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Exterminator

#525
October 27, 2016, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 01:44:33 PM
No crickets...

3 Economic Statistics that Predict Donald Trump Will Be Our Next President - Fortune.com

That has absolutely nothing to do with the information I posted.   :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

#526
October 27, 2016, 02:08:42 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 01:44:33 PM
No crickets...

3 Economic Statistics that Predict Donald Trump Will Be Our Next President - Fortune.com

I'll say it again.  Two weeks from today, you'll be saying, "President-elect Clinton."  ;D
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

#527
October 27, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
HH, let me ask you another question.  Do you think Trump really wants to win this election, and if so, why is he acting the way he's acting?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

#528
October 27, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 02:08:42 PM
I'll say it again.  Two weeks from today, you'll be saying, "President-elect Clinton."  ;D

And we'll be saying, "you lost, get over it."   :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#529
October 27, 2016, 02:27:29 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 27, 2016, 01:51:35 PM
That has absolutely nothing to do with the information I posted.   :rolleyes:

Whatever..........

Let's talk about a few economic facts:

Federal Spending is above the 40 year average and most of his term was off the charts...
Home ownership is lowest since the Carter era...
Manufacturing employment, at nearly 12.3 million in May, was still 2.2 percent below where it was when Obama took office...
Obama will leave office with the fourth worst economic record in US history.

Assuming 2.67% RGDP growth for 2016, Obama will leave office having produced an average of 1.55% growth. This would place his presidency fourth from the bottom of the list of 39*, above only those of Herbert Hoover (-5.65%), Andrew Johnson (-0.70%) and Theodore Roosevelt (1.41%) Louis Woodhill


More people have been added to the food-stamp rolls than the job rolls under Obama...

According to Forbes: Our labor-force participation remains at its lowest level since 1978. Don't blame waves of retirement for that fact: the Census Bureau reported that, from 2005 to 2010, older Americans actually became more likely to be employed. The percentage of 65-69 year-olds remaining in the workforce jumped from 26 percent to 32 percent over a ten-year-period ending in 2012. Among those 70-74 the jump was even more startling: from 14 percent to 19.5 percent. Meanwhile workers in the prime of their lives have simply left the playing field.

Maybe this doesn't have anything to do with what you posted, but it DOES reflect MY POINT on the economy.......and the American people are quite aware of it.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

#530
October 27, 2016, 02:29:57 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 02:09:29 PM
HH, let me ask you another question.  Do you think Trump really wants to win this election, and if so, why is he acting the way he's acting?
Yes. He act the way he does, because that is who he is.  He ISN'T a polished politician.  He is a flamboyant businessman.  I find it somewhat refreshing to have an opportunity like this, than another creepy-assed, crooked, lyin, POS Politician.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

#531
October 27, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 02:29:57 PM
Yes. He act the way he does, because that is who he is.  He ISN'T a polished politician.  He is a flamboyant businessman.  I find it somewhat refreshing to have an opportunity like this, than another creepy-assed, crooked, lyin, POS Politician.

I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but something about him and the way he's acting makes me think he really doesn't want the burden of the presidency, and especially the encumbering effect it would have on his ability to do business and make money.  I also wonder, had he known at the time that he would be the eventual nominee, if he would have entered the race to begin with. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

#532
October 27, 2016, 03:04:57 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on October 27, 2016, 02:23:11 PM
And we'll be saying, "you lost, get over it."   :biggrin:

:yes:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

#533
October 27, 2016, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 02:27:29 PM
Let's talk about a few economic facts:

Federal Spending is above the 40 year average and most of his term was off the charts...

The annual federal budget deficit when Obama took office was over $1.4 trillion.  In 2016, it was $587 billion and is projected to be $504 billion in 2017.  That is a reduction of over 60%.  How is this trajectory a bad thing?

QuoteHome ownership is lowest since the Carter era...

So the federal government should buy people houses now?

QuoteManufacturing employment, at nearly 12.3 million in May, was still 2.2 percent below where it was when Obama took office...

Manufacturing has been declining in this country for decades and will continue to do so.  Those jobs are gone and are never coming back.  Never. Coming. Back.  The quicker people understand this fundamental change in our economy and embrace it, the better off they'll be.

QuoteObama will leave office with the fourth worst economic record in US history.

According to neocon websites.  People like you who are bad at math eat that shit up.   :rolleyes:

QuoteMaybe this doesn't have anything to do with what you posted, but it DOES reflect MY POINT on the economy.......and the American people are quite aware of it.

For the most part, the people primarily disenfranchised by the current economic conditions are uneducated white men.  Maybe instead of blaming everyone else, they should do what they're always telling others to and work to improve their own situation.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#534
October 27, 2016, 03:43:56 PM
spin, spin, spin.... :yes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

#535
October 27, 2016, 03:45:08 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 03:43:56 PM
spin, spin, spin.... :yes:

Please tell me you're not like 'me' who would claim a piece of paper is black when a white one is on the table in front of her.  :no:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

#536
October 27, 2016, 03:52:02 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 03:45:08 PM
Please tell me you're not like 'me' who would claim a piece of paper is black when a white one is on the table in front of her.  :no:

They hate facts because they illustrate that their political decisions are made for reasons that have nothing to do with what is actually best for the country.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#537
October 27, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
Quote from: Locutus on October 27, 2016, 03:45:08 PM
Please tell me you're not like 'me' who would claim a piece of paper is black when a white one is on the table in front of her.  :no:

Not sure what you are talking about.......all I know is, everything I posted is true. Ex, spins.  That is another fact.  You guys agree politically, so you accept his spins.  It is about that simple.

with that being said.........I am on the cusps of being overly busy once again.  I had a small down time today, but back at it again tomorrow...........so, I probably will not be involved again for a spell.....

later gators!
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#538
October 27, 2016, 05:17:00 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 27, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
...all I know is, everything I posted is true. Ex, spins.  That is another fact.  You guys agree politically, so you accept his spins.

I post facts backed by hard evidence.  You post hyperbole and uninformed opinion backed by nothing.  Logical, educated people who cross-check the validity of the information I post agree with me.  Uneducated, gullible mouth-breathers agree with you.  These are the real facts.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

me

#539
October 27, 2016, 06:28:03 PM
QuoteDeficits Are Quietly Rising Again - Threatening Growth
Oct.25.16 | About: SPDR S&P (SPY)

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Navellier.com

By Gary Alexander

It's time to follow-up on two of my recent promises before we turn the calendar to the market's historical sweet spot - namely, the advent of blessed November next Tuesday morning. First, in my Growth Mail of September 27, I examined the Big 3 economic indicators (jobs, inflation, and GDP growth), promising to cover "another important statistic to be released soon - the Fiscal 2016 U.S. Budget Deficit."

Well, that day of reckoning is here. The U.S. Treasury reported on October 14th that the federal deficit rose by 34% in fiscal-year 2016 (which ended September 30, 2016), rising from $438 billion in fiscal-2015 to $587 billion in the fiscal year just ended. In President Obama's eight years in office, he increased the red ink in Washington by more than $7 trillion, including four straight trillion-dollar deficits in his first term:

The Obama Years Deficits Table

When President Obama took office, the public debt as a share of U.S. GDP was 48%. Now, it's 77%.

One big reason for this year's rising deficit is a 12% decline in corporate tax receipts. This is partly due to the earnings recession over the last five or six quarters, but it's also due to America's world-leading 39% corporate tax rate, which drives many corporations into tax "inversions." High tax rates motivate multinational firms to retain their foreign earnings in foreign lands. Meanwhile, small businesses are dying faster than new ones are being born due to a slow-growing economy and heavy regulations on business.

A quick and easy solution to this particular tax shortfall would be to cut the top corporate tax rate in half.

Politicians, of course, disagree, believing that their pie-in-the-sky rhetoric will deliver more services at less cost. In last week's third and final presidential debate, moderator Chris Wallace finally raised the all-important subject of deficits and runaway spending, which both candidates proceeded to avoid creatively.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/4014488-deficits-quietly-rising-threatening-growth

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51908
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