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Trayvon Martin

Started by Henry Hawk, March 29, 2012, 11:07:06 AM

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Anne

Quote from: Exterminator on July 16, 2013, 02:53:54 PM
Eyewitness reliability.  Learn something.

I realize that not all witnesses are reliable, but usually on identifying someone in a line up or remembering what they said in a deposition or to officers months before a trial. Telling the difference between a red coat and a grey hoodie/sweatshirt is pretty basic. Like a lot of people I have been on a jury as an alternate but sat through all the deliberations in the jury room. It was a very minor trial, but nothing is never as simple as it seems. I have also attended some trials from start to finish. They are very interesting. If you haven't done that, try it.
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Palehorse

Okay. . . focus people.

At some point during the investigation it began raining. Trayvon was dead already. And if you care to look in the second picture, you'll see that the portion of his hooded sweatshirt facing up is also wet.

How do you think the collected evidence got wet? Somebody take a hose to everyone?

And another thing. Anyone who has ever worn khaki slacks knows how easily they stain; dirt and grass stains glaringly show up just by kneeling. (I've got a closet full of them to prove it).

Stop reaching an use whatever level of common sense you own for crying out loud!

(And for the record, I AM one of those who have stated several times that the jury arrived at the only decision they could based upon the evidence they were presented. I would have done the same thing in their situation).
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Locutus

Quote from: Palehorse on July 17, 2013, 12:30:28 AM

(And for the record, I AM one of those who have stated several times that the jury arrived at the only decision they could based upon the evidence they were presented. I would have done the same thing in their situation).


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Exterminator

Quote from: Palehorse on July 17, 2013, 12:30:28 AM
And another thing. Anyone who has ever worn khaki slacks knows how easily they stain; dirt and grass stains glaringly show up just by kneeling. (I've got a closet full of them to prove it).

You'd think Henry would know this from servicing G.W.   :icon_twisted:
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"That case was decided with jury selection."  -- Andrea Mitchell 

My exact thoughts at the time the judge was announced and the jury chosen.

Southern state.  White prosecutor. Judge and jury: every single one a white woman.

... and last but not least -- in my opinion -- Zimmerman's father is a retired magistrate.

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Who am I to make such a judgment?  I am a white woman of German/British Isles/American Indian descent who was born and grew up in WV, but have lived in Northern Virginia for decades.  I went to work for the Federal Government in the mid 80's.


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Exterminator

Quote from: me on July 17, 2013, 12:09:34 AM
Interesting thing for a racist to do don't ya think?

Who said he was a racist?  What was said was that he racially profiled Trayvon Martin...big difference.  Right, wrong or indifferent, we all do it.  I live in probably the least racially diverse area of the Indy metro and surrounding counties and would definitely take note of a person of color wandering through my neighborhood.  I would not, however, shoot him and then manufacture some story about how I was in fear for my life but then again, I'm not a fat *****.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

You are right, you are not fat.... :razz:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
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Palehorse

Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
You'd think Henry would know this from servicing G.W.   :icon_twisted:

:rotfl:  :biggrin:
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Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Palehorse

Interesting the remaining jurors have come out to say that the one currently speaking does NOT speak for them.

I think this just accentuates that this was not an easy decision for them to make and that several of them held suspicions that there was much not brought out within the trial that should have been.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 10:38:57 AM
Who said he was a racist?  What was said was that he racially profiled Trayvon Martin...big difference.  Right, wrong or indifferent, we all do it.  I live in probably the least racially diverse area of the Indy metro and surrounding counties and would definitely take note of a person of color wandering through my neighborhood.  I would not, however, shoot him and then manufacture some story about how I was in fear for my life but then again, I'm not a fat *****.
Zimmerman was smaller than Martin when this all took place. 
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Exterminator

Quote from: me on July 17, 2013, 12:02:11 PM
Zimmerman was smaller than Martin when this all took place.

He was certainly smart enough to hurt himself after he shot Martin so that he could claim self-defense.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 01:01:03 PM
He was certainly smart enough to hurt himself after he shot Martin so that he could claim self-defense.

YOU are so full of shit if you actually believe that.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 17, 2013, 01:10:48 PM
YOU are so full of shit if you actually believe that.

Despite your wanting to believe whatever outlandish story it takes to convince yourself it's ok to go around shooting black kids for no reason, DNA evidence does not lie.  I know you're not a fan of science and whatnot...

...or English.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on July 17, 2013, 01:34:35 PM
Despite your wanting to believe whatever outlandish story it takes to convince yourself it's ok to go around shooting black kids for no reason, DNA evidence does not lie.  I know you're not a fan of science and whatnot...

...or English.

Not ONCE in my life has have ever suggested that shooting black kids is okay.  If I already didn't know that you was such a dick, I would be offended.  But for you to think that Zimmerman actually bashed in his own head and broke his own nose is incredibly fucking stupid.
That is about all I can say about that.
What DNA evidence is there?  huh?
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW