Trayvon Martin

[Exterminator]

Evidence DOES support Martin making a mistake of attacking.... PERIOD.  He HIT Zimmerman.  He WAS on top.  He DID cause wounds to Zimmerman.

I have asked you several times for that evidence and you have provided nothing that conclusively supports your assertion that Martin assaulted Zimmerman in any way.  Please provide direct conclusive evidence or STFU and carry your racist ass back to your trailer park.

Your attempts at throwing a red herring into the mix by mentioning black-on-black crime (typical racist ploy) doesn't work here.  If you want to talk about that, start a new thread.  This one is about the Zimmerman/Martin case and only about the Zimmerman/Martin case.

[Henry Hawk]

You stfu...dick head.

Broken nose, bleeding head, witness of trayvon on top of zim, wet knees and shins on trayvon's pants....

who made you the thread police peckerhead? I will post what I want on here.  The only racist remarks were made by trayvon...btw.

Once again, when ever YOU are losing an argument, you revert to name-calling bullshit.  That is the way you roll.

[Exterminator]

You stfu...dick head.

Shut me up.

Broken nose, bleeding head...

...that you can't prove were not self inflicted after he shot Martin.

...witness of trayvon on top of zim...

Another witness said exactly the opposite and eye witness accounts are notoriously inaccurate.

...wet knees and shins on trayvon's pants....

Could have happened when he fell after he was shot.

You have no evidence Martin attacked Zimmerman.  None.  Zero.  Nadda.  Zilch.  The actual physical evidence, you know, things like DNA (for those of us who believe in science) support exactly the opposite.  You're just a bigot who wants to believe Martin was a thug and likes the idea that people can shoot black people at will with no consequences...period...end of story.

[Locutus]

I hate to keep beating the dead horse, but where are the grass stains and dirt marks that should be on his pants if events happened as Zimmerman stated?

[Anne]

Looks pretty grassy in the picture, so no dirt stains, it is really fuzzy on my screen, so I would not seen grass stains unless it was a close up. How do you discount the eyewitness who said the guy in the red jacket was on the bottom and the guy in the sweatshirt was on top? This was before the shot so Mr. Zimmerman could not have staged that.

[Henry Hawk]

Yeah, I guess YOU guys are right, a jury of six got it ALL wrong....Zimmerman must be guilty and the jurors and everyone else who DON'T agree with you are just bigots. 

I'm done.  Nothing more to say.   All has been said.

[Mr442]

This attitude is exactly what got Trayvon Martin killed.  You are taking a completely unrelated pair of youths and applying their misdeeds to someone else.  Would it be fair to label you a pedophile simply because I was able to find another gear-head who was convicted of child molesting?  You're on a very slippery slope.

And for the record, no one needed to die that night.  Had Zimmerman been polite, asked Martin if he could talk to him, explained who he was and why he was asking, this all could have been avoided.  I have enough law enforcement experience to understand that you can choose, when entering a situation, to defuse it or to escalate it. Zimmerman did the latter by stalking an unarmed person in the dark and never once attempting to identify himself.  Good luck trying that shit with me because I am not a 17 year-old boy and I'll put a bullet in your fucking forehead in a heartbeat...especially now that I know I can get away with it just but rolling around in the mud, hitting myself in the face a couple of times and banging my head softly against the nearest tree.  I would say that it also could have been avoided had Zimmerman had a dog instead of a gun but there is no way that fat ***** could handle a real dog.

Yes, we as a nation are soft but it isn't because of how we raise our kids; that is just a symptom.  It's because, by and large we are a nation of fat, balding pussies who can't whip their way out of a paper bag and thing that a gun will make them what they will, in fact, never be...real men.  Real men have integrity.

Sorry to tell you, but these two instances are very similar in the fact that in both, the perpetrators were under age and were violent.  Mom and dad failed on all of them at some point.  They have no respect for right and wrong.  If you want to play adult games, then be prepared for the consequences.  If some big ass 16 year old started wailing on me, I sure as hell would use whatever force necessary to subdue him, as quickly as possible.  Screw his feelings and whatever other BS, I'm going to save myself.  Martin did attack Zimmerman, and Zimmerman did what he had to do to survive.  It's a damn shame it all turned out this way, but it did.  Martin could have avoided elevating the confrontation, but he chose otherwise.  He alone made that decision, and it cost him and everyone who loved him.  He could have let Zimmerman rant and rave, and be an idiot, then go on home.  He just didn't know when to walk away.

[Exterminator]

How do you discount the eyewitness who said the guy in the red jacket was on the bottom and the guy in the sweatshirt was on top? This was before the shot so Mr. Zimmerman could not have staged that.

Eyewitness reliability.  Learn something.

[Locutus]

Yeah, I guess YOU guys are right, a jury of six got it ALL wrong....Zimmerman must be guilty and the jurors and everyone else who DON'T agree with you are just bigots. 

I'm done.  Nothing more to say.   All has been said.

I think we're just raising questions HH.   

FACT:  Zimmerman is a proven liar.

FACT:  There are inexplicable inconsistencies in his story.

But also:

FACT:  None of us have said the jury got it wrong and at least two of us have said the jury got it right.   

[Exterminator]

Martin did attack Zimmerman...

Please provide proof of this assertion.  You can't because there is none.

[Mr442]

The juror on TV said that Martin did the attacking, and that is one of the main reasons they were swayed to set Zimmerman loose.  We were not there at the trial, they were and did their very best with the evidence in front of them. 

I thank them for doing their civic duty in a very high profile case, with no good results possible.

[Henry Hawk]

at least two of us have said the jury got it right.   

I have noted that....but you attack Z's charactor as a liar, and he may very well be.  How about Martin?  Do you think he was innocent as portrayed in this 13-year old picture?  I think, he was NOT the sweet kid that he once was. 

That being said, I still say the evidence supported Z's account....liar or not.  Race is NOT the issue, in any way, shape or form.  Despite that I am called one everytime I state my position.

[Exterminator]

Race is NOT the issue, in any way, shape or form.

Bullshit.  Pretending like racism doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.

[Henry Hawk]

Bullshit.  Pretending like racism doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.

Who said it doesn't exist? Not me.  I see it out of you ALL the time.  Racism is exploding right now.  We are a divided nation. 

[me]

Bullshit.  Pretending like racism doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.

Neither is wrongly accusing people of it unjustly.  There will always be racism from all races, blacks are even racist against each other depending on the color of their skin.  Unfortunately racism will never completely go away because there are those select few who for some idiot reason think their race is superior over others and you will never change that.