood and why did Trayvon not know there had been a problems and a need for a neighborhood watch? The man who shot him was not "white" hes is a Mexican American and he tutors blacks......Profile of a "white" racist???? I think not.
Quote from: me on March 29, 2012, 10:40:29 PM
He very well could have caused the deaths of those two elderly people whose address he gave thinking it was Zimmerman's. What if someone had set the house on fire? What if he had given out your address to thousands of people who follow him on twitter? Then what would you think of his little stunt?
Just where in hell are you getting all of this shit? Fox News. Try watching MSNBC from 8 to 10 PM and learn something. The boy was about a 100 yards from his dad's girlfriend's house. Straight up the sidewalk. Just where did you get he gave the killer an address.
I think in my whole life I have never seen someone as nuts as your are. Where in hell are you getting this information. :rant:
Quote from: me on March 29, 2012, 10:44:42 PM
Why, if he were visiting his dad was he not recognized by Zimmerman who lives in the neighborhood and why did Trayvon not know there had been a problems and a need for a neighborhood watch? The man who shot him was not "white" hes is a Mexican American and he tutors blacks......Profile of a "white" racist???? I think not.
Who in hell cares what color Zimmerman was. Also I never heard a Mexican called Zimmerman. Also a neighborhood watch? Are you nuts there are town and areas all over this country, neighbors watching out for neighbors. Hell, they wanted to start one in my town, "Mayberry". I don't want to tell my town, just like Zimmerman's dad didn't want to show his face. I always thought a neighborhood watch was if you seen something going on, you called the cops and let them handle the problem.
I got a male neighbor who live across the street from me and I have see him so little I wouldn't recognized if I ran into him anywhere. I can see there is no use arguing with someone that so ill informed. :jester:
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2012, 11:04:17 PM
Who in hell cares what color Zimmerman was. Also I never heard a Mexican called Zimmerman. Also a neighborhood watch? Are you nuts there are town and areas all over this country, neighbors watching out for neighbors. Hell, they wanted to start one in my town, "Mayberry". I don't want to tell my town, just like Zimmerman's dad didn't want to show his face. I always thought a neighborhood watch was if you seen something going on, you called the cops and let them handle the problem.
I got a male neighbor who live across the street from me and I have see him so little I wouldn't recognized if I ran into him anywhere. I can see there is no use arguing with someone that so ill informed. :jester:
Uh, mom Mexican, dad white....she takes his name when they get married....Mexican American with the last name Zimmerman...duh....get yer heat outta yer ass and think for once.
Where was all this outrage when the two black boys poured gas on the white boy and set him on fire? Now that was a hate crime.
Yes, this was an unfortunate incident but all the media is doing is getting things riled up and causing unrest and possible problems for innocent people.
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2012, 10:46:35 PM
Just where in hell are you getting all of this shit? Fox News. Try watching MSNBC from 8 to 10 PM and learn something. The boy was about a 100 yards from his dad's girlfriend's house. Straight up the sidewalk. Just where did you get he gave the killer an address.
I think in my whole life I have never seen someone as nuts as your are. Where in hell are you getting this information. :rant:
Spike Lee, in all his glorious wisdom, thought he had Zimmerman's address and gave it out to all the people who follow him on twitter and asked them to go to the house and protest knowing full well that the Black Panthers have a contract out on Zimmerman. He did not check to make sure he had the address correct and it was the address to the home of an elderly couple who had to leave their home because of it. CBS News not Fox :razz: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57405929-501465/spike-lee-retweets-incorrect-address-of-george-zimmerman-violates-twitter-rules/
Spike Lee retweets incorrect address of George Zimmerman, violates Twitter rules
Did Spike Lee have his residential address in that community, or an address of where he's in hiding. News reports around here in Florida are saying that he's in hiding in fear of his safety. Regardless of whether it's a real address or not, Spike Lee should have his Twitter account suspended for that kind of crap.
Quote from: Locutus on March 30, 2012, 12:37:27 AM
Did Spike Lee have his residential address in that community, or an address of where he's in hiding. News reports around here in Florida are saying that he's in hiding in fear of his safety. Regardless of whether it's a real address or not, Spike Lee should have his Twitter account suspended for that kind of crap.
He had the address of an elderly couple not Zimmerman. The article said their son's name is similar to Zimmerman's and that's the only connection.
Quote from: The Troll on March 29, 2012, 10:46:35 PM
Just where in hell are you getting all of this shit? Fox News. Try watching MSNBC from 8 to 10 PM and learn something. The boy was about a 100 yards from his dad's girlfriend's house. Straight up the sidewalk. Just where did you get he gave the killer an address.
I think in my whole life I have never seen someone as nuts as your are. Where in hell are you getting this information. :rant:
Troll try reading the news or listening to something OTHER than MSNBC........seriously.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2012, 07:58:45 AM
Troll try reading the news or listening to something OTHER than MSNBC........seriously.
I have got to say one thing, you Hawk and "me" are two people that I totally disagree with on 99% of the things you say or do.
"Me" your raceism really show through, "if he had been the person who committed the crimes and started fires. All bullshit.
Yes, Spike Lee screwed up and there should be some kind of penalty.
Hawk, it shows your open mindless. I have never heard or seen MSNBC lying to me, I sure can't say that for Fox, give me a break dummy. :grin2:
Quote from: me on March 30, 2012, 12:28:03 AM
Uh, mom Mexican, dad white....she takes his name when they get married....Mexican American with the last name Zimmerman...duh....get yer heat outta yer ass and think for once.
Where was all this outrage when the two black boys poured gas on the white boy and set him on fire? Now that was a hate crime.
Yes, this was an unfortunate incident but all the media is doing is getting things riled up and causing unrest and possible problems for innocent people.
I watch the news very closely, just when did two black boys pour gas on a white boy, it sure got pass me. When did it happen when a white and a Mexican mix blood the call the offspring Mexican. :doh:
Sure it's unfortunate, why don't they arrest the killer and let the courts handle it. That might help a little. What do you think would happen if the same thing happened in Anderson. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on March 30, 2012, 09:22:54 AM
I watch the news very closely, just when did two black boys pour gas on a white boy, it sure got pass me. When did it happen when a white and a Mexican mix blood the call the offspring Mexican. :doh:
Sure it's unfortunate, why don't they arrest the killer and let the courts handle it. That might help a little. What do you think would happen if the same thing happened in Anderson. :rant:
because the MAIN stream MEDIA does not want to report such incidents....and especially the lop-sided news YOU watch...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html)
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station)
Since this was just a white boy.......it is NOT a hate crime.
When is the hypocrisy going to end?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2012, 09:29:03 AM
because the MAIN stream MEDIA does not want to report such incidents....and especially the lop-sided news YOU watch...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html)
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station)
Since this was just a white boy.......it is NOT a hate crime.
When is the hypocrisy going to end?
Do you even bother read to read the articles you post .... ?
"Police in Kansas City, Missouri said they are investigating the alleged assault as a possible hate crime.
""We were told it's a hate crime," Coon told KTLA."
Quote from: Olias on March 30, 2012, 09:47:14 AM
Do you even bother read to read the articles you post .... ?
"Police in Kansas City, Missouri said they are investigating the alleged assault as a possible hate crime.
""We were told it's a hate crime," Coon told KTLA."
I know, my point is WHERE is the rest of the media.........look, I hate all crimes....I don't care what race it is........someone being murdered is always wrong....it seems like this story gets buried....and if it was the other way around.......we ALL would be talking about it.
That is all I am trying to relay. Nothing more, nothing less.
The questions still remains...What was he doing in a gated community at night in the rain and what time at night was it? They need to quit with the race baiting and ask the same questions which would be asked if Trayvon had been white and shot by the same Mexican American.
Quote from: me on March 29, 2012, 07:43:59 PM
WHAT???? Where the hell have you been anyway? I can't believe you said that.
Yep, starting in 2003 when he decided to go to war with a country that was no threat to us.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2012, 10:01:45 AM
I know, my point is WHERE is the rest of the media.........look, I hate all crimes....I don't care what race it is........someone being murdered is always wrong....it seems like this story gets buried....and if it was the other way around.......we ALL would be talking about it.
That is all I am trying to relay. Nothing more, nothing less.
Then why did you write ... ?
"Since this was just a white boy.......it is NOT a hate crime."
Quote from: me on March 30, 2012, 10:29:40 AM
The questions still remains...What was he doing in a gated community at night in the rain and what time at night was it? They need to quit with the race baiting and ask the same questions which would be asked if Trayvon had been white and shot by the same Mexican American.
Seriously? He was walking back to the home of someone he was visiting after having gone to the convenience store. The last time I checked, that isn't against the law, nor is he under any obligation to answer to some random wanna-be cop jackoff about what he's doing there. Would you?
And I don't give a crap what color either of them is. While I do believe that Zimmerman was originally suspicious of Martin because he is black, I personally don't believe this fits the definition of a hate crime because I don't believe Zimmerman intended to shoot Martin. Race is clouding the issue here and the issue should be whether of not Zimmerman acted beyond his authority, which in this case was none, and instigated a situation in which he ultimately took someone else's life. Clearly he did and is therefore responsible for Martin's death.
Quote from: Olias on March 30, 2012, 11:00:28 AM
Then why did you write ... ?
"Since this was just a white boy.......it is NOT a hate crime."
it is called sarcasm.....I think ALL violent crimes are HATE CRIMES....why does someone have to decide only if it was racially motivated to be called a "hate crime"? All crimes of a viloent nature are motivated by hate...no matter what color the victim is or the person doing the crime.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2012, 11:09:07 AM
All crimes of a viloent nature are motivated by hate...
Not true. A burglar breaks into your home. He thought you were away on vacation. You hear him tearing apart your living room and you attack him with a crowbar. He shoots you and flees. Violent crime.
Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.
You're walking down Main Street late at night. Someone comes up to you and demands your wallet. You resist. He shoots you.Violent crime.
Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 30, 2012, 11:05:49 AM
Clearly he did and is therefore responsible for Martin's death.
For the most part I agree with your analysis, but waiting on all of the facts still. IF, Martin ATTACKED Zimmerman, and is beating his head on the sidewalk, does NOT mean that Zimmerman has a right to not shoot him. Even if Zimmerman is asking him questions or not minding his own business, does not make Martins attack an okay thing to do. We don't know all that went down....it is still possible, that Zimmerman is NOT responsible for the death of Martin....though, had Zimmerman let the police handle the situation...Martin would still be alive.
The whole thing is a very unfortunate situation.
What is more disturbing is folks like Spike Lee and NBPP, who is offering a bounty for one million dollars for Zimmerman, Dead or Alive.
That is the real crime....
Quote from: Olias on March 30, 2012, 11:17:26 AM
Not true. A burglar breaks into your home. He thought you were away on vacation. You hear him tearing apart your living room and you attack him with a crowbar. He shoots you and flees. Violent crime.
Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.
You're walking down Main Street late at night. Someone comes up to you and demands your wallet. You resist. He shoots you.Violent crime.
Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.
Those are good examples, and point taken.
But, I think there has got to be a level of hate of some sort, in order to VIOLENTLY kill. I guess, my though on 'violent' is one of a more premeditated, when a person has an intent to be violent. Not one of acting on fear.
But you got me thinking this one out a little further.
I have to give a tip of the hat to Ex for perhaps the best summary of Zimmerman's predicament, and this tragedy. Somewhere, in some thread, Ex said, "You don't have a right to claim self defense in an altercation you initiated." That pretty much sums the whole thing up right there.
Quote from: Locutus on March 30, 2012, 11:28:48 AM
I have to give a tip of the hat to Ex for perhaps the best summary of Zimmerman's predicament, and this tragedy. Somewhere, in some thread, Ex said, "You don't have a right to claim self defense in an altercation you initiated." That pretty much sums the whole thing up right there.
Just because someone says...."what are you doing?" (I am merely using a pretend situtation)....and the other person thinks that this guy is butting into his business.....does that make it okay for him to beat the guy's head on the sidewalk?....
I'm still waiting to hear ALL of the info on the zimmerman/martin case. I do think, Zimmerman should have left things alone, but we do not know ALL of the details yet.
We do know that a lot of folks have JUMPED the gun on this case and have overplayed it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2012, 10:01:45 AM
I know, my point is WHERE is the rest of the media.........
Was this story on Faux News?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2012, 11:34:40 AM
Just because someone says...."what are you doing?" (I am merely using a pretend situtation)....and the other person thinks that this guy is butting into his business.....does that make it okay for him to beat the guy's head on the sidewalk?
Based on the apparent absence of any serious injuries to Zimmerman's head, the story about Martin beating his head on the sidewalk seems suspect. I also seriously doubt, based on Zimmerman's 911 call, that he didn't put his hands on Martin. That notwithstanding, what would you do if you were walking through a relative's neighborhood and noticed someone following you who then jumped out of his car, ran after you and started questioning you? If someone did that to me, he'd better be prepared for a smackdown.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 30, 2012, 11:50:34 AM
Based on the apparent absence of any serious injuries to Zimmerman's head, the story about Martin beating his head on the sidewalk seems suspect. I also seriously doubt, based on Zimmerman's 911 call, that he didn't put his hands on Martin. That notwithstanding, what would you do if you were walking through a relative's neighborhood and noticed someone following you who then jumped out of his car, ran after you and started questioning you? If someone did that to me, he'd better be prepared for a smackdown.
again, I am not even going argue with you, because I understand and agree...Yes, I would be ready to throw down IF, someone was to come at me in an overzealous fashion.
I think more evidence needs to come out....It seems that Martin is not the sweet looking kid the media has been posting up from a couple ofyears ago....I don't think Martin is a innocent as they first portrayed him.
Quote from: Olias on March 30, 2012, 11:40:05 AM
Was this story on Faux News?
That's where I heard about it. :razz:
Quote from: me on March 30, 2012, 12:18:54 PM
That's where I heard about it. :razz:
Unless you can post a link, I am calling that bull$shit.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2012, 12:18:06 PM
I think more evidence needs to come out....It seems that Martin is not the sweet looking kid the media has been posting up from a couple ofyears ago....I don't think Martin is a innocent as they first portrayed him.
Because he got suspended when they found some weed in his bookbag? C'mon...are you naive enough to think your kids never tried pot when they were teenagers and does that make him a criminal worthy of being gunned down?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2012, 09:29:03 AM
because the MAIN stream MEDIA does not want to report such incidents....and especially the lop-sided news YOU watch...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html)
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station)
Since this was just a white boy.......it is NOT a hate crime.
When is the hypocrisy going to end?
Hawk you want to bet me some money that this case isn't over. You don't know the whole story, let's see what happen to the black boys and you can let me know. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 30, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
Because he got suspended when they found some weed in his bookbag? C'mon...are you naive enough to think your kids never tried pot when they were teenagers and does that make him a criminal worthy of being gunned down?
Nope not at all...but couple that with being suspended three times from high school...once for defacing school property. I get the feeling he was not just the nice little boy he was first being portrayed....but, I am only making my own assumptions, and not declaring him guilty of anything...just trying to peice this together.
Quote from: Olias on March 30, 2012, 12:24:44 PM
Unless you can post a link, I am calling that bull$shit.
Uh, how else do you think I might have heard about it to bring it up?
Quote from: me on March 30, 2012, 01:31:42 PM
Uh, how else do you think I might have heard about it to bring it up?
:bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag:
I searched the Fox news website and there is NO mention of it.
Quote from: Olias on March 30, 2012, 01:33:44 PM
:bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag:
I searched the Fox news website and there is NO mention of it.
What are you looking for?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 30, 2012, 01:42:26 PM
What are you looking for?
Right there ... at the top of this page ... you made the comment "my point is WHERE is the rest of the media." in talking about that attack on the white boy.
"Me" said she heard about it on Fox. But there is no mention of the story there.
Do all wingnuts have the memory span of a walnut?
Quote from: me on March 30, 2012, 10:29:40 AM
The questions still remains...What was he doing in a gated community at night in the rain and what time at night was it? They need to quit with the race baiting and ask the same questions which would be asked if Trayvon had been white and shot by the same Mexican American.
Did you ever walk in the rain at night? My rain coat has a hoodie and I have walked in the dark and in the rain. Have you?
If Travvon was white Zimmerman would have went straight to jail. What is one more "coon" killed. :doh:
My wife, myself and many camper who was in the trailer park where we stayed rode our bicycles in two the areas where they had a arch gate but not gates nor security guards. The people who lived there would wave and speak to us as we rode by.
My one question is, why didn't Zimmerman leave the gun in the car? Why didn't Zimmerman just watch him for awhile, in five minutes he would have been in the house.
I can remember back a few years ago when two black kids walked by my house and I didn't know any blacks live in my town. I ask my wife who they were. She told me they lived down the street and since they were carrying books I presumed they were walking to school. Yes, one of them was wearing a hoodie.
Did I go get my Colt 45 run out and question what they were doing in my town. Noooooooo! They were American born and they had the same right to be on the street as me. Did I shoot one or both of them, Nooooooo!
As far as I know the streets in a unguarded community are not private. I have drove and walk in communities where the gates were down. The community the boy was in didn't have any no trespassing signs. Only "neighborhood watch" and "security cameras" signs. He had more right to be there you you or me. Because his his father was there.
But then and again I wouldn't have to say this if you have one bit of common sense.
So many of the so call gated communities once they get full they drop the gates and the security guard. It cost to much and to much hassle for the people coming to visit and service people who fix things and cut grass. :doh:
If you want to talk about gated communities, ONO ISLAND at Gulf Shores Al., how that's a gated community. To get in there you go over the water on the bridge though a security post where there are two guards. Nobody get in there unless you have a invitation or the guards call the people you want to see and then maybe they will let you in. :biggrin:
Quote from: Olias on March 30, 2012, 11:17:26 AM
Not true. A burglar breaks into your home. He thought you were away on vacation. You hear him tearing apart your living room and you attack him with a crowbar. He shoots you and flees. Violent crime.
Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.
You're walking down Main Street late at night. Someone comes up to you and demands your wallet. You resist. He shoots you.Violent crime.
Does he hate you? He doesn't even know you.
What would it be if the robber was black and he was robbing "ME" and he said, shut up white bitch. All of you white bitches have your mouth open and then he shoots her. :wink: I would think there was a little racist, hate crime. Huh. :wink:
Quote from: The Troll on March 30, 2012, 02:31:24 PM
What would it be if the robber was black and he was robbing "ME" and he said, shut up white bitch. All of you white bitches have your mouth open and then he shoots her. :wink: I would think there was a little racist, hate crime. Huh. :wink:
I was wondering if "ME" was attacking her husband with her big mouth, could he shoot her and claim it's stand your ground and it was self defense?
:hunt::me: You guys know that Indiana has the stand your ground law. :yes: :yes: :no: :no:
I don't think it's as liberal in interpreting the surrounding circumstances as Florida's law is.
Quote from: Locutus on March 30, 2012, 10:33:57 PM
I don't think it's as liberal in interpreting the surrounding circumstances as Florida's law is.
Let's hope not. There is a time and place to use deadly force. Sticking your nose in someone else's business when they are on a public sidewalk walking and shooting them is not one of them.
I don't know if they can hang him with premeditated murder, he sure is guilty of intentionally accidental homicide. Just like if your kill someone when you're driving drunk. That should bring a bunch of felony time in prison. Can you imagine how the other black prisoners are going to except him when he gets there. :wink: :smile:
Also there is going to be a civil trial, just like O.J. Simpson which would have cost him millions. If the state doesn't get him the feds will. He going to pay big time for a one hell of stupid uncalled for killing of a young man. :yes: :yes: :yes:
At our crime watch meeting we were told that the Indiana law basically says if they are on your property you don't have to retreat into your house to use force against them. Troll is right in that we are told to call the police if we see something out of the ordinary or suspicious but not to follow or confront anyone. They do tell you what to look for and try to remember, color and type of clothing, height, body type and hair and skin color.
I think Mr. Zimmerman did a stupid thing following Mr. Martin and probably should go to jail. I will be interested to hear all of what went on. I was surprised (probably should not have been though) in the difference in the pictures of the two men. The first ones were of a very young Mr. Martin (I would guess about 13) and a mug shot of Mr. Zimmerman. The next set Mr. Martin was a recent one and he looks like an adult and Mr. Zimmerman is in a suit and tie like a pic for a business brochure or something. The different pictures present different views of both men. Doesn't change the circumstances, just maybe the perception of the viewer.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Interesting. Zimmerman's lawyers are dropping him because they can't contact him and no longer know where he is. He's apparently no longer in the state of Florida, but is "in the United States" somewhere.
Any bets as to whether he has the balls to turn himself in if the prosecutor files charges, or will he just continue what now appears to be a fear induced life on the lam?
Quote from: Locutus on April 10, 2012, 09:29:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Interesting. Zimmerman's lawyers are dropping him because they can't contact him and no longer know where he is. He's apparently no longer in the state of Florida, but is "in the United States" somewhere.
Any bets as to whether he has the balls to turn himself in if the prosecutor files charges, or will he just continue what now appears to be a fear induced life on the lam?
I hope the damn killer tries to run, hid like the coward he is. If the new prosecutor doesn't charge him with a crime, her career is over. But I think she is going to hang his ass. I would like to be on his jury. I would hear all he had to say, then I would hang the coward. :hanged:
Well the new prosecutor said today that she'll be releasing new information on the investigation, and will be holding a news conference in the next three days. So something is going to be forthcoming by the end of the week it seems.
Quote from: Locutus on April 10, 2012, 09:58:55 PM
Well the new prosecutor said today that she'll be releasing new information on the investigation, and will be holding a news conference in the next three days. So something is going to be forthcoming by the end of the week it seems.
I think Zimmerman knows his ass is grass :mow: That's why he's out of the state hiding and started his own website. :wink:
Kind of makes one wonder what else the media has done to stir the pot so to speak. Notice this is not a Fox link.
Source: NBC producer fired over Zimmerman 911 call
Associated PressBy FRAZIER MOORE | Associated Press – Sat, Apr 7, 2012
NEW YORK (AP) — NBC News has fired a producer for editing a recording of George Zimmerman's call to police the night he shot Trayvon Martin, a person with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.
The person was not authorized to talk about the situation publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity. The identity of the producer was not disclosed.
An NBC spokeswoman declined to comment.
The producer's dismissal followed an internal investigation that led to NBC apologizing for having aired the misleading audio.
NBC's "Today" show first aired the edited version of Zimmerman's call on March 27. The recording viewers heard was trimmed to suggest that Zimmerman volunteered to police, with no prompting, that Martin was black: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."
But the portion of the tape that was deleted had the 911 dispatcher asking Zimmerman if the person who had raised his suspicion was "black, white or Hispanic," to which Zimmerman responded, "He looks black."
Later that night of Feb. 26, the 17-year-old Martin was fatally shot by Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, Fla. Though Martin was unarmed, Zimmerman told police he fired in self-defense after Martin attacked him.
Questions subsequently have arisen over whether Zimmerman was racially profiling the teen, a theory the edited version of the tape seemed to support.
On Tuesday, NBC said its investigation turned up "an error made in the production process that we deeply regret." It promised that "necessary steps" would be taken "to prevent this from happening in the future" and apologized to viewers.
___
Online:
NBC: http://www.nbc.com
http://news.yahoo.com/source-nbc-producer-fired-over-zimmerman-911-call-160330268.html
Quote from: me on April 11, 2012, 12:06:02 AM
Kind of makes one wonder what else the media has done to stir the pot so to speak. Notice this is not a Fox link.
Source: NBC producer fired over Zimmerman 911 call
Associated PressBy FRAZIER MOORE | Associated Press – Sat, Apr 7, 2012
NEW YORK (AP) — NBC News has fired a producer for editing a recording of George Zimmerman's call to police the night he shot Trayvon Martin, a person with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.
The person was not authorized to talk about the situation publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity. The identity of the producer was not disclosed.
An NBC spokeswoman declined to comment.
The producer's dismissal followed an internal investigation that led to NBC apologizing for having aired the misleading audio.
NBC's "Today" show first aired the edited version of Zimmerman's call on March 27. The recording viewers heard was trimmed to suggest that Zimmerman volunteered to police, with no prompting, that Martin was black: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."
But the portion of the tape that was deleted had the 911 dispatcher asking Zimmerman if the person who had raised his suspicion was "black, white or Hispanic," to which Zimmerman responded, "He looks black."
Later that night of Feb. 26, the 17-year-old Martin was fatally shot by Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, Fla. Though Martin was unarmed, Zimmerman told police he fired in self-defense after Martin attacked him.
Questions subsequently have arisen over whether Zimmerman was racially profiling the teen, a theory the edited version of the tape seemed to support.
On Tuesday, NBC said its investigation turned up "an error made in the production process that we deeply regret." It promised that "necessary steps" would be taken "to prevent this from happening in the future" and apologized to viewers.
___
Online:
NBC: http://www.nbc.com
http://news.yahoo.com/source-nbc-producer-fired-over-zimmerman-911-call-160330268.html
I saw that story a few days ago.
Quote from: Locutus on April 10, 2012, 09:29:55 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/10/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
Interesting. Zimmerman's lawyers are dropping him because they can't contact him and no longer know where he is. He's apparently no longer in the state of Florida, but is "in the United States" somewhere.
Any bets as to whether he has the balls to turn himself in if the prosecutor files charges, or will he just continue what now appears to be a fear induced life on the lam?
Good question because those kind of jack wagons usually end up in Florida! :wink: :biggrin:
My guess is he went to Cali. . . (His blood's to thin to handle this northern weather. . . )
Quote from: Palehorse on April 11, 2012, 12:28:56 AM
Good question because those kind of jack wagons usually end up in Florida! :wink: :biggrin:
Ain't that the truth! :yes:
At least we're down one if this story is to be believed. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on April 11, 2012, 12:30:01 AM
Ain't that the truth! :yes:
At least we're down one if this story is to be believed. ;D
:rotfl: :rotfl:
And good luck finding him. . . If he ain't in Fla then the feds won't know where to look! ;D
Quote from: me on April 11, 2012, 12:06:02 AM
Kind of makes one wonder what else the media has done to stir the pot so to speak. Notice this is not a Fox link.
Source: NBC producer fired over Zimmerman 911 call
Associated PressBy FRAZIER MOORE | Associated Press – Sat, Apr 7, 2012
NEW YORK (AP) — NBC News has fired a producer for editing a recording of George Zimmerman's call to police the night he shot Trayvon Martin, a person with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.
The person was not authorized to talk about the situation publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity. The identity of the producer was not disclosed.
An NBC spokeswoman declined to comment.
The producer's dismissal followed an internal investigation that led to NBC apologizing for having aired the misleading audio.
NBC's "Today" show first aired the edited version of Zimmerman's call on March 27. The recording viewers heard was trimmed to suggest that Zimmerman volunteered to police, with no prompting, that Martin was black: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."
But the portion of the tape that was deleted had the 911 dispatcher asking Zimmerman if the person who had raised his suspicion was "black, white or Hispanic," to which Zimmerman responded, "He looks black."
Later that night of Feb. 26, the 17-year-old Martin was fatally shot by Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, Fla. Though Martin was unarmed, Zimmerman told police he fired in self-defense after Martin attacked him.
Questions subsequently have arisen over whether Zimmerman was racially profiling the teen, a theory the edited version of the tape seemed to support.
On Tuesday, NBC said its investigation turned up "an error made in the production process that we deeply regret." It promised that "necessary steps" would be taken "to prevent this from happening in the future" and apologized to viewers.
___
Online:
NBC: http://www.nbc.com
http://news.yahoo.com/source-nbc-producer-fired-over-zimmerman-911-call-160330268.html
Not a Fox link? :sa: :point: :baaa: :dizzy2: :thubb:
QuoteQuote from: me on Today at 12:06:02 AM
Kind of makes one wonder what else the media has done to stir the pot so to speak. Notice this is not a Fox link.
Source: NBC producer fired over Zimmerman 911 call
Associated PressBy FRAZIER MOORE | Associated Press – Sat, Apr 7, 2012
NEW YORK (AP) — NBC News has fired a producer for editing a recording of George Zimmerman's call to police the night he shot Trayvon Martin, a person with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.
The person was not authorized to talk about the situation publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity. The identity of the producer was not disclosed.
An NBC spokeswoman declined to comment.
The producer's dismissal followed an internal investigation that led to NBC apologizing for having aired the misleading audio.
NBC's "Today" show first aired the edited version of Zimmerman's call on March 27. The recording viewers heard was trimmed to suggest that Zimmerman volunteered to police, with no prompting, that Martin was black: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."
But the portion of the tape that was deleted had the 911 dispatcher asking Zimmerman if the person who had raised his suspicion was "black, white or Hispanic," to which Zimmerman responded, "He looks black."
Later that night of Feb. 26, the 17-year-old Martin was fatally shot by Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, Fla. Though Martin was unarmed, Zimmerman told police he fired in self-defense after Martin attacked him.
Questions subsequently have arisen over whether Zimmerman was racially profiling the teen, a theory the edited version of the tape seemed to support.
On Tuesday, NBC said its investigation turned up "an error made in the production process that we deeply regret." It promised that "necessary steps" would be taken "to prevent this from happening in the future" and apologized to viewers.
___
Online:
NBC: http://www.nbc.com
http://news.yahoo.com/source-nbc-producer-fired-over-zimmerman-911-call-160330268.html
Quote from: The Troll on April 11, 2012, 10:53:40 AM
Not a Fox link? :sa: :point: :baaa: :dizzy2: :thubb:
There I made it bigger so you could see it.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpps/news/report-nbc-producer-fired-over-911-edit-dpgonc-20120406-kh_19055973 (http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpps/news/report-nbc-producer-fired-over-911-edit-dpgonc-20120406-kh_19055973)
^--- There's the Faux News version
It didn't suprise me when Zimmerman the coward's lawyers said that he was in hiding far, far from Florida. Maybe he's in Peru and that is why they dropped his case. :confused:
George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who says he shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense, "will be (criminally) charged, if he hasn't been charged already," a senior law enforcement source familiar with the investigation told CNN Wednesday.
:spooked:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/11/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?c=mobile-homepage-t
Quote from: Locutus on April 10, 2012, 09:29:55 PM
Interesting. Zimmerman's lawyers are dropping him because they can't contact him and no longer know where he is. He's apparently no longer in the state of Florida, but is "in the United States" somewhere.
Any bets as to whether he has the balls to turn himself in if the prosecutor files charges, or will he just continue what now appears to be a fear induced life on the lam?
^^ Any takers? ;D
I'm still sitting silently on this one.....we need to hear ALL the facts. I hope that the special prosecutors are NOT reacting to public pressure, and actually DO have some concrete evidence to convict Zimmerman with an actual crime.
Off the cuff, one has to wonder if the evidence is in favor of Zimmerman since NO charges has been filed, unitl NOW.
I still believe had Zimmerman NOT been playing Barney Fife, Martin would still be alive...but there is NO crime in playing Barney Fife...is there?
It is without a doubt a very interesting case.
I agree with you that the facts need to come out. I'm just wondering if he's going to have the balls to turn himself in.
As for me, I have to continue to think along the same lines as Ex. It's very difficult for one to claim self defense in an altercation they themself initiated.
Quote from: Locutus on April 11, 2012, 03:42:01 PM
I agree with you that the facts need to come out. I'm just wondering if he's going to have the balls to turn himself in.
As for me, I have to continue to think along the same lines as Ex. It's very difficult for one to claim self defense in an altercation they themself initiated.
I agree, BUT we still do not know the facts......also, if I am getting my head bashed on a cement sidewalk....I'm going to defend myself.
Also, I think Zimmerman WILL come out, but I kind of don't blame him for hiding....with the Black Panthers putting a bounty on his head...and the "blood shed" they are screaming for.
I hope so sort of resolution comes out soon...because there is going to be some REAL serious actions going to come out of this.
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSY6fO6CMG-AkcE0eLkXPIDBejJ388i5fIcaXLxjSEmOHqC1UotUw)
Second degree murder and he is in custody. He turned himself in.
Quote from: Locutus on April 11, 2012, 06:07:24 PM
Second degree murder and he is in custody. He turned himself in.
GOOD! Maybe we will get a rest from all of this on the media. :yeah:
Hot off the press. Here is his mug:
http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/InmateInfo.aspx?bkgnbr=201200004452
(http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/bookingphotos/201200004452.jpg)
Quote from: Locutus on April 11, 2012, 08:52:36 PM
(http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/bookingphotos/201200004452.jpg)
Who would sell a gun to this guy. :eek:
I'm thinking this guy is toast. . .
I'm thinking, why is this guy who is obviously Mexican American, and probably been subjected to profiling himself, being talked about as though he were a white American and the media is making it out a white on black thing? Look at his pic don't you think even he has been mistaken for a light skinned black at some point in his life? You all are convicting him on evidence you don't know is even right just because the media stirred it up and newsmen like the one on NBC added fuel to the fire by playing that edited tape. Get a grip people you are being played.
Quote from: me on April 12, 2012, 01:19:44 AM
I'm thinking, why is this guy who is obviously Mexican American, and probably been subjected to profiling himself, being talked about as though he were a white American and the media is making it out a white on black thing? Look at his pic don't you think even he has been mistaken for a light skinned black at some point in his life? You all are convicting him on evidence you don't know is even right just because the media stirred it up and newsmen like the one on NBC added fuel to the fire by playing that edited tape. Get a grip people you are being played.
Including being played by the prosecutor who is privy to evidence that we don't know about? Surely you jest.
Quote from: me on April 12, 2012, 01:19:44 AM
I'm thinking, why is this guy who is obviously Mexican American, and probably been subjected to profiling himself, being talked about as though he were a white American and the media is making it out a white on black thing? Look at his pic don't you think even he has been mistaken for a light skinned black at some point in his life? You all are convicting him on evidence you don't know is even right just because the media stirred it up and newsmen like the one on NBC added fuel to the fire by playing that edited tape. Get a grip people you are being played.
I'm not convicting anyone. . . I am just being fairly realistic about this guys chance to obtain a fair trial, afford / obtain competent legal representation, and mount a defense that will be capable of overcoming the burgeoning sack full of damning evidence that has been spamming the airwaves since the incident happened.
The fact is there isn't a jury pool available in this country that has not heard / read the media blitzkrieg that has been out there. And no matter what transpires surrounding the trail, guilt or not, I predict ominous results for the residents of Florida and various cities throughout this country.
If he is found not guilty, the riots will begin. If he is found guilty then the gun grabbers will use it as a springboard with which to impose yet another round of draconian gun legislation that will do NOTHING to those who are lawless from the start.
Moreover, the tone of your post seems to imply less than admirable motivation where the authorities are concerned; whose job it is to define illegal acts and present charges. . .
No, I have not convicted him. The media has already done so within the court of public opinion.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 12, 2012, 01:29:54 AM
I'm not convicting anyone. . . I am just being fairly realistic about this guys chance to obtain a fair trial, afford / obtain competent legal representation, and mount a defense that will be capable of overcoming the burgeoning sack full of damning evidence that has been spamming the airwaves since the incident happened.
The fact is there isn't a jury pool available in this country that has not heard / read the media blitzkrieg that has been out there. And no matter what transpires surrounding the trail, guilt or not, I predict ominous results for the residents of Florida and various cities throughout this country.
If he is found not guilty, the riots will begin. If he is found guilty then the gun grabbers will use it as a springboard with which to impose yet another round of draconian gun legislation that will do NOTHING to those who are lawless from the start.
Moreover, the tone of your post seems to imply less than admirable motivation where the authorities are concerned; whose job it is to define illegal acts and present charges. . .
No, I have not convicted him. The media has already done so within the court of public opinion.
That's what I'm saying is a shame because for all we know he could actually have been innocent of what the media, and everyone else, is now accusing him of at this point. IMO the media has put not only his life but others lives in danger too, like his family. I know you'll probably disagree with this but Obama should have never gone on TV and said what he did to start this whole mess and when the Panther's offered that reward for Zimmerman Obama should have gone on TV and asked for them to back off. It should have never reached the proportions it did.
Quote from: The Troll on April 11, 2012, 10:40:36 PM
Who would sell a gun to this guy. :eek:
what would be wrong with that Troll? Do you SEE something wrong with him?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 12, 2012, 08:42:54 AM
what would be wrong with that Troll? Do you SEE something wrong with him?
That should be an interesting answer, if he answers at all.
Quote from: me on April 12, 2012, 08:57:50 AM
That should be an interesting answer, if he answers at all.
I understand the whole thing. Zimmerman was Coon Hunting. :hunt: :cheshire: or he dropped his gun. :cowboy: :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on April 12, 2012, 09:22:31 AM
I understand the whole thing. Zimmerman was Coon Hunting. :hunt: :cheshire: or he dropped his gun. :cowboy: :rolleyes:
answer the question Troll, why would it be wrong to sell a gun to the guy in the picture? Are YOU racially profiling him? or are you just trying to be funny again?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 12, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
answer the question Troll, why would it be wrong to sell a gun to the guy in the picture? Are YOU racially profiling him? or are you just trying to be funny again?
I'd say in all probability he was going to but he knows he'd better not now.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 12, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
answer the question Troll, why would it be wrong to sell a gun to the guy in the picture? Are YOU racially profiling him? or are you just trying to be funny again?
:2cents: Yep, he looks like a Pervian drug smuggler. :yes: Mexicans look like human smugglers, over the border. :wink:
I have a question for all of you owners of a registered hand gun. Would you sell your hand gun to Zimmerman or someone who looks like him.
I am not sorry that I wouldn't sell him a hand gun. I don't want to take a chance he might shoot someone and didn't get the gun registered in his name and have them coming after me. :no: no way and no cops :police:
If I ever sell my register guns I will take the buyer to a licenced gun dealer and transfer the gun over to the new buyer. My unregistered guns would be sold to someone who is a collector and trustworthy. :trustme:
Quote from: me on April 12, 2012, 01:41:58 AM
That's what I'm saying is a shame because for all we know he could actually have been innocent of what the media, and everyone else, is now accusing him of at this point. IMO the media has put not only his life but others lives in danger too, like his family. I know you'll probably disagree with this but Obama should have never gone on TV and said what he did to start this whole mess and when the Panther's offered that reward for Zimmerman Obama should have gone on TV and asked for them to back off. It should have never reached the proportions it did.
The affidavit says he profiled and stalked martin.
As far as the POTUS goes, he would have been damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
Quote from: The Troll on April 12, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
I have a question for all of you owners of a registered hand gun. Would you sell your hand gun to Zimmerman or someone who looks like him.
I am not sorry that I wouldn't sell him a hand gun. I don't want to take a chance he might shoot someone and didn't get the gun registered in his name and have them coming after me. :no: no way and no cops :police:
If I ever sell my register guns I will take the buyer to a licenced gun dealer and transfer the gun over to the new buyer. My unregistered guns would be sold to someone who is a collector and trustworthy. :trustme:
Explain that Troll. What's wrong with the way he looks? He doesn't look particularly threatening to me. What is it about the "way he looks?"
Quote from: me on April 12, 2012, 09:07:44 PM
Explain that Troll. What's wrong with the way he looks? He doesn't look particularly threatening to me. What is it about the "way he looks?"
Then give him your gun when he get out of bail. :rolleyes: :razz:
Quote from: The Troll on April 12, 2012, 11:32:50 PM
Then give him your gun when he get out of bail. :rolleyes: :razz:
Quote from: me on April 12, 2012, 09:07:44 PM
Explain that Troll. What's wrong with the way he looks? He doesn't look particularly threatening to me. What is it about the "way he looks?"
I don't have a gun but that doesn't answer my question Troll. What's wrong with the way he looks? Why would you even say something like that?
Just seen some clips of Zimmerman in court and do you realize how much he would resemble Eric Holder if he, Zimmerman, had hair Troll? Would you sell Eric Holder a gun if you didn't know him just based on the way he looks like you said about Zimmerman? Don't give me any of your trash mouthed garbage just answer the question.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 12, 2012, 07:51:00 PM
The affidavit says he profiled and stalked martin.
As far as the POTUS goes, he would have been damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
Maybe when you two are done playing pop goes the weasel you'll notice the real issues here!
Quote from: Palehorse on April 13, 2012, 07:48:12 PM
Maybe when you two are done playing pop goes the weasel you'll notice the real issues here!
Thing is PH Troll made a crack about not selling a gun to Zimmerman based on the way he looks and won't say why he said that. What is it about Zimmerman's looks?
Quote from: The Troll on April 12, 2012, 06:05:38 PM
I have a question for all of you owners of a registered hand gun. Would you sell your hand gun to Zimmerman or someone who looks like him.
I am not sorry that I wouldn't sell him a hand gun. I don't want to take a chance he might shoot someone and didn't get the gun registered in his name and have them coming after me. :no: no way and no cops :police:
If I ever sell my register guns I will take the buyer to a licenced gun dealer and transfer the gun over to the new buyer. My unregistered guns would be sold to someone who is a collector and trustworthy. :trustme:
Quote from: me on April 13, 2012, 08:17:25 PM
Thing is PH Troll made a crack about not selling a gun to Zimmerman based on the way he looks and won't say why he said that. What is it about Zimmerman's looks?
And what does this have to do with the subject at hand? He had no opportunity to sell the man a firearm nor is it likely he would have. Moreover, aren't you one who endorses the right of a business to refuse to do business with anyone?
Quote from: Palehorse on April 12, 2012, 07:51:00 PM
The affidavit says he profiled and stalked martin.
As far as the POTUS goes, he would have been damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
QuoteQuote from: Palehorse on April 12, 2012, 07:51:00 PM
The affidavit says he profiled and stalked martin.
As far as the POTUS goes, he would have been damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
What affidavit?
Quote from: Palehorse on April 13, 2012, 08:23:46 PM
And what does this have to do with the subject at hand? He had no opportunity to sell the man a firearm nor is it likely he would have. Moreover, aren't you one who endorses the right of a business to refuse to do business with anyone?
No, he didn't but why would he say something like that? What was his point? You know darn well he would ask me if the situation were reversed and so would every one else and start with the accusations.
Quote from: me on April 13, 2012, 09:03:17 PM
. . .
No, he didn't but why would he say something like that? What was his point? You know darn well he would ask me if the situation were reversed and so would every one else and start with the accusations.
Why? Well, for one thing it sure seems to be an endless source of amusement for him . . .
The affidavit used to charge him.
:music1: The party is over. :music1. Until the trial, the facts will come out and he will be convicted of 1St degree murder. You just don't follow a person in the dark of night with a gun in your hand. Approach the person and not get a response of self defense and you shoot him in the chest. My case rests, bring in the jailers, the prison guards and put this killer in the slammer for a long, long time. :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on April 13, 2012, 09:17:13 PM
Why? Well, for one thing it sure seems to be an endless source of amusement for him . . .
It certainly does and he keeps coming real close to sticking his foot in his big mouth clear up to his hip. :wink:
Quote from: The Troll on April 13, 2012, 09:19:54 PM
:music1: The party is over. :music1. Until the trial, the facts will come out and he will be convicted of 1St degree murder. You just don't follow a person in the dark of night with a gun in your hand. Approach the person and not get a response of self defense and you shoot him in the chest. My case rests, bring in the jailers, the prison guards and put this killer in the slammer for a long, long time. :biggrin:
Ya, and ain't it gonna be somethin' if it turns out that the gun went off by accident while Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman fighting with him and it was entirely accidental. All this white on black crime, which is actually Mexican American on black crime, will suddenly become a moot point. This should have never reached the proportion it did by any means. The media played it for all it was worth and made it next to impossible to ever get this handled properly.
Quote from: me on April 13, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Ya, and ain't it gonna be somethin' if it turns out that the gun went off by accident while Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman fighting with him and it was entirely accidental. All this white on black crime, which is actually Mexican American on black crime, will suddenly become a moot point. This should have never reached the proportion it did by any means. The media played it for all it was worth and made it next to impossible to ever get this handled properly.
Not Mexican, his mother was a Peruvian. It won't be hard to see how the bullet traveled through Trayvon chest. It had not be a straight through shot. He did wrong and he knows it. We will see. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 13, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Ya, and ain't it gonna be somethin' if it turns out that the gun went off by accident while Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman fighting with him and it was entirely accidental. All this white on black crime, which is actually Mexican American on black crime, will suddenly become a moot point. This should have never reached the proportion it did by any means. The media played it for all it was worth and made it next to impossible to ever get this handled properly.
Well, when you're done with the pissing contest let us know will yah. . .
Quote from: me on April 13, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Ya, and ain't it gonna be somethin' if it turns out that the gun went off by accident while Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman fighting with him and it was entirely accidental. All this white on black crime, which is actually Mexican American on black crime, will suddenly become a moot point. This should have never reached the proportion it did by any means. The media played it for all it was worth and made it next to impossible to ever get this handled properly.
Ummm........there would be trace evidence on both parties if the "gun went off by accident."
You ought to reserve speculation.
People like you might be playin' it for all it's worth, stiring up emotions and making it next to impossible to ever get this handled properly.
Quote from: followsthewolf on April 15, 2012, 07:17:49 AM
Ummm........there would be trace evidence on both parties if the "gun went off by accident."
You ought to reserve speculation.
People like you might be playin' it for all it's worth, stiring up emotions and making it next to impossible to ever get this handled properly.
People like me????? I'm not the one on here making it a white on black thing and convicting him without knowing all the evidence.
:rolleyes: :deadhorse:
Quote from: The Troll on April 15, 2012, 08:56:27 AM
:rolleyes: :deadhorse:
Kinda what I thought too but FTW brought it up.
It seem that according to some Republican blogs the Tea Party is dead. After they screwed up the house of Representives they seem to have had a very short life. :yeah: It's amazing what a bunch of white haired idiots can do to a country. :rant:
Quote from: me on April 15, 2012, 09:54:09 AM
Kinda what I thought too but FTW brought it up.
Just wanted to make one very small point about your theory.
You will NEVER get it.
No matter how badly you are refuted and proven wrong, you still spin sideways.
Quote from: followsthewolf on April 15, 2012, 12:44:11 PM
Just wanted to make one very small point about your theory.
You will NEVER get it.
No matter how badly you are refuted and proven wrong, you still spin sideways.
What???? Nothing has been proven by anyone here. Zimmerman has been tried and convicted by the media and now the public and I think all this crap is just that crap. I have never seen such a bunch of negative, opinionated, intolerant people in my life.
Your point about the gun going off accidentally while Martin was on his chest can be verified one way or the other by forensics (not the CSI kind).
That is what I was saying.
Further, in a bit of irony, I was implying that you were doing the same thing as the rest of the media and all the groups who are speculating about the incident.
You, however, believe that YOUR speculation, based on no evidence whatsoever that has yet been released to the public, is perfectly all right, despite the fact that you are decrying all those who have jumped on the bandwagon.
That is hypocrisy.
That is what I was implying with my statement and the ending sarcasm about your jumping to conclusions. ZING!!
Which you will NEVER get, since I have to sit here and explain it.
Quote from: me on April 13, 2012, 09:44:23 PM
Ya, and ain't it gonna be somethin' if it turns out that the gun went off by accident while Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman fighting with him and it was entirely accidental. All this white on black crime, which is actually Mexican American on black crime, will suddenly become a moot point. This should have never reached the proportion it did by any means. The media played it for all it was worth and made it next to impossible to ever get this handled properly.
Notice the way I phrased my statement. "What if" is what that implies not that it did. "Isn't it going to be something if" means that is another possibility not that I am implying that. If that is the case all this accusing has done is make it harder if they find something like that because the media has convicted him and no one will believe anything but he is guilty. It will just cause another problem. You totally mistook my statement.
Quote from: me on April 15, 2012, 06:03:33 PM
Notice the way I phrased my statement. "What if" is what that implies not that it did. "Isn't it going to be something if" means that is another possibility not that I am implying that. If that is the case all this accusing has done is make it harder if they find something like that because the media has convicted him and no one will believe anything but he is guilty. It will just cause another problem. You totally mistook my statement.
You chase someone down in the dark of night. With a gun in you hand. You approach the "intruder on a public sidewalk and you accidently shoot him in the chest. Oh co'mon. :rolleyes: give us a break. I sure would like to see you get by with this in any place other than Florida. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on April 15, 2012, 06:19:42 PM
You chase someone down in the dark of night. With a gun in you hand. You approach the "intruder on a public sidewalk and you accidently shoot him in the chest. Oh co'mon. :rolleyes: give us a break. I sure would like to see you get by with this in any place other than Florida. :rolleyes:
See what I mean FTW?
Quote from: me on April 15, 2012, 06:23:36 PM
See what I mean FTW?
:nocomment: Mr. :wolf: You got her covered and laided out. :wink: No need to say anything more. :smile: :wink:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/15/us/bill-cosby-trayvon-martin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/15/us/bill-cosby-trayvon-martin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Here we go. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on April 15, 2012, 10:31:01 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/15/us/bill-cosby-trayvon-martin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/15/us/bill-cosby-trayvon-martin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Here we go. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ya, I seen that earlier. Is Bill Cosby gettin' senile? I will admit I didn't read past he no longer has a gun and wants them all off the streets, or something to that effect.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 15, 2012, 10:31:01 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/15/us/bill-cosby-trayvon-martin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/15/us/bill-cosby-trayvon-martin/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Here we go. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I have a life time personal carry permit. If I seen someone walking down my sidewalk I wouldn't do a thing except watch him or them. :yes: :yes:
Now if I seen someone walking out out of my garage carrying some of my tools or anything else. Trying to start my vehicles, I would get my gun and turn on the outside lights and confront them with my gun. I wouldn't get close enough for them to jump me. I just plainly ask them to get on the ground, if they didn't I would fire one round of 45 ammunition into the air. Then we would see where they wanted to go to from there. :wink::yes: :yes:
Quote from: me on April 15, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
Ya, I seen that earlier. Is Bill Cosby gettin' senile? I will admit I didn't read past he no longer has a gun and wants them all off the streets, or something to that effect.
He has the name recognition the gun grabbers need and his statement will get them going over this bullshit. Just watch.
When the hell are people going to wise up and realize the only thing laws do are place restrictions upon those who are law-abiding citizens from the start. The lawless will pay no more attention to it than a pile of excrement on the sidewalk. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on April 15, 2012, 10:47:18 PM
He has the name recognition the gun grabbers need and his statement will get them going over this bullshit. Just watch.
When the hell are people going to wise up and realize the only thing laws do are place restrictions upon those who are law-abiding citizens from the start. The lawless will pay no more attention to it than a pile of excrement on the sidewalk. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Sure do wish they'd figure that out.
As bad as I hate to tell it on myself it would do me no good to have a gun 'cause I can't hit the broad side of a barn. Shot at some shingles on a dirt pile one time standing about 5ft away, my ex's idea, and missed. Now that's bad. I think maybe with some training I could probably manage finally but as it is now I'd just better hope I don't get in a situation where I need to protect myself.
All my daughters can shoot and hit what they aim at though. The oldest daughter scored higher than the guy's on the rifle range when she was in basic. They sure don't take after me...LOL
Quote from: me on April 16, 2012, 12:27:02 AM
Sure do wish they'd figure that out.
As bad as I hate to tell it on myself it would do me no good to have a gun 'cause I can't hit the broad side of a barn. Shot at some shingles on a dirt pile one time standing about 5ft away, my ex's idea, and missed. Now that's bad. I think maybe with some training I could probably manage finally but as it is now I'd just better hope I don't get in a situation where I need to protect myself.
All my daughters can shoot and hit what they aim at though. The oldest daughter scored higher than the guy's on the rifle range when she was in basic. They sure don't take after me...LOL
My wife a little different. I wanted her to know how to fire a pistol. We went were we could shot safely, I set up a target. I have a Ruger 22 automatic and I showed her what the sight picture would look like. She hit the paper the first and continued to do better.
I got out my Colt 45 and she was a little afraid of it. I told her it looked mean but didn't shoot that hard. Damn, the first shot was in the bulls eye. If someone ever thought that she a woman and can't hit the side of a barn, is going to end up in a hospital or a morgue. :cowboy: :biggrin:
I also got her a life time carry permit, so if she was ever driving and got stopped and I had a gun under the seat, the cops wouldn't be able to arrest her for having a concealed gun without a permit. :police:
Here is one more thing to think about. Just the sight of a gun, the sound of a gun or a sound of a warning shot from a gun has stopped more crimes that the actual shooting of a gun. They were interviewing some prison inmates and they were ask the worse sound they ever heard. The said to the man that the sound of the racking of a 12 gauge pump shot gun and the slide cocking of a colt 45 was the most chilling sound they ever heard. In the dark and from behind it would sure send a cold chill up my spine. :yes: :spooked:
Quote from: The Troll on April 16, 2012, 06:04:11 AM
My wife a little different. I wanted her to know how to fire a pistol. We went were we could shot safely, I set up a target. I have a Ruger 22 automatic and I showed her what the sight picture would look like. She hit the paper the first and continued to do better.
I got out my Colt 45 and she was a little afraid of it. I told her it looked mean but didn't shoot that hard. Damn, the first shot was in the bulls eye. If someone ever thought that she a woman and can't hit the side of a barn, is going to end up in a hospital or a morgue. :cowboy: :biggrin:
I also got her a life time carry permit, so if she was ever driving and got stopped and I had a gun under the seat, the cops wouldn't be able to arrest her for having a concealed gun without a permit. :police:
Here is one more thing to think about. Just the sight of a gun, the sound of a gun or a sound of a warning shot from a gun has stopped more crimes that the actual shooting of a gun. They were interviewing some prison inmates and they were ask the worse sound they ever heard. The said to the man that the sound of the racking of a 12 gauge pump shot gun and the slide cocking of a colt 45 was the most chilling sound they ever heard. In the dark and from behind it would sure send a cold chill up my spine. :yes: :spooked:
You did good Troll. I was just handed the gun and told to shoot it which I did.
Quote from: The Troll on April 16, 2012, 06:04:11 AM
The said to the man that the sound of the racking of a 12 gauge pump shot gun and the slide cocking of a colt 45 was the most chilling sound they ever heard. In the dark and from behind it would sure send a cold chill up my spine. :yes: :spooked:
They must've never heard the sound of a big low-growling dog galloping up on them. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 16, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
They must've never heard the sound of a big low-growling dog galloping up on them. :yes:
:biggrin: :yes: :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 16, 2012, 10:01:33 AM
They must've never heard the sound of a big low-growling dog galloping up on them. :yes:
All of those sounds, if you are where you shouldn't be, doing something you shouldn't be doing, will cause a time-warp delay in testicle descent time.
Quote from: followsthewolf on April 16, 2012, 11:16:18 AM
All of those sounds, if you are where you shouldn't be, doing something you shouldn't be doing, will cause a time-warp delay in testicle descent time.
:biggrin: :eek: :yes:
Or they could cause your sphincter to seize up .....
Quote from: Olias on April 16, 2012, 12:04:11 PM
Or they could cause your sphincter to seize up .....
Which might not be a bad thing. . . you could then create diamonds! :eek: :biggrin:
Quote from: Olias on April 16, 2012, 12:04:11 PM
Or they could cause your sphincter to seize up .....
If your sphincter seize up you then couldn't shit a brick. :wink: :smile:
Quote from: The Troll on April 16, 2012, 12:20:36 PM
If your sphincter seize up you then couldn't shit a brick. :wink: :smile:
Yeah, but you could use it to cut case-hardened bolts.
$150,000.00 bond for Zimmerman.
Quote from: Locutus on April 20, 2012, 11:21:44 AM
$150,000.00 bond for Zimmerman.
He'll have to hide. . .
I heard something about a black on white thing that went down there in Fl where the black guy got off but can't seem to find anything about it. Did you hear anything on that Locutus? It's one that got buried I guess. Wish I could remember the name but he got off on the "stand your ground" defense.
Quote from: me on April 20, 2012, 11:58:36 AM
I heard something about a black on white thing that went down there in Fl where the black guy got off but can't seem to find anything about it. Did you hear anything on that Locutus? It's one that got buried I guess. Wish I could remember the name but he got off on the "stand your ground" defense.
Yep. His name is Trevor Dooley.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/trevor-dooleys-lawyers-seek-dismissal-in-tampa-stand-your-ground-case/1224750
And he hasn't been cleared yet. :no:
Quote from: Locutus on April 20, 2012, 12:11:42 PM
And he hasn't been cleared yet. :no:
Thanks I just caught the tail end of it and couldn't remember the name to look it up.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 11, 2012, 03:33:56 PM
I'm still sitting silently on this one.....we need to hear ALL the facts. I hope that the special prosecutors are NOT reacting to public pressure, and actually DO have some concrete evidence to convict Zimmerman with an actual crime.
Off the cuff, one has to wonder if the evidence is in favor of Zimmerman since NO charges has been filed, unitl NOW.
I still believe had Zimmerman NOT been playing Barney Fife, Martin would still be alive...but there is NO crime in playing Barney Fife...is there?
It is without a doubt a very interesting case.
2nd degree murder playing barney fife isn't a crime? This guy has been playing cop way too long and I hope the HOA is absolutely fucked for sending Barney out on patrol, armed. It has already been established Zimmerman wasn't supposed to have the Barney bullet, nor pursue the kid. I hope the Martin family owns the whole fucking place when all is done.
Quote from: dan foster on April 20, 2012, 09:09:45 PM
2nd degree murder playing barney fife isn't a crime? This guy has been playing cop way too long and I hope the HOA is absolutely fucked for sending Barney out on patrol, armed. It has already been established Zimmerman wasn't supposed to have the Barney bullet, nor pursue the kid. I hope the Martin family owns the whole fucking place when all is done.
I would like to see the jury divided 6 whites and 6 blacks to give the killer an equal chance to get by with murder. :biggrin:
Where did it say the HOA sent Mr. Zimmerman "out on patrol"? I thought he did this on his own (self appointed).
Quote from: Anne on April 21, 2012, 03:30:52 PM
Where did it say the HOA sent Mr. Zimmerman "out on patrol"? I thought he did this on his own (self appointed).
Since he lived there, I would consider him a member on the Neighborhood watch. :eye: :cowboy: :hunt: :cheshire: :yes: :wink:
Depends, did he attend meetings, was he a member of the group, did they authorize him to patrol with a gun, probably not, unless their neighborhood watch groups are a lot different than they are here. Living in a nieghborhood doesn't necessarily make you a member of the neighborhood watch group.
Quote from: Anne on April 21, 2012, 07:06:09 PM
Depends, did he attend meetings, was he a member of the group, did they authorize him to patrol with a gun, probably not, unless their neighborhood watch groups are a lot different than they are here. Living in a nieghborhood doesn't necessarily make you a member of the neighborhood watch group.
By any chance do you watch your neighborhood. I'll bet you do. :yes: :yes:
Yes, we did belong to the neighborhood watch, but haven't been for awhile. It was very interesting and informative. For the record we were told never to follow or confront anyone but to call the police.
Quote from: Anne on April 21, 2012, 11:46:45 PM
Yes, we did belong to the neighborhood watch, but haven't been for awhile. It was very interesting and informative. For the record we were told never to follow or confront anyone but to call the police.
But what would that happened by one of your neighborhood watch. :confused:
If you are asking would that have happened in our neighborhood, I don't think so. Our neighorhood is multi ethnic and seems to serve as a shortcut between two major streets so it isn't unusual to see black, hispanic or biracial people walking or driving through the neighborhood. Late at night someone might call the police though.
Quote from: Anne on April 22, 2012, 04:35:28 PM
If you are asking would that have happened in our neighborhood, I don't think so. Our neighorhood is multi ethnic and seems to serve as a shortcut between two major streets so it isn't unusual to see black, hispanic or biracial people walking or driving through the neighborhood. Late at night someone might call the police though.
I always thought that you NEVER say NEVER. :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on April 22, 2012, 09:15:34 PM
I always thought that you NEVER say NEVER. :yes:
Where did I say Never? Better read it again! ;)
Zimmerman is going to be out soon on bond. He'll retreat back out of state since he's been allowed to do so by the court.
Quote from: Locutus on April 22, 2012, 09:26:44 PM
Zimmerman is going to be out soon on bond. He'll retreat back out of state since he's been allowed to do so by the court.
He'll be a target for those who would take the law into their own hands as a means of administering some "biblical justice", wait and see. . . And this thing will get so out of hand it will spawn race riots from coast to coast.
With so many unemployed still out on the streets (figuratively as well as literally), and a long and very hot summer just ahead, tempers will flare. The American society is a tinderbox sitting on a mountain of dynamite, in the middle of a drought right now, and it will not take much more to set it all off.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 22, 2012, 11:57:18 PM
He'll be a target for those who would take the law into their own hands as a means of administering some "biblical justice", wait and see. . . And this thing will get so out of hand it will spawn race riots from coast to coast.
With so many unemployed still out on the streets (figuratively as well as literally), and a long and very hot summer just ahead, tempers will flare. The American society is a tinderbox sitting on a mountain of dynamite, in the middle of a drought right now, and it will not take much more to set it all off.
Well I'm certainly inclined to agree with you that things won't go well if he is found innocent of the charge. But I think that's exactly what's going to happen unless the prosecutor has uncovered something that hasn't come to light publicly. Unfortunately, the only one left alive to tell his story is Zimmerman. Given that fact, and the claims he's made to date, he may very well be covered under the "Stand your Ground" law here in Florida. In fact, before the case ever even goes to trial, the defense will make a motion to the judge to have the case dismissed on those grounds. It will definitely be interesting.
He's out as of midnight. So here we go. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on April 23, 2012, 12:31:59 AM
He's out as of midnight. So here we go. . .
I was unaware of that. I'm quite certain he's headed out of state.
Quote from: Locutus on April 23, 2012, 12:33:53 AM
I was unaware of that. I'm quite certain he's headed out of state.
It just hit CNN. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on April 23, 2012, 12:34:33 AM
It just hit CNN. . .
Zimmerman, the only thing say about the killer is, the poor bastard. If he is set free he will be in fear of someone shooting him. If in prison all of those big black gang members will be trying for him. They don't have guns all they have is their hands around his neck, fist, shivs, broken glass other nice slow ways to die.
If he runs for his mother birth place he won't be safe there. Poor, poor bastard. :haha: :haha: :haha:
:rolleyes:
http://twitchy.com/2012/04/23/twitter-lynch-mob-now-that-george-zimmerman-is-out-on-bail-lets-kill-him/ (http://twitchy.com/2012/04/23/twitter-lynch-mob-now-that-george-zimmerman-is-out-on-bail-lets-kill-him/)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 23, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
http://twitchy.com/2012/04/23/twitter-lynch-mob-now-that-george-zimmerman-is-out-on-bail-lets-kill-him/ (http://twitchy.com/2012/04/23/twitter-lynch-mob-now-that-george-zimmerman-is-out-on-bail-lets-kill-him/)
That is just so wrong.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 23, 2012, 11:24:24 AM
http://twitchy.com/2012/04/23/twitter-lynch-mob-now-that-george-zimmerman-is-out-on-bail-lets-kill-him/ (http://twitchy.com/2012/04/23/twitter-lynch-mob-now-that-george-zimmerman-is-out-on-bail-lets-kill-him/)
That just goes to show that PH may be right. Can you imagine what's going to happen if and when he is cleared of the charges? Like I said before, since he's the only one still around to tell his side of the story, he may very well walk under the Stand Your Ground law.
Quote from: Locutus on April 23, 2012, 11:49:45 AM
That just goes to show that PH may be right. Can you imagine what's going to happen if and when he is cleared of the charges? Like I said before, since he's the only one still around to tell his side of the story, he may very well walk under the Stand Your Ground law.
My thought is this..........lets wait until he is tried and hear ALL the evidence before ANYBODY accuses him of anything "guilty". He has been co-operative, his past is good. For all practical purposes he IS innocent, until PROCEN guilty.
Becuase of the strong liberal bias, he is GUILTY! and ALL threats seem to be warranted.
My prediction is, that he will be found guilty to avoid riots.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 23, 2012, 11:54:38 AM
My thought is this..........lets wait until he is tried and hear ALL the evidence before ANYBODY accuses him of anything "guilty". He has been co-operative, his past is good. For all practical purposes he IS innocent, until PROCEN guilty.
Becuase of the strong liberal bias, he is GUILTY! and ALL threats seem to be warranted.
My prediction is, that he will be found guilty to avoid riots.
I agree with you regarding the presumption of innocence, and I would certainly hope that
no jury would convict him just to avoid riots. I still have some faith in the independence of jurors to act on their own despite public opinion (case in point - Casey Anthony).
Another possibility is that the prosecutor charged him with second degree murder in order to scare him, thus enabling them to possibly get him to plead to a lesser charge of some form of manslaughter.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 23, 2012, 11:54:38 AM
Becuase of the strong liberal bias, he is GUILTY!
That's such bullshit. Trayvon Martin did not follow George Zimmerman's vehicle, break the window out of it, pull him out and start bashing his head into the sidewalk. Had George Zimmerman done what he was instructed by the police, none of this would have happened. I thought you conservatives were all about taking responsibility for your actions? Next you'll be telling us all that Brisard's presumption of guilt is due to liberal bias as well.
:no:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 23, 2012, 12:05:39 PM
That's such bullshit. Trayvon Martin did not follow George Zimmerman's vehicle, break the window out of it, pull him out and start bashing his head into the sidewalk. Had George Zimmerman done what he was instructed by the police, none of this would have happened. I thought you conservatives were all about taking responsibility for your actions? Next you'll be telling us all that Brisard's presumption of guilt is due to liberal bias as well.
There are conflicting stories on what happened and one witness said he did quit pursuing Trayvon and Trayvon attacked him as he was getting in the car. And, as I also said, the gun may very well have gone off accidentally when they were scuffling on the ground. They haven't released any ballistic evidence yet and the media has fixed it so even if that is found to be true no one will believe it.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/someone-kill-judge_640598.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/someone-kill-judge_640598.html)
'Someone Kill the Judge
George Zimmerman, the accused murderer of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, has been released from jail on bail. Meeting Zimmerman's release are calls (on Twitter) for him to be killed.
As Twitchy reports, "Twitter lynch mob: George Zimmerman is out on bail? Let's kill him! (http://twitchy.com/2012/04/23/twitter-lynch-mob-now-that-george-zimmerman-is-out-on-bail-lets-kill-him/)
"But it's not just Zimmerman who is at risk. In fact, there's already been a call on Twitter for the murder of the judge, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, who agreed to release Zimmerman on bail.
Writing on a Twitter, someone named @Rick_Cobain writes (https://twitter.com/#!/Rick_Cobain/status/194440736412938241),
"Zimmerman released from jail someone kill the judge!!!!!"
Zimmerman released from jail someone kill the judge!!!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 23, 2012, 12:28:28 PM
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/someone-kill-judge_640598.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/someone-kill-judge_640598.html)
'Someone Kill the Judge
George Zimmerman, the accused murderer of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, has been released from jail on bail. Meeting Zimmerman's release are calls (on Twitter) for him to be killed.
As Twitchy reports, "Twitter lynch mob: George Zimmerman is out on bail? Let's kill him! (http://twitchy.com/2012/04/23/twitter-lynch-mob-now-that-george-zimmerman-is-out-on-bail-lets-kill-him/)
"But it's not just Zimmerman who is at risk. In fact, there's already been a call on Twitter for the murder of the judge, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, who agreed to release Zimmerman on bail.
Writing on a Twitter, someone named @Rick_Cobain writes (https://twitter.com/#!/Rick_Cobain/status/194440736412938241),
"Zimmerman released from jail someone kill the judge!!!!!"
Zimmerman released from jail someone kill the judge!!!!!
You can't blame that on "liberals". That is exactly what I was talking about in my previous posting.
QuoteHe'll be a target for those who would take the law into their own hands as a means of administering some "biblical justice", wait and see. . . And this thing will get so out of hand it will spawn race riots from coast to coast.
With so many unemployed still out on the streets (figuratively as well as literally), and a long and very hot summer just ahead, tempers will flare. The American society is a tinderbox sitting on a mountain of dynamite, in the middle of a drought right now, and it will not take much more to set it all off.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 23, 2012, 12:31:55 PM
You can't blame that on "liberals". That is exactly what I was talking about in my previous posting.
just an observation I have made.....you may be right.
Quote from: me on April 23, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
There are conflicting stories on what happened and one witness said he did quit pursuing Trayvon and Trayvon attacked him as he was getting in the car. And, as I also said, the gun may very well have gone off accidentally when they were scuffling on the ground. They haven't released any ballistic evidence yet and the media has fixed it so even if that is found to be true no one will believe it.
WHAT! Trayvon attacked him as Zimmerman was getting in his car. Then may I ask, why was Trayvon's warm dead body found inside the condos building on the sidewalk a half a block from the road. Reaching again. :rolleyes:
If Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch why did he have a gun in the first place to go off accidentally. :rolleyes: Your trying to fool us again. Butter Cup. :kiss:
Quote from: me on April 23, 2012, 12:19:42 PM
There are conflicting stories on what happened and one witness said he did quit pursuing Trayvon and Trayvon attacked him as he was getting in the car. And, as I also said, the gun may very well have gone off accidentally when they were scuffling on the ground. They haven't released any ballistic evidence yet and the media has fixed it so even if that is found to be true no one will believe it.
My primary bitch here is the constant attempt to turn everything into a partisan issue when it isn't. Henry claims liberal bias in this case and will turn around tomorrow and complain about "liberal" courts putting criminals back on the streets. So which is it already?
As for the specifics of this case, I am interested in this claim that a witness has Martin attacking Zimmerman as he was getting in his car; can you provide a link to this information? Now let's consider the situation from a common sensical point of view...why? Why would Martin randomly decide to attack a complete stranger in unfamiliar territory for no apparent reason? Short of him being schizophrenic and off his meds, I can't come up with a single plausible reason why that even remotely makes sense.
I can say, however, with absolute certainty that there is a racial component to this story because if the situation were reversed and a young, black neighborhood watch person had shot an unarmed white kid in under exactly the same circumstances, he would have been arrested and made to prove his case in court. You, yourself, provided an example of a similar story to which Locutus subsequently provided details; that shooting happened on Sunday evening and by Tuesday the shooter was in jail.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 23, 2012, 01:13:06 PM
My primary bitch here is the constant attempt to turn everything into a partisan issue when it isn't. Henry claims liberal bias in this case and will turn around tomorrow and complain about "liberal" courts putting criminals back on the streets. So which is it already?
As for the specifics of this case, I am interested in this claim that a witness has Martin attacking Zimmerman as he was getting in his car; can you provide a link to this information? Now let's consider the situation from a common sensical point of view...why? Why would Martin randomly decide to attack a complete stranger in unfamiliar territory for no apparent reason? Short of him being schizophrenic and off his meds, I can't come up with a single plausible reason why that even remotely makes sense.
I can say, however, with absolute certainty that there is a racial component to this story because if the situation were reversed and a young, black neighborhood watch person had shot an unarmed white kid in under exactly the same circumstances, he would have been arrested and made to prove his case in court. You, yourself, provided an example of a similar story to which Locutus subsequently provided details; that shooting happened on Sunday evening and by Tuesday the shooter was in jail.
Can't provide a link it was one of the conflicting stories given by one of the supposed eye witnesses which was talked about on the news and was only intended to try to sort things out at the time. That was back when this whole thing first started and who ever it was said Zimmerman had turned around to head back to his car when Trayvon jumped him. It was brought up again when the wounds on the back of Zimmerman's head were being discussed. It was not intended to shift the fault to Trayvon, hold Zimmerman blameless or excuse the fact that he was carrying a gun it was simply mentioned as one of the conflicting eye witness stories.
Quote from: me on April 23, 2012, 01:36:00 PM
Can't provide a link it was one of the conflicting stories given by one of the supposed eye witnesses which was talked about on the news and was only intended to try to sort things out at the time. That was back when this whole thing first started and who ever it was said Zimmerman had turned around to head back to his car when Trayvon jumped him. It was brought up again when the wounds on the back of Zimmerman's head were being discussed. It was not intended to shift the fault to Trayvon, hold Zimmerman blameless or excuse the fact that he was carrying a gun it was simply mentioned as one of the conflicting eye witness stories.
Your problem is you want Zimmerman to get off Scott free. It was dark outside and no one seen anything until the gun shot and Zimmerman getting off of Trayvon warm dead body.
So right now we are in a limbo but rumors and speculation. This in like beating a dead horse. :deadhorse: I think you will be very surprised when the trail starts. :yes:
Marissa Alexander, a 31-year-old mother of three, pleaded for her freedom as an inmate in the Duval County Jail in Jacksonville, Florida.
"This is my life I'm fighting for," she said while wiping away tears. She added, "If you do everything to get on the right side of the law, and it is a law that does not apply to you, where do you go from there?"
Alexander is referring to Florida's so-called 'stand your ground' law, a law that has come under scrutiny since the killing of Trayvon Martin. Unlike the Martin case, which involved one stranger killing another, Alexander's case involved her gun and her abusive husband.
On August 1, 2010, she said her husband, Rico Gray, read text messages on her phone that she had written to her ex-husband. She said Gray became enraged and accused her of being unfaithful. "That's when he strangled me. He put his hands around my neck," Alexander said.
She managed to escape his grip but instead of running out the front door of their home, she ran into the garage, she said, to get into her truck and drive away. Alexander said that in the confusion of the fight, she forgot to get her keys and the garage door wouldn't open, so she made a fateful decision. "I knew I had to protect myself," she said, adding, "I could not fight him. He was 100 pounds more than me. I grabbed my weapon at that point."
She went back inside the house and when Gray saw her pistol at her side, she said he threatened to kill her, so she raised the gun and fired one shot. "I believe when he threatened to kill me, that's what he was absolutely going to do. That's what he intended to do. Had I not discharged my weapon at that point, I would not be here."
Alexander, however, said she did not aim the gun at her husband. She said she fired into the air intending to scare him away and Gray quickly left the house with his two children. No one was hurt in the incident, but Alexander sits in jail facing a 20-year sentence on three charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.
Gray admitted to a history of physical abuse. In a previous incident, Alexander said he beat her so severely she ended up in the hospital and he ended up in jail. "He pushed me, choked me, pushed me so hard into the closet that I hit my head against the wall and passed out for a second," Alexander said.
In a deposition for the case against Alexander, Gray backed up much of his wife's story. "I told her if she ever cheated on me, I would kill her," he said during the proceeding led by a prosecutor for State Attorney Angela Corey's office and his wife's defense attorney.
"If my kids weren't there, I knew I probably would have tried to take the gun from her," Gray said, adding, "If my kids wouldn't have been there, I probably would have put my hand on her." When Alexander's defense attorney asked him what he meant by "put my hand on her," Gray replied, "probably hit her. I got five baby mammas and I put my hands on every last one of them except for one."
Alexander's attorney filed a motion for dismissal under the stand your ground law but at that proceeding her husband changed his story. Gray said he lied during his deposition after conspiring with his wife in an effort to protect her. At the hearing, he denied threatening to kill his wife, adding, "I begged and pleaded for my life when she had the gun." The motion was denied by the judge.
Alexander was offered a plea deal by Corey's office, but she opted to go to trial. A jury found Alexander guilty in 12 minutes. She is baffled why invoking the stand your ground law wasn't successful in her case.
"Other defendants have used it. What's so different about my situation that it doesn't apply to me?" she asked.
The local NAACP believes race may have played a role.
"There's a double standard with stand your ground," said Isaiah Rumlin, president of the Jacksonville Chapter of the NAACP. "The law is applied differently between African-Americans and whites who are involved in these types of cases," he added.
Rumlin cited two shooting cases in Florida with white shooters: One had a successful stand your ground defense and the other has yet to be charged with a crime. Online blogs are also raising the question of race. Last week, a spokeswoman for the Rev. Al Sharpton confirmed he, too, was looking into Alexander's story. When asked about race as a factor in her case, Alexander declined to comment.
CNN requested an interview with Rico Gray for this story. He agreed but later declined through a family friend, saying he was concerned that speaking publicly would put his life in danger. On Sunday, he resumed contact with CNN, offering an interview to "anyone who would like to pay." Monetary compensation for an interview is against CNN policy.
Through a spokeswoman, State Attorney Angela Corey declined to comment on the case until after the sentencing. Alexander's attorney, Kevin M. Cobbin, is fighting for a new trial and that hearing is tentatively scheduled for next week. If that motion is denied, Alexander will receive a mandatory 20-year sentence with no possibility of parole.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/24/justice/ac360-stand-your-ground-law/index.html?c=us&page=0
^^ Another stand your ground case here in Florida being prosecuted by the office of the same prosecutor who charged Zimmerman (State Attorney Angela Corey).
You know, there is some bastards that just need a killing. I don't care for and dislike a woman beater. This guy was admitted wife beater. Had her by hundred pounds plus the strength of a man, he probably had the knowledge of how to use his weight and strength.
I don't think Tryvon had any of these qualities and the police didn't even want to arrest his killer. Like I have said in the past, our Judaical system is really screw up just like some of our Peers on the jury's. :yes: :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 29, 2012, 11:14:18 AM
Yep, Zimmerman should havge been charged and a jury should have been left to decide if he acted in self-defense. The problem that I have with the situation is that some people don't seem to realize that the stand your ground law doesn't only apply to Zimmerman but to Martin as well. Zimmerman followed and probably tried to detain Martin when he had no authority to do so. Had he followed the instructions he was given by law enforcement and let them handle it, Trayvon Martin would be alive today. Martin's death is a direct result of bad decisions made by Zimmerman, ergo, Zimmerman is responsible for his death.
You don't get to cry self-defense when you shoot someone as a result of an altercation that you initiated.
I push the blame through Zimmerman all the way back to the stupid HOA that had barney fife acting on their behalf. They should have to pay out a very large sum of money for the wrongful death of martin. However, the SYG law is flawed if it would allow zimmerman to claim it for all the reasons you pointed out. FL pretty much sucks. And, man do they hate kids.
Dan, I'll bet your really sorry that Fox New fired Old Glen Beck. What a relief, it like losing a large infected hemorrhoid off your ass. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on April 26, 2012, 07:17:32 PM
Dan, I'll bet your really sorry that Fox New fired Old Glen Beck. What a relief, it like losing a large infected hemorrhoid off your ass. :haha: :haha:
BECK WAS NOT FIRED HE QUIT TO PURSUE OTHER INTERESTS. HE STILL DOES GUEST APPEARANCES FROM TIME TO TIME ON VARIOUS SHOWS ON FOX. THERE i PUT IT IN LARGE PRINT SO MAYBE YOU COULD READ IT. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on April 26, 2012, 07:27:14 PM
BECK WAS NOT FIRED HE QUIT TO PURSUE OTHER INTERESTS. HE STILL DOES GUEST APPEARANCES FROM TIME TO TIME ON VARIOUS SHOWS ON FOX. THERE i PUT IT IN LARGE PRINT SO MAYBE YOU COULD READ IT. :rolleyes:
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that Glen was your spiritual leader and mentor. :kiss;
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/comments/idUSBRE83O18H20120425?page=1
By Chris Francescani
SANFORD, Florida (Reuters) - A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.
The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law's dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.
"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.
"Get a gun."
That November, the Zimmermans completed firearms training at a local lodge and received concealed-weapons gun permits. In early December, another source close to them told Reuters, the couple bought a pair of guns. George picked a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm handgun, a popular, lightweight weapon.
By June 2011, Zimmerman's attention had shifted from a loose pit bull to a wave of robberies that rattled the community, called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.
Few of his closest neighbors knew he carried a gun - until two months ago.
On February 26, George Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in what Zimmerman says was self-defense. The furor that ensued has consumed the country and prompted a re-examination of guns, race and self-defense laws enacted in nearly half the United States.
During the time Zimmerman was in hiding, his detractors defined him as a vigilante who had decided Martin was suspicious merely because he was black. After Zimmerman was finally arrested on a charge of second-degree murder more than six weeks after the shooting, prosecutors portrayed him as a violent and angry man who disregarded authority by pursuing the 17-year-old.
But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.
Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.
The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.
A criminal justice student who aspired to become a judge, Zimmerman also concerned himself with the safety of his neighbors after a series of break-ins committed by young African-American men.
Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.
"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."
"MIXED" HOUSEHOLD
George Michael Zimmerman was born in 1983 to Robert and Gladys Zimmerman, the third of four children. Robert Zimmerman Sr. was a U.S. Army veteran who served in Vietnam in 1970, and was stationed at Fort Myer in Arlington, Virginia, in 1975 with Gladys Mesa's brother George. Zimmerman Sr. also served two tours in Korea, and spent the final 10 years of his 22-year military career in the Pentagon, working for the Department of Defense, a family member said.
In his final years in Virginia before retiring to Florida, Robert Zimmerman served as a magistrate in Fairfax County's 19th Judicial District.
Robert and Gladys met in January 1975, when George Mesa brought along his army buddy to his sister's birthday party. She was visiting from Peru, on vacation from her job there as a physical education teacher. Robert was a Baptist, Gladys was Catholic. They soon married, in a Catholic ceremony in Alexandria, and moved to nearby Manassas.
Gladys came to lead a small but growing Catholic Hispanic enclave within the All Saints Catholic Church parish in the late 1970s, where she was involved in the church's outreach programs. Gladys would bring young George along with her on "home visits" to poor families, said a family friend, Teresa Post.
"It was part of their upbringing to know that there are people in need, people more in need than themselves," said Post, a Peruvian immigrant who lived with the Zimmermans for a time.
Post recalls evening prayers before dinner in the ethnically diverse Zimmerman household, which included siblings Robert Jr., Grace, and Dawn. "It wasn't only white or only Hispanic or only black - it was mixed," she said.
Zimmerman's maternal grandmother, Cristina, who had lived with the Zimmermans since 1978, worked as a babysitter for years during Zimmerman's childhood. For several years she cared for two African-American girls who ate their meals at the Zimmerman house and went back and forth to school each day with the Zimmerman children.
"They were part of the household for years, until they were old enough to be on their own," Post said.
Zimmerman served as an altar boy at All Saints from age 7 to 17, church members said.
"He wasn't the type where, you know, 'I'm being forced to do this,' and a dragging-his-feet Catholic," said Sandra Vega, who went to high school with George and his siblings. "He was an altar boy for years, and then worked in the rectory too. He has a really good heart."
George grew up bilingual, and by age 10 he was often called to the Haydon Elementary School principal's office to act as a translator between administrators and immigrant parents. At 14 he became obsessed with becoming a Marine, a relative said, joining the after-school ROTC program at Grace E. Metz Middle School and polishing his boots by night. At 15, he worked three part-time jobs - in a Mexican restaurant, for the rectory, and washing cars - on nights and weekends, to save up for a car.
After graduating from Osbourn High School in 2001, Zimmerman moved to Lake Mary, Florida, a town neighboring Sanford. His parents purchased a retirement home there in 2002, in part to bring Cristina, who suffers from arthritis, to a warmer climate.
YOUNG INSURANCE AGENT
On his own at 18, George got a job at an insurance agency and began to take classes at night to earn a license to sell insurance. He grew friendly with a real estate agent named Lee Ann Benjamin, who shared office space in the building, and later her husband, John Donnelly, a Sanford attorney.
"George impressed me right off the bat as just a real go-getter," Donnelly said. "He was working days and taking all these classes at night, passing all the insurance classes, not just for home insurance, but auto insurance and everything. He wanted to open his own office - and he did."
In 2004, Zimmerman partnered with an African-American friend and opened up an Allstate insurance satellite office, Donnelly said.
Then came 2005, and a series of troubles. Zimmerman's business failed, he was arrested, and he broke off an engagement with a woman who filed a restraining order against him.
That July, Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent who was arresting an under-age friend of Zimmerman's at a bar. He avoided conviction by agreeing to participate in a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes.
In August, Zimmerman's fiancee at the time, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds, and both orders were granted. The relationship ended.
In 2007 he married Shellie Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, and in 2009 the couple rented a townhouse in the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman had bounced from job to job for a couple of years, working at a car dealership and a mortgage company. At times, according to testimony from Shellie at a bond hearing for Zimmerman last week, the couple filed for unemployment benefits.
Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred.
On March 22, nearly a month after the shooting and with the controversy by then swirling nationwide, the school issued a press release saying it was taking the "unusual, but necessary" step of withdrawing Zimmerman's enrollment, citing "the safety of our students on campus as well as for Mr. Zimmerman."
A NEIGHBORHOOD IN FEAR
By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.
At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.
In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.
One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.
But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.
On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.
"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.
Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.
After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.
"He was so mellow and calm, very helpful and very, very sweet," she said last week. "We didn't really know George at first, but after the break-in we talked to him on a daily basis. People were freaked out. It wasn't just George calling police ... we were calling police at least once a week."
In September, a group of neighbors including Zimmerman approached the homeowners association with their concerns, she said. Zimmerman was asked to head up a new neighborhood watch. He agreed.
"PLEASE CONTACT OUR CAPTAIN"
Police had advised Bertalan to get a dog. She and her husband decided to move out instead, and left two days before the shooting. Zimmerman took the advice.
"He'd already had a mutt that he walked around the neighborhood every night - man, he loved that dog - but after that home invasion he also got a Rottweiler," said Jorge Rodriguez, a friend and neighbor of the Zimmermans.
Around the same time, Zimmerman also gave Rodriguez and his wife, Audria, his contact information, so they could reach him day or night. Rodriguez showed the index card to Reuters. In neat cursive was a list of George and Shellie's home number and cell phones, as well as their emails.
Less than two weeks later, another Twin Lakes home was burglarized, police reports show. Two weeks after that, a home under construction was vandalized.
The Retreat at Twin Lakes e-newsletter for February 2012 noted: "The Sanford PD has announced an increased patrol within our neighborhood ... during peak crime hours.
"If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."
EMMANUEL BURGESS - SETTING THE STAGE
On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.
"I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.
On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.
Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.
Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.
Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.
Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.
"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.
The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.
This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.
"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."
After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.
Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.
Quote from: The Troll on April 26, 2012, 07:30:10 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that Glen was your spiritual leader and mentor. :kiss;
Just tryin' to keep you straight is all wouldn't want your nose to grow any bigger than it already is.
More media propaganda to fan the flames!
Quote from: Palehorse on April 26, 2012, 08:33:23 PM
More media propaganda to fan the flames!
I believe it's explaining why he had a gun and disputing some of the negative things, like NBC cutting that tape to make things worse, that have been said and caused a dangerous situation for him and his family. Why do you call anything positive propaganda and take inflammatory statements as gospel believing the worst about Zimmerman?
Quote from: me on April 27, 2012, 12:08:48 AM
I believe it's explaining why he had a gun and disputing some of the negative things, like NBC cutting that tape to make things worse, that have been said and caused a dangerous situation for him and his family. Why do you call anything positive propaganda and take inflammatory statements as gospel believing the worst about Zimmerman?
As I have said before and I will say again, it is
all nothing more than a media propaganda campaign. I have never convicted the man; the courts will do so. As for the article you posted, that is nothing more than the media trying to do a little CYA to assure they have something to point toward in case the defendant is found not guilty and then decides to sue the various media venues that have served to try and convict him within the public arena.
Face it, then man's life is over as far as being able to live anything close to what would be defined as a "normal life"; no matter what the verdict is. If he is guilty he goes to the sin bin. If he is found not guilty it will no longer matter, because the media has already assured he will be punished no matter what. So it is all but a sure bet he will initiate civil action(s) against them should the verdict exonerate him.
Quote from: Palehorse on April 27, 2012, 12:15:09 AM
As I have said before and I will say again, it is all nothing more than a media propaganda campaign. I have never convicted the man; the courts will do so. As for the article you posted, that is nothing more than the media trying to do a little CYA to assure they have something to point toward in case the defendant is found not guilty and then decides to sue the various media venues that have served to try and convict him within the public arena.
Face it, then man's life is over as far as being able to live anything close to what would be defined as a "normal life"; no matter what the verdict is. If he is guilty he goes to the sin bin. If he is found not guilty it will no longer matter, because the media has already assured he will be punished no matter what. So it is all but a sure bet he will initiate civil action(s) against them should the verdict exonerate him.
The bad thing is it's not only him it's his family who are receiving hate mail and death threats.
Quote from: me on April 27, 2012, 12:57:49 AM
The bad thing is it's not only him it's his family who are receiving hate mail and death threats.
Hooo, how my heart bleeds for them. Just think how it would have been if he hadn't shot the boy. But, if the police had put him in jail at the time of the crime and had did what every other police department done and charged him with something, thing wouldn't be this way.
Not doing their job and then trying to cover it up, just like what happened in Indianapolis, when the cops tried to coverup the drunk cop that killed the guy on the motorcycle. We would have this big scandal. :rant:
As I have heard so many times, some times it's not the crime, but the coverup. Boo Hoo :cry:
Quote from: The Troll on April 27, 2012, 08:06:01 AM
Hooo, how my heart bleeds for them. Just think how it would have been if he hadn't shot the boy. But, if the police had put him in jail at the time of the crime and had did what every other police department done and charged him with something, thing wouldn't be this way.
Not doing their job and then trying to cover it up, just like what happened in Indianapolis, when the cops tried to coverup the drunk cop that killed the guy on the motorcycle. We would have this big scandal. :rant:
As I have heard so many times, some times it's not the crime, but the coverup. Boo Hoo :cry:
So you think hate mail and death threats against his family are perfectly ok huh? What a guy. :rolleyes:
:no:
That story about Zimmerman exposes him as a frightenend little man with a history of violent behavior who couldn't keep a job.
Quote from: me on April 27, 2012, 12:57:49 AM
The bad thing is it's not only him it's his family who are receiving hate mail and death threats.
From the very same people who hate that African American in the white house I'd bet. . .
Quote from: me on April 27, 2012, 08:53:30 AM
So you think hate mail and death threats against his family are perfectly ok huh? What a guy. :rolleyes:
What about the hundreds of thousands of dollars he has received in donations, that he and his family failed to disclose to the court or his attorney?
Quote from: Palehorse on April 27, 2012, 11:44:12 AM
What about the hundreds of thousands of dollars he has received in donations, that he and his family failed to disclose to the court or his attorney?
That he has received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations is beyond sickening.
Old :me: She feels so bad for Zimmerman and his family, but she supports a political party that wants to do away with Social Security, take Medicare and replace it with a $5000 voucher from some private insurance company and just, plain a simple do away with Medicare. With this :me: agrees to give the super rich another tax cut on top of all of the other loop holes and tax breaks and deductions. Well, :azz: can we all cry, :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: together. Is that right Carrot Top? :wink: :smile:
Quote from: The Troll on April 27, 2012, 12:22:27 PM
Old :me: She feels so bad for Zimmerman and his family, but she supports a political party that wants to do away with Social Security, take Medicare and replace it with a $5000 voucher from some private insurance company and just, plain a simple do away with Medicare. With this :me: agrees to give the super rich another tax cut on top of all of the other loop holes and tax breaks and deductions. Well, :azz: can we all cry, :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: together. Is that right Carrot Top? :wink: :smile:
I would feel bad for anyone in his situation. The media has turned this into a circus hell bent on sensationalism and don't care who gets hurt as long as they get their story.
Quote from: me on April 27, 2012, 12:24:32 PM
I would feel bad for anyone in his situation. The media has turned this into a circus hell bent on sensationalism and don't care who gets hurt as long as they get their story.
He killed someone.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 27, 2012, 12:29:13 PM
He killed someone.
I understand that but it could have been an accident and the media has made it impossible for him to ever live a normal life again if it is ruled as such after checking the evidence and it has put his family in jeopardy as well as anyone who may even remotely resemble him looks wise. If evidence shows he did it on purpose then, yes, he should pay but not his family.
Quote from: me on April 27, 2012, 12:49:53 PM
I understand that but it could have been an accident and the media has made it impossible for him to ever live a normal life again if it is ruled as such after checking the evidence and it has put his family in jeopardy as well as anyone who may even remotely resemble him looks wise. If evidence shows he did it on purpose then, yes, he should pay but not his family.
ACCIDENT! I suppose that you're driving down the highway 100 miles an hour and you closed the Eagles and you got a load of booze in you and you run into a car full of church goers and kill all of them, that's an accident? Huh, Lead Foot? :wink: :smile:
Quote from: me on April 27, 2012, 12:49:53 PM
I understand that but it could have been an accident and the media has made it impossible for him to ever live a normal life again if it is ruled as such after checking the evidence and it has put his family in jeopardy as well as anyone who may even remotely resemble him looks wise. If evidence shows he did it on purpose then, yes, he should pay but not his family.
You can thank the Neanderthal gene-pool that is apparently thriving within the US population for that.
in my opinion, this is not about Trayvon or Zimmerman anymore....it is about the media, and how they can manipulate the sheep to thinking in the fashion THEY want. This is a perfect example.
The media has been PROVEN to have lied, and spin, and "fix" to fire up a group of people. They are generating news and capitalizing off of it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 27, 2012, 01:03:47 PM
in my opinion, this is not about Trayvon or Zimmerman anymore....it is about the media, and how they can manipulate the sheep to thinking in the fashion THEY want. This is a perfect example.
The media has been PROVEN to have lied, and spin, and "fix" to fire up a group of people. They are generating news and capitalizing off of it.
Just as they have done in politics. . . providing a platform for the whack nuts to scream from.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 27, 2012, 01:03:47 PM
the media, and how they can manipulate the sheep to thinking in the fashion THEY want. This is a perfect example.
The media has been PROVEN to have lied, and spin, and "fix" to fire up a group of people. They are generating news and capitalizing off of it.
Precisely! e.g. ... FOX, WND, Rush, etc., etc.
I think the bigger issue here is that legislation like Florida's stand your ground law, however well intentioned, offer the perfect opportunity for virtually anyone to kill someone else and get away with it. Ostensibly, all you have to do is make sure you are alone with that person with no witnesses and have a good story.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 27, 2012, 01:47:30 PM
I think the bigger issue here is that legislation like Florida's stand your ground law, however well intentioned, offer the perfect opportunity for virtually anyone to kill someone else and get away with it. Ostensibly, all you have to do is make sure you are alone with that person with no witnesses and have a good story.
Yes indeed. And make sure you shoot to kill, so your victim can't contradict whatever "good story" you conjure up.
Quote from: Olias on April 27, 2012, 01:39:58 PM
Precisely! e.g. ... FOX, WND, Rush, etc., etc.
and huffington post, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, Maher, Schultz, Madlow, NY Times, Chris Matthews, Keith Oberman and etc., etc.
Quote from: Locutus on April 27, 2012, 01:53:42 PM
Yes indeed. And make sure you shoot to kill, so your victim can't contradict whatever "good story" you conjure up.
I think it is sad that they had to make a law, to protect those who truly ARE defending themsleves.....we just need to go back and apply some common and keep out money grubbing lawyers.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 27, 2012, 01:55:22 PM
and huffington post, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, Maher, Schultz, Madlow, NY Times, Chris Matthews, Keith Oberman and etc., etc.
Had the police done their job none of us ever would have heard about this case and had the media done nothing, Zimmerman would have gotten away with murder.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 27, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
Had the police done their job none of us ever would have heard about this case and had the media done nothing, Zimmerman would have gotten away with murder.
you don't KNOW if he mureder him or not. Unless YOU have special information.
Who else besides me isn't surprised that the same people who claim that their hatred of Obama has nothing to do with race are defending the guy who pursued and then shot an un-armed black teenager?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 27, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
Had the police done their job none of us ever would have heard about this case and had the media done nothing, Zimmerman would have gotten away with murder.
It was being investigated or did you miss that. What happened was simply to stir things up and give the news people something to talk about.
Quote from: me on April 27, 2012, 03:56:54 PM
It was being investigated or did you miss that. What happened was simply to stir things up and give the news people something to talk about.
No, it was not being investigated; the decision had already been made that they would not prosecute Zimmerman until the media made it an issue.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 27, 2012, 04:00:58 PM
No, it was not being investigated; the decision had already been made that they would not prosecute Zimmerman until the media made it an issue.
And you know this because? I know, the media said so. :rolleyes:
:2cents: There is one thing you can count on here on the Zone. :chick: Hawk, Henery and :me: is always on the WRONG SIDE.
"Accident" killer Zimmerman seem to be going back to jail until his bail is reset. It seem that Zimmerman lied about not having any money. I seem that he's been busy. With his internet scam he has receive $200,000 in donations for a lawyer. :haha: He and his lawyers, the same lawyers that :me: is always crying about. :cry: Damn he forgot to say anything about it. :boohoo: :boohoo: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 27, 2012, 03:07:00 PM
Who else besides me isn't surprised that the same people who claim that their hatred of Obama has nothing to do with race are defending the guy who pursued and then shot an un-armed black teenager?
True dat! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 27, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
Had the police done their job none of us ever would have heard about this case and had the media done nothing, Zimmerman would have gotten away with murder.
Just because you weren't hearing about it everyday in the news doesn't mean it wasn't being investigated. You all are accusing me of taking Zimmerman's side in this based on what you perceive by my posts. Well, you're wrong just simply wrong as you are most of the time when you do that. I am simply pointing out the fact that the media is causing what very well may cause innocent people to be hurt by the things they are saying. The media is getting people stirred into a frenzy without regard to anyone's safety they just want sensationalism. What if that elderly couples house had gotten burned down over the wrong address being twittered as Zimmerman's house would that have been justified? You just don't get it do you?
Quote from: me on April 27, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
Just because you weren't hearing about it everyday in the news doesn't mean it wasn't being investigated. You all are accusing me of taking Zimmerman's side in this based on what you perceive by my posts. Well, you're wrong just simply wrong as you are most of the time when you do that. I am simply pointing out the fact that the media is causing what very well may cause innocent people to be hurt by the things they are saying. The media is getting people stirred into a frenzy without regard to anyone's safety they just want sensationalism. What if that elderly couples house had gotten burned down over the wrong address being twittered as Zimmerman's house would that have been justified? You just don't get it do you?
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here's an interesting article on various stand your ground type situations/cases: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/29/us/stand-your-ground/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions on each of these. I am a long-time gun enthusiast and adamantly support the rights of citizens to defend themselves, their loved ones and their property but I am also an ex-Army MP and have spent countless hours in the classroom learning about what does and does not constitute the reasonable and lawful use of deadly force. Is it unreasonable to ask people to take a test in order to obtain a personal carry permit?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 30, 2012, 09:39:55 AM
here's an interesting article on various stand your ground type situations/cases: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/29/us/stand-your-ground/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions on each of these. I am a long-time gun enthusiast and adamantly support the rights of citizens to defend themselves, their loved ones and their property but I am also an ex-Army MP and have spent countless hours in the classroom learning about what does and does not constitute the reasonable and lawful use of deadly force. Is it unreasonable to ask people to take a test in order to obtain a personal carry permit?
Haven't had time to read the article, but I will answer that last question with a very strong affirmative. They should also be required to take extensive training and not just be given some basket-weaving level test.
Quote from: Exterminator on April 30, 2012, 09:39:55 AM
here's an interesting article on various stand your ground type situations/cases: http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/29/us/stand-your-ground/index.html?hpt=hp_c3
I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions on each of these. I am a long-time gun enthusiast and adamantly support the rights of citizens to defend themselves, their loved ones and their property but I am also an ex-Army MP and have spent countless hours in the classroom learning about what does and does not constitute the reasonable and lawful use of deadly force. Is it unreasonable to ask people to take a test in order to obtain a personal carry permit?
In view of the way things seem to be lately I say, yes, people should be required to go to classes and take a test.
The only thing is, like taking guns away from law abiding citizens, those who know they can't pass a test for a permit or criminals will still be able to manage to get guns illegally and that is what's bad.
I'm also beginning to think that "stand your ground" law, although well intended, is a big mistake and should be amended in some way to better clarify it.
Quote from: me on April 30, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
In view of the way things seem to be lately I say, yes, people should be required to go to classes and take a test.
The only thing is, like taking guns away from law abiding citizens, those who know they can't pass a test for a permit or criminals will still be able to manage to get guns illegally and that is what's bad.
I'm also beginning to think that "stand your ground" law, although well intended, is a big mistake and should be amended in some way to better clarify it.
I may be wrong, but I think the question was worded "take a test in order to obtain a
personal carry permit?" In my mind, that only applies to a very small percentage of gun owners and has nothing with "taking guns away from law abiding citizens."
It only applies to the "carry permit" not the gun itself.
Quote from: Olias on April 30, 2012, 12:24:22 PM
I may be wrong, but I think the question was worded "take a test in order to obtain a personal carry permit?" In my mind, that only applies to a very small percentage of gun owners and has nothing with "taking guns away from law abiding citizens."
It only applies to the "carry permit" not the gun itself.
What I was meaning by using that comparison was if someone knows they can't pass a test to obtain a personal carry permit they will carry one anyway in all probability and although it may slow this kind of thing down some it won't stop it altogether just like denying a gun to a law abiding citizen doesn't keep criminals from getting guns. Maybe a poor comparison but surely you know what I mean.
Quote from: me on April 30, 2012, 12:31:26 PM
What I was meaning by using that comparison was if someone knows they can't pass a test to obtain a personal carry permit they will carry one anyway in all probability
At that point they are no longer a "law abiding citizen" then, are they?
Quote from: me on April 30, 2012, 12:31:26 PM
and although it may slow this kind of thing down some it won't stop it altogether just like denying a gun to a law abiding citizen doesn't keep criminals from getting guns. Maybe a poor comparison but surely you know what I mean.
Yes. A poor comparison. I will agree with you on that.
Quote from: me on April 30, 2012, 12:18:46 PM
In view of the way things seem to be lately I say, yes, people should be required to go to classes and take a test.
The only thing is, like taking guns away from law abiding citizens, those who know they can't pass a test for a permit or criminals will still be able to manage to get guns illegally and that is what's bad.
I'm also beginning to think that "stand your ground" law, although well intended, is a big mistake and should be amended in some way to better clarify it.
I think the Stand Your Ground law was well intended, so many people who were on their on property, in their own business, in their homes have had to go through the criminal system and great expense to save themselves from going to prison when someone was robbing or assaulting them and they defended themselves.
But if the law is too vague, not well written it surely be misused. Not to long a go a jewelry store owner was sent to prison for shooting and killing an armed robber on his way out of the business. The prosecutor said he had no business shooting the armed robber as the robber was leaving the business and was no danger to the owner or the customers. :azz: The armed robber was still in his store, still had the gun in his hand and carrying a bag of the owner's money and jewelry. And the wonder Judaical system sent him to prison. :mad: :mad: :mad: :angry:
But what truly gets me is the dumbasses on the jury convicted him. :rant:
A sword never kills anybody; it is a tool in the killer's hand.
What it lies in our power to do, it lies in our power not to do.
Quote from: Olias on April 30, 2012, 12:39:01 PM
At that point they are no longer a "law abiding citizen" then, are they?
Yes. A poor comparison. I will agree with you on that.
Right which is exactly what I meant. I think you just like to argue Olias.
Quote from: me on April 30, 2012, 01:34:48 PM
Right which is exactly what I meant. I think you just like to argue Olias.
I just have trouble following your logic.
Quote from: The Troll on April 30, 2012, 12:41:16 PM
I think the Stand Your Ground law was well intended, so many people who were on their on property, in their own business, in their homes have had to go through the criminal system and great expense to save themselves from going to prison when someone was robbing or assaulting them and they defended themselves.
But if the law is too vague, not well written it surely be misused. Not to long a go a jewelry store owner was sent to prison for shooting and killing an armed robber on his way out of the business. The prosecutor said he had no business shooting the armed robber as the robber was leaving the business and was no danger to the owner or the customers. :azz: The armed robber was still in his store, still had the gun in his hand and carrying a bag of the owner's money and jewelry. And the wonder Judaical system sent him to prison. :mad: :mad: :mad: :angry:
But what truly gets me is the dumbasses on the jury convicted him. :rant:
That is a shame and it happens all the time unfortunately. For all they know he could have turned around when he was standing in the doorway on his way out and shot them all so there would be no witnesses. They should have never convicted the store owner IMO. In fact he shouldn't have even been arrested in the first place.
Quote from: Olias on April 30, 2012, 01:36:48 PM
I just have trouble following your logic.
It isn't my logic it's my way of expressing it. I will admit most of the time I have a problem putting my thoughts into words and I really need to work on that. No, I don't call a locksmith to unlock my convertible when the top is down either. :razz:
Quote from: me on April 30, 2012, 12:31:26 PM
surely you know what I mean.
And don't call me Shirley .....
Quote from: Olias on April 30, 2012, 01:51:55 PM
And don't call me Shirley .....
Can I call you Ray? Of course that question is lost if you don't remember that commercial... :biggrin:
Quote from: me on April 30, 2012, 01:53:34 PM
Can I call you Ray? Of course that question is lost if you don't remember that commercial... :biggrin:
You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me RayJay, or you can call me RJ... but ya doesn't hafta call me Johnson
Quote from: Olias on April 30, 2012, 01:58:44 PM
You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me RayJay, or you can call me RJ... but ya doesn't hafta call me Johnson
:biggrin:
Quote from: me on April 30, 2012, 01:50:28 PM
No, I don't call a locksmith to unlock my convertible when the top is down either. :razz:
With that logic I suppose you didn't get your Corvette Ziebarted either. :wink: :smile:
You can tell when you're in the deep South. All of the Corvettes are Ziebarted. :biggrin:
Quote from: me on April 30, 2012, 01:50:28 PM
No, I don't call a locksmith to unlock my convertible when the top is down either. :razz:
That reminds me ... Just got a call from my mom ... a friend of hers from across the state line in West Virginia was riding in the back of a pickup truck. It crashed over the bank into a flooded creek. Her friend that was in the back drowned. Couldn't get the tailgate down.
NBC has now fired three people from two different offices over at least two different edits of George Zimmerman's now infamous 9-1-1 call prior to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.
Both edits were clearly designed to portray Zimmerman as a racist while raising tensions in an already volatile situation. This latest firing from NBC once again goes unexplained.
The Media Research Center went on the record after uncovering their first edit that NBC is a network out of control point that their two-sentence (non)apology hidden on their website, was an insult.
The truth has been withheld from NBC's own viewers now for more than one month.
Do the network executives at NBC think that this is acceptable?
What about the board and shareholders of Comcast? Is it acceptable for a news organization to consciously and constantly lie to its viewers?
NBC News president Steve Capus admitted that they "probably" should have apologized on-air; NBC still has yet to do so. Even the local NBC affiliate that doctored the clip has fired the offender and apologized and retracted on-air.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2012, 04:19:17 PM
NBC has now fired three people from two different offices over at least two different edits of George Zimmerman's now infamous 9-1-1 call prior to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.
Both edits were clearly designed to portray Zimmerman as a racist while raising tensions in an already volatile situation. This latest firing from NBC once again goes unexplained.
The Media Research Center went on the record after uncovering their first edit that NBC is a network out of control point that their two-sentence (non)apology hidden on their website, was an insult.
The truth has been withheld from NBC's own viewers now for more than one month.
Do the network executives at NBC think that this is acceptable?
What about the board and shareholders of Comcast? Is it acceptable for a news organization to consciously and constantly lie to its viewers?
NBC News president Steve Capus admitted that they "probably" should have apologized on-air; NBC still has yet to do so. Even the local NBC affiliate that doctored the clip has fired the offender and apologized and retracted on-air.
All of this from a worshiper of Fox News, Rick Savage, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and any other right wing blog. :rolleyes: :razz:
Quote from: The Troll on May 03, 2012, 06:47:03 PM
All of this from a worshiper of Fox News, Rick Savage, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh and any other right wing blog. :rolleyes: :razz:
great come-back!!!
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 04, 2012, 08:11:16 AM
great come-back!!!
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I want to get this straight, We don't blame George W. for anything this election cycle. Right? :wink: :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on May 04, 2012, 12:36:11 PM
I want to get this straight, We don't blame George W. for anything this election cycle. Right? :wink: :rolleyes:
Correct.
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Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 12:45:31 PM
Correct.
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:wink: :rolleyes: I understand. :haha: :haha: :haha: :doh:
Quote from: The Troll on May 04, 2012, 12:36:11 PM
I want to get this straight, We don't blame George W. for anything this election cycle. Right? :wink: :rolleyes:
That would be correct. How about hearing a plan to straighten things up, a real plan not just "I've got a plan", tell us what it is. I'm soooo sick of hearing I've got a plan or I've submitted a plan but can't get cooperation without hearing what the "plan" is I could scream. I don't mean just my plan is to cut the deficit I want to know what the "plan" entails, all of it. Obama now has a record to run on so it's time he started using that instead of playing the blame game and finger pointing. Don't just say, "give me another 4yrs and I can get us back on track," tell me how.
And what's Romney's "plan"?
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 12:45:31 PM
Correct.
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well, c'mon.....over $5,000,000,000,000 (TRILLION) of spending in 3.5 years!!! in Obama's own words..."that is irresponsible, thats unpatriotic"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLmru6no4U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyLmru6no4U)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 04, 2012, 01:47:15 PM
well, c'mon.....over $5,000,000,000,000 (TRILLION) of spending in 3.5 years!!! in Obama's own words..."that is irresponsible, thats unpatriotic"...
Did he actually spend $5 trillion or did the deficit increase by that amount? The rhetoric you're parroting only works on simpletons like yourself. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/02/08/obamas-spending-exclusive-estimate-of-the-true-number.html)
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 01:46:18 PM
And what's Romney's "plan"?
Is he running yet? Has he been nominated yet? Noooo.....Is Obama running for a second term.....yeeeeeesss Is he supposed to have a "plan" already? yeeesss So what is it?
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 02:00:52 PM
Did he actually spend $5 trillion or did the deficit increase by that amount? The rhetoric you're parroting only works on simpletons like yourself. (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/02/08/obamas-spending-exclusive-estimate-of-the-true-number.html)
let this simpleton keep it simple for you when Bush left office our national debt was $10.456 trillion....Our National Debt right now stands at $15.566 trillion.....THIS money WAS spent under Obama's watch with most of that time under democrat house and senate.
All of this from a man, who PROMISED to cut the deficit in half durng his first term...........HIS WORDS. HIS PROMISE.
and that is why the slogan:
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You didn't even read the article and try to educate yourself; did you? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 02:40:40 PM
You didn't even read the article and try to educate yourself; did you? :rolleyes:
Why should I? Newsweek is about as liberal of a source as there is...
I think my FACTS tells it all quite simply. Obama BITCH about the 4 trillion under Bush and the republicans..........he did FIVE in half the time.
That is a fact, no lie, no spin....fact.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 04, 2012, 02:51:20 PM
Why should I?
LMAO! Of course. Don't let the real numbers get in the way of your little illusion.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 03:01:09 PM
LMAO! Of course. Don't let the real numbers get in the way of your little illusion.
i gave you real numbers. five trillion under obama's watch. you can spin it anyway you want. HE was going to pull troops out right away...He was going to close gitmo....blah, blah, blah.
HE made the promise....Obama himself. He said it! He did NOT deliver...he went the opposite way.
that is a fact.
You have no idea what that figure you're throwing around even means. You should just shut your pie hole and stop embarassing yourself.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 03:21:03 PM
You have no idea what that figure you're throwing around even means. You should just shut your pie hole and stop embarassing yourself.
you wanna shut my pie hole come and do it.
prove my facts are wrong....YOU CAN"T.
Those are fuckng Facts....something liberals stray away from...like unemployment numbers....the fudge the numbers.
I will be waiting on you to prove my FACTS wrong....YOU CANNOT do it.
did obama say he would cut the deficit in half?..............YES
Did he?.........NO
It increased by $5 trillion dollars.......money HE and the dems spent. Unders HIS watch. And HIS promises to cut them...he did NOT
all facts.
Not ONE lie.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 04, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
you wanna shut my pie hole come and do it.
There's seriously no street cred in that.
Quoteprove my facts are wrong....YOU CAN"T.
You don't have facts, you have distortions.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 03:51:54 PM
There's seriously no street cred in that.
I know but I gave it a shot!
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 03:51:54 PM
You don't have facts, you have distortions.
Then it would be easy to prove me wrong then...and YOU can't
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 04, 2012, 03:53:29 PM
Then it would be easy to prove me wrong then...and YOU can't
I can absolutely prove that the
majority of the increase was not tied to any increase in spending for which Obama's administration is responsible and part of it wasn't due to any increases at at but to drops in revenue because of the recession but your little head might pop with the realization that everything is much more complicated than you see it. It might also interest you to note that Obama's single largest "expenditure" since taking office has been a reduction in income taxes for the middle class...something I know you're against.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2012, 04:02:50 PM
I can absolutely prove that the majority of the increase was not tied to any increase in spending for which Obama's administration is responsible and part of it wasn't due to any increases at at but to drops in revenue because of the recession but your little head might pop with the realization that everything is much more complicated than you see it. It might also interest you to note that Obama's single largest "expenditure" since taking office has been a reduction in income taxes for the middle class...something I know you're against.
If you are referring to the payroll tax cut, that he is robbing peter to pay paul...from our SS and medicare....that reduction meant, on average, a big $38 bucks a month to the working class....the only thing it stimulated was the growing hole of national debt and did nothing to boost our economy. and completly ignorant polocy of HIS, that did not work...like many of his OTHER policies.
Quote from: me on April 26, 2012, 07:36:28 PM
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/comments/idUSBRE83O18H20120425?page=1
By Chris Francescani
SANFORD, Florida (Reuters) - A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.
The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law's dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.
"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.
"Get a gun."
That November, the Zimmermans completed firearms training at a local lodge and received concealed-weapons gun permits. In early December, another source close to them told Reuters, the couple bought a pair of guns. George picked a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm handgun, a popular, lightweight weapon.
By June 2011, Zimmerman's attention had shifted from a loose pit bull to a wave of robberies that rattled the community, called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.
Few of his closest neighbors knew he carried a gun - until two months ago.
On February 26, George Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in what Zimmerman says was self-defense. The furor that ensued has consumed the country and prompted a re-examination of guns, race and self-defense laws enacted in nearly half the United States.
During the time Zimmerman was in hiding, his detractors defined him as a vigilante who had decided Martin was suspicious merely because he was black. After Zimmerman was finally arrested on a charge of second-degree murder more than six weeks after the shooting, prosecutors portrayed him as a violent and angry man who disregarded authority by pursuing the 17-year-old.
But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.
Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.
The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.
A criminal justice student who aspired to become a judge, Zimmerman also concerned himself with the safety of his neighbors after a series of break-ins committed by young African-American men.
Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.
"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."
"MIXED" HOUSEHOLD
George Michael Zimmerman was born in 1983 to Robert and Gladys Zimmerman, the third of four children. Robert Zimmerman Sr. was a U.S. Army veteran who served in Vietnam in 1970, and was stationed at Fort Myer in Arlington, Virginia, in 1975 with Gladys Mesa's brother George. Zimmerman Sr. also served two tours in Korea, and spent the final 10 years of his 22-year military career in the Pentagon, working for the Department of Defense, a family member said.
In his final years in Virginia before retiring to Florida, Robert Zimmerman served as a magistrate in Fairfax County's 19th Judicial District.
Robert and Gladys met in January 1975, when George Mesa brought along his army buddy to his sister's birthday party. She was visiting from Peru, on vacation from her job there as a physical education teacher. Robert was a Baptist, Gladys was Catholic. They soon married, in a Catholic ceremony in Alexandria, and moved to nearby Manassas.
Gladys came to lead a small but growing Catholic Hispanic enclave within the All Saints Catholic Church parish in the late 1970s, where she was involved in the church's outreach programs. Gladys would bring young George along with her on "home visits" to poor families, said a family friend, Teresa Post.
"It was part of their upbringing to know that there are people in need, people more in need than themselves," said Post, a Peruvian immigrant who lived with the Zimmermans for a time.
Post recalls evening prayers before dinner in the ethnically diverse Zimmerman household, which included siblings Robert Jr., Grace, and Dawn. "It wasn't only white or only Hispanic or only black - it was mixed," she said.
Zimmerman's maternal grandmother, Cristina, who had lived with the Zimmermans since 1978, worked as a babysitter for years during Zimmerman's childhood. For several years she cared for two African-American girls who ate their meals at the Zimmerman house and went back and forth to school each day with the Zimmerman children.
"They were part of the household for years, until they were old enough to be on their own," Post said.
Zimmerman served as an altar boy at All Saints from age 7 to 17, church members said.
"He wasn't the type where, you know, 'I'm being forced to do this,' and a dragging-his-feet Catholic," said Sandra Vega, who went to high school with George and his siblings. "He was an altar boy for years, and then worked in the rectory too. He has a really good heart."
George grew up bilingual, and by age 10 he was often called to the Haydon Elementary School principal's office to act as a translator between administrators and immigrant parents. At 14 he became obsessed with becoming a Marine, a relative said, joining the after-school ROTC program at Grace E. Metz Middle School and polishing his boots by night. At 15, he worked three part-time jobs - in a Mexican restaurant, for the rectory, and washing cars - on nights and weekends, to save up for a car.
After graduating from Osbourn High School in 2001, Zimmerman moved to Lake Mary, Florida, a town neighboring Sanford. His parents purchased a retirement home there in 2002, in part to bring Cristina, who suffers from arthritis, to a warmer climate.
YOUNG INSURANCE AGENT
On his own at 18, George got a job at an insurance agency and began to take classes at night to earn a license to sell insurance. He grew friendly with a real estate agent named Lee Ann Benjamin, who shared office space in the building, and later her husband, John Donnelly, a Sanford attorney.
"George impressed me right off the bat as just a real go-getter," Donnelly said. "He was working days and taking all these classes at night, passing all the insurance classes, not just for home insurance, but auto insurance and everything. He wanted to open his own office - and he did."
In 2004, Zimmerman partnered with an African-American friend and opened up an Allstate insurance satellite office, Donnelly said.
Then came 2005, and a series of troubles. Zimmerman's business failed, he was arrested, and he broke off an engagement with a woman who filed a restraining order against him.
That July, Zimmerman was charged with resisting arrest, violence, and battery of an officer after shoving an undercover alcohol-control agent who was arresting an under-age friend of Zimmerman's at a bar. He avoided conviction by agreeing to participate in a pre-trial diversion program that included anger-management classes.
In August, Zimmerman's fiancee at the time, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman reciprocated with his own order on the same grounds, and both orders were granted. The relationship ended.
In 2007 he married Shellie Dean, a licensed cosmetologist, and in 2009 the couple rented a townhouse in the Retreat at Twin Lakes. Zimmerman had bounced from job to job for a couple of years, working at a car dealership and a mortgage company. At times, according to testimony from Shellie at a bond hearing for Zimmerman last week, the couple filed for unemployment benefits.
Zimmerman enrolled in Seminole State College in 2009, and in December 2011 he was permitted to participate in a school graduation ceremony, despite being a course credit shy of his associate's degree in criminal justice. Zimmerman was completing that course credit when the shooting occurred.
On March 22, nearly a month after the shooting and with the controversy by then swirling nationwide, the school issued a press release saying it was taking the "unusual, but necessary" step of withdrawing Zimmerman's enrollment, citing "the safety of our students on campus as well as for Mr. Zimmerman."
A NEIGHBORHOOD IN FEAR
By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.
At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.
In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.
One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.
But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.
On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.
"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.
Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.
After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.
"He was so mellow and calm, very helpful and very, very sweet," she said last week. "We didn't really know George at first, but after the break-in we talked to him on a daily basis. People were freaked out. It wasn't just George calling police ... we were calling police at least once a week."
In September, a group of neighbors including Zimmerman approached the homeowners association with their concerns, she said. Zimmerman was asked to head up a new neighborhood watch. He agreed.
"PLEASE CONTACT OUR CAPTAIN"
Police had advised Bertalan to get a dog. She and her husband decided to move out instead, and left two days before the shooting. Zimmerman took the advice.
"He'd already had a mutt that he walked around the neighborhood every night - man, he loved that dog - but after that home invasion he also got a Rottweiler," said Jorge Rodriguez, a friend and neighbor of the Zimmermans.
Around the same time, Zimmerman also gave Rodriguez and his wife, Audria, his contact information, so they could reach him day or night. Rodriguez showed the index card to Reuters. In neat cursive was a list of George and Shellie's home number and cell phones, as well as their emails.
Less than two weeks later, another Twin Lakes home was burglarized, police reports show. Two weeks after that, a home under construction was vandalized.
The Retreat at Twin Lakes e-newsletter for February 2012 noted: "The Sanford PD has announced an increased patrol within our neighborhood ... during peak crime hours.
"If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."
EMMANUEL BURGESS - SETTING THE STAGE
On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.
"I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.
On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.
Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.
Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.
Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.
Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.
"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.
The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.
This time, Zimmerman was not so patient, and he disregarded police advice against pursuing Martin.
"These assholes," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."
After the phone call ended, several minutes passed when the movements of Zimmerman and Martin remain a mystery.
Moments later, Martin lay dead with a bullet in his chest.
....and he was ordered not to carry a gun on "citizen patrol"......and.....he was told not to pursue martin.....and......martin had more of a right to stand his ground than zimmerman, so even if martin turned on zimmerman, zimmerman put himself in that situation against police orders. its really too bad martin died instead of barney. Either way, the HOA should be held accountable for their action in all this and zimmerman, at a minimum, is guilty of manslaughter (period)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7PRrPX4Jq4 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7PRrPX4Jq4)
Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting
Just an update to a story that seems to have just went away, really quick.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7PRrPX4Jq4 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7PRrPX4Jq4)
Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting
Just an update to a story that seems to have just went away, really quick.
I really don't think anyone is completely innocent here.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7PRrPX4Jq4 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7PRrPX4Jq4)
Zimmerman Medical Report Shows Broken Nose, Lacerations After Trayvon Martin Shooting
Just an update to a story that seems to have just went away, really quick.
Just saying, there have been people who and had other people and themselves, shot themselves to hid a crime they committed.
All he had to do is have one of his big buddies hit him once on the nose and take a knife and cut his head. It's little to pay (hurt) to try to beat the time he should pay for his crime.
I know I took a hit to the nose, it wasn't broken. But I sure bleed all over the place and blacked my eyes The swelling was immediately and my nose leaked blood for two days.
I sure didn't see any swelling of the nose, no cotton packed into his hose, no watering on the eyes, no cuts on the back of the head in the photos of him at the police station. Why wasn't he taken to the hospital in stead of his "family doctor" These injuries have been staged. :rant:
Quote from: Olias on May 17, 2012, 10:34:58 AM
I really don't think anyone is completely innocent here.
Olias, I don't either and have stated so from the beginning. It has been the MEDIA that is guilty of many, many wrong doings.
Quote from: The Troll on May 17, 2012, 10:37:03 AM
Just saying, there have been people who and had other people and themselves, shot themselves to hid a crime they committed.
All he had to do is have one of his big buddies hit him once on the nose and take a knife and cut his head. It's little to pay (hurt) to try to beat the time he should pay for his crime.
I know I took a hit to the nose, it wasn't broken. But I sure bleed all over the place and blacked my eyes The swelling was immediately and my nose leaked blood for two days.
I sure didn't see any swelling of the nose, no cotton packed into his hose, no watering on the eyes, no cuts on the back of the head in the photos of him at the police station. Why wasn't he taken to the hospital in stead of his "family doctor" These injuries have been staged. :rant:
c'mon Troll, he did not need stitches and did not want to go to the hospital....he just went through a ver traumatic experience.
Btw, the autopsy also shows that Trayvon had skin torn on his knuckles.
I think we are going to find out that things went pretty much as Zimmerman said....the only question I have is what transpired just before the incident....who actually instigated the fight. Was Zimmerman really heading for his car, or did he have some harsh words with Martin...OR, did Martin pursue Zimmerman.
I want the truth to come out....but, the real story from this is how the Media made a mountain out of a mole hill, and even LIED to make it so.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 10:38:35 AM
Olias, I don't either and have stated so from the beginning. It has been the MEDIA that is guilty of many, many wrong doings.
Oh yes, it's always got to be the drive-by media, the liberal controlled media, controlled by Sharpton and the Black Panthers.
It couldn't be a crazy vigilanti (a person who carries out extralegal punishment in defiance of the legal law) who carried a gun in a neighborhood watch patrol, could it. :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 10:38:35 AM
Olias, I don't either and have stated so from the beginning. It has been the MEDIA that is guilty of many, many wrong doings.
The media only gives us what
we want. To them it's $$$$$
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 10:49:26 AM
I want the truth to come out....but, the real story from this is how the Media made a mountain out of a mole hill.
Mountain out of a mole hill, a kid killed coming back to where his father was, from the local store, eating his Skittles drinking a soft drink. In the rain with his hoodie up, talking to his girl friend on a cell phone, just doing nothing but what a kid does.
And this crazy armed with a 9mm gun vigilanti come out of nowhere attacks him, he has a right to defend himself, skinned knuckles. No, no it can't be the vigilanti armed with a automatic pistol that kills him. It's got to be the drive-by media.
I am glad they made a issue out of it. This crazy was going to get away with his crime. We will see what happens, if he, the vigilanti get away with this, it will be a crime. :trustme:
Quote from: Olias on May 17, 2012, 10:57:10 AM
The media only gives us what we want. To them it's $$$$$
yep! no arguement there. It really sucks too!
a perfect example of how propaganda works...
Quote
Mountain out of a mole hill, a kid killed coming back to where his father
was, from the local store, eating his Skittles drinking a soft drink. In the
rain with his hoodie up, talking to his girl friend on a cell phone, just doing
nothing but what a kid does.
And this crazy armed with a 9mm gun
vigilanti come out of nowhere attacks him, he has a right to defend himself,
skinned knuckles. No, no it can't be the vigilanti armed with a automatic
pistol that kills him. It's got to be the drive-by media.
I am glad
they made a issue out of it. This crazy was going to get away with his crime.
We will see what happens, if he, the vigilanti get away with this, it will be a
crime.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
yep! no arguement there. It really sucks too!
Yep again, Republican know a lot about money $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and how it can buy congressmen and the Supreme Court and that really sucks too. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 11:15:57 AM
a perfect example of how propaganda works...
Despite your ilk's repeated attempts to convince everyone that it should be legal to kill black teenagers if you think they look shady, any scenario that doesn't have Zimmerman as the initial aggressor in this confrontation simply doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 17, 2012, 11:32:51 AM
Despite your ilk's repeated attempts to convince everyone that it should be legal to kill black teenagers if you think they look shady, any scenario that doesn't have Zimmerman as the initial aggressor in this confrontation simply doesn't make sense.
Had it not been for NBC falsifying their reports, or how the media intentionally made trayvon look like a sweet teenager or how the deliberatly made Zimmerman look like a big thug...maybe this would have never been the story it is.
And you are still using propaganda say YOUR ILK WANTS BLACK KIDS KILLED...that is just MORE propaganda. Trying to persuade others into thinking that the truth does not mattter.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 11:37:44 AM
Had it not been for NBC falsifying their reports
Whoa, Dude! They did NOT falsify their reports. All they did was edit the 911 tape. And EVERYONE is guilty of creative editing.
Quote from: Olias on May 17, 2012, 11:42:53 AM
Whoa, Dude! They did NOT falsify their reports. All they did was edit the 911 tape. And EVERYONE is guilty of creative editing.
Hold on Big Guy, you can't say that everyone does it. You won't find any of that on Fox News. :wink: :smile:
"Editing" is what got Brietbart (sic) in trouble, and when it is done so in order to slant the material it is deceitful; especially when it imposes severe consequences upon another.
At the end of the day though, what real impact has NBC's employee's misdeeds imposed upon the situation?
A child is still dead at the hand of an overzealous adult who should have known better.
And I will say this much, having had several deviated septum's over the course of my years; there is no way that Zimmie had a broken nose from what I have seen. That video of him being taken into the police station post incident is fairly damning in that regard.
Every single time my nose has been broken, (and the noses of others I have witnessed being broken), have resulted in severe bleeding from the nostrils.
Moreover, had the authorities exercised due diligence in this case, any injuries he may or may not have incurred would have been clearly documented and proper medical care administered.
The fact that Zimmie waited to see his family doctor injects reasonable doubt surrounding his version of the incident. And I have dealt with enough doctors within my professional career to know that, while it is shameful to say, a doctor can be persuaded to provide a medical opinion to support anything you would like them to.
The media is guilty of sensationalism surrounding every aspect of what it considers "news". I consider most media venues as nothing more than another drama series whose singular purpose is to attract viewers/readers to support their corporate sponsors.
And if you think about what happened that night at a very high level, putting yourself in Martin's place, how would you react if you were walking back home from the store, not bothering anyone, and some guy gets out of a car and starts asking you questions; showing you no badge or other identification indicating he is an officer of the law?
I've had occasion to know for a fact how I would react. While snagging for salmon in one of Chicago's harbors, my companion and I decided to try another venue and began walking back to the truck. Two guys were coming toward us and one of them had a stiletto blade and stepped in front of us demanding identification, etc. They were both dressed like we were, in jeans and t-shirts with jackets on.
The whole time this guy is pushing the button on the knife and moving the blade in and out of its case.
We kept walking , and I had my 7 foot, heavy action rod in my right hand with a very large treble hook hanging from the end of the line. It wasn't until we saw the squad car that we realized these two thugs were Game Wardens. And both my friend and I were ready to use our rods as weapons if they continued to harass us. At no time did they say they were law enforcement. They just demanded identification. . .
So . . .
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2012, 12:03:17 PM
A child is still dead at the hand of an overzealous adult who should have known better.
Yep, and the same people who continually claim they aren't racists have been trying to make the victim the guiltay party since day one. Very telling, IMO.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 17, 2012, 02:33:19 PM
Yep, and the same people who continually claim they aren't racists have been trying to make the victim the guiltay party since day one. Very telling, IMO.
Better think about that one EX. Zimmerman is of mixed blood, part Latino, part white, and part black.
Now when do we start discussing the two white reporters who were attacked by the black gang in Norfolk, Va? You did hear about that didn't you?
I'm not saying he is not guilty of manslaughter, but I do not think he is guilty of Murder.
I am tired of the REAL racist putting a bounty on this guy and those who have already convicted him of murder.
Quote from: me on May 17, 2012, 03:08:13 PM
Better think about that one EX. Zimmerman is of mixed blood, part Latino, part white, and part black.
Zimmerman is primarily of white hispanic background (as opposed to brown or black hispanic); Martin was clearly black.
QuoteNow when do we start discussing the two white reporters who were attacked by the black gang in Norfolk, Va? You did hear about that didn't you?
No, and it has nothing to do with this discussion (but does underscore my point, thank you).
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2012, 12:03:17 PM
"Editing" is what got Brietbart (sic) in trouble, and when it is done so in order to slant the material it is deceitful; especially when it imposes severe consequences upon another.
At the end of the day though, what real impact has NBC's employee's misdeeds imposed upon the situation?
A child is still dead at the hand of an overzealous adult who should have known better.
And I will say this much, having had several deviated septum's over the course of my years; there is no way that Zimmie had a broken nose from what I have seen. That video of him being taken into the police station post incident is fairly damning in that regard.
Every single time my nose has been broken, (and the noses of others I have witnessed being broken), have resulted in severe bleeding from the nostrils.
Moreover, had the authorities exercised due diligence in this case, any injuries he may or may not have incurred would have been clearly documented and proper medical care administered.
The fact that Zimmie waited to see his family doctor injects reasonable doubt surrounding his version of the incident. And I have dealt with enough doctors within my professional career to know that, while it is shameful to say, a doctor can be persuaded to provide a medical opinion to support anything you would like them to.
The media is guilty of sensationalism surrounding every aspect of what it considers "news". I consider most media venues as nothing more than another drama series whose singular purpose is to attract viewers/readers to support their corporate sponsors.
And if you think about what happened that night at a very high level, putting yourself in Martin's place, how would you react if you were walking back home from the store, not bothering anyone, and some guy gets out of a car and starts asking you questions; showing you no badge or other identification indicating he is an officer of the law?
I've had occasion to know for a fact how I would react. While snagging for salmon in one of Chicago's harbors, my companion and I decided to try another venue and began walking back to the truck. Two guys were coming toward us and one of them had a stiletto blade and stepped in front of us demanding identification, etc. They were both dressed like we were, in jeans and t-shirts with jackets on.
The whole time this guy is pushing the button on the knife and moving the blade in and out of its case.
We kept walking , and I had my 7 foot, heavy action rod in my right hand with a very large treble hook hanging from the end of the line. It wasn't until we saw the squad car that we realized these two thugs were Game Wardens. And both my friend and I were ready to use our rods as weapons if they continued to harass us. At no time did they say they were law enforcement. They just demanded identification. . .
So . . .
I know about deviated septum. When I had mind done the doctor packed my nose harder than Henry ever packed ice cream at Burt T. Owens.
Game wardens. When I snagged salmon at Bering Springs Michigan. This old man stood there all dressed up in a plaid shirt, new waders and new rod and reel. A small rod and reel for snagging salmon? Every now a then he would make a halfassed cast and watching everybody.
A guy snagged a trout and started to walk off with it. You got it, the asshole was a game warden. He flashed his badge and they walked of together. The trout was gut hooked and would have died if it was returned to the river. But that don't matter to a damn cop. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on May 17, 2012, 04:30:06 PM
I know about deviated septum. When I had mind done the doctor packed my nose harder than Henry ever packed ice cream at Burt T. Owens.
Hey Troll, I could pack some serious Blue Moon Ice Cream!!!! As a matter of fact I was at one time a, two-time Blue Moon Ice Cream Packer Award winner!!!
You made me reminince about some good time!! Bert T's was the best!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 04:33:59 PM
Hey Troll, I could pack some serious Blue Moon Ice Cream!!!! As a matter of fact I was at one time a, two-time Blue Moon Ice Cream Packer Award winner!!!
You made me reminince about some good time!! Bert T's was the best!
Yes Sir, they had the best hand packed ice cream in the world as far I was concerned. :biggrin: :music1: Oh Happy Days :music1:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 17, 2012, 04:33:59 PM
Hey Troll, I could pack some serious Blue Moon Ice Cream!!!! As a matter of fact I was at one time a, two-time Blue Moon Ice Cream Packer Award winner!!!
You made me reminince about some good time!Bert T's was the best!
as long as you are speaking of pendleton and morton!
i agree!
Quote from: incognito on May 17, 2012, 04:40:01 PM
as long as you are speaking of pendleton and morton!
i agree!
Naw, I was on Columbus Ave....dipped ice cream, made some of the best Roast Beef Sandwiches in the world there....
Don, I bet we crossed paths before, I used to work a Stricklers Hardware back in the late 70's and early 80's.
Trevon Martin is dead. Zimmerman is hiding from crazy people. No matter who did what, it is awfully sad that two families are ruined by one tragedy. I sure wish sometimes that God had made us with a do over button. I would sure push it for that one! I admit that I get all my news on the zone. That makes me Liberally Conservative with a streak of independence. No wonder you guys shake your heads at me...
Quote from: damfast on May 17, 2012, 05:02:25 PM
Trevon Martin is dead. Zimmerman is hiding from crazy people. No matter who did what, it is awfully sad that two families are ruined by one tragedy. I sure wish sometimes that God had made us with a do over button. I would sure push it for that one! I admit that I get all my news on the zone. That makes me Liberally Conservative with a streak of independence. No wonder you guys shake your heads at me...
you are my favorite independent, liberal conservative in the world!!!
This statement accurately describes my feelings about this case: "...police described what happened as 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement'..." I agree with Henry that manslaughter is a more fitting charge but Zimmerman precipitated the situation in which Martin was killed and is therefore responsible for his death.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 18, 2012, 08:51:05 AM
This statement accurately describes my feelings about this case: "...police described what happened as 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement'..." I agree with Henry that manslaughter is a more fitting charge but Zimmerman precipitated the situation in which Martin was killed and is therefore responsible for his death.
I totally agree. I hope that you guys have misunderstood my comments about this over the last couple of days. I am just aware that Martin was no angel himself according to what I have heard in the media outlet$$$$.
But I also understand that is no excuse for Zimmerman to commit murder.
I agree also.
Quote from: Olias on May 18, 2012, 09:14:24 AM
But I also understand that is no excuse for Zimmerman to commit murder.
In my opinion, based upon evidence as I have read them.....I do not beleive Zimmerman commited murder. I think he killed Martin in self-defence. But, like Ex stated, had he stayed in his vehicle as told by the police, Martin would be alive today. I don't believe that Zimmerman actually broke any laws, but did not act wisely, and was forced to do something that could have been prevented. A young man died. Zimmerman is going to have that hanging over his head for the rest of his life.
Some of the evidence pictures (49 of them to be exact) can be found at this link:
Orlando Sentinel Evidence Pictures (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-pictures-evidence-photos-released-in-the-shooting-death-of-trayvon-martin-20120517,0,6090406.photogallery)
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 01:40:23 PM
Some of the evidence pictures (49 of them to be exact) can be found at this link:
Orlando Sentinel Evidence Pictures (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-pictures-evidence-photos-released-in-the-shooting-death-of-trayvon-martin-20120517,0,6090406.photogallery)
Is Zimmerman claiming that Martin accosted him at his vehicle and then drug him halfway up the courtyard before starting to assault him?
Quote from: Exterminator on May 18, 2012, 02:19:13 PM
Is Zimmerman claiming that Martin accosted him at his vehicle and then drug him halfway up the courtyard before starting to assault him?
I'm not sure what the exact claim was, but I do recall him stating that Martin accosted him while he was trying to return to the vehicle. But as you can see from the evidence photos, the shooting clearly didn't take place anywhere near a parking lot where Zimmerman's vehicle would have been parked.
There's also a PDF of the evidence against him located here:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-evidence-file-george-zimmermann-051812,0,1457800.acrobat
I can't get it to open. It says the document is corrupt. Maybe you can try and see if you can open it. If you can, let me know.
^^ Correction, it says the file is damaged and can't be repaired.
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 02:21:56 PM
I'm not sure what the exact claim was, but I do recall him stating that Martin accosted him while he was trying to return to the vehicle. But as you can see from the evidence photos, the shooting clearly didn't take place anywhere near a parking lot where Zimmerman's vehicle would have been parked.
Exactly the point of my (somewhat rhetorical) question. I think what happened here is pretty obvious.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 18, 2012, 02:27:22 PM
Exactly the point of my (somewhat rhetorical) question. I think what happened here is pretty obvious.
See if you can get that PDF file above to open. I'd like to see what's in there, but it won't open for me and I've tried it on two different computers now.
Yes, I got an error but it opened.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 18, 2012, 02:40:32 PM
Yes, I got an error but it opened.
Well if you see anything interesting in there, let me know. I can't get it to open at all. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
See if you can get that PDF file above to open. I'd like to see what's in there, but it won't open for me and I've tried it on two different computers now.
The following is from today's Washington Post. I have an account with them so it's easy to pull stuff up:
Trayvon Martin documents reveal new details in shootingBy Sari Horwitz and Stephanie McCrummen, Published: May 17, 2012
Neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin from a very close range, according to documents a Florida prosecutor released Thursday that indicate a hand-to-hand struggle occurred before the teenager was killed.
A lab report, based on an examination of the two sweatshirts Martin was wearing, found holes and gunshot residue consistent with a "contact shot," meaning the gun was pressed against Martin's chest. An autopsy report said that the gunshot wound indicated he was shot from an "intermediate range," which experts say is between one and 18 inches away.
The reports, among nearly 200 pages of newly released information, add to the fragmented portrait of what happened the night of Feb. 26 in Sanford, Fla., when Zimmerman shot the unarmed black 17-year-old, provoking nationwide debates over racial profiling and self-defense laws.
It is unclear how the new documents might bolster or undermine the state's case against Zimmerman, who has a Peruvian mother and a white father.
The information includes laboratory reports that show Martin's blood had traces of THC, a chemical that is found in marijuana. Toxicology reports also found blood under Martin's fingernails, Zimmerman's blood on Martin's sweatshirt and Martin's blood on Zimmerman's red jacket.
Martin's autopsy report shows that he had a small abrasion on his left ring finger, which might support Zimmerman's account that Martin was punching him or the idea that Martin was fighting for his life. A photo of Zimmerman shows he had a bloody nose on the night of the clash; a paramedic reported that he had a one-inch laceration on his head and a forehead abrasion. The injuries, said the paramedic, produced "minor bleeding."
A report from the Sanford police's lead investigator, Christopher Serino, states that he thought there was probable cause to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter.
The new documents include crime-scene photographs, interviews with witnesses and medical reports, and provide the most detailed look yet at the evidence that prosecutors are using to build their case against Zimmerman, who was charged last month with second-degree murder.
He has said that Martin attacked him and that he shot the unarmed teenager in self-defense. Martin was walking home to the house where he was staying inside the gated Retreat at Twin Lakes — where Zimmerman also lived — when the incident occurred. Prosecutors allege that Zimmerman followed him and provoked a confrontation.
The bullet from Zimmerman's 9mm Kel Tec semiautomatic entered Martin's body on the left side of his chest, struck his heart and one of his lungs, and remained in his body, according to medical reports.
The documents include information that points to what some have characterized as a sloppy and incomplete police investigation, which initially resulted in no charges being filed. That sparked rallies across the county calling for Zimmerman's arrest.
"It's a mess," said a state investigator in one interview in the documents, explaining that he was working on the case apart from the Sanford Police Department.
Witness accounts indicate that in some cases, officers seemed to have rushed to judgment about one of the most critical questions in the case: who was screaming in the last seconds before the gunshot rang out.
One distraught witness, said she who regretted not helping the person yelling outside her window, said in her handwritten statement that an investigator tried to comfort her by saying that the cries for help "were not the person who died."
A police report also concluded that the voice screaming in the background of a recorded 911 call placed by a resident was Zimmerman, "who was apparently yelling for help as he was being battered by Trayvon Martin."
But an FBI audio analysis of that crucial call could not determine whether it was Martin or Zimmerman who was screaming, because of the poor quality of the recording and the "extreme emotional state" of the person screaming, an FBI report said.
Also included in the reports is an account of a meeting between an investigator and Tracy Martin two days after his son was shot. The investigator played the 911 call to Martin and asked him whether the voice calling for help was his son's.
"Mr. Martin, clearly emotionally impacted by the recording, quietly responded no," the report said.
But in the days and weeks after the shooting, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, the teenager's mother, said they had no doubt that the screams were those of their son. In an interview with an investigator, Zimmerman's father said, "That is absolutely, positively George Zimmerman yelling for help."
The documents include new details about what witnesses said they heard and saw that dark, rainy night outside their townhouse windows. One witness told police that he heard someone saying, "I've got a gun. I've got a gun."
Another said she heard "arguing" coming from the walkway behind her residence. Yet another woman said she looked out her sliding glass door and saw "two men chasing each other, a fistfight between the two men" and then heard the gunshot, according to the police report.
The documents were released by special prosecutor Angela B. Corey, who was appointed by Gov. Rick Scott (R) to investigate the case after a clamor arose over the lack of charges in the weeks after the shooting.
Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, received the documents Monday as part of the discovery phase of the case.
"Please remember and understand that it is inappropriate for us to comment on particular pieces of evidence," the lawyer said in a statement posted to the Web site he set up for Zimmerman.
Amid the clinical findings and the formal police reports are more personal inventories, artifacts of the two lives that intersected that night: Zimmerman's size 38Buffalo Jeans and brown boots; Martin's black cellphone with a heart decal; $40.15 found in Martin's pocket.
Staff researcher Julie Tate contributed to this report.
© The Washington Post Company
www.washingtonpost.com
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
See if you can get that PDF file above to open. I'd like to see what's in there, but it won't open for me and I've tried it on two different computers now.
I was able to open it.
I think foxnews.com has it.
Zimmermans interview is blacked out.
It has the witness reports in it.
The autopsy report is in it.
it is kind of interesting to read the witness reports.
DAMN!! WTH is wrong with my computer then?? :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 02:48:11 PM
DAMN!! WTH is wrong with my computer then?? :mad:
do you have the lates adobe acrobat update?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 18, 2012, 02:50:51 PM
do you have the lates adobe acrobat update?
I'm not sure, but I'm on my girlfriend's computer right now and there will be hell to pay if I upgrade it and she doesn't want me to. :biggrin:
I'll whip out the MacBook later and see if that opens it. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 02:52:53 PM
I'm not sure, but I'm on my girlfriend's computer right now and there will be hell to pay if I upgrade it and she doesn't want me to. :biggrin:
I'll whip out the MacBook later and see if that opens it. :yes:
yeah, you gotta choose your battles....that one is probably not worth it.... ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 18, 2012, 02:54:41 PM
yeah, you gotta choose your battles....that one is probably not worth it.... ;D
Exactly. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 02:24:20 PM
There's also a PDF of the evidence against him located here:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-evidence-file-george-zimmermann-051812,0,1457800.acrobat
I can't get it to open. It says the document is corrupt. Maybe you can try and see if you can open it. If you can, let me know.
We are sorry, but the server is temporarily unavailable. Please try back later.
Quote from: me on May 18, 2012, 09:32:42 PM
We are sorry, but the server is temporarily unavailable. Please try back later.
DAMN!! AGAIN!! It's just not meant for me to see that PDF file. I whipped out the MacBook and tried to view it and I'm getting the exact same error as you got. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 11:54:21 PM
DAMN!! AGAIN!! It's just not meant for me to see that PDF file. I whipped out the MacBook and tried to view it and I'm getting the exact same error as you got. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Must have gotten too many hits or something.
I've brought it up twice on my pc.
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 19, 2012, 07:47:16 AM
I've brought it up twice on my pc.
Hum, I'm still getting the same message.
Yesterday I was able to pull up some copies of Sanford Police Department intake documents, but they were so heavily redacted it wasn't worth the effort. The next time I tried I was told I needed Adobe Reader 9, and the last time got an error message.
I got it to pull up late last night. The reports from the PD as well as the narratives are, as some said earlier, heavily redacted and virtually useless. But they do provide some information from the authorities perspective surrounding the initial crime scene.
Interestingly, I found a few discrepancies within the first arriving officers reports, surrounding clothing descriptions etc.
Also, it took quite awhile for the paramedics to arrive it seems, and awhile to get cpr going on the victim thanks to having to control Zimmy first due to officer safety.
Same "server temporarily unavailable" message again just now! :mad: :mad:
You aren't missing much, except the disappointment that will ensue once you do get into it!
On another note, I am surprised that I have not read any of the Zim Squad railing over the fact that Martin was kicked out of school over weed several weeks prior to being murdered, and that his autopsy revealed 1.5 or so nano grams per mL of THC in his blood at the time of his murder.
I expect at some point there will be a faction of morons painting this poor murdered kid as an addict just because he was smoking a little weed. . . :rolleyes:
Bond revoked because he and his wife "lied to the court ".
That'll put a nice dent in his credibility.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 19, 2012, 04:54:39 PM
You aren't missing much, except the disappointment that will ensue once you do get into it!
On another note, I am surprised that I have not read any of the Zim Squad railing over the fact that Martin was kicked out of school over weed several weeks prior to being murdered, and that his autopsy revealed 1.5 or so nano grams per mL of THC in his blood at the time of his murder.
I expect at some point there will be a faction of morons painting this poor murdered kid as an addict just because he was smoking a little weed. . . :rolleyes:
THC doesn't make you violent, it smoothes you out and give you the munchies. Therefore the Skittles and coke. If he had been on Meth Zimmerman would have been the one to die. :yes: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on June 01, 2012, 08:02:51 PM
THC doesn't make you violent, it smoothes you out and give you the munchies. Therefore the Skittles and coke. If he had been on Meth Zimmerman would have been the one to die. :yes: :yes:
Who said he was on meth? don't start making crap up...
all I gotta say is Martin was NOT the sweet kid portrayed in the first pictures that the media used.....I'm not saying he was bad kid either.
I don't know what kind of kid he was...but he DID get kicked out of school and he DID cuss like a sailor on some video's.......but that does not make him bad, and especially it does not mean that it justifies Zimmerman killing him.
We just need to wait and listen to all the facts.....IF Zim is guilty of anything, I think it is manslaughter....if so, then he needs to be punished accordingly.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 01, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
Who said he was on meth? don't start making crap up...
all I gotta say is Martin was NOT the sweet kid portrayed in the first pictures that the media used.....I'm not saying he was bad kid either.
I don't know what kind of kid he was...but he DID get kicked out of school and he DID cuss like a sailor on some video's.......but that does not make him bad, and especially it does not mean that it justifies Zimmerman killing him.
We just need to wait and listen to all the facts.....IF Zim is guilty of anything, I think it is manslaughter....if so, then he needs to be punished accordingly.
What I am glad about is with Zimmerman's past record, his lies and his killing of an unarmed kid, the rope around his neck is getting tighter and tighter. :hanged: :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on June 01, 2012, 10:15:21 PM
What I am glad about is with Zimmerman's past record, his lies and his killing of an unarmed kid, the rope around his neck is getting tighter and tighter. :hanged: :yes: :biggrin:
who said he was on meth?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 01, 2012, 10:18:02 PM
who said he was on meth?
For your god sake, READ. I said that "IF" Trayvon was of METH he would have killed Zimmerman. Let me say it again very plainly and clearly, I did not say that Trayvon was on METH. Read my statement again. :rolleyes: You're beginning to sound like a jerk. :yes: :yes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on June 01, 2012, 10:30:15 PM
For your god sake, READ. I said that "IF" Trayvon was of METH he would have killed Zimmerman. Let me say it again very plainly and clearly, I did not say that Trayvon was on METH. Read my statement again. :rolleyes: You're beginning to sound like a jerk. :yes: :yes: :rolleyes:
well that was a stupid thing to say "if he was on meth"....wtf is the mater with you old man.........dementia kickin in?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 01, 2012, 10:53:39 PM
well that was a stupid thing to say "if he was on meth"....wtf is the mater with you old man.........dementia kickin in?
For a person who has lost his mind and common sense. What I said was to try to tell someone who knows nothing about science. The difference between the effects of Pot vs Meth.
You the great person "whatever" who is always saying, "But, if". Just like saying, But, If Tryvon was on Meth. :doh: :bliss: :bliss: But, If. :biggrin: It doesn't make much sense, but neither do you. :wink: :smile:
Zimmerman is back in jail, this time with no chance of bail, according to the morning news. Seems the judge didn't appreciate being lied to about his finances. The cops figured that out from monitoring his conversations with his wife while he was in jail.
Quote from: libby on June 02, 2012, 09:57:16 AM
Zimmerman is back in jail, this time with no chance of bail, according to the morning news. Seems the judge didn't appreciate being lied to about his finances. The cops figured that out from monitoring his conversations with his wife while he was in jail.
Zimmerman's story from day one was a well fabricated lie from start to the end. He's a liar and a murderer. He profiled that kid and he shot him dead for no real reason, but he was hung out on the idea that he had a gun and could do anything. The coward bastard.
Send him up, sue him, his family and the housing development and then lock him up. :yes: :yes: :rant:
Zimmerman's credibility is key in the case, as it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him. All the objective evidence suggests that he pursued and shot Trayvon Martin in the heart.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 04, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
Zimmerman's credibility is key in the case, as it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him. All the objective evidence suggests that he pursued and shot Trayvon Martin in the heart.
:nocomment: You said it all. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 04, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
Zimmerman's credibility is key in the case, as it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him. All the objective evidence suggests that he pursued and shot Trayvon Martin in the heart.
according to his lawyer.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 07:48:40 AM
according to his lawyer.
You're still defending him. Huh? :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on June 05, 2012, 08:07:56 AM
You're still defending him. Huh? :rolleyes:
Nope, just tired of everybody accussing him as a murderer before they have ALL the evidence.......
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 08:13:01 AM
Nope, just tired of everybody accussing him as a murderer before they have ALL the evidence.......
If that happened here in Indiana, right here in Anderson. And you walked out of your house with your 9MM and shot an unarmed guy walking down a public road at night in the heart. You think you would get off by saying, "I seen him walking down the road and I confronted him in the dark and he attacked me, therefore I get to shoot him to death." Fat chance Bunky. :wink: :rolleyes: You started it, you murdered him because you didn't have a brain in your head. Case closed. :hanged:
Let's try it this way troll,
Your neighborhood has had several break-ins over the last several months. You and your neighbors decide to start a crime watch. You take on the responsiblility of patroling the neighborhood. You have already led the police to one burglary attempt who was caught and apprehended.
One night you see someone walking aimlessly through backstreets and across yards in the rain. You decide to get a closer look. You call the police and report it. You walk back to your car and cross paths with this person. You exchange words, it gets out of hand. He attacks you hits you in the nose, knocks you down, and begins to beat your head on the sidewalk.
Do you just go along with it because you should not have talked to this person in the first place? You deserve to have you head busted open?
Look, I don't know WHAT happened..........this is Zimmermans story, and he may be lying through his teeth or he might be telling the truth.
What I DO know is, this was not handled properly, and because of it all, Zimmermans Mom and Dad had to flee their home, his wife lost her job, ALL because this got out of hand.
We got to find out for certain, if Zim was being vigilante and profiling and harassing an unarmed teen? Or was he just being a concerned citizen trying to prevent crime in his community?
Like I stated on here several times, at the worst, MY OPINION, (based upon heresay) he may be guilty of manslaughter. Had he avoided this mess, a kid would be alive. But, we don't know the full story.
I also KNOW for a fact, that the media immediatly jumped the gun and portrayed Martin as a sweet, innocent 15 year old looking kid, when in fact the picture the used was NOT recent, and Martin has a history of not being a sweet kid.
Just want the truth to come out and justice be served ... properly.
am I a prick for wanting that?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 09:46:40 AM
. . .
Look, I don't know WHAT happened..........this is Zimmermans story, and he may be lying through his teeth or he might be telling the truth.
. . .
And since this is only his version of the events, his credibility is of paramount importance to his future. Despite that he lies to the court surrounding his finances, submits his passport as ordered but not both of them, and has had his bail revoked.
Not the way to bolster your credibility to say the least. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 07:48:40 AM
according to his lawyer.
No. . . according to the prosecutor. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 09:46:40 AM
Let's try it this way troll,
Your neighborhood has had several break-ins over the last several months. You and your neighbors decide to start a crime watch. You take on the responsiblility of patroling the neighborhood. You have already led the police to one burglary attempt who was caught and apprehended.
One night you see someone walking aimlessly through backstreets and across yards in the rain. You decide to get a closer look. You call the police and report it. You walk back to your car and cross paths with this person. You exchange words, it gets out of hand. He attacks you hits you in the nose, knocks you down, and begins to beat your head on the sidewalk.
Do you just go along with it because you should not have talked to this person in the first place? You deserve to have you head busted open?
Look, I don't know WHAT happened..........this is Zimmermans story, and he may be lying through his teeth or he might be telling the truth.
What I DO know is, this was not handled properly, and because of it all, Zimmermans Mom and Dad had to flee their home, his wife lost her job, ALL because this got out of hand.
We got to find out for certain, if Zim was being vigilante and profiling and harassing an unarmed teen? Or was he just being a concerned citizen trying to prevent crime in his community?
Like I stated on here several times, at the worst, MY OPINION, (based upon heresay) he may be guilty of manslaughter. Had he avoided this mess, a kid would be alive. But, we don't know the full story.
I also KNOW for a fact, that the media immediatly jumped the gun and portrayed Martin as a sweet, innocent 15 year old looking kid, when in fact the picture the used was NOT recent, and Martin has a history of not being a sweet kid.
Just want the truth to come out and justice be served ... properly.
am I a prick for wanting that?
No, but, if you've got a brain in your skull, you take a different route.
First, you OBSERVE ONLY. You DO NOT CARRY A WEAPON. You are NOT a police officer; you are NOT a vigilante; you are NOT in a position where you are defending your home against an intruder who may harm you or your family. You are only sure of one thing: there is a person unfamiliar TO YOU who is walking in the neighborhood.
Second, YOU STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM AND CALL THE POLICE. THEN GO AWAY FROM HIM, AVOID CONFRONTATION AT ALL COSTS, AND LET THE POLICE HANDLE IT. If you are as afraid of this suspicious person as you say you are, what the hell are you doing going anywhere near him? Walk in the opposite direction.
Third, the fact that you have a carry permit and you have a weapon does not constitute a 007 license to kill, even in a fist fight (if, in fact, that ever occurred), and it certainly does not create an invisible shield around you that will protect you from harm. If this person was a burglar and had the moxie to enter occupied homes to steal, and was carrying a weapon himself, I submit that he would make you into dog meat much faster than you can react. LESSON: STAT THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO WALK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. No property that he might steal is worth your life......is it?
Finally, if you haven't thought through a plan of action and plan b, and plan c, etc., then don't go out at night with a gun looking for trouble:
OBSERVE AND REPORT ONLY!!!!!
DO NOT CONFRONT!!!!
Obviously, the many mistakes you can make will haunt you for the rest of your life, simply because you went out to show those bastards they can't come to your neighborhood and get away with crime.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 09:54:12 AM
No. . . according to the prosecutor. . .
Crump, the Martin family attorney, said Monday that "if attorney O'Mara files the motion, then the stage is set for George Zimmerman and his wife to have to take the witness stand and try to explain what the state attorney said were blatant lies to the court, thus exposing them further to credibility issues."
Zimmerman's credibility, he said, is key in the case, as
"it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him. All the objective evidence suggests that he pursued and shot Trayvon Martin in the heart."http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/)
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 05, 2012, 10:14:10 AM
No, but, if you've got a brain in your skull, you take a different route.
First, you OBSERVE ONLY. You DO NOT CARRY A WEAPON. You are NOT a police officer; you are NOT a vigilante; you are NOT in a position where you are defending your home against an intruder who may harm you or your family. You are only sure of one thing: there is a person unfamiliar TO YOU who is walking in the neighborhood.
Second, YOU STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM AND CALL THE POLICE. THEN GO AWAY FROM HIM, AVOID CONFRONTATION AT ALL COSTS, AND LET THE POLICE HANDLE IT. If you are as afraid of this suspicious person as you say you are, what the hell are you doing going anywhere near him? Walk in the opposite direction.
Third, the fact that you have a carry permit and you have a weapon does not constitute a 007 license to kill, even in a fist fight (if, in fact, that ever occurred), and it certainly does not create an invisible shield around you that will protect you from harm. If this person was a burglar and had the moxie to enter occupied homes to steal, and was carrying a weapon himself, I submit that he would make you into dog meat much faster than you can react. LESSON: STAT THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO WALK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. No property that he might steal is worth your life......is it?
Finally, if you haven't thought through a plan of action and plan b, and plan c, etc., then don't go out at night with a gun looking for trouble:
OBSERVE AND REPORT ONLY!!!!!
DO NOT CONFRONT!!!!
Obviously, the many mistakes you can make will haunt you for the rest of your life, simply because you went out to show those bastards they can't come to your neighborhood and get away with crime.
I don't argue that at all..........I agree, it was handled wrong. But, Zimmerman may not have broke any laws. So, he may only be guilty of manslaughter. Based upon what we know, I do not believe he hunted martin down like a dog and shot him in cold blood.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 10:18:57 AM
I don't argue that at all..........I agree, it was handled wrong. But, Zimmerman may not have broke any laws. So, he may only be guilty of manslaughter. Based upon what we know, I do not believe he hunted martin down like a dog and shot him in cold blood.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 10:16:11 AM
Crump, the Martin family attorney, said Monday that "if attorney O'Mara files the motion, then the stage is set for George Zimmerman and his wife to have to take the witness stand and try to explain what the state attorney said were blatant lies to the court, thus exposing them further to credibility issues."
Zimmerman's credibility, he said, is key in the case, as "it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him. All the objective evidence suggests that he pursued and shot Trayvon Martin in the heart."
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/ (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/)
I stand corrected. . . (But at least I finally got you to do a modicum of research).
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 10:19:40 AM
I stand corrected. . . (But at least I finally got you to do a modicum of research).
and at least I got you to admit you was wrong on SOMETHING.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 10:18:57 AM
I don't argue that at all..........I agree, it was handled wrong. But, Zimmerman may not have broke any laws. So, he may only be guilty of manslaughter. Based upon what we know, I do not believe he hunted martin down like a dog and shot him in cold blood.
Henry, if he is guilty of manslaughter, he HAS broken a law. The degree of homicide is yet to be determined.
"....only guilty of manslaughter"?
Wow. That is one huge "only."
I wouldn't trivialize it like that.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 10:18:57 AM
I don't argue that at all..........I agree, it was handled wrong. But, Zimmerman may not have broke any laws. So, he may only be guilty of manslaughter. Based upon what we know, I do not believe he hunted martin down like a dog and shot him in cold blood.
Seriously? So it is okay to disregard a direct instruction from the police? That at minimum is a chargeable offense.
Moreover, he carried a weapon against the HOA NW policies, and also confronted an individual who was doing nothing more than walking to the home in which he had been residing for a period of time prior to Zimmy getting all hot and bothered that evening.
On top of all this, he lies to court and initiates actions that clearly are deceitful and then expects people to actually believe his version of the events that transpired that evening?
The 911 tapes and witness testimony in court will carry more weight than his credibility does now. He has virtually assured his fate at the hands of the jurors that will hear the case; by his own hand and actions.
I do not see a level of "reasonable doubt" being generated on Zimmy's part when this case comes to court. Sure, none of us has heard/read the entire case as of this time. But this guy's actions are not indicative of an individual who is regretful of his actions and being truthful and forthright either. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
and at least I got you to admit you was wrong on SOMETHING.
Whatta guy! :rolleyes:
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 05, 2012, 10:14:10 AM
No, but, if you've got a brain in your skull, you take a different route.
First, you OBSERVE ONLY. You DO NOT CARRY A WEAPON. You are NOT a police officer; you are NOT a vigilante; you are NOT in a position where you are defending your home against an intruder who may harm you or your family. You are only sure of one thing: there is a person unfamiliar TO YOU who is walking in the neighborhood.
Second, YOU STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM AND CALL THE POLICE. THEN GO AWAY FROM HIM, AVOID CONFRONTATION AT ALL COSTS, AND LET THE POLICE HANDLE IT. If you are as afraid of this suspicious person as you say you are, what the hell are you doing going anywhere near him? Walk in the opposite direction.
Third, the fact that you have a carry permit and you have a weapon does not constitute a 007 license to kill, even in a fist fight (if, in fact, that ever occurred), and it certainly does not create an invisible shield around you that will protect you from harm. If this person was a burglar and had the moxie to enter occupied homes to steal, and was carrying a weapon himself, I submit that he would make you into dog meat much faster than you can react. LESSON: STAT THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO WALK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. No property that he might steal is worth your life......is it?
Finally, if you haven't thought through a plan of action and plan b, and plan c, etc., then don't go out at night with a gun looking for trouble:
OBSERVE AND REPORT ONLY!!!!!
DO NOT CONFRONT!!!!
Obviously, the many mistakes you can make will haunt you for the rest of your life, simply because you went out to show those bastards they can't come to your neighborhood and get away with crime.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 10:32:38 AM
Whatta guy! :rolleyes:
Then quit patting yourself on the back that YOU was able to to make me do "modicum"of research....or claim I lack "critical thinking skills" ....
Talk about "Whatta guy!"
you are full of yourself...arent' you?
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 05, 2012, 10:25:13 AM
Henry, if he is guilty of manslaughter, he HAS broken a law. The degree of homicide is yet to be determined.
"....only guilty of manslaughter"?
Wow. That is one huge "only."
I wouldn't trivialize it like that.
ftw, I am not trying to trivalize it........NOR am I tring to sensationalize it. Like the media did.
You cannot deny the media has totally blown this case WAY overboard....they had Zim convicted and "wanted dead or alive" since the beginning.
I am not down playing that a kid was killed...that IS a tragedy.
Mr. Zimmerman's legal defense team has decided to delay filing a motion for bond. A hearing will not be scheduled for a couple of weeks, and we will file a the motion well in advance of the hearing.
http://gzlegalcase.com
^^ Looks like he's going to be sitting in jail for at least a couple of weeks.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 10:49:04 AM
Then quit patting yourself on the back that YOU were able to to make me do "modicum"of research....or claim I lack "critical thinking skills" ....
Talk about "Whatta guy!"
you are full of yourself...arent' you?
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You never carry grudges do you? :rolleyes:
I am not, as you say, full of myself inasmuch as calling bullshit when you spread it. And
that is what chaps your hide and it is that which is the root cause for the vitriol you direct toward others here prolifically.
Quote from: Locutus on June 05, 2012, 11:15:59 AM
^^ Looks like he's going to be sitting in jail for at least a couple of weeks.
Yup. And they will hold him in solitary if they know what is good for him. . . If they do not, I suspect he will be lucky to make it to the opening day of his trial alive. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 11:26:23 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
You never carry grudges do you? :rolleyes:
I am not, as you say, full of myself inasmuch as calling bullshit when you spread it. And that is what chaps your hide and it is that which is the root cause for the vitriol you direct toward others here prolifically.
I only carry a grudge when someone continues to make wise cracks on EVERY opinion I post....or to those who bash my Christian Faith on a personal level (even if they DO write it in Hebrew).... or to those who believes THEY are the only one who posses' "critical thinking skills", and if have a different a point of view, "I" am the one who lacks those skills.
So, I have decided to call Bullshit when I see it....I have NO grudges with anyone else on here...and to be honest, I don't have a grudge with you anymore....or at least I am trying ever so hard not to.
But when I get swung at, I swing back.....
Neener, neener, neener. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 11:59:03 AM
....I have NO grudges with anyone else on here...
Bullshit. . . and nothing but!
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 12:10:21 PM
Bullshit. . . and nothing but!
temper, temper...... :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 12:11:57 PM
temper, temper...... :no:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
Yup. And they will hold him in solitary if they know what is good for him. . . If they do not, I suspect he will be lucky to make it to the opening day of his trial alive. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 12:14:39 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 05, 2012, 11:14:09 AM
Mr. Zimmerman's legal defense team has decided to delay filing a motion for bond. A hearing will not be scheduled for a couple of weeks, and we will file a the motion well in advance of the hearing.
http://gzlegalcase.com
Quote from: Locutus on June 05, 2012, 11:15:59 AM
^^ Looks like he's going to be sitting in jail for at least a couple of weeks.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
Yup. And they will hold him in solitary if they know what is good for him. . . If they do not, I suspect he will be lucky to make it to the opening day of his trial alive. . .
:)
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
Yup. And they will hold him in solitary if they know what is good for him. . . If they do not, I suspect he will be lucky to make it to the opening day of his trial alive. . .
I suspect that the delay is so that his defense team can get all of the stories that are going to be told straight. The state clearly indicated to the judge that they want his wife brought in to explain her part in the lies as well. They're all going to have to be on the same page, lest ole' George has to chill his jets in jail right up until the time there's either a plea bargain or a trial.
I don't know if you watched the hearing or not (I did), but the judge was clearly pissed at being lied to, and said he was surprised that the state hasn't filed perjury charges against the wife. Those charges may very well be forthcoming at some point depending on what song she sings when she comes in for the new bail hearing.
Those financial lies may prove to be far more costly to Zimmerman than their actual monetary value.
Quote from: Locutus on June 05, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
I suspect that the delay is so that his defense team can get all of the stories that are going to be told straight. The state clearly indicated to the judge that they want his wife brought in to explain her part in the lies as well. They're all going to have to be on the same page, lest ole' George has to chill his jets in jail right up until the time there's either a plea bargain or a trial.
I don't know if you watched the hearing or not (I did), but the judge was clearly pissed at being lied to, and said he was surprised that the state hasn't filed perjury charges against the wife. Those charges may very well be forthcoming at some point depending on what song she sings when she comes in for the new bail hearing.
Those financial lies may prove to be far more costly to Zimmerman than their actual monetary value.
Just when you think this story is going to go away for a short while.....it takes a turn. I'm thinking a "lifetime" movie is underway.
Quote from: Locutus on June 05, 2012, 12:38:02 PM
I suspect that the delay is so that his defense team can get all of the stories that are going to be told straight. The state clearly indicated to the judge that they want his wife brought in to explain her part in the lies as well. They're all going to have to be on the same page, lest ole' George has to chill his jets in jail right up until the time there's either a plea bargain or a trial.
I don't know if you watched the hearing or not (I did), but the judge was clearly pissed at being lied to, and said he was surprised that the state hasn't filed perjury charges against the wife. Those charges may very well be forthcoming at some point depending on what song she sings when she comes in for the new bail hearing.
Those financial lies may prove to be far more costly to Zimmerman than their actual monetary value.
He strikes me (Zimmy) as one of those "high strung" individuals that are hyper type A's; and as such he will not do well incarcerated. If he is put into isolation he'll end up on suicide watch I am sure. (I would not be surprised to see him end up on the dead list here).
What I do not understand is why the court / prosecution did not run an updated inquiry into his financials prior to the arraignment and bond hearings. I would have thought that had they done so they'd have known up front that he and his wife were lying about their financials to the court.
However, it also tends to shed light on his credibility as well and as you say, it will end up costing them more than just money and possessions. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 05, 2012, 12:26:20 PM
:)
When Zimmerman goes to jail not if. I wonder where they are going to put him. :haha: Can you imagine being all alone in prison with all of those O0 black gang bangers wanting a hunk of his Mexican ass. You know there might be a place called hell on earth, for Zimmerman that is. :wink: :biggrin:
"Crickets"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOYus1BE7jk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOYus1BE7jk)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 06, 2012, 11:57:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOYus1BE7jk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOYus1BE7jk)
:biggrin: :hat: :party: :dance:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 06, 2012, 11:57:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOYus1BE7jk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOYus1BE7jk)
WTF??? :confused:
Quote from: Olias on June 06, 2012, 01:04:53 PM
WTF??? :confused:
A bunch of loser thinking they are winners. :haha: :haha: Just wait until the Kool-Aid wears off. :koolaid: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on June 06, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
A bunch of loser thinking they are winners. :haha: :haha: Just wait until the Kool-Aid wears off. :koolaid: :haha:
I don't get it. What does Wisconsin have to do with the Trayvon Martin case?
Quote from: Olias on June 06, 2012, 01:38:12 PM
I don't get it. What does Wisconsin have to do with the Trayvon Martin case?
absolutly nothing!
just wanted to have some fun with Mr. Troll....which worked!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 06, 2012, 01:41:20 PM
absolutly nothing!
just wanted to have some fun with Mr. Troll....which worked!
Sure! Uh huh! :wink:
Looks like you caught your buddy 'me' in that trap, too.
Quote from: Olias on June 06, 2012, 02:06:05 PM
Sure! Uh huh! :wink:
Looks like you caught your buddy 'me' in that trap, too.
she understood my punchline very well.... :wink: :smile:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 06, 2012, 02:08:36 PM
she understood my punchline very well.... :wink: :smile:
What friggin punchline? You posted some stupid, youtube crap about the Wisconsin fight song? If there was a punchline, what did it have to do with the topic of this thread?
Quote from: Olias on June 06, 2012, 02:11:02 PM
What friggin punchline? You posted some stupid, youtube crap about the Wisconsin fight song? If there was a punchline, what did it have to do with the topic of this thread?
It was referring to Wisconsin Gov Scott Walker, winning his recall election..... I didn't say it was hilarious, but it did get a rise out of the troll...and that was my sole intent.
btw, like I said, it had zero to do with the topic....just "trolling for trolls"... :smile:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 06, 2012, 02:22:58 PM
It was referring to Wisconsin Gov Scott Walker, winning his recall election..... I didn't say it was hilarious, but it did get a rise out of the troll...and that was my sole intent.
btw, like I said, it had zero to do with the topic....just "trolling for trolls"... :smile:
Your sense of humor is something a kin to a hangman dancing at his work. What would you call it, grave yard humor. You were bragging about your so called Koch brother and other millionaire boughten election in a wrong topic. It wasn't funny, it was stupid. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on June 06, 2012, 02:44:29 PM
Your sense of humor is something a kin to a hangman dancing at his work. What would you call it, grave yard humor. You were bragging about your so called Koch brother and other millionaire boughten election in a wrong topic. It wasn't funny, it was stupid. :haha: :haha:
the bottom line is that "I" enjoyed it!! :haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 06, 2012, 02:49:54 PM
the bottom line is that "I" enjoyed it!! :haha:
Yep, in the next Batman movie you could be the Joker. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 06, 2012, 02:49:54 PM
the bottom line is that "I" enjoyed it!! :haha:
Kinda touchy ain't they HH? :biggrin:
Quote from: me on June 06, 2012, 06:20:13 PM
Kinda touchy ain't they HH? :biggrin:
:me: you could be in a Batman :bat: movie to. You could be the Penguin. Wack, wack, wack, wack, wack. :biggrin: Just wacky. That's a joke. :rotfl: :rotfl: :kiss: Butter Cup. :seeya2:
New bond hearing for Zimmerman set for June 29th.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 05, 2012, 12:47:47 PM
He strikes me (Zimmy) as one of those "high strung" individuals that are hyper type A's; and as such he will not do well incarcerated. If he is put into isolation he'll end up on suicide watch I am sure. (I would not be surprised to see him end up on the dead list here).
What I do not understand is why the court / prosecution did not run an updated inquiry into his financials prior to the arraignment and bond hearings. I would have thought that had they done so they'd have known up front that he and his wife were lying about their financials to the court.
However, it also tends to shed light on his credibility as well and as you say, it will end up costing them more than just money and possessions. . .
I would guess Zimmerman has been treated with some deference out of respect for his father, who is a retired magistrate (Virginia Supreme Court, 6 years).
Quote from: libby on June 06, 2012, 10:37:26 PM
I would guess Zimmerman has been treated with some deference out of respect for his father, who is a retired magistrate (Virginia Supreme Court, 6 years).
Is that true?! I was not aware of that!
Quote from: Palehorse on June 06, 2012, 10:41:48 PM
Is that true?! I was not aware of that!
"Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available on Virginia's Judicial System Website ."
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate
This has to suck. You're in prison for 19 years, you get out, get the first cell phone you've ever had in your life, and the service provider gives you George Zimmerman's old number. ;D
At age 49, Junior Alexander Guy got his first cell phone last month. The calls started immediately.
Strangers called at all hours. Some were insulting. Others angry. Sometimes, they threatened him.
"You murderer!"
"You deserve to die!"
By Day 2 he figured out what was going on: T-Mobile had given him the phone number formerly used by George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who fatally shot Trayvon Martin in February.
The number —407-435-2400 — was the one Zimmerman spelled out to a police dispatcher in a recorded call the night of the shooting that has since been widely circulated by news organizations and is available on the Internet.
Guy, who works at an Orlando wastewater plant, said his phone rang around the clock.
"At 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock in the morning I kept getting these," he said.
He estimates he received 70 threatening calls.
He has moved out of his home and relocated his mother, who had lived with him, to a different location, he said.
"I was not only afraid for my life, I was afraid for my mother's," he said.
He got the phone May 7. On May 16, he turned the phone over to Orlando lawyer Robert Trimble. Since then, the phone has been in Trimble's safe.
The lawyer has asked T-Mobile to pay damages. He would not say how much.
T-Mobile has said no, according to its top lawyer, Aram Meade.
"They're not looking to provide my client any compensation for what they've exposed him to," Trimble complained.
Meade said his company had offered to change the number, something that happened Thursday, the same day Trimble requested it.
Also Thursday, the company retired the number, said Glenn Zaccara, a company spokesman. And it provided an account credit and waived an early termination fee, he wrote in an email.
Guy had never had a cell phone, in part, because he got out of prison last year after serving 19 years on a cocaine trafficking charge. It was his third time in state prison, according to Florida Department of Corrections records.
Criminal history or no criminal history, Trimble said, Guy was given Zimmerman's old phone number, and evidence supports his claim that he was being pummeled by harassing calls.
"I'm asking them for a fair and reasonable sum," Trimble said.
The 28-year-old Zimmerman is currently in the Seminole County Jail, awaiting trial on a second-degree murder charge.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-07/news/os-george-zimmerman-old-phone-number-20120606_1_t-mobile-cell-phone-phone-number
;D Wow!! just when things were starting to look up!! :spooked:
George Zimmerman's wife was arrested Tuesday afternoon for allegedly lying at his bond hearing about the couple's finances.
Shellie N. Zimmerman, 25, faces a perjury charge, according to Jackie Barnard, spokeswoman for the State Attorney's office for the Fourth Judicial District of Florida. She met conditions for a $1,000 bond and was released Tuesday afternoon, according to the Seminole County Sheriff's Office.
At her husband's April 20 bond hearing, Shellie Zimmerman was asked whether the couple had financial means to assist in the defense.
"Uhm, not -- not that I'm aware of," she replied, according to a probable cause affidavit filed Monday.
She also testified under oath she was not aware of how much had been raised from a website soliciting cash for George Zimmerman's defense in the February shooting death of Trayvon Martin, 17, in Sanford, Florida. Zimmerman said he acted in self-defense.
In April, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder after the case was referred to a state attorney for a review. He was released from custody later that month after posting bail.
On June 1, Seminole County Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. ordered Zimmerman back to jail, accusing the suspect of not being truthful about how much money he had access to when his bond was set.
Prosecutors alleged that George Zimmerman, 28, actually had about $135,000.
According to the affidavit, prepared by an investigator with the State Attorney's office, the Zimmermans discussed finances via phone before the April 20 bond hearing.
Those talks included the transfer of money from George Zimmerman's account to accounts of his sister and wife, according to the affidavit.
Records show $47,000 was transferred from George Zimmerman's account to his sister's account from April 16 and 17, authorities allege. Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $74,000 from her husband's account to her account from April 16 to April 19, the affidavit states.
George Zimmerman asked his wife in jail calls to "pay off all the bills," including an American Express bill and a Sam's Club card, prosecutors allege.
On April 24, after his release on bond, Shellie Zimmerman transferred more than $85,500 from her account back to George Zimmerman's account, according to the affidavit.
Shellie Zimmerman will be arraigned July 31.
Prosecutors have alleged the Zimmermans spoke in code when discussing the money in a credit union account, according to court documents filed by State Attorney Angela B. Corey.
Zimmerman "fully controlled and participated in the transfer of money from the PayPal account to defendant and his wife's credit union accounts," Corey said in court records. "This occurred prior to the time defendant was arguing to the court that he was indigent and his wife had no money."
The judge "relied on false representations and statements" by Zimmerman and his wife when the court set his bond at $150,000, Corey said. Zimmerman was required to post only 10% of that.
Defense lawyers have argued that "the vast majority of the funds in question are in an independently managed trust" that Zimmerman and his attorneys cannot access directly.
"The audio recordings of Mr. Zimmerman's phone conversation while in jail make it clear that Mr. Zimmerman knew a significant sum had been raised by his original fundraising website," attorneys said last week. "We feel the failure to disclose these funds was caused by fear, mistrust and confusion. The gravity of this mistake has been distinctly illustrated, and Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair."
The attorneys said Zimmerman did disclose the existence of the funds five days after the bond hearing, during his first conversation with the defense about the fund. "When the defense team learned of the funds, we disclosed this to the court and to the State Attorney's Office, and the money was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund, which is now independently managed," the defense said.
Of the $204,000 raised by the website, about $150,000 is now in the defense fund and $30,000 was used "to make the complicated transition from private life in Sanford, Florida, to a life in hiding as a defendant in a high-profile court case."
The remainder, about $20,000, "was kept liquid to provide living expenses for the first several months as the legal process unfolds," attorneys said.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/12/justice/florida-zimmerman-wife/index.html?c=homepage-t&page=0
Saw that coming the day his bond was revoked. I even think the judge subtly suggested it. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 12, 2012, 08:36:36 PM
Saw that coming the day his bond was revoked. I even think the judge subtly suggested it. :yes:
By chance, could this be a big,big case of CARMA. Evil begets evil. So they say. :yes: :wink:
She ain't happy. :spooked:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120612081736-shellie-zimmerman-arrested-story-top.jpg)
Quote from: Locutus on June 12, 2012, 08:56:53 PM
She ain't happy. :spooked:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120612081736-shellie-zimmerman-arrested-story-top.jpg)
In some cases a wife should stand my her man, but a killer of this cowardly murder, she is wrong. She could have been next with this nut case. :rant:
VIDEO: Zimmerman's Reenactment of Trayvon Shooting... (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-reenactment-trayvon-martin-shooting/story?id=16616864#.T-MTYLjDVoY)
Zimmerman is a proven lair.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 21, 2012, 09:39:09 AM
Zimmerman is a proven lair.
I cannot argue with you on that.
lol...oops...liar
Quote from: Exterminator on June 21, 2012, 10:41:18 AM
lol...oops...liar
lol, and I just went along with it...
I just watched a video of a police interview in which Zimmerman claims (amongst other inconsistencies) that Martin was on top of him when he shot him but in the police video of Zimmerman that night, he appears to have no blood on him. Not possible.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 21, 2012, 11:25:45 AM
I just watched a video of a police interview in which Zimmerman claims (amongst other inconsistencies) that Martin was on top of him when he shot him but in the police video of Zimmerman that night, he appears to have no blood on him. Not possible.
Let us get down to the truth. The piece of Mexican trash is a cold blooded murder who hated O0.
Have you noticed that :me: is not defending him any more. Like Tryvon attacked him and the gun might have gone off accidentally and all of the reasons that Zimmerman couldn't have murders him in cold blood. :rolleyes: Naw, naw, naw, she isn't racist. :haha: :haha:
At minimum he is a liar. . . :yes:
Interesting take on what isn't yet public. (http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/18475)
Quote from: Exterminator on June 21, 2012, 12:08:36 PM
Interesting take on what isn't yet public. (http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/18475)
Good read.
Zimmie wants out. . . :roll eyes:
Trayvon wants to be alive. . . :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 29, 2012, 12:12:12 PM
Zimmie wants out. . . :roll eyes:
Trayvon wants to be alive. . . :rant:
Zimmerman is going bye, bye for a long time. There was a shooting in Texas where the shooter claimed stand your ground. He went over to his neighbor's house who was a school teacher having a party for his daughter and he thought the music was to loud.
The guy claimed that the school teacher came running out of his house in a threatening way and the guy felt threatened and shot him point blank killing the school teacher instantly on his front porch. The nut case got 40 years with no possibility of parole for 20 years. :yeah: I think he should get the needles in the Texas death chamber. :dead: :rant: That might teach the Zimmerman type of people something. :angry:
New bail: $1,000,000.00
That'll put a dent in his bank accounts.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 05, 2012, 11:58:59 AM
That'll put a dent in his bank accounts.
....by about half. The Orlando Sentinel says he has about $211,000.00, and he'll have to pay a 10% non-refundable fee to a bail bondsman in order to be released. He'll be back out by tomorrow morning.
Quote from: Locutus on July 05, 2012, 12:04:58 PM
....by about half. The Orlando Sentinel says he has about $211,000.00, and he'll have to pay a 10% non-refundable fee to a bail bondsman in order to be released. He'll be back out by tomorrow morning.
I wonder where the coward is going to hide when he's out on bond. :wink: :biggrin:
He's back out. . .
I don't think he can leave Seminole County like he was allowed to last time.
Quote from: Locutus on July 06, 2012, 06:09:19 PM
I don't think he can leave Seminole County like he was allowed to last time.
Won't surprise me if he runs. . . I believe that was his intention last time he was out. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 06, 2012, 06:13:45 PM
Won't surprise me if he runs. . . I believe that was his intention last time he was out. . .
That's exactly what the judge said too. ;D
Quote from: Palehorse on July 06, 2012, 06:13:45 PM
Won't surprise me if he runs. . . I believe that was his intention last time he was out. . .
Yeah, he originally surrended his passport...turns out he has another one. How does that happen and who has two passports? The more we learn about this scumbag, the more he turns out to be a lying, coward.
Guess he's in a safe house with an ankle bracelet and is not allowed to have a bank account, set foot on any airport property, or have a passport. Sounds like they have him on a short leash at least.
Quote from: me on July 06, 2012, 07:17:25 PM
Guess he's in a safe house with an ankle bracelet and is not allowed to have a bank account, set foot on any airport property, or have a passport. Sounds like they have him on a short leash at least.
Why not just keep him in jail and save all of the problems. He's a murder. No doubt. Keep him there until the trial. For for the safety of the people in Florida. Or send him to the South side of Chicago. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: me on July 06, 2012, 07:17:25 PM
Guess he's in a safe house with an ankle bracelet and is not allowed to have a bank account, set foot on any airport property, or have a passport. Sounds like they have him on a short leash at least.
Yeah . . . right. If their "in home detention" program works like the city of Anderson's does, he'll be out of the state before anyone knows he is gone. . . :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 06, 2012, 07:24:39 PM
Yeah . . . right. If their "in home detention" program works like the city of Anderson's does, he'll be out of the state before anyone knows he is gone. . . :mad:
Good point.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 06, 2012, 07:24:39 PM
Yeah . . . right. If their "in home detention" program works like the city of Anderson's does, he'll be out of the state before anyone knows he is gone. . . :mad:
Home detention. I liked the one where the Anderson cops went to check of a guy who was on home detention. The cops claim when they drove into his driveway, he took off to the back of his house where he was sitting in a chair.
They gave hot pursuit and as they pass the garage they shot his Pit Bull. Claiming the dog was attacking them. Funny, :sarcasm: the dog was chained to the garage. The man claimed that he had not seen them drive into his drive and had just walked around the house to his back yard. More fine service to mankind by all police departments. :angry: :mad:
I still would like to know how many American people the cops kill here in America each year. :dead: :dead: :dead: I'll bet the number is mind boggling. :dead:
If you don't believe me just watch Miami/Dade County SWAT. The cops are not just paramilitary. They are out and out military armed police force. They are trained just like the Navy Seals. If you ever seen over kill by a police department, this is it. :sarcasm: They need these cops in Afghanistan. :rant:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 06, 2012, 06:46:12 PM
Yeah, he originally surrended his passport...turns out he has another one. How does that happen and who has two passports? The more we learn about this scumbag, the more he turns out to be a lying, coward.
Maybe he has dual citizenship somewhere and has a passport from there? I think my friend's grandchildren have both US passports and one from their father's country as well.
Quote from: Anne on July 07, 2012, 12:49:35 PM
Maybe he has dual citizenship somewhere and has a passport from there? I think my friend's grandchildren have both US passports and one from their father's country as well.
I think the claim was that he lost his original, signed an affidavit to the effect, and obtained a duplicate. Then he said he found the original after he got the duplicate. But I think the guy's obviously a liar, so I don't think anyone can really tell if that's why he had two.
Zimmerman is in a safe house:
George Zimmerman is staying in a safe house in Seminole County, Fla. after posting bond to get out of jail a second time, his attorneys said in a statement on Sunday.
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/08/12628548-george-zimmerman-staying-at-safe-house?lite
"I feel that it was all God's plan...." -- George Zimmerman
:rolleyes:
I can't believe his attorney lets him open his mouth.
I thought that was odd, too. I didn't see the interview, but if I was an attorney I don't think I would want my client talking to the media like that.
Faux News of course, did the interview. I wonder how much they paid him and whether he reported the income to the court system?
He's such an idiot, and it appears his legal representation is just as ignorant. . .
at this point of time, I have to agree! He needs to keep his mouth shut. I still see manslaughter charges on him at the least.
I can't imagine his attorney letting him do an interview when the contents of said interview would be admissible in court. I just don't get it.
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2012, 01:25:40 PM
I can't imagine his attorney letting him do an interview when the contents of said interview would be admissible in court. I just don't get it.
I don't either. I think this is hurting his image more than helping.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
I don't either. I think this is hurting his image more than helping.
I did see a snippet of the interview and if the interview was anything like the snippet he's toast and his attorney needs fired for letting him do it. IMO he came across as insincere and fake. I hope I'm wrong because I hate to say this about someone I don't even know but I don't think I'd trust him as far as I could throw him. It was just something in his eyes and his demeanor that struck me that way for some reason.
I read yesterday that one of his cousins has accused him of repeatedly molesting her when they were younger.
It's also pretty telling that even now with the benefit of hindsight, Zimmerman says there isn't anything he would have done differently. Clearly he is a danger to public safety and belongs in prison.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2012, 02:49:49 PM
I read yesterday that one of his cousins has accused him of repeatedly molesting her when they were younger.
I thought I heard something about that but just caught the tail end and haven't heard anything more on it.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2012, 03:15:15 PM
It's also pretty telling that even now with the benefit of hindsight, Zimmerman says there isn't anything he would have done differently. Clearly he is a danger to public safety and belongs in prison.
Can you believe it. He wouldn't do anything different and wouldn't have changed a thing. You have to be kidding me. You sneak up on a person with a gun and that person fights back, does that mean you get to murder that person. :azz:
What a scumbag family. Now his parents are cryin' poor and asking for donations because they're skeert!! :mad: :mad:
SANFORD, Fla. -
The parents of George Zimmerman have created a website asking for donations.
Robert and Gladys Zimmerman created robertandgladys.com because they said they have been forced into hiding and have to keep moving to protect themselves.
The Zimmermans are asking for people to donate money to them to help with their living expenses.
The website also included what they say are the real facts about their son's history.
The judge in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman said he will not issue his ruling Friday on whether he will recuse himself.
George Zimmerman's attorneys filed the motion, saying Judge Kenneth Lester can no longer give him a fair trial.
A new poll of criminal defense attorneys shows Lester is one of the highest-ranked jurists in central Florida.
Zimmerman is accused of shooting and killing Trayvon Martin Feb. 26.
http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/Zimmerman-s-parents-create-website-for-support/-/14266478/15762896/-/10kswtrz/-/index.html
Cyber Gypsies! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 27, 2012, 11:12:46 PM
Cyber Gypsies! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
What about the people who sent Zimmerman's money. :doh: Who knows, maybe Henry and "ME" has already sent him some money. Remember how they defended Zimmerman. "Maybe the gun went of accidentally". :wink: :haha:
http://www.kulturekritic.com/2012/08/news/man-charged-with-attempted-murder-says-he-only-shot-a-ngger/# (http://www.kulturekritic.com/2012/08/news/man-charged-with-attempted-murder-says-he-only-shot-a-ngger/#)
Quote from: Exterminator on August 01, 2012, 01:29:27 PM
http://www.kulturekritic.com/2012/08/news/man-charged-with-attempted-murder-says-he-only-shot-a-ngger/# (http://www.kulturekritic.com/2012/08/news/man-charged-with-attempted-murder-says-he-only-shot-a-ngger/#)
That is exactly what 33% of the hardcore Republicans think. It's just an other "N". And just another "N" in the White House and we are going to make that "N" a one term president. :trustme: The racist bastards. :yes: :yes: :yes:
Zimmy's getting himself a new judge:
The Fifth District Court of Appeal in Daytona Beach today ruled that second-degree murder suspect George Zimmerman deserves a new judge.
A three-judge panel voted 2-1 that Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. in Sanford went too far when, among other things, he wrote that Zimmerman is a manipulator.
"... this is admittedly a close call," wrote Judge C. Alan Lawson, but Lester's actions, taken in total, meet the legal standard requiring him to step aside.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-appeals-ruling-lester-20120829,0,276083,print.story
SANFORD – George Zimmerman's murder trial in the death of Trayvon Martin was set for June 10 during a hearing in court this morning.
Zimmerman, 29, is charged with second-degree murder for shooting Trayvon, an unarmed 17-year-old, in Sanford Feb. 26, a homicide that set off civil-rights rallies across the country.
This morning, Circuit Judge Debra Nelson set Zimmerman's trial for June 10. Attorneys in the case said they estimate the trial will last three weeks. Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda said he expected jury selection would take longer than the trial itself.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/os-george-zimmerman-docket-sounding-20121017,0,2461630.story
Quote from: Locutus on October 17, 2012, 11:15:02 AM
SANFORD – George Zimmerman's murder trial in the death of Trayvon Martin was set for June 10 during a hearing in court this morning.
Zimmerman, 29, is charged with second-degree murder for shooting Trayvon, an unarmed 17-year-old, in Sanford Feb. 26, a homicide that set off civil-rights rallies across the country.
This morning, Circuit Judge Debra Nelson set Zimmerman's trial for June 10. Attorneys in the case said they estimate the trial will last three weeks. Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda said he expected jury selection would take longer than the trial itself.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/os-george-zimmerman-docket-sounding-20121017,0,2461630.story
I sure would like to be on the jury. See what Zimmerman has to say and then :hanged: :biggrin:
They're going to have a stand your ground hearing before the trial. I doubt the case will be dropped on those grounds.
(CNN) -- George Zimmerman, charged in the shooting death of a 17-year-old Florida boy, is suing NBC Universal for using "the oldest form of yellow journalism" by editing an audio tape of his 911 call to make him sound racist, the lawsuit says.
Zimmerman is seeking "damages in excess of the jurisdictional limit" in Seminole County Circuit Court in Florida, where the lawsuit was filed Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit/index.html
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 07, 2012, 12:07:00 PM
(CNN) -- George Zimmerman, charged in the shooting death of a 17-year-old Florida boy, is suing NBC Universal for using "the oldest form of yellow journalism" by editing an audio tape of his 911 call to make him sound racist, the lawsuit says.
Zimmerman is seeking "damages in excess of the jurisdictional limit" in Seminole County Circuit Court in Florida, where the lawsuit was filed Thursday.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit/index.html
:rolleyes:
Sure would like to be on the jury of that murdering SOB. :biggrin: Also on the jury where he is suing NBC. Like "0" money. :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on December 07, 2012, 12:51:16 PM
Sure would like to be on the jury of that murdering SOB. :biggrin: Also on the jury where he is suing NBC. Like "0" money. :yes:
I think he and his wife are hurting for money. That's probably why he's suing.
That was totally wrong for NBC to have done that though you have to admit. Whether he's hurting for money is not the point. The point is NBC did something unethical and harmful.
Quote from: me on December 07, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
That was totally wrong for NBC to have done that though you have to admit. Whether he's hurting for money is not the point. The point is NBC did something unethical and harmful.
Only if it was done on purpose. I don't think there's anything that supports that it was purposefully done. If there is evidence to support that it was purposeful, I certainly haven't seen it.
Like I said, old Zimmerman and his wife are screaming for donations for his defense (and hers too against the perjury charge), so the need for money is probably the sole reason he's suing.
I'm thinking NBC did some trick editing to make him sound racist...
Here's how NBC News portrayed the audiotape:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black.
The full tape went like this:
Zimmerman: This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
Again, was it a slip up in editing, or was it purposeful?
BTW, Zimmerman has also petitioned the court to be able to move freely around Florida unmonitored. I'd say there's about a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
Quote from: Locutus on December 07, 2012, 04:57:39 PM
Again, was it a slip up in editing, or was it purposeful?
BTW, Zimmerman has also petitioned the court to be able to move freely around Florida unmonitored. I'd say there's about a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
I'm not thinking it was a slip up at all..... I think they need to get the trial going on this one.....determine if he is guilty or not....and move on.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 07, 2012, 05:01:47 PM
I'm not thinking it was a slip up at all..... I think they need to get the trial going on this one.....determine if he is guilty or not....and move on.
Right now, the trial date is set for June 10, 2013, so we have a bit longer to wait, and that's even if it goes off on schedule.
Quote from: Locutus on December 07, 2012, 04:57:39 PM
Again, was it a slip up in editing, or was it purposeful?
BTW, Zimmerman has also petitioned the court to be able to move freely around Florida unmonitored. I'd say there's about a snowball's chance in hell of that happening.
If it had been Fox News what would your reply have been? That was obviously not a slip up in editing.
Quote from: me on December 07, 2012, 05:53:36 PM
If it had been Fox News what would your reply have been? That was obviously not a slip up in editing.
Obviously, Fox
News has a rich history of irresponsible journalism. NBC doesn't.
Here's the explanation from NBC as to what happened:
NBC News president Steve Capus has finally come out and explained the full story behind the edited tape of George Zimmermans' 911 call while following Florida teenager Trayvon Martin. The producer of the edited tape has been fired already, and Capus said that others who were involved in the editing have been properly disciplined. He admitted first off that airing the edited call was "a mistake and not a deliberate act to misrepresent the phone call."
Somewhere in the editing process, Capus said, something went wrong because the people who are supposed to normally review material before it airs somehow missed the selective editing. In fact, according to Capus, NBC news executives did not even know the mistake had taken place until it was reported by NewsBusters and Breitbart.org.
Here's a link to the complaint, BTW, if anyone's interested:
http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/nbc/complaint.pdf
All I can say is a bit BS.
Does anyone else think this cop is nothing more than a pathetic liar?
(CNN) -- The Florida police sergeant fired for possessing shooting targets resembling Trayvon Martin defended himself Sunday and said the targets were meant to be used as training aids for "no-shoot" situations.
Sgt. Ron King was fired from his job as a firearms instructor for the Port Canaveral Police Department on Friday after an internal review determined he possessed the paper targets and offered them to fellow officers for use during a firearms training session earlier this month.
"When informed of the basic facts, (I) found the entire situation unacceptable," John Walsh, the interim chief executive of the Canaveral Port Authority, told reporters Saturday. "It is not the type of behavior that I want a police officer to have on both a personal and professional level. I find his conduct intolerable and I demanded that the chief immediately start procedures to terminate this employee."
The paper targets show a faceless black hooded sweatshirt with a bull's-eye on the chest. In one hand is a can of iced tea and in the pocket is a pack of Skittles candy, the same items Martin was carrying when he was shot and killed last year in a case that has drawn national attention.
King, in a video statement posted online, said he bought the targets because the two items -- the Skittles and iced tea -- were not threatening, which meant the target could be used to help train officers when not to shoot a suspect.
...
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/14/us/florida-trayvon-martin-targets/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Quote from: Locutus on April 15, 2013, 12:38:35 PM
Does anyone else think this cop is nothing more than a pathetic liar?
(CNN) -- The Florida police sergeant fired for possessing shooting targets resembling Trayvon Martin defended himself Sunday and said the targets were meant to be used as training aids for "no-shoot" situations.
Sgt. Ron King was fired from his job as a firearms instructor for the Port Canaveral Police Department on Friday after an internal review determined he possessed the paper targets and offered them to fellow officers for use during a firearms training session earlier this month.
"When informed of the basic facts, (I) found the entire situation unacceptable," John Walsh, the interim chief executive of the Canaveral Port Authority, told reporters Saturday. "It is not the type of behavior that I want a police officer to have on both a personal and professional level. I find his conduct intolerable and I demanded that the chief immediately start procedures to terminate this employee."
The paper targets show a faceless black hooded sweatshirt with a bull's-eye on the chest. In one hand is a can of iced tea and in the pocket is a pack of Skittles candy, the same items Martin was carrying when he was shot and killed last year in a case that has drawn national attention.
King, in a video statement posted online, said he bought the targets because the two items -- the Skittles and iced tea -- were not threatening, which meant the target could be used to help train officers when not to shoot a suspect.
...
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/14/us/florida-trayvon-martin-targets/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
This is an example, to me, of the "dark humor" that police officers have a strong tendency to gravitate toward.
The cop is trying to cover his ass, and lying to do so. He needs to get into the unemployment lines and see what it is like to be a "scumbag".
That's the exact point I was making. It's obvious he's lying and he's not smart enough to see it.
If you're going to be a liar, you at least should try and be a good one.
Quote from: Locutus on April 15, 2013, 12:44:32 PM
That's the exact point I was making. It's obvious he's lying and he's not smart enough to see it.
If you're going to be a liar, you at least should try and be a good one.
If a person is a liar, he or she shouldn't be a cop. :rant: But as the judges and prosecutors think its legal for cop to lie and they do all of the time. :rant:
I see the scumbag has initially waved the stand your ground rule. . . :rolleyes:
And now texts by the killed kid are being presented to portray him as some kind of thug. . . :rolleyes:
Get ready to be inundated! Trial starts today with jury selection. I'm sure Nancy Grace and her smarmy southern accent will be in Orlando to pounce on any detail. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 10, 2013, 10:49:27 AM
Get ready to be inundated! Trial starts today with jury selection. I'm sure Nancy Grace and her smarmy southern accent will be in Orlando to pounce on any detail. :roll eyes:
Oh goody. I hope they don't run this into the ground like they have a habit of doing with some of the others. I see a lot of History Channel and DVD's in our future is they do.
Quote from: Locutus on June 10, 2013, 10:49:27 AM
Get ready to be inundated! Trial starts today with jury selection. I'm sure Nancy Grace and her smarmy southern accent will be in Orlando to pounce on any detail. :roll eyes:
It is too bad it is getting all of this national attention........I hope a good judge and jury bring all of this to an end....and justice is served.
Not looking good for Zimmerman. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/09/1214336/-DNA-Report-does-NOT-support-Zimmerman-s-claim-that-Trayvon-Martin-caused-his-injuries#)
Quote from: Exterminator on June 14, 2013, 10:51:34 AM
Not looking good for Zimmerman. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/09/1214336/-DNA-Report-does-NOT-support-Zimmerman-s-claim-that-Trayvon-Martin-caused-his-injuries#)
That guy is fuckin' liar. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on June 14, 2013, 11:08:11 AM
That guy is fuckin' liar. :yes:
Yep. The evidence suggests he hurt himself
after shooting Martin to bolster his claim of self-defense.
Quote from: Locutus on June 10, 2013, 10:49:27 AM
Get ready to be inundated! Trial starts today with jury selection. I'm sure Nancy Grace and her smarmy southern accent will be in Orlando to pounce on any detail. :roll eyes:
This is all CNN is airing while court is in session. :mad:
19 firefighters cooked up in AZ and they are focusing on the Zimmerman trial exclusively. :rolleyes:
As for that, it really appears like the "eyewitness" testimony is inconclusive at best; lending credibility to the fact that eyewitness testimony is among the worst evidence to any incident.
IMHO the prosecution is bungling things a bit thus far, and the defense is doing the same. Minus any bombshell evidentiary articles being presented by either side, the best the prosecution is going to obtain is manslaughter on Zimmerman; and that may be tenuous at this point.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 14, 2013, 11:13:30 AM
Yep. The evidence suggests he hurt himself after shooting Martin to bolster his claim of self-defense.
What evidence suggest that?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2013, 01:20:34 PM
What evidence suggest that?
The DNA evidence detailed in the link I provided. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2013, 02:15:53 PM
The DNA evidence detailed in the link I provided. :rolleyes:
Then why don't the prosecutor use that?
Quote from: me on July 01, 2013, 02:29:41 PM
Then why don't the prosecutor use that?
They are still presenting their case, so your assumption they have not or will not is a bit premature wouldn't you think? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 01, 2013, 02:36:22 PM
They are still presenting their case, so your assumption they have not or will not is a bit premature wouldn't you think? :rolleyes:
LMAO! Wow...
Quote from: Palehorse on July 01, 2013, 02:36:22 PM
They are still presenting their case, so your assumption they have not or will not is a bit premature wouldn't you think? :rolleyes:
They obviously haven't or they would have said something on the news about it. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 01, 2013, 03:41:59 PM
They obviously haven't or they would have said something on the news about it. :rolleyes:
Uh, they haven't gotten to the forensics yet?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2013, 03:50:30 PM
Uh, they haven't gotten to the forensics yet?
I'm not paying that much attention at this point since we haven't had the tv on much and when we have had it on we've been watching music videos or the History channel. The last I heard on it was when the girlfriend testified and said Travon called Zimmerman a strange looking cracker and the eye witness was talking about Travon being on top of Zimmerman beating on him. Where it has gone in the last 4 days I had no clue so for all I knew they may have gotten there and hadn't brought it up.
CNN just broadcasted his Social Security number and other personal info......... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 01, 2013, 04:48:43 PM
CNN just broadcasted his Social Security number and other personal info......... :rolleyes:
What the hell were they thinking to do something like that? Real smart people. :rolleyes:
Don't worry; I don't think anyone wants to steal his identity. :no: ;D
Quote from: Locutus on July 02, 2013, 11:52:51 AM
Don't worry; I don't think anyone wants to steal his identity. :no: ;D
;D
The forensics began being reviewed today; starting with the medical examiner stating that she did not think they were inflicted the way Zimmy says and reviewing why.
Ouch! :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 02, 2013, 05:20:07 PM
The forensics began being reviewed today; starting with the medical examiner stating that she did not think they were inflicted the way Zimmy says and reviewing why.
Ouch! :icon_twisted:
And here we go...I'll be interested in hearing how the defense explains Trayvon repeatedly punching Zimmerman, trying to suffocate him, bashing his head into the ground (to cause a 3/4 inch cut on his head) and somehow managing during the entire process to get none of Zimmerman's DNA on his knuckles, under his fingernails or on his clothing. Additionally, if, as Zimmerman claims, Martin was on top of him when he shot him, why is none of Martin's blood on Zimmerman? How does one shoot someone at point-blank range who is sitting on him holding him down and avoid getting that person's blood on him?
I digress...the jury will probably believe the smoke and mirrors presented by the defense and Zimmerman may, in fact, walk...just like O.J.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 02, 2013, 08:47:19 PM
I digress...the jury will probably believe the smoke and mirrors presented by the defense and Zimmerman may, in fact, walk...just like O.J.
I'm just following the trial by what's coming out in the news, but after some of the things I've heard this week, I tend to agree with you. He may very well get away with it.
Well, it seems the investigators in Florida must have attended the same criminal investigation and forensics classes as those guys in LA. They actually bagged up the clothing, wet, in plastic bags; thereby leaving wiggle room in the forensic results for the defense. :rolleyes:
I am starting to believe manslaughter may even be a stretch. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 03, 2013, 10:42:41 PM
Well, it seems the investigators in Florida must have attended the same criminal investigation and forensics classes as those guys in LA. They actually bagged up the clothing, wet, in plastic bags; thereby leaving wiggle room in the forensic results for the defense. :rolleyes:
I am starting to believe manslaughter may even be a stretch. . .
These guys are inept to say the least.
If he doesn't walk, I'll be surprised.
This has been handled poorly from the start.
BTW, the DNA evidence that Ex posted earlier was introduced today according to news reports.
Quote from: Locutus on July 04, 2013, 12:18:30 AM
BTW, the DNA evidence that Ex posted earlier was introduced today according to news reports.
And that is the very same DNA evidence that was collected from improperly handled evidence. :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on July 04, 2013, 12:18:30 AM
BTW, the DNA evidence that Ex posted earlier was introduced today according to news reports.
Problem is if Zimmerman's DNA had been on Travon's clothes it would have broken down due to the condition of them from being put in the bag wet.
Quote from: me on July 04, 2013, 07:21:51 AM
Problem is if Zimmerman's DNA had been on Travon's clothes it would have broken down due to the condition of them from being put in the bag wet.
That's what the defense is claiming but if Zimmerman's DNA broke down because of that, why didn't Martin's? There are far too many inconsistencies in Zimmerman's version of events for his story to be believable. He claims that Martin had him pinned to the ground, was punching him, banging his head into the concrete, trying to smother him and reaching for his handgun all at the same time. For that to be true, Martin would have had to have been some sort of ninja octopus. Additionally, he claims that Martin was on top of him when he was shot yet none of Martin's blood was on Zimmerman. When someone is shot in the chest at point blank range, there's blood...a lot of it yet Zimmerman magically got none on him! I hope the jury is smart enough to see through this charade and identify these obvious issues in the narrative the defense is feeding it.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 04, 2013, 12:29:52 PM
. . . I hope the jury is smart enough to see through this charade and identify these obvious issues in the narrative the defense is feeding it.
Therein lies the problem. By mishandling the evidence it allows the defense opportunity to inject reasonable doubt, (or unreasonable), which may be enough to put doubt into the jury's head. Especially if there are butter-knives in that box instead of fillet knives.
Holy hell. The assistant medical examiner on the stand, who performed the autopsy on Martin, is a bumbling idiot! He is combative in demeanor and seems to want to testify about anything but the autopsy he performed.
Zimmerman is going to walk on this one. I'm almost certain.
They should have sought manslaughter from the beginning. I think that is a reasonable conclusion. 2nd degree murder is crazy.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 04, 2013, 12:29:52 PM
That's what the defense is claiming but if Zimmerman's DNA broke down because of that, why didn't Martin's? There are far too many inconsistencies in Zimmerman's version of events for his story to be believable. He claims that Martin had him pinned to the ground, was punching him, banging his head into the concrete, trying to smother him and reaching for his handgun all at the same time. For that to be true, Martin would have had to have been some sort of ninja octopus. Additionally, he claims that Martin was on top of him when he was shot yet none of Martin's blood was on Zimmerman. When someone is shot in the chest at point blank range, there's blood...a lot of it yet Zimmerman magically got none on him! I hope the jury is smart enough to see through this charade and identify these obvious issues in the narrative the defense is feeding it.
A nationally renowned gunshot wound expert testified Tuesday that Trayvon Martin's gunshot wound was consistent with accused murderer George Zimmerman's story that the teen was on top of him and leaning over when he was shot.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57592866-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-was-on-top-of-zimmerman-when-teen-was-shot-gunshot-wound-expert-testifies/
I hate to say this (because I think he's guilty), but he's going to skate on this. The prosecution's case doesn't rise to the level of "beyond a reasonable doubt," as least as far as what I've heard about the case. Juries can go either way, but that's my gut feeling at this point.
It's sad that he's not going to have to pay some price for his actions. Regardless of what happened that night, there's only one person alive to tell a version of events. Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman took it upon himself to disregard the advice of the dispatcher, leave his car, and follow Martin.
You actually believe he is guilty of 2nd degree MURDER? Based upon WHAT facts?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2013, 02:34:55 PM
You actually believe he is guilty of 2nd degree MURDER? Based upon WHAT facts?
Primarily the inconsistencies in his story and the lack Zimmerman's DNA on Martin, and vice versa. Zimmerman had a measure of cupability when he first set foot outside of his vehicle.
FL Statute 893.03(2)
The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084."
Let's also not forget that he has already proven himself a liar.
I still believe, based upon facts presented..........Manslaughter should have been the goal by the prosecution.
That may have stuck.
I think this whole thing is a sad, sad story....I think it was a miscommunication by both...
Zimmerman was doing a job he was asked to do by the community.....he saw someone with a hoody on, walking in the rain, in-between houses, cutting in-between houses, and he was walking very leisurely...this is after several break-ins in that neighborhood.
Should have he just ignored it? In hind sight, I bet he wish he did, but he didn't. Would YOU have ignored it, had it been your neighborhood?
The bottom line is...........a 17 year old died. That sucks. Was Trayvon completely innocent? There is reasonable doubt that he was. We know he has a record too. He is NOT squeaky clean. But a young man died, and Zimmerman has to live with that for the rest of his life.
What I find MORE repulsive, is the Black Panthers put a bounty out on him.......and that is NOT the big story.
Riots are predicted IF Zimmerman is NOT found guilty.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2013, 03:09:30 PM
I think this whole thing is a sad, sad story....I think it was a miscommunication by both...
Zimmerman was doing a job he was asked to do by the community.....he saw someone with a hoody on, walking in the rain, in-between houses, cutting in-between houses, and he was walking very leisurely...this is after several break-ins in that neighborhood.
Should have he just ignored it? In hind sight, I bet he wish he did, but he didn't. Would YOU have ignored it, had it been your neighborhood?
The bottom line is...........a 17 year old died. That sucks. Was Trayvon completely innocent? There is reasonable doubt that he was. We know he has a record too. He is NOT squeaky clean. But a young man died, and Zimmerman has to live with that for the rest of his life.
What I find MORE repulsive, is the Black Panthers put a bounty out on him.......and that is NOT the big story.
Riots are predicted IF Zimmerman is NOT found guilty.
I heard that about the Black Panthers too and I think it should also be part of the "big story". That is just totally wrong because they will also be after the family or anyone who may even resemble Zimmerman.
Quote from: me on July 09, 2013, 04:35:31 PM
I heard that about the Black Panthers too and I think it should also be part of the "big story". That is just totally wrong because they will also be after the family or anyone who may even resemble Zimmerman.
That's not germane to the trial in any way, and IIRC, it was part of the big story back when they originally did that.
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 04:48:16 PM
That's not germane to the trial in any way, and IIRC, it was part of the big story back when they originally did that.
And before you tell me I'm wrong about that, here's proof:
Orlando Sentinel
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_sanford-vigilante-justice-black-men
National Public Radio
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman
The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/mar/30/doj-new-black-panther-party-zimmerman-bounty-no-co/
CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting-bounty
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 04:53:47 PM
And before you tell me I'm wrong about that, here's proof:
Orlando Sentinel
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_sanford-vigilante-justice-black-men
National Public Radio
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman
The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/mar/30/doj-new-black-panther-party-zimmerman-bounty-no-co/
CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting-bounty
It was news for a day or two....then it went away. My point is, Obama was spouting his mouth off when this happened, claiming if he had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon....which he should have NEVER butted his big mouth into this case in the first place....THEN, when the BP's make a claim as they did, ..... silence by him and our AG.
I know it has NOTHING to do with the trial....I am just saying that Zimmermans life IS screwed no mater what the outcome is.
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 04:53:47 PM
And before you tell me I'm wrong about that, here's proof:
Orlando Sentinel
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_sanford-vigilante-justice-black-men
National Public Radio
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman
The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/mar/30/doj-new-black-panther-party-zimmerman-bounty-no-co/
CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting-bounty
They have claimed that there will be riots if Zimmerman is acquitted recently too.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2013, 04:58:08 PM
It was news for a day or two....then it went away. My point is, Obama was spouting his mouth off when this happened, claiming if he had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon....which he should have NEVER butted his big mouth into this case in the first place....THEN, when the BP's make a claim as they did, ..... silence by him and our AG.
I know it has NOTHING to do with the trial....I am just saying that Zimmermans life IS screwed no mater what the outcome is.
What about these other people "spouting their mouth off?" You have any problem with them, or just Obama? :rolleyes:
Newt Gingrich"I think Americans can recognize that while this is a tragedy -- and it is a tragedy -- that we're going to relentlessly seek justice, and I think that's the right thing to do," Gingrich said.
Asked about the Stand Your Ground law, he said, "The young man apparently was not following the person who's being investigated. Apparently, the shooter was following the young man. That's not a stand your own ground, that's a chase the other person into their ground. And I think you're going to find the law, as interpreted normally, doesn't apply to this case."
Allen WestI have sat back and allowed myself time to assess the current episode revealing itself in Sanford, Florida involving the shooting of 17-year-old Treyvon Martin. First of all, if all that has been reported is accurate, the Sanford Police Chief should be relieved of his duties due to what appears to be a mishandling of this shooting in its early stages. The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him....against the direction of the 911 responder. Let's all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason. I have signed a letter supporting a DOJ investigation. I am not heading to Sanford to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences. This is an outrage.
Mitt Romney"What happened to Trayvon Martin is a tragedy. There needs to be a thorough investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity," Mitt Romney said in a statement.
Rick SantorumRick Santorum said the shooting was "horrible" and a "chilling example of the horrible decisions made by people in this process."
"Stand Your Ground is not doing what this man did," Santorum said, adding that he believes the Justice Department should leave the matter to local and state authorities.
Condoleeza Rice"Well, first of all, it's a great tragedy," Condoleezza Rice told Andrea Mitchell. "This young man has been deprived of life and that's an enormous tragedy. And we all should have prayers and for his family and for those who are left behind. So it's a great tragedy. That's the first thing to say. Secondly, I've always said that obviously, we are not a race blind society. We aspire to be one, we work toward it, we've gotten better, but we are not yet. But I'm not going to comment on the legal aspects of this case because as I understand it, the Justice Department is looking into it, local authorities are looking into it, and I certainly hope that justice will be done here and due process accorded. But I'm not going to comment on the legal aspects of this. I'm not competent to do so."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/obama-trayvon-martin_n_1375083.html#slide=809237
Quote from: me on July 09, 2013, 05:10:25 PM
They have claimed that there will be riots if Zimmerman is acquitted recently too.
Well Fox News claims a lot of crap that isn't true in an effort to stir up the shit amongst the clueless.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2013, 04:58:08 PM
I know it has NOTHING to do with the trial....I am just saying that Zimmermans life IS screwed no mater what the outcome is.
I agree. If he skates, he'll have to leave Florida. There's no way he stays in this state.
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 05:12:34 PM
What about these other people "spouting their mouth off?" You have any problem with them, or just Obama? :rolleyes:
Newt Gingrich
"I think Americans can recognize that while this is a tragedy -- and it is a tragedy -- that we're going to relentlessly seek justice, and I think that's the right thing to do," Gingrich said.
Asked about the Stand Your Ground law, he said, "The young man apparently was not following the person who's being investigated. Apparently, the shooter was following the young man. That's not a stand your own ground, that's a chase the other person into their ground. And I think you're going to find the law, as interpreted normally, doesn't apply to this case."
Allen West
I have sat back and allowed myself time to assess the current episode revealing itself in Sanford, Florida involving the shooting of 17-year-old Treyvon Martin. First of all, if all that has been reported is accurate, the Sanford Police Chief should be relieved of his duties due to what appears to be a mishandling of this shooting in its early stages. The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him....against the direction of the 911 responder. Let's all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason. I have signed a letter supporting a DOJ investigation. I am not heading to Sanford to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences. This is an outrage.
Mitt Romney
"What happened to Trayvon Martin is a tragedy. There needs to be a thorough investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity," Mitt Romney said in a statement.
Rick Santorum
Rick Santorum said the shooting was "horrible" and a "chilling example of the horrible decisions made by people in this process."
"Stand Your Ground is not doing what this man did," Santorum said, adding that he believes the Justice Department should leave the matter to local and state authorities.
Condoleeza Rice
"Well, first of all, it's a great tragedy," Condoleezza Rice told Andrea Mitchell. "This young man has been deprived of life and that's an enormous tragedy. And we all should have prayers and for his family and for those who are left behind. So it's a great tragedy. That's the first thing to say. Secondly, I've always said that obviously, we are not a race blind society. We aspire to be one, we work toward it, we've gotten better, but we are not yet. But I'm not going to comment on the legal aspects of this case because as I understand it, the Justice Department is looking into it, local authorities are looking into it, and I certainly hope that justice will be done here and due process accorded. But I'm not going to comment on the legal aspects of this. I'm not competent to do so."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/obama-trayvon-martin_n_1375083.html#slide=809237
Are you taking issue with what these people said or that they said anything at all?
Quote from: Anne on July 09, 2013, 06:15:59 PM
Are you taking issue with what these people said or that they said anything at all?
Not at all. I don't have a problem with what any of them said. Henry made a comment about Obama "spouting off his mouth" and I was pointing out to him that other politicians did the exact same thing, and was wondering why he singled out Obama for criticism.
OK, I wondered if I was misreading something.
Quote from: Anne on July 09, 2013, 06:20:49 PM
OK, I wondered if I was misreading something.
;D
Those other people are NOT the POTUS.....BIG difference. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 05:14:49 PM
Well Fox News claims a lot of crap that isn't true in an effort to stir up the shit amongst the clueless.
And why would you assume I heard that on Fox news? I was in McDonald's in another city when I heard it last week. They had CNN on not Fox. :razz:
Quote from: me on July 09, 2013, 07:22:05 PM
And why would you assume I heard that on Fox news? I was in McDonald's in another city when I heard it last week. They had CNN on not Fox. :razz:
Because your postings on this forum have spoken volumes over the years. :razz: :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2013, 06:43:49 PM
Those other people are NOT the POTUS.....BIG difference. :yes:
What's the difference in politicians of different persuasions commenting on this incident, and why single out Obama for criticism?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2013, 02:51:59 PM
I still believe, based upon facts presented..........Manslaughter should have been the goal by the prosecution.
That may have stuck.
One more point along this line. Florida law allows for involuntary manslaughter to be a lesser included offense to a charge of second degree murder. A separate formal charge is not required. The prosecution can ask the judge to instruct the jury to consider if the evidence supports an involuntary manslaughter conviction if they can't convict on the second degree murder charge for whatever reason(s).
News reports are claiming that the defense will rest tomorrow so the jury may get the case by the end of the week.
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 08:49:06 PM
What's the difference in politicians of different persuasions commenting on this incident, and why single out Obama for criticism?
I think THEY are wrong too...
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 08:47:29 PM
Because your postings on this forum have spoken volumes over the years. :razz: :yes:
Then you'd better turn the volume up 'cause it doesn't always come from Fox and, although you'd never admit it, there are times when Fox has ended up being correct on things.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 09, 2013, 09:21:22 PM
I think THEY are wrong too...
Well that's fair enough then. At least you're consistent. ;D
So no politicians should have offered any opinions whatsoever. I'm okay with that position too, just as I'm okay with what all of the ones cited above said.
Quote from: me on July 09, 2013, 09:21:59 PM
Then you'd better turn the volume up 'cause it doesn't always come from Fox and, although you'd never admit it, there are times when Fox has ended up being correct on things.
I'm neither turning up the volume on Fox nor on any of your posts. I don't feel like being "dumbed down." :razz:
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 09:33:44 PM
I'm neither turning up the volume on Fox nor on any of your posts. I don't feel like being "dumbed down." :razz:
Guess you're content to stay a sheeple then huh? I suppose R. Madcow and C. Mathews are your idols.
Quote from: me on July 09, 2013, 11:03:40 PM
Guess you're content to stay a sheeple then huh? I suppose R. Madcow and C. Mathews are your idols.
Please! I would stack my intellect up against anyone who claims they can't grow grapes in England. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 11:09:14 PM
Please! I would stack my intellect up against anyone who claims they can't grow grapes in England. :rolleyes:
That was couldn't at one time and it was correct. I just missed by a few thousand years is all. :razz:
Quote from: Locutus on July 09, 2013, 08:56:27 PM
One more point along this line. Florida law allows for involuntary manslaughter to be a lesser included offense to a charge of second degree murder. A separate formal charge is not required. The prosecution can ask the judge to instruct the jury to consider if the evidence supports an involuntary manslaughter conviction if they can't convict on the second degree murder charge for whatever reason(s).
News reports are claiming that the defense will rest tomorrow so the jury may get the case by the end of the week.
I was going to interject this very point into this "dialog"; but I am glad that I chose to read on before I did so.
The jury has the option to consider the lesser charge if they are so instructed. I am betting they are indeed so instructed; especially given the poor excuse of a case I have seen from both sides to this point. (Granted I have not by any stretch of the imagination seen it all).
And someone posted about some "nationally recognized forensic firearms expert" testifying today. That would make him / her a defense "witness" and a paid for testimony witness as well. I'm just saying. . .
On Monday, the Broward County Sheriff's Office released a video (http://www.sheriff.org/posts/post.cfm?id=bf1326e0-d238-0577-7446-a3a4ca5438d3) calling on the public not to riot in the wake of the George Zimmerman verdict, expected this week or next in Florida. The Sheriff's Office released a statement explaining that it was "working closely with the Sanford Police Department and other local law enforcement agencies" to coordinate "a response plan in anticipation of the verdict."
LOL! I'd like to see Florida's blue-hair nation riot.
Of the 18 million persons in the state 5 million are over the age of 50, and 4 million are under the age of 17.
What, are they going to throw canes, walkers, and baby rattles? Set their iPods and smartphones on fire?
:biggrin:
http://edr.state.fl.us/Content/population-demographics/data/Pop_Census_Day.pdf (http://edr.state.fl.us/Content/population-demographics/data/Pop_Census_Day.pdf)
Face it, the majority of Floridians are more likely to be sitting in their homes / apartments grumbling amongst themselves about whatever pisses them off about this case; if they even care about it more than as a passing interest.
And the remainder are going to spark up and crank up the tunes while sitting on one of the beaches with an adult beverage.
That means half the state (9 MILLION) is between 18 and 49........what is your point with that?
We will see how funny it is........I hope you are right though.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 10, 2013, 11:23:37 AM
That means half the state (9 MILLION) is between 18 and 49........what is your point with that?
We will see how funny it is........I hope you are right though.
Guess the thought of the people coming to the state to do the rioting hasn't occurred to him. The Panther's do own cars and some can even afford plane tickets.
Quote from: me on July 10, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Guess the thought of the people coming to the state to do the rioting hasn't occurred to him. The Panther's do own cars and some can even afford plane tickets.
Guess you just do not have any optimism what-so-ever within your genetic makeup do you. Now there's a fuggin surprise. :rolleyes:
Funny how you are focusing on persons of color in your redress postings. Profile much?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 10, 2013, 11:56:51 AM
Funny how you are focusing on persons of color in your redress postings. Profile much?
Yeah I've been noticing that too. She probably thinks the Obamas brought their Chicago chef to the White House so he can fix them fried chicken and watermelon. :roll eyes:
Quote from: me on July 10, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
Guess the thought of the people coming to the state to do the rioting hasn't occurred to him. The Panther's do own cars and some can even afford plane tickets.
So why don't the over 1,200 militias in this nation all hop into their trucks and cars and go on down to Florida too?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 10, 2013, 11:56:51 AM
Guess you just do not have any optimism what-so-ever within your genetic makeup do you. Now there's a fuggin surprise. :rolleyes:
Funny how you are focusing on persons of color in your redress postings. Profile much?
Oh, I'm sorry, the Panther's are a peace loving group of blacks that are striving for peace and they would never do anything like that. Only whites can be prejudice and riot in the streets because a black on white trial didn't turn out to their liking. You are getting so beyond ridiculous with this racist thing it's pathetic. The Black Panther's are black, fact. They have said they will riot if Zimmerman is acquitted, fact. Where is the racism in mentioning that?
The media isn't doing anyone any favors by speculating as to the possibility of riots either.
Quote from: Locutus on July 10, 2013, 12:57:33 PM
The media isn't doing anyone any favors by speculating as to the possibility of riots either.
The media, imo, is to BLAME for the tensions that were created when this first happened.
But there IS indeed a history of such incidents to occur after such a trial....
I hope and pray, there will be NO violence. I understand protests, but never, ever is violence a solution.
The defense rested its case this afternoon. From what I read, the prosecution has requested that the jury be instructed that they can consider manslaughter if they can't convict on the second degree murder charge.
The jury should have the case by Friday afternoon. Since they are sequestered, they will deliberate throughout the weekend.
Quote from: me on July 10, 2013, 12:31:54 PM
Oh, I'm sorry, the Panther's are a peace loving group of blacks that are striving for peace and they would never do anything like that. Only whites can be prejudice and riot in the streets because a black on white trial didn't turn out to their liking. You are getting so beyond ridiculous with this racist thing it's pathetic. The Black Panther's are black, fact. They have said they will riot if Zimmerman is acquitted, fact. Where is the racism in mentioning that?
So are those 1,200+ militias scattered about this country; comprised of male white Anarchists chomping at the bit for a reason to loose the dogs of war upon this nation.
Now show me where I said the Black Panthers were
anything!? Those 1,200 militias have them outmanned and out gunned in any case. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 10, 2013, 11:56:51 AM
Guess you just do not have any optimism what-so-ever within your genetic makeup do you. Now there's a fuggin surprise. :rolleyes:
Funny how you are focusing on persons of color in your redress postings. Profile much?
This is what prompted my reply.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 10, 2013, 11:55:38 PM
So are those 1,200+ militias scattered about this country; comprised of male white Anarchists chomping at the bit for a reason to loose the dogs of war upon this nation.
Now show me where I said the Black Panthers were anything!? Those 1,200 militias have them outmanned and out gunned in any case. . .
Quote from: me on July 10, 2013, 11:58:02 PM
This is what prompted my reply.
I call them as I see them. You are indeed focusing upon people of color within your rebuttals, and then want to cry when you are called out on it.
If it walks, quacks, and waddles like a duck; a duck it is!
Quote from: Locutus on July 10, 2013, 10:36:37 PM
The defense rested its case this afternoon. From what I read, the prosecution has requested that the jury be instructed that they can consider manslaughter if they can't convict on the second degree murder charge.
The jury should have the case by Friday afternoon. Since they are sequestered, they will deliberate throughout the weekend.
And the defense objected immediately, saying it was murder two or nothing. . . :rolleyes:
I bet the jury doesn't get the case until Monday; Saturday at best.
Both sides have 3 hours of jabbering to do, each, between their closing arguments and redirects; and the prosecution has a rebuttal witness in the wings and the defense will want to counter that too, watch. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 11, 2013, 12:01:38 AM
I call them as I see them. You are indeed focusing upon people of color within your rebuttals, and then want to cry when you are called out on it.
If it walks, quacks, and waddles like a duck; a duck it is!
And the defense objected immediately, saying it was murder two or nothing. . . :rolleyes:
I bet the jury doesn't get the case until Monday; Saturday at best.
Both sides have 3 hours of jabbering to do, each, between their closing arguments and redirects; and the prosecution has a rebuttal witness in the wings and the defense will want to counter that too, watch. . .
So are you saying I can no longer mention the Black Panthers in a derogatory way or at all because they happen to be black? That is what prompted your remark after all.
The judge has ruled that the jury can consider manslaughter if they can't convict on the second degree murder charge.
Quote from: me on July 11, 2013, 08:12:37 AM
So are you saying I can no longer mention the Black Panthers in a derogatory way or at all because they happen to be black? That is what prompted your remark after all.
Nope. Wrong again. . .
It is the whole of your responses throughout this forum that is the cornerstone of my position. It isn't just the "Black Panthers" you are currently trying to utilize as a lever. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 11, 2013, 11:29:36 AM
Nope. Wrong again. . .
It is the whole of your responses throughout this forum that is the cornerstone of my position. It isn't just the "Black Panthers" you are currently trying to utilize as a lever. . .
Hum, liberals can say nasty things about black conservatives and that's ok but if a conservative disagrees with a black liberal they are racist, referring to Cain, Rice, Powell, (before he started liking Obama), Clarence, and other black politicians here. Seems to be something wrong with that picture to me.
Quote from: me on July 11, 2013, 11:55:17 AM
Hum, liberals can say nasty things about black conservatives and that's ok but if a conservative disagrees with a black liberal they are racist, referring to Cain, Rice, Powell, (before he started liking Obama), Clarence, and other black politicians here. Seems to be something wrong with that picture to me.
How many ways does it have to be explained to you? It isn't just one or two statements, but rather the conglomeration of all of the statements and positions you assume that condemn you and provide others with the perception of you being a racist!
Quote from: Palehorse on July 11, 2013, 12:00:59 PM
How many ways does it have to be explained to you? It isn't just one or two statements, but rather the conglomeration of all of the statements and positions you assume that condemn you and provide others with the perception of you being a racist!
And how many times do I have to explain to you disagreeing with someone is not being racist it is just disagreeing with someone. Liberals are the ones making it about color to browbeat conservatives into submission and keep their flock in line and you're all falling for it hook line and sinker. Open your eyes for pete's sake. If a black conservative runs for president you'd better not disagree with him or bad mouth his policies because that would make you a racist.
Here is an opinion piece by Juan Williams that sums up this case - for me. I like the way he looks at it.
'Crackers,' a 'teenage mammy' -- the sorry truth about race and Zimmerman trial
"White Hispanics," "Creepy-Ass Crackers," "Teenage Mammies," and "Suspicious A--holes who always get away" -- that is the vernacular of the George Zimmerman trial.
George Zimmerman faces life in jail as a jury considers second-degree murder charges against him for killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. But thanks to the media he is already sentenced to life in the American public's mind as a racist.
NBC edited a tape of Zimmerman's call to police as he was following Martin to make him appear to be focused on Martin's race.
The New York Times has referred to him in unique racial terms as a "white Hispanic." The terminology was necessary to have the story fit into a well-worn news narrative throughout American history from the Scottsboro Boys to Emmett Till to Rodney King – the black victim of white racism. Hispanic people can be as racist as black or white people in a country with a deep history of racism. But, apparently for the Times, Zimmerman's whiteness was important. It fit their good versus evil tale of a white racist killing an innocent black man.
In June, before the trial started, a CNN poll asked Americans if they believed the murder charges against Zimmerman were true or false. Without any courtroom testimony or evidence, but based on the racially charged media coverage, 62 percent of Americans said the charges were "probably true" or "definitely true."
My bet is that poll would have different results today. The trial has failed to prove Zimmerman acted with a "depraved mind" – as required for a second-degree murder conviction – or even with a racist mind. He certainly killed Martin. And the jury may decide he is guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter. But what we heard in the courtroom fits with an FBI report that found race was not a factor in Martin's shooting death.
The strong public judgment of Zimmerman's guilt in the poll reflected a racially weighted media telling of the story. Photos of a bloodied Zimmerman after the incident, Zimmerman's claim of self-defense and the police decision not to charge Zimmerman all got a dismissive glance from the press and contributed to public assumptions about Zimmerman before the trial.
Liberal and conservative news TV and radio have played to the racial theme, too. The left, notably Rev. Al Sharpton, have made the case a crusade for racial justice. The right-wing media, especially talk radio, has responded by making Zimmerman a hero. In fact, Zimmerman's lawyer, Mark O'Mara, created an online site that attracted more than $145,000 from people who somehow made Zimmerman into their champion, possibly their great white hero.
The national focus on race in this case hit a high point when Rachel Jeantel, a 19-year-old student, testified that she spoke with Martin just before he was killed. Jeantel, Martin's friend, told the court that Martin complained that a "man was just watching him." And Martin described this man, Jeantel said, as a "creepy, white, excuse my language, cracker --- creepy-ass cracker."
Jeantel's testimony set off a stupid debate, requiring total ignorance of slavery and legal segregation, about the equivalence of blacks using "cracker" to describe whites, versus whites using the word "******" to describe blacks.
And Jeantel's physical appearance, as a dark, heavyset young woman, speaking with a Southern dialect as she gave the lawyers a lot of attitude with her curt answers, contributed to the racial view of the case.
She became the "teenage mammy (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/us/zimmerman-case-has-race-as-a-backdrop-but-you-wont-hear-it-in-court.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0)," in the words of a sociology professor quoted in the New York Times, caricatured for "not being smart and using these racial slurs and not being the best witness."
And now the media, especially the conservative outlets, are fixated on the possibility of race riots if Zimmerman is acquitted. Meanwhile, Twitter and other social media sites are full of threats from angry black people to kill Zimmerman if he is not held accountable by a jury for killing Martin.
Martin, the 17-year-old, is dead. But he has not escaped the racial slander attached to this case. Zimmerman's backers note that Martin had smoked marijuana – as if that is unusual among American teenagers. They seem delighted to find online messages in which he took on a rapper, street-thug persona and posed as a tough guy.
These are all caricatures of two real people caught in a tragedy.
Zimmerman should have listened to the 911 emergency dispatch operator who told him to stop following Martin.
Why did he have a gun if he was simply part of a neighborhood watch program?
He had no basis to suspect Martin of any crime. So why does he describe Martin as "suspicious" to police?
Why does he apparently lump Martin with people he describes as "these a--holes, they always get away. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/02/us/trayvon-martin-shooting-prompts-a-review-of-ideals.html?pagewanted=5&sq=trayvon%20martin&st=cse&scp=3)"
Why didn't Martin just walk away from Zimmerman?
But Martin is dead. He can't speak for himself and get beyond the box of racial stereotypes the media built for him.
Zimmerman is alive. He has chosen not to speak at his trial, and although the prosecution played an interview he did with Fox News' Sean Hannity, it is still no match for skipping an ideal chance to tell his story when everyone is listening in the courtroom and on television.
Now, no matter what the verdict, he is going to carry his box of racial stereotypes around until his death. His identity will always be as a want-to-be cop who trailed a black kid who was not doing anything wrong, got in a fight with him, pulled out a gun and killed him.
Ultimately, it is the job of the media to give straight, objective coverage of any story.
Whatever the final verdict on Zimmerman, the media is clearly guilty of playing on the most primitive racial divisions in our society to fuel racial animosity and boost ratings.
There are no winners here.
I don't think the state of Florida has made the case for second degree murder. He's going to skate on that charge. That said, he's already proven that he's a liar (remember the bond amount debacle), and has some culpability in what happened by setting his foot outside his vehicle contrary to what the 911 operator instructed him to do.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2013, 01:58:35 PM
I don't think the state of Florida has made the case for second degree murder. He's going to skate on that charge. That said, he's already proven that he's a liar (remember the bond amount debacle), and has some culpability in what happened by setting his foot outside his vehicle contrary to what the 911 operator instructed him to do.
Lying does not equal guilt. People lie all the time. He was being threatened by the Black Panthers, Al Sharpton and the media had it out for him.....so MAYBE he did lie. Maybe he DID make some stupid mistakes. That is NOT a crime, in this case. That does NOT mean he MURDERED someone.
Following someone is NOT a crime. Should he have stayed in his car?
Put yourself in HIS shoes. Your neighborhood has been burglarized several times. He see's someone suspicious. He follows them, calls 911. He does NOT want him to get away. So he keeps his eye on him, until police get there. THAT is NOT a CRIME.
In hind-sight, I bet he wishes he had not experienced that whole evening. AT the most, he made a stupid mistake.
Remember too, that Martin ATTACKED him. That has been determined by experts. Evidence supports his injuries as he claimed (by an expert).
with all of that said,
I think it all SUCKS. Martin is DEAD. Zimmerman perhaps could have avoided it, but has to live with it for the rest of his life.
How abut NBC "lying" when they broadcast a "fixed" 911 audio making him sound "racist"
Quote from: Locutus on July 10, 2013, 12:57:33 PM
The media isn't doing anyone any favors by speculating as to the possibility of riots either.
I agree.... :yes: Now it is like they are "expected" to do so.
From the AP:
Police and city leaders in Florida say they have taken precautionary steps for the possibility of mass protests or even civil unrest if George Zimmerman is acquitted in the killing of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, particularly in African-American neighborhoods where passions run strongest over the case.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 01, 2013, 01:13:34 PM
This is all CNN is airing while court is in session. :mad:
19 firefighters cooked up in AZ and they are focusing on the Zimmerman trial exclusively. :rolleyes:
As for that, it really appears like the "eyewitness" testimony is inconclusive at best; lending credibility to the fact that eyewitness testimony is among the worst evidence to any incident.
IMHO the prosecution is bungling things a bit thus far, and the defense is doing the same. Minus any bombshell evidentiary articles being presented by either side, the best the prosecution is going to obtain is manslaughter on Zimmerman; and that may be tenuous at this point.
I stand by this.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2013, 03:50:12 PM
I agree.... :yes: Now it is like they are "expected" to do so.
From the AP:
Police and city leaders in Florida say they have taken precautionary steps for the possibility of mass protests or even civil unrest if George Zimmerman is acquitted in the killing of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin, particularly in African-American neighborhoods where passions run strongest over the case.
The jury will get the case tomorrow. We shall see.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2013, 11:05:58 PM
The jury will get the case tomorrow. We shall see.
I think it is going to be interesting to say the least....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2013, 11:08:08 PM
I think it is going to be interesting to say the least....
It will be. We should start an over/under pool on how long the deliberations last. ;D
I don't think it's going to take very long, although it'll be longer since they can now consider manslaughter.
I wonder if any of the jury will speak after the trial. It will be interesting to hear what their train of thought was in the jury room.
I am saying the jury will be out for 2.5 days. (+/- .5 days)
Quote from: Palehorse on July 11, 2013, 11:43:58 PM
I am saying the jury will be out for 2.5 days. (+/- .5 days)
So 2-3. :razz:
I'm going to say 1-2 days. Or in your terms, 1.5 (+/- .5 days) ;D
Quote from: Anne on July 11, 2013, 11:31:08 PM
I wonder if any of the jury will speak after the trial. It will be interesting to hear what their train of thought was in the jury room.
They may not. Unfortunately, in high profile racially charged cases such as this, the jury is put in a no win situation just as much as Zimmerman is. Remember how the Casey Anthony jury was reviled after that verdict? I think the same thing will happen here.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2013, 11:54:04 PM
They may not. Unfortunately, in high profile racially charged cases such as this, the jury is put in a no win situation just as much as Zimmerman is. Remember how the Casey Anthony jury was reviled after that verdict? I think the same thing will happen here.
That's a shame too because they have to call it as they see it and fearing for their safety if they don't rule a certain way shouldn't even have to be an issue.
Quote from: me on July 12, 2013, 12:24:49 AM
That's a shame too because they have to call it as they see it and fearing for their safety if they don't rule a certain way shouldn't even have to be an issue.
I agree. I've made no secret that I think Zimmerman has some culpability in this matter, and I know he's also a proven liar. However, if I were a member of that sworn jury, I would have to rule that the state has not made a case of second degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the standard; the state didn't meet it.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2013, 11:52:25 PM
So 2-3. :razz:
I'm going to say 1-2 days. Or in your terms, 1.5 (+/- .5 days) ;D
You have to remember, these are 6 women. There is bound to be a cat fight to determine who is the Alpha, then there will be the 1-2 out of the six that will hold it against the Alpha for a period of time and attempt to undermine her.
All of this is bound to take at minimum 1 and a 1/2 deliberation sessions to work its way out. Then, once it has, they'll actually get down to business and quickly decide that murder 2 is out of the question. Commence arguments over the requirements for manslaughter.
At least one of these 6 women is leading an alternative lifestyle, (probably the one who ended up "Alpha"), and she is automatically against manslaughter because it contains the word "man". This will take her at least 1/2 a session to eventually push out her mind, and then only due to the caterwauling of the remaining 5 women as they discuss the requirements to convict on manslaughter, and get off into the deep weeds about the fact they've been sequestered and how unfair that is. (This will send the Alpha into another mind-bending jag and will burn up another 1/4 session).
Then Alpha will finally decide all of this is bullshit, none of these 5 women are worth spending any more time with, (including the one who is curious and perhaps interested in trying the other side of the plate), and she will finally pay attention to the requirements and quickly discover that there are one or more aspects of this charge that the case they have been presented doesn't meet. Not even close. (Burning another 1/4 session).
Then it just comes down to how much time it is going to take the Alpha to impose her will on the other 5. Likely 1/2 a session.
Then they have to fill out the verdict form, which will take a bit because they will have to review each and every point two to three times before the Alpha will sign her name to it.
:rotfl:
I can't wait until when and if Sandy Eggo reads that. :icon_twisted:
:biggrin:
I'm sorry, that's fuckin' hilarious. :biggrin: :biggrin:
PH,
That may be the BEST description of what is REALLY going to happen I have heard! That is full of common sense and reasonable conclusions! ;D
also pretty dang funny..... :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 12, 2013, 01:10:34 AM
:rotfl:
I can't wait until when and if Sandy Eggo reads that. :icon_twisted:
:biggrin:
Humor cannot be found funny by everyone. However, there is another angle to it. . . :angel:
:sneaky: :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 12, 2013, 11:24:25 AM
Humor cannot be found funny by everyone. However, there is another angle to it. . . :angel:
I think it's funny and pretty much spot on too from what I've observed over the years. Not all women are like that but the ones that are sure make it hard on the rest of us. :yes:
Jurors have the case. Stay tuned!
The over/under started at 2:28 pm.
Judge Debra Nelson handed them the case at 2:28 p.m. ET after instructing them on the law. They will be sequestered until they deliver a verdict.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/politics/peacekeepers-zimmerman/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
Washington (CNN) -- A government agency long associated with efforts to mediate and diffuse tense situations in communities helped organize rallies over the killing of Florida teen Trayvon Martin last year, a conservative leaning legal advocacy group claims.
Judicial Watch circulated a press release and accompanying documents on Wednesday asserting that the Community Relations Service, a division of the Justice Department, sent a "secret team" of "peacekeepers" to Sanford, Florida, last March and April to work marches, demonstrations and rallies related to the explosive case that is now the subject of a murder trial.
Timeline of early events in Trayvon Martin case
The Justice Department did not respond to a request for comment. It instead pointed CNN to the 45-year record of CRS, which was created by a provision included in the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Ex-police chief: I upheld my oath Ex-police chief: I upheld my oath Attorney: Martin family wants justice
The CRS website describes itself as "the only federal agency dedicated to assist state and local units of government, private and public organizations, and community groups with preventing and resolving racial and ethnic tensions, incidents, and civil disorders, and in restoring racial stability and harmony."
CRS conciliators are frequently seen at large marches and rallies, and have been present at countless protests, including those that occur every four years at the Democratic and Republican political conventions.
Conservative groups have complained that the conciliators are secretive and do not talk to the media.
Ex-Sanford police chief: Zimmerman probe 'taken away from us'
The service maintains that it does not choose sides and "uses impartial mediation practices and conflict resolution procedures to help local leaders resolve problems and restore stability."
Zimmerman, 29, is accused of second-degree murder in the February 26, 2012, death of Martin, 17.
Defense attorneys argue Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense after the Miami teenager charged him. Prosecutors argue he followed Martin through his neighborhood and shot him without provocation.
Martin supporters argued Zimmerman, who is Hispanic, took advantage of what they considered loose Florida gun laws to racially profile and shoot an unarmed African-American teenager without provocation.
The incident, inflamed by a lengthy delay before charges were filed against Zimmerman, provoked protests nationwide.
Where are they for the white guy that was beaten by some blacks? http://www.youtube.com/v/n_jY4a66QSU&noredirect=1
I'm saying a verdict comes tomorrow.
Quote from: me on July 12, 2013, 01:53:28 PM
I think it's funny and pretty much spot on too from what I've observed over the years. Not all women are like that but the ones that are sure make it hard on the rest of us. :yes:
Sell-out :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 12, 2013, 11:24:25 AM
Humor cannot be found funny by everyone. However, there is another angle to it. . . :angel:
It could have been worse. It could have been all men. Imagine how it would have gone then? The argument about who has a nicer ass Beyonce or Kim Kardasian would take the better part of two weeks. Once everyone decided they'd "hit" either one, they'd all scratch their balls, flip a coin and head out for beer. :wink:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 12, 2013, 09:54:13 PM
Sell-out :rolleyes:
Sorry but gotta call it as I've seen and experienced it over the years. I did say not all women are like that though. Personally when that starts I'm out.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 12, 2013, 10:03:49 PM
It could have been worse. It could have been all men. Imagine how it would have gone then? The argument about who has a nicer ass Beyonce or Kim Kardasian would take the better part of two weeks. Once everyone decided they'd "hit" either one, they'd all scratch their balls, flip a coin and head out for beer. :wink:
Yep. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 12, 2013, 10:03:49 PM
It could have been worse. It could have been all men. Imagine how it would have gone then? The argument about who has a nicer ass Beyonce or Kim Kardasian would take the better part of two weeks. Once everyone decided they'd "hit" either one, they'd all scratch their balls, flip a coin and head out for beer. :wink:
Sandy, you are somethin' else! :lol: Thank you for a much-needed laugh.
:biggrin:
For the record, I really don't feel that way. I was having some fun at the fellas expense. My sincere hope is that the jurors logically weigh the evidence and come up with justice. My fear in any case, such as this one, that has become SO sensationalized is that a fair verdict can't be reached. That's not gender; that's our society.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 13, 2013, 04:48:54 AM
:biggrin:
For the record, I really don't feel that way. I was having some fun at the fellas expense. My sincere hope is that the jurors logically weigh the evidence and come up with justice. My fear in any case, such as this one, that has become SO sensationalized is that a fair verdict can't be reached. That's not gender; that's our society.
:yes: Well said.
Wonder if the Latino's will riot if Zimmerman is convicted. The thought just ran through my head is all.
And now its "Verdict Watch" all day long until they actually reach one. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The jury has asked for clarification on the manslaughter issue. I don't think they would have asked that unless it's going to be not guilty on the second degree murder charge.
Quote from: Locutus on July 13, 2013, 06:22:39 PM
The jury has asked for clarification on the manslaughter issue. I don't think they would have asked that unless it's going to be not guilty on the second degree murder charge.
Not guilty on all counts will be the verdict. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 13, 2013, 06:34:12 PM
Not guilty on all counts will be the verdict. . .
I agree.
I'm thinking they are trying real hard to make "manslaughter" stick....
They have reached a verdict!
Not guilty.
Yep. He walked. . .
As well he should have.
It was a proper verdict based on the evidence presented by the state. If I were a sitting juror on this case, I would have acquitted him as well.
Exactly :yes: same here
Quote from: Locutus on July 13, 2013, 10:20:31 PM
It was a proper verdict based on the evidence presented by the state. If I were a sitting juror on this case, I would have acquitted him as well.
I agree; based upon what I saw of the evidence against him.
Now, where does he go from here? He is a marked man and no matter where he goes there will be someone who wants his head. . . Seriously.
THAT I blame on the media.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 13, 2013, 10:25:31 PM
I agree; based upon what I saw of the evidence against him.
Now, where does he go from here? He is a marked man and no matter where he goes there will be someone who wants his head. . . Seriously.
THAT I blame on the media.
I 100% agree with you. Will witness relocation step in? I hope there will be no violence over this.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 13, 2013, 10:27:18 PM
I 100% agree with you. Will witness relocation step in? I hope there will be no violence over this.
I highly doubt it. He was a defendant, not a witness. Club fed don't want no scrubs.
I didn't see much of the trial, but I didn't think the state presented much of a case based on what I did see. I also hope people keep calm. The verdict is in, it is over.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 13, 2013, 10:46:42 PM
I highly doubt it. He was a defendant, not a witness. Club fed don't want no scrubs.
That is true.......yet it seems as if he is going to need some fed help to assure his safety.
Casey Anthony didn't. She's living in Cape Canaveral just south of the port. Nobody's bothering her and she had just as big of a mark on her head as Zimmerman does and from a broader spectrum of society.
Quote from: Locutus on July 13, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
Casey Anthony didn't. She's living in Cape Canaveral just south of the port. Nobody's bothering her and she had just as big of a mark on her head as Zimmerman does and from a broader spectrum of society.
Very good point....
Off topic, but here she is on the beach in Cape Canaveral, FL.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/29/article-2270254-173CE79F000005DC-769_634x444.jpg)
We will see. I hope he returns to a normal life. He still has to live with taking a young man's life. That alone is something that would haunt most people.
Indeed. This is something that he'll carry with him, and for which he'll be judged by different people/groups, for the remainder of his life regardless of the positive outcome of the criminal case.
Same with Casey Anthony.
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2013, 11:52:25 PM
I'm going to say 1-2 days. Or in your terms, 1.5 (+/- .5 days) ;D
^^
:razz:
How much $$ did you win? lol...
I wonder if Vegas actually had odds on this?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 13, 2013, 11:52:54 PM
How much $$ did you win? lol...
I wonder if Vegas actually had odds on this?
That's up to the Horse. :biggrin:
Vegas has odds on
everything! :yes: ;D
;D
I am outta here......have a good night. :yes:
G'night HH! See you later!
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2013, 12:02:24 AM
That's up to the Horse. :biggrin:
Vegas has odds on everything! :yes: ;D
Humm. . . guess in all the excitement we forgot to set the terms. . .
I'll "pony" up a few brewskis and a pizza next time we meet up in Chicago. 8)
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2013, 12:17:05 AM
Humm. . . guess in all the excitement we forgot to set the terms. . .
I'll "pony" up a few brewskis and a pizza next time we meet up in Chicago. 8)
Excellent idea!! You got a deal! :yes: :food4:
Next come the civil suits for wrongful death and civil rights violations. As we saw with the OJ trial, this guy's life is far from "free", and he will be insolvent within a few weeks. Remember, once he is found guilty in a civil suit they can take everything he has and everything he will have. . . other than his freedom.
Yep!
The NAACP is calling on the DOJ to open a civil rights case against Zimmerman as well.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2013, 12:04:02 PM
Next come the civil suits for wrongful death and civil rights violations. As we saw with the OJ trial, this guy's life is far from "free", and he will be insolvent within a few weeks. Remember, once he is found guilty in a civil suit they can take everything he has and everything he will have. . . other than his freedom.
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2013, 12:55:35 PM
Yep!
The NAACP is calling on the DOJ to open a civil rights case against Zimmerman as well.
I don't think they'll get far with that, or I hope they don't since that means even more racial tension because they keep referring to it as a white on black thing rather than Latino on black.
I wish I had time to comment more but I've appointed myself neighborhood watch captain, strapped on a gun and am busy enjoying my constitutional right to follow teenage girls around the neighborhood. They're wearing tight little shorts so I'm pretty sure they must be prostitutes.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2013, 03:19:10 PM
I wish I had time to comment more but I've appointed myself neighborhood watch captain, strapped on a gun and am busy enjoying my constitutional right to follow teenage girls around the neighborhood. They're wearing tight little shorts so I'm pretty sure they must be prostitutes.
Exactly.
I hope Zimmerman has to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes and I hope someone gets him. :yes: :mad:
Now all you have to do is when you kill someone is, to be alone, in the dark, hit your head on the concrete a few times. Hit yourself in the nose and face a few times and claim stand your ground and self defence. :rant:
For this asshole killed a kid coming back from the candy store with some candy and a cold drink. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on July 14, 2013, 07:33:17 PM
I hope Zimmerman has to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes and I hope someone gets him. :yes: :mad:
Now all you have to do is when you kill someone is, to be alone, in the dark, hit your head on the concrete a few times. Hit yourself in the nose and face a few times and claim stand your ground and self defence. :rant:
For this asshole killed a kid coming back from the candy store with some candy and a cold drink. :rant:
are you really stupid enough to think this way?
Yes dumbass. You Republican Authoritarians think you have the power to do anything you want to other people and it's alright and I say bullshit to you Asshole. : :rant:
Zimmerman killed a kid. It's just like stepping into a lions cage after everyone tells you not to. You get in, the lion corners you and you shoot and kill it claiming self defense. :doh: That's how you think dummy.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2013, 03:19:10 PM
I wish I had time to comment more but I've appointed myself neighborhood watch captain, strapped on a gun and am busy enjoying my constitutional right to follow teenage girls around the neighborhood. They're wearing tight little shorts so I'm pretty sure they must be prostitutes.
Be sure to carry your gun just in case ....
Quote from: The Troll on July 14, 2013, 07:33:17 PM
I hope Zimmerman has to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes and I hope someone gets him. :yes: :mad:
Now all you have to do is when you kill someone is, to be alone, in the dark, hit your head on the concrete a few times. Hit yourself in the nose and face a few times and claim stand your ground and self defence. :rant:
For this asshole killed a kid coming back from the candy store with some candy and a cold drink. :rant:
Okay. I'm going to play devil's advocate. Troll has a point. Since when do volunteer neighborhood watch people carry guns? Zimmerman got out of his car and followed a young black male wearing a hoodie who was talking on the phone after the police advised him not to, and ended up killing him.
Would he have done the same thing if the young male wearing the hoodie had been white?
Quote from: libby on July 14, 2013, 11:03:08 PM
Be sure to carry your gun just in case ....
Guess I'm sleepier than I thought. Just noticed Exterminator had already strapped on his gun.
Quote from: libby on July 14, 2013, 11:31:46 PM
Okay. I'm going to play devil's advocate. Troll has a point. Since when do volunteer neighborhood watch people carry guns? Zimmerman got out of his car and followed a young black male wearing a hoodie who was talking on the phone after the police advised him not to, and ended up killing him.
Would he have done the same thing if the young male wearing the hoodie had been white?
Zimmerman is Latino/Hispanid not white and I would imagine he's been profiled by whites himself so why would he profile anyone? Why is everyone insisting on making this a white on black thing?
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 01:23:39 AM
Zimmerman is Latino/Hispanid not white and I would imagine he's been profiled by whites himself so why would he profile anyone? Why is everyone insisting on making this a white on black thing?
It's long past my bedtime, so I won't address the "white on black," but do have something to say about Zimmerman being Hispanic: the surname Zimmerman is of German-Jewish origin (Zimmermann).
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 01:23:39 AM
Zimmerman is Latino/Hispanid not white and I would imagine he's been profiled by whites himself so why would he profile anyone? Why is everyone insisting on making this a white on black thing?
This argument is illogical. Racism isn't exclusive to "white" people.
Quote from: libby on July 14, 2013, 11:31:46 PM
Okay. I'm going to play devil's advocate. Troll has a point. Since when do volunteer neighborhood watch people carry guns? Zimmerman got out of his car and followed a young black male wearing a hoodie who was talking on the phone after the police advised him not to, and ended up killing him.
Would he have done the same thing if the young male wearing the hoodie had been white?
Libby, I think he would, anyone walking around like that at night would be suspicious, especially in a neighborhood that had a problem with breakins. We will never know for sure because it didn't happen that way so speculation is useless. I think most people agree that he should not have left his car. As far as carrying a gun, a lot of people do on a regular basis.
Quote from: libby on July 15, 2013, 02:46:03 AM
It's long past my bedtime, so I won't address the "white on black," but do have something to say about Zimmerman being Hispanic: the surname Zimmerman is of German-Jewish origin (Zimmermann).
His mother is hispanic, so he is bi-racial, just like President Obama.
Here's a link to a Wikipedia page that contains the audio file of the complete exchange Zimmerman had with the police dispatcher. It lasts about 4 minutes and 11 seconds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trayvon_Martin_Shooting_Call1.ogg
Quote from: libby on July 14, 2013, 11:31:46 PM
Okay. I'm going to play devil's advocate. Troll has a point. Since when do volunteer neighborhood watch people carry guns?
I don't know the answer to that, do you? I do know that it is not against the law to carry a gun, as long as you have a permit. It is also not against the law to follow someone in such a manner as Zimmerman did.
According to a Jury, he was attacked by Martin.
The only reason this is BIG news, is because the Media made it this way. This should have NEVER even went to court. The original Chief of Police in Sanford said there was NOT enough evidence to take this to court. He has been prove to be correct. He was fired due to the public outrage spurred on by the Media, our POTUS, Black Panthers, Al Sharpton and such. It is THEY who made this a "racial" thing. They (the city of Sanford) hired a 'yes man' to take over the Chief of Police...to keep the media off of their backs.
That is the plain and simple truth.
Again, I'll say that I would have acquitted Zimmerman based on the evidence had I been on the jury. The state just didn't make the case beyond a reasonable doubt.
However, I find it a bit sickening that in the lead up to the trial, Zimmerman's supporters were saying that he's innocent until proven guilty, and that's true. The bad thing is that Zimmerman expected to be presumed innocent by the public and the courts, but he didn't afford Trayvon Martin that same presumption on the night he profiled him (either racially, criminally, or both), followed him, confronted him, and ended up shooting him. He presumed Martin to be guilty of a crime when all he was guilty of was buying Skittles and a drink. And Trayvon Martin died because of it.
Think about it.
Quote from: Locutus on July 15, 2013, 11:01:21 AM
Again, I'll say that I would have acquitted Zimmerman based on the evidence had I been on the jury. The state just didn't make the case beyond a reasonable doubt.
However, I find it a bit sickening that in the lead up to the trial, Zimmerman's supporters were saying that he's innocent until proven guilty, and that's true. The bad thing is that Zimmerman expected to be presumed innocent by the public and the courts, but he didn't afford Trayvon Martin that same presumption on the night he profiled him (either racially, criminally, or both), followed him, confronted him, and ended up shooting him. He presumed Martin to be guilty of a crime when all he was guilty of was buying Skittles and a drink. And Trayvon Martin died because of it.
Think about it.
I completely understand you point. As I have said several times before...I think the whole thing sucks! I also fully believe that Zimmerman takes NO pleasure in the results of his actions...and will live with this for the rest of his life.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2013, 10:54:33 AM
. . . It is also not against the law to follow someone in such a manner as Zimmerman did. . .
Stalking. . .
Add to this the fact he was instructed NOT to get out of his vehicle by law enforcement, and you have yet another violation of the law. One which should have brought charges; disobeying a law enforcement officer.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2013, 11:03:33 AM
I completely understand you point. As I have said several times before...I think the whole thing sucks! I also fully believe that Zimmerman takes NO pleasure in the results of his actions...and will live with this for the rest of his life.
Possibly, but he did tell Sean Hannity one night that he didn't regret his actions, and that he wouldn't have done anything differently if he had the chance to do it over again. Although that was before the trial, and he may have had legal reasons for answering in that manner, I think that speaks somewhat to his character.
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 01:23:39 AM
Zimmerman is Latino/Hispanid not white and I would imagine he's been profiled by whites himself so why would he profile anyone? Why is everyone insisting on making this a white on black thing?
Its a race thing. Blacks and Hispanics hold an incredible amount of animosity toward one another because of race.
Just ask the Black P-Stone Nation and Latin Kings.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2013, 12:03:00 PM
Its a race thing. Blacks and Hispanics hold an incredible amount of animosity toward one another because of race.
Just ask the Black P-Stone Nation and Latin Kings.
Problem is they, Jackson and Sharpton, are making it a white on black thing.
Quote from: Locutus on July 15, 2013, 11:06:08 AM
Possibly, but he did tell Sean Hannity one night that he didn't regret his actions, and that he wouldn't have done anything differently if he had the chance to do it over again. Although that was before the trial, and he may have had legal reasons for answering in that manner, I think that speaks somewhat to his character.
He was not referring to the shooting.
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 12:10:48 PM
Problem is they, Jackson and Sharpton, are making it a white on black thing. He was not referring to the shooting.
Why do you keep trying to ascribe blame to everyone or anyone other than Zimmerman?
He most certainly was referring to the shooting. Even his own brother said so just this weekend on CNN.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2013, 12:31:03 PM
Why do you keep trying to ascribe blame to everyone or anyone other than Zimmerman?
He most certainly was referring to the shooting. Even his own brother said so just this weekend on CNN.
Black on white or Hispanic crimes are never mentioned, or rarely mentioned, on the news. Where are Jackson and Sharpton for these? This is being chosen by them to create unrest period. If they can't keep things stirred up they are not needed. That is what irritates me about the whole thing. This should have never made national news or put Zimmerman and his entire family at risk like it has done. For that matter anyone who even resembles Zimmerman is at risk of being targeted.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2013, 11:04:14 AM
Stalking. . .
Add to this the fact he was instructed NOT to get out of his vehicle by law enforcement, and you have yet another violation of the law. One which should have brought charges; disobeying a law enforcement officer.
Well first of all, you are wrong.
He was NEVER instructed to NOT get out of his vehicle. That is a lie.
It went like this:
DispatcherAre you following him?
Zimmerman
Yeah.
Dispatcher
Ok, we don't
need you to do that.
That is it! Never ONCE was he instructed to STAY in his vehicle.
He broke NO law.
If I am wrong...prove it.
Also, I do not think a 911 dispatcher has the authority to tell someone that they can or cannot do. They can advise, but they are not sworn in law enforcement official.s
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 12:10:48 PM
He was not referring to the shooting.
WTF??? How in the hell can he be asked a question like that from Sean Hannity and you draw a conclusion that he wasn't talking about the shooting? Secondly, how could he answer a question like that and exclude the shooting from the answer? :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 15, 2013, 11:06:08 AM
Possibly, but he did tell Sean Hannity one night that he didn't regret his actions, and that he wouldn't have done anything differently if he had the chance to do it over again. Although that was before the trial, and he may have had legal reasons for answering in that manner, I think that speaks somewhat to his character.
He also backtracked after that and stated:
"I do want to tell everyone I'm sorry that this happened," he said. "I hate to think that because of this incident, because of my actions, it has polarized, divided America."He also said on Hannity's show that:
"I do wish there was something, anything, I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life." I also think that speaks volumns about his charactor
stalking? really? :rolleyes:
How many "stalkers" notify the police while they are "stalking?"
Just because somebody walks up to someone to find out WHAT they are up to, does NOT make one a stalker.....THAT is so much BS it is ridicules. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2013, 01:08:01 PM
Dispatcher
Are you following him?
Zimmerman
Yeah.
Dispatcher
Ok, we don't need you to do that.
That is it! Never ONCE was he instructed to STAY in his vehicle.
He broke NO law.
Just make sure you remember that, champ, if anyone is ever following your daughter around in the dark. He isn't breaking any laws and if you accost him over it, he has every right to blow you away. Of course, in that situation, it'd probably be a good idea to shoot the daughter as well so that there would be no witnesses to say that the two of you didn't attack him...I mean, he'll be bleeding by the time the police arrive and who would pistol whip himself just to support a self-defense claim? :rolleyes:
The reality of this whole situation is that Zimmerman put himself into a situation in which he ultimately ended up getting his ass whipped and rather than take the ass whipping like a man, he shot an unarmed teenager and claimed he was in fear for his life. I mean, who wouldn't be if his head was being beaten into the concrete with such force that it left two small, superficial scratches that didn't even require sutures? Zimmerman is a fucking ***** and anyone who thinks like him is a fucking ***** as well.
"A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once." -- William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar
First of all Champ, my daughter would be smart enough to run home and not attack a neighberhood watch person.
He was all but home, but Trayvon decided to be a smart ass and attack Zimmerman. YOU was not there, it is easy to make the claims you have, but YOU was not there.
Furthermore, I DO agree with you that Zimmerman put himself into a situation....but, WE were not there. Evidence DOES support that Martin DID INDEED attack Zimmerman. A broken nose is a broken nose....Martin also put himself into a situation and lost.
What you people fail to recognize is that you haven't just made it ok to kill unarmed black kids, on whose lives you place no value anyway; you've made yourselves targets while doing so. A person doesn't even need a plausible story, just one that can't be refuted because the only other possible witness is dead. Don't be surprised when it comes back to bite you in the ass and you run into a real badass and find out that the little Glock you bought to make yourself feel like your dick was bigger than two inches doesn't work out for you. This is the America you want? Fine; you've got it. Enjoy it while you can.
Calm is prevailing. For now. At least, that's something. (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_End_Of_The_Daily_Trayvon?src=soc_fcbks)
"However, in theory, at least, here is what is now possible. Some night very soon, if he so chooses, George Zimmerman can load his piece, tuck it into the back of his pants, climb into his SUV, and drive around Sanford, Florida looking for assholes and fucking punks who are walking through neighborhoods where he, George Zimmerman, defender of law and order, doesn't think they belong. He can drive around Sanford, Florida and check out anyone who is dressed in such a manner as might frighten the average citizen who has been fed a daily diet of "Scary Black Kids" by their local news and by their favorite radio personalities, and who is dressed in such a manner as might seem inappropriate to their surroundings as determined by George Zimmerman, crimebuster. He can drive around Sanford, Florida until he spots an asshole or a fucking punk and then he can get out of his SUV, his piece tucked into the back of his pants, and he can stalk the asshole or the fucking punk, the one who is in the wrong neighborhood, or who is dressed inappropriately, at least according to George Zimmerman, protector of peace. If the asshole, or the fucking punk, turns around and objects to being stalked -- or, worse, if the asshole, or the fucking punk, decides physically to confront the person stalking him -- then George Zimmerman can whip out the piece from the back of his pants and shoot the asshole, or the fucking punk, dead right there on the spot. This can happen tonight. That is now possible. Hunting licenses are now available and it's open season on assholes, fucking punks, and kids who wear hoodies at night in neighborhoods where they do not belong, at least according to George Zimmerman, defender of law and order, crimebuster, and protector of the peace, because that is what American society has told George Zimmerman, and all the rest of us, is the just outcome of what happened on one dark and rainy night in February of 2012."
YOU are such a dick.... :rolleyes:
It may very well surprise you I think that Zimmerman SHOULD not have had his gun with him, while he was patroling for the neighborhood. But an argument can be made that in this case it MAY have saved his life. IF, he is telling the truth, and a Jury agrees with him........he WAS only protecting himself.
I am torn on this whole issue but,..........I am sick of the liberal mentallity to assume this was all about race and a black kid dies. Where are you when a black kid is killed on a daily basis in his own neighberhood? by other black kids? It is ONLY an issue when a "white" person is involved. Even a "white hispanic", which is a crock of bullshit.
By the way, eight of the last eight burglaries in that neighborhood in Sandford was committed by young black kids.
So lets say Zimmerman didn't have a gun, and Martin had beaten him to death. How would everyone feel then? I think someone was going to end up dead that night, and to Martin's surprise, it ended up being him. Had things worked out the other way, we would not have heard diddly squat about it.
Personally, if some of these kids wan to play tough guy, then they better be prepared for the consequences. A 17 year old and a 15 year old in Indy are finding that out now as they head to adult court for their crime spree that left a man dead. It's time to toughen up on these kids and make a few examples, so the other kids might take notice and change their ways. We as a nation have went soft when it comes to our youth, and we are now paying the price.
Quote from: Mr442 on July 15, 2013, 05:28:58 PM
So lets say Zimmerman didn't have a gun, and Martin had beaten him to death. How would everyone feel then? I think someone was going to end up dead that night, and to Martin's surprise, it ended up being him. Had things worked out the other way, we would not have heard diddly squat about it.
Personally, if some of these kids wan to play tough guy, then they better be prepared for the consequences. A 17 year old and a 15 year old in Indy are finding that out now as they head to adult court for their crime spree that left a man dead. It's time to toughen up on these kids and make a few examples, so the other kids might take notice and change their ways. We as a nation have went soft when it comes to our youth, and we are now paying the price.
This attitude is exactly what got Trayvon Martin killed. You are taking a completely unrelated pair of youths and applying their misdeeds to someone else. Would it be fair to label you a pedophile simply because I was able to find another gear-head who was convicted of child molesting? You're on a very slippery slope.
And for the record, no one needed to die that night. Had Zimmerman been polite, asked Martin if he could talk to him, explained who he was and why he was asking, this all could have been avoided. I have enough law enforcement experience to understand that you can choose, when entering a situation, to defuse it or to escalate it. Zimmerman did the latter by stalking an unarmed person in the dark and never once attempting to identify himself. Good luck trying that shit with me because I am not a 17 year-old boy and I'll put a bullet in your fucking forehead in a heartbeat...especially now that I know I can get away with it just but rolling around in the mud, hitting myself in the face a couple of times and banging my head softly against the nearest tree. I would say that it also could have been avoided had Zimmerman had a dog instead of a gun but there is no way that fat ***** could handle a real dog.
Yes, we as a nation are soft but it isn't because of how we raise our kids; that is just a symptom. It's because, by and large we are a nation of fat, balding pussies who can't whip their way out of a paper bag and thing that a gun will make them what they will, in fact, never be...real men. Real men have integrity.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2013, 01:08:01 PM
Well first of all, you are wrong.
He was NEVER instructed to NOT get out of his vehicle. That is a lie.
It went like this:
Dispatcher
Are you following him?
Zimmerman
Yeah.
Dispatcher
Ok, we don't need you to do that.
That is it! Never ONCE was he instructed to STAY in his vehicle.
He broke NO law.
If I am wrong...prove it.
Also, I do not think a 911 dispatcher has the authority to tell someone that they can or cannot do. They can advise, but they are not sworn in law enforcement official.s
The non emergency number of most local PD's are answered by the desk SGT typically. But:
I bow to the almighty birdbrain; who knows all and sees all! :rolleyes:
Good thing this didn't happen in Florida. They could have been legally shot by the kidnapper.
http://m.now.msn.com/temar-boggs-15-rescues-kidnapped-girl-in-pennsylvania
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 15, 2013, 08:41:15 PM
Good thing this didn't happen in Florida. They could have been legally shot by the kidnapper.
http://m.now.msn.com/temar-boggs-15-rescues-kidnapped-girl-in-pennsylvania
This boy was in his own neighborhood, it was daylight. This is an apples to oranges comparison.
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 10:52:42 PM
This boy was in his own neighborhood, it was daylight. This is an apples to oranges comparison.
Maybe where you shop.
I have a question. The president was right out there when he wanted to speak on Travon's behalf and got things stirred up as was Jackson and Sharpton. Where are they now that there are riots and whites getting beaten in retaliation for the verdict? Why haven't they gotten on TV and tried to calm things down? Just think it could be you who gets dragged into a car or waylaid when out shopping and they wouldn't stop to ask if you were against the verdict they would just beat you because you're white.
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 11:15:55 PM
I have a question. The president was right out there when he wanted to speak on Travon's behalf and got things stirred up as was Jackson and Sharpton. Where are they now that there are riots and whites getting beaten in retaliation for the verdict? Why haven't they gotten on TV and tried to calm things down? Just think it could be you who gets dragged into a car or waylaid when out shopping and they wouldn't stop to ask if you were against the verdict they would just beat you because you're white.
I want some of whatever it is you're smokin', because it must be some good shit. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 15, 2013, 11:30:17 PM
I want some of whatever it is you're smokin', because it must be some good shit. :yes:
I'd also like to hear her explain again how she isn't a racist!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 15, 2013, 11:41:45 PM
I'd also like to hear her explain again how she isn't a racist!
I do too, because she exudes racism with almost every post on this topic.
Quote from: Locutus on July 15, 2013, 11:45:52 PM
I do too, because she exudes racism with almost every post on this topic.
No, all of you read that into it because it fits your agenda.
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 11:58:53 PM
No, all of you read that into it because it fits your agenda.
What agenda would that be? :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 15, 2013, 11:15:55 PM
I have a question. The president was right out there when he wanted to speak on Travon's behalf and got things stirred up as was Jackson and Sharpton. Where are they now that there are riots and whites getting beaten in retaliation for the verdict? Why haven't they gotten on TV and tried to calm things down? Just think it could be you who gets dragged into a car or waylaid when out shopping and they wouldn't stop to ask if you were against the verdict they would just beat you because you're white.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/07/george-zimmerman-verdict-riots-trayvon-martin-protests.html (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/07/george-zimmerman-verdict-riots-trayvon-martin-protests.html)
. . .The prediction of violence was not simply wrong. It was wrong for all the wrong reasons, in an echo of the way responsibility in the case was shifted onto Martin's shoulders. . .http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/14/violence-riots-dont-materialize-after-zimmerman-ve/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/14/violence-riots-dont-materialize-after-zimmerman-ve/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS)
. . .Analysts, law enforcement officials and, most of all, the media warned of potential riots and violence in the streets after Saturday night's acquittal of George Zimmerman.
Instead, in the hours after the Hispanic former neighborhood watch volunteer was cleared of murder charges in connection with the February 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, protests across the country mostly were peaceful. . . .
The only information out there that "says" there has been massive rioting, are the fake ones put out there by you racist jackwagons who are attempting to incite one, and your right wing rags who are guilty of the same.
Every person I talked to who had an opposite opinion of that legally put forth by the jury, expressed themselves in an adult manner. Period.
Yes, people are frustrated. But they aren't turning over cars and burning them or breaking into stores and looting. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It's amazing that she posts things that are just flat out false on this forum. It's simply unbelievable.
That should go on the lie tracker.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 12:16:28 AM
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/07/george-zimmerman-verdict-riots-trayvon-martin-protests.html (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/07/george-zimmerman-verdict-riots-trayvon-martin-protests.html)
. . .The prediction of violence was not simply wrong. It was wrong for all the wrong reasons, in an echo of the way responsibility in the case was shifted onto Martin's shoulders. . .
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/14/violence-riots-dont-materialize-after-zimmerman-ve/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS
(http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jul/14/violence-riots-dont-materialize-after-zimmerman-ve/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS)
. . .Analysts, law enforcement officials and, most of all, the media warned of potential riots and violence in the streets after Saturday night's acquittal of George Zimmerman.
Instead, in the hours after the Hispanic former neighborhood watch volunteer was cleared of murder charges in connection with the February 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, protests across the country mostly were peaceful. . . .
The only information out there that "says" there has been massive rioting, are the fake ones put out there by you racist jackwagons who are attempting to incite one, and your right wing rags who are guilty of the same.
Every person I talked to who had an opposite opinion of that legally put forth by the jury, expressed themselves in an adult manner. Period.
Yes, people are frustrated. But they aren't turning over cars and burning them or breaking into stores and looting. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Tell that to the people in L A, that town in Mississippi, and N Y. Are they showing old tapes on the news?
Quote from: me on July 16, 2013, 12:21:30 AM
Tell that to the people in L A, that town in Georgia, and N Y. Are they showing old tapes on the news?
Got any proof of that? . . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 12:19:11 AM
It's amazing that she posts things that are just flat out false on this forum. It's simply unbelievable.
That should go on the lie tracker.
Done!
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 12:22:55 AM
Got any proof of that? . . . :rolleyes:
I'm sure she does. It's in her email inbox. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 12:23:24 AM
Done!
Good.
There are absolutely
NO widespread riots, or anything that can really be remotely described as a riot, anywhere because of this verdict.
http://wreg.com/2013/07/15/man-claims-attack-was-trayvon-retaliation/
http://topconservativenews.com/2013/07/trayvon-supporters-riot-in-oakland-california/
The ones in N Y appear to be peaceful so far though.
Oh bullshite.
Here. Read this obvious piece of fiction (from Faux News :rolleyes: ) that holds the same position you seem to be spewing.
They sensationalize a few arrests out of "thousands of protesters nationwide", and try to make it seem like there is massive unrest. BS at its finest.
And that knucklehead is just trying to cash in because he got his ass jacked. . . Come on! :rolleyes:
http://www.mysouthwestga.com/news/story.aspx?id=921517#.UeTMGBZmhRw (http://www.mysouthwestga.com/news/story.aspx?id=921517#.UeTMGBZmhRw)
More fictional news reporting from the asshats at Faux News! They ought to report for the Onion! :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 12:34:01 AM
Oh bullshite.
Here. Read this obvious piece of fiction (from Faux News :rolleyes: ) that holds the same position you seem to be spewing.
They sensationalize a few arrests out of "thousands of protesters nationwide", and try to make it seem like there is massive unrest. BS at its finest.
And that knucklehead is just trying to cash in because he got his ass jacked. . . Come on! :rolleyes:
Show me where I said "massive" unrest. The point is there shouldn't be any of it going on and there wouldn't be if it had been allowed to remain local and not portrayed as a white on black crime by the media. Sure does keep ones mind off the economy and rising prices though doesn't it?
Quote from: me on July 16, 2013, 12:39:26 AM
Show me where I said "massive" unrest. The point is there shouldn't be any of it going on and there wouldn't be if it had been allowed to remain local and not portrayed as a white on black crime by the media. Sure does keep ones mind off the economy and rising prices though doesn't it?
And you keep squalling about civil rights leaders and the POTUS trying to avoid commentary or incite riots. Yet everything I have read and heard from them is calling for peaceful acts and reflection; from ALL of them. . .
Prove that shite or stop spreading lies!
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 12:28:35 AM
There are absolutely NO widespread riots, or anything that can really be remotely described as a riot, anywhere because of this verdict.
Really?
Los Angeles (CNN) -- A group of protesters in Los Angeles did exactly what critics of George Zimmerman's acquittal didn't want -- they vented their anger through violence.http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/16/justice/zimmerman-verdict-protests/?hpt=hp_t3 (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/16/justice/zimmerman-verdict-protests/?hpt=hp_t3) Riots, arrests in California as Zimmerman protests turn violent (PHOTOS)http://rt.com/usa/california-zimmerman-protest-police-152/ (http://rt.com/usa/california-zimmerman-protest-police-152/)
For the third consecutive night, a crowd of hundreds gathered in downtown Oakland Monday to protest George Zimmerman's acquittal in the shooting death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.The protests grew violent, (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-trayvon-protest-oakland-waiter-injured-20130715,0,7262830.story)
Oakland Police Department spokeswoman told the Times Monday, as the crowd threw bottles and fireworks at police officers, smashed store windows and burned American flags.http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-violence-oakland-protest-trayvon-20130715,0,7042281.story (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-violence-oakland-protest-trayvon-20130715,0,7042281.story)
Police said the group damaged cars and businesses along Crenshaw Boulevard, a major thoroughfare. Officers made 13 arrests.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2013, 06:08:21 PM
The non emergency number of most local PD's are answered by the desk SGT typically. But:
I bow to the almighty birdbrain; who knows all and sees all! :rolleyes:
Quit being a sour puss.......you was wrong, and I called you out on it. Something YOU LOVE TO DO to others...but have to be a smart ass when it happens to you. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 08:06:19 AM
Really?
Los Angeles (CNN) -- A group of protesters in Los Angeles did exactly what critics of George Zimmerman's acquittal didn't want -- they vented their anger through violence.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/16/justice/zimmerman-verdict-protests/?hpt=hp_t3 (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/16/justice/zimmerman-verdict-protests/?hpt=hp_t3)
Riots, arrests in California as Zimmerman protests turn violent (PHOTOS)
http://rt.com/usa/california-zimmerman-protest-police-152/ (http://rt.com/usa/california-zimmerman-protest-police-152/)
For the third consecutive night, a crowd of hundreds gathered in downtown Oakland Monday to protest George Zimmerman's acquittal in the shooting death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.The protests grew violent, (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-trayvon-protest-oakland-waiter-injured-20130715,0,7262830.story) Oakland Police Department spokeswoman told the Times Monday, as the crowd threw bottles and fireworks at police officers, smashed store windows and burned American flags.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-violence-oakland-protest-trayvon-20130715,0,7042281.story (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-violence-oakland-protest-trayvon-20130715,0,7042281.story)
Police said the group damaged cars and businesses along Crenshaw Boulevard, a major thoroughfare. Officers made 13 arrests.
Yes really.
A group of protestors in LA and a few more in Oakland hardly constitute the widespread riots predicted, and I'm starting to believe we're hoped for by some of the more racist among us. :roll eyes:
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spread over or open, or occupying a wide space.
distributed over a wide region, or occurring in many places or among many persons or individuals: widespread poverty.
So they have to be WIDESPREAD in order to be a bad thing?
Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, "This is for Trayvon."
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-monday-20130715,0,5135359.story#ixzz2ZDBEB7qk (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-monday-20130715,0,5135359.story#ixzz2ZDBEB7qk)
and that is bullshit to claim people WANT this to happen. I can say, I would be HAPPY as hell, if we never heard another damn thing about this whole Martin/Zimmerman case.
here is another:
Jogger says he was attacked in retaliation for Zimmerman verdict.
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22850763/jogger-says-he-was-attacked-in-retaliation-for-zimmerman-verdict#axzz2Z8TvGzrd (http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22850763/jogger-says-he-was-attacked-in-retaliation-for-zimmerman-verdict#axzz2Z8TvGzrd)
Zimmerman's Parents in Hiding from 'Enormous Amount of Death Threats': ABC News Exclusive
http://abcnews.go.com/US/zimmermans-parents-hiding-enormous-amount-death-threats-abc/story?id=19670456 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/zimmermans-parents-hiding-enormous-amount-death-threats-abc/story?id=19670456)
'Justice For Trayvon' Rally Shuts Down Major Newark Intersection
NBC's Sharpton Plans Protests In 100 Cities
Their hero. (http://politicalblindspot.org/george-zimmermans-old-myspace-surfaces-full-of-racist-statements-and-admissions-of-criminal-activity/)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 08:40:21 AM
Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, "This is for Trayvon."
If you're going to point fingers, you should keep better track of what your relatives are doing. (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/15/2300421/singer-attacked-trayvon-martin-dedication/?fb_comment_id=fbc_142897152582448_115353_143082775897219#f3f94c568)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 09:11:33 AM
Their hero. (http://politicalblindspot.org/george-zimmermans-old-myspace-surfaces-full-of-racist-statements-and-admissions-of-criminal-activity/)
and now here comes the attacks and assaults, trying to further dehumanize this guy. They now have the DOJ behind them to get some really good stuff to get him. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 09:23:03 AM
If you're going to point fingers, you should keep better track of what your relatives are doing. (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/15/2300421/singer-attacked-trayvon-martin-dedication/?fb_comment_id=fbc_142897152582448_115353_143082775897219#f3f94c568)
There you go, you guys make things personal EVERYTIME you are wrong about something.........EVERYTIME!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 09:26:25 AM
and now here comes the attacks and assaults, trying to further dehumanize this guy. They now have the DOJ behind them to get some really good stuff to get him. :rolleyes:
So it's ok to do it to a dead black kid but not a scumbag wife-beater? No, nothing racial here... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 09:29:00 AM
So it's ok to do it to a dead black kid but not a scumbag wife-beater? No, nothing racial here... :rolleyes:
Who said it was okay?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 09:27:57 AM
There you go, you guys make things personal EVERYTIME you are wrong about something.........EVERYTIME!
And what are we wrong about; that you are conveniently ignoring that white people have also attacked black people over this?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 09:31:50 AM
Who said it was okay?
Your silence on the issue is deafening.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 09:32:05 AM
And what are we wrong about; that you are conveniently ignoring that white people have also attacked black people over this?
That is the first case I have heard regarding white people attacking.........and I am not condoning it either.......lock up their sorry asses too. I am not ignoring crap. The fact is, this is an issue because the media made it this way. The LIBERAL media, I will add.
The bottom line is this...and this is facts according to a Jury. Trayvon is DEAD, becasue HE attacked a man. He could have went home if he was afraid. He had FOUR MINUTES after he hung up the phone to make his was a hundred yards to his home, but HE decided to be a punk and have it out with Zimmerman.
Zimmerman did NOT chase him down and kill him. That has been decided by a JURY.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 09:38:10 AM
Zimmerman did NOT chase him down and kill him. That has been decided by a JURY.
I didn't watch the trial, but are you sure that's what they decided? I'm not.
BTW, a not guilty verdict doesn't necessarily connote innocence.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 09:46:23 AM
I didn't watch the trial, but are you sure that's what they decided? I'm not.
BTW, a not guilty verdict doesn't necessarily connote innocence.
From what I understood was, they had to believe it was self-defense, in order to NOT have him convicted of manslaughter. Even one of the jurers is NOW saying that they has NO DOUBT that Zimmerman FEARED for his life.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 08:40:21 AM
So they have to be WIDESPREAD in order to be a bad thing?
I said, "There have been no widespread riots." That's true.
You said, "Really?"
That's what prompted my response.
As to Sharpton's protests in 100 cities, I would like to remind you that a protest doesn't equal a riot. Remember, I live in South Florida very close to the city of Miami and I know a riot when I see one, and there haven't been any widespread riots in response to this verdict. To claim otherwise is to simply lie.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 09:52:22 AM
From what I understood was, they had to believe it was self-defense, in order to NOT have him convicted of manslaughter. Even one of the jurers is NOW saying that they has NO DOUBT that Zimmerman FEARED for his life.
Yes, I saw that. It's the same juror that's already planning to pad her pockets with a book deal.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 09:54:31 AM
Yes, I saw that. It's the same juror that's already planning to pad her pockets with a book deal.
The juror had planned to write the book with her husband, who is an attorney, explaining how the jury had "no option" but to find Zimmerman not guilty, but she subsequently decided not to proceed with publication...."Now that I am returned to my family and to society in general, I have realized that the best direction for me to go is away from writing any sort of book and return instead to my life as it was before I was called to sit on this jury,"
I don't think anyone with half a brain needs an explanation as to why the jury had no option other than a not guilty verdict. Like I have said before, the state didn't prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 10:05:13 AM
I don't think anyone with half a brain needs an explanation as to why the jury had no option other than a not guilty verdict. Like I have said before, the state didn't prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.
That is what the Chief of Police said from the beginning, but was FIRED, because the MEDIA demanded an arrest.
I think the defense did a GREAT job of defending Zimmerman too....the "four minute" segment was solid.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 09:38:10 AM
The bottom line is this...and this is facts according to a Jury. Trayvon is DEAD, becasue HE attacked a man.
No, the facts are that the jury could not decide beyond a reasonable doubt that Trayvon did not attack Zimmerman, nothing more, nothing less.
BTW, this is one of those instances I was talking about of your attempting to dehumanize a dead teenager.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 09:53:39 AM
I said, "There have been no widespread riots." That's true.
You said, "Really?"
That's what prompted my response.
As to Sharpton's protests in 100 cities, I would like to remind you that a protest doesn't equal a riot. Remember, I live in South Florida very close to the city of Miami and I know a riot when I see one, and there haven't been any widespread riots in response to this verdict. To claim otherwise is to simply lie.
I too have not claimed they are wide spread....but there IS riots and reports of violence in LA, Oakland and Baltimore....because of this verdict.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
No, the facts are that the jury could not decide beyond a reasonable doubt that Trayvon did not attack Zimmerman, nothing more, nothing less.
BTW, this is one of those instances I was talking about of your attempting to dehumanize a dead teenager.
nothing different than YOU dehumanizing Zimmerman.....YOU have YOUR opinion...I have MINE.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
No, the facts are that the jury could not decide beyond a reasonable doubt that Trayvon did not attack Zimmerman, nothing more, nothing less.
There IS a reason for them thinking that way too........because evidence indicates that Zimmerman is telling us the truth.
Stevie Wonder says he will not be performing in the Sunshine State until its Stand Your Ground law is "abolished." He also said he would not be performing in any other state that recognizes the law.
Believe it or not, I think THIS is the way you protest something you don't like. I applaud him for this type of action. He is not making any attacks, just standing up behind his belief. Actions are louder than words.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 10:11:40 AM
nothing different than YOU dehumanizing Zimmerman.....YOU have YOUR opinion...I have MINE.
The obvious difference is that there is no evidence whatsoever that proves that Martin did anything beyond defend himself. There's lots of evidence and some convictions to back up Zimmerman being a scumbag. Why am I not surprised that you worship him?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 10:17:35 AM
...because evidence indicates that Zimmerman is telling us the truth.
Which evidence is that?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 10:22:11 AM
Stevie Wonder says he will not be performing in the Sunshine State until its Stand Your Ground law is "abolished." He also said he would not be performing in any other state that recognizes the law.
Believe it or not, I think THIS is the way you protest something you don't like. I applaud him for this type of action. He is not making any attacks, just standing up behind his belief. Actions are louder than words.
Stevie Wonder still has a following? :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 10:17:35 AM
There IS a reason for them thinking that way too........because evidence indicates that Zimmerman is telling us the truth.
Again, are you sure about this? I'm not. Zimmerman is a proven liar.
The only conclusion that the verdict indicates is that the state didn't prove its case.
I wasn't going to post this because some might get squeamish, but I'll post a link with a strong disclaimer. Here is one of the pictures of Trayvon Martin's body as it was found and photographed by police and shown to the jury. It doesn't look to me like a picture of someone who had just been in a violent struggle with someone else.
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC PICTURE OF A DEAD BODY. DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE SQUEAMISH OR ARE DISTURBED BY SUCH IMAGES
http://s16.postimg.org/t7t49e2dx/Screen_Shot_2013_07_14_at_12_23_30_AM.png (http://s16.postimg.org/t7t49e2dx/Screen_Shot_2013_07_14_at_12_23_30_AM.png)
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 10:49:56 AM
I wasn't going to post this because some might get squeamish, but I'll post a link with a strong disclaimer. Here is one of the pictures of Trayvon Martin's body as it was found and photographed by police and shown to the jury. It doesn't look to me like a picture of someone who had just been in a violent struggle with someone else.
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC PICTURE OF A DEAD BODY. DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE SQUEAMISH OR ARE DISTURBED BY SUCH IMAGES
http://s16.postimg.org/t7t49e2dx/Screen_Shot_2013_07_14_at_12_23_30_AM.png (http://s16.postimg.org/t7t49e2dx/Screen_Shot_2013_07_14_at_12_23_30_AM.png)
He looks DEAD! How is a person who has been in a violent struggle supposed to look like?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 10:55:24 AM
He looks DEAD! How is a person who has been in a violent struggle supposed to look like?
