Trayvon Martin

[me]

That's such bullshit.  Trayvon Martin did not follow George Zimmerman's vehicle, break the window out of it, pull him out and start bashing his head into the sidewalk.  Had George Zimmerman done what he was instructed by the police, none of this would have happened.  I thought you conservatives were all about taking responsibility for your actions?  Next you'll be telling us all that Brisard's presumption of guilt is due to liberal bias as well.

There are conflicting stories on what happened and one witness said he did quit pursuing Trayvon and Trayvon attacked him as he was getting in the car.  And, as I also said, the gun may very well have gone off accidentally when they were scuffling on the ground.  They haven't released any ballistic evidence yet and the media has fixed it so even if that is found to be true no one will believe it. 

[Henry Hawk]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/someone-kill-judge_640598.html

'Someone Kill the Judge

George Zimmerman, the accused murderer of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, has been released from jail on bail. Meeting Zimmerman's release are calls (on Twitter) for him to be killed.
As Twitchy reports, "Twitter lynch mob: George Zimmerman is out on bail? Let's kill him!

"But it's not just Zimmerman who is at risk. In fact, there's already been a call on Twitter for the murder of the judge, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, who agreed to release Zimmerman on bail.
Writing on a Twitter, someone named @Rick_Cobain writes,
"Zimmerman released from jail someone kill the judge!!!!!"
Zimmerman released from jail someone kill the judge!!!!!

[Palehorse]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/someone-kill-judge_640598.html

'Someone Kill the Judge

George Zimmerman, the accused murderer of Florida teen Trayvon Martin, has been released from jail on bail. Meeting Zimmerman's release are calls (on Twitter) for him to be killed.
As Twitchy reports, "Twitter lynch mob: George Zimmerman is out on bail? Let's kill him!

"But it's not just Zimmerman who is at risk. In fact, there's already been a call on Twitter for the murder of the judge, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester, who agreed to release Zimmerman on bail.
Writing on a Twitter, someone named @Rick_Cobain writes,
"Zimmerman released from jail someone kill the judge!!!!!"
Zimmerman released from jail someone kill the judge!!!!!

You can't blame that on "liberals". That is exactly what I was talking about in my previous posting.

He'll be a target for those who would take the law into their own hands as a means of administering some "biblical justice", wait and see. . . And this thing will get so out of hand it will spawn race riots from coast to coast.

With so many unemployed still out on the streets (figuratively as well as literally), and a long and very hot summer just ahead, tempers will flare. The American society is a tinderbox sitting on a mountain of dynamite,  in the middle of a drought right now, and it will not take much more to set it all off.

[Henry Hawk]

You can't blame that on "liberals". That is exactly what I was talking about in my previous posting.

just an observation I have made.....you may be right.

[The Troll]

There are conflicting stories on what happened and one witness said he did quit pursuing Trayvon and Trayvon attacked him as he was getting in the car.  And, as I also said, the gun may very well have gone off accidentally when they were scuffling on the ground.  They haven't released any ballistic evidence yet and the media has fixed it so even if that is found to be true no one will believe it.

  WHAT!  Trayvon attacked him as Zimmerman was getting in his car.  Then may I ask, why was Trayvon's warm dead body found inside the condos building on the sidewalk a half a block from the road.  Reaching again.

  If Zimmerman was on the neighborhood watch why did he have a gun in the first place to go off accidentally.     Your trying to fool us again.  Butter Cup.

[Exterminator]

There are conflicting stories on what happened and one witness said he did quit pursuing Trayvon and Trayvon attacked him as he was getting in the car.  And, as I also said, the gun may very well have gone off accidentally when they were scuffling on the ground.  They haven't released any ballistic evidence yet and the media has fixed it so even if that is found to be true no one will believe it.

My primary bitch here is the constant attempt to turn everything into a partisan issue when it isn't.  Henry claims liberal bias in this case and will turn around tomorrow and complain about "liberal" courts putting criminals back on the streets.  So which is it already?

As for the specifics of this case, I am interested in this claim that a witness has Martin attacking Zimmerman as he was getting in his car; can you provide a link to this information?  Now let's consider the situation from a common sensical point of view...why?  Why would Martin randomly decide to attack a complete stranger in unfamiliar territory for no apparent reason?  Short of him being schizophrenic and off his meds, I can't come up with a single plausible reason why that even remotely makes sense.

I can say, however, with absolute certainty that there is a racial component to this story because if the situation were reversed and a young, black neighborhood watch person had shot an unarmed white kid in under exactly the same circumstances, he would have been arrested and made to prove his case in court.  You, yourself, provided an example of a similar story to which Locutus subsequently provided details; that shooting happened on Sunday evening and by Tuesday the shooter was in jail.

[me]

My primary bitch here is the constant attempt to turn everything into a partisan issue when it isn't.  Henry claims liberal bias in this case and will turn around tomorrow and complain about "liberal" courts putting criminals back on the streets.  So which is it already?

As for the specifics of this case, I am interested in this claim that a witness has Martin attacking Zimmerman as he was getting in his car; can you provide a link to this information?  Now let's consider the situation from a common sensical point of view...why?  Why would Martin randomly decide to attack a complete stranger in unfamiliar territory for no apparent reason?  Short of him being schizophrenic and off his meds, I can't come up with a single plausible reason why that even remotely makes sense.

I can say, however, with absolute certainty that there is a racial component to this story because if the situation were reversed and a young, black neighborhood watch person had shot an unarmed white kid in under exactly the same circumstances, he would have been arrested and made to prove his case in court.  You, yourself, provided an example of a similar story to which Locutus subsequently provided details; that shooting happened on Sunday evening and by Tuesday the shooter was in jail.

Can't provide a link it was one of the conflicting stories given by one of the supposed eye witnesses which was talked about on the news and was only intended to try to sort things out at the time.  That was back when this whole thing first started and who ever it was said Zimmerman had turned around to head back to his car when Trayvon jumped him.  It was brought up again when the wounds on the back of Zimmerman's head were being discussed.  It was not intended to shift the fault to Trayvon, hold Zimmerman blameless or excuse the fact that he was carrying a gun it was simply mentioned as one of the conflicting eye witness stories.

[The Troll]

Can't provide a link it was one of the conflicting stories given by one of the supposed eye witnesses which was talked about on the news and was only intended to try to sort things out at the time.  That was back when this whole thing first started and who ever it was said Zimmerman had turned around to head back to his car when Trayvon jumped him.  It was brought up again when the wounds on the back of Zimmerman's head were being discussed.  It was not intended to shift the fault to Trayvon, hold Zimmerman blameless or excuse the fact that he was carrying a gun it was simply mentioned as one of the conflicting eye witness stories.

  Your problem is you want Zimmerman to get off Scott free.  It was dark outside and no one seen anything until the gun shot and Zimmerman getting off of Trayvon warm dead body.

  So right now we are in a limbo but rumors and speculation.  This in like beating a dead horse.    I think you will be very surprised when the trail starts.   

[Locutus]

Marissa Alexander, a 31-year-old mother of three, pleaded for her freedom as an inmate in the Duval County Jail in Jacksonville, Florida.

"This is my life I'm fighting for," she said while wiping away tears. She added, "If you do everything to get on the right side of the law, and it is a law that does not apply to you, where do you go from there?"

Alexander is referring to Florida's so-called 'stand your ground' law, a law that has come under scrutiny since the killing of Trayvon Martin. Unlike the Martin case, which involved one stranger killing another, Alexander's case involved her gun and her abusive husband.

On August 1, 2010, she said her husband, Rico Gray, read text messages on her phone that she had written to her ex-husband. She said Gray became enraged and accused her of being unfaithful. "That's when he strangled me. He put his hands around my neck," Alexander said.

She managed to escape his grip but instead of running out the front door of their home, she ran into the garage, she said, to get into her truck and drive away. Alexander said that in the confusion of the fight, she forgot to get her keys and the garage door wouldn't open, so she made a fateful decision. "I knew I had to protect myself," she said, adding, "I could not fight him. He was 100 pounds more than me. I grabbed my weapon at that point."

She went back inside the house and when Gray saw her pistol at her side, she said he threatened to kill her, so she raised the gun and fired one shot. "I believe when he threatened to kill me, that's what he was absolutely going to do. That's what he intended to do. Had I not discharged my weapon at that point, I would not be here."

Alexander, however, said she did not aim the gun at her husband. She said she fired into the air intending to scare him away and Gray quickly left the house with his two children. No one was hurt in the incident, but Alexander sits in jail facing a 20-year sentence on three charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Gray admitted to a history of physical abuse. In a previous incident, Alexander said he beat her so severely she ended up in the hospital and he ended up in jail. "He pushed me, choked me, pushed me so hard into the closet that I hit my head against the wall and passed out for a second," Alexander said.

In a deposition for the case against Alexander, Gray backed up much of his wife's story. "I told her if she ever cheated on me, I would kill her," he said during the proceeding led by a prosecutor for State Attorney Angela Corey's office and his wife's defense attorney.

"If my kids weren't there, I knew I probably would have tried to take the gun from her," Gray said, adding, "If my kids wouldn't have been there, I probably would have put my hand on her." When Alexander's defense attorney asked him what he meant by "put my hand on her," Gray replied, "probably hit her. I got five baby mammas and I put my hands on every last one of them except for one."

Alexander's attorney filed a motion for dismissal under the stand your ground law but at that proceeding her husband changed his story. Gray said he lied during his deposition after conspiring with his wife in an effort to protect her. At the hearing, he denied threatening to kill his wife, adding, "I begged and pleaded for my life when she had the gun." The motion was denied by the judge.

Alexander was offered a plea deal by Corey's office, but she opted to go to trial. A jury found Alexander guilty in 12 minutes. She is baffled why invoking the stand your ground law wasn't successful in her case.

"Other defendants have used it. What's so different about my situation that it doesn't apply to me?" she asked.

The local NAACP believes race may have played a role.

"There's a double standard with stand your ground," said Isaiah Rumlin, president of the Jacksonville Chapter of the NAACP. "The law is applied differently between African-Americans and whites who are involved in these types of cases," he added.

Rumlin cited two shooting cases in Florida with white shooters: One had a successful stand your ground defense and the other has yet to be charged with a crime. Online blogs are also raising the question of race. Last week, a spokeswoman for the Rev. Al Sharpton confirmed he, too, was looking into Alexander's story. When asked about race as a factor in her case, Alexander declined to comment.

CNN requested an interview with Rico Gray for this story. He agreed but later declined through a family friend, saying he was concerned that speaking publicly would put his life in danger. On Sunday, he resumed contact with CNN, offering an interview to "anyone who would like to pay." Monetary compensation for an interview is against CNN policy.

Through a spokeswoman, State Attorney Angela Corey declined to comment on the case until after the sentencing. Alexander's attorney, Kevin M. Cobbin, is fighting for a new trial and that hearing is tentatively scheduled for next week. If that motion is denied, Alexander will receive a mandatory 20-year sentence with no possibility of parole.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/24/justice/ac360-stand-your-ground-law/index.html?c=us&page=0

[Locutus]

^^ Another stand your ground case here in Florida being prosecuted by the office of the same prosecutor who charged Zimmerman (State Attorney Angela Corey). 

[The Troll]

  You know, there is some bastards that just need a killing.  I don't care for and dislike a woman beater.  This guy was admitted wife beater.  Had her by hundred pounds plus the strength of a man, he probably had the knowledge of how to use his weight and strength.

  I don't think Tryvon had any of these qualities and the police didn't even want to arrest his killer.  Like I have said in the past, our Judaical system is really screw up just like some of our Peers on the jury's.     

[dan foster]

Yep, Zimmerman should havge been charged and a jury should have been left to decide if he acted in self-defense.  The problem that I have with the situation is that some people don't seem to realize that the stand your ground law doesn't only apply to Zimmerman but to Martin as well.  Zimmerman followed and probably tried to detain Martin when he had no authority to do so.  Had he followed the instructions he was given by law enforcement and let them handle it, Trayvon Martin would be alive today.  Martin's death is a direct result of bad decisions made by Zimmerman, ergo, Zimmerman is responsible for his death.

You don't get to cry self-defense when you shoot someone as a result of an altercation that you initiated.

I push the blame through Zimmerman all the way back to the stupid HOA that had barney fife acting on their behalf.  They should have to pay out a very large sum of money for the wrongful death of martin.  However, the SYG law is flawed if it would allow zimmerman to claim it for all the reasons you pointed out.  FL pretty much sucks.  And, man do they hate kids.

[The Troll]

  Dan, I'll bet your really sorry that Fox New fired Old Glen Beck.  What a relief, it like losing a large infected hemorrhoid off your ass.   

[me]

  Dan, I'll bet your really sorry that Fox New fired Old Glen Beck.  What a relief, it like losing a large infected hemorrhoid off your ass.   

BECK WAS NOT FIRED HE QUIT TO PURSUE OTHER INTERESTS.  HE STILL DOES GUEST APPEARANCES FROM TIME TO TIME ON VARIOUS SHOWS ON FOX.   THERE i PUT IT IN LARGE PRINT SO MAYBE YOU COULD READ IT. 

[The Troll]

BECK WAS NOT FIRED HE QUIT TO PURSUE OTHER INTERESTS.  HE STILL DOES GUEST APPEARANCES FROM TIME TO TIME ON VARIOUS SHOWS ON FOX.   THERE i PUT IT IN LARGE PRINT SO MAYBE YOU COULD READ IT. 

  Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that Glen was your spiritual leader and mentor.  :kiss;