Trayvon Martin

[me]

Its a race thing. Blacks and Hispanics hold an incredible amount of animosity toward one another because of race.

Just ask the Black P-Stone Nation and Latin Kings.

Problem is they, Jackson and Sharpton, are making it a white on black thing. 

Possibly, but he did tell Sean Hannity one night that he didn't regret his actions, and that he wouldn't have done anything differently if he had the chance to do it over again.  Although that was before the trial, and he may have had legal reasons for answering in that manner, I think that speaks somewhat to his character.

He was not referring to the shooting.

[Palehorse]

Problem is they, Jackson and Sharpton, are making it a white on black thing.  He was not referring to the shooting.

Why do you keep trying to ascribe blame to everyone or anyone other than Zimmerman?

He most certainly was referring to the shooting. Even his own brother said so just this weekend on CNN.

[me]

Why do you keep trying to ascribe blame to everyone or anyone other than Zimmerman?

He most certainly was referring to the shooting. Even his own brother said so just this weekend on CNN.

Black on white or Hispanic crimes are never mentioned, or rarely mentioned, on the news.  Where are Jackson and Sharpton for these?  This is being chosen by them to create unrest period.  If they can't keep things stirred up they are not needed.  That is what irritates me about the whole thing.  This should have never made national news or put Zimmerman and his entire family at risk like it has done.  For that matter anyone who even resembles Zimmerman is at risk of being targeted. 

[Henry Hawk]

Stalking. . .

Add to this the fact he was instructed NOT to get out of his vehicle by law enforcement, and you have yet another violation of the law. One which should have brought charges; disobeying a law enforcement officer.

Well first of all, you are wrong.

He was NEVER instructed to NOT get out of his vehicle.  That is a lie.



It went like this:

Dispatcher

Are you following him?

Zimmerman

Yeah.

Dispatcher

Ok, we don't need you to do that.



That is it!  Never ONCE was he instructed to STAY in his vehicle.

He broke NO law.

If I am wrong...prove it.

Also, I do not think a 911 dispatcher has the authority to tell someone that they can or cannot do.  They can advise, but they are not sworn in law enforcement official.s

[Locutus]

He was not referring to the shooting.

WTF???  How in the hell can he be asked a question like that from Sean Hannity and you draw a conclusion that he wasn't talking about the shooting?   Secondly, how could he answer a question like that and exclude the shooting from the answer?   

[Henry Hawk]

Possibly, but he did tell Sean Hannity one night that he didn't regret his actions, and that he wouldn't have done anything differently if he had the chance to do it over again.  Although that was before the trial, and he may have had legal reasons for answering in that manner, I think that speaks somewhat to his character.

He also backtracked after that and stated:

"I do want to tell everyone I'm sorry that this happened," he said. "I hate to think that because of this incident, because of my actions, it has polarized, divided America."

He also said on Hannity's show that:

"I do wish there was something, anything, I could have done that wouldn't have put me in the position where I had to take his life."



I also think that speaks volumns about his charactor

[Henry Hawk]

stalking?  really?   

How many "stalkers" notify the police while they are "stalking?"

Just because somebody walks up to someone to find out WHAT they are up to, does NOT make one a stalker.....THAT is so much BS it is ridicules. 

[Exterminator]

Dispatcher

Are you following him?

Zimmerman

Yeah.

Dispatcher

Ok, we don't need you to do that.



That is it!  Never ONCE was he instructed to STAY in his vehicle.

He broke NO law.

Just make sure you remember that, champ, if anyone is ever following your daughter around in the dark.  He isn't breaking any laws and if you accost him over it, he has every right to blow you away.  Of course, in that situation, it'd probably be a good idea to shoot the daughter as well so that there would be no witnesses to say that the two of you didn't attack him...I mean, he'll be bleeding by the time the police arrive and who would pistol whip himself just to support a self-defense claim?   

[Exterminator]

The reality of this whole situation is that Zimmerman put himself into a situation in which he ultimately ended up getting his ass whipped and rather than take the ass whipping like a man, he shot an unarmed teenager and claimed he was in fear for his life.  I mean, who wouldn't be if his head was being beaten into the concrete with such force that it left two small, superficial scratches that didn't even require sutures?  Zimmerman is a fucking ***** and anyone who thinks like him is a fucking ***** as well.

"A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once." -- William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar

[Henry Hawk]

First of all Champ,  my daughter would be smart enough to run home and not attack a neighberhood watch person.
He was all but home, but Trayvon decided to be a smart ass and attack Zimmerman.  YOU was not there, it is easy to make the claims you have, but YOU was not there.

Furthermore, I DO agree with you that Zimmerman put himself into a situation....but, WE were not there.  Evidence DOES support that Martin DID INDEED attack Zimmerman.  A broken nose is a broken nose....Martin also put himself into a situation and lost.

[Exterminator]

What you people fail to recognize is that you haven't just made it ok to kill unarmed black kids, on whose lives you place no value anyway; you've made yourselves targets while doing so.  A person doesn't even need a plausible story, just one that can't be refuted because the only other possible witness is dead.  Don't be surprised when it comes back to bite you in the ass and you run into a real badass and find out that the little Glock you bought to make yourself feel like your dick was bigger than two inches doesn't work out for you.  This is the America you want?  Fine; you've got it. Enjoy it while you can.

Calm is prevailing.  For now.  At least, that's something.

"However, in theory, at least, here is what is now possible. Some night very soon, if he so chooses, George Zimmerman can load his piece, tuck it into the back of his pants, climb into his SUV, and drive around Sanford, Florida looking for assholes and fucking punks who are walking through neighborhoods where he, George Zimmerman, defender of law and order, doesn't think they belong. He can drive around Sanford, Florida and check out anyone who is dressed in such a manner as might frighten the average citizen who has been fed a daily diet of "Scary Black Kids" by their local news and by their favorite radio personalities, and who is dressed in such a manner as might seem inappropriate to their surroundings as determined by George Zimmerman, crimebuster. He can drive around Sanford, Florida until he spots an asshole or a fucking punk and then he can get out of his SUV, his piece tucked into the back of his pants, and he can stalk the asshole or the fucking punk, the one who is in the wrong neighborhood, or who is dressed inappropriately, at least according to George Zimmerman, protector of peace. If the asshole, or the fucking punk, turns around and objects to being stalked -- or, worse, if the asshole, or the fucking punk, decides physically to confront the person stalking him -- then George Zimmerman can whip out the piece from the back of his pants and shoot the asshole, or the fucking punk, dead right there on the spot. This can happen tonight. That is now possible. Hunting licenses are now available and it's open season on assholes, fucking punks, and kids who wear hoodies at night in neighborhoods where they do not belong, at least according to George Zimmerman, defender of law and order, crimebuster, and protector of the peace, because that is what American society has told George Zimmerman, and all the rest of us, is the just outcome of what happened on one dark and rainy night in February of 2012."

[Henry Hawk]

YOU are such a dick....

It may very well surprise you I think that Zimmerman SHOULD not have had his gun with him, while he was patroling for the neighborhood. But an argument can be made that in this case it MAY have saved his life.  IF, he is telling the truth, and a Jury agrees with him........he WAS only protecting himself.

I am torn on this whole issue but,..........I am sick of the liberal mentallity to assume this was all about race and a black kid dies.  Where are you when a black kid is killed on a daily basis in his own neighberhood? by other black kids?  It is ONLY an issue when a "white" person is involved.  Even a "white hispanic", which is a crock of bullshit.

By the way, eight of the last eight burglaries in that neighborhood in Sandford was committed by young black kids.

[Mr442]

So lets say Zimmerman didn't have a gun, and Martin had beaten him to death.  How would everyone feel then?   I think someone was going to end up dead that night, and to Martin's surprise, it ended up being him.  Had things worked out the other way, we would not have heard diddly squat about it. 

Personally, if some of these kids wan to play tough guy, then they better be prepared for the consequences.  A 17 year old and a 15 year old in Indy are finding that out now as they head to adult court for their crime spree that left a man dead.  It's time to toughen up on these kids and make a few examples, so the other kids might take notice and change their ways.  We as a nation have went soft when it comes to our youth, and we are now paying the price.

[Exterminator]

So lets say Zimmerman didn't have a gun, and Martin had beaten him to death.  How would everyone feel then?   I think someone was going to end up dead that night, and to Martin's surprise, it ended up being him.  Had things worked out the other way, we would not have heard diddly squat about it. 

Personally, if some of these kids wan to play tough guy, then they better be prepared for the consequences.  A 17 year old and a 15 year old in Indy are finding that out now as they head to adult court for their crime spree that left a man dead.  It's time to toughen up on these kids and make a few examples, so the other kids might take notice and change their ways.  We as a nation have went soft when it comes to our youth, and we are now paying the price.

This attitude is exactly what got Trayvon Martin killed.  You are taking a completely unrelated pair of youths and applying their misdeeds to someone else.  Would it be fair to label you a pedophile simply because I was able to find another gear-head who was convicted of child molesting?  You're on a very slippery slope.

And for the record, no one needed to die that night.  Had Zimmerman been polite, asked Martin if he could talk to him, explained who he was and why he was asking, this all could have been avoided.  I have enough law enforcement experience to understand that you can choose, when entering a situation, to defuse it or to escalate it. Zimmerman did the latter by stalking an unarmed person in the dark and never once attempting to identify himself.  Good luck trying that shit with me because I am not a 17 year-old boy and I'll put a bullet in your fucking forehead in a heartbeat...especially now that I know I can get away with it just but rolling around in the mud, hitting myself in the face a couple of times and banging my head softly against the nearest tree.  I would say that it also could have been avoided had Zimmerman had a dog instead of a gun but there is no way that fat ***** could handle a real dog.

Yes, we as a nation are soft but it isn't because of how we raise our kids; that is just a symptom.  It's because, by and large we are a nation of fat, balding pussies who can't whip their way out of a paper bag and thing that a gun will make them what they will, in fact, never be...real men.  Real men have integrity. 

[Palehorse]

Well first of all, you are wrong.

He was NEVER instructed to NOT get out of his vehicle.  That is a lie.



It went like this:

Dispatcher

Are you following him?

Zimmerman

Yeah.

Dispatcher

Ok, we don't need you to do that.



That is it!  Never ONCE was he instructed to STAY in his vehicle.

He broke NO law.

If I am wrong...prove it.

Also, I do not think a 911 dispatcher has the authority to tell someone that they can or cannot do.  They can advise, but they are not sworn in law enforcement official.s

The non emergency number of most local PD's are answered by the desk SGT typically. But:

I bow to the almighty birdbrain; who knows all and sees all!