Trayvon Martin

[Henry Hawk]

Zimmerman's credibility is key in the case, as it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him. All the objective evidence suggests that he pursued and shot Trayvon Martin in the heart.

according to his lawyer.

[The Troll]

according to his lawyer.

  You're still defending him.  Huh?   

[Henry Hawk]

  You're still defending him.  Huh?   

Nope, just tired of everybody accussing him as a murderer before they have ALL the evidence.......

[The Troll]

Nope, just tired of everybody accussing him as a murderer before they have ALL the evidence.......

  If that happened here in Indiana, right here in Anderson.  And you walked out of your house with your 9MM and shot an unarmed guy walking down a public road at night in the heart.  You think you would get off by saying, "I seen him walking down the road and I confronted him in the dark and he attacked me, therefore I get to shoot him to death."  Fat chance Bunky.      You started it, you murdered him because you didn't have a brain in your head.  Case closed. 

[Henry Hawk]

Let's try it this way troll,
Your neighborhood has had several break-ins over the last several months.  You and your neighbors decide to start a crime watch.  You take on the responsiblility of patroling the neighborhood.  You have already led the police to one burglary attempt who was caught and apprehended. 
One night you see someone walking aimlessly through backstreets and across yards in the rain.  You decide to get a closer look.  You call the police and report it.  You walk back to your car and cross paths with this person.  You exchange words, it gets out of hand.  He attacks you hits you in the nose, knocks you down, and begins to beat your head on the sidewalk.
Do you just go along with it because you should not have talked to this person in the first place?  You deserve to have you head busted open?

Look, I don't know WHAT happened..........this is Zimmermans story, and he may be lying through his teeth or he might be telling the truth. 
What I DO know is, this was not handled properly, and because of it all, Zimmermans Mom and Dad had to flee their home, his wife lost her job, ALL because this got out of hand.
We got to find out for certain, if Zim was being vigilante and profiling and harassing an unarmed teen? Or was he just being a  concerned citizen trying to prevent crime in his community?
Like I stated on here several times, at the worst, MY OPINION, (based upon heresay) he may be guilty of manslaughter.  Had he avoided this mess, a kid would be alive.  But, we don't know the full story.
I also KNOW for a fact, that the media immediatly jumped the gun and portrayed Martin as a sweet, innocent 15 year old looking kid, when in fact the picture the used was NOT recent, and Martin has a history of not being a sweet kid. 
Just want the truth to come out and justice be served ... properly.
am I a prick for wanting that?

[Palehorse]

. . .

Look, I don't know WHAT happened..........this is Zimmermans story, and he may be lying through his teeth or he might be telling the truth. 
. . .

And since this is only his version of the events, his credibility is of paramount importance to his future. Despite that he lies to the court surrounding his finances, submits his passport as ordered but not both of them, and has had his bail revoked.

Not the way to bolster your credibility to say the least. . .

[Palehorse]

according to his lawyer.

No. . . according to the prosecutor. . .

[followsthewolf]

Let's try it this way troll,
Your neighborhood has had several break-ins over the last several months.  You and your neighbors decide to start a crime watch.  You take on the responsiblility of patroling the neighborhood.  You have already led the police to one burglary attempt who was caught and apprehended. 
One night you see someone walking aimlessly through backstreets and across yards in the rain.  You decide to get a closer look.  You call the police and report it.  You walk back to your car and cross paths with this person.  You exchange words, it gets out of hand.  He attacks you hits you in the nose, knocks you down, and begins to beat your head on the sidewalk.
Do you just go along with it because you should not have talked to this person in the first place?  You deserve to have you head busted open?

Look, I don't know WHAT happened..........this is Zimmermans story, and he may be lying through his teeth or he might be telling the truth. 
What I DO know is, this was not handled properly, and because of it all, Zimmermans Mom and Dad had to flee their home, his wife lost her job, ALL because this got out of hand.
We got to find out for certain, if Zim was being vigilante and profiling and harassing an unarmed teen? Or was he just being a  concerned citizen trying to prevent crime in his community?
Like I stated on here several times, at the worst, MY OPINION, (based upon heresay) he may be guilty of manslaughter.  Had he avoided this mess, a kid would be alive.  But, we don't know the full story.
I also KNOW for a fact, that the media immediatly jumped the gun and portrayed Martin as a sweet, innocent 15 year old looking kid, when in fact the picture the used was NOT recent, and Martin has a history of not being a sweet kid. 
Just want the truth to come out and justice be served ... properly.
am I a prick for wanting that?

No, but, if you've got a brain in your skull, you take a different route.

First, you OBSERVE ONLY. You DO NOT CARRY A WEAPON. You are NOT a police officer; you are NOT a vigilante; you are NOT in a position where you are defending your home against an intruder who may harm you or your family. You are only sure of one thing: there is a person unfamiliar TO YOU who is walking in the neighborhood.

Second, YOU STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM AND CALL THE POLICE. THEN GO AWAY FROM HIM, AVOID CONFRONTATION AT ALL COSTS, AND LET THE POLICE HANDLE IT. If you are as afraid of this suspicious person as you say you are, what the hell are you doing going anywhere near him? Walk in the opposite direction.

Third, the fact that you have a carry permit and you have a weapon does not constitute a 007 license to kill, even in a fist fight (if, in fact, that ever occurred), and it certainly does not create an invisible shield around you that will protect you from harm. If this person was a burglar and had the moxie to enter occupied homes to steal, and was carrying a weapon himself, I submit that he would make you into dog meat much faster than you can react. LESSON: STAT THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO WALK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. No property that he might steal is worth your life......is it?

Finally, if you haven't thought through a plan of action and plan b, and plan c, etc., then don't go out at night with a gun looking for trouble:

OBSERVE AND REPORT ONLY!!!!!

DO NOT CONFRONT!!!!

Obviously, the many mistakes you can make will haunt you for the rest of your life, simply because you went out to show those bastards they can't come to your neighborhood and get away with crime.

[Henry Hawk]

No. . . according to the prosecutor. . .

Crump, the Martin family attorney, said Monday that "if attorney O'Mara files the motion, then the stage is set for George Zimmerman and his wife to have to take the witness stand and try to explain what the state attorney said were blatant lies to the court, thus exposing them further to credibility issues."

Zimmerman's credibility, he said, is key in the case, as "it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him. All the objective evidence suggests that he pursued and shot Trayvon Martin in the heart."
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/

[Henry Hawk]

No, but, if you've got a brain in your skull, you take a different route.

First, you OBSERVE ONLY. You DO NOT CARRY A WEAPON. You are NOT a police officer; you are NOT a vigilante; you are NOT in a position where you are defending your home against an intruder who may harm you or your family. You are only sure of one thing: there is a person unfamiliar TO YOU who is walking in the neighborhood.

Second, YOU STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM AND CALL THE POLICE. THEN GO AWAY FROM HIM, AVOID CONFRONTATION AT ALL COSTS, AND LET THE POLICE HANDLE IT. If you are as afraid of this suspicious person as you say you are, what the hell are you doing going anywhere near him? Walk in the opposite direction.

Third, the fact that you have a carry permit and you have a weapon does not constitute a 007 license to kill, even in a fist fight (if, in fact, that ever occurred), and it certainly does not create an invisible shield around you that will protect you from harm. If this person was a burglar and had the moxie to enter occupied homes to steal, and was carrying a weapon himself, I submit that he would make you into dog meat much faster than you can react. LESSON: STAT THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO WALK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. No property that he might steal is worth your life......is it?

Finally, if you haven't thought through a plan of action and plan b, and plan c, etc., then don't go out at night with a gun looking for trouble:

OBSERVE AND REPORT ONLY!!!!!

DO NOT CONFRONT!!!!

Obviously, the many mistakes you can make will haunt you for the rest of your life, simply because you went out to show those bastards they can't come to your neighborhood and get away with crime.

I don't argue that at all..........I agree, it was handled wrong.  But, Zimmerman may not have broke any laws.  So, he may only be guilty of manslaughter.  Based upon what we know, I do not believe he hunted martin down like a dog and shot him in cold blood.

[Palehorse]

I don't argue that at all..........I agree, it was handled wrong.  But, Zimmerman may not have broke any laws.  So, he may only be guilty of manslaughter.  Based upon what we know, I do not believe he hunted martin down like a dog and shot him in cold blood.

Crump, the Martin family attorney, said Monday that "if attorney O'Mara files the motion, then the stage is set for George Zimmerman and his wife to have to take the witness stand and try to explain what the state attorney said were blatant lies to the court, thus exposing them further to credibility issues."

Zimmerman's credibility, he said, is key in the case, as "it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him. All the objective evidence suggests that he pursued and shot Trayvon Martin in the heart."
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/04/justice/florida-teen-shooting/

I stand corrected. . . (But at least I finally got you to do a modicum of research).

[Henry Hawk]

I stand corrected. . . (But at least I finally got you to do a modicum of research).

and at least I got you to admit you was wrong on SOMETHING.

[followsthewolf]

I don't argue that at all..........I agree, it was handled wrong.  But, Zimmerman may not have broke any laws.  So, he may only be guilty of manslaughter.  Based upon what we know, I do not believe he hunted martin down like a dog and shot him in cold blood.

Henry, if he is guilty of manslaughter, he HAS broken a law. The degree of homicide is yet to be determined.

"....only guilty of manslaughter"?

Wow. That is one huge "only."

I wouldn't trivialize it like that.

[Palehorse]

I don't argue that at all..........I agree, it was handled wrong.  But, Zimmerman may not have broke any laws.  So, he may only be guilty of manslaughter.  Based upon what we know, I do not believe he hunted martin down like a dog and shot him in cold blood.

Seriously? So it is okay to disregard a direct instruction from the police? That at minimum is a chargeable offense.

Moreover, he carried a weapon against the HOA NW policies, and also confronted an individual who was doing nothing more than walking to the home in which he had been residing for a period of time prior to Zimmy getting all hot and bothered that evening.

On top of all this, he lies to court and initiates actions that clearly are deceitful and then expects people to actually believe his version of the events that transpired that evening?

The 911 tapes and witness testimony in court will carry more weight than his credibility does now. He has virtually assured his fate at the hands of the jurors that will hear the case; by his own hand and actions.

I do not see a level of "reasonable doubt" being generated on Zimmy's part when this case comes to court. Sure, none of us has heard/read the entire case as of this time. But this guy's actions are not indicative of an individual who is regretful of his actions and being truthful and forthright either. . .

and at least I got you to admit you was wrong on SOMETHING.

Whatta guy! 

[libby]

No, but, if you've got a brain in your skull, you take a different route.

First, you OBSERVE ONLY. You DO NOT CARRY A WEAPON. You are NOT a police officer; you are NOT a vigilante; you are NOT in a position where you are defending your home against an intruder who may harm you or your family. You are only sure of one thing: there is a person unfamiliar TO YOU who is walking in the neighborhood.

Second, YOU STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM AND CALL THE POLICE. THEN GO AWAY FROM HIM, AVOID CONFRONTATION AT ALL COSTS, AND LET THE POLICE HANDLE IT. If you are as afraid of this suspicious person as you say you are, what the hell are you doing going anywhere near him? Walk in the opposite direction.

Third, the fact that you have a carry permit and you have a weapon does not constitute a 007 license to kill, even in a fist fight (if, in fact, that ever occurred), and it certainly does not create an invisible shield around you that will protect you from harm. If this person was a burglar and had the moxie to enter occupied homes to steal, and was carrying a weapon himself, I submit that he would make you into dog meat much faster than you can react. LESSON: STAT THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM, EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO WALK IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. No property that he might steal is worth your life......is it?

Finally, if you haven't thought through a plan of action and plan b, and plan c, etc., then don't go out at night with a gun looking for trouble:

OBSERVE AND REPORT ONLY!!!!!

DO NOT CONFRONT!!!!

Obviously, the many mistakes you can make will haunt you for the rest of your life, simply because you went out to show those bastards they can't come to your neighborhood and get away with crime.