Trayvon Martin

[Henry Hawk]

You actually believe he is guilty of 2nd degree MURDER?  Based upon WHAT facts?

[Locutus]

You actually believe he is guilty of 2nd degree MURDER?  Based upon WHAT facts?

Primarily the inconsistencies in his story and the lack Zimmerman's DNA on Martin, and vice versa.  Zimmerman had a measure of cupability when he first set foot outside of his vehicle. 

FL Statute 893.03(2)

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084."

[Locutus]

Let's also not forget that he has already proven himself a liar.

[Henry Hawk]

I still believe, based upon facts presented..........Manslaughter should have been the goal by the prosecution.
That may have stuck.

[Henry Hawk]

I think this whole thing is a sad, sad story....I think it was a miscommunication by both...

Zimmerman was doing a job he was asked to do by the community.....he saw someone with a hoody on, walking in the rain, in-between houses, cutting in-between houses, and he was walking very leisurely...this is after several break-ins in that neighborhood.
Should have he just ignored it?  In hind sight, I bet he wish he did, but he didn't.  Would YOU have ignored it, had it been your neighborhood?
The bottom line is...........a 17 year old died.  That sucks.  Was Trayvon completely innocent?  There is reasonable doubt that he was.  We know he has a record too. He is NOT squeaky clean. But a young man died, and Zimmerman has to live with that for the rest of his life.

What I find MORE repulsive, is the Black Panthers put a bounty out on him.......and that is NOT the big story.

Riots are predicted IF Zimmerman is NOT found guilty. 

[me]

I think this whole thing is a sad, sad story....I think it was a miscommunication by both...

Zimmerman was doing a job he was asked to do by the community.....he saw someone with a hoody on, walking in the rain, in-between houses, cutting in-between houses, and he was walking very leisurely...this is after several break-ins in that neighborhood.
Should have he just ignored it?  In hind sight, I bet he wish he did, but he didn't.  Would YOU have ignored it, had it been your neighborhood?
The bottom line is...........a 17 year old died.  That sucks.  Was Trayvon completely innocent?  There is reasonable doubt that he was.  We know he has a record too. He is NOT squeaky clean. But a young man died, and Zimmerman has to live with that for the rest of his life.

What I find MORE repulsive, is the Black Panthers put a bounty out on him.......and that is NOT the big story.

Riots are predicted IF Zimmerman is NOT found guilty.

I heard that about the Black Panthers too and I think it should also be part of the "big story".  That is just totally wrong because they will also be after the family or anyone who may even resemble Zimmerman. 

[Locutus]

I heard that about the Black Panthers too and I think it should also be part of the "big story".  That is just totally wrong because they will also be after the family or anyone who may even resemble Zimmerman. 

That's not germane to the trial in any way, and IIRC, it was part of the big story back when they originally did that. 

[Locutus]

That's not germane to the trial in any way, and IIRC, it was part of the big story back when they originally did that. 

And before you tell me I'm wrong about that, here's proof:

Orlando Sentinel

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_sanford-vigilante-justice-black-men

National Public Radio

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman

The Washington Times

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/mar/30/doj-new-black-panther-party-zimmerman-bounty-no-co/

CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting-bounty

[Henry Hawk]

And before you tell me I'm wrong about that, here's proof:

Orlando Sentinel

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_sanford-vigilante-justice-black-men

National Public Radio

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman

The Washington Times

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/mar/30/doj-new-black-panther-party-zimmerman-bounty-no-co/

CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting-bounty

It was news for a day or two....then it went away.  My point is, Obama was spouting his mouth off when this happened, claiming if he had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon....which he should have NEVER butted his big mouth into this case in the first place....THEN, when the BP's make a claim as they did, ..... silence by him and our AG.

I know it has NOTHING to do with the trial....I am just saying that Zimmermans life IS screwed no mater what the outcome is.

[me]

And before you tell me I'm wrong about that, here's proof:

Orlando Sentinel

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-24/news/os-trayvon-martin-new-black-panthers-protest-20120324_1_sanford-vigilante-justice-black-men

National Public Radio

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/03/26/149399082/new-black-panther-party-offers-10k-bounty-for-george-zimmerman

The Washington Times

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/mar/30/doj-new-black-panther-party-zimmerman-bounty-no-co/

CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/26/justice/florida-teen-shooting-bounty

They have claimed that there will be riots if Zimmerman is acquitted recently too.

[Locutus]

It was news for a day or two....then it went away.  My point is, Obama was spouting his mouth off when this happened, claiming if he had a son, he would have looked like Trayvon....which he should have NEVER butted his big mouth into this case in the first place....THEN, when the BP's make a claim as they did, ..... silence by him and our AG.

I know it has NOTHING to do with the trial....I am just saying that Zimmermans life IS screwed no mater what the outcome is.

What about these other people "spouting their mouth off?"  You have any problem with them, or just Obama? 

Newt Gingrich

"I think Americans can recognize that while this is a tragedy -- and it is a tragedy -- that we're going to relentlessly seek justice, and I think that's the right thing to do," Gingrich said.
Asked about the Stand Your Ground law, he said, "The young man apparently was not following the person who's being investigated. Apparently, the shooter was following the young man. That's not a stand your own ground, that's a chase the other person into their ground. And I think you're going to find the law, as interpreted normally, doesn't apply to this case."

Allen West

I have sat back and allowed myself time to assess the current episode revealing itself in Sanford, Florida involving the shooting of 17-year-old Treyvon Martin. First of all, if all that has been reported is accurate, the Sanford Police Chief should be relieved of his duties due to what appears to be a mishandling of this shooting in its early stages. The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him....against the direction of the 911 responder. Let's all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason. I have signed a letter supporting a DOJ investigation. I am not heading to Sanford to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences. This is an outrage.

Mitt Romney

"What happened to Trayvon Martin is a tragedy. There needs to be a thorough investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity," Mitt Romney said in a statement.

Rick Santorum

Rick Santorum said the shooting was "horrible" and a "chilling example of the horrible decisions made by people in this process."

"Stand Your Ground is not doing what this man did," Santorum said, adding that he believes the Justice Department should leave the matter to local and state authorities.

Condoleeza Rice

"Well, first of all, it's a great tragedy," Condoleezza Rice told Andrea Mitchell. "This young man has been deprived of life and that's an enormous tragedy. And we all should have prayers and for his family and for those who are left behind. So it's a great tragedy. That's the first thing to say. Secondly, I've always said that obviously, we are not a race blind society. We aspire to be one, we work toward it, we've gotten better, but we are not yet. But I'm not going to comment on the legal aspects of this case because as I understand it, the Justice Department is looking into it, local authorities are looking into it, and I certainly hope that justice will be done here and due process accorded. But I'm not going to comment on the legal aspects of this. I'm not competent to do so."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/obama-trayvon-martin_n_1375083.html#slide=809237

[Locutus]

They have claimed that there will be riots if Zimmerman is acquitted recently too.

Well Fox News claims a lot of crap that isn't true in an effort to stir up the shit amongst the clueless. 

[Locutus]

I know it has NOTHING to do with the trial....I am just saying that Zimmermans life IS screwed no mater what the outcome is.

I agree.  If he skates, he'll have to leave Florida.  There's no way he stays in this state. 

[Anne]

What about these other people "spouting their mouth off?"  You have any problem with them, or just Obama? 

Newt Gingrich

"I think Americans can recognize that while this is a tragedy -- and it is a tragedy -- that we're going to relentlessly seek justice, and I think that's the right thing to do," Gingrich said.
Asked about the Stand Your Ground law, he said, "The young man apparently was not following the person who's being investigated. Apparently, the shooter was following the young man. That's not a stand your own ground, that's a chase the other person into their ground. And I think you're going to find the law, as interpreted normally, doesn't apply to this case."

Allen West

I have sat back and allowed myself time to assess the current episode revealing itself in Sanford, Florida involving the shooting of 17-year-old Treyvon Martin. First of all, if all that has been reported is accurate, the Sanford Police Chief should be relieved of his duties due to what appears to be a mishandling of this shooting in its early stages. The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him....against the direction of the 911 responder. Let's all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason. I have signed a letter supporting a DOJ investigation. I am not heading to Sanford to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences. This is an outrage.

Mitt Romney

"What happened to Trayvon Martin is a tragedy. There needs to be a thorough investigation that reassures the public that justice is carried out with impartiality and integrity," Mitt Romney said in a statement.

Rick Santorum

Rick Santorum said the shooting was "horrible" and a "chilling example of the horrible decisions made by people in this process."

"Stand Your Ground is not doing what this man did," Santorum said, adding that he believes the Justice Department should leave the matter to local and state authorities.

Condoleeza Rice

"Well, first of all, it's a great tragedy," Condoleezza Rice told Andrea Mitchell. "This young man has been deprived of life and that's an enormous tragedy. And we all should have prayers and for his family and for those who are left behind. So it's a great tragedy. That's the first thing to say. Secondly, I've always said that obviously, we are not a race blind society. We aspire to be one, we work toward it, we've gotten better, but we are not yet. But I'm not going to comment on the legal aspects of this case because as I understand it, the Justice Department is looking into it, local authorities are looking into it, and I certainly hope that justice will be done here and due process accorded. But I'm not going to comment on the legal aspects of this. I'm not competent to do so."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/obama-trayvon-martin_n_1375083.html#slide=809237

Are you taking issue with what these people said or that they said anything at all?

[Locutus]

Are you taking issue with what these people said or that they said anything at all?

Not at all.  I don't have a problem with what any of them said.  Henry made a comment about Obama "spouting off his mouth" and I was pointing out to him that other politicians did the exact same thing, and was wondering why he singled out Obama for criticism.