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Started by Henry Hawk, March 29, 2012, 11:07:06 AM

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damfast

#285
May 17, 2012, 05:02:25 PM
Trevon Martin is dead. Zimmerman is hiding from crazy people.  No matter who did what, it is awfully sad that two families are ruined by one tragedy.   I sure wish sometimes that God had made us with a do over button. I would sure push it for that one!  I admit that I get all my news on the zone.  That makes me Liberally Conservative with a streak of independence.   No wonder you guys shake your heads at me...
It's always darkest before the dawn.  So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it.

Henry Hawk

#286
May 17, 2012, 05:04:44 PM
Quote from: damfast on May 17, 2012, 05:02:25 PM
Trevon Martin is dead. Zimmerman is hiding from crazy people.  No matter who did what, it is awfully sad that two families are ruined by one tragedy.   I sure wish sometimes that God had made us with a do over button. I would sure push it for that one!  I admit that I get all my news on the zone.  That makes me Liberally Conservative with a streak of independence.   No wonder you guys shake your heads at me...

you are my favorite independent, liberal conservative in the world!!!
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#287
May 18, 2012, 08:51:05 AM
This statement accurately describes my feelings about this case: "...police described what happened as 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement'..."  I agree with Henry that manslaughter is a more fitting charge but Zimmerman precipitated the situation in which Martin was killed and is therefore responsible for his death.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

#288
May 18, 2012, 09:14:24 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 18, 2012, 08:51:05 AM
This statement accurately describes my feelings about this case: "...police described what happened as 'ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement'..."  I agree with Henry that manslaughter is a more fitting charge but Zimmerman precipitated the situation in which Martin was killed and is therefore responsible for his death.

I totally agree. I hope that you guys have misunderstood my comments about this over the last couple of days. I am just aware that Martin was no angel himself according to what I have heard in the media outlet$$$$.

But I also understand that is no excuse for Zimmerman to commit murder.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

libby

#289
May 18, 2012, 10:58:56 AM
I agree also.
All of life is a process of testing and initiation, always preparing for a higher level of consciousness -- and illumination. -- John Horn

Henry Hawk

#290
May 18, 2012, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: Olias on May 18, 2012, 09:14:24 AM
But I also understand that is no excuse for Zimmerman to commit murder.

In my opinion, based upon evidence as I have read them.....I do not beleive Zimmerman commited murder.  I think he killed Martin in self-defence.  But, like Ex stated, had he stayed in his vehicle as told by the police, Martin would be alive today.  I don't believe that Zimmerman actually broke any laws, but did not act wisely, and was forced to do something that could have been prevented.  A  young man died.  Zimmerman is going to have that hanging over his head for the rest of his life.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

#291
May 18, 2012, 01:40:23 PM
Some of the evidence pictures (49 of them to be exact) can be found at this link:

Orlando Sentinel Evidence Pictures
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Exterminator

#292
May 18, 2012, 02:19:13 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 01:40:23 PM
Some of the evidence pictures (49 of them to be exact) can be found at this link:

Orlando Sentinel Evidence Pictures

Is Zimmerman claiming that Martin accosted him at his vehicle and then drug him halfway up the courtyard before starting to assault him?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

#293
May 18, 2012, 02:21:56 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 18, 2012, 02:19:13 PM
Is Zimmerman claiming that Martin accosted him at his vehicle and then drug him halfway up the courtyard before starting to assault him?

I'm not sure what the exact claim was, but I do recall him stating that Martin accosted him while he was trying to return to the vehicle.  But as you can see from the evidence photos, the shooting clearly didn't take place anywhere near a parking lot where Zimmerman's vehicle would have been parked.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

#294
May 18, 2012, 02:24:20 PM
There's also a PDF of the evidence against him located here:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-evidence-file-george-zimmermann-051812,0,1457800.acrobat

I can't get it to open.  It says the document is corrupt.  Maybe you can try and see if you can open it.   If you can, let me know. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

#295
May 18, 2012, 02:25:06 PM
^^ Correction, it says the file is damaged and can't be repaired. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

#296
May 18, 2012, 02:27:22 PM
Quote from: Locutus on May 18, 2012, 02:21:56 PM
I'm not sure what the exact claim was, but I do recall him stating that Martin accosted him while he was trying to return to the vehicle.  But as you can see from the evidence photos, the shooting clearly didn't take place anywhere near a parking lot where Zimmerman's vehicle would have been parked.

Exactly the point of my (somewhat rhetorical) question.  I think what happened here is pretty obvious.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

#297
May 18, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 18, 2012, 02:27:22 PM
Exactly the point of my (somewhat rhetorical) question.  I think what happened here is pretty obvious.

See if you can get that PDF file above to open.  I'd like to see what's in there, but it won't open for me and I've tried it on two different computers now. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

#298
May 18, 2012, 02:40:32 PM
Yes, I got an error but it opened.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

#299
May 18, 2012, 02:41:35 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 18, 2012, 02:40:32 PM
Yes, I got an error but it opened.


Well if you see anything interesting in there, let me know.  I can't get it to open at all.  :biggrin:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson
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