General Election 2016 - Trump v. Clinton

[Henry Hawk]

Then you're as stupid as she is.  Trump can't shit rebar and concrete.

The whole border isn't going to be all wall.............he has stated, several times that his border strategy will include expanded sensors, drones and other technology, along with growing numbers of Border Patrol officers.....again, just more pandering by the left to say it can't be done.

[Exterminator]

The whole border isn't going to be all wall.............he has stated, several times that his border strategy will include expanded sensors, drones and other technology, along with growing numbers of Border Patrol officers.....again, just more pandering by the left to say it can't be done.

He has backed down from a 2,000 mile wall to 1,000 miles but still...logistically it is nearly impossible.  But hey...keep drinking the kool-aid!

[Henry Hawk]

He has backed down from a 2,000 mile wall to 1,000 miles but still...logistically it is nearly impossible.  But hey...keep drinking the kool-aid!

I'll take this a win....I'm not sure he ever stated he was going to build a wall 2,000 miles.......

[Exterminator]

I'll take this a win....I'm not sure he ever stated he was going to build a wall 2,000 miles.......

You should really do a little research...you're embarrassing yourself.

[Henry Hawk]

You should really do a little research...you're embarrassing yourself.

"It's $8 billion.... And of the 2,000 [miles], we don't need 2,000, we need 1,000 because we have natural barriers, et cetera, et cetera, and I'm taking it price per square foot and a price per square, you know, per mile, and it's a very simple calculation......"

— Donald Trump, interview with MSNBC, Feb. 9, 2016

[AbbyTC]

Didn't read the article did ya?

Ex quotes the article and you asked this?  Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!

[Locutus]

Ex quotes the article and you asked this?  Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!

Keep sticking around here and even that will be surpassed. 

[AbbyTC]

Keep sticking around here and even that will be surpassed. 

[me]

Ex quotes the article and you asked this?  Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!

This is what was in the article I posted the link to I have no clue where Ex got his figures. 

Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

    On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
    On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
    On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
    Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
    Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
    Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

[Henry Hawk]

Ex quotes the article and you asked this?  Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!

Abbey don't lower yourself to that level........

[Exterminator]

Ex quotes the article and you asked this?  Omg, every time I think I've seen a level of stupidity that can't be beaten, someone comes along and proves me wrong!

She still doesn't get it.   

[Exterminator]

"It's $8 billion.... And of the 2,000 [miles], we don't need 2,000, we need 1,000 because we have natural barriers, et cetera, et cetera, and I'm taking it price per square foot and a price per square, you know, per mile, and it's a very simple calculation......"

— Donald Trump, interview with MSNBC, Feb. 9, 2016

From one of the articles I posted: "Those who seek to create a true barrier do not trust nature to perform the task for them."

Now let's explore Trump's $8 billion figure for a 1,000 mile wall, shall we?  There is currently 652.6 miles of fencing along the U.S. Mexico border...fencing, not a wall...on which the government has spent $7 billion.  Explain to me, please, how a 20 foot tall, 1,000 mile long wall can be built for only $1 billion more?

Like I said, do some research...you're embarrassing yourselves.

[Henry Hawk]

From one of the articles I posted: [/i]"Those who seek to create a true barrier do not trust nature to perform the task for them."[/i]

Now let's explore Trump's $8 billion figure for a 1,000 mile wall, shall we?  There is currently 652.6 miles of fencing along the U.S. Mexico border...fencing, not a wall...on which the government has spent $7 billion.  Explain to me, please, how a 20 foot tall, 1,000 mile long wall can be built for only $1 billion more?

Like I said, do some research...you're embarrassing yourselves.

Here is the deal, I really don't know if it is 8 billion or a 100 billion. I know Trump says he is going to build a wall (or at least secure the border)....I'm willing to give him a shot to do what he says he will do. 

Like he is the first to not do something they promised?  really? 

The bottom line is, Trump or Hillary.......and Trump is by far (FAR) the much, much, much wiser choice.

If elected, he will have his chance to prove himself.  I'm anxious to give him a try.......we had Lawyers try for years now, let's let a businessman try.

[Exterminator]

I'm anxious to give him a try.......we had Lawyers try for years now, let's let a businessman try.

What kind of businessman doesn't pay his bills?

He'll be good for small business?

[me]

Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

    On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
    On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
    On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
    Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
    Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
    Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall