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Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

parkerdivine

I admit, I am in a quandry this election because I REFUSE to put the neoliberal democrats in office.  I wouldn't elect Clinton if my LIFE depended on it...giving W bush another term is not what I WANT for my grandchildren. Clinton is every bit the anti-American worker, pro-privatization, pro-war for profit Bush is...AND she shares the radical right wing fear of communism.  She is advocating war with China and Russia.

The one big advantage I can see in Trump over Clinton is that he is impeachable. He doesn't have the same backers Bush had and Clinton shares. Bush should have been impeached numerous times, but money kept him from it.  Same holds true for Clinton.

So, I am still the hardcore democratic liberal who canvassed for Bernie and voted for him in the primary, AND wrote him in when I voted early, but I will NOT back Clinton nor those who endorsed her and share her love of making money while in office in the democratic party.

Locutus

Well one of the two is going to get in.  I certainly don't want Trump.  He's simply dangerous in my opinion. 
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parkerdivine


The Troll

Quote from: parkerdivine on November 03, 2016, 05:15:24 PM
I admit, I am in a quandary this election because I REFUSE to put the neoliberal democrats in office.  I wouldn't elect Clinton if my LIFE depended on it...giving W bush another term is not what I WANT for my grandchildren. Clinton is every bit the anti-American worker, pro-privatization, pro-war for profit Bush is...AND she shares the radical right wing fear of communism.  She is advocating war with China and Russia.

The one big advantage I can see in Trump over Clinton is that he is impeachable. He doesn't have the same backers Bush had and Clinton shares. Bush should have been impeached numerous times, but money kept him from it.  Same holds true for Clinton.

So, I am still the hardcore democratic liberal who canvassed for Bernie and voted for him in the primary, AND wrote him in when I voted early, but I will NOT back Clinton nor those who endorsed her and share her love of making money while in office in the democratic party.


  I don't know where you got all of that information, but Buddy you got it all wrong.   :yes:  Somebody is really been lying to you, Hillary is not all you say she is.  Hillary has been questioned and questioned by the best Republican kangaroo hearings, accused on many things she has not done.  With all of the lying on her, questioning her for 30 years she has not been found guilty of anything the Republican has said she has done.  She is the best vetted, most qualified candidate for president in years and years.  :yes:  But really think about this, do you really want Donald Trump's finger on the Hydrogen bomb, the atomic bomb trigger, with his short temper.  Plus more damaging, pick the Supreme Court judges who will make the rules for us common people, look at all the bad laws the Supreme Court has passed already.  Giving corporations the same rights as humanbeings.  Just look at the damage it has done in this election.  Just open your eyes and see what the super rich (Trump and the other billionaires) has already done.


  Think about this, do you want a crook, thief who has been proven to steal money from his workers, old people, who has really grab strange women by the pu$$y ( in his own words)  Who is going on trial for raping a 13 year girl.  How would you like your wife or girl, family girls and women to be around him alone, by themselves, alone.

  A thief who is going on trail for fraud of old people with his fraudulent Trump University.

  A guy who lost $1,000,000,000 or one billion dollars in one year and hasn't paid one single dollar in federal tax in at least 8 years.  Not one dollar for the military, one dollar for roads, bridges, airports that he lands his private jet airliner. Flies and lands in our air and ground with out paying one dime in federal tax

  A man who has committed adultery many times, a man who will lie before he will tell you the truth, like not showing his tax papers so  you can see if he has give as much money to charity as he said he has and if he has use his Trump Charity fund for himself and his company.  To see if he has done business with Russian billionaires and the Russian government, the same guy that ask Putin and the Russian government hackers to hack American citizens.

  Come on man, don't be like Henry and :me:, people who have their head up their ass.  Go on YouTube and read the many crooked and bad things has Donald Trump done and then ask yourself.

                                                                          DO YOU REALLY TRUST TRUMP ENOUGH TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

                                                                                                                :4th3:

                                                                                       The answer is NO!  Because the Republican Party  :zoners: 


me

Quote from: Exterminator on November 03, 2016, 01:08:31 PM
You Trumpanzees get more desperate and more ridiculous with each passing day.   :rolleyes:
Why? Seems as though the Trumpanzees, as you put it, are polling ahead and have many more people turning out for their campaign speeches than the Hillary people. Seems to me like the dems are the desperate ones.
Trump 2020

The Troll

Quote from: me on November 03, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
Why? Seems as though the Trumpanzees, as you put it, are polling ahead and have many more people turning out for their campaign speeches than the Hillary people. Seems to me like the dems are the desperate ones.

  All I got to say is, there are a lot of people who have been sold a bunch of fucking lies.  :angry:  I will guarantee that if Trump is elected you are going to see this country take a real bad fall.   :yes:  The stock market is going to crash and the billionaires are going to make a killing.   :yes: :mad:  You will see 28 million people lose their health insurance and it will not be replaced with anything.  The wall will not be built and this country is going to come to a complete stop.  :stop:  :stop:   And Baby Dolly  :gorgeous:  you get prepared to shove your head up Trump's ass :mooning:  :X:  But by then it will be to late. :sarcasm: :@#%&: :blah:

The Troll

Quote from: parkerdivine on November 03, 2016, 06:43:55 PM
Maybe, but he's impeachable.

  He might be impeachable, but the Republican will control the White House and the Supreme Court.   :rant:  How does that grab you Parker baby.  :cry:  :cry:

  Go out tomorrow and buy the new "News Week" magazine.  It has a story why the Russians are supporting Donald Trump. :pigdance:  From what I hear, you might not think so much of the Pig Donald.  But, I don't know if you can understand it, being on drugs and weed.  :haha:  :haha:   A real Democrat voting for Pig Trump?  :angry:  There are two other candidates you can split your vote on.  Or you can leave the president spot empty, damn, that's a good idea.   :idea3: :idea3: :idea3: :idea3: :sweatdrop: :toothless:

Palehorse

So that post brings up a good question surrounding who would assume the presidency should America choose "none of the above" in the upcoming election?

Speaker of the House?
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Exterminator

Quote from: me on November 03, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
Why? Seems as though the Trumpanzees, as you put it, are polling ahead and have many more people turning out for their campaign speeches than the Hillary people.

The Trumpanzees have plenty of time to attend rallies because they're like you...they don't work!
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

parkerdivine

Quote from: The Troll on November 03, 2016, 06:54:38 PM

  I don't know where you got all of that information, but Buddy you got it all wrong.   :yes:  Somebody is really been lying to you, Hillary is not all you say she is.  Hillary has been questioned and questioned by the best Republican kangaroo hearings, accused on many things she has not done.  With all of the lying on her, questioning her for 30 years she has not been found guilty of anything the Republican has said she has done.  She is the best vetted, most qualified candidate for president in years and years.  :yes:  But really think about this, do you really want Donald Trump's finger on the Hydrogen bomb, the atomic bomb trigger, with his short temper.  Plus more damaging, pick the Supreme Court judges who will make the rules for us common people, look at all the bad laws the Supreme Court has passed already.  Giving corporations the same rights as humanbeings.  Just look at the damage it has done in this election.  Just open your eyes and see what the super rich (Trump and the other billionaires) has already done.


  Think about this, do you want a crook, thief who has been proven to steal money from his workers, old people, who has really grab strange women by the pu$$y ( in his own words)  Who is going on trial for raping a 13 year girl.  How would you like your wife or girl, family girls and women to be around him alone, by themselves, alone.

  A thief who is going on trail for fraud of old people with his fraudulent Trump University.

  A guy who lost $1,000,000,000 or one billion dollars in one year and hasn't paid one single dollar in federal tax in at least 8 years.  Not one dollar for the military, one dollar for roads, bridges, airports that he lands his private jet airliner. Flies and lands in our air and ground with out paying one dime in federal tax

  A man who has committed adultery many times, a man who will lie before he will tell you the truth, like not showing his tax papers so  you can see if he has give as much money to charity as he said he has and if he has use his Trump Charity fund for himself and his company.  To see if he has done business with Russian billionaires and the Russian government, the same guy that ask Putin and the Russian government hackers to hack American citizens.

  Come on man, don't be like Henry and :me:, people who have their head up their ass.  Go on YouTube and read the many crooked and bad things has Donald Trump done and then ask yourself.

                                                                          DO YOU REALLY TRUST TRUMP ENOUGH TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

                                                                                                                :4th3:

                                                                                       The answer is NO!  Because the Republican Party  :zoners:

Yeah, yeah, yeah...the old "Quit picking on the girl. She's innocent." cries of the Clinton campaign.  I'm not pro-Trump...I'm anti-Cinton. and MANY of the reasons are the special treatment she is given when others served time for the exact behavior.

She STOLE White House furniture and had to be ORDERED to return it. WHITE HOUSE FURNITURE.  Who does that?  She has NO moral compass and NO indicator of what's right. She's a pathological liar and her lies now have her on record of lying to Congress.  Her continued "I was unaware" SCREAMS this woman is incompetent and could NOT run the White House; hence her selling it to Arabs and Israelis and multinational corporations.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/

You don't get steeped in controversy regarding the law because you are being "picked on" by the republicans. You get steeped in controversy regarding the law because you are breaking the law.

Tell me this, how many times do you think George W Bush broke the law?  Why wasn't HE prosecuted? Want a hint?  Because the same rich people backed him.

parkerdivine

Quote from: Palehorse on November 03, 2016, 11:44:08 PM
So that post brings up a good question surrounding who would assume the presidency should America choose "none of the above" in the upcoming election?

Speaker of the House?

Write in Bernard Sanders.  You CAN do that in Indiana.

parkerdivine

Quote from: The Troll on November 03, 2016, 10:49:46 PM
  He might be impeachable, but the Republican will control the White House and the Supreme Court.   :rant:  How does that grab you Parker baby.  :cry:  :cry:

  Go out tomorrow and buy the new "News Week" magazine.  It has a story why the Russians are supporting Donald Trump. :pigdance:  From what I hear, you might not think so much of the Pig Donald.  But, I don't know if you can understand it, being on drugs and weed.  :haha:  :haha:   A real Democrat voting for Pig Trump?  :angry:  There are two other candidates you can split your vote on.  Or you can leave the president spot empty, damn, that's a good idea.   :idea3: :idea3: :idea3: :idea3: :sweatdrop: :toothless:

roflmao...the owners of the Daily Beast also own Newsweek.  So , you bash the right but read their stuff.  My, you are a mix of both parties.

Clinton abused her powers as Secretary of State to make herself rich. Donations to her Foundation gave the ISIS nation of Saudi Arabia weapons permits and Russia Uranium for its nuclear weapons program.   

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

parkerdivine

Quote from: me on November 03, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
Why? Seems as though the Trumpanzees, as you put it, are polling ahead and have many more people turning out for their campaign speeches than the Hillary people. Seems to me like the dems are the desperate ones.

Most democrats hate Clinton. And the independents who would have voted for Bernie are now voting for Stein.  Clinton went on a campaign to get as many republicans as she could, because the democratic base will not elect her.    Clinton shares the same values as republicans.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/09/clinton-campaign-republican-donors-hillary-shares-your-values


Even Billy extended the austerity programs Reagan put into place.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/15-ways-bill-clintons-white-house-failed-america-and-world

parkerdivine

Quote from: Exterminator on November 04, 2016, 08:00:00 AM
The Trumpanzees have plenty of time to attend rallies because they're like you...they don't work!

Wow...look at the name-calling. 

Clinton ONLY got people to attend when Bernie went out on the trail with her.  He's campaigning for REAL democratic values, not her neoliberal ones.  Democrats are rejecting her in record numbers. Despite the false polls the corporate media is telling, she will have to steal this election like all neoliberals have by bribing the Electoral College as she did the Democratic headquarters of 33 states.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/