Let's go!
;D
Trouble maker. :razz:
:yes:
:big grin:
Ok. Let's start by wagering how many pages long this thread will be by Election Day in November.
That's a hard one to call.
Quote from: Locutus on June 08, 2016, 04:57:51 PM
:big grin:
Ok. Let's start by wagering how many pages long this thread will be by Election Day in November.
There is some people on the Zone that are to cheap to bet a little money. :chick: And I do mean cheap. :chick:
Yep! that's me!!! :yes: as much as I would LOVE to take your money Troll, that is now how I roll. Not a gambler. Work too hard for my money to lose it by chance. :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 09, 2016, 08:06:21 AM
Yep! that's me!!! :yes: as much as I would LOVE to take your money Troll, that is now how I roll. Not a gambler. Work too hard for my money to lose it by chance. :no:
Work too hard for your money, give me a fucking break. :yes: You don't know what hard work is. :yes: You ex-soda jerk. :haha: :haha:
I have lots I could write and argue about -- especially politics :eek: if I had the time.
I have been dealing with a continuing problem involving a young extended family member while trying to remember what a normal life was like for me.
Anyway, back to politics: I've just about become addicted to MSNBC and their almost 24 hours a day coverage of the craziness of politics right now -- stating with Morning Joe at 6 in the morning 5 days a week.
"Morning Joe
Talk show
Hosted by former GOP representative Joe Scarborough, "Morning Joe" features interviews with top newsmakers and high-profile politicians. The political pundit also offers in-depth analysis of the day's biggest stories, and frequently debates issues with his co-host, Mika Brzezinski."
Quote from: libby on June 09, 2016, 11:12:49 AM
I have lots I could write and argue about -- especially politics :eek: if I had the time.
I have been dealing with a continuing problem involving a young extended family member while trying to remember what a normal life was like for me.
Anyway, back to politics: I've just about become addicted to MSNBC and their almost 24 hours a day coverage of the craziness of politics right now -- stating with Morning Joe at 6 in the morning 5 days a week.
"Morning Joe
Talk show
Hosted by former GOP representative Joe Scarborough, "Morning Joe" features interviews with top newsmakers and high-profile politicians. The political pundit also offers in-depth analysis of the day's biggest stories, and frequently debates issues with his co-host, Mika Brzezinski."
Yep, I watch it too. Old Blow Hard Joe and can't get a word in, poor old Mika. :yes: :biggrin: Old Die Hard Republican Joe sure doesn't like (hates) Donald Trump and I just love to see him blow a gasket about it. :sm39: :gossip: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :choo: :grin2:
Obama has officially endorsed Clinton saying, "I don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office."
He speaks the truth. :yes:
I'm going with 53 pages by the time the election is decided.
Quote from: Locutus on June 09, 2016, 03:02:02 PM
Obama has officially endorsed Clinton saying, "I don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office."
He speaks the truth. :yes:
:yes: I spent most of the evening watching the aftermath of it, including Elizabeth Warren's fiery speech, in which she blasted Donald Trump. As I guess you know, she also endorsed Hillary.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 09, 2016, 05:15:36 PM
I'm going with 53 pages by the time the election is decided.
I think it will be more around 25 to 27 pages the day of the election..... :yes: ;)
Quote from: Locutus on June 09, 2016, 03:02:02 PM
Obama has officially endorsed Clinton saying, "I don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office."
He speaks the truth. :yes:
I will NOT even comment on this other than maybe just to say.......it is the most laughable post and comment perhaps ever witnessed by anyone on earth....other than that, I will not comment. :no:
Not a word... :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2016, 07:03:47 AM
I will NOT even comment on this other than maybe just to say.......it is the most laughable post and comment perhaps ever witnessed by anyone on earth....other than that, I will not comment. :no:
Not a word... :no:
I sure am glad nobody gives a damn about what you have to say, Bird Boy. :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on June 10, 2016, 01:47:31 PM
I sure am glad nobody gives a damn about what you have to say, Bird Boy. :haha:
You do Troll, don't pretend you don't....when you gonna buy me one of them tenderloins that lapel is famous for?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2016, 02:55:12 PM
You do Troll, don't pretend you don't....when you gonna buy me one of them tenderloins that lapel is famous for?
Henry the guys at the Legion have stopped hand breading the tenderloins. They buy them off a vendor and I don't think they're that good any more. :yes: In fact they are not even good enough to feed you with one. :yes: :wink: :haha:
"Trump has written a lot of books about business—but they all seem to end at Chapter 11."
-- Hillary Clinton
:yes: :biggrin:
I never knew that they could pile shit so high with such small hands. :haha: Don't you just love Trump. :razz: :biggrin: :zoners: :wait: :me: :bsflag:
Quote from: Locutus on June 22, 2016, 10:22:33 AM
"Trump has written a lot of books about business—but they all seem to end at Chapter 11."
-- Hillary Clinton
:yes: :biggrin:
:laugh:
CORRUPTION IS AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH IN WASHINGTON.....
That is all I am going to say about it.... :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 05, 2016, 11:46:19 AM
CORRUPTION IS AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH IN WASHINGTON.....
That is all I am going to say about it.... :rant:
Little pissed about Comey's speech? :rotfl:
Seriously Hank, the FBI has said all along that this wasn't a criminal investigation of Secretary Clinton. Why did you all of a sudden expect it to be such in the end? Are you that out of touch with reality?
Quote from: Locutus on July 05, 2016, 12:23:31 PM
Are you that out of touch with reality?
I take it this is a rhetorical question? ;)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 05, 2016, 12:29:51 PM
I take it this is a rhetorical question? ;)
:biggrin: :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 05, 2016, 11:46:19 AM
CORRUPTION IS AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH IN WASHINGTON.....
That is all I am going to say about it.... :rant:
Aw...poor babies didn't get what they wanted so now they're going to kick and scream. Where was all of your self-righteous indignation in 2007 when Bush absolutely violated the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy) by using a private email server while sitting president of the United States? Fucking hypocrites.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 05, 2016, 12:44:47 PM
Aw...poor babies didn't get what they wanted so now they're going to kick and scream. Where was all of your self-righteous indignation in 2007 when Bush absolutely violated the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy) by using a private email server while sitting president of the United States? Fucking hypocrites.
Was it in his home and used exclusivly for all his emails? Did he delete all of his emails? What's yer point?
Quote from: me on July 05, 2016, 12:50:37 PM
Was it in his home and used exclusivly for all his emails? Did he delete all of his emails? What's yer point?
Read the fucking article and then opine on it. It's plainly obvious that you can't/won't read anything that's presented here because you always fall back on the same bullshit kind of posts that you've always made.
Quote from: Locutus on July 05, 2016, 12:52:48 PM
Read the fucking article and then opine on it. It's plainly obvious that you can't/won't read anything that's presented here because you always fall back on the same bullshit kind of posts that you've always made.
Yep...ignorance at its finest.
Quote from: Locutus on July 05, 2016, 12:52:48 PM
Read the fucking article and then opine on it. It's plainly obvious that you can't/won't read anything that's presented here because you always fall back on the same bullshit kind of posts that you've always made.
You obviously don't read anything H H or I post so why should either of us bother to read anything and of you post? You didn't answer my question.
Quote from: me on July 05, 2016, 01:09:44 PM
You obviously don't read anything H H or I post so why should either of us bother to read anything and of you post? You didn't answer my question.
I actually read more than you give me credit for, and I'm sure Ex does too. It's evident from both of our postings.
Quote from: me on July 05, 2016, 01:09:44 PM
You obviously don't read anything H H or I post so why should either of us bother to read anything and of you post? You didn't answer my question.
We absolutely do! How else would we have known that the links you posted that you claim show proof that Elizabeth Warren has no native American heritage don't provide that proof at all? Now you answer our question...where was your self-righteous indignation about Bush's administration using private email servers in clear
violation of law?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 05, 2016, 12:44:47 PM
Aw...poor babies didn't get what they wanted so now they're going to kick and scream. Where was all of your self-righteous indignation in 2007 when Bush absolutely violated the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy) by using a private email server while sitting president of the United States? Fucking hypocrites.
I hate it when you always refer to Bush..........If Bush was proven Crooked.....then he is crooked. I'm sick and tired of corruption in Washington and you guys say well THEY did it, so it is okay if WE do it.
At the least the FBI said she was "extremely careless" with highly sensitive classified information...for the fact that she continually lied to the public about her email use and what really happened in the Benghazi attack....all of the fine qualities of a POTUS nominee? :rolleyes:
It isn't even worth arguing about anymore. :no: It is clearly corruption at its finest.
and you guys are okay with it because Bush or a GOP person was crooked so it is just pay back or some stupid shit like that... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 05, 2016, 01:30:17 PM
We absolutely do! How else would we have known that the links you posted that you claim show proof that Elizabeth Warren has no native American heritage don't provide that proof at all? Now you answer our question...where was your self-righteous indignation about Bush's administration using private email servers in clear violation of law?
Once again I ask, did he use one exclusivly and only have one email and was the server in his house, owned by him, and not government approved like Hillary's?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 05, 2016, 02:27:17 PM
I'm sick and tired of corruption in Washington and you guys say well THEY did it, so it is okay if WE do it.
That's not what we're saying at all. What we're saying is that it's hypocritical for conservatives to turn a blind eye to their own politicians' misdeeds while castigating those on the other side of the aisle for often much less egregious behavior.
Quote from: me on July 05, 2016, 03:47:57 PM
Once again I ask, did he use one exclusivly and only have one email and was the server in his house, owned by him, and not government approved like Hillary's?
You're an idiot and you are clearly never going to educate yourself so your opinions are meaningless. Buzz off like the annoying gnat you are.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 05, 2016, 03:59:32 PM
That's not what we're saying at all. What we're saying is that it's hypocritical for conservatives to turn a blind eye to their own politicians' misdeeds while castigating those on the other side of the aisle for often much less egregious behavior.
I don't disagree with that........as I said, I am sick and tired of ALL of Washington. The GOP sucks! That is why I am on the Trump Wagon....I believe that HE is the BEST shot at changing the way politics is being played in Washington. He may not be the ideal candidate, but he is the best out there RIGHT NOW.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 05, 2016, 04:47:34 PM
He may not be the ideal candidate, but he is the best out there RIGHT NOW.
You're nuts. Trump is downright dangerous.
Quote from: Locutus on July 05, 2016, 04:51:16 PM
You're nuts. Trump is downright dangerous.
and Hillary is NOT?
let me see, how I want to word this...........hmmm
OH!
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!
YEAH, that works....
If you think Trump is dangerous and Hillary isn't..............THOSE words fit!!! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 05, 2016, 04:58:34 PM
and Hillary is NOT?
let me see, how I want to word this...........hmmm
OH!
GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!
YEAH, that works....
If you think Trump is dangerous and Hillary isn't..............THOSE words fit!!! :yes:
Hillary is, by far, the most qualified candidate twixt those two. It's readily apparent to any rational, thinking, individual.
There's a good reason for the trepidation that you see vis-a-vis his candidacy from some of your fellow Republicans.
1. He vitriolic and racist to the core.
2. He's lying.
3. His campaign promises lack substance or any definitive plan as to how he would implement them.
... and those are just 3 of the things that are wrong with him.
He's appealing to the basest elements of his supporters, and it's very telling about him and them.
You included.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 05, 2016, 12:56:44 PM
Yep...ignorance at its finest.
Willful ignorance at that. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 05, 2016, 05:24:45 PM
Hillary is, by far, the most qualified candidate twixt those two. It's readily apparent to any rational, thinking, individual.
There's a good reason for the trepidation that you see vis-a-vis his candidacy from some of your fellow Republicans.
1. He vitriolic and racist to the core.
2. He's lying.
3. His campaign promises lack substance or any definitive plan as to how he would implement them.
... and those are just 3 of the things that are wrong with him.
He's appealing to the basest elements of his supporters, and it's very telling about him and them.
You included.
And I would say that it is a proven FACT, Hillary IS a LIAR. PERIOD...and cannot be trusted. PERIOD. (I like using that....)
The FBI has PROVEN, she was grossly negligent, and used extremely poor judgement.......all great characteristics of someone who YOU think is far more qualified.........HELL, Obama says she is THE MOST Qualified EVER!!! Talk about political BS!!
Trump has already signified, that he is going to put smart people around him.......then he will make decisions on how he will move forward.
Him being a racist is just liberal BS.
I am one of several MILLION, who is willing to support him..........because he is pissing of both establishments........and going against the grain of the normal corrupt Washington DC.
Hillary is probably the most disgusting candidate EVER........and the FBI pretty much proved it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2016, 08:08:45 AM
Him being a racist is just liberal BS.
Even you can't be this ignorant. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 06, 2016, 08:28:04 AM
Even you can't be this ignorant. :rolleyes:
I think he just showed he can. ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on July 06, 2016, 08:28:04 AM
Even you can't be this ignorant. :rolleyes:
Give him a break Exterminator. :wink: You know damn well that he can be that ignorant. :chick:
Lets put it this way, he is no more racist than Obama or Clinton.
Quote from: The Troll on July 06, 2016, 10:31:03 AM
Give him a break Exterminator. :wink: You know damn well that he can be that ignorant. :chick:
He just proved it again! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 06, 2016, 11:27:02 AM
He just proved it again! :biggrin:
Only to you bozo's!
The vast majority of the thinking, blue collars worker in this Country, knows exactly what I am talking about....and it will be proven this Nov. ;) :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2016, 11:29:46 AM
Only to you bozo's!
The vast majority of the thinking, blue collars worker in this Country, knows exactly what I am talking about.
FTFY. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2016, 11:29:46 AM
...and it will be proven this Nov. ;) :yes:
You'd better get used to hearing the words "President Clinton" quite often over the coming years.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2016, 11:29:46 AM
The vast majority of the thinking, blue collars worker in this Country, knows exactly what I am talking about....and it will be proven this Nov. ;) :yes:
Well I'll be damned. If this isn't déjà-fuckin'-vu. LMAO!! :rotfl:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 13, 2012, 02:54:31 PM
Nope, I clearly see what the rest of Americans are clearly seeing....and Nov, I will prove it to you.
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18427.msg451907#msg451907
Quote from: Locutus on July 06, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
Well I'll be damned. If this isn't déjà-fuckin'-vu. LMAO!! :rotfl:
BAHAHAHAHAHA! :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on July 06, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
Well I'll be damned. If this isn't déjà-fuckin'-vu. LMAO!! :rotfl:
To steal a quote from the late, great Bum Phillips........
"First time, we knocked on the door, last time we pounded.......this time we are knocking the SOB in!"
I think this analogy fits...2008, we knocked, but clearly lost. 2012, we pounded (If Mitt had any gonads, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation)....now with Trump, I think we WILL knock the SOB in....by a landslide.
I gotta believe, that Americans are NOT so stupid as to vote for an "FBI" labeled lying, and extremely careless, crook (I through the last noun in) as our next POTUS.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2016, 04:18:56 PM
To steal a quote from the late, great Bum Phillips........
"First time, we knocked on the door, last time we pounded.......this time we are knocking the SOB in!"
I think this analogy fits...2008, we knocked, but clearly lost. 2012, we pounded (If Mitt had any gonads, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation)....now with Trump, I think we WILL knock the SOB in....by a landslide.
I gotta believe, that Americans are NOT so stupid as to vote for an "FBI" labeled lying, and extremely careless, crook (I through the last noun in) as our next POTUS.....
Refer to what I said above. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on July 06, 2016, 12:34:44 PM
You'd better get used to hearing the words "President Clinton" quite often over the coming years.
Quote from: Locutus on July 06, 2016, 04:24:07 PM
Refer to what I said above. :wink:
Not seeing it!...I have faith in the American people........if they let me down...........I'm moving to Mexico and becoming an illegal immigrant.
I might get a job at Carrier..or..open a hot dog stand.....work on my tan....maybe increase my intake of Tequila...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2016, 04:28:12 PM
Not seeing it!...I have faith in the American people........if they let me down...........I'm moving to Mexico and becoming an illegal immigrant.
Promise? ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2016, 04:28:12 PM
I might get a job at Carrier..or..open a hot dog stand.....work on my tan....maybe increase my intake of Tequila...
On bad days, I've often thought of selling coconut carvings to tourists on some remote island as being preferable to my current gig. :yes: ;D
Quote from: Locutus on July 06, 2016, 04:41:05 PM
Promise? ;D
On bad days, I've often thought of selling coconut carvings to tourists on some remote island as being preferable to my current gig. :yes: ;D
Let's go in Halfsies. (sp)........I have been having one of those weeks!!! I can carve some Hillary Coconuts with clever saying on them, you can do some Don carvings........what more can a fella want??!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 06, 2016, 04:18:56 PM
I think this analogy fits...2008, we knocked, but clearly lost. 2012, we pounded (If Mitt had any gonads, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation)....now with Trump, I think we WILL knock the SOB in....by a landslide.
The problem with your party is that they, like you, never learn from their mistakes. Rather than taking something away from your past failures and making changes, you all have actually doubled up on the strategy that caused you to lose previous elections. It's almost be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 07, 2016, 07:45:16 AM
The problem with your party is that they, like you, never learn from their mistakes. Rather than taking something away from your past failures and making changes, you all have actually doubled up on the strategy that caused you to lose previous elections. It's almost be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
That's so true. And now, in the candidacy of Trump, they're reaping what they've sown.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 07, 2016, 07:45:16 AM
The problem with your party is that they, like you, never learn from their mistakes. Rather than taking something away from your past failures and making changes, you all have actually doubled up on the strategy that caused you to lose previous elections. It's almost be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
Yup! Amazing how they cannot see the forest for the trees isn't it?
Quote from: Locutus on July 07, 2016, 12:22:58 PM
That's so true. And now, in the candidacy of Trump, they're reaping what they've sown.
Indeed. Only when they lose it will be 4 - 8 more years of a do nothing congress; once again based upon a mash of sour grapes. These people will truly cut their noses off to spite their faces. They will nurture the rapid decline of this nation no matter who wins this election, and blame it upon the winner.
They believe themselves to be above the legal authorities in this nation and will not accept any adjudication that does not directly support their twisted world view. :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 09, 2016, 05:15:36 PM
I'm going with 53 pages by the time the election is decided.
We are up to 5 pages with just over 3 months to go. . . :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 07, 2016, 01:54:41 PM
Only when they lose it will be 4 - 8 more years of a do nothing congress; once again based upon a mash of sour grapes.
Maybe, maybe not. The division in their party will surely affect the down-ballot, to what extent is anyone's guess.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 07, 2016, 01:59:42 PM
Maybe, maybe not. The division in their party will surely affect the down-ballot, to what extent is anyone's guess.
What truly needs to happen is for each and every single incumbent to be elected out of office within the next several election cycles. And in the process a clear, loud, and consistent demand for term limits upon each and every single congressional office in this nation! :yes:
They want some cuts? Lets stop this lifetime salary crap for congress and let them go out and seek employment after their term is over. :yes:
:trustme: This next election will be the largest landslide win for the Democrats in the history of America. :flag: :choo: :choo: :choo: :koolaid: :4th3:
Quote from: The Troll on July 08, 2016, 11:06:03 PM
:trustme: This next election will be the largest landslide win for the Democrats in the history of America. :flag: :choo: :choo: :choo: :koolaid: :4th3:
Depends on how many dead people vote. :razz:
Quote from: me on July 08, 2016, 11:18:46 PM
Depends on how many dead people vote. :razz:
We all know that one dead head will vote Republican and that's you :me: :wall2:
Here ya go.......
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
This is for Me and HH: "The republican candidate is one of the few politicians in the United States capable of making Hillary Clinton appear sympathetic on the worst day of her campaign. Donald Trump -- again falling off the teleprompter wagon -- accused the attorney general of bribery, obsessively defended an anti-Semitic meme and praised Saddam Hussein for being "really good at killing terrorists." On the evidence of Halabja, Hussein was also really good at killing women and children with mustard gas, tabun and VX. "Saddam Hussein throws a little gas," Trump mocked in December, "everyone goes crazy, 'Oh, he's using gas!"
Just to be clear: Any leader who makes light of the largest chemical weapons attack on civilians in history -- which, among other horrors sent children into convulsions and respiratory failure -- has a moral screw loose, a sickness of the soul. Paul Ryan and Reince Priebus, meet the man you have endorsed."
From: The Triumph of Cynicism, by Michael Gerson (R)
The Washington Post, Friday, July 8, 2016
www.washingtonpost.com
Quote from: me on July 09, 2016, 11:34:14 PM
Here ya go.......
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
And here, again, is the reality of Trump's wall from an engineering perspective. (http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/)
In the link you provided, Trump states,
"It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," ostensibly suggesting that the cost of this wall would be no more than $10 billion. Here (http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb) another engineer estimates the cost of the materials involved based on national average costs:
Going off of materials estimate we have...
167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10' pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000So, that's almost double before labor, machinery, logistical support, etc. are even factored in. Trump's wall is a bullshit pipe dream that will never be built. Anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot and really, really bad at math.
Didn't read the article did ya?
Quote from: me on July 11, 2016, 10:36:36 AM
Didn't read the article did ya?
Yes, I did, stupid. How else would I have quoted it? Did you? Did you bother to read either of the articles which illustrate how infeasible this wall is?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 10:56:08 AM
Yes, I did, stupid. How else would I have quoted it? Did you? Did you bother to read either of the articles which illustrate how infeasible this wall is?
Hey dumb ass why doesn't it make sense if Mexico is going to lose revenue and lots of it? What you put forth is nothing but guess work, costwise, on what he plans to do so therefore not set in stone as an absolute. Hum, seems like old Hill was for the wall at one time when she thought it benifited her. Is she racist for the statements she made to mention another thing that's been said of Trump? I really think you should watch both of these.
https://www.youtube.com/v/kDvEgV8AzP4
https://www.youtube.com/v/Ezaw-g6TIQI
All I can say is, Trump in most of his ventures, comes in UNDER budget and AHEAD of schedule. He is a highly successful businessman, and building things are his area of expertise. If he says he can do it, then I have no reason not to give him the benefit of the doubt....If he doesn't, he will have to answer for it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 01:33:47 PM
All I can say is, Trump in most of his ventures, comes in UNDER budget and AHEAD of schedule.
Please prove this.
QuoteIf he says he can do it, then I have no reason not to give him the benefit of the doubt....If he doesn't, he will have to answer for it.
Then you're as stupid as she is. Trump can't shit rebar and concrete.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 01:36:07 PM
Then you're as stupid as she is. Trump can't shit rebar and concrete.
The whole border isn't going to be all wall.............he has stated, several times that his border strategy will include expanded sensors, drones and other technology, along with growing numbers of Border Patrol officers.....again, just more pandering by the left to say it can't be done.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 02:56:42 PM
The whole border isn't going to be all wall.............he has stated, several times that his border strategy will include expanded sensors, drones and other technology, along with growing numbers of Border Patrol officers.....again, just more pandering by the left to say it can't be done.
He has backed down from a 2,000 mile wall to 1,000 miles but still...logistically it is nearly impossible. But hey...keep drinking the kool-aid!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 03:07:47 PM
He has backed down from a 2,000 mile wall to 1,000 miles but still...logistically it is nearly impossible. But hey...keep drinking the kool-aid!
I'll take this a win....I'm not sure he ever stated he was going to build a wall 2,000 miles.......
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
I'll take this a win....I'm not sure he ever stated he was going to build a wall 2,000 miles.......
You should really do a little research...you're embarrassing yourself.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 04:00:04 PM
You should really do a little research...you're embarrassing yourself.
"It's $8 billion.... And of the 2,000 [miles],
we don't need 2,000, we need 1,000 because we have natural barriers, et cetera, et cetera, and I'm taking it price per square foot and a price per square, you know, per mile, and it's a very simple calculation......"
— Donald Trump, interview with MSNBC, Feb. 9, 2016
Quote from: me on July 11, 2016, 10:36:36 AM
Didn't read the article did ya?
Ex quotes the article and you asked this? Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 11, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
Ex quotes the article and you asked this? Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!
Keep sticking around here and even that will be surpassed. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on July 11, 2016, 08:22:41 PM
Keep sticking around here and even that will be surpassed. ;D
:biggrin:
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 11, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
Ex quotes the article and you asked this? Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!
This is what was in the article I posted the link to I have no clue where Ex got his figures.
Quote
Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall
Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.
Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 11, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
Ex quotes the article and you asked this? Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!
Abbey don't lower yourself to that level........
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 11, 2016, 06:53:03 PM
Ex quotes the article and you asked this? Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!
She still doesn't get it. :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 11, 2016, 04:09:48 PM
"It's $8 billion.... And of the 2,000 [miles], we don't need 2,000, we need 1,000 because we have natural barriers, et cetera, et cetera, and I'm taking it price per square foot and a price per square, you know, per mile, and it's a very simple calculation......"
— Donald Trump, interview with MSNBC, Feb. 9, 2016
From one of the articles I posted:
"Those who seek to create a true barrier do not trust nature to perform the task for them."Now let's explore Trump's $8 billion figure for a 1,000 mile wall, shall we? There is currently 652.6 miles of fencing along the U.S. Mexico border...fencing, not a wall...on which the government has spent $7 billion. Explain to me, please, how a 20 foot tall, 1,000 mile long wall can be built for only $1 billion more?
Like I said, do some research...you're embarrassing yourselves.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 08:20:27 AM
From one of the articles I posted: [/i]"Those who seek to create a true barrier do not trust nature to perform the task for them."[/i]
Now let's explore Trump's $8 billion figure for a 1,000 mile wall, shall we? There is currently 652.6 miles of fencing along the U.S. Mexico border...fencing, not a wall...on which the government has spent $7 billion. Explain to me, please, how a 20 foot tall, 1,000 mile long wall can be built for only $1 billion more?
Like I said, do some research...you're embarrassing yourselves.
Here is the deal, I really don't know if it is 8 billion or a 100 billion. I know Trump says he is going to build a wall (or at least secure the border)....I'm willing to give him a shot to do what he says he will do.
Like he is the first to not do something they promised? really?
The bottom line is, Trump or Hillary.......and Trump is by far (FAR) the much, much, much wiser choice.
If elected, he will have his chance to prove himself. I'm anxious to give him a try.......we had Lawyers try for years now, let's let a businessman try.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 08:37:48 AM
I'm anxious to give him a try.......we had Lawyers try for years now, let's let a businessman try.
What kind of businessman doesn't pay his bills? (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/)
He'll be good for small business? (https://www.facebook.com/GavinNewsom/videos/10154413500788117/?pnref=story)
QuoteCompelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall
Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.
Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
We read that bullshit when you posted the link to it the first time. It's garbage and you're gullible.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 12, 2016, 12:48:16 PM
We read that bullshit when you posted the link to it the first time. It's garbage and you're gullible.
I notice the libs on here always make sure they stick together.......(we).....it is easy to act big on this forum....it is all liberal. You need to get out into the real world....it isn't as liberal as it once was........people are coming out of the wood work right now, who are sick and tired of shit, that is why Trump is gaining strength.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 01:05:08 PM
I notice the libs on here always make sure they stick together.......(we).....it is easy to act big on this forum....it is all liberal.
Intelligent, educated people prefer the company of people like them much in the same way as rednecks do.
QuoteYou need to get out into the real world....it isn't as liberal as it once was...
Out here in the real world, it is becoming more liberal every day. I know you don't want to face facts but the reign of rural, white, christian voters is over and it's never coming back. When you finally realize that your party is dead, go look in the mirror at one of the people that caused its demise and be proud that you finally actually did something positive for your country.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 01:05:08 PM
I notice the libs on here always make sure they stick together.......(we).....it is easy to act big on this forum....it is all liberal. You need to get out into the real world....it isn't as liberal as it once was........people are coming out of the wood work right now, who are sick and tired of shit, that is why Trump is gaining strength.
:rolleyes: Hey HH, out here in the real world, here's what Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had to say about your hero, Donald Trump:
"I can't imagine what this place would be -- I can't imagine what the country would be with Donald Trump as our president," Ginsburg told the New York Times. "For the country it could be four years. For the court, it could be -- I don't even want to contemplate that."
She recalled a joke her late husband, Marty, used to make about unfortunate political outcomes: "Now it's time for us to move to New Zealand."
--
Did Ginsburg cross line with Trump remarks? by Aaron Blake and Robert Barnes, today's Washington Post
www.washingtonpost.com
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 12, 2016, 07:51:23 AM
Abbey don't lower yourself to that level........
HH, I don't get what you mean. How am I lowering myself when Ex quotes the article me posts and then me says "Didn't read the article did ya?"? That's plain stupidity.
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 12, 2016, 10:43:54 PM
HH, I don't get what you mean. How am I lowering myself when Ex quotes the article me posts and then me says "Didn't read the article did ya?"? That's plain stupidity.
Does what he posted even remotely resemble what I posted?
Quote from: me on July 12, 2016, 10:53:00 PM
Does what he posted even remotely resemble what I posted?
I'll say it again. Ex quoted from the article you posted. It's that simple. Geesh, now I know why Ex and Locutus are always doing this: :wall:
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 12, 2016, 11:10:03 PM
I'll say it again. Ex quoted from the article you posted. It's that simple. Geesh, now I know why Ex and Locutus are always doing this: :wall:
Look at what he posted and look at what was in the article I posted and tell me they're the same. Not even close.
Quote from: me on July 12, 2016, 11:11:20 PM
Look at what he posted and look at what was in the article I posted and tell me they're the same. Not even close.
Ex quoted from the article you posted!! :mad: If he quoted from the article, it was the same thing you posted. That's how quoting works. Seriously, can't you understand this? Look what Ex said: (I even underlined and bolded where he states where he got his information from to help you out.)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 07:57:33 AM
And here, again, is the reality of Trump's wall from an engineering perspective. (http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/)
In the link you provided, Trump states, "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," ostensibly suggesting that the cost of this wall would be no more than $10 billion.
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 12, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Ex quoted from the article you posted!! :mad: If he quoted from the article, it was the same thing you posted. That's how quoting works. Seriously, can't you understand this? Look what Ex said: (I even underlined and bolded where he states where he got his information from to help you out.)
Then he went on to explain how so therefore what he, Ex, said made no sense when looking at the whole picture. Does it say anything about the length of the wall or what it's to be made from?
QuoteCompelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall
Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
Do you see anything in my article that states what type of wall or what length it will be? Those are figures taken out of thin air with no basis to go off of. Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 07:57:33 AM
And here, again, is the reality of Trump's wall from an engineering perspective. (http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/)
In the link you provided, Trump states, "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," ostensibly suggesting that the cost of this wall would be no more than $10 billion. Here (http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb) another engineer estimates the cost of the materials involved based on national average costs:
Going off of materials estimate we have...
167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10' pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000
So, that's almost double before labor, machinery, logistical support, etc. are even factored in. Trump's wall is a bullshit pipe dream that will never be built. Anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot and really, really bad at math.
Dear god, can anyone seriously be this fucking stupid?
I read the bullshit from the link you posted to Trump's website and I quoted his words. I then provided a link to a different article that discusses exactly why what Trump suggests as it relates to that wall is not feasible.
If you're too senile to keep up, maybe you should stay out of grown up's conversations. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 13, 2016, 08:04:53 AM
Dear god, can anyone seriously be this fucking stupid?
I read the bullshit from the link you posted to Trump's website and I quoted his words. I then provided a link to a different article that discusses exactly why what Trump suggests as it relates to that wall is not feasible.
If you're too senile to keep up, maybe you should stay out of grown up's conversations. :rolleyes:
You tried to pull it off as though you got your info from the link I posted and failed to post the link to where you got your info, which was not in what I posted, from. Had you posted a link showing where your info came from rather than misrepresenting by quoting info from the link I posted and trying to make like that info was in that article it would have made a difference.
Quote from: me on July 13, 2016, 12:38:43 PM
You tried to pull it off as though you got your info from the link I posted and failed to post the link to where you got your info, which was not in what I posted, from. Had you posted a link showing where your info came from rather than misrepresenting by quoting info from the link I posted and trying to make like that info was in that article it would have made a difference.
I did no such thing, you whack job. Here is my original post which clearly contains 2 links to the information I posted (hint: the words that appear in blue are links):
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 07:57:33 AM
And here, again, is the reality of Trump's wall from an engineering perspective. (http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/)
In the link you provided, Trump states, "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," ostensibly suggesting that the cost of this wall would be no more than $10 billion. Here (http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb) another engineer estimates the cost of the materials involved based on national average costs:
Going off of materials estimate we have...
167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10' pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000
So, that's almost double before labor, machinery, logistical support, etc. are even factored in. Trump's wall is a bullshit pipe dream that will never be built. Anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot and really, really bad at math.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 13, 2016, 01:15:41 PM
I did no such thing, you whack job. Here is my original post which clearly contains 2 links to the information I posted (hint: the words that appear in blue are links):
:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on July 13, 2016, 01:24:48 PM
:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
:biggrin:
I honestly don't think that she knows that blue text indicates a link which means that we've been posting links to information for years that she's never seen. Disturbing but it sure would explain a lot!
"That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works." :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 13, 2016, 02:00:07 PM
I honestly don't think that she knows that blue text indicates a link which means that we've been posting links to information for years that she's never seen. Disturbing but it sure would explain a lot!
"That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works." :biggrin:
I'd like to give her the benefit of that doubt, but I'm not so sure until I hear a confession from her. :yes:
Won't hold my breath though. ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 07:57:33 AM
And here, again, is the reality of Trump's wall from an engineering perspective. (http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/)
In the link you provided, Trump states, "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," ostensibly suggesting that the cost of this wall would be no more than $10 billion. Here (http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb) another engineer estimates the cost of the materials involved based on national average costs:
Going off of materials estimate we have...
167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10' pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000
So, that's almost double before labor, machinery, logistical support, etc. are even factored in. Trump's wall is a bullshit pipe dream that will never be built. Anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot and really, really bad at math.
Quote from: me on July 11, 2016, 10:36:36 AM
Didn't read the article did ya?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 10:56:08 AM
Yes, I did, stupid. How else would I have quoted it? Did you? Did you bother to read either of the articles which illustrate how infeasible this wall is?
Your figures came from the article in the link you posted not the one I posted, you did not quote anything but the link to my article with this link, http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb, included in your reply when the word "here" was clicked on. Absolutely nothing to do with or included in my article.
:dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2:
OMG! Is this an episode from the Twilight Zone? How many of us will it take to point out the same thing to get me to understand? I really can't believe this. :spooked:
Oh Holy Hell! :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 09, 2016, 05:15:36 PM
I'm going with 53 pages by the time the election is decided.
Now at
8 pages. . . :icon_twisted:
Where in this article does it say how many miles of wall or what materials it will be made of? This is what is in my article.
Quote
Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall
Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:
On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.
Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
Here, again, is Ex's reply. Now show me where in my article is the part of the link Ex posted is. That is something Ex added not anything out of the article. Do you see a mention of length or materials to even start to make an estimate in the article I posted?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 11, 2016, 07:57:33 AM
And here, again, is the reality of Trump's wall from an engineering perspective. (http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/)
In the link you provided, Trump states, "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," ostensibly suggesting that the cost of this wall would be no more than $10 billion. Here (http://imgur.com/gallery/KVdSb) another engineer estimates the cost of the materials involved based on national average costs:
Going off of materials estimate we have...
167,272,000 cubic yards of cast-in-place concrete at $93/cubic yard = $15,556,296,000
1,030,000 segments of 10' pre-cast panels at $17/panel = $17,510,000
2,500,000 tons of steel rebar at $600/ton = $1,500,000,000
Total Material Cost Estimate: $17,073,806,000[/i]
So, that's almost double before labor, machinery, logistical support, etc. are even factored in. Trump's wall is a bullshit pipe dream that will never be built. Anyone who believes otherwise is an idiot and really, really bad at math.
:wall:
I wonder if we ignore her if she'll just go away? :rolleyes:
Oh, pardon me I forgot you're so smart you can guess what length wall and what materials will be used so that engineer's guesstimate makes perfect sense to you.
This forum needs an ignore button so we aren't exposed to posts that make us feel stupider just for having read them.
Quote from: libby on July 12, 2016, 03:09:44 PM
:rolleyes: Hey HH, out here in the real world, here's what Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg had to say about your hero, Donald Trump:
"I can't imagine what this place would be -- I can't imagine what the country would be with Donald Trump as our president," Ginsburg told the New York Times. "For the country it could be four years. For the court, it could be -- I don't even want to contemplate that."
She recalled a joke her late husband, Marty, used to make about unfortunate political outcomes: "Now it's time for us to move to New Zealand."
-- Did Ginsburg cross line with Trump remarks? by Aaron Blake and Robert Barnes, today's Washington Post
www.washingtonpost.com
Yeah she did cross the line and now she is back peddling...there is also a code of conduct for United States Judges the FLATLY states that a "judge should not publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for public office".
She needs to go!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 10:32:39 AM
...there is also a code of conduct for United States Judges the FLATLY states that a "judge should not publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for public office".
Doesn't apply to the Supreme Court.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2016, 10:47:34 AM
Doesn't apply to the Supreme Court.
Interesting...i just read that myself. I wonder why? It makes it easy for MORE corruption to me...the is a Code Of Conduct For Federal Judges...but somehow, the SCOTUS has excluded themselves to it. It really doesn't make a lick of sense.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 11:35:24 AM
Interesting...i just read that myself. I wonder why? It makes it easy for MORE corruption to me...the is a Code Of Conduct For Federal Judges...but somehow, the SCOTUS has excluded themselves to it. It really doesn't make a lick of sense.
It makes perfect sense. U.S. judges were created by Congress so Congress can set standards on their conduct. The Supreme Court was created by the Constitution as a check and balance to the executive and legislative branches that would be compromised if either of those branches could assert control over them.
WTHR is reporting that Pence, (aka the anti Christ) , is indeed Rump's pick for the VP slot.🙄
As if I needed another reason not to vote for him. 😡
CNN is reporting that too. Looks like Pence is going to be the pick. :rolleyes:
As to the Ginsburg conversation, I didn't see these sorts of comments from the Repubs when Scalia was chummy with his hunting buddy Dick Cheney.
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2016, 01:14:09 PM
As to the Ginsburg conversation, I didn't see these sorts of comments from the Repubs when Scalia was chummy with his hunting buddy Dick Cheney.
Yes and that was a clear conflict of interest as Cheney had a case before the court at the time. Just another example of conservatives holding others to a set of standards to which they refuse to hold themselves.
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2016, 01:14:09 PM
As to the Ginsburg conversation, I didn't see these sorts of comments from the Repubs when Scalia was chummy with his hunting buddy Dick Cheney.
He wasn't slamming another person running for POTUS. You always got to revert to back then....Let's keep it to now. Wrong is wrong no matter who it is with.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2016, 01:24:59 PM
Yes and that was a clear conflict of interest as Cheney had a case before the court at the time. Just another example of conservatives holding others to a set of standards to which they refuse to hold themselves.
Yep. That actually makes it worse than Ginsberg's opinion.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 01:25:12 PM
He wasn't slamming another person running for POTUS. You always got to revert to back then....Let's keep it to now. Wrong is wrong no matter who it is with.
It's her first amendment right to speak her opinion.
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2016, 01:33:03 PM
Yep. That actually makes it worse than Ginsberg's opinion.
Not according to HH, apparently. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2016, 01:51:18 PM
Not according to HH, apparently. :rolleyes:
It's that old double standard again.
IndyStar is flat out confirming Pence is dropping his reelection bid to become Trump's VP pick.
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2016, 01:33:03 PM
Yep. That actually makes it worse than Ginsberg's opinion.
How is Hunting with someone, worse than publicly insulting someone?
You guys make NO sense whatsoever....you really don't.
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2016, 02:59:21 PM
IndyStar is flat out confirming Pence is dropping his reelection bid to become Trump's VP pick.
I really, really wanted Newt.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
How is Hunting with someone, worse than publicly insulting someone?
You guys make NO sense whatsoever....you really don't.
Because, unlike Trump, Cheney had a case before the court at the time the trip occurred. Can't you see the difference? Please don't tell my you're as obtuse as 'me' is.
BTW, Hank, that isn't the only thing that Republican appointed justices have engaged in that had potential political overtones.
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
Because, unlike Trump, Cheney had a case before the court at the time the trip occurred. Can't you see the difference? Please don't tell my you're as obtuse as 'me' is.
It's contagious! :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 03:09:34 PM
I really, really wanted Newt.
Yes, because having a vice president who destroyed the insitution that was the U.S. Congress (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/13/opinions/how-gingrich-changed-congress-lessig/index.html) before ultimately resigning in disgrace over ethics violations makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2016, 03:37:16 PM
Yes, because having a vice president who destroyed the insitution that was the U.S. Congress (http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/13/opinions/how-gingrich-changed-congress-lessig/index.html) before ultimately resigning in disgrace over ethics violations makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes:
Don't even TRY to act like you know all about ethic violations and disgrace....as long as Hillary is in this race, everybody else are boy scouts. Hypocrite
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2016, 03:19:06 PM
Because, unlike Trump, Cheney had a case before the court at the time the trip occurred. Can't you see the difference? Please don't tell my you're as obtuse as 'me' is.
You mean this is like Bill Clinton meeting with Lynch to talk about golf and grand kids? OH! okay.
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2016, 03:20:12 PM
BTW, Hank, that isn't the only thing that Republican appointed justices have engaged in that had potential political overtones.
So your excusing Ginsberg....what she does is okay then, .... right?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 03:47:56 PM
Don't even TRY to act like you know all about ethic violations and disgrace....as long as Hillary is in this race, everybody else are boy scouts. Hypocrite
Of course
you wouldn't understand about ethics. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 03:49:36 PM
You mean this is like Bill Clinton meeting with Lynch to talk about golf and grand kids? OH! okay.
And you conservatives were ok with that?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 14, 2016, 03:50:30 PM
So your excusing Ginsberg....what she does is okay then, .... right?
Abso-fucking-lutely!
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2016, 03:52:10 PM
Abso-fucking-lutely!
That doesn't surprise me at all...
Quote from: Exterminator on July 14, 2016, 03:35:29 PM
It's contagious! :biggrin:
And becomes extra virulent with a heaping helping of Fux News daily. :biggrin:
What do you Indiana folks think of the apparent Pence pick?
Quote from: Locutus on July 14, 2016, 06:36:22 PM
What do you Indiana folks think of the apparent Pence pick?
A Pompous Ass and the Anti Christ! What a ticket. . . :roll eyes:
That asshole is going to spend a BILLION dollars over the next 10 years (Pence) in the state of Indiana, to attract jobs that pay minimum wage or less. . .
WTF will he do as the VP? Him and the Pompous Ass? :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2016, 08:29:05 PM
A Pompous Ass and the Anti Christ! What a ticket. . . :rolleyes:
That asshole is going to spend a BILLION dollars over the next 10 years (Pence) in the state of Indiana, to attract jobs that pay minimum wage or less. . .
WTF will he do as the VP? Him and the Pompous Ass? :mad:
We are all friends here PH, no need to sugar coat it!! ;D
I liked Pence as a Congressman, not as much as him being a Governor. I think overall he is a good man, but I ( this may shock you ) am not a fan of those who wear their religion on their shirt sleeve.....I think he does this more than I care for.
Even though I understand his intent of the RFRA, but in my opinion, we did not need that bill and it backfired on him....We have much bigger fish to fry. I think he was trying to appease a group that should not have been appeasing.
I am not sure he would be re-elected as Gov or not.
He is also not my pick as VP. I think Newt is by far the most qualified. Pence has some strong conservative values that may attract some of those who felt Trump wasn't conservative enough.
We will see.
Under Pence, we've grown tech jobs at triple the national average. Indianapolis is now one of the best places in the nation for tech grads; No. 5 for women in tech and a top 10 city for creating tech jobs. This is evidenced by the recent decision of Salesforce, the world's fastest-growing top 10 software company, to commit to expanding its regional headquarters in Indiana, investing more than $40 million into our economy and creating 800 new, high-wage jobs. (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/indiana-is-becoming-a-tech-jobs-mecca.html)
And he about blew it all with that stupid, pandering RFRA. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 15, 2016, 11:19:44 AM
And he about blew it all with that stupid, pandering RFRA. :rolleyes:
Yep!
Quote from: Locutus on July 15, 2016, 11:19:44 AM
And he about blew it all with that stupid, pandering RFRA. :rolleyes:
I agree....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2016, 09:45:55 AM
Under Pence, we've grown tech jobs at triple the national average. Indianapolis is now one of the best places in the nation for tech grads; No. 5 for women in tech and a top 10 city for creating tech jobs. This is evidenced by the recent decision of Salesforce, the world's fastest-growing top 10 software company, to commit to expanding its regional headquarters in Indiana, investing more than $40 million into our economy and creating 800 new, high-wage jobs. (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/indiana-is-becoming-a-tech-jobs-mecca.html)
And we BOTH know how that shite works. . . Those companies get huge tax breaks to "move or expand" in Indiana and when they do expand they end up laying off entire divisions (IE; Roche Diagnostics, Carrier, etc.) and moving those jobs to other countries; sending tens of thousands (cumulatively) to the unemployment lines and "new" jobs paying less than half of what their former jobs paid. (And don't get me started on the healthcare shenanigans) .
And those "software" companies are 5-10 year failures waiting to happen. . . Unless they are progressive and remain on the cutting edge. (Which VERY few do).
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 15, 2016, 09:45:55 AM
Under Pence, we've grown tech jobs at triple the national average. Indianapolis is now one of the best places in the nation for tech grads; No. 5 for women in tech and a top 10 city for creating tech jobs. This is evidenced by the recent decision of Salesforce, the world's fastest-growing top 10 software company, to commit to expanding its regional headquarters in Indiana, investing more than $40 million into our economy and creating 800 new, high-wage jobs. (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/indiana-is-becoming-a-tech-jobs-mecca.html)
Hey Bunky Bird, can you prove there are high paying jobs. :confused: :confused: How much do they pay, prove the high pay. :yes: I'll bet you can't. :no: :haha: :chick: If they were really high paying jobs, you would be looking for one of them. :sneaky: :wink:
I've got to admit...given all of the noise and rhetoric out there, these guys sound pretty sensible.
https://www.youtube.com/v/LGD8gJt7weU
Quote from: Exterminator on July 21, 2016, 11:26:21 AM
I've got to admit...given all of the noise and rhetoric out there, these guys sound pretty sensible.
https://www.youtube.com/v/LGD8gJt7weU
And...crickets... :rolleyes:
I would take that ticket in a heart beat over Hillary Clinton.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 21, 2016, 11:26:21 AM
I've got to admit...given all of the noise and rhetoric out there, these guys sound pretty sensible.
They certainly do. I didn't get a chance to watch that yesterday, but I would vote for them too if I didn't feel such a dire need to stop Trump.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2016, 08:28:15 AM
I would take that ticket in a heart beat over Hillary Clinton.
But you wouldn't take them over Trump which makes you a racist idiot.
(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13690820_1232029956818867_7817837867191728235_n.jpg?oh=53c119af2b24ad1d8c5ef02b5473006c&oe=5823CCF2)
Quote from: Exterminator on July 22, 2016, 09:43:49 AM
But you wouldn't take them over Trump which makes you a racist idiot.
Nope! it doesn't mean that at all.......not even close. That is just how you libs think, and I'm sure you can't help yourself...but seriously....maybe you should make an appt. with your doc.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2016, 09:48:32 AM
Nope! it doesn't mean that at all.......not even close. That is just how you libs think, and I'm sure you can't help yourself...
If you support a racist, you are a racist. Pretty simple, really.
Quotebut seriously....maybe you should make an appt. with your doc.
At least he'd get paid! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 22, 2016, 01:23:42 PM
If you support a racist, you are a racist. Pretty simple, really.
At least he'd get paid! :biggrin:
You really need to get off that racist BS. Black people support Trump as do Mexicans and others of different heritage so what does that make them? If there is nothing to something a conservative says they pull out that code word crap and that's ridiculous. Just because someone brings up the obvious about another race it does not make them a racist. There are murderers, rapist, and other criminal types coming across the border and that's just fact and not a racist thing to say what nationality or heritage they are when mentioning that.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2016, 02:39:52 PM
You really need to get off that racist BS. Black people support Trump as do Mexicans and others of different heritage so what does that make them? If there is nothing to something a conservative says they pull out that code word crap and that's ridiculous. Just because someone brings up the obvious about another race it does not make them a racist. There are murderers, rapist, and other criminal types coming across the border and that's just fact and not a racist thing to say what nationality or heritage they are when mentioning that.
Of course another racist isn't going to understand what qualifies Trump as racist. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 22, 2016, 02:55:31 PM
Of course another racist isn't going to understand what qualifies Trump as racist. :rolleyes:
You can also be called a racist because you keep bringing up the fact that Obama is different.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2016, 03:14:17 PM
You can also be called a racist because you keep bringing up the fact that Obama is different.
Acknowledging that someone is different isn't racism, stupid.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 22, 2016, 03:31:17 PM
Acknowledging that someone is different isn't racism, stupid.
It is when you keep pointing out that he's black dumb ass. In doing that you're saying he's black therefore you have to be disagreeing with him because he is black and no other reason, or, you have to like everything about him because he's black. Now if you gave a valid reason not to like his ideas or policies other than having to point out that he's black as a reason that may be different. It's obvious he's black so there is no real valid reason to bring it up. That's just like people not liking Hillary and not wanting to vote for her are being told they're just against women.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2016, 05:31:40 PM
It is when you keep pointing out that he's black dumb ass. In doing that you're saying he's black therefore you have to be disagreeing with him because he is black and no other reason, or, you have to like everything about him because he's black. Now if you gave a valid reason not to like his ideas or policies other than having to point out that he's black as a reason that may be different. It's obvious he's black so there is no real valid reason to bring it up. That's just like people not liking Hillary and not wanting to vote for her are being told they're just against women.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Hey, if the shoe fits. It's not necessary to keep pointing out he's black with your rebutals, if you had any other rebutals at any rate other than that.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 22, 2016, 06:47:31 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 22, 2016, 07:12:23 PM
Hey, if the shoe fits. It's not necessary to keep pointing out he's black with your rebutals, if you had any other rebutals at any rate other than that.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/13697029_889272557883719_8105156856920524534_n_zpsvhulecku.jpg)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 22, 2016, 11:36:12 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/13697029_889272557883719_8105156856920524534_n_zpsvhulecku.jpg)
You trying to compare a Millionaire to Billionaires. :confused: You're bat :bat: shit crazy Clarabell. :gorgeous: :dizzy2: :chair: :groan:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 23, 2016, 08:58:01 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
That's the latest nugget from the FB feed or the inbox. ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on July 22, 2016, 03:31:17 PM
Acknowledging that someone is different isn't racism, stupid.
Disagreeing with them isn't either dumb ass.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2016, 11:36:12 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/13697029_889272557883719_8105156856920524534_n_zpsvhulecku.jpg)
:doh: The blond Boobie's shoes cost more that her dress, Clarabell. :groan:
Were you there when she bought them?
Quote from: me on July 23, 2016, 11:34:11 PM
Were you there when she bought them?
Were you there when the counterpart to your meme made/bought the dress? :roll eyes:
Hater. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 24, 2016, 12:30:39 PM
Were you there when the counterpart to your meme made/bought the dress? :roll eyes:
Hater. . .
Hey, ya'll made fun of Palin forever with crap like this so get a grip and learn to recieve what you give.
Quote from: me on July 22, 2016, 05:31:40 PM
It is when you keep pointing out that he's black dumb ass. In doing that you're saying he's black therefore you have to be disagreeing with him because he is black and no other reason, or, you have to like everything about him because he's black. Now if you gave a valid reason not to like his ideas or policies other than having to point out that he's black as a reason that may be different. It's obvious he's black so there is no real valid reason to bring it up. That's just like people not liking Hillary and not wanting to vote for her are being told they're just against women.
You're an idiot. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
You're an idiot. :rolleyes:
A prime example of immaturity.
Quote from: me on July 24, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
A prime example of immaturity.
It's the truth though. :big grin:
Quote from: me on July 24, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
A prime example of immaturity.
You're not only mature; you're rancid.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 24, 2016, 05:09:48 PM
You're not only mature; you're rancid.
:spooked:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on July 24, 2016, 06:33:36 PM
:spooked:
:biggrin:
I figure Ex for a mental age of around, say, 10 yrs old with those replies he makes.
LOL. Thanks, y'all, for sending me off to bed laughing. :laugh:
Where is Granny when ya need her...... :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/v/iF9cbaA-wik&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: me on July 24, 2016, 07:05:10 PM
I figure Ex for a mental age of around, say, 10 yrs old with those replies he makes.
At least I'm a 10 year-old who can correctly conjugate the simplest verbs in the English language. :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2016, 07:31:32 AM
At least I'm a 10 year-old who can correctly conjugate the simplest verbs in the English language. :razz:
Have to bring things down to your level.
Quote from: me on July 25, 2016, 08:17:02 AM
Have to bring things down to your level.
Or maybe you're just illiterate? Ockham's razor...
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
Or maybe you're just illiterate? Ockham's razor...
:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 25, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
Or maybe you're just illiterate? Ockham's razor...
:haha: I'll echo what Libby said, (even though I'm not yet off to bed at 8 pm!)
Quote from: libby on July 25, 2016, 12:15:38 AM
LOL. Thanks, y'all, for sending me off to bed laughing. :laugh:
Quote from: me on July 25, 2016, 08:17:02 AM
Have to bring things down to your level.
Girl, you keep trying to reach his level you're going to get a nose-bleed. Got a hankie? :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 25, 2016, 08:32:44 PM
Girl, you keep trying to reach his level you're going to get a nose-bleed. Got a hankie? :biggrin:
;D
Quote from: Palehorse on July 25, 2016, 08:32:44 PM
Girl, you keep trying to reach his level you're going to get a nose-bleed. Got a hankie? :biggrin:
So you're gonna do the insult thing too now huh? Won't get into a pissin' match with you 'cause anyone can put down and name call but it takes person with character to discuss things without doing that which Ex and some others don't seem to have.
Quote from: me on July 26, 2016, 12:52:04 AM
Won't get into a pissin' match with you 'cause anyone can put down and name call but it takes person with character to discuss things without doing that which Ex and some others don't seem to have.
Get off of your high horse dumb ass. You ignore factual evidence and have no critical thinking skills (you've actually argued against them) so discussing anything with you is pointless. A person might just as well talk to a lamp post.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 26, 2016, 09:34:33 AM
Get off of your high horse dumb ass. You ignore factual evidence and have no critical thinking skills (you've actually argued against them) so discussing anything with you is pointless. A person might just as well talk to a lamp post.
Agreed!
She's one of the few people I know who you could put a piece of white paper in front of and have them claim it was black.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 26, 2016, 09:34:33 AM
Get off of your high horse dumb ass. You ignore factual evidence and have no critical thinking skills (you've actually argued against them) so discussing anything with you is pointless. A person might just as well talk to a lamp post.
When you present theory, global warming, as fact, yes, I will ignore it. When you try to tell me how and what to think, yes, I will ignore you. When you use bully, name calling and put downs, tactics to try to get your point across, yes, I will ignore you because that makes it look like you have no valid argument against what I have put forth so you just resort to name calling.
Is there a fly in here?
Quote from: Exterminator on July 26, 2016, 12:18:22 PM
Is there a fly in here?
No, but I did find this guy: :pigfly:
That's exactly what will happen the first time she says something sensible around here. :wacko:
;D
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 12:24:27 PM
No, but I did find this guy: :pigfly:
That's exactly what will happen the first time she says something sensible around here. :wacko:
;D
When will "ME" say something sensible? Well :wink: when pigs fly. :pigfly: :pigfly: :pigfly: :zoners: and let their flag fly high. :bsflag:
Did you watch any of the convention last night Troll?
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 01:16:36 PM
Did you watch any of the convention last night Troll?
Yep and it seemed so more adult and intelligent than the Republican convention. But of course all things and political party have their crazies and nuts, the Berni supporters truly lack common sense. :doh: :papple: :stirthepot:
One young woman said she just couldn't vote for Hillary because she didn't trust her. :eek: She said she would probably vote Green Party. :sarcasm: :dam: :dam: Isn't that what happened when some Democrats vote for Ralph Nader/Green Party and we got George W. Bush for president. :knife: :kick: :groan:
Yeah, anyone who couldn't see that absolute stark difference in tone and message between the two conventions was blind and deaf. There couldn't be a bigger contrast.
Hillary Clinton just became the official nominee of the Democratic Party. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 06:39:58 PM
Hillary Clinton just became the official nominee of the Democratic Party. ;D
I do have a question. If Bernie won the majority of the votes in a lot of states how did she end up with the majority of the super delegates in those states?
Quote from: me on July 26, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
I do have a question. If Bernie won the majority of the votes in a lot of states how did she end up with the majority of the super delegates in those states?
Who said Bernie won the majority in a lot of states?
I watched the entire thing and from what I saw and heard, most of the states that gave him the majority of votes didn't have a lot of votes. Things moved pretty quickly so it was impossible to keep an accurate count (I didn't try).
Again, I watched the entire thing, as state by state, they announced how their votes were allotted. Almost if not all states split their votes, and as far as I could tell there was not a final tally, maybe because Vermont passed their turn and waited until they were last, and there was Bernie sitting there with others from his state, and then -- it was emotional -- and he said he wanted to concede and declare Hillary Clinton the winner. He was absolutely gracious. The coverage ended soon after that and I turned off the TV. Will check in later.
Quote from: me on July 26, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
I do have a question. If Bernie won the majority of the votes in a lot of states how did she end up with the majority of the super delegates in those states?
Super delegates are unbound and vote for whomever they choose at the convention.
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 04:16:12 PM
Yeah, anyone who couldn't see that absolute stark difference in tone and message between the two conventions was blind and deaf. There couldn't be a bigger contrast.
Positive, upbeat, loved Michelle Obama's speech. That woman has class.
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 26, 2016, 09:13:51 PM
Positive, upbeat, loved Michelle Obama's speech. That woman has class.
...in the face of some of the worst vitriol I've ever seen cast in the direction of the first family.
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 09:15:33 PM
...in the face of some of the worst vitriol I've ever seen cast in the direction of the first family.
Her words: "How we insist that the hateful language they hear from public figures on TV does not represent the true spirit of this country.
How we explain that when someone is cruel or acts like a bully, you don't stoop to their level. No, our motto is, when they go low, we go high."
In case you missed her speech, here it is: http://time.com/4421538/democratic-convention-michelle-obama-transcript/
I would suggest everyone watch that, especially if you didn't see it live.
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 09:13:34 PM
Super delegates are unbound and vote for whomever they choose at the convention.
Which is exactly why there should be no super delegates.
Quote from: me on July 26, 2016, 09:26:17 PM
Which is exactly why there should be no super delegates.
Had you been paying attention, this subject matter has been covered before. The Republicans have the same sort of mechanism in place. Perhaps your buddy Hank, who eventually saw the light, can explain it to you.
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 09:31:02 PM
Had you been paying attention, this subject matter has been covered before. The Republicans have the same sort of mechanism in place. Perhaps your buddy Hank, who eventually saw the light, can explain it to you.
The more things get screwed up the more attention I pay. Now I'm paying more attention but still have all my other things going on and only catch parts of things and either go back later and check them out of get otherwise occupied and forget. Wish I had started paying attention when I was younger and could absorbe more and retain it. Now I have so much crap going on in the grey matter it's like filing cabinets that are overloaded and I can't find anything....lol Now ask me the lyrics to a song from 40 yrs ago and I've got no problem...
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 09:13:34 PM
Super delegates are unbound and vote for whomever they choose at the convention.
Yes sir, they are part of the good old boy club and they vote for who they choose. :rant: We need to change this and get the people we the people want for office. :yes: :salute: :flag:
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 09:15:33 PM
...in the face of some of the worst vitriol I've ever seen cast in the direction of the first family.
Quote from: Locutus on July 26, 2016, 09:15:33 PM
...in the face of some of the worst vitriol I've ever seen cast in the direction of the first family.
Well at least since 2004
Quote from: The Troll on July 26, 2016, 11:12:18 PM
Yes sir, they are part of the good old boy club and they vote for who they choose. :rant: We need to change this and get the people we the people want for office. :yes: :salute: :flag:
another rarity but I agree with you Troll.....(that was hhhard tttto ssssay)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 27, 2016, 07:30:04 AM
another rarity but I agree with you Troll.....(that was hhhard tttto ssssay)
It's kind of rare that we have to at least, thank goodness.
Quote from: me on July 26, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
I do have a question. If Bernie won the majority of the votes in a lot of states how did she end up with the majority of the super delegates in those states?
Not your party; not your business.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 27, 2016, 08:41:17 AM
Not your party; not your business.
If she didn't get it the first time we batted that ball around, she won't get it now. :no:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 27, 2016, 07:30:04 AM
another rarity but I agree with you Troll.....(that was hhhard tttto ssssay)
:spooked: ;D
Guess old Hillary's claim to be the first woman to run for POTUS is a false claim. The link below is proof to back this up.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/13627121_301277300225161_1525845108770736782_n_zpsoidlhdnx.jpg)
http://www.victoriacwoodhull.org/biography/
Quote from: me on July 27, 2016, 04:40:22 PM
Guess old Hillary's claim to be the first woman to run for POTUS is a false claim. The link below is proof to back this up.
Hillary never claimed to be the first woman to run for POTUS, stupid; she is the first woman to win the nomination
from a major party. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 28, 2016, 08:44:52 AM
Hillary never claimed to be the first woman to run for POTUS, stupid; she is the first woman to win the nomination from a major party. :rolleyes:
Never heard the word major used when I heard it.
Quote from: me on July 28, 2016, 11:14:34 AM
Never heard the word major used when I heard it.
Then you haven't been paying attention. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 28, 2016, 11:18:17 AM
Then you haven't been paying attention. :rolleyes:
Or it hasn't been said that way when I've been listening. Or it was brought to their attention that people knew about the first one. Just like there were no flags present until people started commenting on it.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 28, 2016, 11:18:17 AM
Then you haven't been paying attention. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on July 28, 2016, 11:29:11 AM
Or it hasn't been said that way when I've been listening. Or it was brought to their attention that people knew about the first one. Just like there were no flags present until people started commenting on it.
JEEZUS 'EFFING CHRIST!! It's been said
EVERY time I've heard it mentioned. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 28, 2016, 11:36:26 AM
JEEZUS 'EFFING CHRIST!! It's been said EVERY time I've heard it mentioned. :rolleyes:
Indeed. Validation of the cherry picking theory is it not?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 28, 2016, 07:23:41 PM
Indeed. Validation of the cherry picking theory is it not?
It's also prevalent in my FB feed. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 28, 2016, 07:37:33 PM
It's also prevalent in my FB feed. :rolleyes:
Hasn't been on my feed except for that plaque. The flag thing has taken up a lot of space on my feed though and I noticed that my darn self.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 27, 2016, 07:30:04 AM
Quote from: The Troll on July 26, 2016, 11:12:18 PM
Yes sir, they are part of the good old boy club and they vote for who they choose. :rant: We need to change this and get the people we the people want for office. :yes: :salute: :flag:
another rarity but I agree with you Troll.....(that was hhhard tttto ssssay)
Aw c'mon guys, you know America isn't a direct democracy, it's a representative republic.
The founders were scared stiff of a direct democracy and they are proved correct to be.
Moving more towards a direct democracy is exactly what had led to the cracked and corrupt Drumpf actually being nominated to run for president.
Moody's Analytics compares Clinton and Trump economic policies. (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/economy/hillary-clinton-economy-jobs-moodys/index.html)
Quote from: me on July 28, 2016, 07:49:20 PM
The flag thing has taken up a lot of space on my feed though and I noticed that my darn self.
This flag thing? (http://www.snopes.com/flags-banned-at-dnc/) Another of the conservatives' bullshit lies.
Maybe the Lions will be playing the Raiders that night and it won't be a problem. ;D
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/160730100256-donald-trump-tweet-debates-780x439.jpg)
Quote from: Locutus on July 30, 2016, 06:52:49 PM
Maybe the Lions will be playing the Raiders that night and it won't be a problem. ;D
Oh, brother, what an idiot. No, wait, of course he's right! Only Hillary and the Dems can decide when the debates are! There isn't a nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates or anything like that. :rolleyes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on July 30, 2016, 06:59:40 PM
Oh, brother, what an idiot. No, wait, of course he's right! Only Hillary and the Dems can decide when the debates are! There isn't a nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates or anything like that. :rolleyes:
We'll see. All she has to do is say those are the only times available for her to do them.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 29, 2016, 09:54:51 AM
This flag thing? (http://www.snopes.com/flags-banned-at-dnc/) Another of the conservatives' bullshit lies.
I didn't say I believed it I just said it was taking up a lot of space on my feed. You will have to admit they became a whole lot more visible after it was mentioned there weren't any.
Quote from: Locutus on July 30, 2016, 06:52:49 PM
Maybe the Lions will be playing the Raiders that night and it won't be a problem. ;D
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/160730100256-donald-trump-tweet-debates-780x439.jpg)
He tweeted that the NFL sent him a letter saying the debate scheduling is ridiculous. The NFL says, "uh, no we didn't." :biggrin:
How anyone could vote for him is amazing.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 31, 2016, 01:18:12 PM
He tweeted that the NFL sent him a letter saying the debate scheduling is ridiculous. The NFL says, "uh, no we didn't." :biggrin:
Remember, Hillary is the liar, not Trump. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on July 31, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
How anyone could vote for him is amazing.
I think it is insanity. And just another reason why I think fluoride in the water is responsible for it! :spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on July 31, 2016, 01:24:17 PM
How anyone could vote for him is amazing.
:yes: Unbelievable!
I don't understand how anyone could vote for Hillary. :razz:
Quote from: me on July 31, 2016, 10:48:41 PM
I don't understand how anyone could vote for Hillary. :razz:
And I don't believe someone could be so god damn stupid to vote for Trump. :rant:
Quote from: me on July 31, 2016, 10:48:41 PM
I don't understand how anyone could vote for Hillary. :razz:
:rolleyes: If you're still awake, suggest you try to find the repeat of this morning's Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. Today he had a one on one with Hillary Clinton for the first half hour, and then a discussion about it with some regulars. It has been repeated about 4 times today, and, according to my TV guide, it will be on again here at 11 PM, DST, Fox News Channel.
Quote from: libby on July 31, 2016, 11:13:40 PM
:rolleyes: If you're still awake, suggest you try to find the repeat of this morning's Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. Today he had a one on one with Hillary Clinton for the first half hour, and then a discussion about it with some regulars. It has been repeated about 4 times today, and, according to my TV guide, it will be on again here at 11 PM, DST, Fox News Channel.
I watched it at 11:00 and it didn't change my mind in the least.
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 12:15:55 AM
I watched it at 11:00 and it didn't change my mind in the least.
Because you can't fix stupid. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on August 01, 2016, 07:46:12 AM
Because you can't fix stupid. :rolleyes:
Now I wouldn't call Hillary stupid, calculating, corrupt, and a liar, yes, but not stupid.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/c7/b7/83/c7b783886f6ebc1d31b184af5071c0eb.jpg)
Quote from: me on July 31, 2016, 10:48:41 PM
I don't understand how anyone could vote for Hillary. :razz:
You're delusional.
The difference twixt Trump and Clinton couldn't be more stark. So are the differences in the consequences of electing them.
Quote from: Exterminator on July 29, 2016, 09:39:53 AM
Moody's Analytics compares Clinton and Trump economic policies. (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/29/news/economy/hillary-clinton-economy-jobs-moodys/index.html)
I'm sure she'll claim it's because she likes Trump's "policies".
Quote from: Locutus on August 01, 2016, 11:25:32 AM
You're delusional.
The difference twixt Trump and Clinton couldn't be more stark. So are the differences in the consequences of electing them.
Thing is Trump is just the lesser of two evils at this point. Did you see where another witness who was set to testify against Hillary turned up dead?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 01, 2016, 12:42:21 PM
I'm sure she'll claim it's because she likes Trump's "policies".
I read that article over the weekend.
I'll read it later but I'm sure it's BS. Gettin' ready to head out the door to get some things done.
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
Thing is Trump is just the lesser of two evils at this point.
The one who gets pissed and irate over tweets?
The one who seeks revenge against his enemies?
The one that assured us Putin wouldn't go into Ukraine even though he already did?
The one that cuts women down?
The one that wants to ban Muslims?
You're delusional if that's what you think.
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
Did you see where another witness who was set to testify against Hillary turned up dead?
No. Who?
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 01:58:33 PM
I'll read it later but I'm sure it's BS. Gettin' ready to head out the door to get some things done.
Yeah, Moody's is in the business of pumping out bullshit. :rolleyes:
See what we're talking about Hank?
Quote from: Locutus on August 01, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
Yeah, Moody's is in the business of pumping out bullshit. :rolleyes:
See what we're talking about Hank?
Hey, you see it your way and I'll see it mine. Doesn't make either of us stupid just different.
<---------------
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 02:06:47 PM
Hey, you see it your way and I'll see it mine. Doesn't make either of us stupid just different.
<---------------
Actually, you're wrong about that. It does make one of us stupid.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. :rolleyes:
< tip of the hat to Daniel Patrick Moynihan>
Quote from: Locutus on August 01, 2016, 02:10:51 PM
Actually, you're wrong about that. It does make one of us stupid.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. :rolleyes:
< tip of the hat to Daniel Patrick Moynihan>
Exactly. :rolleyes:
Another one bites the dust. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/sally-bradshaw-jeb-bush-donald-trump-florida/index.html)
Quote from: Exterminator on August 01, 2016, 03:10:36 PM
Another one bites the dust. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/sally-bradshaw-jeb-bush-donald-trump-florida/index.html)
Like I'd believe anything CNN reports..... :rolleyes:
WOW! Glen Beck said on his radio show today the he thought Putin wanted Trump to win. Because he, Putin thought Trump would bring America down and do great damage to it. :yes: Yes this is what Glen Beck said. :yes: :eek:
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 03:47:00 PM
Like I'd believe anything CNN reports..... :rolleyes:
^^
And that there is an absolute
prime example of exactly what I'm talking about on the other thread. :rolleyes:
That lady absolutely is leaving the Republican party for the reasons she stated in that article, yet you cast is aside, all while wondering why we think so little of your intellect.
When this is your typical response to absolutely everything, how can you expect to be called stupid, when that term so very clearly applies.
Quote from: The Troll on August 01, 2016, 03:51:35 PM
WOW! Glen Beck said on his radio show today the he thought Putin wanted Trump to win. Because he, Putin thought Trump would bring America down and do great damage to it. :yes: Yes this is what Glen Beck said. :yes: :eek:
Maybe 'me' will believe Glenn Beck as a credible news source. </sarcasm>
Quote from: Exterminator on August 01, 2016, 03:10:36 PM
Another one bites the dust. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/sally-bradshaw-jeb-bush-donald-trump-florida/index.html)
Here is Trump's tweet and I see nothing insulting to that family in it, in fact, he states that he was a hero. Nothing wrong with the rest of the text unless you too fail to see there are radical islamic terrorists.
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Captain Khan, killed 12 years ago, was a hero, but this is about RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR and the weakness of our "leaders" to eradicate it!
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 04:11:13 PM
Here is Trump's tweet and I see nothing insulting to that family in it, in fact, he states that he was a hero. Nothing wrong with the rest of the text unless you too fail to see there are radical islamic terrorists.
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Captain Khan, killed 12 years ago, was a hero, but this is about RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR and the weakness of our "leaders" to eradicate it!
He only said that after his previous comments blew up in his face. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 01, 2016, 03:57:29 PM
Maybe 'me' will believe Glenn Beck as a credible news source. </sarcasm>
People also leave the democratic party every day for various reasons so why is this a big deal?
Quote from: Locutus on August 01, 2016, 04:12:22 PM
He only said that after his previous comments blew up in his face. :rolleyes:
Whatever. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 04:13:42 PM
Whatever. :rolleyes:
Again, you wonder why we call you stupid. It's even been reported on your news of choice - Fux. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 01, 2016, 04:18:32 PM
Again, you wonder why we call you stupid. It's even been reported on your news of choice - Fux. :rolleyes:
They have been leaning awfully left as of late for some reason but still seem quite fair about it.
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 04:24:39 PM
They have been leaning awfully left as of late for some reason but still seem quite fair about it.
When you have a candidate like Trump, who sticks his foot in his loud and obnoxious mouth almost daily, there's only so much they can do to protect him all while protecting what's really important to them - their revenue stream.
Quote from: Locutus on August 01, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
When you have a candidate like Trump, who sticks his foot in his loud and obnoxious mouth almost daily, there's only so much they can do to protect him all while protecting what's really important to them - their revenue stream.
Their revenue stream seems to be fairly equal as of late. O'Reilley just calls it as he sees it and plays no favorites actually in spite of how the left wants to portray him.
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 04:34:36 PM
Their revenue stream seems to be fairly equal as of late. O'Reilley just calls it as he sees it and plays no favorites actually in spite of how the left wants to portray him.
Yeah, like how those slaves that were building the White House were being well fed and had comfortable lodging. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 01, 2016, 04:37:55 PM
Yeah, like how those slaves that were building the White House were being well fed and had comfortable lodging. :rolleyes:
Everything I've read on it says that's true but O'Reilley did say last night some of the slave masters were paid and not the slaves themselves. Of course being well fed and having comfortable lodging may have been better than what they had with their slave masters.
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 04:40:15 PM
Everything I've read on it says that's true but O'Reilley did say last night some of the slave masters were paid and not the slaves themselves. Of course being well fed and having comfortable lodging may have been better than what they had with their slave masters.
:doh: You want to be a slave and your own life wasn't yours to control. Give me a break, Sweet Cheeks. :kiss:
Quote from: Locutus on August 01, 2016, 04:18:32 PM
Again, you wonder why we call you stupid. It's even been reported on your news of choice - Fux. :rolleyes:
"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." -- John F. Kennedy
Quote from: me on August 01, 2016, 04:24:39 PM
They have been leaning awfully left as of late for some reason but still seem quite fair about it.
Reality leans left.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 02, 2016, 08:26:39 AM
Reality leans left.
Have another glass of kool-aid. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on August 02, 2016, 10:01:36 AM
Have another glass of kool-aid. :rolleyes:
Irony alert!
Quote from: Locutus on August 02, 2016, 01:26:21 PM
So do educated people.
Ya know, I'm sick to death of hearing that educated people thrown up constantly. Hubby's BIL is a retired head college math professor, his sister is a retired high school English teacher, I have a neice who is former professor and department chair at University of Utah and former associate vice president at University of Utah, and, although like me they don't really care for trump, they would take him over Hillary any day.
Quote from: me on August 02, 2016, 09:22:28 PM
Ya know, I'm sick to death of hearing that educated people thrown up constantly. Hubby's BIL is a retired head college math professor, his sister is a retired high school English teacher, I have a neice who is former professor and department chair at University of Utah and former associate vice president at University of Utah, and, although like me they don't really care for trump, they would take him over Hillary any day.
Then they're not as educated as you think they are. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on August 02, 2016, 09:25:31 PM
Then they're not as educated as you think they are. :wink:
Whatever. I think you'd better clairify what you mean by educated then because you seem to be making it an in general thing and there are historians, scientists, and very highly educated people who are conservatives.
Quote from: Locutus on August 02, 2016, 09:25:31 PM
Then they're not as educated as you think they are. :wink:
That is if you even believe her. Did you know I am both a brain surgeon and a rocket scientist?
;D
The electoral map is looking good in its early stages:
http://electoral-vote.com
;D
Quote from: Locutus on August 05, 2016, 12:59:03 PM
The electoral map is looking good in its early stages:
http://electoral-vote.com
;D
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
Quote from: Exterminator on August 05, 2016, 01:37:29 PM
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
Yep! I have that link bookmarked as well. ;D
Maybe Hank will stop by with the Rasmussen updates.
I'm just going to leave this right here: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/a-neuroscientist-explains-what-may-be-wrong-with-trump-supporters-brains/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/a-neuroscientist-explains-what-may-be-wrong-with-trump-supporters-brains/)
"Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, "The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment." Essentially, they're not smart enough to realize they're dumb."
Sound familiar? :biggrin:
Oh yeah! ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on August 05, 2016, 01:37:29 PM
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now
Cool site. Thanks for posting it.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 05, 2016, 03:47:22 PM
I'm just going to leave this right here: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/a-neuroscientist-explains-what-may-be-wrong-with-trump-supporters-brains/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/a-neuroscientist-explains-what-may-be-wrong-with-trump-supporters-brains/)
"Studies have shown that people who lack expertise in some area of knowledge often have a cognitive bias that prevents them from realizing that they lack expertise. As psychologist David Dunning puts it in an op-ed for Politico, "The knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task — and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at the task. This includes political judgment." Essentially, they're not smart enough to realize they're dumb."
Sound familiar? :biggrin:
So that's what's wrong with some of my friends! ;D
From today's N.Y Times: I first heard this on Morning Joe. Today. No matter whether or not Trump's followers ever hear about this or even understand it if they do, well, this is HUGE:
I Ran the C.I.A. Now I'm Endorsing Hillary Clinton.
By MICHAEL J. MORELL AUG. 5, 2016
During a 33-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, I served presidents of both parties — three Republicans and three Democrats. I was at President George W. Bush's side when we were attacked on Sept. 11; as deputy director of the agency, I was with President Obama when we killed Osama bin Laden in 2011.
I am neither a registered Democrat nor a registered Republican. In my 40 years of voting, I have pulled the lever for candidates of both parties. As a government official, I have always been silent about my preference for president.
No longer. On Nov. 8, I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Between now and then, I will do everything I can to ensure that she is elected as our 45th president.
Two strongly held beliefs have brought me to this decision. First, Mrs. Clinton is highly qualified to be commander in chief. I trust she will deliver on the most important duty of a president — keeping our nation safe. Second, Donald J. Trump is not only unqualified for the job, but he may well pose a threat to our national security.
I spent four years working with Mrs. Clinton when she was secretary of state, most often in the White House Situation Room. In these critically important meetings, I found her to be prepared, detail-oriented, thoughtful, inquisitive and willing to change her mind if presented with a compelling argument.
I also saw the secretary's commitment to our nation's security; her belief that America is an exceptional nation that must lead in the world for the country to remain secure and prosperous; her understanding that diplomacy can be effective only if the country is perceived as willing and able to use force if necessary; and, most important, her capacity to make the most difficult decision of all — whether to put young American women and men in harm's way.
Mrs. Clinton was an early advocate of the raid that brought Bin Laden to justice, in opposition to some of her most important colleagues on the National Security Council. During the early debates about how we should respond to the Syrian civil war, she was a strong proponent of a more aggressive approach, one that might have prevented the Islamic State from gaining a foothold in Syria.
I never saw her bring politics into the Situation Room. In fact, I saw the opposite. When some wanted to delay the Bin Laden raid by one day because the White House Correspondents Dinner might be disrupted, she said, "Screw the White House Correspondents Dinner."
In sharp contrast to Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump has no experience on national security. Even more important, the character traits he has exhibited during the primary season suggest he would be a poor, even dangerous, commander in chief.
These traits include his obvious need for self-aggrandizement, his overreaction to perceived slights, his tendency to make decisions based on intuition, his refusal to change his views based on new information, his routine carelessness with the facts, his unwillingness to listen to others and his lack of respect for the rule of law.
The dangers that flow from Mr. Trump's character are not just risks that would emerge if he became president. It is already damaging our national security.
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was a career intelligence officer, trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump's vulnerabilities by complimenting him. He responded just as Mr. Putin had calculated.
Mr. Putin is a great leader, Mr. Trump says, ignoring that he has killed and jailed journalists and political opponents, has invaded two of his neighbors and is driving his economy to ruin. Mr. Trump has also taken policy positions consistent with Russian, not American, interests — endorsing Russian espionage against the United States, supporting Russia's annexation of Crimea and giving a green light to a possible Russian invasion of the Baltic States.
In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.
www.nytimes.com
Quote from: AbbyTC on August 05, 2016, 06:38:09 PM
So that's what's wrong with some of my friends! ;D
Like the old saying, people rise to the level of their incompetence.
Quote from: Anne on August 06, 2016, 10:20:58 PM
Like the old saying, people rise to the level of their incompetence.
Well Anne, I'm saying,"That the Republican Party is like a septic tank in reverse. :smitten: The shit and garbage rises to the top so it can fuck up the entire political system and American way of life. :trustme: :tiphat: :salute: :flag:
"Karma is a bitch...in a pantsuit." (https://goplifer.com/2016/08/20/clinton-karma/)
Quote from: libby on August 05, 2016, 09:49:00 PM
From today's N.Y Times: I first heard this on Morning Joe. Today. No matter whether or not Trump's followers ever hear about this or even understand it if they do, well, this is HUGE:
I Ran the C.I.A. Now I'm Endorsing Hillary Clinton.
By MICHAEL J. MORELL AUG. 5, 2016
During a 33-year career at the Central Intelligence Agency, I served presidents of both parties — three Republicans and three Democrats. I was at President George W. Bush's side when we were attacked on Sept. 11; as deputy director of the agency, I was with President Obama when we killed Osama bin Laden in 2011.
I am neither a registered Democrat nor a registered Republican. In my 40 years of voting, I have pulled the lever for candidates of both parties. As a government official, I have always been silent about my preference for president.
No longer. On Nov. 8, I will vote for Hillary Clinton. Between now and then, I will do everything I can to ensure that she is elected as our 45th president.
Two strongly held beliefs have brought me to this decision. First, Mrs. Clinton is highly qualified to be commander in chief. I trust she will deliver on the most important duty of a president — keeping our nation safe. Second, Donald J. Trump is not only unqualified for the job, but he may well pose a threat to our national security.
I spent four years working with Mrs. Clinton when she was secretary of state, most often in the White House Situation Room. In these critically important meetings, I found her to be prepared, detail-oriented, thoughtful, inquisitive and willing to change her mind if presented with a compelling argument.
I also saw the secretary's commitment to our nation's security; her belief that America is an exceptional nation that must lead in the world for the country to remain secure and prosperous; her understanding that diplomacy can be effective only if the country is perceived as willing and able to use force if necessary; and, most important, her capacity to make the most difficult decision of all — whether to put young American women and men in harm's way.
Mrs. Clinton was an early advocate of the raid that brought Bin Laden to justice, in opposition to some of her most important colleagues on the National Security Council. During the early debates about how we should respond to the Syrian civil war, she was a strong proponent of a more aggressive approach, one that might have prevented the Islamic State from gaining a foothold in Syria.
I never saw her bring politics into the Situation Room. In fact, I saw the opposite. When some wanted to delay the Bin Laden raid by one day because the White House Correspondents Dinner might be disrupted, she said, "Screw the White House Correspondents Dinner."
In sharp contrast to Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Trump has no experience on national security. Even more important, the character traits he has exhibited during the primary season suggest he would be a poor, even dangerous, commander in chief.
These traits include his obvious need for self-aggrandizement, his overreaction to perceived slights, his tendency to make decisions based on intuition, his refusal to change his views based on new information, his routine carelessness with the facts, his unwillingness to listen to others and his lack of respect for the rule of law.
The dangers that flow from Mr. Trump's character are not just risks that would emerge if he became president. It is already damaging our national security.
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was a career intelligence officer, trained to identify vulnerabilities in an individual and to exploit them. That is exactly what he did early in the primaries. Mr. Putin played upon Mr. Trump's vulnerabilities by complimenting him. He responded just as Mr. Putin had calculated.
Mr. Putin is a great leader, Mr. Trump says, ignoring that he has killed and jailed journalists and political opponents, has invaded two of his neighbors and is driving his economy to ruin. Mr. Trump has also taken policy positions consistent with Russian, not American, interests — endorsing Russian espionage against the United States, supporting Russia's annexation of Crimea and giving a green light to a possible Russian invasion of the Baltic States.
In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation.
www.nytimes.com
Guess he doesn't want to meet with a sudden unexplained death.
Quote from: me on August 22, 2016, 02:52:16 PM
Guess he doesn't want to meet with a sudden unexplained death.
I suppose that's a joke too, right?
Quote from: Exterminator on August 22, 2016, 03:09:37 PM
I suppose that's a joke too, right?
You'll never really know for sure will ya? Take it however you want it matters not to me.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 09, 2016, 05:15:36 PM
I'm going with 53 pages by the time the election is decided.
And near the end of August we are at. . . 21.
Oh good! Another asshat from Kentucky. :mad:
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When conservative Christians gathered in Washington, DC, this past weekend for the annual Values Voter Summit, prominent Republicans, including Donald Trump and Mike Pence, delivered a series of tirades against transgender and abortion rights and pledged to defend Christian values from a Hillary Clinton presidency. But it was a speech by Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, in which he stated that bloodshed might be necessary if Clinton is elected, that emerged as perhaps the most shocking address from the weekend event.
"Whose blood will be shed?" Bevin said. "It may be that of those in this room. It might be that of our children and grandchildren. I have nine children. It breaks my heart to think that it might be their blood that is needed to redeem something, to reclaim something, that we through our apathy and our indifference have given away."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/matt-bevin-hillary-clinton-blood-shed-value-voters
Quote from: Locutus on September 13, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
Oh good! Another asshat from Kentucky. :mad:
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When conservative Christians gathered in Washington, DC, this past weekend for the annual Values Voter Summit, prominent Republicans, including Donald Trump and Mike Pence, delivered a series of tirades against transgender and abortion rights and pledged to defend Christian values from a Hillary Clinton presidency. But it was a speech by Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, in which he stated that bloodshed might be necessary if Clinton is elected, that emerged as perhaps the most shocking address from the weekend event.
"Whose blood will be shed?" Bevin said. "It may be that of those in this room. It might be that of our children and grandchildren. I have nine children. It breaks my heart to think that it might be their blood that is needed to redeem something, to reclaim something, that we through our apathy and our indifference have given away."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/matt-bevin-hillary-clinton-blood-shed-value-voters
I can't stand Bevin. He is an idiot and I wouldn't have voted for him if he was running for dog catcher
Quote from: Locutus on September 13, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
Oh good! Another asshat from Kentucky. :mad:
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. . .
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :walkdog: "Weeeeeee"
Here is an interesting graphic on past presidential elections. It compares standings in mid-September with the actual election results some 50 days later.
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/usatoday/editorial/graphics/2016/09/091616-final-stretch-online_NEW.jpg)
Interesting.
It is an interesting chart. I wonder how many people realize just 4 percentage points can make a difference of 112 electoral votes.
Quote from: me on August 22, 2016, 05:41:40 PM
You'll never really know for sure will ya? Take it however you want it matters not to me.
We all know you have a Rhino hide for skin and black lump of coal for a heart. :smitten: :kiss:
It's debate time!! :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 26, 2016, 08:41:10 PM
It's debate time!! :biggrin:
Did you watch it? :biggrin: I did. Every single minute. Just turned off the TV.
Yes, I too watched the whole thing.
Quote from: Locutus on September 27, 2016, 08:21:42 AM
Yes, I too watched the whole thing.
Was it just me or were there times when Trump spoke and couldn't seem to quite put together a coherent sentence? I notice that most of the Trumpies on Facebook are conspicuously silent this morning.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 27, 2016, 08:58:43 AM
I notice that most of the Trumpies on Facebook are conspicuously silent this morning.
Lucky you.
Mine are all over the place claiming victory and that Lester Holt was biased. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on September 27, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
Mine are all over the place claiming victory and that Lester Holt was biased. :rolleyes:
I've seen claims of bias but reality is biased. How could anyone who watched that think that Trump performed well?
One poll claims Trump has won and another poll claims Hillary has won.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 27, 2016, 09:16:40 AM
I've seen claims of bias but reality is biased. How could anyone who watched that think that Trump performed well?
I don't know how anyone can claim that, but I've often wondered how two people can watch the exact same thing and come to such differing conclusions as to what transpired.
Trump to me acted like a sophomoric bully when he kept saying "Wrong!" all the time and interrupting Clinton as she spoke. Clinton elucidated several policy measures while Trump didn't expound on any.
I should have altered my drinking game last night to drink whenever Trump said, "It's a beautiful thing." I would have been passed out by the time it was over.
Quote from: Locutus on September 27, 2016, 10:13:42 AM
I should have altered my drinking game last night to drink whenever Trump said, "It's a beautiful thing." I would have been passed out by the time it was over.
I should have altered mine to only drink when he made sense and I wouldn't have been hung over this morning. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 27, 2016, 12:39:37 PM
I should have altered mine to only drink when he made sense and I wouldn't have been hung over this morning. :biggrin:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 27, 2016, 10:13:42 AM
I don't know how anyone can claim that, but I've often wondered how two people can watch the exact same thing and come to such differing conclusions as to what transpired.
Trump to me acted like a sophomoric bully when he kept saying "Wrong!" all the time and interrupting Clinton as she spoke. Clinton elucidated several policy measures while Trump didn't expound on any.
I should have altered my drinking game last night to drink whenever Trump said, "It's a beautiful thing." I would have been passed out by the time it was over.
I had friends saying she didn't say anything about her policies and they claimed, too, that Trump won. Said by two different friends: "Why is it when Hillary talks she doesn't ever say anything?" and "Trump does tell many facts & she speaks BS." I guess they never heard of Factcheck.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 27, 2016, 12:39:37 PM
I should have altered mine to only drink when he made sense and I wouldn't have been hung over this morning. :biggrin:
;D I was thinking about doing a drinking game, but figured I'd be plastered after the first 15 minutes. Not good to do on a work night! :laugh:
How about a light hearted look at the debate? https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/09/27/last-nights-debate-or-the-mansplaining-olympics/?utm_term=.b2d91e88efec
Quote from: Exterminator on September 27, 2016, 08:58:43 AM
Was it just me or were there times when Trump spoke and couldn't seem to quite put together a coherent sentence? I notice that most of the Trumpies on Facebook are conspicuously silent this morning.
Quote from: Locutus on September 27, 2016, 10:13:42 AMI've often wondered how two people can watch the exact same thing and come to such differing conclusions as to what transpired.
Trump to me acted like a sophomoric bully when he kept saying "Wrong!" all the time and interrupting Clinton as she spoke. Clinton elucidated several policy measures while Trump didn't expound on any.
I should have altered my drinking game last night to drink whenever Trump said, "It's a beautiful thing." I would have been passed out by the time it was over.
I don't know how anyone who watched and listened to what both said could have any doubt that Clinton won. Trump early on seemed uneasy and short of breath -- for a while after they began you could hear him breathing, quick short breaths, and he kept drinking water. A lot of water. As for what he had to say, he was on the defensive most of the time because Hillary let loose and wowed 'em; she seemed to be enjoying herself. She is a professional and it showed.
Quote from: AbbyTC on September 27, 2016, 07:30:30 PM
How about a light hearted look at the debate? https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/09/27/last-nights-debate-or-the-mansplaining-olympics/?utm_term=.b2d91e88efec
:biggrin:
From today's Morning Joe (MSNBC):
A clip of Dr. Howard Dean wondering if Donald Trump's sniffles were due to cocaine use. :o
Quote from: libby on September 28, 2016, 11:29:34 AM
From today's Morning Joe (MSNBC):
A clip of Dr. Howard Dean wondering if Donald Trump's sniffles were due to cocaine use. :o
Although I doubt that's the case, I can't say that Trump isn't deserving of some of that crap coming in his direction after he, and his loud mouth surrogate Sean Hannity, called into question Hillary Clinton's health with no basis in fact.
Now the looney tunes are passing this around. These people are truly delusional. :rolleyes:
(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14479583_749978681806696_2152133010411738212_n.png?oh=472aaf68a6664d23643e165f36c8943c&oe=585FA196)
...and if you asked any of them to back that up with facts, they wouldn't be able to do it. That's what I don't understand about the mindset of these Trump voters. :rolleyes:
Quote from: libby on September 28, 2016, 11:29:34 AM
From today's Morning Joe (MSNBC):
A clip of Dr. Howard Dean wondering if Donald Trump's sniffles were due to cocaine use. :o
Howard Dean is a loony tune.
Quote from: me on September 28, 2016, 01:26:12 PM
Howard Dean is a loony tune.
So is Sean Hannity but I bet you'd believe what he has to say. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on September 28, 2016, 01:26:57 PM
So is Sean Hannity but I bet you'd believe what he has to say. :rolleyes:
Before I'd believe Howard Dean. He's as smarmy as Kerry..... :puke:
Quote from: me on September 28, 2016, 01:26:12 PM
Howard Dean is a loony tune.
Things Trump has suggested via Twitter are a lot more outrageous than what Dean said. Are you calling Trump a looney tune as well?
Quote from: Exterminator on September 28, 2016, 02:26:03 PM
Things Trump has suggested via Twitter are a lot more outrageous than what Dean said. Are you calling Trump a looney tune as well?
She may not, but I'll be glad to. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on September 28, 2016, 11:37:57 AM
Although I doubt that's the case, I can't say that Trump isn't deserving of some of that crap coming in his direction after he, and his loud mouth surrogate Sean Hannity, called into question Hillary Clinton's health with no basis in fact.
You don't think she has some health concerns?
Quote from: libby on September 28, 2016, 04:31:25 PM
Based on what?
I thought he was pretty much smarmy and a few bricks off when he was campagning and nothing has changed my mind.
Quote from: me on September 28, 2016, 01:26:12 PM
Howard Dean is a loony tune.
Quote from: libby on September 28, 2016, 04:31:25 PM
Based on what?
Quote from: me on September 28, 2016, 07:32:53 PM
I thought he was pretty much smarmy and a few bricks off when he was campagning and nothing has changed my mind.
In other words, you object to him because he's a democrat. Did you not know he is a doctor? He earned his medical degree from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. And he knows a thing or two about politics: he graduated from Yale University in 1971 with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. And that's just for starters.
Quote from: libby on September 28, 2016, 09:51:17 PM
In other words, you object to him because he's a democrat. Did you not know he is a doctor? He earned his medical degree from the Albert Einstein College of Medicine. And he knows a thing or two about politics: he graduated from Yale University in 1971 with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. And that's just for starters.
Doesn't give him common sense 'cause ya can't teach that. A medical degree also doesn't make him a smart doctor. There are lots of doctors out there who should have never gotten their degree or license to practice. I don't have to like him just because you do. I don't expect you to dislike him because I don't. You are entitled to your opinion as am I but ya'll seem to forget that.
Quote from: me on September 28, 2016, 10:15:01 PM
Doesn't give him common sense 'cause ya can't teach that.
The mantra of illiterates everywhere!
Now the Trumpanzees are saying that the debate they claimed Trump won yesterday was rigged and that Hillary was using hand signals. WTF? :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 28, 2016, 10:58:07 PM
Now the Trumpanzees are saying that the debate they claimed Trump won yesterday was rigged and that Hillary was using hand signals. WTF? :biggrin:
One of my FB friends posted the video from youtube about that. Youtube took it down because of a copyright claim. I can't believe they are so desperate to claim it was rigged and she used hand signals. :rolleyes:
Aw poor babies, can't take it when it's directed at you and yours but you sure expect others to put up with what you and yours dish out.
Quote from: me on September 29, 2016, 12:12:15 AM
Aw poor babies, can't take it when it's directed at you and yours but you sure expect others to put up with what you and yours dish out.
Are you posting drunk again? Which is it, stupid, did Trump win the debate or was it rigged? :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on September 29, 2016, 12:12:15 AM
Aw poor babies, can't take it when it's directed at you and yours but you sure expect others to put up with what you and yours dish out.
Amazing that both sides are claiming victory. Personally, I thought all it became was who could bash who better.
Quote from: me on September 28, 2016, 10:15:01 PM
Doesn't give him common sense 'cause ya can't teach that. A medical degree also doesn't make him a smart doctor. There are lots of doctors out there who should have never gotten their degree or license to practice. I don't have to like him just because you do. I don't expect you to dislike him because I don't. You are entitled to your opinion as am I but ya'll seem to forget that.
A medical doctor has to be pretty smart to get through the classes and medical residency. Actually, a veterinarian has more classes than a medical doctor. Fact remains, he has to be pretty smart to be a doctor.
Quote from: Anne on September 28, 2016, 06:38:41 PM
You don't think she has some health concerns?
I don't. I think she had a case of pneumonia and if she happens to carry an Epipen, I don't see what the big deal is on that. Lots of people do. I am not saying she does but if she does. Trump has a high BMI so his health may not be great either.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 29, 2016, 09:49:57 AM
Amazing that both sides are claiming victory. Personally, I thought all it became was who could bash who better.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtXxhxeWIAAefPB.jpg)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 29, 2016, 10:06:22 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtXxhxeWIAAefPB.jpg)
Other polls are claiming Hillary won.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 29, 2016, 10:07:07 AM
Other polls are claiming Hillary won.
When CNBC (Clinton Network Broadcasting Corp.) says she's behind that's not good, for her anyway.
Quote from: me on September 29, 2016, 10:52:46 AM
When CNBC (Clinton Network Broadcasting Corp.) says she's behind that's not good, for her anyway.
NBC is claiming she won. Sorry, I don't believe in any of these polls because most if not all are rigged so I don't think either candidate is a winner. Like I said, it was basically a bash of who could bash who the best.
Quote from: Anne on September 28, 2016, 06:38:41 PM
You don't think she has some health concerns?
What makes
you think she does, outside of what Sean Hannity and other nutjobs are telling you to think? :rolleyes:
Those polls illustrate nothing except whose supporters were willing to waste their time voting in them. By simply clearing your browser's history and cookies, you can vote over and over and over again. I didn't vote in any of them because I have a life.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 29, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
I didn't vote in any of them because I have a life.
That very statement made me laugh out loud.... ;D
But yet you waste countless hours on here arguing to no avail.... ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 29, 2016, 01:45:02 PM
That very statement made me laugh out loud.... ;D
But yet you waste countless hours on here arguing to no avail.... ;D
Judging from our respective number of posts on here, I spend about half as much time here as you do. :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 28, 2016, 10:58:07 PM
Now the Trumpanzees are saying that the debate they claimed Trump won yesterday was rigged and that Hillary was using hand signals. WTF? :biggrin:
Anybody who believes that did not watch the so-called debate.
Quote from: Locutus on September 29, 2016, 11:39:20 AM
What makes you think she does, outside of what Sean Hannity and other nutjobs are telling you to think? :rolleyes:
Two different episodes of blood clots, concussion, at least three times being dehydrated enough to pass out or need help walking, and the pneumonia. I'm not saying she is danger of dying, but all these things together plus her age should not be ignored. She does have health issues.
Quote from: Anne on September 29, 2016, 07:31:11 PM
Two different episodes of blood clots, concussion, at least three times being dehydrated enough to pass out or need help walking, and the pneumonia. I'm not saying she is danger of dying, but all these things together plus her age should not be ignored. She does have health issues.
:rolleyes:
I thought you were better than the rest.
Quote from: Locutus on September 29, 2016, 07:36:32 PM
:rolleyes:
I thought you were better than the rest.
The concussion and the blood clots are excuses she is using for her loss of memory about the emails and not remembering her clearance briefing meetings. She got the concussion which resulted in the blood clots on her brain when she fell and was unable to make some of the hearings. Remember that?
Quote from: Locutus on September 29, 2016, 07:36:32 PM
:rolleyes:
I thought you were better than the rest.
Are you saying she is in perfect health? Geeze, she is 69, takes warfarin because she had blood clots, not a death sentence, but not healthy either. Pneumonia is serious and the older you are the more serious it is. Just like all politicians she plays like it's all lollipops and roses.
Quote from: Anne on September 29, 2016, 07:31:11 PM
Two different episodes of blood clots, concussion, at least three times being dehydrated enough to pass out or need help walking, and the pneumonia. I'm not saying she is danger of dying, but all these things together plus her age should not be ignored. She does have health issues.
Sweetie Anne :kiss: Being an old bittie as you are, by chance, do you have any health problems? I know by your other posts, you have mental problems. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 29, 2016, 07:36:32 PM
I thought you were better than the rest.
Then you haven't been paying attention.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 30, 2016, 07:45:08 AM
Then you haven't been paying attention.
I guess not. :roll eyes:
Quote from: Anne on September 29, 2016, 07:56:50 PM
Are you saying she is in perfect health? Geeze, she is 69, takes warfarin because she had blood clots, not a death sentence, but not healthy either. Pneumonia is serious and the older you are the more serious it is. Just like all politicians she plays like it's all lollipops and roses.
I understand what you're saying, but, considering her schedule, what she was doing as SECRETARY OF STATE, and now against Donald Trump, I would say she is in remarkably good shape. And as for her age, it all depends. Some people are OLD at age 69, while others look and act and feel decades younger. People can retire now at age 65 and draw social security and do as they please, but, as my boss, a medical doctor back in Bluefield, WV once said to me, "Libby, if people retire and sit and rock, they'll die."
Anyone watch the VP debate last night and care to share your thoughts?
Quote from: Locutus on October 05, 2016, 09:38:51 AM
Anyone watch the VP debate last night and care to share your thoughts?
I did. It was a waste of time.
I watched it. I think the moderator lost control several times. Nothing new, same old talking points with Mr. Kaine interrupting Mr. Pence. Mr. Kaine reminded me of Frasier with his facial expressions and gestures.
Quote from: Anne on October 05, 2016, 10:11:40 AM
I watched it. I think the moderator lost control several times. Nothing new, same old talking points with Mr. Kaine interrupting Mr. Pence. Mr. Kaine reminded me of Frasier with his facial expressions and gestures.
Well there was plenty of interrupting going the other way too. Pence interrupted Kaine a few times as well, but I agree that Kaine was the worst of the two in doing it. It was very distracting and detracted from the debate in my opinion.
I think they proved who had class and who didn't.
The main thing in these VP debates is really "do no harm" regarding your running mate (the presidential candidate). In that regard, I think they both won.
Quote from: libby on September 30, 2016, 11:59:56 AM
I understand what you're saying, but, considering her schedule, what she was doing as SECRETARY OF STATE, and now against Donald Trump, I would say she is in remarkably good shape. And as for her age, it all depends. Some people are OLD at age 69, while others look and act and feel decades younger. People can retire now at age 65 and draw social security and do as they please, but, as my boss, a medical doctor back in Bluefield, WV once said to me, "Libby, if people retire and sit and rock, they'll die."
Your boss was right, need to keep the mind sharp and the joints moving. 😊 My whole point in all of this has been that Mrs. Clinton does have health concerns and to say she doesn't is either delusional or a lie. Should it disqualify her from running for president, no, but as with all candidates it is something to consider.
Another subject, you can draw social security when you are 62, full retirement is around 67, I think.
Have a great day. I've enjoyed our discussion.
This is awesome! (http://yalerecord.org/2016/09/20/you-dumb-motherfuckers-by-james-madison/) :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 05, 2016, 11:07:28 AM
This is awesome! (http://yalerecord.org/2016/09/20/you-dumb-motherfuckers-by-james-madison/) :biggrin:
Yes, it is. I am not a fan of the variations of the f*** word, especially by people with limited vocabularies, but considering the :icon_evil: circumstances, in this case I might even consider passing it on to some people I know who think Donald Trump is the better choice for POTUS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 05, 2016, 10:20:28 AM
I think they proved who had class and who didn't.
Well, depends on how you define "class." Kaine is a truly decent man who probably listened too much to those who may have coached him. Hillary obviously chose him because she knows she can trust him.
Quote from: Anne on October 05, 2016, 10:33:33 AM
Your boss was right, need to keep the mind sharp and the joints moving. 😊 My whole point in all of this has been that Mrs. Clinton does have health concerns and to say she doesn't is either delusional or a lie. Should it disqualify her from running for president, no, but as with all candidates it is something to consider.
Another subject, you can draw social security when you are 62, full retirement is around 67, I think.
Have a great day. I've enjoyed our discussion.
:smile: Me, too.
Quote from: Locutus on June 09, 2016, 03:02:02 PM
Obama has officially endorsed Clinton saying, "I don't think there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office."
He speaks the truth. :yes:
That's not what he said when running against her....... :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 05, 2016, 11:07:28 AM
This is awesome! (http://yalerecord.org/2016/09/20/you-dumb-motherfuckers-by-james-madison/) :biggrin:
Don't worry I'm not stupid enough to vote for Hillary..... :razz:
Quote from: libby on October 05, 2016, 11:50:46 AM
Well, depends on how you define "class." Kaine is a truly decent man who probably listened too much to those who may have coached him. Hillary obviously chose him because she knows she can trust him.
Kaine was always one of the democrats I liked. He was more of a moderate and had a sense of humor, seemed like a good guy.........but since he has been nominated, he isn't the same character as he once was.......and especially after the debate, he came off like a creep. He was robotic with his "catch lines" and was hell bent on saying them.
If it was even possible, but I despise the Clinton ticket even MORE than I did before the debate.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 06, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
If it was even possible, but I despise the Clinton ticket even MORE than I did before the debate.
Good. It'll hurt even more when they win then. :yes:
Quote from: libby on October 05, 2016, 11:42:26 AM
Yes, it is. I am not a fan of the variations of the f*** word, especially by people with limited vocabularies, but considering the :icon_evil: circumstances, in this case I might even consider passing it on to some people I know who think Donald Trump is the better choice for POTUS.
Just for the record, Ex, I was not referring to you or the writer of that gem when I wrote "especially by people with limited vocabularies" -- I was thinking specifically of a young male relative who ... well, I won't go there. Could write a book.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 06, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
Kaine was always one of the democrats I liked. He was more of a moderate and had a sense of humor, seemed like a good guy.........but since he has been nominated, he isn't the same character as he once was.......and especially after the debate, he came off like a creep. He was robotic with his "catch lines" and was hell bent on saying them.
If it was even possible, but I despise the Clinton ticket even MORE than I did before the debate.
HH, I repeat,
Quote from: libby on October 05, 2016, 11:50:46 AM
Well, depends on how you define "class." Kaine is a truly decent man who probably listened too much to those who may have coached him. Hillary obviously chose him because she knows she can trust him.
Keeping that in mind, perhaps Kaine's nervousness was because of the level of crooks he is now and will be dealing with. If Hillary wins, he'll learn. I speak from experience. :biggrin: :sneaky:
Quote from: Anne on September 29, 2016, 07:56:50 PM
Are you saying she is in perfect health? Geeze, she is 69, takes warfarin because she had blood clots, not a death sentence, but not healthy either. Pneumonia is serious and the older you are the more serious it is. Just like all politicians she plays like it's all lollipops and roses.
Please point out where anyone said 'she is in perfect health'?
Matter of fact, I'd like you to point out anyone in 'perfect health'.
As far as her age and her schedule/work load, it's obvious she's in good enough health to run for, and hold, the office of President - regardless of your intimations.
BTW, it's been obvious for years that you're one of those women who are against a woman holding the office of President. Why it is there are women like you with that prejudice is difficult to fathom.
Quote from: me on September 28, 2016, 10:15:01 PM
Doesn't give him common sense 'cause ya can't teach that. A medical degree also doesn't make him a smart doctor. There are lots of doctors out there who should have never gotten their degree or license to practice. I don't have to like him just because you do. I don't expect you to dislike him because I don't. You are entitled to your opinion as am I but ya'll seem to forget that.
Whoops!
Weren't you and your RW buds the folks who were supporting Dr. Ben Carson and giving people like me the business because I pointed out that he ascribed to the 'Young Earth' stupidity?
Just a lil' bit hypocritical, don'tcha' think? :biggrin:
Once again, any 'opinion' not based on facts, evidence, and logic is mere bull flop and hence only exists as evidence of the holder's ignorance and stupidity.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 06, 2016, 07:15:09 AM
Kaine was always one of the democrats I liked. He was more of a moderate and had a sense of humor, seemed like a good guy.........but since he has been nominated, he isn't the same character as he once was.......and especially after the debate, he came off like a creep. He was robotic with his "catch lines" and was hell bent on saying them.
If it was even possible, but I despise the Clinton ticket even MORE than I did before the debate.
Translation: He held Pence's and Drumpf's feet to the fire and made them both look unfit, incompetent, and stupid so "We hates him, precious! Yes we do! Hates him!" :biggrin:
Quote from: Anne on October 05, 2016, 10:11:40 AM
I watched it. I think the moderator lost control several times. Nothing new, same old talking points with Mr. Kaine interrupting Mr. Pence. Mr. Kaine reminded me of Frasier with his facial expressions and gestures.
I've yet to see a moderator worth his/her salt.
The 'talking points' were actually far more in evidence with Pence rather than Kaine.
They both interrupted each frequently, but I agree with Kaine that it was supposed to be a discussion rather than 'talking points', and that's also why the moderators haven't done their jobs as far as I'm concerned.
These debates turn out to be air time ops - live candidate commercials - rather than true debate/discussion...
...but, that appears to be all you disgruntled white folks want out of 'debates' - and your 'candidate'.
Anything else is too deep for your comprehension.
Quote from: Y on October 06, 2016, 06:40:54 PM
Please point out where anyone said 'she is in perfect health'?
Matter of fact, I'd like you to point out anyone in 'perfect health'.
As far as her age and her schedule/work load, it's obvious she's in good enough health to run for, and hold, the office of President - regardless of your intimations.
BTW, it's been obvious for years that you're one of those women who are against a woman holding the office of President. Why it is there are women like you with that prejudice is difficult to fathom.
Oh, but you are so wrong, I would love to see a strong upstanding woman become President. Mrs. Clinton isn't that person, imo.
Quote from: Anne on October 06, 2016, 10:48:23 PM
Oh, but you are so wrong, I would love to see a strong upstanding woman become President. Mrs. Clinton isn't that person, imo.
Well, I think you are wrong. Hillary has iron panties and an iron petticoat. She has more "BALLS" than little hands Trump. :yes: :biggrin: Anne you are not fit to even polish her shoes. :rant:
Quote from: Anne on October 06, 2016, 10:48:23 PM
Oh, but you are so wrong, I would love to see a strong upstanding woman become President. Mrs. Clinton isn't that person, imo.
Please name a woman who is better qualified. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 07, 2016, 08:30:38 AM
Please name a woman who is better qualified. :rolleyes:
These three come to mind, all governors. Nikkei Haley, Maggie Hassan or Suzanna Martinis.
Quote from: Anne on October 08, 2016, 11:06:34 AM
These three come to mind, all governors. Nikkei Haley, Maggie Hassan or Suzanna Martinis.
:haha: :haha: :haha: Hey Anne, would you let the Donald grab your *****. Would you let him kiss you without Tic Tac's. Oh my god is this funny, you women want to have your pussies grabbed the the star Donald Trump. :haha: :haha: :rotfl: :rotfl: Let me catch my breath, :haha: :haha: I sure wouldn't let him around little girls alone. :rant:
Hard to understand how a multi-billionaire would be in any way, shape, or form, capable of understanding the problems of the quickly disappearing middle-class and the poor of this nation.
Hard to understand how this same multi-billionaire is going to be able to get anything accomplished should he be elected; given that he is being shunned by the leadership and rank and file of his own party, weeks before the election.
Maybe they'll appoint Alan West if they do dump him. Now he could make mincemeat out of old Hill.
Quote from: me on October 09, 2016, 01:26:10 AM
Maybe they'll appoint Alan West if they do dump him. Now he could make mincemeat out of old Hill.
You got to be shitting us. :hick: Why don't you just jump up and kiss it. :kissit:
Quote from: Anne on October 08, 2016, 11:06:34 AM
These three come to mind, all governors. Nikkei Haley, Maggie Hassan or Suzanna Martinis.
How long have you been doing meth?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2016, 02:13:10 PM
How long have you been doing meth?
You got that right Ex, she got to be on something. :wink: Maybe to many Tic Tacs. :busted:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 09, 2016, 02:13:10 PM
How long have you been doing meth?
You asked a question and I answered it. And you come back with a stupid juvenile response. I think you need to rest your brains.
With just about 4 weeks to go it would appear I was way off surrounding my prediction of how many pages this topic would generat by Election Day. Unless you folks get a bad case of blabber mouth it appears I am wrong.
Quote from: Anne on October 11, 2016, 08:46:08 PM
You asked a question and I answered it. And you come back with a stupid juvenile response. I think you need to rest your brains.
Seems to be his way of saying, "I've got nothing so I'll just insert a personal attch here".
Ironic that CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN are all blaming the Russians for trying to influence the election when they in fact are the ones trying desperately to do so.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2016, 09:35:44 AM
Ironic that CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN are all blaming the Russians for trying to influence the election when they in fact are the ones trying desperately to do so.
I'll ask you the same question I asked the guy that gives b-jays...do you think the Russians are doing what they're doing because they think Trump will be good for the U.S. and they want what's best for us?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2016, 09:35:44 AM
Ironic that CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN are all blaming the Russians for trying to influence the election when they in fact are the ones trying desperately to do so.
The media is the puppet of the wealthy and this surprises you?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2016, 09:35:44 AM
Ironic that CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN are all blaming the Russians for trying to influence the election when they in fact are the ones trying desperately to do so.
Ho,ho listen to this, Old Shit for Brains :repub: speaks again. You want to bet a $100 that "Grab them by the Pu$$y" in going to win. :haha: Come on Hawkie, break open that old moth bitten coin purse you got and put some money where you pie hole is. :haha: I want some of your money Boy. :haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 12, 2016, 09:35:44 AM
Ironic that CBS, NBC, ABC, and CNN are all blaming the Russians for trying to influence the election when they in fact are the ones trying desperately to do so.
How exactly are they trying to influence the election? I'd like specifics.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. FOX is biased towards conservatives; MSNBC is biased in the liberal direction.
CNN is really the most balanced one out there today.
Quote from: Locutus on October 12, 2016, 02:17:16 PM
CNN is really the most balanced one out there today.
You misspelled NPR. :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2016, 02:19:38 PM
You misspelled NPR. :razz:
That one too. ;D
I love listening to NPR.
I like to listen to the truth and the facts. :yes: For this I sure don't go to Fox News for it. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on October 12, 2016, 05:21:45 PM
That one too. ;D
I love listening to NPR.
It's my commute station! :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 12, 2016, 09:37:46 AM
I'll ask you the same question I asked the guy that gives b-jays...do you think the Russians are doing what they're doing because they think Trump will be good for the U.S. and they want what's best for us?
Here's more evidence.
An ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin says that if Americans vote for Hillary Clinton, "It's war." CNN's Brian Todd reports.
Source: CNN
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/13/putin-ally-us-election-comments-todd-tsr-dnt.cnn
Quote from: Locutus on October 14, 2016, 12:30:40 PM
Here's more evidence.
An ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin says that if Americans vote for Hillary Clinton, "It's war." CNN's Brian Todd reports.
Source: CNN
http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/13/putin-ally-us-election-comments-todd-tsr-dnt.cnn
Gee, Clinton News Network.....imagine that.
Quote from: me on October 14, 2016, 01:02:06 PM
Gee, Clinton News Network.....imagine that.
:rolleyes:
Only 3 more weeks before we get to say, "you lost; get over it!" :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 19, 2016, 08:59:18 AM
Only 3 more weeks before we get to say, "you lost; get over it!" :biggrin:
Or we're possibly saying, "tried to tell ya but you wouldn't listen", which I hope is not the case. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on October 19, 2016, 11:57:33 AM
Or we're possibly saying, "tried to tell ya but you wouldn't listen", which I hope is not the case. :rolleyes:
Clinton scares me because she's a Reagan austerity republican. She can't be impeached nor even CHARGED with a crime. Trump is the lesser of two evils IMHO, and I'm a die hard liberal. Clinton is a neoliberal, which is what George W was.
later....gotta get grandson.
Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 01:27:27 PM
Trump is the lesser of two evils IMHO, .....
:eek:
Holy cow!! I
never thought I would see those words come out of your keyboard.
Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 01:27:27 PM
Clinton scares me because she's a Reagan austerity republican. She can't be impeached nor even CHARGED with a crime. Trump is the lesser of two evils IMHO, and I'm a die hard liberal. Clinton is a neoliberal, which is what George W was.
later....gotta get grandson.
I really hate to say this, parkerdivine (Parker Divine :haha:) I really think you have shit for brains, just like :chick: Henry Hawk. I hope you're praying :pray:
Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 01:27:27 PM
Clinton scares me because she's a Reagan austerity republican. She can't be impeached nor even CHARGED with a crime. Trump is the lesser of two evils IMHO, and I'm a die hard liberal. Clinton is a neoliberal, which is what George W was.
For a die hard liberal, you sure have been drinking the neocon kool-ade. She hasn't been charged with a crime because there is no real evidence she's done anything illegal.
Political discourse on the Zone:
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:biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 19, 2016, 02:18:24 PM
For a die hard liberal, you sure have been drinking the neocon kool-ade. She hasn't been charged with a crime because there is no real evidence she's done anything illegal.
There's plenty of evidence.
She erased 30,000 mails as Secretary of State from her Secretary of State program. She REMOVED her programs AS Secretary of State FROM the government servers to her PERSONAL server. She used her Foundation money to funnel into one of her PACs to "donate" to state Democratic parties who had problems with their voting, in addition to violating Campaign Finance Laws. Bill violated voting laws in MA by going INSIDE the polling area.
The list goes on. The crimes are there. They just were not prosecuted. And look at the FBI Director and his sleezy part in this.
No, I'll take a crude, rude baffoon I can impeach over a sleeze bucket bought and paid for by the Rothschilds, Israel, and the Sunni ISIS nations in the Middle East who will NEVER be impeached due to her large corruption connection.
Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 03:16:03 PM
There's plenty of evidence.
She erased 30,000 mails as Secretary of State from her Secretary of State program. She REMOVED her programs AS Secretary of State FROM the government servers to her PERSONAL server. She used her Foundation money to funnel into one of her PACs to "donate" to state Democratic parties who had problems with their voting, in addition to violating Campaign Finance Laws. Bill violated voting laws in MA by going INSIDE the polling area.
The list goes on. The crimes are there. They just were not prosecuted. And look at the FBI Director and his sleezy part in this.
No, I'll take a crude, rude baffoon I can impeach over a sleeze bucket bought and paid for by the Rothschilds, Israel, and the Sunni ISIS nations in the Middle East who will NEVER be impeached due to her large corruption connection.
Great. Just what this forum needs is another whack-job moron who doesn't know how to research anything. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on October 19, 2016, 01:41:46 PM
I really hate to say this, parkerdivine (Parker Divine :haha:) I really think you have shit for brains, just like :chick: Henry Hawk. I hope you're praying :pray:
Oh, my....so you have an opinion. NOTHING which involves WHY you support Clinton....talk about shit for brains.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 19, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
Great. Just what this forum needs is another whack-job moron who doesn't know how to research anything. :rolleyes:
Sure I do.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world)
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/ (http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/)
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/the_democrats_have_no_soul_the_clintons_neoliberalism_and_how_the_peoples_party_lost_its_way/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/the_democrats_have_no_soul_the_clintons_neoliberalism_and_how_the_peoples_party_lost_its_way/)
Not ONE is a right wing magazine.
Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 03:44:37 PM
Sure I do.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world)
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/ (http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/)
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/the_democrats_have_no_soul_the_clintons_neoliberalism_and_how_the_peoples_party_lost_its_way/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/the_democrats_have_no_soul_the_clintons_neoliberalism_and_how_the_peoples_party_lost_its_way/)
Not ONE is a right wing magazine.
:man: :man: :man: What can I say to the stupid logic in this post. :haha: :haha:
Final debate tonight. Let me know your thoughts if you watch it. ;D
Well, at least they talked a little more about the issues this time. Nothing really new.
I watched it all, found it very interesting. Hillary was her usual unflappable self -- even more so last night -- but Trump? I was a little embarrassed for him as he glared at Hillary, trying to look mean as she rattled off what she'd been doing "the past 30 years."
The moderator, Chris Wallace, was his usual composed self -- even when he got drowned out by Trump or Hillary, sometimes both at the same time. He asked some tough questions about Bill Clinton's womanizing reputation, and Trump's own description of how he approached attractive girls/women.
One more thing: despite all the worrying by news talkers about Hillary's health, she looked and sounded fine, while Trump, at least to me, seemed tired.
Trump put the final nail in his coffin last night in my opinion. He was quite composed in the early part of the debate, and was putting on his best performance, but then the whole thing came off the rails for him. ;D
At a rally in Ohio, Donald Trump just stated that he will accept the results of this historic presidential election, "if I win." He stated it just as I'm typing this.
Quote from: Locutus on October 20, 2016, 12:18:30 PM
Trump put the final nail in his coffin last night in my opinion. He was quite composed in the early part of the debate, and was putting on his best performance, but then the whole thing came off the rails for him. ;D
Trump as usual made an ass of himself. :hogslop: The asshole is just like having an atomic bomb :science: and it having a 1 inch fuse. Just try lighting it, a vote for Trump. :rolleyes: Hell, if you got an atomic bomb :science: why not use it. :doh: :rant:
Quote from: Locutus on October 20, 2016, 12:38:20 PM
At a rally in Ohio, Donald Trump just stated that he will accept the results of this historic presidential election, "if I win." He stated it just as I'm typing this.
He's also claiming that HRC was given last night's debate questions in advance. :rolleyes:
He's simply unbelievable, and his supporters don't give a fuck.
Quote from: parkerdivine on October 19, 2016, 01:27:27 PM
Clinton scares me because she's a Reagan austerity republican. She can't be impeached nor even CHARGED with a crime. Trump is the lesser of two evils IMHO, and I'm a die hard liberal. Clinton is a neoliberal, which is what George W was.
later....gotta get grandson.
You proved one thing to me. You can't ever say anything to me that will impress me. :yes: You sure are one stupid grandma, what will your grandson grow up to be. :doh:
I know, a :koolaid: drinker, love that :koolaid: :repub: :jc:
Quote from: libby on October 20, 2016, 12:12:26 PM
I watched it all, found it very interesting. Hillary was her usual unflappable self -- even more so last night -- but Trump? I was a little embarrassed for him as he glared at Hillary, trying to look mean as she rattled off what she'd been doing "the past 30 years."
The moderator, Chris Wallace, was his usual composed self -- even when he got drowned out by Trump or Hillary, sometimes both at the same time. He asked some tough questions about Bill Clinton's womanizing reputation, and Trump's own description of how he approached attractive girls/women.
One more thing: despite all the worrying by news talkers about Hillary's health, she looked and sounded fine, while Trump, at least to me, seemed tired.
I agree Libby, Hillary was unflappable, even as Trump interrupted her with "wrong" and called her a nasty woman. I think he did much less interrupting this time, but you could see he was trying to control himself and sometimes not achieving it.
I didn't like how he answered the last question about whether he would accept the results of the election.
http://www.vox.com/2016/10/20/13341526/donald-trump-concede-violence
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 20, 2016, 07:06:54 PM
http://www.vox.com/2016/10/20/13341526/donald-trump-concede-violence
^^
Yep! The sub-100 IQ group of his constituency.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 20, 2016, 07:06:54 PM
I agree Libby, Hillary was unflappable, even as Trump interrupted her with "wrong" and called her a nasty woman. I think he did much less interrupting this time, but you could see he was trying to control himself and sometimes not achieving it.
I didn't like how he answered the last question about whether he would accept the results of the election.
http://www.vox.com/2016/10/20/13341526/donald-trump-concede-violence
The libs pay people to stir up shit at his rallies and you infer the conservatives would get violent??????? Get real and quit guessing what he meant when he said that. Listen again to his words real careful and think for yourself for a change instead of letting someone else tell you what he meant.
Quote from: me on October 20, 2016, 07:36:36 PM
The libs pay people to stir up shit at his rallies and you infer the conservatives would get violent??????? Get real and quit guessing what he meant when he said that. Listen again to his words real careful and think for yourself for a change instead of letting someone else tell you what he meant.
And your proof of this? Remember! No right wing sites! Neutral sources, please.
Quote from: me on October 20, 2016, 07:36:36 PM
The libs pay people to stir up shit at his rallies and you infer the conservatives would get violent??????? Get real and quit guessing what he meant when he said that. Listen again to his words real careful and think for yourself for a change instead of letting someone else tell you what he meant.
I imagine that it wouldn't take a lot of money to stir :stirthepot: up shit in that shit hole. :hogslop: :haha: :spot: And you want to vote for Trump. :pigdance: <--- Old Pu$$y grabber Trump. :doh:
Quote from: me on October 20, 2016, 07:36:36 PM
The libs pay people to stir up shit at his rallies and you infer the conservatives would get violent???????
There you go repeating lies again.
This is why we call you out for being a liar.
:no: And all this ^^^^ is why I just don't get into political debate. :no:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 21, 2016, 07:49:11 AM
There you go repeating lies again. This is why we call you out for being a liar.
You know what's funny? I heard that exact same load of crap come out of Sean Hannity's mouth just last night. Yet she claims she doesn't watch Fox News. :rolleyes:
Quote from: pariann on October 21, 2016, 08:45:15 AM
:no: And all this ^^^^ is why I just don't get into political debate. :no:
Aw, it's not that bad. We've been battling her for years now. You could put a piece of white paper down in front of her and she would swear it was black just for argument's sake. ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on October 21, 2016, 07:49:11 AM
There you go repeating lies again. This is why we call you out for being a liar.
I think you'd better check again Ex.
Quote from: me on October 21, 2016, 10:54:22 AM
I think you'd better check again Ex.
I have and it's bullshit. James O'Keefe is a known liar and all of this originates with him. O'Keefe did, however, receive $10,000.00 from the Trump Foundation. (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-foundation-paid-activist-filmmaker-james-o-keefe-n670381)
Quote from: Exterminator on October 21, 2016, 11:00:21 AM
I have and it's bullshit. James O'Keefe is a known liar and all of this originates with him. O'Keefe did, however, receive $10,000.00 from the Trump Foundation. (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-foundation-paid-activist-filmmaker-james-o-keefe-n670381)
Prove it.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 20, 2016, 07:43:21 PM
And your proof of this? Remember! No right wing sites! Neutral sources, please.
She will never produce anything to substantiate this because she's a liar and she can't.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 21, 2016, 11:26:27 AM
She will never produce anything to substantiate this because she's a liar and she can't.
Go to the Democrats suck thread.
QuoteDemocratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said during the third presidential debate, "We at the Clinton Foundation spend ninety percent — ninety percent — of all the money that is donated on behalf of programs of people around the world and in our own country."
Fact-Check: FALSE
http://www.breitbart.com/live/third-presidential-debate-fact-check-livewire/fact-check-no-clinton-foundation-not-spend-ninety-percent-money-donated-programs/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Quote from: me on October 21, 2016, 11:57:55 AM
Go to the Democrats suck thread.
http://www.breitbart.com/live/third-presidential-debate-fact-check-livewire/fact-check-no-clinton-foundation-not-spend-ninety-percent-money-donated-programs/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Do you actually expect anyone to take you seriously when you use as a source a website whose CEO is currently running the campaign of the opposing party? The level of ignorance is astounding and you're as gullible as they come! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 21, 2016, 12:17:58 PM
Do you actually expect anyone to take you seriously when you use as a source a website whose CEO is currently running the campaign of the opposing party? The level of ignorance is astounding and you're as gullible as they come! :rolleyes:
Check for yourself then.
Quote from: me on October 21, 2016, 01:47:13 PM
Check for yourself then.
Just because The Clinton Foundation doesn't directly disburse collected funds to others to carry out charitable work doesn't mean what she said is false. Do you even know how the foundation operates, or do you even care to know before making your statements here?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 21, 2016, 11:00:21 AM
I have and it's bullshit. James O'Keefe is a known liar
So is Hillary...
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=44296&utm_source=reembed&utm_medium=endscreen&utm_campaign=popular
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 21, 2016, 03:05:46 PM
So is Hillary...
According to politifact, she's many times more honest than Trump so go spread
your lies elsewhere, hypocrite.
Quote from: Locutus on October 21, 2016, 02:48:36 PM
Just because The Clinton Foundation doesn't directly disburse collected funds to others to carry out charitable work doesn't mean what she said is false. Do you even know how the foundation operates, or do you even care to know before making your statements here?
You mean how it's supposed to operate.
Quote from: me on October 21, 2016, 03:12:28 PM
You mean how it's supposed to operate.
Do you have any evidence that it's not operating as "it's supposed to operate?"
If you do, then you're privy to information that at least 2 charity rating groups aren't. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on October 21, 2016, 03:11:32 PM
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=44296&utm_source=reembed&utm_medium=endscreen&utm_campaign=popular (http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=44296&utm_source=reembed&utm_medium=endscreen&utm_campaign=popular)
LMATO!! Red State Watcher? I rarely look at that, but when I do, I've been hard pressed to find even a smidgen of truth on there. One of my FB friends posted this electoral map from that lie-ridden website just yesterday.
:rotfl: Have you ever seen anything as ridiculous as this map? :biggrin:
BTW, Florida is also solid red for Trump too even though you can't see it in that clip from their YouTube video.
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14717169_321716384856906_4649149271725153314_n.jpg?oh=df9e961a6cd5611c41feb2089a06d58e&oe=58906DFA)
Quote from: Locutus on October 21, 2016, 03:14:51 PM
Do you have any evidence that it's not operating as "it's supposed to operate?"
If you do, then your privy to information that at least 2 charity rating groups aren't. :rolleyes:
Ya'll think she's so lily white and pure you wouldn't believe it anyway so what's the point.
Quote from: me on October 21, 2016, 03:36:03 PM
Ya'll think she's so lily white and pure you wouldn't believe it anyway so what's the point.
What makes you say that? Unlike you, I can change my mind when presented with demonstrable evidence that I'm wrong. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on October 21, 2016, 11:57:55 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/live/third-presidential-debate-fact-check-livewire/fact-check-no-clinton-foundation-not-spend-ninety-percent-money-donated-programs/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Quote from: me on October 21, 2016, 03:11:32 PM
http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=44296&utm_source=reembed&utm_medium=endscreen&utm_campaign=popular
Seriously, Me, how many times do we have to tell you to quote REAL sources, not the dumbass right wing sites. Maybe if you actually spent time looking up facts from reputable sites we would believe you. As Locutus said, I, too, would change my mind if you presented real proof of what you claim.
Quote from: Locutus on October 21, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
What makes you say that? Unlike you, I can change my mind when presented with demonstrable evidence that I'm wrong. :rolleyes:
Agree, Locutus.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 21, 2016, 05:33:15 PM
Agree, Locutus.
Any sensible, intelligent, knowledge-seeking person is like that. Too bad members of a large swath of the electorate - comprised mostly of the far-right fringe of the Republican Party - aren't like that at all.
I'm going with 54 :biggrin: Hoss. :wink:
Quote from: The Troll on October 21, 2016, 07:00:38 PM
I'm going with 54 :biggrin: Hoss. :wink:
Then they better start yapping. Time is growing short. . . :biggrin:
I would say that I will be happy when the election is over, but after the last 9 years I know better.
No matter what the outcome is we will still have to endure:
- Out of control obstructionistic political initiatives
- And a Constant state of caterwauling.
Then there is the total demise of the working class if Rump is elected. :mad:
I just listened to Trump's first 100 day list of things he's going to do. :puke: :sick: :ouch: :waaa: Most of the stuff he said is pure bullshit and lies.
:det:
If this :hogslop: Trump is elected and he can get it done, we're a bunch of trouble. :yes: But, I don't think his Republican controlled House will let him have it. :sick: :waaa: :waaa:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 22, 2016, 01:00:05 AM
I would say that I will be happy when the election is over, but after the last 9 years I know better.
No matter what the outcome is we will still have to endure:
- Out of control obstructionistic political initiatives
- And a Constant state of caterwauling.
Then there is the total demise of the working class if Rump is elected. :mad:
Yup! This is an excellent article that speaks to exactly what you're talking about. The Republicans tried to sink Obama but instead sunk themselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/09/gop-tried-sink-obama-imploded-extremism
Quote from: Locutus on October 22, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
Yup! This is an excellent article that speaks to exactly what you're talking about. The Republicans tried to sink Obama but instead sunk themselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/09/gop-tried-sink-obama-imploded-extremism
Just like Ronald Regan wanted to kill everything that FDR did for the American people. Donald Trump :hogslop: wants to destroy everything that Obama has done for the American People. :4th3: Let's send Old Trump :hogslop: to hell. :devil4:
Quote from: The Troll on October 22, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
Just like Ronald Regan wanted to kill everything that FDR did for the American people. Donald Trump :hogslop: wants to destroy everything that Obama has done for the American People. :4th3: Let's send Old Trump :hogslop: to hell. :devil4:
Did you see where one of the things he wants to do is have term limits on Congress? That isn't a bad suggestion and I am for term limits but I know Trump can't do it.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 22, 2016, 02:27:11 PM
Did you see where one of the things he wants to do is have term limits on Congress? That isn't a bad suggestion and I am for term limits but I know Trump can't do it.
Let alone it would require an amendment to the Constitution to do that.
Quote from: Locutus on October 22, 2016, 04:31:47 PM
Let alone it would require an amendment to the Constitution to do that.
Exactly and Trump doesn't know the Constitution.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on October 22, 2016, 05:00:34 PM
Exactly and Trump doesn't know the Constitution.
He doesn't know much about anything. It's too bad he has such a large segment of the population fleeced with his bullshit.
Quote from: Locutus on October 22, 2016, 05:14:49 PM
He doesn't know much about anything. It's too bad he has such a large segment of the population fleeced with his bullshit.
It scares me to think what would happen if he actually won the election.
Quote from: Locutus on October 22, 2016, 05:14:49 PM
He doesn't know much about anything. It's too bad he has such a large segment of the population fleeced with his bullshit.
It shows you that his followers don't know much about the Constitution, either. If they did, they wouldn't be so worried about their guns being taken away. They don't grasp what it really takes to have the 2nd Amendment repealed.
Yep! But who cares about those pesky facts when you're feeling persecuted.
Quote from: Locutus on October 22, 2016, 06:41:18 PM
Yep! But who cares about those pesky facts when you're feeling persecuted.
That's what he plays on, their fear.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 22, 2016, 06:58:15 PM
That's what he plays on, their fear.
Exactly! :yes: He took the GOP playbook and put it on steroids.
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;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2016, 07:03:47 AM
I will NOT even comment on this other than maybe just to say.......it is the most laughable post and comment perhaps ever witnessed by anyone on earth....other than that, I will not comment. :no:
Not a word... :no:
I got to say one thing "Chicken" Hawk, you have to be one of the most ignorant and stupid person on the Zone. Even more so than :me: Does your wife have to kick you in the ass :kick: every morning, just to get you to breath. :rant: I would guess that it would be hard for you to breath, with your head up your ass all the time, every day. :finger2: And you can kiss it. :kiss: :mooning:
Say, why don't we have a smiley face with it's head up it's ass. I know I would use it a lot for some people on here. :haha:
I've watched President Obama at a couple of rallies lately, and he seems to be having a really good time on the campaign trail for Hillary. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on October 24, 2016, 12:21:07 PM
I've watched President Obama at a couple of rallies lately, and he seems to be having a really good time on the campaign trail for Hillary. ;D
It's like shooting fish in a barrel! :biggrin:
:biggrin:
:yes:
All I am going to say is this; Hilary Clinton is, without a doubt, the most corrupt person, in my lifetime, to run for the POTUS. This even isn't just an opinion, but a FACT.
How it is even remotely possible how anyone can vote for her is astounding. Trump isn't perfect, but he isn't a CROOK.
You talk about the low IQ voter, but the democrat party is predominately LOW IQ. This isn't just an opinion, it is a FACT.
Look at the inner city voters. The folks dependent upon welfare. The folks dependent upon food stamps. It is a simple observation, nothing scientific but true.
YOU guys know this to be true too! You suggest other theories, but this one isn't arguable.
Anyway, just had to do a drive by.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 24, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
All I am going to say is this; Hilary Clinton is, without a doubt, the most corrupt person, in my lifetime, to run for the POTUS. This even isn't just an opinion, but a FACT.
How it is even remotely possible how anyone can vote for her is astounding. Trump isn't perfect, but he isn't a CROOK.
You talk about the low IQ voter, but the democrat party is predominately LOW IQ. This isn't just an opinion, it is a FACT.
Look at the inner city voters. The folks dependent upon welfare. The folks dependent upon food stamps. It is a simple observation, nothing scientific but true.
YOU guys know this to be true too! You suggest other theories, but this one isn't arguable.
Anyway, just had to do a drive by.....
And you Hawkf, are a god damn liar. I'll tell you this, I'll put you up for an IQ test against me, I know damn well I can bet you hands down on who is the smartest. :yes: I'll debate you on who is the most honest, Hillary or :hogslop: Trump and I debate you on your Bible. :jc: :jester: and Idiot.. What in hell would a Scab, Soda Jerk and Lumber Wrestler know anyway. :haha: You sure have to be on drugs, Bunky.
Oh yes, have I told you lately how much respect I have for you and how much I like you. :haha: :haha: :haha: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 24, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
All I am going to say is this; Hilary Clinton is, without a doubt, the most corrupt person, in my lifetime, to run for the POTUS. This even isn't just an opinion, but a FACT.
Your "facts" are without merit.
QuoteTrump isn't perfect, but he isn't a CROOK.
Bullshit...several bankruptcies in which he enriched himself while shafting his suppliers, contractors and investors? Trump University? His unlicensed sham of a charitable foundation?
QuoteYou talk about the low IQ voter, but the democrat party is predominately LOW IQ. This isn't just an opinion, it is a FACT.
Another of your baseless facts.
QuoteLook at the inner city voters. The folks dependent upon welfare. The folks dependent upon food stamps.
How about the folks dependent on bankruptcies?
Trump is a loser as are all of his supporters. He will get to fulfill that role on November 8. :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on October 24, 2016, 03:22:37 PM
And you Hawkf, are a god damn liar. I'll tell you this, I'll put you up for an IQ test against me, I know damn well I can bet you hands down on who is the smartest. :yes: I'll debate you on who is the most honest, Hillary or :hogslop: Trump and I debate you on your Bible. :jc: :jester: and Idiot.. What in hell would a Scab, Soda Jerk and Lumber Wrestler know anyway. :haha: You sure have to be on drugs, Bunky.
Oh yes, have I told you lately how much respect I have for you and how much I like you. :haha: :haha: :haha: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Case in point....:haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 24, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Case in point....:haha:
Oh Boogie Boy, what a way you have with words. :wink:
I have a little something in the filing cabinet for two weeks from tomorrow night. :haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 24, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
All I am going to say is this; Hilary Clinton is, without a doubt, the most corrupt person, in my lifetime, to run for the POTUS. This even isn't just an opinion, but a FACT.
Really Henry? Haven't you learned by reading the interactions we have with Me? State your sources, and they can't be from Breitbart, Allen West, Youngcons, and other right wing sites. If you are going to claim it is a fact, then provide some back up.
QuoteHow it is even remotely possible how anyone can vote for her is astounding. Trump isn't perfect, but he isn't a CROOK.
Ex took care of this one.
QuoteYou talk about the low IQ voter, but the democrat party is predominately LOW IQ. This isn't just an opinion, it is a FACT.
Look at the inner city voters. The folks dependent upon welfare. The folks dependent upon food stamps. It is a simple observation, nothing scientific but true.
YOU guys know this to be true too! You suggest other theories, but this one isn't arguable.
See above. I'd really like to see something on this.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 24, 2016, 09:08:40 PM
Really Henry? Haven't you learned by reading the interactions we have with Me? State your sources, and they can't be from Breitbart, Allen West, Youngcons, and other right wing sites. If you are going to claim it is a fact, then provide some back up.
Ex took care of this one.
See above. I'd really like to see something on this.
Ya know, our sources are just as good as yours are considering yours come from left leaning publications and people. H H and I don't particularly agree with your sources either and when asked to tell us things in your own words you can't, all you do is quote things you've either heard or read.
Quote from: me on October 24, 2016, 11:13:15 PM
Ya know, our sources are just as good as yours are considering yours come from left leaning publications and people. H H and I don't particularly agree with your sources either and when asked to tell us things in your own words you can't, all you do is quote things you've either heard or read.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: me on October 24, 2016, 11:13:15 PM
Ya know, our sources are just as good as yours are considering yours come from left leaning publications and people. H H and I don't particularly agree with your sources either and when asked to tell us things in your own words you can't, all you do is quote things you've either heard or read.
That is such utter bullshit it's laughable. If we were talking about unemployment, you'd be regurgitating crap that you got in an email that originated from World News Daily and we'd be quoting data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Then you'd tell us that our data is flawed because Obama controls it. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 25, 2016, 08:07:09 AM
That is such utter bullshit it's laughable. If we were talking about unemployment, you'd be regurgitating crap that you got in an email that originated from World News Daily and we'd be quoting data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Then you'd tell us that our data is flawed because Obama controls it. :rolleyes:
Another person with their head up their ass. :haha: Their whole world has a brown cast to it and it smells like bullshit. :yes: They have been on drugs too long. :grin2:
My friends are still at it on Facebook. :rotfl: The accompanying comment was, "Either Clinton voters are incredibly numerous and silent.. (they aren't) or a massive landslide is coming.." LMFAO!! There's a landslide coming all right, but it won't be in that direction. ;D
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What's scary is, they're sharing it and believing it. The masses really are ignorant.
Quote from: Locutus on October 24, 2016, 12:21:07 PM
I've watched President Obama at a couple of rallies lately, and he seems to be having a really good time on the campaign trail for Hillary. ;D
When did he quit calling her unfit for office and a liar, oh, I remember, when he beat her out for the nomination.
Quote from: Anne on October 25, 2016, 06:12:58 PM
When did he quit calling her unfit for office and a liar, oh, I remember, when he beat her out for the nomination.
Yup! It's called politics.
He then afforded her the opportunity to add to her presidential resume by naming her his Secretary of State for the first four years of his presidency. You simply don't nominate someone you see as fundamentally 'unfit' as your Secretary of State.
Quote from: Locutus on October 25, 2016, 06:15:00 PM
Yup! It's called politics.
He then afforded her the opportunity to add to her presidential resume by naming her his Secretary of State for the first four years of his presidency. You simply don't nominate someone you see as fundamentally 'unfit' as your Secretary of State.
Ya, too bad he didn't realize she really was unfit when he named her.
Quote from: me on October 25, 2016, 06:27:31 PM
Ya, too bad he didn't realize she really was unfit when he named her.
Your aversion to facts absolutely astounds me. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on October 25, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Your aversion to facts absolutely astounds me. :rolleyes:
"Your aversion to facts" I call it Shit for Brains. :rolleyes: :razz:
Quote from: Locutus on October 25, 2016, 03:17:04 PM
What's scary is, they're sharing it and believing it. The masses really are ignorant.
I haven't seen that in my feed, but I have seen many posts about Hillary's campaign rallies are getting barely any attendees. One said only 30 people came and the next one said only 50 people attended the rally. They were about the same rally, too. And they believe it!
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 25, 2016, 07:05:33 PM
I haven't seen that in my feed, but I have seen many posts about Hillary's campaign rallies are getting barely any attendees. One said only 30 people came and the next one said only 50 people attended the rally. They were about the same rally, too. And they believe it!
The 30 people were for her running mates rally not hers. Didn't see one that said 50.
Quote from: me on October 25, 2016, 08:55:12 PM
The 30 people were for her running mates rally not hers. Didn't see one that said 50.
No matter what you say Fat Butt :mooning: Hillary is going you bet your :hogslop: Donald Trump. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Locutus on October 24, 2016, 12:21:07 PM
I've watched President Obama at a couple of rallies lately, and he seems to be having a really good time on the campaign trail for Hillary. ;D
:yes:
Quote from: Anne on October 25, 2016, 06:12:58 PM
When did he quit calling her unfit for office and a liar, oh, I remember, when he beat her out for the nomination.
Quote from: Locutus on October 25, 2016, 06:15:00 PM
Yup! It's called politics.
He then afforded her the opportunity to add to her presidential resume by naming her his Secretary of State for the first four years of his presidency. You simply don't nominate someone you see as fundamentally 'unfit' as your Secretary of State.
Good example of politics with class. Like when John McCain defended Obama when that woman badmouthed him.
Quote from: AbbyTC on October 25, 2016, 07:05:33 PM
I haven't seen that in my feed, but I have seen many posts about Hillary's campaign rallies are getting barely any attendees. One said only 30 people came and the next one said only 50 people attended the rally. They were about the same rally, too. And they believe it!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wow-tim-kaine-holds-rally-30-people-show/
Hillary and Kaine don't even need to hold rallies any more; they've already won!
:me: From the past reading, I have found that you are a good cook and like good food. :yes: Right now I am trying to find the biggest crow to send you. :yes: So you can cook and eat it after the election. Caw, caw, caw, :haha: :haha: :rotfl: Better yet, I'll send you two crows so you can cook one for Henry. Please pick the feather off for you, leave them on for Henry. :kiss: :bouquet:
Quote from: Locutus on October 25, 2016, 06:15:00 PM
Yup! It's called politics.
He then afforded her the opportunity to add to her presidential resume by naming her his Secretary of State for the first four years of his presidency. You simply don't nominate someone you see as fundamentally 'unfit' as your Secretary of State.
Yes, they all lie about everything.
The worst thing about this incredibly crazy election is that one of the lying crooks will actually be elected. For the first time in my life I worry about my country.😰
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Two weeks from today and you'll be saying, "President-elect Clinton." :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on October 26, 2016, 03:48:07 PM
Two weeks from today and you'll be saying, "President-elect Clinton." :yes:
Back in 1980, the same sect of people were saying Carter would be our next potus...he too was behind in polls a week before the election....
I really don't know, but it isn't over by any fashion....if you think it is, you are being foolish.
Quote from: Anne on October 26, 2016, 12:57:28 PM
Yes, they all lie about everything.
The worst thing about this incredibly crazy election is that one of the lying crooks will actually be elected. For the first time in my life I worry about my country.😰
Annie, if you vote for Trump you're going to get what you want. :yes: Think about this, you are willing to give Donald Trump the trigger to the atomic and the hydrogen bombs. :nowink: :think:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 26, 2016, 04:31:23 PM
Back in 1980, the same sect of people were saying Carter would be our next potus...he too was behind in polls a week before the election....
I really don't know, but it isn't over by any fashion....if you think it is, you are being foolish.
I'm not foolish enough to say anything is a certainty, but it is looking very good for Clinton. Donald Trump is facing a very long shot at winning at this point. Remember, technology and computation have evolved significantly since 1980. The predictors are simply better at this point.
P.S. Don't trust Rasmussen.
This site has been very accurate going back to Bush v. Kerry in 2004.
http://electoral-vote.com (http://electoral-vote.com)
Quote from: Locutus on October 26, 2016, 05:36:17 PM
I'm not foolish enough to say anything is a certainty, but it is looking very good for Clinton. Donald Trump is facing a very long shot at winning at this point. Remember, technology and computation have evolved significantly since 1980. The predictors are simply better at this point.
P.S. Don't trust Rasmussen.
This site has been very accurate going back to Bush v. Kerry in 2004.
http://electoral-vote.com (http://electoral-vote.com)
Just for arguments sake....
While most of America sees the current presidential race as still undecided, American University Professor Alan Lichtman says he knows the winner.
Lichtman, who has correctly predicted every presidential election since 1984, says he uses a 13 question true/false method which he calls the "Keys to the White House."
Lichtman says the answer of "true" always favors the reelection of the party currently holding the White House.
And if 6 or more of the answers are false, it points in the direction of another party taking power.
Lichtman says that based on his system, Donald Trump is the favorite to win and says, "We have never before seen a candidate like Donald Trump, and Donald Trump may well break patterns of history that have held since 1860."
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/09/23/professor-correctly-predicted-30-years-president-election-donald-trump/21478061/ (http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/09/23/professor-correctly-predicted-30-years-president-election-donald-trump/21478061/)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 08:34:41 AM
Just for arguments sake....
While most of America sees the current presidential race as still undecided, American University Professor Alan Lichtman says he knows the winner.
Lichtman, who has correctly predicted every presidential election since 1984, says he uses a 13 question true/false method which he calls the "Keys to the White House."
Lichtman says the answer of "true" always favors the reelection of the party currently holding the White House.
And if 6 or more of the answers are false, it points in the direction of another party taking power.
Lichtman says that based on his system, Donald Trump is the favorite to win and says, "We have never before seen a candidate like Donald Trump, and Donald Trump may well break patterns of history that have held since 1860."
http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/09/23/professor-correctly-predicted-30-years-president-election-donald-trump/21478061/ (http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/09/23/professor-correctly-predicted-30-years-president-election-donald-trump/21478061/)
Yeah, I read about that guy the other day. ;D
Do you know what the typical number one predictor of presidential elections is as to which candidate will win office?
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 12:24:34 PM
Yeah, I read about that guy the other day. ;D
Do you know what the typical number one predictor of presidential elections is as to which candidate will win office?
The economy. I believe people will vote with their billfolds.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 12:56:22 PM
The economy. I believe people will vote with their billfolds.
The economy is a large part of it, but the number one predictor is approval rating of the sitting president. :wink:
....and we all know where that is now. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 12:56:22 PM
The economy. I believe people will vote with their billfolds.
Then they won't vote for Trump. Moody's Analytics predicts that a Trump presidency would significantly hurt the economy, sending the country into a lengthy recession that will cause the loss of 3.5 million jobs and put the unemployment rate at over 7 percent. In contrast, they say that Clinton's proposals would add over 10 million jobs and result in GDP growth of 2.7%.
If you have a more reliable source that says otherwise, we'd all like to see it. (waiting for the sound of crickets)
Quote from: Exterminator on October 27, 2016, 01:21:44 PM
Then they won't vote for Trump. Moody's Analytics predicts that a Trump presidency would significantly hurt the economy, sending the country into a lengthy recession that will cause the loss of 3.5 million jobs and put the unemployment rate at over 7 percent. In contrast, they say that Clinton's proposals would add over 10 million jobs and result in GDP growth of 2.7%.
If you have a more reliable source that says otherwise, we'd all like to see it. (waiting for the sound of crickets)
Crickets is right.
That sort of information about their respective economic plans has been available for weeks now, but you sure don't hear anything about
that from Trump supporters. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 27, 2016, 01:21:44 PM
Then they won't vote for Trump. Moody's Analytics predicts that a Trump presidency would significantly hurt the economy, sending the country into a lengthy recession that will cause the loss of 3.5 million jobs and put the unemployment rate at over 7 percent. In contrast, they say that Clinton's proposals would add over 10 million jobs and result in GDP growth of 2.7%.
If you have a more reliable source that says otherwise, we'd all like to see it. (waiting for the sound of crickets)
No crickets...
3 Economic Statistics that Predict Donald Trump Will Be Our Next President - Fortune.com (http://fortune.com/2016/10/07/economic-statistics-trump/)
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 01:00:33 PM
The economy is a large part of it, but the number one predictor is approval rating of the sitting president. :wink:
....and we all know where that is now. ;D
Clinton had a larger approval rating in 2000, than Obama does now .... 58% to 55%. We KNOW how that all turned out, now don't we? :wink: ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 01:44:33 PM
No crickets...
3 Economic Statistics that Predict Donald Trump Will Be Our Next President - Fortune.com (http://fortune.com/2016/10/07/economic-statistics-trump/)
That has absolutely nothing to do with the information I posted. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 01:44:33 PM
No crickets...
3 Economic Statistics that Predict Donald Trump Will Be Our Next President - Fortune.com (http://fortune.com/2016/10/07/economic-statistics-trump/)
I'll say it again. Two weeks from today, you'll be saying, "President-elect Clinton." ;D
HH, let me ask you another question. Do you think Trump really wants to win this election, and if so, why is he acting the way he's acting?
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 02:08:42 PM
I'll say it again. Two weeks from today, you'll be saying, "President-elect Clinton." ;D
And we'll be saying, "you lost, get over it." :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 27, 2016, 01:51:35 PM
That has absolutely nothing to do with the information I posted. :rolleyes:
Whatever..........
Let's talk about a few economic facts:
Federal Spending is above the 40 year average and most of his term was off the charts...
Home ownership is lowest since the Carter era...
Manufacturing employment, at nearly 12.3 million in May, was still 2.2 percent below where it was when Obama took office...
Obama will leave office with the fourth worst economic record in US history.
Assuming 2.67% RGDP growth for 2016, Obama will leave office having produced an average of 1.55% growth. This would place his presidency fourth from the bottom of the list of 39*, above only those of Herbert Hoover (-5.65%), Andrew Johnson (-0.70%) and Theodore Roosevelt (1.41%) Louis Woodhill
More people have been added to the food-stamp rolls than the job rolls under Obama...
According to Forbes: Our labor-force participation remains at its lowest level since 1978. Don't blame waves of retirement for that fact: the Census Bureau reported that, from 2005 to 2010, older Americans actually became more likely to be employed. The percentage of 65-69 year-olds remaining in the workforce jumped from 26 percent to 32 percent over a ten-year-period ending in 2012. Among those 70-74 the jump was even more startling: from 14 percent to 19.5 percent. Meanwhile workers in the prime of their lives have simply left the playing field.
Maybe this doesn't have anything to do with what you posted, but it DOES reflect MY POINT on the economy.......and the American people are quite aware of it.
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
HH, let me ask you another question. Do you think Trump really wants to win this election, and if so, why is he acting the way he's acting?
Yes. He act the way he does, because that is who he is. He ISN'T a polished politician. He is a flamboyant businessman. I find it somewhat refreshing to have an opportunity like this, than another creepy-assed, crooked, lyin, POS Politician.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 02:29:57 PM
Yes. He act the way he does, because that is who he is. He ISN'T a polished politician. He is a flamboyant businessman. I find it somewhat refreshing to have an opportunity like this, than another creepy-assed, crooked, lyin, POS Politician.
I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but something about him and the way he's acting makes me think he really doesn't want the burden of the presidency, and especially the encumbering effect it would have on his ability to do business and make money. I also wonder, had he known at the time that he would be the eventual nominee, if he would have entered the race to begin with.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 27, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
And we'll be saying, "you lost, get over it." :biggrin:
:yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 02:27:29 PM
Let's talk about a few economic facts:
Federal Spending is above the 40 year average and most of his term was off the charts...
The annual federal budget deficit when Obama took office was over $1.4 trillion. In 2016, it was $587 billion and is projected to be $504 billion in 2017. That is a reduction of over 60%. How is this trajectory a bad thing?
QuoteHome ownership is lowest since the Carter era...
So the federal government should buy people houses now?
QuoteManufacturing employment, at nearly 12.3 million in May, was still 2.2 percent below where it was when Obama took office...
Manufacturing has been declining in this country for decades and will continue to do so. Those jobs are gone and are never coming back. Never. Coming. Back. The quicker people understand this fundamental change in our economy and embrace it, the better off they'll be.
QuoteObama will leave office with the fourth worst economic record in US history.
According to neocon websites. People like you who are bad at math eat that shit up. :rolleyes:
QuoteMaybe this doesn't have anything to do with what you posted, but it DOES reflect MY POINT on the economy.......and the American people are quite aware of it.
For the most part, the people primarily disenfranchised by the current economic conditions are uneducated white men. Maybe instead of blaming everyone else, they should do what they're always telling others to and work to improve their own situation.
spin, spin, spin.... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 03:43:56 PM
spin, spin, spin.... :yes:
Please tell me you're not like 'me' who would claim a piece of paper is black when a white one is on the table in front of her. :no:
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 03:45:08 PM
Please tell me you're not like 'me' who would claim a piece of paper is black when a white one is on the table in front of her. :no:
They hate facts because they illustrate that their political decisions are made for reasons that have nothing to do with what is actually best for the country.
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 03:45:08 PM
Please tell me you're not like 'me' who would claim a piece of paper is black when a white one is on the table in front of her. :no:
Not sure what you are talking about.......all I know is, everything I posted is true. Ex, spins. That is another fact. You guys agree politically, so you accept his spins. It is about that simple.
with that being said.........I am on the cusps of being overly busy once again. I had a small down time today, but back at it again tomorrow...........so, I probably will not be involved again for a spell.....
later gators!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
...all I know is, everything I posted is true. Ex, spins. That is another fact. You guys agree politically, so you accept his spins.
I post facts backed by hard evidence. You post hyperbole and uninformed opinion backed by nothing. Logical, educated people who cross-check the validity of the information I post agree with me. Uneducated, gullible mouth-breathers agree with you. These are the real facts.
QuoteDeficits Are Quietly Rising Again - Threatening Growth
Oct.25.16 | About: SPDR S&P (SPY)
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By Gary Alexander
It's time to follow-up on two of my recent promises before we turn the calendar to the market's historical sweet spot - namely, the advent of blessed November next Tuesday morning. First, in my Growth Mail of September 27, I examined the Big 3 economic indicators (jobs, inflation, and GDP growth), promising to cover "another important statistic to be released soon - the Fiscal 2016 U.S. Budget Deficit."
Well, that day of reckoning is here. The U.S. Treasury reported on October 14th that the federal deficit rose by 34% in fiscal-year 2016 (which ended September 30, 2016), rising from $438 billion in fiscal-2015 to $587 billion in the fiscal year just ended. In President Obama's eight years in office, he increased the red ink in Washington by more than $7 trillion, including four straight trillion-dollar deficits in his first term:
The Obama Years Deficits Table
When President Obama took office, the public debt as a share of U.S. GDP was 48%. Now, it's 77%.
One big reason for this year's rising deficit is a 12% decline in corporate tax receipts. This is partly due to the earnings recession over the last five or six quarters, but it's also due to America's world-leading 39% corporate tax rate, which drives many corporations into tax "inversions." High tax rates motivate multinational firms to retain their foreign earnings in foreign lands. Meanwhile, small businesses are dying faster than new ones are being born due to a slow-growing economy and heavy regulations on business.
A quick and easy solution to this particular tax shortfall would be to cut the top corporate tax rate in half.
Politicians, of course, disagree, believing that their pie-in-the-sky rhetoric will deliver more services at less cost. In last week's third and final presidential debate, moderator Chris Wallace finally raised the all-important subject of deficits and runaway spending, which both candidates proceeded to avoid creatively.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/4014488-deficits-quietly-rising-threatening-growth
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51908
And from the chart in your own article, you can see proof from the CBO that what Exterminator said was true. The deficit is much smaller now than it was when Obama took office.
In case you need crayons again, the deficit is the delta between the two lines on the chart. If you need the definition of what a delta is, then refer to a dictionary. :rolleyes:
(https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/images/pubs-images/51908-home-coverlarge.png)
BTW, the Clinton (Bill) surplus is also clearly shown on that chart. If any of you conservative nitwits knew how to knowledgeably apply historical events to that graph, the picture would become clearer to you.
The surplus is visible. Then what happened next? George W. Bush was elected. What did he do? He cut taxes straight out of the gate, based partly on that surplus. Then, he launched two wars, one of which was completely unnecessary, while keeping his tax cuts in place.
What logically followed is the reversal of the lines where the surplus was again replaced by deficits.
:rolleyes:
Can any of you do basic math while keeping historical knowledge of what happened during those times in mind?
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 07:37:40 PM
BTW, the Clinton (Bill) surplus is also clearly shown on that chart. If any of you conservative nitwits knew how to knowledgeably apply historical events to that graph, the picture would become clearer to you.
The surplus is visible. Then what happened next? George W. Bush was elected. What did he do? He cut taxes straight out of the gate, based partly on that surplus. Then, he launched two wars, one of which was completely unnecessary, while keeping his tax cuts in place.
What logically followed is the reversal of the lines where the surplus was again replaced by deficits.
:rolleyes:
Can any of you do basic math while keeping historical knowledge of what happened during those times in mind?
Stop using those damn facts! ;)
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 06:41:12 PM
And from the chart in your own article, you can see proof from the CBO that what Exterminator said was true. The deficit is much smaller now than it was when Obama took office.
In case you need crayons again, the deficit is the delta between the two lines on the chart. If you need the definition of what a delta is, then refer to a dictionary. :rolleyes:
(https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/images/pubs-images/51908-home-coverlarge.png)
What budget? There hasn't been a budget done since Obama took office so they can spin those figures anyway they want.
QuoteIn fiscal year 2016, the federal budget deficit will increase in relation to economic output for the first time since 2009, CBO estimates. If current laws generally remained unchanged—an assumption underlying CBO's baseline projections—deficits would continue to mount over the next 10 years, and debt held by the public would rise from its already high level.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51908#section0 Looks to me like the outlay is considerably larger than the revenues on the chart.
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 06:41:12 PM
In case you need crayons again...
She would just eat them. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 28, 2016, 08:21:05 AM
She would just eat them. :biggrin:
Yep, Old Crayon Breath would just eat them. :haha: :haha:
I have also noticed no one on here is breathing anything about Wikileaks and ALL OF THE DAMNING evidence about the Corrupt Clinton Machine.........
Just stick you head in the sand... :rolleyes:
Truly, truly AMAZING just how corrupt they are and how the media is SCARED to death to touch it...........journalism is DEAD....and so it the brain cells of many, many democrat voters. :yes:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsskSTTWcAA7r9M.jpg)
8 POINTS VANISH IN 4 DAYS
AI PREDICTS TRUMP (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/28/clinton-lead-shrinks-even-as-nearly-6-in-10-expect-her-to-win-post-abc-tracking-poll-finds/)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 10:29:48 AM
Truly, truly AMAZING just how corrupt they are and how the media is SCARED to death to touch it...........journalism is DEAD....and so it the brain cells of many, many democrat voters.
Another example of the Dunning Kruger effect. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 28, 2016, 10:34:28 AM
Another example of the Dunning Kruger effect. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) :rolleyes:
Translation: They're too stupid to know they're stupid. ;D
Quote from: me on October 27, 2016, 09:10:12 PM
What budget? There hasn't been a budget done since Obama took office so they can spin those figures anyway they want.
^^
That statement is about as factual as the one you made stating that they can't grow grapes in England. :rolleyes:
OMFG, this is hysterical! (https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaShow/videos/1821498158082021/) :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on October 28, 2016, 10:54:00 AM
That statement is about as factual as the one you made stating that they can't grow grapes in England. :rolleyes:
It illustrates such a profound lack of understanding of the subject that I was at a loss how to even respond.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 28, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
OMFG, this is hysterical! (https://www.facebook.com/ChelseaShow/videos/1821498158082021/) :biggrin:
Did you read any of the comments? ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on October 28, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
It illustrates such a profound lack of understanding of the subject that I was at a loss how to even respond.
Yet it doesn't stop her from blowing off daily about things she knows nothing about.
Quote from: Locutus on October 28, 2016, 10:58:14 AM
Did you read any of the comments? ;D
Dear god...ever notice how illiterate the Trump supporters are as a group?
Quote from: Exterminator on October 28, 2016, 11:17:06 AM
Dear god...ever notice how illiterate the Trump supporters are as a group?
Yup! A lot of them are sub-100 IQ voters.
Quote from: Locutus on October 28, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
Yup! A lot of them are sub-100 IQ voters.
I just watched her clip when her word of the day was sarcasm and she said that Trump's supporters' combined IQ was lower than a bucket of f'ing hair. :biggrin:
FBI reopens investigation into Clinton email use
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 01:40:31 PM
FBI reopens investigation into Clinton email use
Hillary is shitting herself...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 01:58:53 PM
Hillary is shitting herself...
So is Trump. Remember, he really doesn't want to be president. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 01:58:53 PM
Hillary is shitting herself...
I doubt it. They don't have time between now and the election to come to any conclusions and after she gets elected, she can just pardon herself!
Sorry to burst your bubble...I'm sure your little inch-high private eye was standing at attention. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on October 28, 2016, 02:38:53 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble...I'm sure your little inch-high private eye was standing at attention. :biggrin:
Along with several of his friends too.
I think he's celebrating a bit too quickly as well. While this may sway a few undecided voters, most people have already made up their minds and this won't have any effect on them at all. Let alone, millions of votes have already been cast across the country that can't be retracted and changed at this point.
Also, there's no indication that any of this is criminal at this point anyway, so I think he's celebrating a bit too early.
Quote from: Locutus on October 28, 2016, 02:36:32 PM
So is Trump. Remember, he really doesn't want to be president. :wink:
You are really cracking me up! You really have NO clue to anything that is REALLY going on, do you? :biggrin:
(https://therionorteline.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/bigstock_smoking_gun_4399171.jpg)
Quote from: Locutus on October 28, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
Along with several of his friends too.
I think he's celebrating a bit too quickly as well. While this may sway a few undecided voters, most people have already made up their minds and this won't have any effect on them at all. Let alone, millions of votes have already been cast across the country that can't be retracted and changed at this point.
Also, there's no indication that any of this is criminal at this point anyway, so I think he's celebrating a bit too early.
I'm not celebrating.....just cautiously observing. Unlike others I know, I am going to wait and see what happens.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 03:18:09 PM
(https://therionorteline.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/bigstock_smoking_gun_4399171.jpg)
Oh look, it's a gun that's too big for Trump's tiny little hands! :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 03:17:17 PM
You are really cracking me up! You really have NO clue to anything that is REALLY going on, do you? :biggrin:
I'm only halfway joking about that Hank, for reasons I've stated previously around here.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 03:17:17 PM
You really have NO clue to anything that is REALLY going on, do you?
And here we have an example of yet another delusional neocon who can barely read but has convinced himself that he has profound insight. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 10:29:48 AM
I have also noticed no one on here is breathing anything about Wikileaks and ALL OF THE DAMNING evidence about the Corrupt Clinton Machine.........
Just stick you head in the sand... :rolleyes:
Truly, truly AMAZING just how corrupt they are and how the media is SCARED to death to touch it...........journalism is DEAD....and so it the brain cells of many, many democrat voters. :yes:
Get real, Hank.
The Clinton's are THE most investigated politicians in our history and your beloved RW/Toilet Paper Party idjits have never found even the SLIGHTEST bit of criminal behavior...
...and yet you and your ilk continue to swallow and spew the BS spoon fed to you idiots...
...and you wonder why there are those of us who aren't sub-100 mental midgets who point out your rampant stupidity.
When all you do is act and speak stupid, you will be deemed stupid...
...or in other words, "stupid is as stupid does!"
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 01:40:31 PM
FBI reopens investigation into Clinton email use
C'mon, Hank, you think you're such a ge-ne-us, why don't you tell us what criminal implications your handlers are spoon feeding you that are supposedly possible?
I mean, if "Hillary is shitting herself", there must be something legally credible behind your RW/Toilet Paper Party propaganda.
Hillary is a trained attorney, ya' know, so you've got to have something.
Geez! These emails were found on seized electronic devices belonging to Huma Abedin, and her husband, Anthony Weiner. :eek:
Wonder if there will be more pictures of Anthony Weiner's weiner. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 03:17:17 PM
You are really cracking me up! You really have NO clue to anything that is REALLY going on, do you? :biggrin:
I know for a fact you don't know what the fuck is going on, turkey. :turk: You make me sick :puke: with your stupidity, get your head out of your ass, Bird Boy. :rant:
Quote from: Y on October 28, 2016, 04:00:45 PM
C'mon, Hank, you think you're such a ge-ne-us, why don't you tell us what criminal implications your handlers are spoon feeding you that are supposedly possible?
I mean, if "Hillary is shitting herself", there must be something legally credible behind your RW/Toilet Paper Party propaganda.
Hillary is a trained attorney, ya' know, so you've got to have something.
They know they've already lost and are grasping at straws.
That's all these RW/Toilet Paper Party idjits do is spout every last bit of ridiculous BS they can find INSTEAD of actually discussing real issues.
Their problem is they're invariably on the wrong side of those real issues so they avoid intelligent discussion like the plague, and therefore are left to their imbecilic email, FB, and YT memes.
Even the last few RWers who joined never offered anything substantive to discuss.
All I see from the RW is the same ole' discredited ideology and vacuous propaganda.
Just keep on talkin!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 31, 2016, 07:08:37 AM
Just keep on talkin!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Chicken Hawks are supposed to eat chicken. :yes: :biggrin: But I know one Chicken Hawk that's going to eat crow. :haha: Caw, caw, caw, caw. Baby Hawk. :haha:
I believe that we ought to make a mandatory blackout period for political spots within all media that starts 3 weeks before any election.
That way these idiots can just wallow in all the mud they've been slinging and the rest of us can get on with our lives. :mad:
Most people have their minds made up well before any election is held. Why must we endure this barrage of bullshit and lies all the way up to the last minute? :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on October 31, 2016, 10:10:57 PM
That way these idiots can just wallow in all the mud they've been slinging and the rest of us can get on with our lives. :mad:
I voted last Saturday so my part is done. As an aside, I was on my way home from dog training last night and drove through a Gregg rally. I yelled out the window that I had early voted for him and he ran out to my truck to thank me and shake my hand! :biggrin:
This is an interesting read about the education factor in the election:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/upshot/why-does-education-translate-to-less-support-for-donald-trump.html?_r=0
Quote from: Exterminator on November 01, 2016, 07:40:34 AM
I voted last Saturday so my part is done. As an aside, I was on my way home from dog training last night and drove through a Gregg rally. I yelled out the window that I had early voted for him and he ran out to my truck to thank me and shake my hand! :biggrin:
:007:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 01, 2016, 07:40:34 AM
I voted last Saturday so my part is done. As an aside, I was on my way home from dog training last night and drove through a Gregg rally. I yelled out the window that I had early voted for him and he ran out to my truck to thank me and shake my hand! :biggrin:
One of the VP's that I work with is a big time, Indy, GOP guy. He is involved in several political committees and on several boards. He says he knows Gregg on a personal level and that he is a great guy.
One thing I have noticed, that most of the "democrat" folks who have yard signs have Gregg signs, Bayh signs, Carson signs and others, but I haven't yet to see any Hillary signs. Or very, very few. The IBEW, has EVERY democrat sign in front of the building, but NO Clinton signs....
Just an observation.
One of the latest "wikileaks"............. :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
People tell me that Hillary is acting 'like a retard' since her head injury. Frankly, considering her normal behavior, I'm surprised anyone noticed! (this is a joke!) Have someone talk to her doctor and see if there's anything he can give her.
Also, I've noticed she's had an 'odor' lately. It reminds me of a combination of boiled cabbage, urine and farts. I'm guessing it's either connected to her fall or simply the fact that she rarely bathes. Outside of encouraging her to take a shower once in a while, I don't know what to do about this. — any suggestions would be appreciated.
–sent from my iPad–
john.podesta@gmail.com
Before you go rambo on me.........I haven't fact checked or anything, but it STILL made me laugh....
snopes says it is a FALSE.
But, I have learned that anything is possible this election....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 01, 2016, 04:58:07 PM
snopes says it is a FALSE.
But, I have learned that anything is possible this election....
;D
On the news tonight, the latest poll of people who have actually early voted. 43% of the Republicans who have voted, have voted for Hillary. :clap: :yeah: :dance: :music1: :guitarist: :music1: :rock: :music1: :boohoo: :music1: and a drum roll :drummer:
The poll that has done this is Moody's, they have pick the last 4 president winners. :clap: :yeah: You know what this means, if Hillary win Florida, :hogslop: Donald Trump will have his ass kicked. :kick: :haha: How sweet it is. :haha: :salute: :tiphat:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 01, 2016, 04:56:21 PM
I haven't never fact checked or anything, but it STILL made me laugh....
Fixed this for you! :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 01, 2016, 04:58:07 PM
snopes says it is a FALSE.
Yeah, here's how this works...
first you fact check
then you post.
When you repeat a lie, it becomes your own.
Trump admitting sexual assault. Clinton emails. Trump charity fraud. Clinton emails. Trump calls for nuclear proliferation. Clinton emails. Trump calls for national stop and frisk. Clinton emails. Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba. Clinton emails. Trump sued over Trump U fraud. Clinton emails. Trump bribes DA. Clinton emails. Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years. Clinton emails. Trump employs campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia. Clinton emails. Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US. Clinton emails. Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate. Clinton emails. Trump in court for rape of a minor. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of situation in Syria. Clinton emails. Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination. Clinton emails. Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times. Clinton emails. Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics. Clinton emails. Trump slams people for being POWs. Clinton emails. Trump calls Mexicans rapists. Clinton emails. Trump questions judge's integrity because of parent's heritage. Clinton emails. Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal. Clinton emails. Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane. Clinton emails. Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse. Clinton emails. Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight. Clinton emails. Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am. Clinton emails. Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo. Clinton emails. Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used. Clinton emails. Trump asks why cant we use our nukes if we have them. Clinton emails. Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger. Clinton emails. Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists. Clinton emails. Trump says women should be punished for having abortions. Clinton emails. Trump makes fun of disabled people. Clinton emails. Trump calls for end of freedom of the press. Clinton emails. Trump calls global warming a Chinese hoax. Clinton emails. Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership. Clinton emails. Trump openly admits to not paying his employees during debate. Clinton emails. Trump calls Obama an illegitimate non-citizen hundreds of times over 7 years. Clinton emails. Trump uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses. Clinton emails. Trump says father of Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination citing National Enquirer. Clinton emails. Trump says laziness is an inherent trait in black people. Clinton emails.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 02, 2016, 07:26:14 AM
Fixed this for you! :biggrin:
At least he Snopes checked his own article. ;D
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"Some of the country's most prominent economists have signed a letter warning that Donald Trump is a 'dangerous, destructive' choice for president and urging voters to choose someone else."
I don't know who to believe...someone on a forum who can't conjugate basic verbs or 370 economists, 8 of whom are Nobel prize winners.
Economists Warn: Trump 'Promotes Magical Thinking And Conspiracy Theories' (http://www.npr.org/2016/11/01/500264332/economists-warn-trump-promotes-magical-thinking-and-conspiracy-theories?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=morningedition&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=202702)
https://vault.fbi.gov/hillary-r.-clinton
Quote from: Exterminator on November 02, 2016, 07:27:45 AM
Trump admitting sexual assault. Clinton emails. Trump charity fraud. Clinton emails. Trump calls for nuclear proliferation. Clinton emails. Trump calls for national stop and frisk. Clinton emails. Trump violates trade embargo with Cuba. Clinton emails. Trump sued over Trump U fraud. Clinton emails. Trump bribes DA. Clinton emails. Trump doesn't pay taxes for 20 years. Clinton emails. Trump employs campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia. Clinton emails. Trump calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US. Clinton emails. Trump lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate. Clinton emails. Trump in court for rape of a minor. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation. Clinton emails. Trump unaware of situation in Syria. Clinton emails. Trump penalized for racist housing discrimination. Clinton emails. Trump files for bankruptcy 6 times. Clinton emails. Trump goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics. Clinton emails. Trump slams people for being POWs. Clinton emails. Trump calls Mexicans rapists. Clinton emails. Trump questions judge's integrity because of parent's heritage. Clinton emails. Trump deletes emails involved in casino scandal. Clinton emails. Trump commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane. Clinton emails. Trump has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse. Clinton emails. Trump attacks former Ms America for being overweight. Clinton emails. Trump tweets about sex tapes at 3am. Clinton emails. Trump calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo. Clinton emails. Trump calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used. Clinton emails. Trump asks why cant we use our nukes if we have them. Clinton emails. Trump calls for offensive bombing attack on sovereign nations because someone gave the middle finger. Clinton emails. Trump calls to kill women and children of suspected terrorists. Clinton emails. Trump says women should be punished for having abortions. Clinton emails. Trump makes fun of disabled people. Clinton emails. Trump calls for end of freedom of the press. Clinton emails. Trump calls global warming a Chinese hoax. Clinton emails. Trump praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership. Clinton emails. Trump openly admits to not paying his employees during debate. Clinton emails. Trump calls Obama an illegitimate non-citizen hundreds of times over 7 years. Clinton emails. Trump uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses. Clinton emails. Trump says father of Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination citing National Enquirer. Clinton emails. Trump says laziness is an inherent trait in black people. Clinton emails.
:lol: I seldom fact check. Mostly read the Washington Post and listen to/watch as much as I can of
Morning Joe -- both represent as close to reality as possible as far as I'm concerned. . I say that because of where I live and my work. And finally, I have to admit I am addicted to the whole sorry mess of politics right now. :rolleyes:
How many times have certain of us said that Trump's primary voter base consists of garden-variety bigots? This is a black church in Mississippi that was torched. Look what's painted on the side. :rolleyes:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161102112954-hopewell-baptist-mississippi-vandalism-1-exlarge-169.jpg)
Here's a link to the whole story.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/us/mississippi-black-church-vandalized-vote-trump/index.html
Quote from: Locutus on November 02, 2016, 01:51:08 PM
How many times have certain of us said that Trump's primary voter base consists of garden-variety bigots?
If any of Trump's supporters are not racist, it is undeniable that they are at least ok with racism.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 02, 2016, 02:43:50 PM
If any of Trump's supporters are not racist, it is undeniable that they are at least ok with racism.
Exactly. They can't deny it to any logical, thinking individual.
Oh no, not math again! (http://politicalorphans.com/everybody-calm-down/) :biggrin:
:rotfl:
Well I do have a degree in math. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 02, 2016, 01:51:08 PM
How many times have certain of us said that Trump's primary voter base consists of garden-variety bigots? This is a black church in Mississippi that was torched. Look what's painted on the side. :rolleyes:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161102112954-hopewell-baptist-mississippi-vandalism-1-exlarge-169.jpg)
:eek:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 02, 2016, 02:43:50 PM
If any of Trump's supporters are not racist, it is undeniable that they are at least ok with racism.
Yes sir! I've been saying that very thing for at least 9 years now. . . And they don't understand. <---There's a fuggin surprise eh? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 02, 2016, 01:51:08 PM
How many times have certain of us said that Trump's primary voter base consists of garden-variety bigots? This is a black church in Mississippi that was torched. Look what's painted on the side. :rolleyes:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161102112954-hopewell-baptist-mississippi-vandalism-1-exlarge-169.jpg)
This saddens and angers me. There is no reason for anyone to do this.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 02, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
This saddens and angers me. There is no reason for anyone to do this.
Only one reason; and it is the same reason that has been prevalent in this country for centuries. . . :'( :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 02, 2016, 07:30:14 PM
Only one reason; and it is the same reason that has been prevalent in this country for centuries. . . :'( :mad:
I don't get it PH. Why hate someone over the color of their skin? I seriously don't understand. :(
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 02, 2016, 07:33:55 PM
I don't get it PH. Why hate someone over the color of their skin? I seriously don't understand. :(
"We" seem to be in the minority on this one, because I never have understood it. Ever. :no:
It has been the subject of many a heated dialog between this poster and a number of my former friends and, sad to say, family.
I respect everyone's right to believe whatever it is that makes them secure and happy. I draw the line when it comes to supporting something that negatively impacts the quality of life of another simply due to one's personal beliefs being imposed upon them. I will NEVER support that.
Ya know, just because "vote Trump" was painted on the church doesn't mean one of his supporters torched it.
Quote from: me on November 02, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
Ya know, just because "vote Trump" was painted on the church doesn't mean one of his supporters torched it.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on November 02, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
Ya know, just because "vote Trump" was painted on the church doesn't mean one of his supporters torched it.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: me on November 02, 2016, 08:55:42 PM
Ya know, just because "vote Trump" was painted on the church doesn't mean one of his supporters torched it.
You're unbelievable.
Okay,
I will make this quick.
Who EVER did it, should be shot and hung.
But it is NOT out of the wildest possibilities, after learning things from wikileaks, that a democrat operative, COULD VERY WELL HAVE done this, with full intentions of implicating a Trump Nutjob.
There is PROOF that they planted people at Trump rallies just to stir shit.
So....yeah.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 03, 2016, 11:37:03 AM
But it is NOT out of the wildest possibilities, after learning things from wikileaks, that a democrat operative, COULD VERY WELL HAVE done this, with full intentions of implicating a Trump Nutjob.
You Trumpanzees get more desperate and more ridiculous with each passing day. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 03, 2016, 01:08:31 PM
You Trumpanzees get more desperate and more ridiculous with each passing day. :rolleyes:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
That explains the shit slinging.
I admit, I am in a quandry this election because I REFUSE to put the neoliberal democrats in office. I wouldn't elect Clinton if my LIFE depended on it...giving W bush another term is not what I WANT for my grandchildren. Clinton is every bit the anti-American worker, pro-privatization, pro-war for profit Bush is...AND she shares the radical right wing fear of communism. She is advocating war with China and Russia.
The one big advantage I can see in Trump over Clinton is that he is impeachable. He doesn't have the same backers Bush had and Clinton shares. Bush should have been impeached numerous times, but money kept him from it. Same holds true for Clinton.
So, I am still the hardcore democratic liberal who canvassed for Bernie and voted for him in the primary, AND wrote him in when I voted early, but I will NOT back Clinton nor those who endorsed her and share her love of making money while in office in the democratic party.
Well one of the two is going to get in. I certainly don't want Trump. He's simply dangerous in my opinion.
Maybe, but he's impeachable.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 03, 2016, 05:15:24 PM
I admit, I am in a quandary this election because I REFUSE to put the neoliberal democrats in office. I wouldn't elect Clinton if my LIFE depended on it...giving W bush another term is not what I WANT for my grandchildren. Clinton is every bit the anti-American worker, pro-privatization, pro-war for profit Bush is...AND she shares the radical right wing fear of communism. She is advocating war with China and Russia.
The one big advantage I can see in Trump over Clinton is that he is impeachable. He doesn't have the same backers Bush had and Clinton shares. Bush should have been impeached numerous times, but money kept him from it. Same holds true for Clinton.
So, I am still the hardcore democratic liberal who canvassed for Bernie and voted for him in the primary, AND wrote him in when I voted early, but I will NOT back Clinton nor those who endorsed her and share her love of making money while in office in the democratic party.
I don't know where you got all of that information, but Buddy you got it all wrong. :yes: Somebody is really been lying to you, Hillary is not all you say she is. Hillary has been questioned and questioned by the best Republican kangaroo hearings, accused on many things she has not done. With all of the lying on her, questioning her for 30 years she has not been found guilty of anything the Republican has said she has done. She is the best vetted, most qualified candidate for president in years and years. :yes: But really think about this, do you really want Donald Trump's finger on the Hydrogen bomb, the atomic bomb trigger, with his short temper. Plus more damaging, pick the Supreme Court judges who will make the rules for us common people, look at all the bad laws the Supreme Court has passed already. Giving corporations the same rights as humanbeings. Just look at the damage it has done in this election. Just open your eyes and see what the super rich (Trump and the other billionaires) has already done.
Think about this, do you want a crook, thief who has been proven to steal money from his workers, old people, who has really grab strange women by the pu$$y ( in his own words) Who is going on trial for raping a 13 year girl. How would you like your wife or girl, family girls and women to be around him alone, by themselves, alone.
A thief who is going on trail for fraud of old people with his fraudulent Trump University.
A guy who lost $1,000,000,000 or one billion dollars in one year and hasn't paid one single dollar in federal tax in at least 8 years. Not one dollar for the military, one dollar for roads, bridges, airports that he lands his private jet airliner. Flies and lands in our air and ground with out paying one dime in federal tax
A man who has committed adultery many times, a man who will lie before he will tell you the truth, like not showing his tax papers so you can see if he has give as much money to charity as he said he has and if he has use his Trump Charity fund for himself and his company. To see if he has done business with Russian billionaires and the Russian government, the same guy that ask Putin and the Russian government hackers to hack American citizens.
Come on man, don't be like Henry and :me:, people who have their head up their ass. Go on YouTube and read the many crooked and bad things has Donald Trump done and then ask yourself.
DO YOU REALLY TRUST TRUMP ENOUGH TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
:4th3:
The answer is NO! Because the Republican Party :zoners:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 03, 2016, 01:08:31 PM
You Trumpanzees get more desperate and more ridiculous with each passing day. :rolleyes:
Why? Seems as though the Trumpanzees, as you put it, are polling ahead and have many more people turning out for their campaign speeches than the Hillary people. Seems to me like the dems are the desperate ones.
Quote from: me on November 03, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
Why? Seems as though the Trumpanzees, as you put it, are polling ahead and have many more people turning out for their campaign speeches than the Hillary people. Seems to me like the dems are the desperate ones.
All I got to say is, there are a lot of people who have been sold a bunch of fucking lies. :angry: I will guarantee that if Trump is elected you are going to see this country take a real bad fall. :yes: The stock market is going to crash and the billionaires are going to make a killing. :yes: :mad: You will see 28 million people lose their health insurance and it will not be replaced with anything. The wall will not be built and this country is going to come to a complete stop. :stop: :stop: And Baby Dolly :gorgeous: you get prepared to shove your head up Trump's ass :mooning: :X: But by then it will be to late. :sarcasm: :@#%&: :blah:
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 03, 2016, 06:43:55 PM
Maybe, but he's impeachable.
He might be impeachable, but the Republican will control the White House and the Supreme Court. :rant: How does that grab you Parker baby. :cry: :cry:
Go out tomorrow and buy the new "News Week" magazine. It has a story why the Russians are supporting Donald Trump. :pigdance: From what I hear, you might not think so much of the Pig Donald. But, I don't know if you can understand it, being on drugs and weed. :haha: :haha: A real Democrat voting for Pig Trump? :angry: There are two other candidates you can split your vote on. Or you can leave the president spot empty, damn, that's a good idea. :idea3: :idea3: :idea3: :idea3: :sweatdrop: :toothless:
So that post brings up a good question surrounding who would assume the presidency should America choose "none of the above" in the upcoming election?
Speaker of the House?
Quote from: me on November 03, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
Why? Seems as though the Trumpanzees, as you put it, are polling ahead and have many more people turning out for their campaign speeches than the Hillary people.
The Trumpanzees have plenty of time to attend rallies because they're like you...they don't work!
Quote from: The Troll on November 03, 2016, 06:54:38 PM
I don't know where you got all of that information, but Buddy you got it all wrong. :yes: Somebody is really been lying to you, Hillary is not all you say she is. Hillary has been questioned and questioned by the best Republican kangaroo hearings, accused on many things she has not done. With all of the lying on her, questioning her for 30 years she has not been found guilty of anything the Republican has said she has done. She is the best vetted, most qualified candidate for president in years and years. :yes: But really think about this, do you really want Donald Trump's finger on the Hydrogen bomb, the atomic bomb trigger, with his short temper. Plus more damaging, pick the Supreme Court judges who will make the rules for us common people, look at all the bad laws the Supreme Court has passed already. Giving corporations the same rights as humanbeings. Just look at the damage it has done in this election. Just open your eyes and see what the super rich (Trump and the other billionaires) has already done.
Think about this, do you want a crook, thief who has been proven to steal money from his workers, old people, who has really grab strange women by the pu$$y ( in his own words) Who is going on trial for raping a 13 year girl. How would you like your wife or girl, family girls and women to be around him alone, by themselves, alone.
A thief who is going on trail for fraud of old people with his fraudulent Trump University.
A guy who lost $1,000,000,000 or one billion dollars in one year and hasn't paid one single dollar in federal tax in at least 8 years. Not one dollar for the military, one dollar for roads, bridges, airports that he lands his private jet airliner. Flies and lands in our air and ground with out paying one dime in federal tax
A man who has committed adultery many times, a man who will lie before he will tell you the truth, like not showing his tax papers so you can see if he has give as much money to charity as he said he has and if he has use his Trump Charity fund for himself and his company. To see if he has done business with Russian billionaires and the Russian government, the same guy that ask Putin and the Russian government hackers to hack American citizens.
Come on man, don't be like Henry and :me:, people who have their head up their ass. Go on YouTube and read the many crooked and bad things has Donald Trump done and then ask yourself.
DO YOU REALLY TRUST TRUMP ENOUGH TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
:4th3:
The answer is NO! Because the Republican Party :zoners:
Yeah, yeah, yeah...the old "Quit picking on the girl. She's innocent." cries of the Clinton campaign. I'm not pro-Trump...I'm anti-Cinton. and MANY of the reasons are the special treatment she is given when others served time for the exact behavior.
She STOLE White House furniture and had to be ORDERED to return it. WHITE HOUSE FURNITURE. Who does that? She has NO moral compass and NO indicator of what's right. She's a pathological liar and her lies now have her on record of lying to Congress. Her continued "I was unaware" SCREAMS this woman is incompetent and could NOT run the White House; hence her selling it to Arabs and Israelis and multinational corporations.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/)
You don't get steeped in controversy regarding the law because you are being "picked on" by the republicans. You get steeped in controversy regarding the law because you are breaking the law.
Tell me this, how many times do you think George W Bush broke the law? Why wasn't HE prosecuted? Want a hint? Because the same rich people backed him.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 03, 2016, 11:44:08 PM
So that post brings up a good question surrounding who would assume the presidency should America choose "none of the above" in the upcoming election?
Speaker of the House?
Write in Bernard Sanders. You CAN do that in Indiana.
Quote from: The Troll on November 03, 2016, 10:49:46 PM
He might be impeachable, but the Republican will control the White House and the Supreme Court. :rant: How does that grab you Parker baby. :cry: :cry:
Go out tomorrow and buy the new "News Week" magazine. It has a story why the Russians are supporting Donald Trump. :pigdance: From what I hear, you might not think so much of the Pig Donald. But, I don't know if you can understand it, being on drugs and weed. :haha: :haha: A real Democrat voting for Pig Trump? :angry: There are two other candidates you can split your vote on. Or you can leave the president spot empty, damn, that's a good idea. :idea3: :idea3: :idea3: :idea3: :sweatdrop: :toothless:
roflmao...the owners of the Daily Beast also own Newsweek. So , you bash the right but read their stuff. My, you are a mix of both parties.
Clinton abused her powers as Secretary of State to make herself rich. Donations to her Foundation gave the ISIS nation of Saudi Arabia weapons permits and Russia Uranium for its nuclear weapons program.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0)
Quote from: me on November 03, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
Why? Seems as though the Trumpanzees, as you put it, are polling ahead and have many more people turning out for their campaign speeches than the Hillary people. Seems to me like the dems are the desperate ones.
Most democrats hate Clinton. And the independents who would have voted for Bernie are now voting for Stein. Clinton went on a campaign to get as many republicans as she could, because the democratic base will not elect her. Clinton shares the same values as republicans.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/09/clinton-campaign-republican-donors-hillary-shares-your-values (http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/09/clinton-campaign-republican-donors-hillary-shares-your-values)
Even Billy extended the austerity programs Reagan put into place.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world (http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world)
Quote from: Exterminator on November 04, 2016, 08:00:00 AM
The Trumpanzees have plenty of time to attend rallies because they're like you...they don't work!
Wow...look at the name-calling.
Clinton ONLY got people to attend when Bernie went out on the trail with her. He's campaigning for REAL democratic values, not her neoliberal ones. Democrats are rejecting her in record numbers. Despite the false polls the corporate media is telling, she will have to steal this election like all neoliberals have by bribing the Electoral College as she did the Democratic headquarters of 33 states.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/ (http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/)
Here's an interesting Newsweek article that speaks to what Exterminator has said regarding Russian interference in the US election. You can bet with certainty that any time the Russians are for someone in an election, the election of that person is in the best interests of Russia, and not the United States.
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895 (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895)
Quote from: Locutus on November 04, 2016, 09:44:11 AM
Here's an interesting Newsweek article that speaks to what Exterminator has said regarding Russian interference in the US election. You can bet with certainty that any time the Russians are for someone in an election, the election of that person is in the best interests of Russia, and not the United States.
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895 (http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895)
Newsweek owns the Daily Beast, so I take this with a grain of salt. But if Russia were to back someone, I think they'd go with the guy NOT talking about bombing them and dragging them into a nuclear war like Clinton is doing. SHE has maintained an abrasive relationship with Russia, despite selling them uranium as Secretary of State. With Clinton, it's all about whatever makes her richer.
Truthout is probably more reliable for my tastes.
http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/37014-could-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-lead-to-war-with-russia#14782672865621&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data= (http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/37014-could-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-lead-to-war-with-russia#14782672865621&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=)
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 04, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
SHE has maintained an abrasive relationship with Russia, despite selling them uranium as Secretary of State.
Just what this forum needs...another whack job who lacks the capacity to fact check anything. :rolleyes:
From Business Insider: (http://www.businessinsider.com/everything-we-know-about-the-hillary-clinton-russia-uranium-scandal-2015-4)
"Even if Clinton had wanted to make sure the sale was approved, it wouldn't have been possible for her to do it on her own. (the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States') is made up of not only the Secretary of State, but also the secretaries of Treasury, Justice, Homeland Security, Commerce, Defense, and Energy, as well as the heads of the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy.
The Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Labor are non-voting members, and CFIUS's work is also observed by representatives of other agencies like the National Security Council and the Office of Management and Budget. The idea that Clinton could have convinced all those officials and all those departments to change their position on the sale, even if she had wanted to, borders on the absurd."
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 04, 2016, 09:48:20 AM
Newsweek owns the Daily Beast, so I take this with a grain of salt. But if Russia were to back someone, I think they'd go with the guy NOT talking about bombing them and dragging them into a nuclear war like Clinton is doing. SHE has maintained an abrasive relationship with Russia, despite selling them uranium as Secretary of State. With Clinton, it's all about whatever makes her richer.
Truthout is probably more reliable for my tastes.
http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/37014-could-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-lead-to-war-with-russia#14782672865621&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data= (http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/37014-could-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-lead-to-war-with-russia#14782672865621&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=)
You know what? I don't give a damn how you vote. :no: You're one of the thousands of dumb-ass Kentucky hillbilly"s :hick: who are voting against their station in life. :spot: You are voting against the Democratic Party that through out the years has helped Kentucky with dams, electricity, unions in the coal mines and in many other ways and you want to throw the Republicans into the White House because of your pure hatred for Hilary Clinton. It's all in your fucked up mind :knife: and by reading what you say, you're no fucking genius. :genius:
By the way if you want to get off you ass and go work, don't come up to Indiana. Because we have to many dumb-ass Trump voters up here. :groan: :nowink: :jc:
Quote from: The Troll on November 04, 2016, 10:33:34 AM
You know what? I don't give a damn how you vote. :no: You're one of the thousands of dumb-ass Kentucky hillbilly"s :hick: who are voting against their station in life. :spot: You are voting against the Democratic Party that through out the years has helped Kentucky with dams, electricity, unions in the coal mines and in many other ways and you want to throw the Republicans into the White House because of your pure hatred for Hilary Clinton. It's all in your fucked up mind :knife: and by reading what you say, you're no fucking genius. :genius:
By the way if you want to get off you ass and go work, don't come up to Indiana. Because we have to many dumb-ass Trump voters up here. :groan: :nowink: :jc:
Actually, Troll, she does live in Indiana. They can keep her. Her hatred for Hillary is all based on fake news reports and then reports that she reads against her. Hillary is less likely to blow us all up than Trump who has stated he would bomb the hell out of people. I would rather have someone who is not going to send us into another war.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 04, 2016, 10:47:39 AM
Actually, Troll, she does live in Indiana. They can keep her. Her hatred for Hillary is all based on fake news reports and then reports that she reads against her. Hillary is less likely to blow us all up than Trump who has stated he would bomb the hell out of people. I would rather have someone who is not going to send us into another war.
You got that right. :thumbsup: I sure thought she was a man. Her talking about all of those poor coal miners :dig: and how Hillary wants to kill coal. :biggrin: Are you sure you don't want the hick :hick: back. Please, please. :haha: :haha: Have a good day in Kentucky. I sure loved fishing in Kentucky Lake, I caught :fish: the biggest Crappy :swim: in my life there. It weighted 3 1/2 pounds. My brother -in-law caught :fish: one Crappy :swim: that weighted 4 1/2 pounds. My, my what good filet's they made. :drool1: :fish: :fish: :swim:
I agree with Cookie in that I would prefer a different candidate. However, I refuse to waste a vote by writing someone in so that it may give Trump a chance to win this election. He's dangerous as hell. I know HRC has faults, but like I've said on here before, there's never been a candidate in my lifetime, or perhaps ever, that's more qualified and ready to step into the position of POTUS than she is.
Quote from: The Troll on November 04, 2016, 11:04:49 AM
You got that right. :thumbsup: I sure thought she was a man. Her talking about all of those poor coal miners :dig: and how Hillary wants to kill coal. :biggrin: Are you sure you don't want the hick :hick: back. Please, please. :haha: :haha: Have a good day in Kentucky. I sure loved fishing in Kentucky Lake, I caught :fish: the biggest Crappy :swim: in my life there. It weighted 3 1/2 pounds. My brother -in-law caught :fish: one Crappy :swim: that weighted 4 1/2 pounds. My, my what good filet's they made. :drool1: :fish: :fish: :swim:
I am pretty sure we don't want her here.
Yes, fishing is always really good in Kentucky.
I wouldn't do a write in vote for anyone as it isn't going to get anyone elected since the defunct electoral college picks the candidate and we need to do away with that and go to popular vote.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 04, 2016, 11:19:26 AM
I wouldn't do a write in vote for anyone as it isn't going to get anyone elected since the defunct electoral college picks the candidate and we need to do away with that and go to popular vote.
No, we do not. There are very valid reasons why we have an electoral college.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 04, 2016, 11:32:09 AM
No, we do not. There are very valid reasons why we have an electoral college.
Maybe but when they announce a winner and the polls aren't even closed yet out west, I find it hard to believe that the electoral college has picked someone that quick.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 04, 2016, 11:57:59 AM
Maybe but when they announce a winner and the polls aren't even closed yet out west, I find it hard to believe that the electoral college has picked someone that quick.
They are able to do so because some states, both red and blue, aren't even close and once either candidate passes the magical number they need to in order to reach 270 electoral votes, his or her victory is essentially certain. There are enough swing states in the eastern time zone to be able to accurately predict the outcome of the election based on them alone.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 04, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
They are able to do so because some states, both red and blue, aren't even close and once either candidate passes the magical number they need to in order to reach 270 electoral votes, his or her victory is essentially certain. There are enough swing states in the eastern time zone to be able to accurately predict the outcome of the election based on them alone.
Okay.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 04, 2016, 10:47:39 AM
Actually, Troll, she does live in Indiana. They can keep her. Her hatred for Hillary is all based on fake news reports and then reports that she reads against her. Hillary is less likely to blow us all up than Trump who has stated he would bomb the hell out of people. I would rather have someone who is not going to send us into another war.
My dislike of Hillary goes way back to when Bill was POTUS so it has nothing to do with what's going on currently. I will not vote for her just because she is a woman anymore than I would have voted for Obama just because he was black, which many people did.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 04, 2016, 10:10:06 AM
Just what this forum needs...another whack job who lacks the capacity to fact check anything. :rolleyes:
From Business Insider: (http://www.businessinsider.com/everything-we-know-about-the-hillary-clinton-russia-uranium-scandal-2015-4)
"Even if Clinton had wanted to make sure the sale was approved, it wouldn't have been possible for her to do it on her own. (the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States') is made up of not only the Secretary of State, but also the secretaries of Treasury, Justice, Homeland Security, Commerce, Defense, and Energy, as well as the heads of the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy.
The Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Labor are non-voting members, and CFIUS's work is also observed by representatives of other agencies like the National Security Council and the Office of Management and Budget. The idea that Clinton could have convinced all those officials and all those departments to change their position on the sale, even if she had wanted to, borders on the absurd."
Source checking is something YOU should be doing. This review is pretty clear on what a non-news entity Business Insider really is.
https://www.quora.com/Is-Business-Insider-a-legitimate-news-source (https://www.quora.com/Is-Business-Insider-a-legitimate-news-source)
The owner, Henry Blodget, is a convicted felon from the crimes he did on Wall Street.
http://www.salon.com/2013/12/17/hack_list_no_7_henry_blodget/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/12/17/hack_list_no_7_henry_blodget/)
Quote from: Exterminator on November 04, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
They are able to do so because some states, both red and blue, aren't even close and once either candidate passes the magical number they need to in order to reach 270 electoral votes, his or her victory is essentially certain. There are enough swing states in the eastern time zone to be able to accurately predict the outcome of the election based on them alone.
No, that's the way the sway voters....nothing more. There's no "oh, we didn't mean to tell you not to vote" going on here..it's TOTALLY telling you are calling the election so quit voting.
Quote from: Locutus on November 04, 2016, 11:10:49 AM
I agree with Cookie in that I would prefer a different candidate. However, I refuse to waste a vote by writing someone in so that it may give Trump a chance to win this election. He's dangerous as hell. I know HRC has faults, but like I've said on here before, there's never been a candidate in my lifetime, or perhaps ever, that's more qualified and ready to step into the position of POTUS than she is.
That's hardly an endorsement of her. Look at our candidates since Reagan and how they are all after a few things....fascism, an oligarchy, and policing the world to rape and pillage for the natural resources. ALSO, look at how NONE of them were impeached for their policies EXCEPT Clinton whose policies were apparently "chicks like guys in power and I'm married to HER" ;)
Quote from: The Troll on November 04, 2016, 10:33:34 AM
You know what? I don't give a damn how you vote. :no: You're one of the thousands of dumb-ass Kentucky hillbilly"s :hick: who are voting against their station in life. :spot: You are voting against the Democratic Party that through out the years has helped Kentucky with dams, electricity, unions in the coal mines and in many other ways and you want to throw the Republicans into the White House because of your pure hatred for Hilary Clinton. It's all in your fucked up mind :knife: and by reading what you say, you're no fucking genius. :genius:
By the way if you want to get off you ass and go work, don't come up to Indiana. Because we have to many dumb-ass Trump voters up here. :groan: :nowink: :jc:
I'm originally from Iowa...you know, the creators of the Iowa Test of BAsic skills no child can pass now?
Clinton is a neoliberal and is no more the FDR democrats than Bush was. The party has swung to the right....check it out. Voting for Clinton is voting to DESTROY the middle class.
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/the_democrats_have_no_soul_the_clintons_neoliberalism_and_how_the_peoples_party_lost_its_way/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/the_democrats_have_no_soul_the_clintons_neoliberalism_and_how_the_peoples_party_lost_its_way/)
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 04, 2016, 01:18:34 PM
I'm originally from Iowa...you know, the creators of the Iowa Test of BAsic skills no child can pass now?
Clinton is a neoliberal and is no more the FDR democrats than Bush was. The party has swung to the right....check it out. Voting for Clinton is voting to DESTROY the middle class.
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/the_democrats_have_no_soul_the_clintons_neoliberalism_and_how_the_peoples_party_lost_its_way/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/04/12/the_democrats_have_no_soul_the_clintons_neoliberalism_and_how_the_peoples_party_lost_its_way/)
Case in point surrounding my post within another area to you.
You are propaganda drunk and this proves it.
Clinton will destroy the middle-class? Seriously? What do you think Trump will do? (Rhetorical question). :rolleyes:
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 04, 2016, 01:06:46 PM
That's hardly an endorsement of her. Look at our candidates since Reagan and how they are all after a few things....fascism, an oligarchy, and policing the world to rape and pillage for the natural resources. ALSO, look at how NONE of them were impeached for their policies EXCEPT Clinton whose policies were apparently "chicks like guys in power and I'm married to HER" ;)
I understand what you're saying, but are you really advocating for people, especially those in swing states, to write in someone, or to vote for a third party candidate?
Every write in and third party vote cast, especially in swing states, is one less vote that the egotistical nutjob Trump needs in order to win. Do you really want to see a Trump presidency and your very own religi-nut governor advising him on Supreme Court nominees?
If a gun were held to your head, and you had to make a choice between Hilary and Trump, which would it be?
And here's something else to read considering Trump going around shooting off his mouth about our defense of NATO allies.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/03/opinions/next-world-war-andelman/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/03/opinions/next-world-war-andelman/index.html)
Quote from: Locutus on November 04, 2016, 03:11:10 PM
If a gun were held to your head, and you had to make a choice between Hilary and Trump, which would it be?
Hillary in a seconds notice!! without a fucking doubt..(sorry). If it was Ronald McDonald and Hillary, the Clown would win!
Okay, for my political rant of the day..........why didn't the democrats put up MORE than two others during the primary season.....it was GIVEN to Hillary. If they had put up ANYONE other than Hillary, it would have probably been a shoo in....as it is now....and you can quote me.......Hillary WILL BE indicted.
Film at 11.
She isn't going to be indicted. I'd be willing to fly there to Indiana and bet a steak dinner on it. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 04, 2016, 04:00:46 PM
She isn't going to be indicted. I'd be willing to fly there to Indiana and bet a steak dinner on it. ;D
Maybe, but........
Baier gives more details to Fox News Channel's Brit Hume.
Transcript:
BRET BAIER: Here's the deal: We talked to two separate sources with intimate knowledge of the FBI investigations. One: The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far... Several offices separately have been doing their own investigations.
Two: The immunity deal that Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson, two top aides to Hillary Clinton, got from the Justice Department in which it was beleived that the laptops they had, after a narrow review for classified materials, were going to be destroyed. We have been told that those have not been destroyed -- they are at the FBI field office here on Washington and are being exploited. .
Three: The Clinton Foundation investigation is so expansive, they have interviewed and re-interviewed many people. They described the evidence they have as 'a lot of it' and said there is an 'avalanche coming in every day.' WikiLeaks and the new emails.
They are "actively and aggressively pursuing this case." Remember the Foundation case is about accusations of pay-for-play... They are taking the new information and some of them are going back to interview people for the third time. As opposed to what has been written about the Clinton Foundation investigation, it is expansive.
The classified e-mail investigation is being run by the National Security division of the FBI. They are currently combing through Anthony Weiner's laptop. They are having some success -- finding what they believe to be new emaisls, not duplicates, that have been transported through Hillary Clinton's server.
Finally, we learned there is a confidence from these sources that her server had been hacked. And that it was a 99% accuracy that it had been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that things had been taken from that...
There has been some angst about Attorney General Loretta Lynch -- what she has done or not done. She obviously did not impanel, or go to a grand jury at the beginning. They also have a problem, these sources do, with what President Obama said today and back in October of 2015...
I pressed again and again on this very issue... The investigations will continue, there is a lot of evidence. And barring some obstruction in some way, they believe they will continue to likely an indictment.
I KNEW that shit came from Fux News.
C'mon!! Steak dinner! :big grin:
Here we go again, dumb-ass Henry quoting word and word from Fox News. :puke: I say, I say Bird Boy you sure don't have any pride or sense. :chick: :mooning:
Trump is under investigation on a number of fronts, with indictments pending or hearings scheduled for November and December of this year. Then there are the 75+ other lawsuits that have yet to be scheduled. . .
That doesn't matter though does it? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 04, 2016, 04:35:38 PM
I KNEW that shit came from Fux News.
C'mon!! Steak dinner! :big grin:
I think they have a better record of reporting the "News" than any OTHER TV "News"....just sayin.....
While I'm on it, I have one more "opinion piece that is interesting........
Was Huma Abedin hiding Hillary's supposedly "missing laptop "in her apartment in order to keep it away from the FBI -- not to protect Weiner, but to protect Hillary? Is the laptop that was seized in the FBI sweep of the Abedin/ Weiner apartment as part of the Weiner criminal probe the one that belonged to Hillary? A laptop that's been missing for 2 years.
It sure seems like it.
Has the case of the missing laptop been solved?
That's Hillary's worst nightmare.
The laptop has been "missing" for two years and Clinton and her aides claim that they have no idea where it is.
But a week ago, the FBI announced that there were 650,000 emails on the device seized from Weiner including thousands to and from Huma and Hillary regarding State Department matters.
Why would they be on a laptop that belonged to Weiner?
And last night, CBS News reported that the FBI discovered State Department emails on the laptop seized from Anthony Weiner. These emails are new to the FBI, not duplicates, and were never turned over to FBI.
There was good reason for Clinton to hide the laptop. It contained ALL of the Hillary Clinton emails that were originally on her personal serve when she worked in the State Department. It had not yet been picked clean yet because no one knew it existed. That laptop housed the 33,000 emails designated as "personal" that Hillary never turned over to the State Dept. and claimed to delete. The story of its alleged disappearance is laughable.
Someone has had the "missing" laptop for the past two years. And that someone had to be one of Hillary's most trusted aides. Huma Abedin would be at the top of that list.
Was the laptop one that was not owned by Anthony Weiner and was, unfortunately for Hillary and Huma, just caught up in the sweep?
It's Hillary's worst nightmare.
Here's how the emails got on the laptop:
After leaving the State Dept., Clinton aide Monica Hanley downloaded all of Hillary's emails from the Chappaqua server onto a laptop to use as a reference for a future book. They were supposed to go to the Clinton homes, but Hanley says she forgot to hand them over. Much later, Hanley claims to have discovered the laptop in her apartment and sent it to Platte River so they could download the files onto the new server.
That's where it gets interesting. Platte River sent it to someone by mail, (not identified by FBI) but it was later LOST. Hanley suggested that it arrived when the Clinton office was moving and got lost in the shuffle.
Seriously? Are they all ditzes?
The FBI recovered over 17,000 new deleted emails. And now they've recovered more on Weiner's computer.
It's never been clear who actually owns the computer.
But what's missing is the original laptop with ALL of the emails on it.
So was it hidden in the Abedin-Weiner apartment and picked up serendipitously by the FBI?
It's very likely. And that's bad news for Hillary.
The only question is whether we get the answer before Election Day.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 04, 2016, 01:38:05 PM
Case in point surrounding my post within another area to you.
You are propaganda drunk and this proves it.
Clinton will destroy the middle-class? Seriously? What do you think Trump will do? (Rhetorical question). :rolleyes:
Yes, I am serious she will destroy the middle class. She and Billy got a head start signing NAFTA into law when, if Billy were to have been a democrat and Hillary one as well,they would have vetoed it and let the republicans take blame.
While Secretary of State, Clinton worked on behalf of 60 corporations to get their businesses in 60 different countries; taking jobs from the American workers. She also pushed fracking onto Europe and most of those nations have kicked out Cheney and his crew of frackers.
She endorsed the TPP as the "gold Standard" of trade deals when she was Secretary of State. THEN she lied in campaigning saying she didn't know what was in it, all the time claiming to be kept abreast of what was going on in Syria.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpLQzeCoNnA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpLQzeCoNnA)
I know how you hate references to her from media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySYYHzj3evY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySYYHzj3evY)
Which Clinton do you think you'll end up with?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAPY9k_TCvc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAPY9k_TCvc)
Quote from: Palehorse on November 04, 2016, 04:37:31 PM
Trump is under investigation on a number of fronts, with indictments pending or hearings scheduled for November and December of this year. Then there are the 75+ other lawsuits that have yet to be scheduled. . .
That doesn't matter though does it? :rolleyes:
Well, I don't know, but I don't think Trump is under possible investigation by the FBI. And it is looking more and more like Hillary may very well be.
THAT does indeed mater to me.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 04, 2016, 04:37:31 PM
Trump is under investigation on a number of fronts, with indictments pending or hearings scheduled for November and December of this year. Then there are the 75+ other lawsuits that have yet to be scheduled. . .
That doesn't matter though does it? :rolleyes:
Depends..what's he being indicted for? Money laundering funds from a "Foundation" to his PAC? Giving Uranium to Russia in exchange for bribes to a Foundation? Giving weapons permits to the ISIS nation of Saudi Arabia after receiving bribes to a foundation? How about election fraud?
What are his charges? The same things that got Billy impeached?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 04, 2016, 04:39:50 PM
Well, I don't know, but I don't think Trump is under possible investigation by the FBI. And it is looking more and more like Hillary may very well be.
THAT does indeed mater to me.
She'll get out of it. She has the money backing Bush had. HE should have been impeached and charged with war crimes along with Obama...but the rich like their puppets,so they remain protected.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 04, 2016, 04:42:34 PM
She'll get out of it. She has the money backing Bush had. HE should have been impeached and charged with war crimes along with Obama...but the rich like their puppets,so they remain protected.
:nta: :kazz: :hick:
Ludicrous. Simply ludicrous!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 01:40:31 PM
FBI reopens investigation into Clinton email use
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 28, 2016, 01:58:53 PM
Hillary is shitting herself...
Uh, no. :rolleyes: Comey hasn't changed his mind. No charges.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/06/politics/comey-tells-congress-fbi-has-not-changed-conclusions/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/06/politics/comey-tells-congress-fbi-has-not-changed-conclusions/index.html)
Quote from: Exterminator on October 28, 2016, 02:38:53 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble...I'm sure your little inch-high private eye was standing at attention. :biggrin:
From that article:
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July," Comey said in the letter to top Republicans on the House Oversight Committee.
I guess that puts Comey back on the Republicans' shit list. ;D
Wonder what the Donald is going to say about this now? :rotfl:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 04, 2016, 09:41:16 PM
Ludicrous. Simply ludicrous!
Are you saying Bush had NO impeachable offenses while in office?
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 06, 2016, 05:07:14 PM
Are you saying Bush had NO impeachable offenses while in office?
I am not inclined to answer you; as I have already previously stated.
I said what I said and I stand by it.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 06, 2016, 05:50:41 PM
I am not inclined to answer you; as I have already previously stated.
I said what I said and I stand by it.
Well :hogslop: Trump is going to make it. :@#%&: :dam: :sarcasm: He's is going to get through the election without showing his tax forms. :angry: :mad: :mad: :liar2: :repub: :zoners: :@#%&: :dam:
Quote from: Locutus on November 06, 2016, 04:27:23 PM
Wonder what the Donald is going to say about this now? :rotfl:
He'll say that the FBI, who were corrupt until they weren't, are now corrupt again. :biggrin:
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 04, 2016, 04:42:34 PM
HE should have been impeached and charged with war crimes along with Obama...
WTF? With what war crimes should Obama have been charged?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 07, 2016, 08:30:32 AM
WTF? With what war crimes should Obama have been charged?
Exterminator, can you believe it, can you believe it. :doh: This dumb-ass says she is a Democrat and she want to impeach Obama. :doh: I can't believe she is smart enough to wipe her ass after she takes a shit. :doh: :doh: :doh:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 07, 2016, 08:30:32 AM
WTF? With what war crimes should Obama have been charged?
Rendition. He kept that going in foreign countries while stopping water boarding at Gitmo.
Quote from: The Troll on November 07, 2016, 10:18:36 AM
Exterminator, can you believe it, can you believe it. :doh: This dumb-ass says she is a Democrat and she want to impeach Obama. :doh: I can't believe she is smart enough to wipe her ass after she takes a shit. :doh: :doh: :doh:
Obama is a neoliberal, NOT a democrat. And truth be known, I want ALL neoliberals out of the democratic party.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 12:43:02 PM
Rendition. He kept that going in foreign countries while stopping water boarding at Gitmo.
Prove it.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 07, 2016, 12:54:37 PM
Prove it.
No problem....please return the request from me to you.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4425135/Barack-Obama-to-allow-anti-terror-rendition-to-continue.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4425135/Barack-Obama-to-allow-anti-terror-rendition-to-continue.html)
QuoteDespite ordering the closure of Guantanamo and an end to harsh interrogation techniques, the new president has failed to call an end to secret abductions and questioning.
In his first few days in office, Mr Obama was lauded for rejecting policies of the George W Bush era, but it has emerged the CIA still has the authority to carry out renditions in which suspects are picked up and often sent to a third country for questioning.
The practice caused outrage at the EU, after it was revealed the CIA had used secret prisons in Romania and Poland and airports such as Prestwick in Scotland to conduct up to 1,200 rendition flights. The European Parliament called renditions "an illegal instrument used by the United States".
There's been no retraction of it I have heard of to date.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 03:34:05 PM
No problem....please return the request from me to you.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4425135/Barack-Obama-to-allow-anti-terror-rendition-to-continue.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4425135/Barack-Obama-to-allow-anti-terror-rendition-to-continue.html)
There's been no retraction of it I have heard of to date.
Your article was published 12 days after Obama took office.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/175/end-the-use-of-torture/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/175/end-the-use-of-torture/)
Quote from: Exterminator on November 07, 2016, 03:53:29 PM
Your article was published 12 days after Obama took office.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/175/end-the-use-of-torture/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/175/end-the-use-of-torture/)
Your article is inconclusive, albeit written two years after my article.
QuoteThe task force will also study and evaluate the transfer of prisoners to other nations, a process known as "extreme rendition." The task force is given six months to finish its work, with a possibility of extension.
The order, worth reading in its entirety, also says the CIA shall not operate detention centers and should close "as expeditiously as possible" any centers it now operates. The International Committee of the Red Cross, an independent monitoring organization, should also be given timely access to prisoners, the order states.
Obama has taken the first step toward fulfilling this promise, but there are still details to be worked out. So for now, we're moving this one to In the Works.
24 more hours of this malarky and then we can go back to commercials about feminine hygiene, erectile disfunction, and toilet bowl cleaners. :biggrin:
Then the 4 years of caterwauling will begin from the losers. . . :rolleyes:
Yeppers! I can't WAIT until this is over.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 09, 2016, 05:15:36 PM
I'm going with 53 pages by the time the election is decided.
With less than 24 hours to go my prediction appears to be a tad over the reality at this point in time. So get busy blabbermouths! :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 05:32:17 PM
Yeppers! I can't WAIT until this is over.
You, me, and millions of others to say the least. :yes:
We need 7 more pages on this topic in order to get it to 53 pages.
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I'm going to yap on it tomorrow night so we can push it over the top!
Locutus will be LIVE here on election night. ;D We can push it over the top if others join me.
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 05:36:46 PM
I'm going to yap on it tomorrow night so we can push it over the top!
Locutus will be LIVE here on election night. ;D We can push it over the top if others join me.
All right....live commentary from someone NOT being paid to report BS.....well, wait...NOT reporting BS....NOR being paid to report BS..... :confused:
I really am tired of these ads. My stars...they say NOTHING that will help us understand the platforms of the candidates and all it is is about bashing the other guy.....
Yeah, feminine hygiene commercials sound downright relaxing....
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 05:36:46 PM
I'm going to yap on it tomorrow night so we can push it over the top!
Locutus will be LIVE here on election night. ;D We can push it over the top if others join me.
And I likely will be here as well; about an hour after the polls close. :yes:
Keeping the page going, I 'm going to go to sleep...it's like new years....I don't need to greet it in to change the luck we will all have in the new year....
We have NO chance of getting a better economy with either choice...so in the end, what does it matter if I stay up and know or wake up and be depressed?
TRUMP Nesting Dolls are on sale in Russia. :rolleyes:
Wonder if they have a Sarah Palin doll on sale too. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Wonder if they have a Sarah Palin doll on sale too. ;D
I know for one sure, I am not going to converse with ParkerDivine. :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: I have got to put my head back on straight after hearing all of her illogical and brainless bullshit. WOW! What bullshit. :bs: :bsflag: can she put out. :haha: :haha: I am taking a vacation away from her for a while. :island: :koolaid:
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Wonder if they have a Sarah Palin doll on sale too. ;D
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Quote from: The Troll on November 07, 2016, 06:43:16 PM
I know for one sure, I am not going to converse with ParkerDivine. :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: I have got to put my head back on straight after hearing all of her illogical and brainless bullshit. WOW! What bullshit. :bs: :bsflag: can she put out. :haha: :haha: I am taking a vacation away from her for a while. :island: :koolaid:
Suits me fine, The Troll. I prefer people who understand what is going on from an in depth research into the issues. Neoliberals are the Clintons who called themselves the "New Democrats" and it's basically referred to as "Whyare we letting the republicans be the ONLY ones who get rich in office?"
It's okay, though. Trying to discuss without bias and with an informed background is hard. It's also rare.
Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Wonder if they have a Sarah Palin doll on sale too. ;D
Maybe it's a voodoo doll.....would THAT be fun.... :icon_twisted: :yes:
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
Trying to discuss without bias and with an informed background is hard. It's also rare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) :rolleyes:
Hannity sums it all up for me with this statement....
"It's a choice between Donald J. Trump, a candidate who says he'll drain the swamp in Washington and bring about real change, or Hillary Clinton, the most corrupt career politician who's ever run for this office." – Sean Hannity
I can't wait to see that douchebag crying crocodile tears in the coming days. :big grin:
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 08:27:27 AM
I can't wait to see that douchebag crying crocodile tears in the coming days. :big grin:
You mean Henry? :biggrin:
Although I differ with Hank politically, I don't think he's a douchebag. ;D
Sean Hannity, however, is definitely a douchebag. :yes:
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
I prefer people who understand what is going on from an in depth research into the issues.
Well that certainly lets you out!
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
Neoliberals are the Clintons who called themselves the "New Democrats" and it's basically referred to as "Whyare we letting the republicans be the ONLY ones who get rich in office?"
Get a clue: Neoliberalism
Neoliberalism (neo-liberalism)[1] refers primarily to the 20th century resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2]:7 These include extensive economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to enhance the role of the private sector in the economy.Since you don't recognize that, it's Libertarianism. Do you know who embraces it? Obviously not the Democrats in general; the Repugs/CONservatives/Toilet Paper Party are the ones who have taken it to heart and use it as their guiding light.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
Trying to discuss without bias and with an informed background is hard. It's also rare.
So rare that it's non-existent from you.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 08, 2016, 07:56:04 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) :rolleyes:
Ain't that the F'n truth!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 08, 2016, 08:15:58 AM
Hannity sums it all up for me with this statement....
"It's a choice between Donald J. Trump, a candidate who says he'll drain the swamp in Washington and bring about real change, or Hillary Clinton, the most corrupt career politician who's ever run for this office." – Sean Hannity
Hank, you know I like you, but that BS just shows how inherently stupid you are when it comes to things like politics etc.. :rolleyes:
As I've continually pointed out, Drumpf - if he's elected - cannot "drain the swamp" as it's beyond the president's purview - just like practically everything else he's promised you willing, gullible, idiots.
Drumpf doesn't even have the sense or education - or willingness to educate himself - to learn about the powers of the job he's asking you idjits to elect him to.
And once again, the Clintons are THE most investigated politicians in history and there has never either a conviction or evidence of any crimes. That just makes you, Hannity, and all the rest of you RW/Toilet Paper Party who continue to spew that crap just plain liars.
If you want someone corrupt, you'd better take a look at Drumpf's history.
Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 03:34:05 PM
No problem....please return the request from me to you.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4425135/Barack-Obama-to-allow-anti-terror-rendition-to-continue.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4425135/Barack-Obama-to-allow-anti-terror-rendition-to-continue.html)
There's been no retraction of it I have heard of to date.
That's just like you to look for and use a link making an assumption and you run with it making assumptions of your own.
If you had any sense, you'd know a denial or a repudiation would not mean the Bush practice would stop.
On the other hand, the lack of a denial or a repudiation does not mean the Bush practice was going to be continued.
Ergo, unless you have concrete evidence that proves to a reasonable person that Bush's practice of 'extreme rendition' has continued under Obama, you're just talking out your arse as usual.
Ya' know, it's gotten to the point that it just pizzes me off when people complain about 'term limits' and 'draining the swamp' because both of those are directly in the hands of the voters every time a congress person runs for re-election...
...and yet the same people that are always complaining re-elect the same ole' same ole' every election and expect differing results.
Now what was that common definition of insanity?
One of my friends posted this very appropriate statement on Facebook:
This is the last thing I'm going to say regarding this whole election so if we're friends and you're still somehow undecided just give this a read. Tomorrow is Election Day. I know this election is difficult so I'm going to try and make the decision easier for you. If you hate both candidates, choose an issue that means something to you and vote for that.
Personally,
-I'm voting for the environment.
-I'm voting for our education system.
-I'm voting for women's reproductive rights.
-I'm voting for gun legislation reform.
-I'm voting for fair treatment of immigrants.
-I'm voting for LGBT rights.
-I'm voting for equality across the board.
...and these are just some reasons why I personally voted for our Democratic nominee. You don't have to like her guys, I sure don't, but she supports issues that affect every woman in our lives, every child in our lives, every immigrant in our lives, and every gay person in our lives. Most importantly she believes in climate change (scientific fact) and acknowledges it as an issue that affects everyone. The other candidate thinks it's a hoax and that alone is a huge red flag for me.
Ugh, Sandro "but I don't vote", "the whole thing is rigged", "I've got an askew, cynical view of the world and hate the whole process". If you stay home and don't vote the things I listed above are just some of the issues at stake in this election. The next President is going to appoint Supreme Court judges. Their decisions are felt across the country. Don't be one of the people that say "voting doesn't affect me so who cares". It does, I promise you in some way, shape or form the choices you're letting other people make for you will affect you and your loved ones. That's a fact.
To my friends that are disillusioned with the Democratic Party and want to vote third party. I feel your pain but this is not an election you want to gamble on. Trump stands against a lot of the causes you guys support. Everything I listed above is in danger of being reversed or have their budget slashed under a Trump presidency. There is a time and place for action and I will be by you all when that time comes, but this is not the way or time to go about it. Vote Blue now and let's work these next four years to build up support for your third party nominees and parties. You can't expect the presidency if you're just throwing Hail Mary's every 4 years. Let's do this right.
Anyways, that's all I got to say.
Oh I lied!
FLORIDA:
NO on Amendment 1
YES on Amendment 2
Now that's it. Later.
Quote from: Y on November 08, 2016, 09:58:04 AM
Ya' know, it's gotten to the point that it just pizzes me off when people complain about 'term limits' and 'draining the swamp' because both of those are directly in the hands of the voters every time a congress person runs for re-election...
...and yet the same people that are always complaining re-elect the same ole' same ole' every election and expect differing results.
Now what was that common definition of insanity?
Yep! That's something I've never understood myself.
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 10:03:47 AM
One of my friends posted this very appropriate statement on Facebook: ...
This election is as important to those of us who don't want our lives to be held hostage by the sub-100 IQ and authoritarian crowd as any we've ever seen.
We're staring straight into the face of having a psychopathic, authoritarian, neanderthal (and that's an insult to Neanderthals), would be dictator elected to the highest office in the land and his like to all the down ballot offices.
We can't afford to be lackadaisical this election cycle!
Well that sucks, a friend of mine just went to vote and was told that as of two weeks ago he was no longer registered to vote. What's up with that? He's pissed and has every right to be.
AFAIK, he can force them to let him vote with something that close to election.
Of course, if he's going to vote Repug, he may as well not bother with it. :razz:
:biggrin:
Quote from: me on November 08, 2016, 10:44:52 AM
Well that sucks, a friend of mine just went to vote and was told that as of two weeks ago he was no longer registered to vote. What's up with that? He's pissed and has every right to be.
Funny how you act when the worm turns on one of your friends instead of those nasty negros, eh? :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 10:52:36 AM
Funny how you act when the worm turns on one of your friends instead of those nasty negros, eh? :wink:
Ain't that tha' truth!
RWrs only seem to complain when it's their ox being gored. The hell with anyone else being disenfranchised.
People who will not join parties but prefer to carry the label "Independent": create this cesspool of candidates the rich give us. JOIN a party and fight from within. A long battle which has been done before.
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 10:52:36 AM
Funny how you act when the worm turns on one of your friends instead of those nasty negros, eh? :wink:
Touché!
Quote from: Exterminator on November 08, 2016, 01:29:08 PM
Touché!
I wonder if he showed his photo ID and why it didn't help. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 10:52:36 AM
Funny how you act when the worm turns on one of your friends instead of those nasty negros, eh? :wink:
Uh, what does that have to do with anything?
Quote from: Y on November 08, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
AFAIK, he can force them to let him vote with something that close to election.
Of course, if he's going to vote Repug, he may as well not bother with it. :razz:
:biggrin:
I just checked his thread and there are others the same thing has happened to. One couple moved a few months back, both registered with their new address, she was allowed to vote but he wasn't. None of these people have stated their political affiliation btw, I do know what my friends is though.
Quote from: me on November 08, 2016, 03:24:35 PM
Uh, what does that have to do with anything?
Clueless. :big grin:
Polls close in Florida and other early states in 1 hour and 45 minutes.
Get ready for a wild evening!
Hank better have that steak dinner waiting on me when I visit Indiana. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 05:15:30 PM
Polls close in Florida and other early states in 1 hour and 45 minutes.
Get ready for a wild evening!
Hank better have that steak dinner waiting on me when I visit Indiana. ;D
They are closed in the eastern time zone and I am home now. . .
Very soon the other kind of caterwauling will begin! :icon_twisted: :biggrin:
I'm going to be here on the Zone all night. You with me? ;D
I'm counting on that steak dinner from Hank. :razz:
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 07:04:01 PM
I'm going to be here on the Zone all night. You with me? ;D
I'm counting on that steak dinner from Hank. :razz:
I'm hanging. . .
I'm also betting that the steak dinner will be at Ponderosa. . . :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 07:05:18 PM
I'm also betting that the steak dinner will be at Ponderosa. . . :biggrin:
:mad:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 07:06:00 PM
:mad:
:biggrin:
St Elmo's would be far better. . . Only 30 minute drive from the airport. :yes:
Never heard of that one. I'll have to look it up.
I watched a 97 year old man cast his vote today. 97 years old. The first POTUS he voted for was Franklin D. Roosevelt. :spooked:
I felt old until I talked to him about voting. :big grin:
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 07:08:21 PM
Never heard of that one. I'll have to look it up.
http://www.stelmos.com/menu/ (http://www.stelmos.com/menu/)
I highly recommend that you get the shrimp cocktail there. :yes: It will open every square centimeter of your sinus cavities in order to allow you to properly smell and taste whatever cut of steak you order and enjoy it all the more. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 07:14:14 PM
http://www.stelmos.com/menu/ (http://www.stelmos.com/menu/)
I highly recommend that you get the shrimp cocktail there. :yes: It will open every square centimeter of your sinus cavities in order to allow you to properly smell and taste whatever cut of steak you order and enjoy it all the more. :yes:
Tell Hank to get his credit card ready. ;D
Trump wins Kentucky and Indiana, Clinton takes Vermont. . . :spooked:
That was pretty much expected. Polls are closed in the most populous areas of Florida and in the entire state of Virginia.
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 07:20:57 PM
That was pretty much expected. Polls are closed in the most populous areas of Florida and in the entire state of Virginia.
My husband is following the results on the computer and said Florida is too close to call. I am surprised Kentucky went Trump since for years we have been a Democrat state. We have an idiot for a governor.
Florida presently shows Clinton in the lead.
But Trump also got West Virginia and is leading in Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia as well.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 07:39:23 PM
Florida presently shows Clinton in the lead.
But Trump also got West Virginia and is leading in Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia as well.
North Carolina shows Trump leading too. . . :spooked:
You can't tell too much from these really early results as they typically come from rural areas where there aren't as many votes to count.
Rural areas also tend to be Trump areas.
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 07:42:25 PM
Rural areas also tend to be Trump areas.
Definitely the case in rural Indiana. . .
Damn. . . I may have to move. . . to another state! :mad:
Florida just gave the lead to trump too. . . :eek:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 07:45:14 PM
Florida just gave the lead to trump too. . . :eek:
I'm not worried.
Ohio shows Trump in the lead. . . But South Carolina just gave the Lead to Clinton. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 07:51:02 PM
Ohio shows Trump in the lead. . . But South Carolina just gave the Lead to Clinton. . .
South Carolina went to Trump
Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, and Illinois all to Clinton
So are Rhode Island, Delaware, and DC. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 08:01:48 PM
Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, and Illinois all to Clinton
So are Rhode Island, Delaware, and DC. ;D
With just under 22% reporting in Ohio, Clinton leads there.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 08:57:53 PM
With just under 22% reporting in Ohio, Clinton leads there.
And now she's down by 6%. . .
How so many Americans can vote for this guy is astonishing to me. He will completely eliminate the middle class by the end of his term if he wins.
:eek:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 09:16:26 PM
And now she's down by 6%. . .
How so many Americans can vote for this guy is astonishing to me. He will completely eliminate the middle class by the end of his term if he wins.
:eek:
No government or military experience what so ever. Simply astonishing. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 09:16:26 PM
And now she's down by 6%. . .
How so many Americans can vote for this guy is astonishing to me. He will completely eliminate the middle class by the end of his term if he wins.
:eek:
Bet she's havin' a cow every time they call one for Trump.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 09:16:26 PM
And now she's down by 6%. . .
How so many Americans can vote for this guy is astonishing to me. He will completely eliminate the middle class by the end of his term if he wins.
:eek:
It is beyond me. :no: :no: The man lied and lied all through the primary. He has the lowest opinion of women. :yes: :yes: He know nothing about how a international country is ran, know much about any thing but lying. And he a is not a billionaire, he has not show his tax return, payed no federal taxes. :rant: Yet, the dumb-ass middle class and poor American Hillbillies have voted for him. :groan:
All I got to say is, if he wins, the next 4 years will not be very pretty. :spot:
Trump will make this country the laughing stock of the planet. :mad:
And it appears the party of No will be the puppet-masters behind his administration. :mad:
Rip the plaque off the pedestal of Lady Liberty that reads:
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
This will be nothing but a lie . . . starting Jan. 20, 2017. That "Golden Door" will be plated w 10k imitation Gold. . .
Quote from: The Troll on November 08, 2016, 09:31:12 PM
It is beyond me. :no: :no: The man lied and lied all through the primary. He has the lowest opinion of women. :yes: :yes: He know nothing about how a international country is ran, know much about any thing but lying. And he a is not a billionaire, he has not show his tax return, payed no federal taxes. :rant: Yet, the dumb-ass middle class and poor American Hillbillies have voted for him. :groan:
All I got to say is, if he wins, the next 4 years will not be very pretty. :spot:
If he wins this country will become a 3rd world country for the majority of us. :spooked:
AP is saying Trump won Florida. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 09:37:26 PM
Trump will make this country the laughing stock of the planet. :mad:
And it appears the party of No will be the puppet-masters behind his administration. :mad:
I think he's been beat to the punch on that one. :wink:
Quote from: me on November 08, 2016, 11:06:35 PM
I think he's been beat to the punch on that one. :wink:
Hardly. . . :roll eyes:
But you'll see if he wins. . . :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 11:01:51 PM
AP is saying Trump won Florida. . . :spooked:
And Ohio. . . :spooked:
Clinton appears to have Cali. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 11:22:03 PM
Clinton appears to have Cali. . .
And Virginia and the "Other Weed State", Colorado. :biggrin:
In fact, some media are now calling the entire left coast for Clinton. :yes:
(Come on folks. I can't do this alone. I'd be cheating dammit!) :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 11:32:53 PM
And Virginia and the "Other Weed State", Colorado. :biggrin:
Didn't realize that was their new state motto! ;D
I'm hoping PA will do me proud and go blue.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 08, 2016, 11:37:12 PM
Didn't realize that was their new state motto! ;D
Well, you know. . . It's a popular phrase amongst those left hand cigarette folks. . . :big grin:
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 08, 2016, 11:38:29 PM
I'm hoping PA will do me proud and go blue.
Me too! :yes:
Florida just fell to the guy with the cat on his head. . . :icon_evil:
232-209 For the Americanized Putin. :mad:
It appears she basically has to win everything outstanding to claim victory. . . :spooked:
If she wins it appears she will face a repug controlled House and Senate. . . (More gridlock :mad: )
:mad:
This is an ugly underbelly of America being exposed.
Indeed it is.
People believe that mudslinging correlates to ability to manage an office, department, or country.
:mad:
The stock markets domestically and abroad are already tanking over a possible Trump win.
Say goodbye to a bunch of your 401k and retirement investment accounts folks. They will be the first hit. . . :mad:
All he needs is a win in PA and one other state and it seals the deal for Rump. . . :mad:
So many people logged onto Canada's immigration web site that it crashed this evening. :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2016, 12:28:44 AM
All he needs is a win in PA and one other state and it seals the deal for Rump. . . :mad:
Looks like he's going to win.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2016, 12:35:47 AM
So many people logged onto Canada's immigration web site that it crashed this evening. :spooked:
I just saw that! But how serious do you think those people are? I don't think many will follow through.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 09, 2016, 12:38:45 AM
I just saw that! But how serious do you think those people are? I don't think many will follow through.
A lot of the individuals with wealth are likely among them. Those at a minimum are serious.
6 states outstanding and he is leading in all but one of them. :eek:
I finally figured out why you're posting so much on this thread, Palehorse. Remember saying this?
Quote from: Palehorse on June 09, 2016, 05:15:36 PM
I'm going with 53 pages by the time the election is decided.
Keep going, you can get us to page 53! :rotfl:
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 09, 2016, 01:01:03 AM
I finally figured out why you're posting so much on this thread, Palehorse. Remember saying this?
Keep going, you can get us to page 53! :rotfl:
Yup, which explains my earlier post about "cheating". :biggrin:
The ironic thing about this evening is the fact that Trump is leading within a system that he has accused of being rigged.
The GOP has the control of the house and are just 3 votes from controlling the senate. All of which means that the GOP will rule this nation with an iron fist and all of the initiatives they've been squalling for over the last decade will very likely be implemented.
The ramifications for the future of this nation, and for the quality of life for the middle-class here are insidious. :spooked:
Clinton loses PA and she loses the election; and it appears we will have to wait until dawn to find out the final results. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2016, 01:03:07 AM
Yup, which explains my earlier post about "cheating". :biggrin:
:spooked: :biggrin:
I'll help you along. I need to get my count up so I can make Zone Loyalist. :wink:
6 million + US Citizens will lose their healthcare sometime next year. A ton of people, including those who voted the GOP into office, will find themselves homeless and in financial ruin over the in progress tanking of the domestic and world markets. Moreover, we've already seen what the GOP does in situations like this to it's under 250k a year citizens; screw them.
Further and accelerated erosion of this nations social safety nets will become reality and as it does more and more middle class families will find themselves on the street; homeless, hungry, and dying with nowhere to turn for assistance.
Healthcare premiums will skyrocket through the stratosphere as more and more citizens lose access to insurance or are priced out of the market. Wages will begin to sink even further than they have over the last 10 years as well.
Tonight America cut its nose off to spite its face. Or so it would appear.
No one person can control this country and the path it is on; however a group of them will drive it over the cliff. :yes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 09, 2016, 01:01:03 AM
I finally figured out why you're posting so much on this thread, Palehorse. Remember saying this?
Keep going, you can get us to page 53! :rotfl:
Conspiracy!!! :razz:
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 09, 2016, 01:14:09 AM
:spooked: :biggrin:
I'll help you along. I need to get my count up so I can make Zone Loyalist. :wink:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on November 09, 2016, 01:17:09 AM
Conspiracy!!! :razz:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2016, 01:08:21 AM
The ironic thing about this evening is the fact that Trump is leading within a system that he has accused of being rigged.
The GOP has the control of the house and are just 3 votes from controlling the senate. All of which means that the GOP will rule this nation with an iron fist and all of the initiatives they've been squalling for over the last decade will very likely be implemented.
The ramifications for the future of this nation, and for the quality of life for the middle-class here are insidious. :spooked:
Clinton loses PA and she loses the election; and it appears we will have to wait until dawn to find out the final results. . .
Yep. I'll be surprised if we hear the words "rigged" and "voter fraud" from the Repubs now. Lebanon and Perry Counties (in PA) were having problems with their voting machines when they opened this morning, but nothing came out of it. The people who voted were still able to vote for who they wanted as they recalibrate the machines. I saw a FB post claiming voter fraud on that, but obviously they didn't understand what happened.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 09, 2016, 01:14:09 AM
:spooked: :biggrin:
I'll help you along. I need to get my count up so I can make Zone Loyalist. :wink:
Conspirator! :biggrin:
DOW futures down 800.
Another thing. . .
Trump has said Hillary belongs in jail and I will put her there.
Bluster is what I considered it at the time, but now with the GOP also in control of congress one has to wonder will they build a highly manipulated case to do just that? :spooked:
Page 53!!!
Quote from: Locutus on November 09, 2016, 01:20:07 AM
DOW futures down 800.
World markets are on the downward slide as well. :yes:
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 09, 2016, 01:21:24 AM
Page 53!!!
Damn. I must be psychic! :icon_twisted: :biggrin: :icon_twisted:
Mexican peso plummets as Trump closes in on U.S. election win. . .
http://wgntv.com/2016/11/08/mexican-peso-plummets-as-trump-closes-in-on-u-s-election-win/ (http://wgntv.com/2016/11/08/mexican-peso-plummets-as-trump-closes-in-on-u-s-election-win/)
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2016, 01:22:13 AM
Damn. I must be psychic! :icon_twisted: :biggrin: :icon_twisted:
:spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
6 million + US Citizens will lose their healthcare sometime next year. A ton of people, including those who voted the GOP into office, will find themselves homeless and in financial ruin over the in progress tanking of the domestic and world markets. Moreover, we've already seen what the GOP does in situations like this to it's under 250k a year citizens; screw them.
Further and accelerated erosion of this nations social safety nets will become reality and as it does more and more middle class families will find themselves on the street; homeless, hungry, and dying with nowhere to turn for assistance.
Healthcare premiums will skyrocket through the stratosphere as more and more citizens lose access to insurance or are priced out of the market. Wages will begin to sink even further than they have over the last 10 years as well.
Tonight America cut its nose off to spite its face. Or so it would appear.
No one person can control this country and the path it is on; however a group of them will drive it over the cliff. :yes:
I warned my daughter that she might not have health insurance in the future. She's on my soon to be ex's plan. She's 20, makes just over minimum wage at a part time job and wants to start college in January. What part time job will give her health insurance? I fear for her.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 09, 2016, 01:26:18 AM
:spooked:
:icon_twisted:
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 09, 2016, 01:28:02 AM
I warned my daughter that she might not have health insurance now. She's on my soon to be ex's plan. She's 20, makes just over minimum wage at a part time job and wants to start college in January. I fear for her.
No doubt. I fear for my children and grandchildren. Once the beast is in office, the clock starts ticking toward another civil conflict in this nation in my opinion.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2016, 01:20:51 AM
Another thing. . .
Trump has said Hillary belongs in jail and I will put her there.
Bluster is what I considered it at the time, but now with the GOP also in control of congress one has to wonder will they build a highly manipulated case to do just that? :spooked:
Probably not. If she loses, there's no longer a driving desire to destroy her.
Mark my words. These congressional inquires will now stop.
I got so much I want to say..
But I have plenty of time to do this...
You guys can't even image the emotions I have right now....
All I willl say for now ....I like my steak med rare!😁
Quote from: Palehorse on November 08, 2016, 07:14:14 PM
http://www.stelmos.com/menu/ (http://www.stelmos.com/menu/)
I highly recommend that you get the shrimp cocktail there. :yes: It will open every square centimeter of your sinus cavities in order to allow you to properly smell and taste whatever cut of steak you order and enjoy it all the more. :yes:
That IS a great choice PH!!! OH Locutus??!!?? :spooked: :yes: ;)
I hope YOU have YOUR credit card ready.. :yes: ...I can pick you up at the Airport and we can go straight there..... ;) ...it is a GREAT steak house....and the Shrimp Cocktail WILL clear your sinus' like the ball room at the Democrat Headquarters!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 09, 2016, 05:01:12 AM
All I willl say for now ....I like my steak med rare!😁
Sorry, can't afford to buy you steak since I lost tens of thousands of dollars in the market last night. Trump's off to a great start!
Quote from: Exterminator on November 09, 2016, 07:38:16 AM
Sorry, can't afford to buy you steak since I lost tens of thousands of dollars in the market last night. Trump's off to a great start!
Hey, you lost; get over it!
Dang, I was sure Mrs. Clinton would win. Not that I voted for her, but then I didn't vote for Mr. Trump either. I gave up watching the results when they started talking about a tie. The market is on the way back up, -300 one,and the market doesn't open for awhile yet. Got to go, off to one of our volunteer opportunities.as people who want you to work call them.😁 Henry, enjoy your steak.
All I got to say about this election is. I have never felt so low. Feeling like there is no out for the small person. Like climbing on a Tiger's back and if I and my wife fall off there is no time for recovery and all we have worked so hard for lost. To me is seems like the inmates of the insane asylum is now running the place. The Three Stooges as the doctors handing out the cures.
The super rich started all of this with the election of Ronald Regan, Newt Gingrich;s contract for America. The election of George H.Bush and his getting together with Mexico President and Canada's Prime Minister to sign for the enactment of NAFTA and the start of Free Trade. And let us not forget the Tea Party. All planned and paid for by the Super Rich. I feel we are in for some real problems.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 09, 2016, 07:38:16 AM
Sorry, can't afford to buy you steak since I lost tens of thousands of dollars in the market last night. Trump's off to a great start!
Guess you got depressed a little early over the stock market huh? :biggrin:
Quote from: me on November 09, 2016, 01:06:44 PM
Guess you got depressed a little early over the stock market huh? :biggrin:
Why would I be depressed? We have plenty of money in a diversified portfolio of savings and investments, no debt and I still have a six-figure income that is pretty safe as long as there are rich people spending money.
You're just glib because you have nothing so you have nothing to lose.
The people who need to worry are those who will be affected should he enact the trade policies he's talked about. I hope that he dismantles the social safety nets first so that his supporters really suffer but feel sorry for the people who didn't support him who will be affected.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 09, 2016, 01:36:19 PM
Why would I be depressed? We have plenty of money in a diversified portfolio of savings and investments, no debt and I still have a six-figure income that is pretty safe as long as there are rich people spending money.
You're just glib because you have nothing so you have nothing to lose.
The people who need to worry are those who will be affected should he enact the trade policies he's talked about. I hope that he dismantles the social safety nets first so that his supporters really suffer but feel sorry for the people who didn't support him who will be affected.
I have everything I want and need to make me happy and it doesn't involve money like your happiness and needs seem to.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 09, 2016, 07:38:16 AM
Sorry, can't afford to buy you steak since I lost tens of thousands of dollars in the market last night. Trump's off to a great start!
Quote from: me on November 09, 2016, 02:03:56 PM
I have everything I want and need to make me happy and it doesn't involve money like your happiness and needs seem to.
Come back and tell us that when you're homeless, cold, hungry and can't afford to go to the doctor.
The sky is falling watch out!
Typical liberal bs....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 09, 2016, 02:08:00 PM
The sky is falling watch out!
Typical liberal bs....
Believe whatever you want. It isn't like I'll ever have to worry about my mortgage being foreclosed on. LOL!
We do actually have a small mortgage but it's held by a trust which is why I'm comfortable saying that we have no debt. The reason for doing so is that we can deduct the interest that we're paying ourselves from our taxes. Is that a beautiful thing or what? :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 09, 2016, 02:08:00 PM
The sky is falling watch out!
Typical liberal bs....
And by the way, you Trumpanzees just elected a president based on fear so carry your little coward ass back to your bomb shelter! :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 09, 2016, 02:08:00 PM
The sky is falling watch out!
Typical liberal bs....
My sky isn't falling. I have an interview set up for a job that will pay $125,000/year, and the phone still rings pretty quick when I float my resume. I'm sitting good right now. ;D
I'm with Ex in that my career is pretty safe as long as there are rich people spending money.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 09, 2016, 02:50:59 PM
Believe whatever you want. It isn't like I'll ever have to worry about my mortgage being foreclosed on. LOL!
We do actually have a small mortgage but it's held by a trust which is why I'm comfortable saying that we have no debt. The reason for doing so is that we can deduct the interest that we're paying ourselves from our taxes. Is that a beautiful thing or what? :biggrin:
That's absolutely the best way of doing things.
I did that with a car one time. I had my company lend me the money, and I paid myself back with interest. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 09, 2016, 02:55:59 PM
That's absolutely the best way of doing things.
I did that with a car one time. I had my company lend me the money, and I paid myself back with interest. ;D
By 1958 I had my house paid for and was out of debt. In the middle of that year I bought a big diesel truck and I paid cash for it. My wife and I have not bought any thing on credit since 1958. We do have credit cards and they are payed off at the end of the month. One thing for sure, it sure has felt good being out of debt and you can't rent a car without a credit card.
Quote from: The Troll on November 09, 2016, 05:18:19 PM
By 1958 I had my house paid for and was out of debt. In the middle of that year I bought a big diesel truck and I paid cash for it. My wife and I have not bought any thing on credit since 1958. We do have credit cards and they are payed off at the end of the month. One thing for sure, it sure has felt good being out of debt and you can't rent a car without a credit card.
We don't have any debt or credit cards. I don't believe in them but we do have a bank card that we use to reserve hotel rooms, and things like that. It was the way I was raised to have no credit cards and a bank card we have does the same as a credit card without the high interest rates even though if we had a credit card it would be paid off whenever we would use it. We just don't. I like having no debt.
Quote from: Locutus on November 09, 2016, 02:53:55 PM
My sky isn't falling. I have an interview set up for a job that will pay $125,000/year, and the phone still rings pretty quick when I float my resume. I'm sitting good right now. ;D
I'm with Ex in that my career is pretty safe as long as there are rich people spending money.
Yep, my husband's career is pretty safe also. I have a 401K and I am not worried about it either.
The biggest losers in last nights election aren't just the 59,814,018 and counting Clinton voters. It's all of us; it's the planet. Trump has already appointed - before the election - one of the biggest climate science deniers to head his EPA transition.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/
Quote from: Locutus on November 09, 2016, 07:24:47 PM
The biggest losers in last nights election aren't just the 59,814,018 and counting Clinton voters. It's all of us; it's the planet. Trump has already appointed - before the election - one of the biggest climate science deniers to head his EPA transition.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/
Yep! So here goes all of the global warming initiatives right down the crapper. And oil drilling is going to go wild. By the time Trump leaves office melanoma will be rampant and the oil reserves will be damn near dry. . . Leaving us at the mercy of the world. . .
Quote from: Locutus on November 09, 2016, 07:24:47 PM
The biggest losers in last nights election aren't just the 59,814,018 and counting Clinton voters. It's all of us; it's the planet. Trump has already appointed - before the election - one of the biggest climate science deniers to head his EPA transition.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2016, 07:28:44 PM
Yep! So here goes all of the global warming initiatives right down the crapper. And oil drilling is going to go wild. By the time Trump leaves office melanoma will be rampant and the oil reserves will be damn near dry. . . Leaving us at the mercy of the world. . .
Come on, guys! We all know that climate change is just a hoax. Trump says so. ""The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." and "Obama's talking about all of this with the global warming and ... a lot of it's a hoax. It's a hoax. I mean, it's a money-making industry, OK? It's a hoax, a lot of it." :spooked: :icon_evil:
This is a telling graphic. Trump didn't win because he was vastly more popular, or carried a resounding mandate. He won because Democrats stayed home. Why they stayed home is arguable, but we're all going to pay a price for it.
(https://scontent.fphl2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14938344_10154207118483471_6509601291299247883_n.jpg?oh=2fc74e2215f0faaffd3c2237cb2a99a4&oe=589A1584)
Quote from: Palehorse on June 09, 2016, 05:15:36 PM
I'm going with 53 pages by the time the election is decided.
You came close! ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 09, 2016, 10:45:52 PM
This is a telling graphic. Trump didn't win because he was vastly more popular, or carried a resounding mandate. He won because Democrats stayed home. Why they stayed home is arguable, but we're all going to pay a price for it.
(https://scontent.fphl2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14938344_10154207118483471_6509601291299247883_n.jpg?oh=2fc74e2215f0faaffd3c2237cb2a99a4&oe=589A1584)
I think a lot of them were pissed because of what happened to Bernie. I think the outcome would have been different had he been the nominee.
Quote from: Locutus on November 09, 2016, 10:45:52 PM
This is a telling graphic. Trump didn't win because he was vastly more popular, or carried a resounding mandate. He won because Democrats stayed home. Why they stayed home is arguable, but we're all going to pay a price for it.
Look! You are FORCING me to say this, but.................YOU LOST; GET OVER IT
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 08:22:31 AM
Look! You are FORCING me to say this, but.................YOU LOST; GET OVER IT
Why don't you go to hell Gag Maggot and take the other Gag Maggot Pence with you. Go to hell.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 08:22:31 AM
Look! You are FORCING me to say this, but.................YOU LOST; GET OVER IT
Oh, I'm over it Hank. My conscience is clear, as I didn't have a hand in what's about to happen.
I wasn't the one who validated and endorsed all of Trump's misogyny, racism, xenophobia, and bigotry with my vote. I didn't rubber stamp the message that if you're an immigrant, or a refugee, or even worse, a Muslim, that you're not wanted here.
I'm not the one that said, "Yes Mike Pence! All of the actions that you took against the LGBTQ community by weaponizing your religion is what I want, not only for Indiana, but for America."
That's all on you and people like you. You did it; you own it. Yet unfortunately, we'll all suffer for it.
And before you say you're in the majority, you're not. The majority of people voted for Clinton. But we're faced with the possibility of 8 years that are potentially more disastrous than the term W served, given to us by the same electoral college that gave him the presidency despite the popular vote being for Gore.
It's going to be a wild ride, so buckle up. I'm afraid it won't be pretty.
Quote from: Locutus on November 10, 2016, 09:48:47 AM
That's all on you and people like you. You did it; you own it. Yet unfortunately, we'll all suffer for it.
Outside of Trump starting a nuclear war, I doubt I'll suffer much at all but people like Henry and 'me' will and they deserve everything they get.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 09, 2016, 07:28:44 PM
Yep! So here goes all of the global warming initiatives right down the crapper. And oil drilling is going to go wild.
That's ok. One of these days, nature will start fighting back and when she does, she will be an angry bitch.
https://www.youtube.com/v/plVk4NVIUh8
:spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 08, 2016, 08:15:58 AM
Hannity sums it all up for me with this statement....
"It's a choice between Donald J. Trump, a candidate who says he'll drain the swamp in Washington and bring about real change, or Hillary Clinton, the most corrupt career politician who's ever run for this office." – Sean Hannity
By the way, I think this is starting to hold up as a very true statement.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 08, 2016, 08:15:58 AM
Hannity sums it all up for me with this statement....
"It's a choice between Donald J. Trump, a candidate who says he'll drain the swamp in Washington and bring about real change, or Hillary Clinton, the most corrupt career politician who's ever run for this office." – Sean Hannity
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 04:31:59 PM
By the way, I think this is starting to hold up as a very true statement.
How exactly is the election of a new president going to "drain the swamp?"
Quote from: Exterminator on November 09, 2016, 07:38:16 AM
Sorry, can't afford to buy you steak since I lost tens of thousands of dollars in the market last night. Trump's off to a great start!
How about that steak now?
The Dow Jones (https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/nov/10/markets-rebound-investors-welcome-trump-plans-us-election-live)industrial average has closed at a new alltime high, as Wall Street continues to assess the impact of Donald Trump's election victory.
Quote from: Locutus on November 10, 2016, 04:34:06 PM
How exactly is the election of a new president going to "drain the swamp?"
By imposing term limits on members of Congress, putting a freeze federal hiring, and banning lawmakers and White House staffs from becoming lobbyists for five years....just for starters.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 04:39:50 PM
By imposing term limits on members of Congress, putting a freeze federal hiring, and banning lawmakers and White House staffs from becoming lobbyists for five years....just for starters.
Do you even know what it would take to impose term limits on members of Congress?
Quote from: Locutus on November 10, 2016, 04:43:36 PM
Do you even know what it would take to impose term limits on members of Congress?
Nope, but I know he does. He has made that pledge for his first 100 days....so, we will see pretty quick if he is going to do what he says.
That's one of the things I don't think he or anyone else will ever get done unfortunately.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 04:51:53 PM
Nope, but I know he does. He has made that pledge for his first 100 days....so, we will see pretty quick if he is going to do what he says.
Here's a clue. He won't be able to do that. I'll bet 5 steak dinners on that.
Quote from: me on November 10, 2016, 04:56:25 PM
That's one of the things I don't think he or anyone else will ever get done unfortunately.
Everybody said there was NO way he would be the GOP Nominee........then everyone said that there is NO way he would be POTUS...........so, I think he deserves the benefit of a doubt.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 04:31:59 PM
By the way, I think this is starting to hold up as a very true statement.
No it's not - on either count.
G'dammit, Hank, stop being so F'n stupid.
I, and practically everyone else has shown you Drumpf can't do that. The president doesn't have the authority to do it. It would take a constitutional amendment and the only authorities for that are Congress, and then the States.
It's a L O N G process - years long - and then there's absolutely NO assurance it would pass muster.
As far as that other stupid claim against Clinton, once again learn to pay F'n attention! The Clintons are THE MOST INVESTIGATED politicians ever, and there's not a conviction to be had for those multitude of wasted investigations and millions of wasted dollars.
Those 'investigations' were nothing but politically motivated and deliberate attempts to destroy the Clintons.
So take my advice and learn something for a change.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 04:51:53 PM
Nope, but I know he does. He has made that pledge for his first 100 days....so, we will see pretty quick if he is going to do what he says.
Read this real s l o w and maybe it will sink in through that thick skull of yours:
HE CAN'T DO IT! HE LIED TO YOU! YOU AND YOUR ILK WERE STUPID TO BELIEVE HIM, AND STUPID TO NOT BOTHER TO RESEARCH WHETHER HE WAS LYING TO YOU! Y'ALL ARE DUMBARSES!
Sheesh!
Quote from: Y on November 10, 2016, 05:43:44 PM
Read this real s l o w and maybe it will sink in through that thick skull of yours:
HE CAN'T DO IT! HE LIED TO YOU! YOU AND YOUR ILK WERE STUPID TO BELIEVE HIM, AND STUPID TO NOT BOTHER TO RESEARCH WHETHER HE WAS LYING TO YOU! Y'ALL ARE DUMBARSES!
Sheesh!
The masses are ignorant Y. There's just no getting around it. :-\
Some of these folks should know better, if for no other reason than they've been schooled for years around here and you would expect them to have learned something - if nothing else than DO YOUR PROPER F'N RESEARCH!
And they wonder why we rail on against stupid people. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 04:51:53 PM
Nope, but I know he does. He has made that pledge for his first 100 days....so, we will see pretty quick if he is going to do what he says.
It would take a constitutional amendment to have this and no career politician is going to go for this.
Quote from: Y on November 10, 2016, 05:38:56 PM
No it's not - on either count.
G'dammit, Hank, stop being so F'n stupid.
I, and practically everyone else has shown you Drumpf can't do that. The president doesn't have the authority to do it. It would take a constitutional amendment and the only authorities for that are Congress, and then the States.
It's a L O N G process - years long - and then there's absolutely NO assurance it would pass muster.
As far as that other stupid claim against Clinton, once again learn to pay F'n attention! The Clintons are THE MOST INVESTIGATED politicians ever, and there's not a conviction to be had for those multitude of wasted investigations and millions of wasted dollars.
Those 'investigations' were nothing but politically motivated and deliberate attempts to destroy the Clintons.
So take my advice and learn something for a change.
Every investigation against the Clintons have turned out to be negative and nothing there to prove they were in the wrong about anything.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 04:51:53 PM
Nope, but I know he does. He has made that pledge for his first 100 days....so, we will see pretty quick if he is going to do what he says.
Oh, Henry. If you were a child your gullibility would be cute. Unfortunately, you're an adult who can research things like this. Remember, if you don't want to, ask a librarian! :smile:
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 10, 2016, 07:00:23 PM
Oh, Henry. If you were a child your gullibility would be cute. Unfortunately, you're an adult who can research things like this.
But he didn't, and neither did tens of millions of others.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 10, 2016, 07:00:23 PM
Oh, Henry. If you were a child your gullibility would be cute. Unfortunately, you're an adult who can research things like this. Remember, if you don't want to, ask a librarian! :smile:
I have a question, librarian!
I know there is microfilm and microfische but is there another one along these lines? I was trying to remember if there was.
Thanks
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 10, 2016, 07:20:40 PM
I have a question, librarian!
I know there is microfilm and microfische but is there another one along these lines? I was trying to remember if there was.
Thanks
Only microcards that are no longer being produced. Our library bought a microform reader last year to replace our microfilm machine. It can read microfilm and microfiche. Could you be thinking microform?
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 10, 2016, 07:36:32 PM
Only microcards that are no longer being produced. Our library bought a microform reader last year to replace our microfilm machine. It can read microfilm and microfiche. Could you be thinking microform?
That is it. Microform. I knew to ask a pro. Thanks
Hey! This is an election thread! :mad:
;D
Wow!😁
I am going to respond just as I did the past year.
Just let you guys continue to make fools of yourselves....just as you did by calling me names and saying how Trump could never be elected.
You are typical liberals full of hate. Look at the losers out there destroying property and attacking innocent people because they lost the election.
If republicans acted like that you would be enraged.
I feel sorry for you guys to have that much hatred in you.
How does pointing out factual information that Donald Trump has lied to all of you constitute making fools out of ourselves Hank?
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 10, 2016, 07:46:40 PM
That is it. Microform. I knew to ask a pro. Thanks
You're welcome. But I'm no pro, those are reference librarians. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 10, 2016, 07:52:46 PM
Hey! This is an election thread! :mad:
;D
Shut your pie hole! :laugh:
Quote from: Locutus on November 10, 2016, 08:19:46 PM
How does pointing out factual information that Donald Trump has lied to all of you constitute making fools out of ourselves Hank?
You once pointed out "factual" information about the blue wall and how we could never win the presidency and how the GOP would implode...
So sorry if I don't accept your argument over the possibility of Trump not accomplishing some of his promises.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 08:27:14 PM
You once pointed out "factual" information about the blue wall and how we could never win the presidency and how the GOP would implode...
So sorry if I don't accept your argument over the possibility of Trump not accomplishing some of his promises.
I didn't say he wouldn't accomplish some of them. Read Hank! Read! ;D This specific conversation started over your term limits remark. As has been pointed out, he can't do that. It's impossible for him to accomplish alone.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 10, 2016, 08:25:26 PM
Shut your pie hole! :laugh:
:razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz: :razz:
;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 10, 2016, 08:59:09 PM
I didn't say he wouldn't accomplish some of them. Read Hank! Read! ;D This specific conversation started over your term limits remark. As has been pointed out, he can't do that. It's impossible for him to accomplish alone.
Who said he was going to accomplish this alone?
He has a house and a senate to work on this..... and he has made a living by negotiating.
Why do you have to be hard headed and give him a chance to be wrong.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 04:35:40 PM
How about that steak now?
I think a salad would be better for you. :biggrin:
QuoteThe Dow Jones (https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2016/nov/10/markets-rebound-investors-welcome-trump-plans-us-election-live)industrial average has closed at a new alltime high, as Wall Street continues to assess the impact of Donald Trump's election victory.
Just wait...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2016, 08:27:14 PM
So sorry if I don't accept your argument over the possibility of Trump not accomplishing some of his promises.
This entire election cycle, Trump campaigned on the promise of change in D.C...."draining the swamp" he called it. Now, he is filling his transition team with long time Washington insiders and lobbyists from K Street, think tanks and political offices, embracing exactly those people he campaigned to be against.
I guess he was lying the whole time and you fools bought that shit hook, line and sinker. BAHAHAHAHA!
Quote from: Exterminator on November 11, 2016, 07:49:54 AM
I think a salad would be better for you. :biggrin:
Just wait...
Dude, for the record, I am 5'11 and 170lbs....I am pretty certain I out run you, out lift you, and work circles around you all day long..........so, I eat steak any damn time I want it and I don't have to worry one bit about it.
just for the record.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 11, 2016, 08:53:25 AM
This entire election cycle, Trump campaigned on the promise of change in D.C...."draining the swamp" he called it. Now, he is filling his transition team with long time Washington insiders and lobbyists from K Street, think tanks and political offices, embracing exactly those people he campaigned to be against.
I guess he was lying the whole time and you fools bought that shit hook, line and sinker. BAHAHAHAHA!
To use your words..."just wait". He proved your ass wrong before and HE WILL DO IT AGAIN. BAHAHAHAHA! BAHAHAHAHA! BAHAHAHAHA!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2016, 09:46:44 AM
Dude, for the record, I am 5'11 and 170lbs....I am pretty certain I out run you, out lift you, and work circles around you all day long..........so, I eat steak any damn time I want it and I don't have to worry one bit about it.
just for the record.
Keep telling yourself that. I've seen pictures of your pot-bellied ass with your little weenie arms. LMFAO!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2016, 09:47:58 AM
To use your words..."just wait". He proved your ass wrong before and HE WILL DO IT AGAIN. BAHAHAHAHA! BAHAHAHAHA! BAHAHAHAHA!
You're naive and you've been conned!
Quote from: Exterminator on November 11, 2016, 09:50:39 AM
You're naive and you've been conned!
Time will tell.....but YOU, have been proven WRONG on Trump already...........so, eh....yeah.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 11, 2016, 09:49:39 AM
Keep telling yourself that. I've seen pictures of your pot-bellied ass with your little weenie arms. LMFAO!
First of all, that is kind of creepy that you are stalking me...........secondly, I don't have a pot belly.......at least not much of one. I think you have a problem here......it seems to me, every time I get the best of you, you ALWAYS try to make it personal. This is a classic example.
You have an enormous ego, and you are like the class bully who LOVES to act big and bad in front of everyone.....people who like to brag about themselves as you do.......about how much money you have and the house you live in.......I know your type.
You seem to me to be similar to this Anthony Weiner dude...if I am going to make assumptions like YOU do to me.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2016, 10:33:57 AM
First of all, that is kind of creepy that you are stalking me...........secondly, I don't have a pot belly.......at least not much of one. I think you have a problem here......it seems to me, every time I get the best of you, you ALWAYS try to make it personal. This is a classic example.
You have an enormous ego, and you are like the class bully who LOVES to act big and bad in front of everyone.....people who like to brag about themselves as you do.......about how much money you have and the house you live in.......I know your type.
You seem to me to be similar to this Anthony Weiner dude...if I am going to make assumptions like YOU do to me.
Who would I like to live next to? Who would I like to drink a beer and eat a breaded tenderloin with? Who would I rather pal around with. Who would I like to have an intellegent talk with? Exterminator, It is no you Bird Brain Boy. I enjoy being with and talking to a man. When I think that I would have to do these things with you. I go in to a cold sweat and get goose pimples and of course, sick at my stomach. When I think of you, I think of you as Weiner's weiner.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2016, 10:33:57 AM
You have an enormous ego, and you are like the class bully who LOVES to act big and bad in front of everyone.....people who like to brag about themselves as you do.......about how much money you have and the house you live in.......I know your type.
Such delicious irony. For the past year, we have watched someone bully people, a man "who LOVES to act big and bad in front of everyone," who constantly bragged on himself...about how much money he has and the houses and buildings he owns.
You voted for him.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 11, 2016, 10:49:57 AM
Such delicious irony. For the past year, we have watched someone bully people, a man "who LOVES to act big and bad in front of everyone," who constantly bragged on himself...about how much money he has and the houses and buildings he owns.
You voted for him.
Because he can back up what he says.......he has built a billion $$$ empire.
You have a german shepherd and a big mouth.
I like people who are on the cocky side, IF they can back it up. Muhammad Ali, Larry Bird and Donald Trump are all synonymous...and great. They deliver.
You, eh...probably a good guy....you have a good dog....but that is about it as far I can tell after 10 plus years of exchanging with you.......OH! You have good grammar too.
Just how does one exactly go about "draining the swamp" via the utilization of individuals responsible for the creation of it within their administration?
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2016, 11:50:52 AM
Just how does one exactly go about "draining the swamp" via the utilization of individuals responsible for the creation of it within their administration?
Right?
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2016, 11:50:52 AM
Just how does one exactly go about "draining the swamp" via the utilization of individuals responsible for the creation of it within their administration?
Let's see Hank get back to you on this one.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 11, 2016, 09:50:39 AM
You're naive and you've been conned!
He's also appointed one of the top climate change deniers to head his EPA transition team. It's going to be the exact same shit that we saw under W for 8 fucking years.
Let's hope we can limit Trump's damage to four.
Here's something else interesting. I stated before that had the Democrats turned out, as opposed to voting third party or staying home, we wouldn't be facing four years of Trump. Democrats seem to not have learned the hard lessons of what happens when they stay home.
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.e/interactive/html5-video-media/2016/11/10/turnout_full_scale_all_voters_v2update.png)
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2016, 11:50:52 AM
Just how does one exactly go about "draining the swamp" via the utilization of individuals responsible for the creation of it within their administration?
(New York, NY) - President-elect Donald J. Trump today announced that Vice President-elect Mike Pence will serve as Chairman of the Presidential Transition Team, and that Dr. Ben Carson, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, Former Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Newt Gingrich, Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, USA (Ret.), Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and U.S. Senator Jeff Sessions will join the team's Executive Committee as Vice Chairs.
President-elect Trump also announced that the following leaders will join the Presidential Transition Team Executive Committee:
Congressman Lou Barletta
Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn
Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi
Congressman Chris Collins
Jared Kushner
Congressman Tom Marino
Rebekah Mercer
Steven Mnuchin
Congressman Devin Nunes
Anthony Scaramucci
Peter Thiel
Donald Trump Jr.
Eric Trump
Ivanka Trump
RNC Chairman Reince Priebus
Trump Campaign CEO Stephen K. Bannon
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 11, 2016, 02:37:32 PM
Here's something else interesting. I stated before that had the Democrats turned out, as opposed to voting third party or staying home, we wouldn't be facing four years of Trump. Democrats seem to not have learned the hard lessons of what happens when they stay home.
THAT is EXACTLY what I was trying to tell you guys back in the primaries!!!!! I asked the question WHY is Hillary Clinton the only one (Sure you had Bernie and O'Malley, but they never stood a chance)
It was common knowledge that Hillary was hated by even most democrats. I knew SEVERAL who refused to vote for her. She is untrustworthy! And EVERYONE knew it.
When I asked, you guys told me it was none of my business......I will admit, if you guys could have found anybody else that had a decent record.....you would have won.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2016, 11:50:52 AM
Just how does one exactly go about "draining the swamp" via the utilization of individuals responsible for the creation of it within their administration?
Hey Horse,, he lowered swamp by taking out Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani. By the time scum bucket Pence gets through all of the swamp will be drained. Man, Trump is bringing the dead Zombies back to life.
(https://scontent.fphl2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14963262_1263180943732291_6728304326895749210_n.png?oh=80b2d8db06dbe1466152adeab2ece024&oe=58CE378C)
Ok, but where were the riots and property destruction happening? Does that tasteless cartoon really hurt anyone?
Quote from: me on November 11, 2016, 09:38:53 PM
Ok, but where were the riots and property destruction happening? Does that tasteless cartoon really hurt anyone?
You really don't have a brain, do you.
Quote from: me on November 11, 2016, 09:38:53 PM
Ok, but where were the riots and property destruction happening? Does that tasteless cartoon really hurt anyone?
Tasteless? It's true! I know people who called him the anti-Christ. And Trump himself said the election was going to be rigged, but never said anything like that after he won.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 11, 2016, 10:46:57 PM
Tasteless? It's true! I know people who called him the anti-Christ. And Trump himself said the election was going to be rigged, but never said anything like that after he won.
I know people who called Bush the anti-Christ so what's your point?
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 12:36:39 AM
I know people who called Bush the anti-Christ so what's your point?
:rolleyes: I never heard him called that. Heard it too many times with Obama.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 12, 2016, 02:11:09 AM
:rolleyes: I never heard him called that. Heard it too many times with Obama.
I never heard Bush called that either but have Obama. If Bush was called that in and by the media, where is it? Of course, she won't post the links to show that. It was she heard that he was called that.
Selective hearing.
Here ya go
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=bush+the+antichrist&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 11:42:15 AM
Here ya go
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=bush+the+antichrist&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004
Bush came close to being the antichrist :jc: but this Trump sure has all the markings and :me: sure loves :smitten: him.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 11:42:15 AM
Here ya go
https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=bush+the+antichrist&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004
I checked out your link, and after losing some brain cells with the stupidity of it, I found out this. The first hit on the list has NOTHING to do with Bush. It's an end of times website to sell end of times books. No mention of Bush. The Amazon link lists one book about the subject. Another link, nothing to do with Bush being the antichrist. And yet another site has this. "Is Bush the coming Antichrist or Man of Sin? I don't think so". The few that do mention Bush being the antichrist are right wing evangelical fundie nut jobs.
13% of Americans believe Obama is the antichrist. There is no statistic I can find on people believing the same about Bush.
People have also called the Pope, Henry Kissinger, Gorbachev, Napoleon, Hitler, Reagan, JFK, Nixon the antichrist. Other than the Pope, Obama is probably the only one to be constantly called the antichrist. When I used to go to church, that was all I heard about him, and there were often big discussions about how he was bringing in the end times. I never heard that when Bush was in office.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 12, 2016, 02:05:41 PM
I checked out your link, and after losing some brain cells with the stupidity of it, I found out this. The first hit on the list has NOTHING to do with Bush. It's an end of times website to sell end of times books. No mention of Bush. The Amazon link lists one book about the subject. Another link, nothing to do with Bush being the antichrist. And yet another site has this. "Is Bush the coming Antichrist or Man of Sin? I don't think so". The few that do mention Bush being the antichrist are right wing evangelical fundie nut jobs.
13% of Americans believe Obama is the antichrist. There is no statistic I can find on people believing the same about Bush.
People have also called the Pope, Henry Kissinger, Gorbachev, Napoleon, Hitler, Reagan, JFK, Nixon the antichrist. Other than the Pope, Obama is probably the only one to be constantly called the antichrist. When I used to go to church, that was all I heard about him, and there were often big discussions about how he was bringing in the end times. I never heard that when Bush was in office.
I don't go to church which probably explains why I never heard that about Obama.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 12, 2016, 02:05:41 PM
I checked out your link, and after losing some brain cells with the stupidity of it, I found out this. The first hit on the list has NOTHING to do with Bush. It's an end of times website to sell end of times books. No mention of Bush. The Amazon link lists one book about the subject. Another link, nothing to do with Bush being the antichrist. And yet another site has this. "Is Bush the coming Antichrist or Man of Sin? I don't think so". The few that do mention Bush being the antichrist are right wing evangelical fundie nut jobs.
13% of Americans believe Obama is the antichrist. There is no statistic I can find on people believing the same about Bush.
People have also called the Pope, Henry Kissinger, Gorbachev, Napoleon, Hitler, Reagan, JFK, Nixon the antichrist. Other than the Pope, Obama is probably the only one to be constantly called the antichrist. When I used to go to church, that was all I heard about him, and there were often big discussions about how he was bringing in the end times. I never heard that when Bush was in office.
I couldn't even get the link to work so I wasn't going to waste my time trying. You are a better person than me to work at that.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 02:21:27 PM
I don't go to church which probably explains why I never heard that about Obama.
I didn't hear it only at church. FB and the internet was full of it, too.
Here's a "fun" website to look at. It's promoting the book,
Antichrist 2016-2019 Mystery Babylon, Barak Obama, and the Islamic Caliphate http://antichristobama2016.webs.com Here's a sample of how wacked out it is:
"Ask yourself: Has the media deliberately prepared our minds to accept Obama as President during an end-of-the-world crisis? In 1997's "The Fifth Element," Tommy Lister plays President Limberg when an astronomical alignment brings a "Great Evil" whose purpose is to destroy life. In 1998's "Deep Impact," Morgan Freeman plays President Tom Beck when the Earth is threatened with an ELE – an Extinction Level Event - from a comet hitting the Earth. In 2005's "Left Behind III: World at War" Louis Gossett Jr. plays President Gerald Fitzhugh until he is killed during the Tribulation. In 2009's disaster epic "2012" Danny Glover plays President Thomas Wilson when solar flares lead to a pole shift with global tsunamis - killing almost everyone.
These movies were made BEFORE his presidency. Is the media NOW preparing our minds to accept Obama as MORE than just a President? Has the media ever portrayed a president to be such a Messiah?"
Damn. I lost more brain cells! :wink:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 12, 2016, 02:23:13 PM
I couldn't even get the link to work so I wasn't going to waste my time trying. You are a better person than me to work at that.
I like to learn, PL. Of course, I'd rather learn truth and facts, but sometimes you need to weed through sites to do so. It's like I told Me on a different thread (More on Trump),
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 12, 2016, 02:32:12 PM
Unlike you, Me, I look at ALL sources. When I look up something, I don't simply accept the first thing I see as gospel, but I dig deeper. Remember the yahoo link you put up on another thread about Bush being the antichrist and how I refuted three of the sites listed? Obviously, you didn't check what you were posting.
If someone provides FACTS that oppose what I know, I will accept it. The only time I was programmed to believe a certain way was when I was an evangelical christian and taught not to question. I've left that shit and now think for myself, ask questions, fact check, and discuss things with other intelligent open minded individuals. Which is one of the reasons l like working at the library.
BTW, I clicked on the link, but nothing came up.
Quote from: AbbyTC on November 12, 2016, 03:14:03 PM
I like to learn, PL. Of course, I'd rather learn truth and facts, but sometimes you need to weed through sites to do so. It's like I told Me on a different thread (More on Trump),
If I had the time today, I probably would have weeded through some sites also but today is a busy day with daughter in a drama class and son in some stuff.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 12, 2016, 03:37:06 PM
If I had the time today, I probably would have weeded through some sites also but today is a busy day with daughter in a drama class and son in some stuff.
I really hate to put a wet blanket over the End of Times people. But, there is no God, there is no Jesus the son of God, there is no Anti Christ. If the damn Christians would just read their fucking bible, they would see that god said the no one would know the end of times. No one would know the anti Christ until is was to late. There was no big flood, oh they might of crucified a criminal, rebel rouser who cause trouble in the temple. But it wasn't god coming back as Jesus Christ to hang himself on the cross to forgive all of the sins of the people who he made sinners by throwing the first couple out of his garden for eating his fruit. :pray: :preach: :pope: :ghost: :haha: Give me a break. :rant: The people who believe all of this crap, gave us Trump. :trustme: :angry:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 12, 2016, 02:23:13 PM
I couldn't even get the link to work so I wasn't going to waste my time trying. You are a better person than me to work at that.
It was only a Yahoo search and what it turned up so it must be operater malfunction on your part. I thought you were smarter than that.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 05:14:44 PM
It was only a Yahoo search and what it turned up so it must be operater malfunction on your part. I thought you were smarter than that.
Oh, I am way smarter than you but when a link doesn't open that you put up as a link that isn't a malfunction on my part. It is yours. If you are going to put links up, you need to put links up that work instead of being the stupid one that you are. I don't think you really want to go there with me since it is already been proven that you are an idiot.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 12, 2016, 05:33:14 PM
Oh, I am way smarter than you but when a link doesn't open that you put up as a link that isn't a malfunction on my part. It is yours. If you are going to put links up, you need to put links up that work instead of being the stupid one that you are. I don't think you really want to go there with me since it is already been proven that you are an idiot.
Works fine for me and worked for Abby so has to be you.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 05:42:35 PM
Works fine for me and worked for Abby so has to be you.
Nope, if you had bothered to read, which comprehension seems to be an issue with you, I was busy today and didn't have time to work through it. I use my phone more than computer and it works fine on the computer just now when I checked. Some things are that way on my phone. You don't have to be a bitch all the time but you are.
Now, you can continue being obtuse on things and showing your stupidity about things but unlike you, I have a life and it isn't spent on here all night.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on November 12, 2016, 05:47:19 PM
Nope, if you had bothered to read, which comprehension seems to be an issue with you, I was busy today and didn't have time to work through it. I use my phone more than computer and it works fine on the computer just now when I checked. Some things are that way on my phone. You don't have to be a bitch all the time but you are.
You're related to Troll aren't you? You sure do act a lot alike....
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 08:11:38 PM
You're related to Troll aren't you? You sure do act a lot alike....
Now you're trying to be funny. :haha: :haha: You sure can tell a joke. :haha: :haha:
Now this is just wrong. An example of intolerence if I ever seen one but that's a democrat for ya.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/catering-job-leaves-black-business-owner-facing-boycott-over-donald-trump-jr-photo-op-
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 10:37:24 PM
Now this is just wrong. An example of intolerence if I ever seen one but that's a democrat for ya.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/catering-job-leaves-black-business-owner-facing-boycott-over-donald-trump-jr-photo-op-
This is American capitalism at its finest. :yes: He can work for anyone he wants to and I can eat anywhere I want. :yes: If he choose to work one day for Trump, he has the right to work for Trump. He chose to work for Trump for one day and forgets about the people who eats at his restaurant seven days a week. :smile: :yes: What are you bitching about Fat :mooning: It's how America works. :flag: Trump fires people for being ugly or not pretty. :wink: You probably couldn't work for him Fat Cheeks :mooning:
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 08:11:38 PM
You're related to Troll aren't you? You sure do act a lot alike....
Hahaha, you really are stupid. I wouldn't know who Troll is but we all know ho ignorant you are.
Quote from: The Troll on November 12, 2016, 11:34:49 PM
This is American capitalism at its finest. :yes: He can work for anyone he wants to and I can eat anywhere I want. :yes: If he choose to work one day for Trump, he has the right to work for Trump. He chose to work for Trump for one day and forgets about the people who eats at his restaurant seven days a week. :smile: :yes: What are you bitching about Fat :mooning: It's how America works. :flag: Trump fires people for being ugly or not pretty. :wink: You probably couldn't work for him Fat Cheeks :mooning:
He probably works at an at will state where he can be fired for no reason.
Quote from: The Troll on November 12, 2016, 11:34:49 PM
This is American capitalism at its finest. :yes: He can work for anyone he wants to and I can eat anywhere I want. :yes: If he choose to work one day for Trump, he has the right to work for Trump. He chose to work for Trump for one day and forgets about the people who eats at his restaurant seven days a week. :smile: :yes: What are you bitching about Fat :mooning: It's how America works. :flag: Trump fires people for being ugly or not pretty. :wink: You probably couldn't work for him Fat Cheeks :mooning:
He is a minority small business man who is a democrat. Trump could have gone to a large chain but instead chose to do business with the small guy and this is how the dems treat him. It's wrong any way you look at it. He should be able to do business, like he said, with whom ever he chooses and not have to have the approval of any political group. Trump didn't ask him what his politics were before he spent money in his business.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2016, 05:19:55 PM
He is a minority small business man who is a democrat. Trump could have gone to a large chain but instead chose to do business with the small guy and this is how the dems treat him. It's wrong any way you look at it. He should be able to do business, like he said, with whom ever he chooses and not have to have the approval of any political group. Trump didn't ask him what his politics were before he spent money in his business.
He did what he wanted to, if I owned the business, I would have declined, saying I had other customers. If he called my plumbing business for service, I would have excepted, saying that my service charge was $200 just to show up and $150 an hour for the labor plus parts. :yes: :yes: :biggrin: That's capitalism. :flag:
:haha: He could have said, I get $200 a plate and you have to pay extra for the clean up. :haha: If he took it, I don't think one customer would have complained about skinning the Bastard. :biggrin: He probably give him a break on the price, poor Trump. :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on November 13, 2016, 06:55:06 PM
He did what he wanted to, if I owned the business, I would have declined, saying I had other customers. If he called my plumbing business for service, I would have excepted, saying that my service charge was $200 just to show up and $150 an hour for the labor plus parts. :yes: :yes: :biggrin: That's capitalism. :flag:
Can't do that. Remember the couple who probably lost their catering business???? He's in business to serve everyone remember or is that just when it's convenient for Dems? Talk about hipocrisy at it's finest.
Quote from: me on November 13, 2016, 07:05:44 PM
Can't do that. Remember the couple who probably lost their catering business???? He's in business to serve everyone remember or is that just when it's convenient for Dems? Talk about hipocrisy at it's finest.
You didn't read my last post did you. :doh: Yes, I think you're losing it. :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :pigfly:
Quote from: The Troll on November 13, 2016, 07:11:27 PM
You didn't read my last post did you. :doh: Yes, I think you're losing it. :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :pigfly:
Your last post was uncalled for and irrelevent to the conversation. It also shows what an ass hole you are.
Quote from: me on November 12, 2016, 10:37:24 PM
Now this is just wrong. An example of intolerence if I ever seen one but that's a democrat for ya.
Democrats indeed. In case people forgot how peacefully people accepted Obama's election in '08. (https://imgur.com/gallery/Y7Zpt)
Quote from: Exterminator on November 16, 2016, 09:34:51 AM
Democrats indeed. In case people forgot how peacefully people accepted Obama's election in '08. (https://imgur.com/gallery/Y7Zpt)
Yes, those things were wrong but show me where they went out and trashed businesses, blocked traffic, attacked people, college kids were allowed to skip tests, have cry in's, and offered counseling. Hope you are wearing your safety pin in plain site so you don't get mistaken for a Trump supporter and harrassed or beat on.
Quote from: me on November 16, 2016, 11:38:40 AM
Hope you are wearing your safety pin in plain site so you don't get mistaken for a Trump supporter and harrassed or beat on.
I don't need a safety pin; trust me.
Quote from: me on November 16, 2016, 11:38:40 AM
Yes, those things were wrong but show me where they went out and trashed businesses, blocked traffic, attacked people...
They're doing as bad or worse now...and they won! (http://time.com/4569129/racist-anti-semitic-incidents-donald-trump/)
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15109464_1243275805694068_3205600318180120637_n.png?oh=3217ee9e8efe149816821943d523c755&oe=58D3C7C5)
Quote from: Exterminator on November 16, 2016, 01:27:39 PM
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15109464_1243275805694068_3205600318180120637_n.png?oh=3217ee9e8efe149816821943d523c755&oe=58D3C7C5)
Holy hell. . . The scary part is there are sectors of society that will see that and use it as their vision and creed. :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 16, 2016, 01:30:35 PM
Holy hell. . . The scary part is there are sectors of society that will see that and use it as their vision and creed. :mad:
They've seen it and are already using it.
Like I said, you'd better make sure you have your safety pins properly displayed if you're out and about.
Quote from: me on November 16, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
Like I said, you'd better make sure you have your safety pins properly displayed if you're out and about.
Why? No one I know is afraid of a bunch of old, fat rednecks.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 16, 2016, 03:04:35 PM
Why? No one I know is afraid of a bunch of old, fat rednecks.
That's to make sure your own people, the Hillary people, don't jump you. You know, the ones who are blocking streets, burning things, damaging businesses, and are so upset they can't go to classes or take the exams.
Quote from: me on November 16, 2016, 03:19:38 PM
That's to make sure your own people, the Hillary people, don't jump you. You know, the ones who are blocking streets, burning things, damaging businesses, and are so upset they can't go to classes or take the exams.
The only way the Democrats to raise hell, is to demonstrate. We ain't got the money you damn Republicans have. :yes: You god damn people buy the politicians and the cops. So just fuck off Rubber Lips. :mooning:
Quote from: me on November 16, 2016, 02:44:24 PM
Like I said, you'd better make sure you have your safety pins properly displayed if you're out and about.
Trmpanzees jump me I've got a prescription for them. . . And it cures the issue immediately. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 16, 2016, 06:12:41 PM
Trmpanzees jump me I've got a prescription for them. . . And it cures the issue immediately. :yes:
It's the anti Trump people who are jumping the Trump people.
Quote from: me on November 16, 2016, 08:11:29 PM
It's the anti Trump people who are jumping the Trump people.
Really, stupid? (https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/male-trump-supporter-sucker-punches-woman-after-political-argument-and-then-flees/)
Quote from: Exterminator on November 17, 2016, 08:45:58 AM
Really, stupid? (https://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/male-trump-supporter-sucker-punches-woman-after-political-argument-and-then-flees/)
And from that link it says:
Less than a week since the 2016 presidential election and there have been nearly 200 reported instances of violence across the country, enacted by Trump supporters who have been emboldened by his victory.Just in case she didn't click on it. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 17, 2016, 05:53:31 PM
And from that link it says:
Less than a week since the 2016 presidential election and there have been nearly 200 reported instances of violence across the country, enacted by Trump supporters who have been emboldened by his victory.
Just in case she didn't click on it. ;D
Bull shit.
Quote from: me on November 17, 2016, 06:50:34 PM
Bull shit.
What is bullshit? Are you saying that local news stations all over the country have conspired to make it look as though these things are happening when they aren't? Get your head out of your ass. :rolleyes:
Another example. No violence involved, but it is racism.
David Sanguesa said he was having a bad day.
But it seems Sanguesa has had many bad days. Wednesday was just the latest. That was the day he was captured on video angrily yelling "Trump!" and "I voted for Trump!" at a barista at a Coral Gables Starbucks when he felt he didn't get his tall vanilla latte quickly enough because he is white. Then he demanded his money back, calling her "trash" and "garbage."
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/miami-dade/sfl-trump-starbucks-customer-rant-20161118-story.html#nt=oft12aH-1li3
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 09, 2016, 07:43:58 AM
Hey, you lost; get over it!
I just love it :love: when they say things like what Henry just said. :smitten: Because I know for a fact that the Republicans are going to step on their dicks pretty soon. :haha: :haha: Because in the Republican Party shit always happens. :haha: :rotfl: :rotfl:
These are the latest two covers of the Charlie Hebdo magazine. ;D
The cover at left reads, "Should we give him the nuclear button?" and at right, "Obama: An ordinary citizen once more."
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-583073cf/turbine/ct-french-satirical-magazine-donald-trump-2016-001/700/700x394)
Well written if not a bit long, but worth the read.
...One very small segment in this diverse conversation:
Trump had triumphed in rural America by appealing to a ferment of anti-urban, anti-coastal feeling. And yet Obama dismissed the notion that the Republicans had captured the issue of inequality. "The Republicans don't care about that issue," he said. "There's no pretense that anything that they're putting forward, any congressional proposals that are going to come forward, will reduce inequality. . . . What I do concern myself with, and the Democratic Party is going to have to concern itself with, is the fact that the confluence of globalization and technology is making the gap between rich and poor, the mismatch in power between capital and labor, greater all the time. And that's true globally.
"The prescription that some offer, which is stop trade, reduce global integration, I don't think is going to work," he went on. "If that's not going to work, then we're going to have to redesign the social compact in some fairly fundamental ways over the next twenty years. And I know how to build a bridge to that new social compact. It begins with all the things we've talked about in the past—early-childhood education, continuous learning, job training, a basic social safety net, expanding the earned-income tax credit, investments in infrastructure—which, by definition, aren't shipped overseas. All of those things accelerate growth, give you more of a runway. But at some point, when the problem is not just Uber but driverless Uber, when radiologists are losing their jobs to A.I., then we're going to have to figure out how do we maintain a cohesive society and a cohesive democracy in which productivity and wealth generation are not automatically linked to how many hours you put in, where the links between production and distribution are broken, in some sense. Because I can sit in my office, do a bunch of stuff, send it out over the Internet, and suddenly I just made a couple of million bucks, and the person who's looking after my kid while I'm doing that has no leverage to get paid more than ten bucks an hour."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/28/obama-reckons-with-a-trump-presidency (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/28/obama-reckons-with-a-trump-presidency)
He's such a smart man, yet people hated him. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 19, 2016, 03:38:32 PM
He's such a smart man, yet people hated him. :rolleyes:
Disagreed with his policies, there's a difference.
Quote from: me on November 19, 2016, 03:51:49 PM
Disagreed with his policies, there's a difference.
Yet you've repeatedly failed to elucidate what those "policy disagreements" are/were.
Do you disagree with what the president said above?
Quote from: Locutus on November 19, 2016, 04:57:06 PM
Yet you've repeatedly failed to elucidate what those "policy disagreements" are/were.
Do you disagree with what the president said above?
I have done that numerous times you just don't seem to grasp it.
Quote from: me on November 19, 2016, 05:19:39 PM
I have done that numerous times you just don't seem to grasp it.
So do you agree with what the president said above? He's right.
Quote from: Locutus on November 19, 2016, 04:57:06 PM
Yet you've repeatedly failed to elucidate what those "policy disagreements" are/were.
Do you disagree with what the president said above?
Looks more to me like what the author says he said altough I did hear him say some of the snarky things the author eludes to. Obama comes across at this point as being a legend in his own mind.
Quote from: Locutus on November 19, 2016, 03:38:32 PM
He's such a smart man, yet people hated him. :rolleyes:
Indeed. I wish I had been able to attend classes under his tutelage while in college.
Haters gonna hate man. Not a damned thing we can do about it. . . aside from refusing to get sucked into their wormhole. . .
Quote from: me on November 19, 2016, 03:51:49 PM
Disagreed with his policies, there's a difference.
Liar.
Quote from: Palehorse on November 19, 2016, 02:51:44 PM
Well written if not a bit long, but worth the read.
...One very small segment in this diverse conversation:
Trump had triumphed in rural America by appealing to a ferment of anti-urban, anti-coastal feeling. And yet Obama dismissed the notion that the Republicans had captured the issue of inequality. "The Republicans don't care about that issue," he said. "There's no pretense that anything that they're putting forward, any congressional proposals that are going to come forward, will reduce inequality. . . . What I do concern myself with, and the Democratic Party is going to have to concern itself with, is the fact that the confluence of globalization and technology is making the gap between rich and poor, the mismatch in power between capital and labor, greater all the time. And that's true globally.
"The prescription that some offer, which is stop trade, reduce global integration, I don't think is going to work," he went on. "If that's not going to work, then we're going to have to redesign the social compact in some fairly fundamental ways over the next twenty years. And I know how to build a bridge to that new social compact. It begins with all the things we've talked about in the past—early-childhood education, continuous learning, job training, a basic social safety net, expanding the earned-income tax credit, investments in infrastructure—which, by definition, aren't shipped overseas. All of those things accelerate growth, give you more of a runway. But at some point, when the problem is not just Uber but driverless Uber, when radiologists are losing their jobs to A.I., then we're going to have to figure out how do we maintain a cohesive society and a cohesive democracy in which productivity and wealth generation are not automatically linked to how many hours you put in, where the links between production and distribution are broken, in some sense. Because I can sit in my office, do a bunch of stuff, send it out over the Internet, and suddenly I just made a couple of million bucks, and the person who's looking after my kid while I'm doing that has no leverage to get paid more than ten bucks an hour."
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/28/obama-reckons-with-a-trump-presidency (http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/11/28/obama-reckons-with-a-trump-presidency)
It is moving. And so sad.
Quote from: libby on November 20, 2016, 08:46:08 PM
It is moving. And so sad.
Absolutely. The man is right, has been right, and our good for nothing congress just wasted 8 years that could have and should have been much better spent!
Quote from: me on November 19, 2016, 06:30:49 PM
Looks more to me like what the author says he said altough I did hear him say some of the snarky things the author eludes to. Obama comes across at this point as being a legend in his own mind.
This is a prime example of exactly what I was talking about. :rolleyes:
I asked you to speak to what he's saying, yet you cast a personal aspersion at him instead.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 20, 2016, 06:20:36 PM
Liar.
She absolutely is, and her own post proved you correct.
Quote from: Exterminator on October 26, 2016, 08:00:27 AM
Hillary and Kaine don't even need to hold rallies any more; they've already won!
Quote from: Locutus on October 26, 2016, 03:48:07 PM
Two weeks from today and you'll be saying, "President-elect Clinton." :yes:
Little nuggets like this is priceless....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 21, 2016, 12:29:35 PM
Little nuggets like this is priceless....
We clearly underestimated the power of stupid people in large numbers.
He who laughs last, laughs best.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 21, 2016, 01:13:33 PM
We clearly underestimated the power of stupid people in large numbers.
Indeed. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 21, 2016, 12:20:58 PM
This is a prime example of exactly what I was talking about. :rolleyes:
I asked you to speak to what he's saying, yet you cast a personal aspersion at him instead.
And it has nothing to do with the color of his skin just as the comments made about Hillary have nothing to do with the fact she's a woman.
Quote from: me on November 21, 2016, 01:28:24 PM
And it has nothing to do with the color of his skin just as the comments made about Hillary have nothing to do with the fact she's a woman.
Damn you're dense! :wall:
See this ------> ? <------ That's a question mark. It means a question is being asked.
------> So do you agree with what the president said above? <------ Right there. :wink:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 21, 2016, 01:13:33 PM
We clearly underestimated the power of stupid people in large numbers.
He who laughs last, laughs best.
I KNOW!! RIGHT?? I'm the one who is having the best laugh here!!!! and IT is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You guys were so full of yourselves.....
I am loving this more than you could ever imagine.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 21, 2016, 02:32:11 PM
I KNOW!! RIGHT?? I'm the one who is having the best laugh here!!!! and IT is GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As usual, you're premature. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 21, 2016, 02:45:23 PM
As usual, you're premature. :biggrin:
Yep, premature ejaculation. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Locutus on November 21, 2016, 01:25:38 PM
Indeed. :yes:
Most of the article is what the writer is saying Obama said and it's long and drawn out. I'll have to read it again, and hopefully not be interupted by phone calls and what not, but I can say at this point no but I'll read it again in a day or two just for you.
Absolutely!
https://www.youtube.com/v/8OwciVuvviA
:rolleyes:
Quote from: me on November 22, 2016, 12:04:58 PM
:rolleyes:
These are real and growing feelings, me. And Faith Based money is taking secular tax dollars from social programs to help the poor to get more pedophiles in Anderson.
People are INDEED tired of the right wing....
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 07, 2016, 05:29:28 PM
These are real and growing feelings, me. And Faith Based money is taking secular tax dollars from social programs to help the poor to get more pedophiles in Anderson.
People are INDEED tired of the right wing....
I think the religious churches should be taxed. They don't pay property tax, sewer tax, sales tax. They don't pay any tax of any kind. :mad: :mad: Make it legal for them to preach and politicizes from pulpit :preach: Like they already do illegally. Will some one say Amen. :wait:
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 07, 2016, 05:29:28 PM
These are real and growing feelings, me. And Faith Based money is taking secular tax dollars from social programs to help the poor to get more pedophiles in Anderson.
People are INDEED tired of the right wing....
How are faith based monies bringing more pedophiles into your community?
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 07, 2016, 05:29:28 PM
These are real and growing feelings, me. And Faith Based money is taking secular tax dollars from social programs to help the poor to get more pedophiles in Anderson.
People are INDEED tired of the right wing....
Now come on PD. :no: Now that is some thing I really don't believe. :no: Just when I am thinking you're making sense, you just blow it up. :liar2: :kick: :owned:
Quote from: The Troll on December 07, 2016, 10:52:35 PM
Now come on PD. :no: Now that is some thing I really don't believe. :no: Just when I am thinking you're making sense, you just blow it up. :liar2: :kick: :owned:
Of course she would blow it up and not make sense as she has nothing to back that up.
Quote from: Locutus on December 07, 2016, 06:31:16 PM
How are faith based monies bringing more pedophiles into your community?
They aren't, no more than any other company or organization. She has zero facts to back that up. Most religious organizations hold a dim view on pedophiles and being involved with them.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 07, 2016, 05:29:28 PM
People are INDEED tired of the right wing....
Uh, I disagree 100%.....why is it you think the "right" controls the WHITE HOUSE, why is it you think the "right" controls the HOUSE, they control the SENATE, they have the highest mount of GOP Governors since 1922....with 33 states republican controlled....we have won 30 States this election, Trump wins with 306 delegates....I truly believe that people are INDEED tired of LIBERALS. The proof is in the pudding.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 08, 2016, 08:11:23 AM
...why is it you think the "right" controls the WHITE HOUSE, why is it you think the "right" controls the HOUSE, they control the SENATE, they have the highest mount of GOP Governors since 1922....with 33 states republican controlled....we have won 30 States this election, Trump wins with 306 delegates...
No excuses when you morons fuck this up...and you will!
Quote from: Exterminator on December 08, 2016, 09:00:30 AM
No excuses when you morons fuck this up...and you will!
The seeds are already being sown with some of these appointments.
Just keep on talkin guys!! ;D You make this so much fun, it is hard to keep quiet. ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 08, 2016, 09:51:38 AM
Just keep on talkin guys!! ;D You make this so much fun, it is hard to keep quiet. ;)
If pass history is any indicator, there is one thing for sure. Just write it down. :yes: :yes: YOU REPUBLICANS WILL STEP ON YOUR DICKS. :haha: :haha: Which means, :cry: :cry: :cry: another DEPRESSSION and some real bad and many bad things coming. :trustme:
And you asked for it. :zoners:
Quote from: The Troll on December 08, 2016, 11:15:00 AM
If pass history is any indicator, there is one thing for sure. Just write it down. :yes: :yes: YOU REPUBLICANS WILL STEP ON YOUR DICKS. :haha: :haha: Which means, :cry: :cry: :cry: another DEPRESSSION and some real bad and many bad things coming. :trustme:
And you asked for it. :zoners:
Are you kidding me? You dems just re-wrote the book on stepping on your dicks!!!!(http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/zonelaughing.gif)
Quote from: Locutus on December 07, 2016, 06:31:16 PM
How are faith based monies bringing more pedophiles into your community?
Through funds from HHS to rehabilitate the pedophile. I will get you an example. My county has almost 900 registered pedophiles and in Indiana, you are not required to register.
Some may not agree with me, but I'm not so sure sexual predators like pedophiles can be successfully rehabilitated. :no:
I think we've had some discussions along those lines around here before.
Quote from: Locutus on December 08, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
Some may not agree with me, but I'm not so sure sexual predators like pedophiles can be successfully rehabilitated. :no:
I think we've had some discussions along those lines around here before.
I agree....not sure what you do, but pen them up for the rest of their lives...(or worse).....we cannot allow them the opportunity to hurt a child.
Quote from: Locutus on December 08, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
Some may not agree with me, but I'm not so sure sexual predators like pedophiles can be successfully rehabilitated. :no:
I think we've had some discussions along those lines around here before.
Most psychologists agree with you. Just like the phoniness of the pray away the gay program, these churches rob the secular tax dollars for bogus money. It should be stopped. Need to get my grandson. Will get you the info later. BTW, you can't find these funds readily. They are well hidden.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 08, 2016, 01:15:05 PM
Most psychologists agree with you. Just like the phoniness of the pray away the gay program, these churches rob the secular tax dollars for bogus money. It should be stopped. Need to get my grandson. Will get you the info later. BTW, you can't find these funds readily. They are well hidden.
BS as usual about churches hiding monies.
Quote from: Locutus on December 08, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
Some may not agree with me, but I'm not so sure sexual predators like pedophiles can be successfully rehabilitated. :no:
I think we've had some discussions along those lines around here before.
Agreed
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 08, 2016, 01:22:07 PM
BS as usual about churches hiding monies.
Okay, I'm not a big fan of most churches. I don't attend any longer. I got tired of churches spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on Audio/Video equipment, sound systems, and top notch musical instruments, to ENHANCE the Church experience.....instead of doing what God led them to do and that is being a light and beacon for the weak and weary in their communities....and winning souls.
With that being said, there are STILL a great number of very good churches that give MILLIONS of $$$$ every year to feed and clothe the homeless all over the world.
So I think as long as Churches can prove they are spending money like they are supposed to, I am okay with the tax status on them.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 08, 2016, 01:38:03 PM
Okay, I'm not a big fan of most churches. I don't attend any longer. I got tired of churches spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on Audio/Video equipment, sound systems, and top notch musical instruments, to ENHANCE the Church experience.....instead of doing what God led them to do and that is being a light and beacon for the weak and weary in their communities....and winning souls.
With that being said, there are STILL a great number of very good churches that give MILLIONS of $$$$ every year to feed and clothe the homeless all over the world.
So I think as long as Churches can prove they are spending money like they are supposed to, I am okay with the tax status on them.
Churches have to do financial reports just like any non profit has to do. Unless it is some fly by night church all churches have a finance committee and do financial reports for the members to see. For one to make claims that churches don't report financial statuses or reports is bogus.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 08, 2016, 02:28:47 PM
Churches have to do financial reports just like any non profit has to do. Unless it is some fly by night church all churches have a finance committee and do financial reports for the members to see. For one to make claims that churches don't report financial statuses or reports is bogus.
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying as far as Churches & Taxes.......I think as long as they are doing what they are "supposed" to be doing.....then NO TAXES. But, if they are spending the majority of its revenue on Sound Systems and fancy Coffee Shops and Work Out Spa's.....then, they should pony up.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 08, 2016, 02:35:51 PM
I'm not saying that.
I'm just saying as far as Churches & Taxes.......I think as long as they are doing what they are "supposed" to be doing.....then NO TAXES. But, if they are spending the majority of its revenue on Sound Systems and fancy Coffee Shops and Work Out Spa's.....then, they should pony up.
You weren't but another poster is making bogus claims that churches have hidden financial stuff going on. Personally, I think churches should pay taxes.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 08, 2016, 02:49:33 PM
You weren't but another poster is making bogus claims that churches have hidden financial stuff going on. Personally, I think churches should pay taxes.
I'm with you kind of, like I said, if they are buying elaborate AV, Sound, Spa, Coffee crap stuff...then they should pony up.......if they are spending on the their community and missionary stuff....then tax free.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 08, 2016, 01:03:26 PM
My county has almost 900 registered pedophiles and in Indiana, you are not required to register.
:rolleyes:
Everything you stated is not true. A simple Google would have shown that if you weren't lazy and so prone to making up crap to suit your conspiracies.
http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Anderson-Indiana.html
According to our research of Indiana and other state lists there were 208 registered sex offenders living in Anderson as of December 08, 2016.http://www.homefacts.com/offenders/Indiana/Madison-County/Anderson.html
Anderson, IN Registered Violent or Sex Offenders
238 Registered Violent or Sex Offenders
found in Anderson, IN http://www.homefacts.com/offenders/Indiana/Madison-County.html
Madison County, IN Registered Violent or Sex Offenders
321 Registered Violent or Sex Offenders
found in Madison County, IN http://www.in.gov/idoc/3285.htm
Sex & Violent Offender Registryhttps://www.purdue.edu/ehps/police/assistance/know/zachary.html
Zachary's Law
In 1994, Indiana adopted a law that requires offenders convicted of certain child sexual assault offenses to register with all local law enforcement authorities in the communities where they live for 10 years following their release from custody, probation, or parole.
Churches are modern cults aimed at brainwashing.
Their political involvement - if nothing else - should preclude their tax exempt status.
Government should not be in the business of subsidizing ANY religion.
Quote from: Y on December 08, 2016, 03:18:36 PM
:rolleyes:
Everything you stated is not true. A simple Google would have shown that if you weren't lazy and so prone to making up crap to suit your conspiracies.
http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Anderson-Indiana.html
According to our research of Indiana and other state lists there were 208 registered sex offenders living in Anderson as of December 08, 2016.
http://www.homefacts.com/offenders/Indiana/Madison-County/Anderson.html
Anderson, IN Registered Violent or Sex Offenders
238 Registered Violent or Sex Offenders
found in Anderson, IN
http://www.homefacts.com/offenders/Indiana/Madison-County.html
Madison County, IN Registered Violent or Sex Offenders
321 Registered Violent or Sex Offenders
found in Madison County, IN
http://www.in.gov/idoc/3285.htm
Sex & Violent Offender Registry
https://www.purdue.edu/ehps/police/assistance/know/zachary.html
Zachary's Law
In 1994, Indiana adopted a law that requires offenders convicted of certain child sexual assault offenses to register with all local law enforcement authorities in the communities where they live for 10 years following their release from custody, probation, or parole.
You're right, but assigning my motive is completely off. You don't know me, Y, so your assessment of me neither hits the mark or even tries to.
FROM your database, it is shown.
QuoteOur database shows there are 321 registered Violent or Sex Offenders in Madison County, IN, a ratio of 24.63 Violent or Sex Offenders per 10,000 residents. This is higher than the national average of 15.25 Violent or Sex Offenders per 10,000 residents. Records indicate there are 738 incarcerated Violent or Sex Offenders in Indiana, as well as 340 offenders whose location is unknown in Indiana due to the Violent or Sex Offenders being transient or their address being unmappable.
As to registering, my information shows it differently.
http://www.in.gov/idoc/3285.htm (http://www.in.gov/idoc/3285.htm)
QuoteThe violent offender law requiring registration and a registry of violent offenders is unconstitutionally retroactive under the Indiana Constitution as applied to violent offenders who committed their offenses in Indiana before the date the law went into effect, July 1, 2007, except insofar as the persons are required to register as a current condition of probation or parole.
If you have been classified as violent offender as a result of committing the offense in Indiana prior to July 1, 2007, and you are not currently required to register as a condition of probation or parole, the Indiana Department of Correction has been ordered to remove your name and all information concerning you from the sex and violent offender registry, unless you are convicted of other offenses that allow you to be currently classified as a sex or violent offender. This will be done automatically unless the Department of Correction cannot determine when the person committed the offense or whether he or she is required to register as a condition of probation or parole. If this occurs, the individual will receive a notice at his or her last known address with instructions as to how to contact the Indiana Department of Correction.
No where does it show where the current law REQUIRES you to register. Did you see it and I missed it? Again, if you can't respond without being this ahole who thinks it is so important to attack my character, don't respond...as I won't respond back to one more instance of this.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 08, 2016, 03:26:32 PM
You're right, but assigning my motive is completely off. You don't know me, Y, so your assessment of me neither hits the mark or even tries to.
FROM your database, it is shown.
As to registering, my information shows it differently.
http://www.in.gov/idoc/3285.htm (http://www.in.gov/idoc/3285.htm)
No where does it show where the current law REQUIRES you to register. Did you see it and I missed it? Again, if you can't respond without being this ahole who thinks it is so important to attack my character, don't respond...as I won't respond back to one more instance of this.
Every sex offender has to register regardless where they live. As usual you make statements without backing it up with facts.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 08, 2016, 01:22:07 PM
BS as usual about churches hiding monies.
Really? Then show me where the Faith Based money is in your community...or ANY community for that matter..show the program being funded and show the money being given.
With State AND federal government funding it, it shouldn't be hard for you to find.
http://www.theocracywatch.org/faith_base.htm (http://www.theocracywatch.org/faith_base.htm)
QuoteHow Much Money?
How much are taxpayers paying for what Barry Lynn, Executive Director of American's United calls "federally subsidized employment discrimination?" According to Daniel Zwerdling who produced two programs on faith-based initiative for Bill Moyers TV show NOW in September, 2003, "administration spokesmen say they can't break down how much money has gone so far to religious groups .. they claim they don't keep that information."
The March, 2004, issue of Church and State reports that the "Faith Czar" Jim Towey announced to reporters that $40 billion dollars was now available to religious charities.
By studying White House press releases and the White House web site, Daniel Zwerdling found that religious groups could apply to more than a hundred federal programs that gave out more than $65 billion. In addition, religious groups ccould apply for more money through state-administered programs.
From the Washington Post, January 4, 2005:
.. in 2003, groups dubbed "faith-based" received $1.17 billion in grants from federal agencies, according to documents provided by the White House to the Associated Press.
That's not enough, said H. James Towey, director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. An additional $40 billion in federal money is given out by state governments, he said..
This is the text of an executive order signed by Bush on June 1.
On September 22, 2003, the White House announced new rules making $28 billion available to religious charities that proselytize and discriminate in hiring. Susan Jacoby, director of the Center for Inquiry in Metro New York claims "The White House has taken what may be its boldest step yet to blur the constitutional separation of church and state." While the White House announced these controversial new rules, the media hardly paid attention.
While religious charities receive billions of dollars, federal programs are experiencing funding cuts. The largest federally funded after-school program, the $1 billion-a-year 21st Century Community Learning Centers program is threatened with a budget reduction of $400 million for the Fiscal Year 2004. The resulting cuts in Washington D.C. alone could eliminate after-school services for 2,902 District children.
As reported in the Washington Post, Congress has ordered more than $3 million in grants since 2001 earmarked for respected former Redskins cornerback Darrell Green's Youth Life Foundation, with the goal in part of opening more Green learning centers here and in other cities. But his center is directly serving only 38 kids, in a city where 35,000 live in poverty.
From Church and State editorial, March 9, 2004:
The Corporation for National and Community Service has allocated $324,000 in Americorps funding for staffing at four daycare centers run by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Providence.
But The Children's Crusade, a mentoring program that has won national honors, lost all its budget of half a million dollars. The group had hoped to partner 35 young adults with poor minority children. That won't be happening now.
Pence's corp group got millions from the state.
http://www.ibj.com/articles/55291-pence-awards-35m-contract-to-anti-abortion-charity-group (http://www.ibj.com/articles/55291-pence-awards-35m-contract-to-anti-abortion-charity-group)
Talk about stealing and hiding money, here's an article to help you understand it better.
http://www.alternet.org/how-religious-organizations-abuse-government-programs-and-duck-taxes (http://www.alternet.org/how-religious-organizations-abuse-government-programs-and-duck-taxes)
Your own state sought funds for the little museum which says dinosaurs and man lived together..what's the name of that con game?
Quote from: Y on December 08, 2016, 03:22:46 PM
Churches are modern cults aimed at brainwashing.
Their political involvement - if nothing else - should preclude their tax exempt status.
Government should not be in the business of subsidizing ANY religion.
Exactly and should pay taxes regardless where the money goes.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 08, 2016, 03:33:17 PM
Really? Then show me where the Faith Based money is in your community...or ANY community for that matter..show the program being funded and show the money being given.
With State AND federal government funding it, it shouldn't be hard for you to find.
http://www.theocracywatch.org/faith_base.htm (http://www.theocracywatch.org/faith_base.htm)
Pence's corp group got millions from the state.
http://www.ibj.com/articles/55291-pence-awards-35m-contract-to-anti-abortion-charity-group (http://www.ibj.com/articles/55291-pence-awards-35m-contract-to-anti-abortion-charity-group)
Talk about stealing and hiding money, here's an article to help you understand it better.
http://www.alternet.org/how-religious-organizations-abuse-government-programs-and-duck-taxes (http://www.alternet.org/how-religious-organizations-abuse-government-programs-and-duck-taxes)
Your own state sought funds for the little museum which says dinosaurs and man lived together..what's the name of that con game?
Idiot that you are, they have financial statements sent out and it shows where money goes. Good try on trying to phish for information as usual but it won't work. If you were half as smart as you would try to be you would still be stupid.
By the way, dumbass that you are we aren't talking about museums but churches. Try to keep up if you are capable.
You know something Purple Lady, we are more alike than apart. :thumbsup: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on December 08, 2016, 04:06:00 PM
You know something Purple Lady, we are more alike than apart. :thumbsup: :haha:
I thought you would be interested in what I told you.
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 08, 2016, 03:26:32 PM
No where does it show where the current law REQUIRES you to register. Did you see it and I missed it?
:rolleyes:
Not only are you to lazy to read, you're too lazy and unwilling to Google anything that undermines your stupid conspiracy theories.
Here's another post you won't pay any attention to:
http://banksbrower.com/2014/04/18/indianas-sex-and-violent-offender-registry-and-the-crimes-that-require-it/
SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY CHART:
As a general matter, if you are classified as a "sex or violent offender," registration is required for 10 years. If classified as a "sexually violent predator" or in select other situations, registration is required for life.
Quote from: Y on December 08, 2016, 04:44:31 PM
:rolleyes:
Not only are you to lazy to read, you're too lazy and unwilling to Google anything that undermines your stupid conspiracy theories.
Here's another post you won't pay any attention to:
http://banksbrower.com/2014/04/18/indianas-sex-and-violent-offender-registry-and-the-crimes-that-require-it/
SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY CHART:
As a general matter, if you are classified as a "sex or violent offender," registration is required for 10 years. If classified as a "sexually violent predator" or in select other situations, registration is required for life.
I'm neither lazy nor unwilling. But for you to accept that, you'd have to admit you were wrong about me all the time...and you certainly don't have the manhood for that.
I was wrong. I presented false information.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 08, 2016, 03:35:56 PM
Idiot that you are, they have financial statements sent out and it shows where money goes. Good try on trying to phish for information as usual but it won't work. If you were half as smart as you would try to be you would still be stupid.
By the way, dumbass that you are we aren't talking about museums but churches. Try to keep up if you are capable.
The thing with me is are they reporting all the money they collect since a lot of it is given in cash with no record to prove how much it was. Not saying they would do that but after shaking hands with some I count my fingers when done and feel my back. ;)
Quote from: parkerdivine on December 08, 2016, 03:26:32 PM
You're right, but assigning my motive is completely off. You don't know me, Y, so your assessment of me neither hits the mark or even tries to. Again, if you can't respond without being this ahole who thinks it is so important to attack my character, don't respond...as I won't respond back to one more instance of this.
Don't be ridiculous.
1) I - and others here - have known you for well over a decade and, unless you're going to claim you act differently online than you do IRL, we 'know' you.
2) I will respond to you in whatever manner seems appropriate to the content of your posts and within the forum guidelines.
3) I won't be fazed in any regard if you choose not to respond to me, and if you choose that line it won't place me under any obligation to ignore any of the tripe you post.
Have a good one. :wink:
Quote from: me on December 08, 2016, 04:54:53 PM
The thing with me is are they reporting all the money they collect since a lot of it is given in cash with no record to prove how much it was. Not saying they would do that but after shaking hands with some I count my fingers when done and feel my back. ;)
How about a few fact about the god fearing preachers. :preach: :pray: :pope:
Jole Osteen your Sunday morning preacher :preach: Is worth $40 million. He is paid $7.5 million a year and he lives in a $10.5 million mansion. :ghost: God sure is giving him a good life conning his flock. :baaa: :nowink:
Quote from: The Troll on December 08, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
How about a few fact about the god fearing preachers. :preach: :pray: :pope:
Jole Osteen your Sunday morning preacher :preach: Is worth $40 million. He is paid $7.5 million a year and he lives in a $10.5 million mansion. :ghost: God sure is giving him a good life conning his flock. :baaa: :nowink:
Well now, The Troll.....Olsteen is part of that good ol Born Again Evangelism..the group that has rewritten the Christian bible over 15 to make sure none of that nasty "helping the poor" remains. They say THEIR god loves the rich...hates the poor...why , they say, even CHRIST was given gold when he was born....
pretty screwed up and counter to what Christianity teaches but it apparently makes people feel good to judge others, not help the poor...and worship the rich.
So, for many born again evangelicals...Olsteen is nothing more than loved by God...on accounta he's rich.
Quote from: The Troll on December 08, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
How about a few fact about the god fearing preachers. :preach: :pray: :pope:
Jole Osteen your Sunday morning preacher :preach: Is worth $40 million. He is paid $7.5 million a year and he lives in a $10.5 million mansion. :ghost: God sure is giving him a good life conning his flock. :baaa: :nowink:
Preying on the desperate is their stock in trade. Fleece them and let GAWD sort them out.
Quote from: Palehorse on December 08, 2016, 09:09:34 PM
Preying on the desperate is their stock in trade. Fleece them and let GAWD sort them out.
And another thing, I am so god damn sick of the platitudes of these politicians, especially Pence saying I will pray for you or pray for these poor people. Anyone who who has a brain surely knows that praying :pray: don't work and it don't cost the person who says it a god damn thing. It's all pure bullshit. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on December 08, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
How about a few fact about the god fearing preachers. :preach: :pray: :pope:
Jole Osteen your Sunday morning preacher :preach: Is worth $40 million. He is paid $7.5 million a year and he lives in a $10.5 million mansion. :ghost: God sure is giving him a good life conning his flock. :baaa: :nowink:
I'm with ya on this guy........he is a scam artist! I only watched him a couple of times to see right through him.......but, he sure has a bunch fooled.......he fills up an arena!
Another thing I have noted on him is that he NEVER quotes scripture.........he swings his bible around but never quotes a word from it! He always has a "Feel Good" message to make everyone the warm & fuzzies.....so they whip out their billfolds and purses.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 09, 2016, 03:44:16 PM
I'm with ya on this guy........he is a scam artist! I only watched him a couple of times to see right through him.......but, he sure has a bunch fooled.......he fills up an arena!
Another thing I have noted on him is that he NEVER quotes scripture.........he swings his bible around but never quotes a word from it! He always has a "Feel Good" message to make everyone the warm & fuzzies.....so they whip out their billfolds and purses.....
Amen brother Hawk. :thumbsup: :tiphat:
Quote from: The Troll on December 09, 2016, 03:47:18 PM
Amen brother Hawk. :thumbsup: :tiphat:
All those so called TV preachers do that. Beg for money and not about saving your soul
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on December 09, 2016, 04:23:27 PM
All those so called TV preachers do that. Beg for money and not about saving your soul
Charles Stanley is about the only one I give a tad of respect to...he isn't flashy, he preachers from the bible, he has a way of keeping you interested and able to understand his point.
But, with that being said, I am not a fan of TV gospel.......nor, have I found a local pastor that can keep me coming back.........I haven't been to church on a regular basis for about 10 years now.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 09, 2016, 04:42:26 PM
Charles Stanley is about the only one I give a tad of respect to...he isn't flashy, he preachers from the bible, he has a way of keeping you interested and able to understand his point.
But, with that being said, I am not a fan of TV gospel.......nor, have I found a local pastor that can keep me coming back.........I haven't been to church on a regular basis for about 10 years now.
I actually visited Charles Stanley's church for a service one time when I was in Atlanta.
That was a
long time ago before I became a heathen. :icon_twisted: ;D
Quote from: Locutus on December 09, 2016, 04:46:40 PM
I actually visited Charles Stanley's church for a service one time when I was in Atlanta.
That was a long time ago before I became a heathen. :icon_twisted: ;D
That's pretty cool....
Do you agree that he is a very simple speaker and explains himself very well?
You heathen! ;D (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/icon_twisted.gif)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 09, 2016, 04:56:01 PM
That's pretty cool....
Do you agree that he is a very simple speaker and explains himself very well?
You heathen! ;D (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/Smileys3/default/icon_twisted.gif)
Yes. He's a sincere man with deep convictions.
He would still be one of my favorites had I not figured out that the whole 'God' thing is a big fat hoax. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on December 09, 2016, 04:58:46 PM
Yes. He's a sincere man with deep convictions.
He would still be one of my favorites had I not figured out that the whole 'God' thing is a big fat hoax. ;D
8) ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 09, 2016, 05:03:43 PM
8) ;)
I had a job where I got to talk to several preachers :preach: I asked them if they ever had a religious experience. :confused: Everyone said they didn't. :no: But one said, that his dad a preacher, :preach: that while he was typing his sermon for one Sunday morning, the paper in the typewriter caught on fire. :think: Anyone believe that? :no: I didn't. :wait: :bs:
Quote from: The Troll on December 11, 2016, 03:56:24 PM
I had a job where I got to talk to several preachers :preach: I asked them if they ever had a religious experience. :confused: Everyone said they didn't. :no: But one said, that his dad a preacher, :preach: that while he was typing his sermon for one Sunday morning, the paper in the typewriter caught on fire. :think: Anyone believe that? :no: I didn't. :wait: :bs:
He must have been typing damn fast! :wink: :biggrin:
In talking to these preachers :preach: Get them away from their bible and they don't know shit about nothing and I mean nothing about nothing. :rolleyes: :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 10, 2016, 10:50:32 AM
Outside of Trump starting a nuclear war, I doubt I'll suffer much at all but people like Henry and 'me' will and they deserve everything they get.
You'd best be careful what you wish for. :eek:
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He's fuckin' crazy.
Quote from: Locutus on December 23, 2016, 12:01:25 PM
You'd best be careful what you wish for. :eek:
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He's fuckin' crazy.
They said the same thing about Reagan....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 23, 2016, 12:49:56 PM
They said the same thing about Reagan....
Do you think that tweet is appropriate Hank?
Quote from: Locutus on December 23, 2016, 12:59:54 PM
Do you think that tweet is appropriate Hank?
I will hold my thoughts.....I have learned not to 2nd guess this guy.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on December 23, 2016, 01:04:58 PM
I will hold my thoughts.....I have learned not to 2nd guess this guy.
He's scary and dangerous Hank, and amazingly misinformed.
Quote from: Locutus on December 23, 2016, 01:06:17 PM
He's scary and dangerous Hank, and amazingly misinformed.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot.
Quote from: Locutus on December 23, 2016, 12:01:25 PM
You'd best be careful what you wish for. :eek:
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He's fuckin' crazy.
Indeed! This and the two others he sent out are validation of the fact he is fucking crazy!
:spooked: :spooked: :spooked: :eek: :eek: :eek: :mad: :mad: :mad:
That tweet has over 63,000 likes. :mad:
Quote from: AbbyTC on December 23, 2016, 07:01:37 PM
That tweet has over 63,000 likes. :mad:
...from 63,000 idiots.
Quote from: Locutus on December 23, 2016, 07:03:38 PM
...from 63,000 idiots.
Likely another 630,000 that don't have the guts to take off their sheets too! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Now this probably the only thing I agree with Trump on. But, let us look at the truth. We have let our atomic bombs and atomic force go to hell. Poor maintenance of the bombs, drugs in the human force that protects us and the bombs. Hell, we don't have any way to produce Plutonium and we are using years old technology to keep up the bombs we have now. What do people think that is keeping the Russians and the Chinese off of us, good faith. :rant: :yes:
With Russia, China building up their atomic force and their military actions in taking over land in neighboring countries, building up their navies, airplanes, fighters and bombers, aircraft carriers and atomic submarines. China building islands in the China Sea and putting missiles on them. We can not rest on our laurels and set on our ass doing nothing. :groan:
The Obama administration has actually already begun a nuclear weapon modernization program. See this link:
U.S. Ramping Up Major Renewal in Nuclear Arms (https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/us/us-ramping-up-major-renewal-in-nuclear-arms.html)
Quote from: The Troll on December 23, 2016, 07:46:49 PM
We have let our atomic bombs and atomic force go to hell. Poor maintenance of the bombs, drugs in the human force that protects us and the bombs. Hell, we don't have any way to produce Plutonium and we are using years old technology to keep up the bombs we have now.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: Exterminator on December 23, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Well Brain :genius: you haven't read some of the information that I have read. :read: :thubb:
Quote from: Locutus on October 28, 2016, 02:36:32 PM
So is Trump. Remember, he really doesn't want to be president. :wink:
^^
Prescient words given the contents of the book. :wink:
Quote from: Locutus on January 05, 2018, 10:47:53 PM
^^
Prescient words given the contents of the book. :wink:
Yes Sir, he got what he really didn't want. :haha: :haha: :haha: When it's all over Trump is going to lose a whole lot of money and his brand "TRump" will be worth shit. :haha: :haha: :trustme:
All I can do is laugh.....you guys, who really believed you knew more than anyone...you KNEW there was NO way a republican would win the POTUS......NO WAY we could beat the blue wall.....NO WAY Trump would EVER win.........NO WAY!!! ;D
Now you are experts once again........ :yes: :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 08, 2018, 04:18:33 PM
All I can do is laugh.....you guys, who really believed you knew more than anyone...you KNEW there was NO way a republican would win the POTUS......NO WAY we could beat the blue wall.....NO WAY Trump would EVER win.........NO WAY!!! ;D
Now you are experts once again........ :yes: :razz:
Look in the mirror. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 08, 2018, 04:18:33 PM
All I can do is laugh.....you guys, who really believed you knew more than anyone...you KNEW there was NO way a republican would win the POTUS......NO WAY we could beat the blue wall.....NO WAY Trump would EVER win.........NO WAY!!!
We were certainly guilty of underestimating the power of stupid people in large numbers!
Quote from: Exterminator on January 09, 2018, 08:03:07 AM
We were certainly guilty of underestimating the power of stupid people in large numbers!
Indeed. Hopefully it is a mistake we will not repeat.
Only problem is these insidious morons are multiplying. . . :mad:
Hateful... :no:
another reason as to why Trump won.......
Hateful liberals. :yes:
America is sick of'em.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 09, 2018, 01:43:35 PM
Hateful... :no:
another reason as to why Trump won.......
Hateful liberals. :yes:
America is sick of'em.
Not all Americans are sick of us. :wink: Just wait until 2018 when we wipe you ass with a gasoline soak corn cob, light it and watch how long it takes you to run out of gas. :haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 09, 2018, 01:43:35 PM
Hateful... :no:
another reason as to why Trump won.......
Hateful liberals. :yes:
America is sick of'em.
Says the guy whose idol spews hate every single day. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on January 10, 2018, 12:40:54 AM
Says the guy whose idol spews hate every single day. . .
That is all I see on here anymore.
Why do you insinuate he is my idol? Was Hillary YOUR idol?
:rolleyes:
Give me an example of Trump spewing hate.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 10, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
That is all I see on here anymore.
Why do you insinuate he is my idol? Was Hillary YOUR idol?
:rolleyes:
Give me an example of Trump spewing hate.
I didn't vote for either one of them. Period.
Take a look at the Raging Cheeto s twitter feed. It is replete with examples. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on January 11, 2018, 12:19:07 AM
I didn't vote for either one of them. Period.
Take a look at the Raging Cheeto s twitter feed. It is replete with examples. . .
I have and there isn't any examples, at least not on a daily basis as you claim.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 11, 2018, 08:18:52 AM
I have and there isn't any examples, at least not on a daily basis as you claim.
Seriously? Can you read?
Quote from: Exterminator on January 11, 2018, 08:44:39 AM
Seriously? Can you read?
Rhetorical question I know. . .
He wants this country to become a shithole. 😡
You know, I am just plain sick of Hawk's stupidity and blindness of Donald Trump. :puke:
Quote from: The Troll on January 13, 2018, 11:22:10 AM
You know, I am just plain sick of Hawk's stupidity and blindness of Donald Trump. :puke:
Fiat Chrysler adds to business boom! They plan to move plant from Mexico to Michigan, add jobs & give employees $120M in bonuses....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 15, 2018, 01:08:12 PM
Fiat Chrysler adds to business boom! They plan to move plant from Mexico to Michigan, add jobs & give employees $120M in bonuses....
Faux News (and the media in general) forgot to read the fine print on these "bonus" plans they're spewing about. . . Most of WalMarts bonuses will only be enjoyed by those having 18 years or more with them. The balance will receive decreasing levels of bonuses based upon their tenue; or lack of it.
I'd venture to say the same is going to be the case with Fiat-Chrysler as well. . . with only high tenured employees seeing these bonuses. . . (And I drive a Jeep manufactured in Italy by Fiat-Chrysler). :mad:
Aren't most bonuses,with the exception of sales, based on length of service?
Quote from: Anne on January 15, 2018, 06:30:53 PM
Aren't most bonuses,with the exception of sales, based on length of service?
Yes...
It is almost comical how doom and gloom ANYTHING can be when you are full of bias and hate.
Quote from: Anne on January 15, 2018, 06:30:53 PM
Aren't most bonuses,with the exception of sales, based on length of service?
Not anywhere I've ever worked; they're based on performance.
Quote from: Exterminator on January 16, 2018, 08:27:42 AM
Not anywhere I've ever worked; they're based on performance.
My company has done both. There is a tenure based and a performance based.
The bottom line, is......now that many business' are getting taxed less, they are using it to pass out bonus' and give raises to their employee's. But somehow, it is a bad thing still........... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on January 16, 2018, 08:27:42 AM
Not anywhere I've ever worked; they're based on performance.
Same everywhere I've worked as well. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 16, 2018, 09:11:54 AM
The bottom line, is......now that many business' are getting taxed less, they are using it to pass out bonus' and give raises to their employee's. But somehow, it is a bad thing still........... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 16, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
- - -
So if the government is losing revenues in order to provide tax breaks to business, where is it going to make up the difference in its revenue stream at? . . .
Cause you know those congressional junkets and trips aren't going to pay for themselves don't yah?
Quote from: Palehorse on January 16, 2018, 06:46:00 PM
So if the government is losing revenues in order to provide tax breaks to business, where is it going to make up the difference in its revenue stream at? . . .
Cause you know those congressional junkets and trips aren't going to pay for themselves don't yah?
Okay....PH, JFK, Reagan, and George W. Bush has already proved this............by reducing taxes, it does indeed stimulate our economic activity, which leads to an increase in government receipts. You can't argue with history! It is always a "win - win".
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2018, 10:00:37 AM
Okay....PH, JFK, Reagan, and George W. Bush has already proved this............by reducing taxes, it does indeed stimulate our economic activity, which leads to an increase in government receipts. You can't argue with history! It is always a "win - win".
What were the cornerstones to the economic declination that began in 2007 and from which the national economy is still struggling to emerge?
How will governmental receipts increase within a stagnant and depressed wage labor pool?
Quote from: Palehorse on January 17, 2018, 10:40:57 AM
What were the cornerstones to the economic declination that began in 2007 and from which the national economy is still struggling to emerge?
How will governmental receipts increase within a stagnant and depressed wage labor pool?
How will they increase without stimulating the economy and encouraging business to re-invest?
Tell the truth Hawk. What really built this country? Interstates, highways, bridges, airports, railroads, dams, city government buildings, federal buildings, military, navy, air force, electric grids and many more things.
TAXES, DUMBASS!
When you reduce taxes to nothing, everything falls apart. When the Interstate Highways were built the super rich paid 90% taxes. Now they pay 26% and you can see what has happened. :rant:
Quote from: The Troll on January 17, 2018, 12:10:56 PM
Tell the truth Hawk. What really built this country? Interstates, highways, bridges, airports, railroads, dams, city government buildings, federal buildings, military, navy, air force, electric grids and many more things.
TAXES, DUMBASS!
When you reduce taxes to nothing, everything falls apart. When the Interstate Highways were built the super rich paid 90% taxes. Now they pay 26% and you can see what has happened. :rant:
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Hey goofball the top 20 percent of folks who file a tax return....pay 95 percent of the taxes........we don't have a revenue problem.....we have a spending problem.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2018, 01:25:44 PM
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Hey goofball the top 20 percent of folks who file a tax return....pay 95 percent of the taxes........we don't have a revenue problem.....we have a spending problem.
That goes to show just how fucked up you are. You care more about Multi Millionaires and Billionaire than you care about anything else. You're Crazy. :poop:
Quote from: The Troll on January 17, 2018, 07:17:35 PM
That goes to show just how fucked up you are. You care more about Multi Millionaires and Billionaire than you care about anything else. You're Crazy. :poop:
You have a screw loose old man!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 17, 2018, 10:00:37 AM
Okay....PH, JFK, Reagan, and George W. Bush has already proved this............by reducing taxes, it does indeed stimulate our economic activity, which leads to an increase in government receipts. You can't argue with history! It is always a "win - win".
Are you still spouting this lie even after it has been proven to you over and over and over again that it's false?
Quote from: Exterminator on January 18, 2018, 09:45:28 AM
Are you still spouting this lie even after it has been proven to you over and over and over again that it's false?
Ex, you have NEVER proven this to be wrong........
1997-1998
According to the Congressional Budget Office, the average federal tax rate for the top one percent of income earners fell by 1.1 percentage points in 1997 and a further 1.5 percentage points in 1998.
Despite the cut, individual income tax revenues rose by 9.8 percent in 1997 and 10.6 percent in 1998, even after adjusting for inflation. The economy continued to grow at a quick pace. As a percentage of GDP, combined individual and corporate income tax revenue rose by 4.4 percent in 1997 and 4.8 percent in 1998.
In 1996, the CBO projected that individual income tax revenues would be 8.4 percent of GDP in 1997 and 1998. Even though t
he top 1 percent paid lower tax rates in 1997 and 1998 compared to 1996, revenue exceeded the CBO's projections, coming in at 8.7 percent of GDP in 1997 and 9.3 percent of GDP in 1998.
1987-1989
In 1987, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 took effect, cutting corporate income tax rates. Among other changes, income above $1.4 million was taxed at 40 percent instead of 46 percent. In 1988, it was cut even further to 34 percent. Except for one, every quarter from 1987 to 1989 experienced annualized economic growth above five percent. Inflation-adjusted corporate i
ncome tax revenue rose every year over the same time period: 28.3 percent in 1987, 8.2 percent in 1988, and 4.3 percent in 1989. As a percent of GDP,
corporate income tax revenue rose from 1.4 percent to 1.8 percent in 1987, and then increased slightly again in 1988 and 1989.In January 1987, the CBO released its economic and budget outlook for the following five years. In 2014 dollars, it projected total revenues would be $1.7 trillion in 1987, $1.8 trillion in 1988, and $1.8 trillion in 1989. Actual revenues exceeded projections by 2.4 percent in 1987, 1 percent in 1988, and 3 percent in 1989.
1985
In 1985, the total average federal tax rate paid by the top one percent of income earners fell to 26.1 percent from 27 percent. It fell again in 1986 to 24.6 percent. Even though the top one percent of earners were paying less in taxes, total income tax revenue grew by an inflation-adjusted 8.3 percent in 1985 and 2.3 percent in 1986. A
ctual income tax revenue in 1985 slightly exceeded CBO's revenue projections from January of that year, by about $3 billion inflation-adjusted dollars.The tax cuts of the 1920'sTax rates were slashed dramatically during the 1920s, dropping from over 70 percent to less than 25 percent. What happened? Personal income tax revenues increased substantially during the 1920s, despite the reduction in rates.
Revenues rose from $719 million in 1921 to $1164 million in 1928, an increase of more than 61 percent.
President Kennedy proposed across-the-board tax rate reductions that reduced the top tax rate from more than 90 percent down to 70 percent. What happened?
Tax revenues climbed from $94 billion in 1961 to $153 billion in 1968, an increase of 62 percent (33 percent after adjusting for inflation).
Hey, Goony Hawk. You're a big electrical business man. :rotfl: Let's say Trump isn't president. Would you and the company you work for, do a 2 million dollar electrical job for him, being paid for job after the job is completed? :wink: After seeing Trump's paying record for the other business he has done with other businesses and all of his bankruptcies. Come on please tell us. :haha: :haha: I'll bet you wouldn't loan him a cent. :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on January 18, 2018, 06:20:31 PM
Hey, Goony Hawk. You're a big electrical business man. :rotfl: Let's say Trump isn't president. Would you and the company you work for, do a 2 million dollar electrical job for him, being paid for job after the job is completed? :wink: After seeing Trump's paying record for the other business he has done with other businesses and all of his bankruptcies. Come on please tell us. :haha: :haha: I'll bet you wouldn't loan him a cent. :haha:
Cricket, Cricket, Cricket. Come on Bunky Boy tell us. Would you and your company do any work for Trump on credit. :biggrin: It's a fat chance you wouldn't. :trustme:
Quote from: The Troll on January 19, 2018, 02:27:16 PM
Cricket, Cricket, Cricket. Come on Bunky Boy tell us. Would you and your company do any work for Trump on credit. :biggrin: It's a fat chance you wouldn't. :trustme:
Damn right I would and YOU would too!!!!! If he needed a plumber and you was still in business, you would be there saying Yes sir!!...and YOU know it!
He didn't become a Billionaire by screwing people......he did it because he was GOOD! PERIOD.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 19, 2018, 02:43:36 PM
He didn't become a Billionaire by screwing people......he did it because he was GOOD! PERIOD.
Uh, if he had simply invested the money his father gave him and done nothing but reinvest the interest, he'd be worth $4 billion more than he claims he is now. Actively losing $4 billion is not good in any sense of the word.