Remember the story of the struggle and who was on top of whom?
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 10:49:56 AM
It doesn't look to me like a picture of someone who had just been in a violent struggle with someone else.
Me either.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 10:41:35 AM
The obvious difference is that there is no evidence whatsoever that proves that Martin did anything beyond defend himself.
Other than the fact he was only a few yards from home when he hung up with the Rachel chick.....and it took him four minutes to instigate a fight, where HE broke Z's nose and bashed his head on the ground. If he was "afraid" he could have continued home and STILL be alive. He didn't make that decision.....he chose to have words and attack. That is WHY Zimmerman is free today.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 10:56:12 AM
Remember the story of the struggle and who was on top of whom?
What SHOULD have he looked like then? I am struggling with your conclusion. Pictures of Zimmerman clearly shows that he WAS indeed attacked....not the attacker.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 11:01:44 AM
What SHOULD have he looked like then? I am struggling with your conclusion. Pictures of Zimmerman clearly shows that he WAS indeed attacked....not the attacker.
Look at that picture again, and look specifically at the knees.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 10:59:53 AM
Other than the fact he was only a few yards from home when he hung up with the Rachel chick.....and it took him four minutes to instigate a fight, where HE broke Z's nose and bashed his head on the ground.
Please provide proof of any of this...you claim there's evidence; let's see it.
QuoteIf he was "afraid" he could have continued home and STILL be alive. He didn't make that decision.....he chose to have words and attack.
There you go again, dehumanizing the dead kid by making allegations that neither you nor anyone else can prove. Why does Zimmerman have the right to defend himself but Trayvon didn't?
QuoteThat is WHY Zimmerman is free today.
Zimmerman will never be free.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 11:03:17 AM
Look at that picture again, and look specifically at the knees.
I'm sure all he sees is a black kid the way he wishes all of them looked.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 11:08:02 AM
Zimmerman will never be free.
THIS, I agree with. The rest is a BS and you know it. The defense made a great case in presenting facts.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 10:49:56 AM
I wasn't going to post this because some might get squeamish, but I'll post a link with a strong disclaimer. Here is one of the pictures of Trayvon Martin's body as it was found and photographed by police and shown to the jury. It doesn't look to me like a picture of someone who had just been in a violent struggle with someone else.
EXTREMELY GRAPHIC PICTURE OF A DEAD BODY. DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE SQUEAMISH OR ARE DISTURBED BY SUCH IMAGES
http://s16.postimg.org/t7t49e2dx/Screen_Shot_2013_07_14_at_12_23_30_AM.png (http://s16.postimg.org/t7t49e2dx/Screen_Shot_2013_07_14_at_12_23_30_AM.png)
[/quote]I strongly urge everybody to pull it up and look closely, very closely, especially at his clothes, at the expression on his face, the position of his body. :eek:
And now I'd like to add something that I remembered reading when Zimmerman killed the boy -- it regards Zimmerman's father, the Magistrate. Didn't know that? Read on. "Zimmerman: Dad worked as magistrate
Answering questions on Zimmerman, family
Posted: 03/28/2012
By: Jeff Butera
TAMPA - Some viewers on the ABC Action News Facebook page have asked whether George Zimmerman's father served as a judge.
Some have speculated Zimmerman's father may have used that position to get a 2005 charge against his son thrown out (although, while the charge of assaulting a law enforcement officer was dropped, there is no proof Zimmerman's father played any role in making that happen).
On Wednesday, we decided to answer your questions about what was truth and what was fiction.
We obtained a copy of George Zimmerman's application to join the Seminole County Sheriff's Office Citizens Law Enforcement Academy.
In it, Zimmerman writes that his "father is a retired Magistrate Judge for the supreme court (sic) of Virginia."
George Zimmerman's father is Robert Zimmerman. Robert Zimmerman gave a statement to the 'Orlando Sentinel' defending his son's role in the shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin.
We then contacted the Virginia Supreme Court to confirm Robert Zimmerman's employment.
Kristi Wright with the Department of Legislative and Public Relations wrote us this email in response:
"Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available on Virginia's Judicial System Website ."
Copyright 2012 Scripps Media, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed."
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 11:03:17 AM
Look at that picture again, and look specifically at the knees.
So the forensic expert was wrong, because his knees were not dirty in that picture? The EXPERT says Trayvon was on top. An EYE-WITNESS says he was on top. I guess they are wrong, huh?
Quote from: libby on July 16, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
We obtained a copy of George Zimmerman's application to join the Seminole County Sheriff's Office Citizens Law Enforcement Academy.
In it, Zimmerman writes that his "father is a retired Magistrate Judge for the supreme court (sic) of Virginia."
Like I said before, Zimmerman has proven himself a liar, and if this is true, it's just more evidence.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 11:03:17 AM
Look at that picture again, and look specifically at the knees.
What about the right hand? No marks there either.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 10:55:24 AM
He looks DEAD! How is a person who has been in a violent struggle supposed to look like?
You're a real sick puppy Skippy. We only got Zimmerman's side of the struggle, a story from the killer. I wonder what would your story would be if it was your son. :jester:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 11:14:08 AM
So the forensic expert was wrong, because his knees were not dirty in that picture? The EXPERT says Trayvon was on top. An EYE-WITNESS says he was on top. I guess they are wrong, huh?
Like I said, I didn't watch the trial. I just followed summaries that came out daily regarding the courtroom proceedings. To me, if someone is on top of someone else "pounding their head" then one would have to assume that their knees would be on the ground and that their pants would show some evidence of that. There is no evidence of damage to his pants around the knees. No tears; no stains; no dirt.
I would like to see what was presented to the jury in the form of oral arguments when that picture was introduced.
Quote from: Bo D on July 16, 2013, 11:17:35 AM
What about the right hand? No marks there either.
Nope.
Another question I have along those lines is that if Martin was "pounding his head into the pavement," then how did his body end up in the grass? That may have come out at the trial, so if it did, please clue me in.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 11:22:03 AM
Another question I have along those lines is that if Martin was "pounding his head into the pavement," then how did his body end up in the grass? That may have come out at the trial, so if it did, please clue me in.
The defense addressed this by saying Zimmerman was on the grass and that his head was either near the edge of the concrete "dog walk sidewalk" or on top of it.
I wonder how the kid could take hold of his hairless head in order to pound it onto the ground?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 11:14:08 AM
The EXPERT says Trayvon was on top.
What expert; the one hired by the defense?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 11:25:05 AM
The defense addressed this by saying Zimmerman was on the grass and that his head was either near the edge of the concrete "dog walk sidewalk" or on top of it.
I wonder how the kid could take hold of his hairless head in order to pound it onto the ground?
Okay, so if that's the case, then it can be safely assumed that Trayvon Martin's pants, and specifically the knees, would have also been on the grass. That picture clearly shows that his knees have no grass stains and no dirt on them whatsoever.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 11:25:05 AM
I wonder how the kid could take hold of his hairless head in order to pound it onto the ground?
All while not getting any of Zimmerman's DNA on him! The defense (and the two stooges here) would have us believe that that DNA was degraded because the clothing was wet when it was bagged even while Martin's DNA was not!
If he was on top, then why are there no grass stains, scuffs, or other soiling of the knees of his pants?
If you want to say because he had his knees on his arms, then how does Zimmerman reach his firearm with his arms pinned?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 11:10:59 AM
THIS, I agree with. The rest is a BS and you know it. The defense made a great case in presenting facts.
No, the defense did a good job of casting doubt on facts...huge difference.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 11:29:26 AM
All while not getting any of Zimmerman's DNA on him! The defense (and the two stooges here) would have us believe that that DNA was degraded because the clothing was wet when it was bagged even while Martin's DNA was not!
Exactly. If Trayvon was on top, beating Zimmerman's head into the ground, he would have had to grasp his head in a violent manner, and this would put Zimmerman's DNA under his finger-nails and scratches on Zimmerman's face and ears.
And yet, nothing. Did the investigators / medical examiner do nail scrapings? The assumption is yes, and no Zimmerman DNA!
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 11:33:25 AM
Did the investigators / medical examiner do nail scrapings? The assumption is yes, and no Zimmerman DNA!
They did do nail scrapings and found no DNA. Ex posted a link to that report somewhere on this thread, but it's back several pages now.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 14, 2013, 10:51:34 AM
Not looking good for Zimmerman. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/09/1214336/-DNA-Report-does-NOT-support-Zimmerman-s-claim-that-Trayvon-Martin-caused-his-injuries#)
^^ There's the article we're talking about and in case you don't like Daily Kos as a source, here's a link to the complete report by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
FDLE Report (http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/09/19/case_part_5_Gorgone_FDLE_complete_report_7_26_12_.pdf)
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 11:46:32 AM
^^ There's the article we're talking about and in case you don't like Daily Kos as a source, here's a link to the complete report by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
FDLE Report (http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/09/19/case_part_5_Gorgone_FDLE_complete_report_7_26_12_.pdf)
So one has to really wonder why the prosecution did not use this in order to show things did not happen the way Zimmy said. . . :mad:
As you have said before, had I been sitting on that jury I likely would have found him not guilty as well. The prosecution, IMHO, did a horrible job of putting together its case and presenting it. It was the OJ trial all over again. . . :mad:
Sure is a lot of energy being spent on this topic instead of the economy and Benghazi. Strange how that works isn't it?
Quote from: me on July 16, 2013, 11:57:49 AM
Sure is a lot of energy being spent on this topic instead of the economy and Benghazi. Strange how that works isn't it?
:rolleyes:
Trolling. Don't you have some widespread rioting to report back to us about?
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 11:58:36 AM
:rolleyes:
Trolling. Don't you have some widespread rioting to report back to us about?
Show me where I said "wide spread". I mentioned 2 places period and posted links.
Wonder if the media, Sharpton, and Jackson will get in on this one. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2013/07/13/Man-beaten-by-bored-teens-dies-1-year-later.html They're all about equality ya know.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 11:51:42 AM
So one has to really wonder why the prosecution did not use this in order to show things did not happen the way Zimmy said. . . :mad:
As you have said before, had I been sitting on that jury I likely would have found him not guilty as well. The prosecution, IMHO, did a horrible job of putting together its case and presenting it. It was the OJ trial all over again. . . :mad:
They completely missed several points that seemed obvious to me. It was almost as if they were deliberately trying to throw it.
Quote from: me on July 16, 2013, 12:05:51 PM
Wonder if the media, Sharpton, and Jackson will get in on this one.
Look who finally rolled out of bed at noon and started in with her racist diatribe again!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 12:08:20 PM
They completely missed several points that seemed obvious to me. It was almost as if they were deliberately trying to throw it.
Yeah, I had the same thought at a few points. It's almost as if they decided, "hey, we're being forced to prosecute so let's make sure to touch all the bases but we aren't going to cover them."
It appeared to me as if they just went through the motions and that was it.
Quote from: me on July 16, 2013, 12:05:51 PM
. . .
Wonder if the media, Sharpton, and Jackson will get in on this one. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 16, 2013, 12:57:07 AM
And you keep squalling about civil rights leaders and the POTUS trying to avoid commentary or incite riots. Yet everything I have read and heard from them is calling for peaceful acts and reflection; from ALL of them. . .
Prove that shite or stop spreading lies!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 12:09:20 PM
Look who finally rolled out of bed at noon and started in with her racist diatribe again!
I spent 40yrs getting up at 4:00 and 5:00am so if I choose to sleep 'til noon now that's my right. Just FYI I was up at 6:30am. Now worry about what you do and not so much about me. If you're lucky one of these days you can retire and sleep whatever hours you want too.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 11:18:31 AM
Like I said, I didn't watch the trial. I just followed summaries that came out daily regarding the courtroom proceedings. To me, if someone is on top of someone else "pounding their head" then one would have to assume that their knees would be on the ground and that their pants would show some evidence of that. There is no evidence of damage to his pants around the knees. No tears; no stains; no dirt.
I would like to see what was presented to the jury in the form of oral arguments when that picture was introduced.
Okay, this picture CLEARLY shows soaked knee's and shins..... ;)
(http://www.bob-owens.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/article-2348155-1A813F70000005DC-218_634x471-500x371.jpg)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 01:11:14 PM
Okay, this picture CLEARLY shows soaked knee's and shins..... ;)
Clearly? That's just a more distorted version of the same picture that
doesn't show those things.
That's the problem with you people: no objectivity. You want tobelieve so badly that the "little thug-ass n****r" had it coming that you'll manufacture whatever narrative you need to to support that, no matter how absurd.
Bullshit, it is the liberals who are pissed because NO Evidence supports Zimmerman of being guilty. Evidence DOES support Martin making a mistake of attacking.... PERIOD. He HIT Zimmerman. He WAS on top. He DID cause wounds to Zimmerman. He COULD have went home.
Those are FACTS.
I find this so sad, how so many of you act like you CARE about a black kid, but since the time Trayvon was shot...nearly 500 kids in Chicago has been murdered. Not ONE out cry by anybody on here. THAT is where the real tragedy is.
Just because a "white" hispanic (that still cracks me up) was involved in this one........and Obama told the world that looked like his son.....it became news.... and you people act like you gave a shit. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 01:23:30 PM
Clearly? That's just a more distorted version of the same picture that doesn't show those things.
That's the problem with you people: no objectivity. You want tobelieve so badly that the "little thug-ass n****r" had it coming that you'll manufacture whatever narrative you need to to support that, no matter how absurd.
Again, I agree that the pants look more wet there than in the one I posted, but where are the stains and dirt? If he's pounding someone's head into the ground, his knees should be grinding on the grass which would cause stains and dirt marks especially if the ground is wet. I'm still not seeing why there are no stains or dirt given Zimmerman's version of the events.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 01:34:56 PM
Evidence DOES support Martin making a mistake of attacking.... PERIOD. He HIT Zimmerman. He WAS on top. He DID cause wounds to Zimmerman.
I have asked you several times for that evidence and you have provided nothing that conclusively supports your assertion that Martin assaulted Zimmerman in any way. Please provide direct conclusive evidence or STFU and carry your racist ass back to your trailer park.
Your attempts at throwing a red herring into the mix by mentioning black-on-black crime (typical racist ploy) doesn't work here. If you want to talk about that, start a new thread. This one is about the Zimmerman/Martin case and only about the Zimmerman/Martin case.
You stfu...dick head.
Broken nose, bleeding head, witness of trayvon on top of zim, wet knees and shins on trayvon's pants....
who made you the thread police peckerhead? I will post what I want on here. The only racist remarks were made by trayvon...btw.
Once again, when ever YOU are losing an argument, you revert to name-calling bullshit. That is the way you roll.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 02:02:29 PM
You stfu...dick head.
Shut me up.
QuoteBroken nose, bleeding head...
...that you can't prove were not self inflicted after he shot Martin.
Quote...witness of trayvon on top of zim...
Another witness said exactly the opposite and eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate.
Quote...wet knees and shins on trayvon's pants....
Could have happened when he fell after he was shot.
You have no evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman. None. Zero. Nadda. Zilch. The actual physical evidence, you know, things like DNA (for those of us who believe in science) support exactly the opposite. You're just a bigot who wants to believe Martin was a thug and likes the idea that people can shoot black people at will with no consequences...period...end of story.
I hate to keep beating the dead horse, but where are the grass stains and dirt marks that should be on his pants if events happened as Zimmerman stated?
Looks pretty grassy in the picture, so no dirt stains, it is really fuzzy on my screen, so I would not seen grass stains unless it was a close up. How do you discount the eyewitness who said the guy in the red jacket was on the bottom and the guy in the sweatshirt was on top? This was before the shot so Mr. Zimmerman could not have staged that.
Yeah, I guess YOU guys are right, a jury of six got it ALL wrong....Zimmerman must be guilty and the jurors and everyone else who DON'T agree with you are just bigots. :rolleyes:
I'm done. Nothing more to say. All has been said.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 15, 2013, 06:05:30 PM
This attitude is exactly what got Trayvon Martin killed. You are taking a completely unrelated pair of youths and applying their misdeeds to someone else. Would it be fair to label you a pedophile simply because I was able to find another gear-head who was convicted of child molesting? You're on a very slippery slope.
And for the record, no one needed to die that night. Had Zimmerman been polite, asked Martin if he could talk to him, explained who he was and why he was asking, this all could have been avoided. I have enough law enforcement experience to understand that you can choose, when entering a situation, to defuse it or to escalate it. Zimmerman did the latter by stalking an unarmed person in the dark and never once attempting to identify himself. Good luck trying that shit with me because I am not a 17 year-old boy and I'll put a bullet in your fucking forehead in a heartbeat...especially now that I know I can get away with it just but rolling around in the mud, hitting myself in the face a couple of times and banging my head softly against the nearest tree. I would say that it also could have been avoided had Zimmerman had a dog instead of a gun but there is no way that fat ***** could handle a real dog.
Yes, we as a nation are soft but it isn't because of how we raise our kids; that is just a symptom. It's because, by and large we are a nation of fat, balding pussies who can't whip their way out of a paper bag and thing that a gun will make them what they will, in fact, never be...real men. Real men have integrity.
Sorry to tell you, but these two instances are very similar in the fact that in both, the perpetrators were under age and were violent. Mom and dad failed on all of them at some point. They have no respect for right and wrong. If you want to play adult games, then be prepared for the consequences. If some big ass 16 year old started wailing on me, I sure as hell would use whatever force necessary to subdue him, as quickly as possible. Screw his feelings and whatever other BS, I'm going to save myself. Martin did attack Zimmerman, and Zimmerman did what he had to do to survive. It's a damn shame it all turned out this way, but it did. Martin could have avoided elevating the confrontation, but he chose otherwise. He alone made that decision, and it cost him and everyone who loved him. He could have let Zimmerman rant and rave, and be an idiot, then go on home. He just didn't know when to walk away.
Quote from: Anne on July 16, 2013, 02:33:41 PM
How do you discount the eyewitness who said the guy in the red jacket was on the bottom and the guy in the sweatshirt was on top? This was before the shot so Mr. Zimmerman could not have staged that.
Eyewitness reliability. (https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#gs_rn=19&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=qEed82XQi_13MrgH5eCeew&pq=bill%20warner%20video&cp=14&gs_id=76&xhr=t&q=eyewitness+reliability&es_nrs=true&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=eyewitness+rel&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=47beb2c11b04ea6f&biw=1280&bih=631) Learn something.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
Yeah, I guess YOU guys are right, a jury of six got it ALL wrong....Zimmerman must be guilty and the jurors and everyone else who DON'T agree with you are just bigots. :rolleyes:
I'm done. Nothing more to say. All has been said.
I think we're just raising questions HH.
FACT: Zimmerman is a proven liar.
FACT: There are inexplicable inconsistencies in his story.
But also:
FACT:
None of us have said the jury got it wrong and at least two of us have said the jury got it right.
Quote from: Mr442 on July 16, 2013, 02:52:40 PM
Martin did attack Zimmerman...
Please provide proof of this assertion. You can't because there is none.
The juror on TV said that Martin did the attacking, and that is one of the main reasons they were swayed to set Zimmerman loose. We were not there at the trial, they were and did their very best with the evidence in front of them.
I thank them for doing their civic duty in a very high profile case, with no good results possible.
Quote from: Locutus on July 16, 2013, 02:54:20 PM
at least two of us have said the jury got it right.
I have noted that....but you attack Z's charactor as a liar, and he may very well be. How about Martin? Do you think he was innocent as portrayed in this 13-year old picture? I think, he was NOT the sweet kid that he once was.
That being said, I still say the evidence supported Z's account....liar or not. Race is NOT the issue, in any way, shape or form. Despite that I am called one everytime I state my position.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 03:11:50 PM
Race is NOT the issue, in any way, shape or form.
Bullshit. Pretending like racism doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 03:51:05 PM
Bullshit. Pretending like racism doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.
Who said it doesn't exist? Not me. I see it out of you ALL the time. Racism is exploding right now. We are a divided nation.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 03:51:05 PM
Bullshit. Pretending like racism doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.
Neither is wrongly accusing people of it unjustly. There will always be racism from all races, blacks are even racist against each other depending on the color of their skin. Unfortunately racism will never completely go away because there are those select few who for some idiot reason think their race is superior over others and you will never change that.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 02:53:54 PM
Eyewitness reliability. (https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#gs_rn=19&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=qEed82XQi_13MrgH5eCeew&pq=bill%20warner%20video&cp=14&gs_id=76&xhr=t&q=eyewitness+reliability&es_nrs=true&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=eyewitness+rel&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=47beb2c11b04ea6f&biw=1280&bih=631) Learn something.
I realize that not all witnesses are reliable, but usually on identifying someone in a line up or remembering what they said in a deposition or to officers months before a trial. Telling the difference between a red coat and a grey hoodie/sweatshirt is pretty basic. Like a lot of people I have been on a jury as an alternate but sat through all the deliberations in the jury room. It was a very minor trial, but nothing is never as simple as it seems. I have also attended some trials from start to finish. They are very interesting. If you haven't done that, try it.
Interesting thing for a racist to do don't ya think?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/07/zimmerman-initiated-a-justice-for-sherman-ware-campaign/
Okay. . . focus people.
At some point during the investigation it began raining. Trayvon was dead already. And if you care to look in the second picture, you'll see that the portion of his hooded sweatshirt facing up is also wet.
How do you think the collected evidence got wet? Somebody take a hose to everyone?
And another thing. Anyone who has ever worn khaki slacks knows how easily they stain; dirt and grass stains glaringly show up just by kneeling. (I've got a closet full of them to prove it).
Stop reaching an use whatever level of common sense you own for crying out loud!
(And for the record, I AM one of those who have stated several times that the jury arrived at the only decision they could based upon the evidence they were presented. I would have done the same thing in their situation).
Quote from: Palehorse on July 17, 2013, 12:30:28 AM
(And for the record, I AM one of those who have stated several times that the jury arrived at the only decision they could based upon the evidence they were presented. I would have done the same thing in their situation).
Yes you are.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 17, 2013, 12:30:28 AM
And another thing. Anyone who has ever worn khaki slacks knows how easily they stain; dirt and grass stains glaringly show up just by kneeling. (I've got a closet full of them to prove it).
You'd think Henry would know this from servicing G.W. :icon_twisted:
"That case was decided with jury selection." -- Andrea Mitchell
My exact thoughts at the time the judge was announced and the jury chosen.
Southern state. White prosecutor. Judge and jury: every single one a white woman.
... and last but not least -- in my opinion -- Zimmerman's father is a retired magistrate.
~
Who am I to make such a judgment? I am a white woman of German/British Isles/American Indian descent who was born and grew up in WV, but have lived in Northern Virginia for decades. I went to work for the Federal Government in the mid 80's.
Quote from: me on July 17, 2013, 12:09:34 AM
Interesting thing for a racist to do don't ya think?
Who said he was a racist? What was said was that he racially profiled Trayvon Martin...big difference. Right, wrong or indifferent, we all do it. I live in probably the least racially diverse area of the Indy metro and surrounding counties and would definitely take note of a person of color wandering through my neighborhood. I would not, however, shoot him and then manufacture some story about how I was in fear for my life but then again, I'm not a fat *****.
You are right, you are not fat.... :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
You'd think Henry would know this from servicing G.W. :icon_twisted:
:rotfl: :biggrin:
Interesting the remaining jurors have come out to say that the one currently speaking does NOT speak for them.
I think this just accentuates that this was not an easy decision for them to make and that several of them held suspicions that there was much not brought out within the trial that should have been.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 10:38:57 AM
Who said he was a racist? What was said was that he racially profiled Trayvon Martin...big difference. Right, wrong or indifferent, we all do it. I live in probably the least racially diverse area of the Indy metro and surrounding counties and would definitely take note of a person of color wandering through my neighborhood. I would not, however, shoot him and then manufacture some story about how I was in fear for my life but then again, I'm not a fat *****.
Zimmerman was smaller than Martin when this all took place.
Quote from: me on July 17, 2013, 12:02:11 PM
Zimmerman was smaller than Martin when this all took place.
He was certainly smart enough to hurt himself after he shot Martin so that he could claim self-defense.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 01:01:03 PM
He was certainly smart enough to hurt himself after he shot Martin so that he could claim self-defense.
YOU are so full of shit if you actually believe that.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2013, 01:10:48 PM
YOU are so full of shit if you actually believe that.
Despite your wanting to believe whatever outlandish story it takes to convince yourself it's ok to go around shooting black kids for no reason, DNA evidence does not lie. I know you're not a fan of science and whatnot...
...or English.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 01:34:35 PM
Despite your wanting to believe whatever outlandish story it takes to convince yourself it's ok to go around shooting black kids for no reason, DNA evidence does not lie. I know you're not a fan of science and whatnot...
...or English.
Not ONCE in my life has have ever suggested that shooting black kids is okay. If I already didn't know that you was such a dick, I would be offended. But for you to think that Zimmerman actually bashed in his own head and broke his own nose is incredibly fucking stupid.
That is about all I can say about that.
What DNA evidence is there? huh?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2013, 02:18:51 PM
If I already didn't know that you was such a dick, I would be offended.
It's, "were," you illiterate redneck; "...you were..."
QuoteBut for you to think that Zimmerman actually bashed in his own head and broke his own nose is incredibly fucking stupid.
Bashed in his head? Oh, you mean those two little cuts that didn't even require sutures? Hardly qualifies as a "bashed in head" to anyone with an IQ higher than 50 (which explains your interpretation). As far as breaking his own nose, yes, I believe that was self-inflicted. He knew he was fucked and was probably going to spend the rest of his life in prison so he injured himself to bolster his claim of self-defense. I watched someone shatter his elbow against the concrete so he would be discharged from the Army; people will injure themselves if they think they have reason enough.
QuoteWhat DNA evidence is there? huh?
Exactly. What DNA evidence is there that Trayvon Martin inflicted any of those injuries on Zimmerman? Please explain to everyone how Martin did all of the things you're claiming he did without getting any of Zimmerman's DNA on him, on his clothing, under his fingernails...
It isn't fucking possible.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 02:34:23 PM
Exactly. What DNA evidence is there that Trayvon Martin inflicted any of those injuries on Zimmerman? Please explain to everyone how Martin did all of the things you're claiming he did without getting any of Zimmerman's DNA on him, on his clothing, under his fingernails... It isn't fucking possible.
Apparently it IS possible. You are so gullible.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2013, 02:40:04 PM
Apparently it IS possible. You are so gullible.
No, it isn't...period. And really, you believe an implausible story from a known liar with a history of violence and
I'm the gullible one here? LMFAO! Yeah, go with that. :rolleyes:
Yeah there's no doubt about that. Zimmerman proved himself a liar and he proved it after the shooting.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2013, 02:59:46 PM
Yeah, it is. PERIOD.
Only to those of you who don't believe in science. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 17, 2013, 02:52:55 PM
Yeah there's no doubt about that. Zimmerman proved himself a liar and he proved it after the shooting.
Ya, he's just a "creepy ass cracker" so why believe anything he says?
Quote from: me on July 17, 2013, 04:25:33 PM
Ya, he's just a "creepy ass cracker" so why believe anything he says?
Hard to believe that someone such as yourself, who holds the truth in such high regard...oh no, wait...that was somebody else... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 05:06:37 PM
Hard to believe that someone such as yourself, who holds the truth in such high regard...oh no, wait...that was somebody else... :rolleyes:
:yes:
Indeed! There is no evidence around here that she holds any truth in such high regard. Of course, if it comes in the form of something in her inbox, it's better than the gospel.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 05:06:37 PM
Hard to believe that someone such as yourself, who holds the truth in such high regard...oh no, wait...that was somebody else... :rolleyes:
Hum, that's how Travon referred to Zimmerman according to his girlfriend.
Quote from: me on July 17, 2013, 05:58:40 PM
Hum, that's how Travon referred to Zimmerman according to his girlfriend.
I'd say it was a more than apt description.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 06:05:52 PM
I'd say it was a more than apt description.
And it shows him to be a racist.
Quote from: me on July 17, 2013, 09:39:04 PM
And it shows him to be a racist.
Really because I think that description fits you pretty well, too. Does that make me a racist?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 10:05:01 PM
Really because I think that description fits you pretty well, too. Does that make me a racist?
It makes you a jerk mostly. Are you done diverting now?
Quote from: me on July 17, 2013, 11:31:39 PM
It makes you a jerk mostly. Are you done diverting now?
You come on here with nothing but your creepy ass cracker comment and I'm diverting? :rolleyes:
'Cracker' is a term used by both Negros and Caucasians in the South - especially Florida.
and when used with "creepy-ass" in front of it, it is most certainly a derogatory terminology...no matter what state or race is using it.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 12:08:20 PM
They completely missed several points that seemed obvious to me. It was almost as if they were deliberately trying to throw it.
I think that is a point we have to consider.
First a disclaimer. I have NOT really followed the news coverage.
1. I think there was evidence there, but that the prosecution did a pizz poor job with it.
2. I think there would have been more, and more compelling, evidence had the original investigating officers and police chief had not taken it upon themselves to decide Zimmerman was innocent and Martin guilty and instead investigated the crime impartially and immediately, and properly, secured the crime scene and the evidence.
3. I also think the repeated painting of Zimmerman as 'white' backfired in the end as Zimmerman's 'story' was the one the jury was essentially left - see #2 - and, especially still in the South, the 'white' man will invariably be more 'believable'.
The entire situation - from start to finish - was a very dark comedy. One that ended with the unnecessary death of a young man.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 18, 2013, 04:57:28 PM
and when used with "creepy-ass" in front of it, it is most certainly a derogatory terminology...no matter what state or race is using it.
Please, stop trying to make excuses for Zimmerman and actually use your head.
If you were walking at night, talking in the phone, AND being followed, might you - or anyone else for that matter - use the term 'creepy-ass' or something similar to describe someone tracking you?
It would be a common response.
Quote from: libby on July 16, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
And now I'd like to add something that I remembered reading when Zimmerman killed the boy -- it regards Zimmerman's father, the Magistrate. Didn't know that?...
Zimmerman's father being a Magistrate, and considered as part of the law enforcement community, may have been a deciding influence in the failure on the part of the Police Chief to secure the scene and investigate properly and impartially, and his taking it upon himself to make a decision on the evidence - something that it was NOT his place to do.
Here is how the jury found to the loophole to acquit Zimmerman.
Their acquittal was grounded in this flawed law, and the failure of the prosecution to address the loophole and thus slam the door on Zimmerman's defense:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.012.html
Title XLVI
CRIMES
Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.
Basically, the prosecution allowed the defense to promote Zimmerman's 'tale' that he was in fear for his life.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 10:17:35 AM
There IS a reason for them thinking that way too........because evidence indicates that Zimmerman is telling us the truth.
Actually, the evidence appears to tell us that Zimmerman did not tell the truth, and may have manufactured both his tale and his MINOR injuries.
It also appears to tell us that there was a crime committed by Zimmerman and that both the investigation and prosecution of the crime were deeply flawed and at the least border on malfeasance, if not actual malfeasance itself.
Zimmerman is totally responsible for every event leading up to and including the death of Martin.
Zimmerman's culpability started the moment he violated his neighborhood watch agreement.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 16, 2013, 10:07:55 AM
That is what the Chief of Police said from the beginning, but was FIRED, because the MEDIA demanded an arrest.
1. It was NOT the Police Chief's purview to make that call.
His purview was to properly secure the crime scene and then to properly, and impartially conduct the investigation - the collection of evidence - which is THEN to be turned over to the PROSECUTOR to decide whether the EVIDENCE warrants CHARGES being filed.
2. How can the PC have been 'fired' when he submitted his own RESIGNATION!
Once he submitted it, the council was at its own leisure as when to enforce it.
Quote from: Y on July 18, 2013, 05:39:08 PM
Zimmerman is totally responsible for every event leading up to and including the death of Martin.
Zimmerman's culpability started the moment he violated his neighborhood watch agreement.
Wouldn't it been smart of Travon to have said he was going to his dad's when Zimmerman asked him what he was doing? Since his dad lives in that neighborhood and knew there was a neighborhood watch because of the burglaries shouldn't he have told Travon there was a neighborhood watch and not to do anything that could be deemed suspicious?
Someone referred to Zimmerman as a white Hispanic, not on here I don't believe but I heard one of the blacks on an interview refer to him that way. I'm wondering if Zimmerman is a white Hispanic does that make Obama a black Caucasian?
Quote from: me on July 18, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
Someone referred to Zimmerman as a white Hispanic, not on here I don't believe but I heard one of the blacks on an interview refer to him that way. I'm wondering if Zimmerman is a white Hispanic does that make Obama a black Caucasian?
Okay I'm going to flat-out say it. You're a racist. Every single post you have made on this thread exudes it.
Quote from: Locutus on July 18, 2013, 06:11:55 PM
Okay I'm going to flat-out say it. You're a racist. Every single post you have made on this thread exudes it.
I could prove I'm not but I think it's really a moot point as far as anything goes on this forum so I'll just let you live in your fantasy world and let you and the others rattle off your spoon fed propaganda crap 'til your hearts content.
Oh, you didn't answer my question.
Here are the pictures of Zimmerman's injuries.
Where they look the worst prior to being cleaned up:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hDq3xim2WUE/UbSD88pVnTI/AAAAAAAAbPc/DKtqaYLu_co/s1600/george_zimmerman.png)
After they have been cleaned up somewhat:
(http://www1.whdh.com/images/news_articles/320x180/120518_zimmerman.jpg)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 02:34:23 PM
Bashed in his head? Oh, you mean those two little cuts that didn't even require sutures? Hardly qualifies as a "bashed in head" to anyone with an IQ higher than 50 (which explains your interpretation). As far as breaking his own nose, yes, I believe that was self-inflicted. He knew he was fucked and was probably going to spend the rest of his life in prison so he injured himself to bolster his claim of self-defense. I watched someone shatter his elbow against the concrete so he would be discharged from the Army; people will injure themselves if they think they have reason enough.
Exactly. What DNA evidence is there that Trayvon Martin inflicted any of those injuries on Zimmerman? Please explain to everyone how Martin did all of the things you're claiming he did without getting any of Zimmerman's DNA on him, on his clothing, under his fingernails... It isn't fucking possible.
I agree that the injuries are minor.
I also say that they do NOT constitute injury enough to raise a reasonable belief of "
imminent death or great bodily harm" as required per FL. statute to justify use of deadly force.
One cannot help but accept that - with all the prior media attention to the SYG phrasing of the FL. statute, Zimmerman's father having been a Magistrate, and the fact that Zimmerman deliberately strapped on his gun in clear violation of his neighborhood watch mandate - Zimmerman was thoroughly versed in the requirements of that FL. statute and understood what was necessary for him to use it as a defense.
The lack of any DNA evidence to support Zimmerman's claim is a HUGE red flag alerting that Zimmerman's tale should be looked up as, at least, having a HIGH probability of fabrication.
Quote from: Y on July 18, 2013, 06:46:00 PM
I agree that the injuries are minor.
I also say that they do NOT constitute injury enough to raise a reasonable belief of "imminent death or great bodily harm" as required per FL. statute to justify use of deadly force.
One cannot help but accept that - with all the prior media attention to the SYG phrasing of the FL. statute, Zimmerman's father having been a Magistrate, and the fact that Zimmerman deliberately strapped on his gun in clear violation of his neighborhood watch mandate - Zimmerman was thoroughly versed in the requirements of that FL. statute and understood what was necessary for him to use it as a defense.
The lack of any DNA evidence to support Zimmerman's claim is a HUGE red flag alerting that Zimmerman's tale should be looked up as, at least, having a HIGH probability of fabrication.
He had a permit to carry, he was not patrolling but was on his way to go elsewhere from what I understand and happened to notice Travon acting suspiciously. He was not out to stalk anyone and had no clue who Travon was, he was just an unfamiliar person in a neighborhood which had had a lot of robberies.
Here is an article I just read, something for my fellow zoners to chew on:
1. There is Zero Evidence Race was Involved In the Shooting
Early last year, as the tragic and fatal shooting of teenager Trayvon Martin was just starting to bubble up, the media falsely described George Zimmerman as "white. (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/13/Media-Zimmerman-Coverage-Rap-Sheet)" The name Zimmerman apparently fooled the media into believing they had a white versus black narrative on their hands. Once they learned Zimmerman was Hispanic, rather than change course, in order to cover up their mistake, the media put the pedal to the metal in pushing a racial angle.
This crusade, however, is anti-science. A thorough federal investigation (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/13/FBI-no-racist-motive-Trayvon-case) into Zimmerman found absolutely no evidence that there was any racism in his past or in his motivations the night of the shooting.
During the trial, the prosecution did not accuse Zimmerman of having any kind of racial motive.
The one juror who has spoken out said the jury saw no evidence of a racial motivation (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id=%7B93DEBDB2-2A32-4014-B750-BD9EE0021008%7D&title=Zimmerman-Juror-Race-Did-Not-Play-A-Role).
The media's racial narrative is based on nothing more than partisan lies, speculation, innuendo, and a cynical alchemy conjured from nothing to enflame division and hate.
Moreover, it is reasonable to assume the media have been swarming Zimmerman's life looking for anything that might point to racism. But as of yet there have been no media reports (that weren't later debunked and retracted) reporting Zimmerman has been found to be a closet racist.
On the contrary...
2. Zimmerman's Admirable History of Being Colorblind Toward Blacks
Zimmerman's past indicates he is color blind. He has dated black women (http://www.examiner.com/article/ignored-by-media-zimmerman-voted-for-obama-tutored-black-kids), tutored black children (http://www.examiner.com/article/ignored-by-media-zimmerman-voted-for-obama-tutored-black-kids), once stood up for a black homeless man (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/24/George-Zimmerman-Black-Homeless-Man-Sanford-Police) against the police (we're told he so desperately wants to impress), has black relatives (http://www.examiner.com/article/ignored-by-media-zimmerman-voted-for-obama-tutored-black-kids), and voted for the first black president (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/06/Zimmerman-brother-voted-Obama).
3. Zimmerman is Hispanic, Not White
Like President Obama, Zimmerman has one white parent. Quite properly, the media have never referred to Obama as "half-black," a "self-described black," or a "white black." Obama is black. Period.
Zimmerman, however, has been stripped of his Hispanic racial identity across almost every media outlet in America. Though he is as Hispanic as Obama is black, because it is inconvenient to the white versus black racial narrative the media are hyping, the media refuse to identify Zimmerman as a Hispanic.
A full fifteen months after the media learned they had made a mistake and that their prey was Hispanic, some in media are still referring to Zimmerman as "white. (http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/07/15/AP-Still-Referring-to-Zimmerman-as-White)"
Those not referring to him as white are either ignoring his racial heritage altogether, or describing him as a "white Hispanic (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/11/CNN-white-hispanic)" or some variation of a "self-described Hispanic (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/15/Washington-Post-Zimmerman-White-Father)."
As far as I know, this is an unprecedented editorial decision.
Speaking of unprecedented...
4. Obama's Justice Department Has Launched a National Fishing Expedition Against Zimmerman
Probably because the reporting of such a frightening and Orwellian act of federal overreach might make look Zimmerman look sympathetic and hurt Obama, the media have apparently decided to ignore Attorney General Eric Holder's public witch hunt (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/16/DOJ-phone-call-Zimmerman). The Justice Department is setting up a public tip line for Americans to "help build a case against Zimmerman."
In order to build a civil rights case, the government needs evidence of racism.
The federal government crowd-sourcing for evidence against a single American is both chilling and something heretofore unheard of.
5. Like Some Conservatives, President Obama Feared Violence After the Verdict
One of the false racially-charged talking points some in media are using against conservatives is that we are racist for fearing there might be violence in the wake of the verdict (http://www.salon.com/2012/08/13/why_conservatives_obsess_over_flash_mobs_and_race_riots/).
Something inconvenient to that narrative is the fact that a black, leftist American president beloved by the media also feared there would be violence in the wake of the verdict. After the verdict was announced, the president released a statement that said in part (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/14/Obama-Responds-to-Zimmerman-Verdict-Stem-the-Tide-of-Gun-Violence):
I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken. I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son.
Unfortunately for a race-baiting media, this, one of the president's better moments, has to be ignored in order to serve an artificial narrative.
Which brings me to number six...
6. There Has Been Widespread Violence After the Verdict
The fear President Obama and those "racist" conservatives shared about the possibility of violence in the wake of the Zimmerman verdict has been vindicated.
In just a few days, Breitbart News has documented over two dozen separate acts of violence and lawlessness (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/16/Twenty-One-Acts-of-Post-Zimmerman%20Verdict-Violence-and-counting) throughout the country.
The media are dutifully covering up this widespread violence. Yes, they report on each separate act, but always with a "mostly peaceful" qualifier. The media also refuse to connect the dots and widen their reportorial context to show the entire picture.
One aspect of this lawless spree the racially-obsessed media adamantly refuse to report on are the reported "hate crimes" being committed by black against whites and Hispanics.
Which brings me to...
7. Zimmerman Protesters Commit Numerous Racially-Motivated Assaults:
While the irresponsible media is inventing from whole cloth a racial narrative in the Trayvon shooting, at the same time, they are willfully ignoring actual racially-motivated assaults occurring in the wake of the verdict.
Thus far, there have been three reported hate crime (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/16/Twenty-One-Acts-of-Post-Zimmerman%20Verdict-Violence-and-counting)s -- actual assaults -- committed by Trayvon supporters. But like the awful murders taking hundreds of black lives in Chicago, the media refuse to call national attention to these verdict-inspired hate crimes because there is no political upside in doing so. How can a liberal media call attention to the violence in Chicago when liberals and liberalism are the problem?
The same thinking holds true for these reported assaults by blacks against Hispanics and whites. To focus on reality might undermine the fabricated narrative that an innocent black teenager was stalked and murdered by a racist white man.
8. "Stand Your Ground" Has Nothing to do With the Zimmerman Case
Other than ginning up black turnout for Obama's re-election effort in the crucial swing state of Florida and enflaming racial tensions (which solidifies the Democrat base), another partisan goal the media hopes to achieve from the Zimmerman case is to toxify the "Stand Your Ground" laws that currently exist in 30 states.
But like the fact that Zimmerman is not white and that there is zero evidence showing race was in any way involved in his actions the night of the shooting, the media have also bumped into another inconvenient reality: "Stand Your Ground" had nothing to do with Zimmerman's defense or acquittal. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/07/17/eric_holders_stand_your_ground_squirrel_119255.html)
The Zimmerman case was a simple case of self-defense (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/07/17/eric_holders_stand_your_ground_squirrel_119255.html):
The jury received standard instructions. Zimmerman did not invoke the Stand Your Ground provision. Zimmerman later waived his right to a pretrial immunity hearing under the Stand Your Ground procedures.
And as National Review's Sterling Beard points out, "The only time Stand Your Ground came up during the trial proper was when a prosecution witness stated that he'd taught a class Zimmerman had attended that covered Stand Your Ground."
Even the prosecution rejects the cynical attempt to tie Martin's death to Stand Your Ground. Prosecutor John Guy couldn't have made it clearer during the trial: "This case is not about standing your ground." During their post-trial press conference, as conservative talk show host Victoria Taft first noted, a Miami Herald reporter asked the prosecution team specifically whether Stand Your Ground "affected the facts in this case and whether this case could have been won, perhaps, pre the changes in the law."
Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda replied: "You know, self-defense has existed for a long time. And we've dealt with it in Jackson for a long time.
These facts, though, have failed to stop Eric Holder or the media from pretending the complete opposite is true.
9. Rachel Jeantel Might Be Responsible for the Deadly Confrontation
An unfortunate mix of marijuana (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/08/Judge-Rules-Trayvon-Martin-s-Marijuana-Use-Admissible), homophobia, and a friend whispering warnings in your ear (http://drudgereport.com/flashrj.htm) at night, could go a long towards explaining why a physical altercation occurred:
[CNN's PIERS] MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it [Zimmerman following him]?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out?
She continued:
"And people need to understand, he didn't want that creepy ass cracker going to his father or girlfriend's house to go get -- mind you, his little brother was there. You know -- now, mind you, I told you -- I told Trayvon it might have been a rapist."
Evidence that shows why Trayvon might have been the aggressor, though, is inconvenient to a media desperate to enflame racial tensions. Moreover, bringing the issue of homophobia into the personal narratives of Trayvon and Jeantel just can't be allowed to happen.
This bombshell has been swept under the rug just as effectively as the other nine.
10. The Florida Justice System's Leniency Towards Trayvon Led to His Death
In order to make his crime statistics look good, Police Chief Charles Hurley of the Miami-Dade School Police Department is suspected of juicing the numbers by treating outright crimes as simple disciplinary problems. As Robert Stacy McCain reports (http://spectator.org/blog/2013/07/15/trayvon-crime-school-miami) in the American Spectator, Trayvon Martin ended up being a victim of this practice.
Instead of being arrested and charged after being found with a burglary tool and 13 pieces of jewelry stolen from a house a half-mile from the school, Trayvon was suspended from school. Trayvon was also caught with marijuana:
Either of those incidents could have put Trayvon Martin into the custody of the juvenile justice system. However, because of Chief Hurley's attempt to reduce the school crime statistics — according to sworn testimony, officers were "basically told to lie and falsify" reports — Martin was never arrested. And if he had been arrested, he might never have been in Sanford the night of his fatal encounter with Zimmerman.
What we have here is a case of police corruption in which the media have shown no interest, even though you can connect the dots to Trayvon's tragic death.
But to report this story would mean upsetting the narrative that Trayvon was an innocent (like many of us at 17, he got in trouble) and that the only cause of his death was a racist white man protected by racist white laws (passed almost unanimously by Republicans and Democrats (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-27/news/os-ed-trayvon-martin-stand-your-ground-intro-03271-20120326_1_unintended-consequences-ground-law)).
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While the simple and noble act of reporting the full truth might help to ease tensions, as racial violence breaks out across the country, the media have shown no remorse for enflaming citizens with falsehoods.
Sadly, the media have not even signaled that they might slow down.
If anything, the media are just warming up for what they seem to hope will be "a long, hot weekend. (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/15/NBCs-Al-Sharpton-Plans-Protest-in-100-Cities)"
Really? Trash from breitbart.com? Too bad that lying scumbag's website didn't die when he did. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2013, 01:59:41 PM
Really? Trash from breitbart.com? Too bad that lying scumbag's website didn't die when he did. :rolleyes:
Like it or not, they support their stories with sources of facts and info to check it out yourself.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2013, 02:09:23 PM
Like it or not, they support their stories with sources of facts and info to check it out yourself.
No they don't...they've been caught in outright lies so many times it's not funny. No wonder your perpective on everything is so warped if you read garbage like this.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2013, 02:38:42 PM
No they don't...they've been caught in outright lies so many times it's not funny. No wonder your perpective on everything is so warped if you read garbage like this.
hey! I read all sorts of garbage...............wait!
gotta have a sense of humor....
Just think how boring this place would be if I didn't come here....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 19, 2013, 02:54:05 PM
hey! I read all sorts of garbage...............wait!
gotta have a sense of humor....
Just think how boring this place would be if I didn't come here....
True! Every village needs its idiot. :biggrin:
Quote from: Bo D on July 19, 2013, 03:53:04 PM
True! Every village needs its idiot. :biggrin:
This village has more than one. :yes: :big grin:
Quote from: Locutus on July 19, 2013, 05:26:50 PM
This village has more than one. :yes: :big grin:
Aw good, you have a buddy.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 19, 2013, 01:59:41 PM
Really? Trash from breitbart.com? Too bad that lying scumbag's website didn't die when he did. :rolleyes:
I knew it. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
It's probably the same place they're getting their ACA information from. . .
And here we go: :rant: Thanks Mr. President.
The pro-Trayvon Martin protests sweeping the nation have become violent riots in some cities like Houston, Los Angeles, and Oakland.
On Monday night, rioters in Houston put the life of a 7-year-0ld in danger. The young girl was having an extreme allergic reaction, and was being driven to the hospital by her mother and grandmother. However, a group of violent protestors blocked the their vehicle, keeping it stalled for a substantial chunk of time. All the while, the 7-year-old was suffering in the back seat.
The grandmother, who only identified herself as Georgia, said, "I looked up and I see all the protesters, they're everywhere... So, we got into the traffic and they're stopping us and not letting us go."
Georgia's daughter (the 7-year-old's mother) was driving the car at the time of the incident. She tried to drive around the protestors by driving through grass, but the rioters continued to target the car and block them from moving at all.
"One of them was hitting the windshield and I was just screaming, 'We've got to get to the hospital,' and they were screaming and chanting. All I could think of was, I got to get my granddaughter to the hospital," Georgia said.
When Georgia rolled down her window to ask the rioters to move out of the way, they physically assaulted her.
Georgia's daughter said, "She said, 'We're trying to get my granddaughter to the hospital,' and a guy just started hitting her."
A video shot by a local news affiliate shows the crowd blocking the car and a man assaulting Georgia.
"It wasn't peaceful. It was terrifying," Georgia said.
Good grief. These protests aren't even about Trayvon Martin anymore. They have turned into violent riots for people who just want an excuse to be angry.
And the worst part? The so-called "mainstream" media refuses to report on the violence, since it doesn't align with their liberal agenda.
No link to that?
yeah, there is, I just got in a hurry. Will get it later.
Going to take my kids to see a movie..... :yes:
there is a video on google showing it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 20, 2013, 03:09:54 PM
yeah, there is, I just got in a hurry. Will get it later.
Going to take my kids to see a movie..... :yes:
there is a video on google showing it.
Translation: I'm too lazy to link to it because it came from some extremist, right-wing propaganda site.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 20, 2013, 03:38:24 PM
Translation: I'm too lazy to link to it because it came from some extremist, right-wing propaganda site.
http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh/-/index.html
Quote from: me on July 20, 2013, 04:40:18 PM
http://www.click2houston.com/news/local-familys-emergency-trip-to-hospital-interrupted-by-protestors/-/1735978/21009282/-/xa44gh/-/index.html
Like I said:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 20, 2013, 03:38:24 PM
Translation: I'm too lazy to link to it because it came from some extremist, right-wing propaganda site.
See why we don't bother with you all and sending links. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 21, 2013, 07:42:46 PM
See why we don't bother with you all and sending links. :rolleyes:
Yes. I do. And it isn't the reason you are trying to infer. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 21, 2013, 07:45:27 PM
Yes. I do. And it isn't the reason you are trying to infer. . . :rolleyes:
Whether you want to admit it or not it is.
Don't bother me.........the link is sufficient and my post was too........For some reason, he has become hateful just as are many liberals. Personal attacks and name-calling.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2013, 11:17:38 AM
Don't bother me.........the link is sufficient and my post was too........For some reason, he has become hateful just as are many liberals. Personal attacks and name-calling.
Bully tactics, programed in bully tactics pure and simple.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2013, 01:34:30 PM
Bully tactics, programed in bully tactics pure and simple.
^^
Stupidity. And you just can't fix it.
Quote from: Locutus on July 22, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
Stupidity. And you just can't fix it.
Did you notice that the link provided points to a milder version of the events than the version henry posted that is circulating on the neocon websites? Ironic considering how vehemently they've been claiming the media have been guilty of race baiting throughout this whole ordeal and completely undermines any claims that they aren't all a bunch of racists.
Quote from: Locutus on July 22, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
^^
Stupidity. And you just can't fix it.
classic example.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2013, 02:41:23 PM
classic example.
Yes it is. It's a classic example of the stupidity that she continually posts without the slightest clue what she's talking about. How many times have you seen her engage on topics where she lays out her position and backs it up with facts, evidence, and logic?
Take my posts on the SYG laws as they applied to the Zimmerman verdict as an example. Have you ever seen her do anything remotely close to that? The answer is no.
What we have instead are absolute statements with no basis in fact:
1. They can't grow grapes in England.
2. There's a "sand monument" to Obama at the DNC.
3. Zimmerman's verdict had no basis in Florida's Stand Your Ground laws.
The list goes on, and on, and on. :rolleyes:
I think Hank is referring to my comment as a classic example since I'm sure that with his limited reading comprehension skills he can't see that his version of that story was embellished specifically to make people of color appear as savages.
Well he quoted my remarks. ;D
That's why I responded.
Quote from: Locutus on July 22, 2013, 02:59:29 PM
What we have instead are absolute statements with no basis in fact:
1. They can't grow grapes in England.
My all-time favorite! :biggrin:
You guy's are pathetic. Practically every word that comes out of your mouths is the same drivel I hear from liberals on TV and elsewhere. I will have to say you all do program rather well.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2013, 03:53:23 PM
You guy's are pathetic. Practically every word that comes out of your mouths is the same drivel I hear from liberals on TV and elsewhere. I will have to say you all do program rather well.
Cite some then and specifically point out where the comments are erroneous.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2013, 03:53:23 PM
You guy's are pathetic. Practically every word that comes out of your mouths is the same drivel I hear from liberals on TV and elsewhere. I will have to say you all do program rather well.
Liberals on TV are talking about you lying?
Quote from: Locutus on July 22, 2013, 03:28:16 PM
Well he quoted my remarks. ;D
That's why I responded.
She posted a site that backed up my post. It was from a local TV station web site. PH starts going on that it is a some extremist, right-wing propaganda site. It wasn't. I didn't post a link at the time, because I was having fun with my family and just peeking in from time to time. I cut and pasted the article, but not the website....
My point is, I hate that people on here attack with such malice and hatred sometimes....I know I have fallen into that trap but try very hard to avoid it....I get frustrated and end up lowering myself down to a different level.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
. . . PH starts going on that it is a some extremist, right-wing propaganda site. It wasn't. . . .
Get your facts straight bird brain. I
speculated that it was probably from some right wing extremist site BEFORE she posted her link. Her link just validated it to a degree. (Note: You still haven't posted YOUR source for that drivel).
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2013, 11:17:38 AM
...For some reason, he has become hateful just as are many liberals. . .
If I am going to be perpetually accused of something, then I might as well actually do it and enjoy the fruits of it.
You are amazing...........even when I prove you wrong, you always have an excuse.
can you ever admit when you are wrong?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 22, 2013, 04:06:19 PM
Liberals on TV are talking about you lying?
That caused me to spit water everywhere ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2013, 07:16:35 PM
You are amazing...........even when I prove you wrong, you always have an excuse.
can you ever admit when you are wrong?
How short your memory is. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 22, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
How short your memory is. . .
You wasn't "speculating" you said it WAS some extremist, right-wing propaganda site..... :rolleyes:
and her link was NOT a even a right wing site....it is just a local Houston TV Channel ....
George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue a family who was trapped in an overturned vehicle, police said today.
Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla. at approximately 5:45 p.m. Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.
The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.
By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.
Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/storynew?id=19735432 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/storynew?id=19735432)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2013, 09:32:42 PM
George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue a family who was trapped in an overturned vehicle, police said today.
Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla. at approximately 5:45 p.m. Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.
The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.
By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.
Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/storynew?id=19735432 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/storynew?id=19735432)
Did he have his gun, Skippy? :confused: :biggrin:
They haven't given him his gun back yet.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2013, 09:22:03 PM
..it is just a local Houston TV Channel ....
How do you tell it is a right winged zealot news source? It is in Texas. . . All of them are in Texas. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 23, 2013, 08:50:56 AM
How do you tell it is a right winged zealot news source? It is in Texas. . . All of them are in Texas. :yes:
Yeah, thats why Houston has a DEMOCRAT Mayor and a mostly democrat city council. Try again.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2013, 09:20:51 AM
Yeah, thats why Houston has a DEMOCRAT Mayor and a mostly democrat city council. Try again.
Ah yes ... Houston .... an island of sanity in a vast sea of madness. :biggrin:
I thought that was Austin. That's the only consistently liberal area of Texas. I have friends from there.
I can't really argue with anything he has to say here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYK0Y6kaxmg) except this is not who Trayvon Martin was.
Quote from: Locutus on July 23, 2013, 02:33:38 PM
I thought that was Austin. That's the only consistently liberal area of Texas. I have friends from there.
Oh you would be referring to the "People's Republic of Austin"....at least that is the buzz on the street.
I can't speak to the politics in Houston, but Austin is absolutely the most liberal area of Texas.
Quote from: Locutus on July 23, 2013, 03:24:11 PM
I can't speak to the politics in Houston, but Austin is absolutely the most liberal area of Texas.
Yeah, I have heard that too, and they ARE politically democrat, at least the city is.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 23, 2013, 02:52:18 PM
I can't really argue with anything he has to say here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYK0Y6kaxmg) except this is not who Trayvon Martin was.
Travon Martin had little to do with what he was saying other than to describe how he looked that night and why he look suspicious.
Quote from: Locutus on July 23, 2013, 03:24:11 PM
I can't speak to the politics in Houston, but Austin is absolutely the most liberal area of Texas.
OK. So Texas has two islands of sanity. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Quote from: Bo D on July 23, 2013, 03:47:21 PM
OK. So Texas has two islands of sanity. :biggrin: :biggrin:
Exactly. In all honesty though, I was completely unaware of Houston being that way. Harris County, TX (Houston) led the nation in death penalty convictions and sentences as of a couple of years ago.
Quote from: me on July 23, 2013, 03:44:13 PM
Travon Martin had little to do with what he was saying other than to describe how he looked that night and why he look suspicious.
And that remark was completely off base. Really? He was dressed the way some thugs dress? Why, because he was wearing pants and a hoodie? I dress like that too sometimes!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 23, 2013, 04:19:55 PM
And that remark was completely off base. Really? He was dressed the way some thugs dress? Why, because he was wearing pants and a hoodie? I dress like that too sometimes!
Sanford police investigator Christopher Serino said he believes Zimmerman pursued Martin because he was wearing a hoodie, not because Martin was black. Serino "told the FBI that gangs in Sanford, referred to in the community as 'goons,' typically dressed in black and wore
hoodies. Serino described Zimmerman as overzealous and having a 'little hero complex,' but not a racist."
couple that in with Eight of the last eight breakins in that neighborhood were by young teen-aged black kids.
Right or wrong profiling is what most people do when they are trying to figure out if someone is suspicious or not.
Quote from: Locutus on July 23, 2013, 02:33:38 PM
I thought that was Austin. That's the only consistently liberal area of Texas. I have friends from there.
Yep. And I have family in Houston. . . :yes:
Houston is considered to be a politically divided city whose balance of power often sways between Republicans and Democrats. The affluent western-central portions of Houston—such as River Oaks and the Memorial/Spring Branch area, as well as master planned communities of Kingwood and Clear Lake City—consistently vote Republican, while many of the inner city areas, Neartown, and Alief—are heavily Democratic.
Yet despite this stacked deck, and helped by the fact that in the 2009 election garnered just a 16.9% turnout, Annise Danette Parker capped an unorthodox election season that lacked a strong conservative mayoral contender and saw her coalition of inside-the-Loop Democrats and moderate conservatives, backed by an army of ardent volunteers, win the day over Locke, a former civil rights activist who attempted to unite African-American voters and Republicans.
Parker is the first openly gay elected official to lead a city in this nation.
That being said, it still doesn't mean squat when it comes to the conservative spawn that consistently lean republican not just in Harris county, but throughout the state of Texas. (As does its media outlets as well.)
And I know. I have done a TON of research on Houston and the surrounding areas / counties, as well as spoken to legions of Texans about the economy and politics of that area. And I did so not just because I have family there, but because I have had some very real and potentially lucrative job offers to relocate to that area; some of which remain on the table.
I just cannot see myself living in a sea of conservative religious zealots and hypocrites. . . . Oh wait. . . I live in Indiana . . . :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2013, 04:40:04 PM
Sanford police investigator Christopher Serino said he believes Zimmerman pursued Martin because he was wearing a hoodie, not because Martin was black. Serino "told the FBI that gangs in Sanford, referred to in the community as 'goons,' typically dressed in black and wore hoodies. Serino described Zimmerman as overzealous and having a 'little hero complex,' but not a racist."
couple that in with Eight of the last eight breakins in that neighborhood were by young teen-aged black kids.
Right or wrong profiling is what most people do when they are trying to figure out if someone is suspicious or not.
Serino himself stated under oath, that he was biased by his affinity with Zimmy. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 23, 2013, 04:19:55 PM
And that remark was completely off base. Really? He was dressed the way some thugs dress? Why, because he was wearing pants and a hoodie? I dress like that too sometimes!
Had you been a stranger in that neighborhood wearing that same type of apparel and acting suspicious Zimmerman would have questioned you too. When my better half was young teens with long hair were marked as being bad news and he was "profiled" many times for that because they, the cops, figured he was a druggie.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 23, 2013, 08:05:57 PM
Serino himself stated under oath, that he was biased by his affinity with Zimmy. . . :rolleyes:
What does that have to do with what I stated about the gangs and hoods? Seriously.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 23, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
What does that have to do with what I stated about the gangs and hoods? Seriously.
I'm done explaining anything to you. . .
And another thing; that "description" pretty much is me, dead on, on weekends and days off in the spring and fall periods. Not to mention a lot of Goths . . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 23, 2013, 09:20:32 PM
I'm done explaining anything to you. . .
And another thing; that "description" pretty much is me, dead on, on weekends and days off in the spring and fall periods. Not to mention a lot of Goths . . .
Like I told Ex. Quote from: me on July 23, 2013, 08:36:39 PM
Had you been a stranger in that neighborhood wearing that same type of apparel and acting suspicious Zimmerman would have questioned you too. When my better half was young teens with long hair were marked as being bad news and he was "profiled" many times for that because they, the cops, figured he was a druggie.
Who does not have a hoodie or two or three? In cool to cold weather, paired with a t-shirt and sweat pants, they are my choice of warm lounging clothes, and serve equally well if I have to get up and answer a knock on the door or run to the mailbox -- or run an errand or take a walk.
I have a hoodie. I never get to wear it because it's too fuggin' hot, but I do have one. :biggrin:
I always take one when I go back to Bluefield, even in the summer. Those evenings, even in July (when it is miserably hot here) sometimes require a sweater or hoodie.
If I go anywhere north of the Georgia state line, even in summer, I'll have it. ;D
I have hoodies TOO! What difference does THAT make?
If I was walking around a neighborhood at NIGHT in the RAIN with my HOODIE on, and a neighborhood watch guy asked me what I was doing, I would tell him. HOW HARD IS THAT TO DO? Seriously?
I would NOT beat the hell out of him THAT is for sure.....
This whole thing is SO FAR BLOWN out of proportion it is ridicules.
Quote from: me on July 23, 2013, 08:36:39 PM
Had you been a stranger in that neighborhood wearing that same type of apparel and acting suspicious Zimmerman would have questioned you too.
Nothing in any of the testimony indicates that Zimmerman ever identified himself as a neighborhood watch volunteer or tried to engage Martin in conversation in any way. Even if he had, what right does Zimmerman have to "question" anyone? Let me answer that rhetorical question for you: none. Zimmerman was not nor has he ever been a law enforcement officer.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 24, 2013, 07:49:52 AM
If I was walking around a neighborhood at NIGHT in the RAIN with my HOODIE on, and a neighborhood watch guy asked me what I was doing, I would tell him. HOW HARD IS THAT TO DO? Seriously?
Nothing in any of the testimony indicates that Zimmerman ever identified himself as a neighborhood watch volunteer or tried to engage Martin in conversation in any way. Even if he had, what right does Zimmerman have to "question" anyone? Let me answer that rhetorical question for you: none. Zimmerman was not nor has he ever been a law enforcement officer.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2013, 09:19:04 AM
Nothing in any of the testimony indicates that Zimmerman ever identified himself as a neighborhood watch volunteer or tried to engage Martin in conversation in any way. Even if he had, what right does Zimmerman have to "question" anyone? Let me answer that rhetorical question for you: none. Zimmerman was not nor has he ever been a law enforcement officer.
I agree with that....but I think MOST people would have asked Zimmerman what he wanted, OR just ignore him and continue about your business.........NOT attack him.
But, we are getting off of my original point....a kid in a hoodie, walking in the dark, in the rain, in a neighborhood whose last eight burglaries was by gang related kids......THAT raises a flag to keep an eye on them, especially if you ARE a Neighborhood Watch person, selected by the people of THAT neighborhood.
You claimed I was completely off base. I say NO I wasn't. He had a right to follow and see what was up.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 24, 2013, 09:30:54 AM
He had a right to follow and see what was up.
You start following me around in the dark without telling me who you are or your intentions and you'll get dog bit. Good luck getting your handgun out before the dog gets to you or using it with mangled hands. Just sayin'... You act creepy, expect to get fucked up.
You are always a tough guy....I know.
If someboy had a dog, like a german shepherd, then it would be just stupid to get too close to them, without communicating to them. Stupid is as stupid does.
again, you claimed I was way off base, to follow someone, walking in the dark, in the rain, in a neighborhood whose last eight burglaries was by gang related kids......with a HOODIE on.
I say, he (Zimmerman) was doing what many others would have done.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 24, 2013, 12:17:46 PM
You are always a tough guy....I know.
Someone has to be.
Quoteagain, you claimed I was way off base, to follow someone, walking in the dark, in the rain, in a neighborhood whose last eight burglaries was by gang related kids......with a HOODIE on.
Actually, I stated that Bill O'Reilly was way off base but you missed that there was link to a video in that message.
QuoteI say, he (Zimmerman) was doing what many others would have done.
How you do something makes all of the difference in the world.
Here is another good perspective on this. (http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/romany-malco-pens-message-to-trayvon-sympathizers/)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2013, 05:43:38 PM
Someone has to be.
Way to step up to the plate... ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2013, 05:43:38 PM
Actually, I stated that Bill O'Reilly was way off base but you missed that there was link to a video in that message.
Go back and read, you made that comment after my remark, but who cares...that is not my point.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2013, 05:43:38 PM
How you do something makes all of the difference in the world.
I agree with this very much....and agree that BOTH did not handle this situation very well...and a kid died.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2013, 05:43:38 PM
Here is another good perspective on this. (http://www.eurweb.com/2013/07/romany-malco-pens-message-to-trayvon-sympathizers/)
I think this is an excellent point of view....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 24, 2013, 10:25:32 PM
Go back and read...
It's actually you who needs to go back and read. Please do so before you embarrass yourself further.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls)
I ask all of you to take 10 minutes and watch this video. Apply your critical thinking skills and open-mindedness.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 25, 2013, 09:22:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls)
I ask all of you to take 10 minutes and watch this video. Apply your critical thinking skills and open-mindedness.
I was going to post that yesterday and figured what's the point they won't believe any of it anyway because of what they've been programed to believe.
Quote from: me on July 25, 2013, 09:52:05 AM
I was going to post that yesterday and figured what's the point they won't believe any of it anyway because of what they've been programed to believe.
You racist bastards. That last picture was a picture of Obama when he was in college. With you racist bastards it all about Obama and your hatred of Obama and the black race.
This clown and all of his pure bullshit tells it all. :finger2:
Quote from: me on July 25, 2013, 09:52:05 AM
I was going to post that yesterday and figured what's the point they won't believe any of it anyway because of what they've been programed to believe.
Perhaps the two of you clowns should do a little research on your new hero.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2013, 11:15:56 AM
Perhaps the two of you clowns should do a little research on your new hero.
No, perhaps you should. Some real research instead of what you're being programed to believe.
Quote from: The Troll on July 25, 2013, 11:11:17 AM
You racist bastards. That last picture was a picture of Obama when he was in college. With you racist bastards it all about Obama and your hatred of Obama and the black race.
This clown and all of his pure bullshit tells it all. :finger2:
Ya, real role model huh? Travon really could have been him.
Quote from: me on July 25, 2013, 11:18:29 AM
No, perhaps you should. Some real research instead of what you're being programed to believe.
You can't even spell, "programmed," you illiterate sheep. Follow your new leader so he can tell you what to think!
Ex, did you watch the video? That is all I asked. I realize that it IS indeed a right-winged site.......it was presented on a factual basis. I think it is interesting about the "tea" that the media said he bought, when in fact is was NOT tea. The skittles, the emails....all of it, makes it interesting to say the least.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 25, 2013, 11:47:12 AM
Ex, did you watch the video? That is all I asked. I realize that it IS indeed a right-winged site.......it was presented on a factual basis. I think it is interesting about the "tea" that the media said he bought, when in fact is was NOT tea. The skittles, the emails....all of it, makes it interesting to say the least.
I started to watch it when someone posted it on Facebook last night but quickly decided Whittle had an agenda so I went and looked him up and quickly realized that, yes, I am still able to identify a douchebag in under 30 seconds.
Still claiming not to be trying to dehumanize the victim?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2013, 12:01:50 PM
I started to watch it when someone posted it on Facebook last night but quickly decided Whittle had an agenda so I went and looked him up and quickly realized that, yes, I am still able to identify a douchebag in under 30 seconds.
Still claiming not to be trying to dehumanize the victim?
Just looking at the facts........THAT paints a realistic picture. So, you didn't watch it? nice.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2013, 11:33:03 AM
You can't even spell, "programmed," you illiterate sheep. Follow your new leader so he can tell you what to think!
Typo smart ass.
Juan Williams response to Bill O'reilly's comments about Blacks, Trayvon and Obama..
By Juan Williams (http://www.foxnews.com/archive/author/Juan-Williams/index.html)
Published July 24, 2013
Mr. President, it's your move.
The heat of public reaction from the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin murder trial is starting to cool.
Now the first black president has a chance to use his unique standing in black America to move beyond the racial static. He can help future Trayvon Martins – poor, young, black American men – avoid falling into more trouble and off America's ladder of upward mobility.
Bill O'Reilly passionately made the point on his show this week when he said it is time for "straight talk and I hope the president is listening because we need him to lead on this issue."
And the issue O'Reilly loudly nailed to the presidential wall for priority action is the high number of young black men who are victims of violent crime, who are convicted of violent crime and end up in jail for breaking the law.
"The statistics are overwhelming," O'Reilly said. "Here is the headline: Young black men commit homicides at a rate ten times greater than whites and Hispanics combined." And the root cause of the problem, O'Reilly said, is "the disintegration of the African-American family."
It is hard for O'Reilly to make this point and get young black men or civil rights leaders to listen.
When a white conservative raises the issue of black men and crime, especially after the overwhelming white Republican support for a verdict that gave no justice to the black family of a murdered teen, a lot of people are going to see it as trying to shift the focus to problems in the black community. They also dismiss it as an attempt to distract black people from their outrage over recent events.
That is why it is time for people who care about black America to act.
That is why O'Reilly is exactly right to point to the black man with the highest level of credibility in black America since Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. – President Obama – and challenge that man to deliver the message to black America that it is time to focus on fixing the black family and helping young black men get on the road to success.
Bill Cosby, the famous comic entertainer, has a lot of credibility in black America. He has tried to deliver the message that there is map for young black men to find success. I wrote a book about Cosby's epic effort, it's called 'ENOUGH: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America – and What We Can Do About It."
But no one has the chance to deliver that message as powerfully as President Obama can right now. He is in a unique historical position, with a singular pulpit from which to speak and act to do something incredible to help young black men benefit from the opportunities in our great country.
Here is what he should say clearly. The road to success is plain as day.
1. Stay in school and graduate from the highest level of school– but absolutely, no excuses, graduate from high school.
2. Take a job and hold it, no matter what job, no matter if your friends put you down for 'flipping burgers.' Use the job to get experience, make contacts with business people, and build a resume.
3. Marry after you have finished your education and while you have a job.
And the final step is important for you and for the future of your family and your community:
4. Don't have children until you are 21-years-old and married.
Imagine if President Obama repeated that message over and over, ignoring the phonies who want to focus only on "systemic" racism as the reason for high rates of poverty, involvement with crime, and incarceration among black men.
Imagine if the president delivered that message despite attempted to intimidate him by civil rights leaders like Rev. Jesse Jackson who said the president deserved to be castrated for calling for black men to be good fathers.
Imagine if he decided to deliver that message and by-passed the so-called 'racial experts' and academics who prefer to look at America's troubled racial history – slavery and legal segregation.
The answer is the president could make a difference in millions of lives and build a legacy on par with Dr. King.
And that message is a proven solution. Here is the track record for that solution as I wrote about it in my book, "ENOUGH: The Phony Leaders, Dead-End Movements, and Culture of Failure That Are Undermining Black America--and What We Can Do About It. (http://www.amazon.com/Enough-Dead-End-Movements-Undermining-America--/dp/030733824X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374692795&sr)" "The poverty rate for any black man or woman who follows that formula is a mere 6.4 percent...in other words by meeting those basic requirements black American can cut their chances of being poor by two-thirds...even white American families have a higher poverty rate than black people who finished high school, got married, had children after 21 and worked for at least one week a year."
The key for black women is also in the formula – do not have a baby outside of a strong marriage. Over a third [35 percent] of the black women who have children out of wedlock – now tragically more than 70 percent – live in poverty.
By comparison, only 17 percent of black women who are married live in poverty. And black children with both parents at home have a better chance for success, fewer dealings with the police, higher graduation rates and are more likely to marry before they have children.
Marriage and the presence of adults as role models and loving disciplinarians is absolutely critical helping young black men build the self-esteem that puts them in position to make good decisions that lead to the road to success.
As usual, my pal O'Reilly puts it more bluntly: "Right now 73 percent of all black babies are born out of wedlock. That drives poverty and the lack of involved fathers leads to young boys growing up resentful and unsupervised. When was the last time you saw a public service ad telling young black girls to avoid [out-of-wedlock pregnancies]? Has President Obama done such an ad?"
There's nothing that could be done for young black men that's more powerful, that would help them more, than strong fathers who are present in strong families.
Mr. President, it is your move.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/24/president-obama-oreilly-and-trayvon-cry-for-help/print#ixzz2a4g6CUzU (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/24/president-obama-oreilly-and-trayvon-cry-for-help/print#ixzz2a4g6CUzU)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 25, 2013, 12:03:29 PM
Just looking at the facts...
The garbage he is spewing are not facts and he isn't the first one to attempt to make the ridiculous assertion that tea and skittles are part of some secret drug concoction that Trayvon was using (even while no narcotics were found in his system). They are lies and when you perpetuate them, it makes you the liar.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2013, 01:13:42 PM
The garbage he is spewing are not facts and he isn't the first one to attempt to make the ridiculous assertion that tea and skittles are part of some secret drug concoction that Trayvon was using (even while no narcotics were found in his system). They are lies and when you perpetuate them, it makes you the liar.
Wrong!
Traces of the marijuana-related substance found in the teen's system....
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting)
According to ABC News, he had the drug THC in his system the night of this death.
http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-had-drugs-system-autopsy-found-203258665--abc-news-topstories.html (http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-had-drugs-system-autopsy-found-203258665--abc-news-topstories.html)
wanna try again?
again, watch the video, they even supply PM's to a friend discussing it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 25, 2013, 01:29:15 PM
Wrong!
Traces of the marijuana-related substance found in the teen's system....
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting)
According to ABC News, he had the drug THC in his system the night of this death.
http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-had-drugs-system-autopsy-found-203258665--abc-news-topstories.html (http://news.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-had-drugs-system-autopsy-found-203258665--abc-news-topstories.html)
wanna try again?
again, watch the video, they even supply PM's to a friend discussing it.
Although often misused by the uninformed, by definition, a narcotic is an opioid. Marijuana is not, ergo, marijuana is not a narcotic. Now, do you want to try again or would you rather continue to bask in that ignorance you wear like a medal?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2013, 01:13:42 PM
The garbage he is spewing are not facts and he isn't the first one to attempt to make the ridiculous assertion that tea and skittles are part of some secret drug concoction that Trayvon was using (even while no narcotics were found in his system). They are lies and when you perpetuate them, it makes you the liar.
If you would watch the video you would find out what he had was not just "tea" it was Arizona Watermellon tea and they did find marijuana in his system. They also found kidney damage consistent with the use of "lean". Now go watch the video.
Lean, also known as purple drank is created by mixing prescription cough syrup with two other things. Usually the two are jolly ranchers and soda, but a particular mixture requires skittles, Arizona Watermellon tea, and robutussin. The two items needed were purchased by trayvon before his death.
The normal ingredients in "lean" are sprite, Jolly Ranchers and codeine. Based on the twisted logic your racist websites are using, every black kid in the country who buys any kind of soft drink and candy at the same time must be using drugs.
You fucking people will believe anything if it let's you rationalize killing an unarmed black teen. I hope I'm able to see it when karma bites you in the ass.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2013, 01:50:32 PM
Although often misused by the uninformed, by definition, a narcotic is an opioid. Marijuana is not, ergo, marijuana is not a narcotic. Now, do you want to try again or would you rather continue to bask in that ignorance you wear like a medal?
He had part, 2/3rds, of the ingredients to make the narcotic and the liver damage due to using that type of thing. No one said he had a narcotic already in his blood stream. And you say we can't comprehend???? The whole point is he was not the angelic "kid" the media painted him to be for political and agenda reasons. While I agree that it was a tragic thing to have happened I also think to use it in this manner and destroy another persons life and put his entire family in harms way to score points is totally wrong. Travon may have ended up getting himself together at some point and done something great when he got older but the point is at this time of his life he was no innocent child as is being portrayed.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2013, 02:12:11 PM
The normal ingredients in "lean" are sprite, Jolly Ranchers and codeine. Based on the twisted logic your racist websites are using, every black kid in the country who buys any kind of soft drink and candy at the same time must be using drugs.
You fucking people will believe anything if it let's you rationalize killing an unarmed black teen. I hope I'm able to see it when karma bites you in the ass.
Lean, also known as purple drank is created by mixing prescription cough syrup with two other things. Usually the two are jolly ranchers and soda, but a particular mixture requires skittles, Arizona Watermellon tea, and robutussin. The two items needed were purchased by trayvon before his death.Check into it a little further and you will find other drinks, including Hawaiian Punch also being used. It depends on what you want to achieve with the drink as to which type of soda is used.
I haven't witnessed as much demonization of a dead teenager as I have seen by a couple of people on this thread. It's simply unbelievable.
He won't watch the video, because it makes too much sense.
btw, I never mentioned he was on narcotics........but he is having a discussion on line about "lean" whic IS a narcotic.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3-SuUrbNR8k/UfFtEVBWCOI/AAAAAAAACJ8/-iXsTlxCb8Y/s330/trayvon.jpg)
Quote from: Locutus on July 25, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
I haven't witnessed as much demonization of a dead teenager as I have seen by a couple of people on this thread. It's simply unbelievable.
Demonization and not glorifying by telling the truth about him are two different things. His being dead does not change the facts and suddenly make him and "innocent child".
Quote from: Locutus on July 25, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
I haven't witnessed as much demonization of a dead teenager as I have seen by a couple of people on this thread. It's simply unbelievable.
demonization? Really? Pointing out some truths is demonization? How about Zimmerman? He has been demonized on here by several.
a fat *****?... a murderer? .... he caused his own injuries?....c'mon ....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 25, 2013, 02:32:06 PM
a fat *****?...
Is he fat? Yes. Is he a *****? He described tw superficial scratches as having his head bashed in so yeah, he's a ***** too.
Quote...a murderer?...
He killed an unarmed person who was minding his own business until Zimmerman followed and/or confronted him. That makes him a murderer.
Quote...he caused his own injuries?....c'mon ....
DNA evidence does not support Martin having caused Zimmerman's injuries.
Quote from: Locutus on July 25, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
I haven't witnessed as much demonization of a dead teenager as I have seen by a couple of people on this thread. It's simply unbelievable.
What do you expect from these two? Then they whine and cry, "why me," when karma catches up to them and they get ass cancer.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2013, 03:27:22 PM
What do you expect from these two? Then they whine and cry, "why me," when karma catches up to them and they get ass cancer.
To try to glorify him as a perfect angelic "kid" just because this happened is wrong and you know it. Telling the truth about him isn't demonizing him it's being honest about his character at the time of his death. To try to make him out to be an angel to help an agenda is what's wrong. Things like this are what's further dividing this country and keeping people up in arms and if it doesn't stop will help take us down.
Quote from: me on July 25, 2013, 04:28:24 PM
To try to glorify him as a perfect angelic "kid" just because this happened is wrong and you know it. Telling the truth about him isn't demonizing him it's being honest about his character at the time of his death. To try to make him out to be an angel to help an agenda is what's wrong. Things like this are what's further dividing this country and keeping people up in arms and if it doesn't stop will help take us down.
No one is trying to make him an angel. Do you think your grandchildren are angels? That they don't or won't experiment with drugs as adolescents? That some of them aren't disrespectful punks who deserve to have the piss slapped out of them? If you answered yes to any of these questions, you're naïve (duh!). Do they deserve to die for it?
Quote from: me on July 25, 2013, 02:14:53 PM
He had part, 2/3rds, of the ingredients to make the narcotic and the liver damage due to using that type of thing. No one said he had a narcotic already in his blood stream. . .
So what? I am betting you likely have 100% of the ingredients to make meth in your home and garage. Are you a meth head or meth manufacturer? (I don't know maybe you are).
That is nothing but pure bullshit. :yes:
You all are so blatantly blind it's pathetic. You honestly don't see how things are being played to pit people against each other and cause unrest both racially and politically.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 25, 2013, 08:03:34 PM
So what? I am betting you likely have 100% of the ingredients to make meth in your home and garage.
That settles it...she's a crack ho and deserves to die!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 26, 2013, 01:17:04 PM
That settles it...she's a crack ho and deserves to die!
How do you think I make all my money baby cakes? :wink:
WTF? These girls (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/26/justice/ohio-castro/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) were probably druggies/prostitutes whose parents weren't taking good care of them anyway. Shouldn't we be applauding this guy for keeping them off of the streets for 10 years? :rolleyes:
So then I guess all neighborhood watch people are a waste of time because if they try to question anyone and something like this happens again they are in the wrong. I know if I were a neighborhood watch person and the neighborhood was having break-ins I wouldn't question anyone after this especially if he were black 'cause that would be profiling. I hope your neighborhood watch person tells ya'll to stick it you're on your own.
Did anyone else see this coming? ....
Trayvon Martin Juror B29 says 'George Zimmerman got away with murder'
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/juror-b29-george-zimmerman-murder-article-1.1408913 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/juror-b29-george-zimmerman-murder-article-1.1408913)
Quote from: me on July 26, 2013, 04:43:04 PM
So then I guess all neighborhood watch people are a waste of time because if they try to question anyone and something like this happens again they are in the wrong. I know if I were a neighborhood watch person and the neighborhood was having break-ins I wouldn't question anyone after this especially if he were black 'cause that would be profiling. I hope your neighborhood watch person tells ya'll to stick it you're on your own.
Neighborhood watch is to liaison with the police, via radio or telephone; to notify them of suspicious people or activities/situations. NOT to investigate, pursue, or otherwise encumber individuals who they suspect of being suspicious, but rather to allow the POLICE to do their jobs and figure it out. PERIOD.
That is the way it works in most neighborhood watch programs, until you get a cop wannabe who thinks he has the "right" to arrest or otherwise detain any individual he believes is suspicious. (And to carry a firearm while doing so, despite being instructed otherwise). Yes Henry, "we don't need you to do that" is an instruction.
Quote from: Bo D on July 26, 2013, 04:47:22 PM
Did anyone else see this coming? ....
Trayvon Martin Juror B29 says 'George Zimmerman got away with murder'
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/juror-b29-george-zimmerman-murder-article-1.1408913 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/juror-b29-george-zimmerman-murder-article-1.1408913)
At least 4 or 5 of us on here. . . :yes:
So what you're saying is Zimmerman shouldn't have gotten out of his car, which I agree with, and since he did he should have just let Travon beat the day lights out of him.
If every woman who got beat killed their beater, how many people would be shot and killed every year? Baby Cakes. :doh:
Quote from: The Troll on July 27, 2013, 01:24:34 PM
If every woman who got beat killed their beater, how many people would be shot and killed every year? Baby Cakes. :doh:
People who beat on a woman deserve it.
Quote from: me on July 27, 2013, 01:26:50 PM
People who beat on a woman deserve it.
You didn't answer the question Baby Cakes. How many people would be killed if everybody who got into a fight were shot and killed. Better yet, how many would be left. :confused:
Quote from: Bo D on July 26, 2013, 04:47:22 PM
Did anyone else see this coming? ....
Trayvon Martin Juror B29 says 'George Zimmerman got away with murder'
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/juror-b29-george-zimmerman-murder-article-1.1408913 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/juror-b29-george-zimmerman-murder-article-1.1408913)
I saw the replay of it, why? The system worked the way it is supposed to. If the law was different, it might have had a different outcome. Even the juror said she didn't think the case should have gone to trial for lack of evidence and that race was not a factor in the case.
Quote from: The Troll on July 27, 2013, 01:37:32 PM
You didn't answer the question Baby Cakes. How many people would be killed if everybody who got into a fight were shot and killed. Better yet, how many would be left. :confused:
That's because it was a stupid question skippy.
Quote from: me on July 28, 2013, 10:07:51 PM
That's because it was a stupid question skippy.
I'll bet you got a gun or access to one and you don't kill every black you see. Huhhhhh?????? Sweetie Pie. :biggrin: Yep, a stupid question just like your stupid statement. Baby Cakes. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 26, 2013, 04:43:04 PM
So then I guess all neighborhood watch people are a waste of time because if they try to question anyone and something like this happens again they are in the wrong. I know if I were a neighborhood watch person and the neighborhood was having break-ins I wouldn't question anyone after this especially if he were black 'cause that would be profiling. I hope your neighborhood watch person tells ya'll to stick it you're on your own.
Neighborhood watch people have no authority to stop or question anyone.
Ole' Zimmy has gone west. Here he is getting pulled over on a Texas road in a community just east of Dallas. He has a gun in the car with him.
http://www.youtube.com/v/d3HqLL0rxd8
A gun in a car in Texas is almost a dealer installed option. :wink:
Yes sir it is!
Zimmerman is in trouble again. Shocking, I know.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 09, 2013, 04:06:23 PM
Zimmerman is in trouble again. Shocking, I know.
Domestic disturbance too. He probably tried to beat up his wife and got his ass kicked. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 09, 2013, 06:24:18 PM
Domestic disturbance too. He probably tried to beat up his wife and got his ass kicked. :icon_twisted:
He's a hero to the right...they love slapping their bitches around.
Guess who's been arrested again? (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/u-s-world/zimmerman-arrested-after-disturbance-call) Shocking, I know.
That guy needs a serious ass kicking.
Quote from: Locutus on November 18, 2013, 03:01:24 PM
That guy needs a serious ass kicking.
and Obama doesn't? :spooked:
sorry, couldn't resist... :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 18, 2013, 04:13:46 PM
and Obama doesn't? :spooked:
sorry, couldn't resist... :razz:
Henry, you're the one who needs a serious ass kicking. What a stupid asshole you are. :finger2:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 18, 2013, 04:13:46 PM
and Obama doesn't? :spooked:
sorry, couldn't resist... :razz:
I'm sure a lynching is more your style. :rolleyes:
I guess stand-your-ground only applies to those who shoot darkies. (http://thegrio.com/2013/12/04/us-airman-stands-his-ground-in-florida-sentenced-to-25-years/)
Quote from: Exterminator on December 10, 2013, 01:12:52 PM
I guess stand-your-ground only applies to those who shoot darkies. (http://thegrio.com/2013/12/04/us-airman-stands-his-ground-in-florida-sentenced-to-25-years/)
He was convicted in 2011 and Fl did not have a stand your ground law at that time so, no, it wouldn't apply then and did not apply in the Trayvon Martin case. Yes, it was brought up but did not apply.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?StatuteYear=2011&AppMode=Display_Results&Mode=Search%2520Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes&Search_String=stand+your+ground+law
As usual, you're missing the bigger picture.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 10, 2013, 01:34:50 PM
As usual, you're missing the bigger picture.
No, you're trying to use something as an example that doesn't apply and make something out of it to stir things up.
Quote from: me on December 10, 2013, 02:22:17 PM
No, you're trying to use something as an example that doesn't apply and make something out of it to stir things up.
It absolutely applies although I'm sure racists wouldn't understand why.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 10, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
It absolutely applies although I'm sure racists wouldn't understand why.
What do you not understand about it wasn't a law then?
Quote from: me on December 10, 2013, 01:22:52 PM
He was convicted in 2011 and Fl did not have a stand your ground law at that time so, no, it wouldn't apply then and did not apply in the Trayvon Martin case. Yes, it was brought up but did not apply.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?StatuteYear=2011&AppMode=Display_Results&Mode=Search%2520Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes&Search_String=stand+your+ground+law
Quote from: me on December 10, 2013, 04:59:40 PM
What do you not understand about it wasn't a law then?
What the f^ck???? Do you routinely post crap without the slightest clue what you're talking about? Florida
absolutely had Stand Your Ground in 2010 when this occurred. That law was passed back in 2005 when Jeb Bush was the governor here. :rolleyes:
Jeeezz! Check your facts before you post nonsense.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?StatuteYear=2006&AppMode=Display_Results&Mode=Search%2520Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes&Search_String=deadly+force (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?StatuteYear=2006&AppMode=Display_Results&Mode=Search%2520Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes&Search_String=deadly+force)
Huh. . . Seems like your use of a media coined phrase to refer to LAW is not useful; but when you apply the phrase "deadly force" it comes up with a plethora of legislative acts on the subject.
So much for "research" eh? :rolleyes:
The 2006 Florida Statutes
Title XLVI
CRIMES
Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
View Entire Chapter
776.031 Use of force in defense of others.--A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate the other's trespass on, or other tortious or criminal interference with, either real property other than a dwelling or personal property, lawfully in his or her possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his or her immediate family or household or of a person whose property he or she has a legal duty to protect. However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person does not have a duty to retreat if the person is in a place where he or she has a right to be.
History.--s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1189, ch. 97-102; s. 3, ch. 2005-27.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=use+of+deadly+force&URL=CH0776/Sec031.HTM (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=use+of+deadly+force&URL=CH0776/Sec031.HTM)
And by clicking the "view entire chapter" link you come up with this section:
776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.--
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person's will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Dwelling" means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) "Residence" means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) "Vehicle" means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
History.--s. 1, ch. 2005-27.
Quote from: me on December 10, 2013, 01:22:52 PM
He was convicted in 2011 and Fl did not have a stand your ground law at that time so, no, it wouldn't apply then and did not apply in the Trayvon Martin case. Yes, it was brought up but did not apply.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?StatuteYear=2011&AppMode=Display_Results&Mode=Search%2520Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes&Search_String=stand+your+ground+law
Huh. Imagine that! Yet
another candidate for inclusion within the UZ Lie Tracker! :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on December 10, 2013, 07:31:11 PM
Huh. Imagine that! Yet another candidate for inclusion within the UZ Lie Tracker! :biggrin:
;D
Quote from: Palehorse on December 10, 2013, 07:31:11 PM
Huh. Imagine that! Yet another candidate for inclusion within the UZ Lie Tracker! :biggrin:
Do you see the stand your ground law in there?
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0782/0782ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2011&Title=-%3E2011-%3EChapter%20782
This is what their stand your ground law covers and the way it seems to be written it is for home protection and that's why it didn't come in to play with Trayvon Martin or the other person Ex posted about. Plus it's called justifiable use of deadly force.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html
Quote from: me on December 10, 2013, 09:51:34 PM
Do you see the stand your ground law in there?
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0782/0782ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2011&Title=-%3E2011-%3EChapter%20782
I do, but I'll leave it to you to find it.
:rolleyes:
I live in Florida; remember?
Quote from: me on December 10, 2013, 10:02:44 PM
This is what their stand your ground law covers and the way it seems to be written it is for home protection and that's why it didn't come in to play with Trayvon Martin or the other person Ex posted about. Plus it's called justifiable use of deadly force.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html
Learn to read. From your own post:
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked ....
-----V
.... in any other place where he or she has a right to be.....
^------
.... has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.:rolleyes:
And you vote. That's scary.
As PH said, your assertion definitely belongs on the lie tracker.
Now, first off remember Zimmerman is mixed, Latino, black, and white so stop with the white on black crime and whitey got off BS it seems you're trying to infer, and second, the way it reads on the other one the guy put himself into the middle of something and the defense attorney couldn't justify what he did sufficiently for the jury to reach the stand your ground defense. Although you may disagree with what was decided on you are again making a judgement call without knowing all the facts and not being in the court room to hear all the evidence presented. The jury has to go on what the evidence is, and should, rather than what they think happened.
Quote(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person's dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) "Dwelling" means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) "Residence" means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) "Vehicle" means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
History.--s. 1, ch. 2005-27.
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Quote from: me on December 11, 2013, 07:03:15 AM
Now, first off remember Zimmerman is mixed, Latino, black, and white so stop with the white on black crime and whitey got off BS it seems you're trying to infer...
Anyone who has read the plethora of comments from those who supported George Zimmerman and don't see a heavily racial bias is a complete idiot.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 11, 2013, 10:49:10 AM
Anyone who has read the plethora of comments from those who supported George Zimmerman and don't see a heavily racial bias is a complete idiot.
Here is my take on this.... YES, there are indeed, some racists who cheered for Zimmerman, probably several....but there are also racists who 100% believed that Zimmerman was guilty as sin....JUST because a "white" guy killed a black guy.
I think with the vast majority, race had NOTHING to do with their decision, either way....it is what it is.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 11, 2013, 10:49:10 AM
Anyone who has read the plethora of comments from those who supported George Zimmerman and don't see a heavily racial bias is a complete idiot.
And then there are those of you who twist things to make it appear that way when there is nothing there.
You're both stupid and naive. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on December 10, 2013, 09:51:34 PM
Do you see the stand your ground law in there?
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0782/0782ContentsIndex.html&StatuteYear=2011&Title=-%3E2011-%3EChapter%20782
Yeah. I do.
It's obviously there as I pointed out. As usual, she doesn't take the time to read or interpret what she is posting. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on December 11, 2013, 05:36:59 PM
It's obviously there as I pointed out. As usual, she doesn't take the time to read or interpret what she is posting. :rolleyes:
Were you in the court room in either trial to hear how the jury was instructed or all the evidence that was presented? If not you are making a judgement call on what you have heard from the media and proceeding to twist things and infer race was behind the verdicts. The crimes were not similar in nature and cannot be judged the same. Ya'll can give an opinion all you want but it is just that and race should not enter into it. Why is everything race related to all of you anyway? Do you have a problem with blacks?
Quote from: me on December 11, 2013, 06:07:55 PM
Were you in the court room in either trial to hear how the jury was instructed or all the evidence that was presented? If not you are making a judgement call on what you have heard from the media and proceeding to twist things and infer race was behind the verdicts. The crimes were not similar in nature and cannot be judged the same. Ya'll can give an opinion all you want but it is just that and race should not enter into it. Why is everything race related to all of you anyway? Do you have a problem with blacks?
Stop spinning. You're changing the subject from your post insinuating "authoritatively" that FL had no, (as you called it), stand your ground law, and including a link; which was used to demonstrate you lied. :rolleyes:
The only reason it isn't in the lie tracker right now is because I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in consideration of your lack of researching skills.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 11, 2013, 07:34:07 PM
Stop spinning. You're changing the subject from your post insinuating "authoritatively" that FL had no, (as you called it), stand your ground law, and including a link; which was used to demonstrate you lied. :rolleyes:
The only reason it isn't in the lie tracker right now is because I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt in consideration of your lack of researching skills.
Being mistaken and lying are two totally different things. I am not a liar I was not intentionally trying to deceive. If it makes you feel better about yourself then go for it but I know different and will just consider the source and move on.
Quote from: me on December 11, 2013, 07:45:42 PM
Being mistaken and lying are two totally different things. I am not a liar I was not intentionally trying to deceive. If it makes you feel better about yourself then go for it but I know different and will just consider the source and move on.
That's what he said...you weren't intentionally lying; you're just ignorant.
George Zimmerman is a despicable piece of shit. Too bad Matthew Apperson missed. :mad:
Zimmerman is a murderer and should have been convicted of murder. :hanged: For him to sue the boys family is beyond any human reaction. :rant: Let the murdering bastard pay all of the legal expense. :yes: :rant:
Quote from: Locutus on December 05, 2019, 08:25:07 AMGeorge Zimmerman is a despicable piece of shit. Too bad Matthew Apperson missed. :mad:
You're going to bring out the forum racists.
Quote from: Locutus on December 05, 2019, 08:25:07 AMGeorge Zimmerman is a despicable piece of shit. Too bad Matthew Apperson missed. :mad:
He may be, but Trayvon Martin was NO angel....like the media and Obama tried to portray him as.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 05, 2019, 10:44:47 AMYou're going to bring out the forum racists realists (FIFY) :yes:
Zimmerman was not the judge, or jury, but he was the murderer. You don't start a fight and when the person starts to defend himself pull out a gun and murder him. Yep, Hawk you are a Narcissist, you do hate blacks and poor people. :kissit: :hick: