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Started by Henry Hawk, March 29, 2012, 11:07:06 AM

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Locutus

Quote from: Exterminator on July 02, 2013, 08:47:19 PM

I digress...the jury will probably believe the smoke and mirrors presented by the defense and Zimmerman may, in fact, walk...just like O.J.


I'm just following the trial by what's coming out in the news, but after some of the things I've heard this week, I tend to agree with you.  He may very well get away with it.
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Palehorse

Well, it seems the investigators in Florida must have attended the same criminal investigation and forensics classes as those guys in LA. They actually bagged up the clothing, wet, in plastic bags; thereby leaving wiggle room in the forensic results for the defense.  :rolleyes:

I am starting to believe manslaughter may even be a stretch. . .
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me

Quote from: Palehorse on July 03, 2013, 10:42:41 PM
Well, it seems the investigators in Florida must have attended the same criminal investigation and forensics classes as those guys in LA. They actually bagged up the clothing, wet, in plastic bags; thereby leaving wiggle room in the forensic results for the defense.  :rolleyes:

I am starting to believe manslaughter may even be a stretch. . .
These guys are inept to say the least. 
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Locutus

If he doesn't walk, I'll be surprised. 
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me

This has been handled poorly from the start. 
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Locutus

BTW, the DNA evidence that Ex posted earlier was introduced today according to news reports. 
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Palehorse

Quote from: Locutus on July 04, 2013, 12:18:30 AM
BTW, the DNA evidence that Ex posted earlier was introduced today according to news reports.

And that is the very same DNA evidence that was collected from improperly handled evidence.  :mad:
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me

Quote from: Locutus on July 04, 2013, 12:18:30 AM
BTW, the DNA evidence that Ex posted earlier was introduced today according to news reports.
Problem is if Zimmerman's DNA had been on Travon's clothes it would have broken down due to the condition of them from being put in the bag wet. 
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Exterminator

Quote from: me on July 04, 2013, 07:21:51 AM
Problem is if Zimmerman's DNA had been on Travon's clothes it would have broken down due to the condition of them from being put in the bag wet.

That's what the defense is claiming but if Zimmerman's DNA broke down because of that, why didn't Martin's?  There are far too many inconsistencies in Zimmerman's version of events for his story to be believable.  He claims that Martin had him pinned to the ground, was punching him, banging his head into the concrete, trying to smother him and reaching for his handgun all at the same time.  For that to be true, Martin would have had to have been some sort of ninja octopus.  Additionally, he claims that Martin was on top of him when he was shot yet none of Martin's blood was on Zimmerman.  When someone is shot in the chest at point blank range, there's blood...a lot of it yet Zimmerman magically got none on him!  I hope the jury is smart enough to see through this charade and identify these obvious issues in the narrative the defense is feeding it.
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Quote from: Exterminator on July 04, 2013, 12:29:52 PM
. . .  I hope the jury is smart enough to see through this charade and identify these obvious issues in the narrative the defense is feeding it.

Therein lies the problem. By mishandling the evidence it allows the defense opportunity to inject reasonable doubt, (or unreasonable), which may be enough to put doubt into the jury's head. Especially if there are butter-knives in that box instead of fillet knives.
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Palehorse

Holy hell. The assistant medical examiner on the stand, who performed the autopsy on Martin, is a bumbling idiot! He is combative in demeanor and seems to want to testify about anything but the autopsy he performed.
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Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

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Locutus

Zimmerman is going to walk on this one.  I'm almost certain. 
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Henry Hawk

They should have sought manslaughter from the beginning.  I think that is a reasonable conclusion.  2nd degree murder is crazy.
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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on July 04, 2013, 12:29:52 PM
That's what the defense is claiming but if Zimmerman's DNA broke down because of that, why didn't Martin's?  There are far too many inconsistencies in Zimmerman's version of events for his story to be believable.  He claims that Martin had him pinned to the ground, was punching him, banging his head into the concrete, trying to smother him and reaching for his handgun all at the same time.  For that to be true, Martin would have had to have been some sort of ninja octopus.  Additionally, he claims that Martin was on top of him when he was shot yet none of Martin's blood was on Zimmerman.  When someone is shot in the chest at point blank range, there's blood...a lot of it yet Zimmerman magically got none on him!  I hope the jury is smart enough to see through this charade and identify these obvious issues in the narrative the defense is feeding it.

A nationally renowned gunshot wound expert testified Tuesday that Trayvon Martin's gunshot wound was consistent with accused murderer George Zimmerman's story that the teen was on top of him and leaning over when he was shot.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57592866-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-trayvon-martin-was-on-top-of-zimmerman-when-teen-was-shot-gunshot-wound-expert-testifies/
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

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Locutus

I hate to say this (because I think he's guilty), but he's going to skate on this.  The prosecution's case doesn't rise to the level of "beyond a reasonable doubt," as least as far as what I've heard about the case.  Juries can go either way, but that's my gut feeling at this point.

It's sad that he's not going to have to pay some price for his actions.  Regardless of what happened that night, there's only one person alive to tell a version of events.  Trayvon Martin is dead because George Zimmerman took it upon himself to disregard the advice of the dispatcher, leave his car, and follow Martin.

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson