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General Election 2016 - Trump v. Clinton

Started by Locutus, June 08, 2016, 02:30:20 PM

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The Troll

Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Wonder if they have a Sarah Palin doll on sale too.  ;D

  I know for one sure, I am not going to converse with ParkerDivine.   :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:  I have got to put my head back on straight after hearing all of her illogical and brainless bullshit.  WOW! What bullshit. :bs:  :bsflag: can she put out.  :haha:  :haha:  I am taking a vacation away from her for a while.   :island: :koolaid:

AbbyTC

In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

parkerdivine

Quote from: The Troll on November 07, 2016, 06:43:16 PM
  I know for one sure, I am not going to converse with ParkerDivine.   :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:  I have got to put my head back on straight after hearing all of her illogical and brainless bullshit.  WOW! What bullshit. :bs:  :bsflag: can she put out.  :haha:  :haha:  I am taking a vacation away from her for a while.   :island: :koolaid:

Suits me fine, The Troll.  I prefer people who understand what is going on from an in depth research into the issues.  Neoliberals are the Clintons who called themselves the "New Democrats" and it's basically referred to as "Whyare we letting the republicans be the ONLY ones who get rich in office?"

It's okay, though.  Trying to discuss without bias and with an informed background is hard.  It's also rare.

parkerdivine

Quote from: Locutus on November 07, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Wonder if they have a Sarah Palin doll on sale too.  ;D

Maybe it's a voodoo doll.....would THAT be fun.... :icon_twisted: :yes:

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Hannity sums it all up for me with this statement....
"It's a choice between Donald J. Trump, a candidate who says he'll drain the swamp in Washington and bring about real change, or Hillary Clinton, the most corrupt career politician who's ever run for this office." – Sean Hannity
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Locutus

I can't wait to see that douchebag crying crocodile tears in the coming days. :big grin:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

Quote from: Locutus on November 08, 2016, 08:27:27 AM
I can't wait to see that douchebag crying crocodile tears in the coming days. :big grin:

You mean Henry?   :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus



Although I differ with Hank politically, I don't think he's a douchebag.  ;D

Sean Hannity, however, is definitely a douchebag.   :yes:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

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Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
I prefer people who understand what is going on from an in depth research into the issues.

Well that certainly lets you out!

Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
  Neoliberals are the Clintons who called themselves the "New Democrats" and it's basically referred to as "Whyare we letting the republicans be the ONLY ones who get rich in office?"

Get a clue:  Neoliberalism

Neoliberalism (neo-liberalism)[1] refers primarily to the 20th century resurgence of 19th century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism.[2]:7 These include extensive economic liberalization policies such as privatization, fiscal austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to enhance the role of the private sector in the economy.

Since you don't recognize that, it's Libertarianism.  Do you know who embraces it?  Obviously not the Democrats in general; the Repugs/CONservatives/Toilet Paper Party are the ones who have taken it to heart and use it as their guiding light. 

Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
Trying to discuss without bias and with an informed background is hard.  It's also rare.

So rare that it's non-existent from you.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

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©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

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Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 08, 2016, 08:15:58 AM
Hannity sums it all up for me with this statement....
"It's a choice between Donald J. Trump, a candidate who says he'll drain the swamp in Washington and bring about real change, or Hillary Clinton, the most corrupt career politician who's ever run for this office." – Sean Hannity

Hank, you know I like you, but that BS just shows how inherently stupid you are when it comes to things like politics etc..   :rolleyes:

As I've continually pointed out, Drumpf - if he's elected - cannot "drain the swamp" as it's beyond the president's purview - just like practically everything else he's promised you willing, gullible, idiots. 

Drumpf doesn't even have the sense or education - or willingness to educate himself - to learn about the powers of the job he's asking you idjits to elect him to.

And once again, the Clintons are THE most investigated politicians in history and there has never either a conviction or evidence of any crimes.  That just makes you, Hannity, and all the rest of you RW/Toilet Paper Party who continue to spew that crap just plain liars.

If you want someone corrupt, you'd better take a look at Drumpf's history.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

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Quote from: parkerdivine on November 07, 2016, 03:34:05 PM
No problem....please return the request from me to you.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4425135/Barack-Obama-to-allow-anti-terror-rendition-to-continue.html

There's been no retraction of it I have heard of to date.

That's just like you to look for and use a link making an assumption and you run with it making assumptions of your own.

If you had any sense, you'd know a denial or a repudiation would not mean the Bush practice would stop. 

On the other hand, the lack of a denial or a repudiation does not mean the Bush practice was going to be continued.

Ergo, unless you have concrete evidence that proves to a reasonable person that Bush's practice of 'extreme rendition' has continued under Obama, you're just talking out your arse as usual.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

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Ya' know, it's gotten to the point that it just pizzes me off when people complain about 'term limits' and 'draining the swamp' because both of those are directly in the hands of the voters every time a congress person runs for re-election...

...and yet the same people that are always complaining re-elect the same ole' same ole' every election and expect differing results.

Now what was that common definition of insanity? 
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Locutus

One of my friends posted this very appropriate statement on Facebook:

This is the last thing I'm going to say regarding this whole election so if we're friends and you're still somehow undecided just give this a read. Tomorrow is Election Day. I know this election is difficult so I'm going to try and make the decision easier for you. If you hate both candidates, choose an issue that means something to you and vote for that.

Personally,
-I'm voting for the environment.
-I'm voting for our education system.
-I'm voting for women's reproductive rights.
-I'm voting for gun legislation reform.
-I'm voting for fair treatment of immigrants.
-I'm voting for LGBT rights.
-I'm voting for equality across the board.

...and these are just some reasons why I personally voted for our Democratic nominee. You don't have to like her guys, I sure don't, but she supports issues that affect every woman in our lives, every child in our lives, every immigrant in our lives, and every gay person in our lives. Most importantly she believes in climate change (scientific fact) and acknowledges it as an issue that affects everyone. The other candidate thinks it's a hoax and that alone is a huge red flag for me.

Ugh, Sandro "but I don't vote", "the whole thing is rigged", "I've got an askew, cynical view of the world and hate the whole process". If you stay home and don't vote the things I listed above are just some of the issues at stake in this election. The next President is going to appoint Supreme Court judges. Their decisions are felt across the country. Don't be one of the people that say "voting doesn't affect me so who cares". It does, I promise you in some way, shape or form the choices you're letting other people make for you will affect you and your loved ones. That's a fact.

To my friends that are disillusioned with the Democratic Party and want to vote third party. I feel your pain but this is not an election you want to gamble on. Trump stands against a lot of the causes you guys support. Everything I listed above is in danger of being reversed or have their budget slashed under a Trump presidency. There is a time and place for action and I will be by you all when that time comes, but this is not the way or time to go about it. Vote Blue now and let's work these next four years to build up support for your third party nominees and parties. You can't expect the presidency if you're just throwing Hail Mary's every 4 years. Let's do this right.

Anyways, that's all I got to say.

Oh I lied!
FLORIDA:
NO on Amendment 1
YES on Amendment 2

Now that's it. Later.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson