Trayvon Martin

[Y]

'Cracker' is a term used by both Negros and Caucasians in the South - especially Florida.

[Henry Hawk]

and when used with "creepy-ass" in front of it, it is most certainly a derogatory terminology...no matter what state or race is using it.

[Y]

They completely missed several points that seemed obvious to me.  It was almost as if they were deliberately trying to throw it.

I think that is a point we have to consider.

First a disclaimer.  I have NOT really followed the news coverage.

1. I think there was evidence there, but that the prosecution did a pizz poor job with it.

2. I think there would have been more, and more compelling, evidence had the original investigating officers and police chief had not taken it upon themselves to decide Zimmerman was innocent and Martin guilty and instead investigated the crime impartially and immediately, and properly, secured the crime scene and the evidence.

3. I also think the repeated painting of Zimmerman as 'white' backfired in the end as Zimmerman's 'story' was the one the jury was essentially left - see #2 - and, especially still in the South, the 'white' man will invariably be more 'believable'.


The entire situation - from start to finish - was a very dark comedy.  One that ended with the unnecessary death of a young man.

[Y]

and when used with "creepy-ass" in front of it, it is most certainly a derogatory terminology...no matter what state or race is using it.

Please, stop trying to make excuses for Zimmerman and actually use your head.

If you were walking at night, talking in the phone, AND being followed, might you - or anyone else for that matter - use the term 'creepy-ass' or something similar to describe someone tracking you?

It would be a common response.

[Y]

And now I'd like to add something that I remembered reading when Zimmerman killed the boy -- it regards Zimmerman's father, the Magistrate. Didn't know that?...

Zimmerman's father being a Magistrate, and considered as part of the law enforcement community, may have been a deciding influence in the failure on the part of the Police Chief to secure the scene and investigate properly and impartially, and his taking it upon himself to make a decision on the evidence - something that it was NOT his place to do.

[Y]

Here is how the jury found to the loophole to acquit Zimmerman. 

Their acquittal was grounded in this flawed law, and the failure of the prosecution to address the loophole and thus slam the door on Zimmerman's defense:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.012.html

Title XLVI
CRIMES
   
Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
   
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.

Basically, the prosecution allowed the defense to promote Zimmerman's 'tale' that he was in fear for his life.

[Y]

There IS a reason for them thinking that way too........because evidence indicates that Zimmerman is telling us the truth.

Actually, the evidence appears to tell us that Zimmerman did not tell the truth, and may have manufactured both his tale and his MINOR injuries.

It also appears to tell us that there was a crime committed by Zimmerman and that both the investigation and prosecution of the crime were deeply flawed and at the least border on malfeasance, if not actual malfeasance itself.

[Y]

Zimmerman is totally responsible for every event leading up to and including the death of Martin. 

Zimmerman's culpability started the moment he violated his neighborhood watch agreement.

[Y]

That is what the Chief of Police said from the beginning, but was FIRED, because the MEDIA demanded an arrest.

1. It was NOT the Police Chief's purview to make that call. 

His purview was to properly secure the crime scene and then to properly, and impartially conduct the investigation - the collection of evidence - which is THEN to be turned over to the PROSECUTOR to decide whether the EVIDENCE warrants CHARGES being filed.

2. How can the PC have been 'fired' when he submitted his own RESIGNATION!

Once he submitted it, the council was at its own leisure as when to enforce it.

[me]

Zimmerman is totally responsible for every event leading up to and including the death of Martin. 

Zimmerman's culpability started the moment he violated his neighborhood watch agreement.

Wouldn't it been smart of Travon to have said he was going to his dad's when Zimmerman asked him what he was doing?  Since his dad lives in that neighborhood and knew there was a neighborhood watch because of the burglaries shouldn't he have told Travon there was a neighborhood watch and not to do anything that could be deemed suspicious? 

[me]

Someone referred to Zimmerman as a white Hispanic, not on here I don't believe but I heard one of the blacks on an interview refer to him that way.  I'm wondering if Zimmerman is a white Hispanic does that make Obama a black Caucasian? 

[Locutus]

Someone referred to Zimmerman as a white Hispanic, not on here I don't believe but I heard one of the blacks on an interview refer to him that way.  I'm wondering if Zimmerman is a white Hispanic does that make Obama a black Caucasian? 

Okay I'm going to flat-out say it.  You're a racist.  Every single post you have made on this thread exudes it. 

[me]

Okay I'm going to flat-out say it.  You're a racist.  Every single post you have made on this thread exudes it.

I could prove I'm not but I think it's really a moot point as far as anything goes on this forum so I'll just let you live in your fantasy world and let you and the others rattle off your spoon fed propaganda crap 'til your hearts content. 

Oh, you didn't answer my question.

[Y]

Here are the pictures of Zimmerman's injuries.

Where they look the worst prior to being cleaned up:



After they have been cleaned up somewhat:

[Y]

Bashed in his head?  Oh, you mean those two little cuts that didn't even require sutures?  Hardly qualifies as a "bashed in head" to anyone with an IQ higher than 50 (which explains your interpretation).  As far as breaking his own nose, yes, I believe that was self-inflicted.  He knew he was fucked and was probably going to spend the rest of his life in prison so he injured himself to bolster his claim of self-defense.  I watched someone shatter his elbow against the concrete so he would be discharged from the Army; people will injure themselves if they think they have reason enough.

Exactly.  What DNA evidence is there that Trayvon Martin inflicted any of those injuries on Zimmerman?  Please explain to everyone how Martin did all of the things you're claiming he did without getting any of Zimmerman's DNA on him, on his clothing, under his fingernails...  It isn't fucking possible.

I agree that the injuries are minor.

I also say that they do NOT constitute injury enough to raise a reasonable belief of "imminent death or great bodily harm" as required per FL. statute to justify use of deadly force.

One cannot help but accept that - with all the prior media attention to the SYG phrasing of the FL. statute, Zimmerman's father having been a Magistrate, and the fact that Zimmerman deliberately strapped on his gun in clear violation of his neighborhood watch mandate - Zimmerman was thoroughly versed in the requirements of that FL. statute and understood what was necessary for him to use it as a defense.

The lack of any DNA evidence to support Zimmerman's claim is a HUGE red flag alerting that Zimmerman's tale should be looked up as, at least, having a HIGH probability of fabrication.