Whatever your answer please describe your reasoning for it.
After 42 years of drilling with no major accidents, I feel with the proper equipment, it could be possible.
Drilling in 5000 feet of water and then drilling 1,800 feet into such a high pressure oil pool was just way above the present drilling methods. Also without the proper safety methods in place, in case of a spill, thing got really bad, really quick.
Right now NASA is being closed down on some of it programs, like returning to the Moon and the space shuttle. I feel that since we have all of these great minds in one location and are about to be terminated. I think their mind should be put to use to find a safer way of drilling. I know it can be done, especially with rocket scientists. We have to do something and do it now.
The idea of drill baby dill, any where, any time has to be replaced with. Smart drilling, smart drilling.
The Troll :flag: :salute:
Now this is scary, Troll and I agree on something. :eek: Was that sound I heard hell freezing over? :biggrin: :sos: :waaa:
Quote from: me on May 04, 2010, 02:28:04 PM
Now this is scary, Troll and I agree on something. :eek: Was that sound I heard hell freezing over? :biggrin: :sos: :waaa:
HOLLY CRAP!!!....SAME HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................I heard that sound me!!!......... :spooked: :biggrin:
Quote from: me on May 04, 2010, 02:28:04 PM
Now this is scary, Troll and I agree on something. :eek: Was that sound I heard hell freezing over? :biggrin: :sos: :waaa:
I must say I glad I made your day. :bliss: :bliss: :fireworks: :fireworks: :dance2: :dance:
Another thing I think is very stupid about BP's oil spill. They only had one, just 1 emergency shut off valve. A B2 Stealth Bomber has 4 computers. Knock out 1 and it still flies. Knock out the second one and it still flies. Knock out the third computer and it still flies. Knock out the 4th and the last one, the pilot bails out. Millions and Millions dollars were spent on this oil rig and it only had 1 emergency shut off valve. :usmad: :rant: We should :hanged: BP :thumbsup: The Troll :flag: :no1:
But I don't think it would have mattered if they had had 50 shut off's if the leak happened below the lowest shut off.
My first thought was "where is Red Adair when you need him" then I remembered he just did the fires, so much for that thought.
Quote from: The Troll on May 04, 2010, 01:57:06 PM
After 42 years of drilling with no major accidents, I feel with the proper equipment, it could be possible.
Drilling in 5000 feet of water and then drilling 1,800 feet into such a high pressure oil pool was just way above the present drilling methods. Also without the proper safety methods in place, in case of a spill, thing got really bad, really quick.
Right now NASA is being closed down on some of it programs, like returning to the Moon and the space shuttle. I feel that since we have all of these great minds in one location and are about to be terminated. I think their mind should be put to use to find a safer way of drilling. I know it can be done, especially with rocket scientists. We have to do something and do it now.
The idea of drill baby dill, any where, any time has to be replaced with. Smart drilling, smart drilling.
The Troll :flag: :salute:
I also have to agree with this thinking, and by sheer coincidence the POTUS said these very things surrounding the topic during his campaign. I have also read where the new drilling has been put onto hold pending an in depth review of safety and environmental requirements.
Your idea surrounding redundant controls sprang to my mind as soon as I heard they only had one in place, and I follow your line of reasoning and validation exactly! WTF are they thinking??? Oh, that's right, they aren't.
I also understand that "caps" have been placed onto the amount the company will have to pay for damages to companies and people, at 75 million. And before anyone goes off on a tangent here, that was done twenty or so years ago following the Exxon Valdez debacle. (They are on the hook for the clean up and control 100%).
What this means is that the shrimping/fishing and other industries will all be in line before the private citizens, to file claims against BP once the damages are totaled, and once the 75 million is reached everyone left in line will be SOL. Now that's just a face value interpretation of the legislation, and I am sure the resulting litigation will clarify or even modify the parameters. I am thinking however, that this little piece of legislative crap is overdue for review and modification, and it is a damned shame that private citizens are going to end up being the latest in a lONG line of victims this stupidity is going to negatively impact.
The other part of this is the economical impact this crap is ALREADY driving. Diesel went up 20 cents a gallon over it. The "bailout fund" for these circumstances (also created following the EV incident 20 years ago) will be utilized to offset any government funding necessary to remediate the resulting problems, but the problem I have with that is do you realize where that money came from? An 8 cent a gallon tax imposed upon all fuel sales, so its our money being used to mop up BP's huge mistake, and while they and their ilk comprise 4 of the top 5 top profit generating industries in the country.
Anyone want to guess who is number one? Yeah, that's right, BP! :rant:
ALL of the revenues required to remediate this problem should come directly from BP's coffers. They make billions, no tens of billions every friggin year on our backs!
Come on Palehorse, give me a break. It was Obama's fault. He was slow going down there and looking at it, come on you know if he had went earlier he could have stop all of this mess. He was the one who limited BP liability for the cost of this oil spill and he ok'd the drilling this well.
Come on Palehorse, :uncle: :uncle: :uncle: give up you really know its Obama's fault. Just watch Fox News and you will find out the truth. Just give up. :uncle: :uncle:
The Troll :doh: ;) :wink: :wink: :wink: :rotfl: :rotfl: :seeya2:
Sorry Troll but Fox hasn't said a thing to indicate it's Obama's fault or that he was too slow to act. What they have said it the same thing HH said, that had it been Bush the Dem's would have been screaming big time.
Quote from: me on May 05, 2010, 01:23:53 AM
Sorry Troll but Fox hasn't said a thing to indicate it's Obama's fault or that he was too slow to act. What they have said it the same thing HH said, that had it been Bush the Dem's would have been screaming big time.
And you'd know, having the network on all 5 of your TV's in your home 24/7/365. . . :razz:
Wrong, our TV is on approx 4hrs during the evening for the most part and 2 to 3 of that is either movies or music DVD's. We do occasionally turn it on for a few in the morning or when we eat lunch but we are not avid TV watchers. Yes, we watch Beck and O'Reilly and Beck backs up what he has to say with fact and is neither Republican or Democrat and bad mouths Bush pretty bad at times also O'Reilly, for the most part, defends Obama quite a bit. Food for thought here. Did Bush go on a tangent about Air America, Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, Rosie O, or any of the people who spoke out against him when he was in office and want them taken off the air? Did he close the park across from the White House when there were demonstrations against him so the media couldn't take pictures for their reports on it? Did he call those people hate mongers and racists just because they disagreed with him?
You are not only drinking koolaid, but riding down the koolaide river if you think that Beck has anymore integrity than the rest of them.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 05, 2010, 12:11:43 PM
You are not only drinking koolaid, but riding down the koolaide river if you think that Beck has anymore integrity than the rest of them.
:biggrin:
You just keep right on thinking that. I suppose you think Bill Maher does. :rolleyes:
can i have an amen!!!... :rolleyes: :razz:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 05, 2010, 12:11:43 PM
You are not only drinking koolaid, but riding down the koolaide river if you think that Beck has anymore integrity than the rest of them.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 05, 2010, 12:49:47 PM
can i have an amen!!!... :rolleyes: :razz:
AMEN! :icon_twisted:
Quote from: me on May 04, 2010, 06:53:08 PM
But I don't think it would have mattered if they had had 50 shut off's if the leak happened below the lowest shut off.
My first thought was "where is Red Adair when you need him" then I remembered he just did the fires, so much for that thought.
What in hell do you know about oil drilling and most of all big inch, heavy duty steel pipe, HD valve and so on, :toilet: plumber. The biggest thing you ever wrestled was a big turd, with your little bitty Roto-Rooter.
Red Adair, I read his book and I watched his life story of TV. Not once did he fight a oil fire on a oil platform, 50 miles off the coast. He was one of the best, but he didn't fight oil platform fires. Remember we never had a fire on a rig like this and a big oil leak like this.
The Troll, 30 years as an Industrail Pipefitter. :flag: :no1: :salute:
Quote from: The Troll on May 05, 2010, 05:41:07 PM
What in hell do you know about oil drilling and most of all big inch, heavy duty steel pipe, HD valve and so on, :toilet: plumber. The biggest thing you ever wrestled was a big turd, with your little bitty Roto-Rooter.
Red Adair, I read his book and I watched his life story of TV. Not once did he fight a oil fire on a oil platform, 50 miles off the coast. He was one of the best, but he didn't fight oil platform fires. Remember we never had a fire on a rig like this and a big oil leak like this.
The Troll, 30 years as an Industrail Pipefitter. :flag: :no1: :salute:
Lighten up dumb ass it was said as a joke and it's not like he couldn't have put out an oil fire on a rig if the need had arisen ya know. Also I didn't say I did know anything about oil wells it was brought up because it only sounds logical to me. If the mechanisms are above the leak how could they stop it? The only thing that would make sense to me was if it were like a pipe within a pipe that released to slide downward now if that were the case it would work. Do you know what kind of shut of mechanism is used on oil rigs?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Blow_out_preventor-italy.JPG)
Blow out preventers.
When have you ever seen me defend the honesty of a left wing political commentator? The difference between you and I is that I know the difference between fact and opinion and I know how to research the so-called sources rather than just assume that they're correct b/c their comments validate what I want to believe. Spin is spin whether it favors what I want to believe or not. I recognize that.
Drink up, me & Henry.
Well, I think they really need to find out what happened to begin with and if it was caused by human error or mechanical failure address the problem. Then when the problem is fixed, drill again as I don't see the need for oil decreasing much in the forseeable future.
What I find ironic is how something like this in the US driving fuel prices up, when so very little if any of the US oil actually is consumed here.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 05, 2010, 07:49:24 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Blow_out_preventor-italy.JPG)
Blow out preventers.
Paleface, I sure hope these valves weren't the one they use in the Gulf. These are manual operated valves. The big wheel handles are missing.
We had flow preventers, we had them on our high pressure propane lines, natural gas lines and our steam lines. Our were not as big as the ones on the oil rig, but a flow preventer is a flow preventer. Our valve were not that big or had to handle the pressure the oil well valve needed
. What was real good, ours weren't 5000 feet under water. Also our valves were automatic. If a line broke and the pressure dropped the valves kick in. Steam and compressed air operated. The valves shown have none. We didn't have to watch them they worked by themselves.
We should send the Unknown Zone plumber :toilet: down there and let her bitch them to death. What a way to go. I bet that alone would turn BP around. :bliss: :bliss: Or they would :hanged: themselves.
The Troll :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 05, 2010, 07:58:23 PM
When have you ever seen me defend the honesty of a left wing political commentator? The difference between you and I is that I know the difference between fact and opinion and I know how to research the so-called sources rather than just assume that they're correct b/c their comments validate what I want to believe. Spin is spin whether it favors what I want to believe or not. I recognize that.
Drink up, me & Henry.
well just pat yourself on the back princess.............(THIS is a TYPICAL liberal mentality)
Quote from: The Troll on May 05, 2010, 08:56:44 PM
Paleface, I sure hope these valves weren't the one they use in the Gulf. These are manual operated valves. The big wheel handles are missing.
We had flow preventers, we had them on our high pressure propane lines, natural gas lines and our steam lines. Our were not as big as the ones on the oil rig, but a flow preventer is a flow preventer. Our valve were not that big or had to handle the pressure the oil well valve needed
. What was real good, ours weren't 5000 feet under water. Also our valves were automatic. If a line broke and the pressure dropped the valves kick in. Steam and compressed air operated. The valves shown have none. We didn't have to watch them they worked by themselves.
We should send the Unknown Zone plumber :toilet: down there and let her bitch them to death. What a way to go. I bet that alone would turn BP around. :bliss: :bliss: Or they would :hanged: themselves.
The Troll :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
No, those are two land based units from Italy.
The ocean bottom units are also automatic activation units, and that fact alone should drive a redundancy requirement.
I think we have GOT to fix this problem so that it does not ever happen again....THEN open up all locations off shore to American's to drill IF, they believe it is profitable.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2010, 10:27:08 AM
I think we have GOT to fix this problem so that it does not ever happen again....THEN open up all locations off shore to American's to drill IF, they believe it is profitable.
Quote from: Locutus on April 29, 2010, 10:14:26 PM
How can we not be dependent on foreign oil when we only have about 2% of the world's reserves anyway? Also, all oil here is sold on the commodities exchange just like all the other oil. There is no such thing as American oil keeping American gas/oil prices down. There are no guarantees that a single iota of oil drilled and extracted in the US will remain here. It just doesn't work that way.
If that is true, ( and I am not denying that) then Oil Companies will not waste their time to do so..... I think we should offer tax incentives to these companies, to KEEP it AMERICAN.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2010, 11:41:33 AM
If that is true, ( and I am not denying that) then Oil Companies will not waste their time to do so..... I think we should offer tax incentives to these companies, to KEEP it AMERICAN.
There is virtually no chance of us increasing that number even if we were to endorse the drill baby drill philosophy. "Reserves" refers to not only produced oil, but takes into account proven but untapped, and unproven untapped resources available to utilize. So, taking all of this into account the US owns only 2% (plus or minus a % point) of the
entire oil in the world!
Here's a couple of charts that take into account
all reserves world wide by global region. It is important to note that in this chart "North America"
includes Canada!(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Total_World_Oil_Reserves.PNG)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Total_World_Oil_Reserves.PNG (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Total_World_Oil_Reserves.PNG)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/World_Oil_Reserves_by_Region.PNG)
As a foot note; Industry experts calculate that if the US were to tap into all known (Proven and unproven) oil reserves and ramp up production and processing- they would be depleted totally within an 8 year period, leaving the US with NONE to tap into.
I understand what you are saying..............BUT, if Oil Companies believe it is worth something, and are willing to pay the price, go by strict guidlines to assure safety and plans to minimize oil spill problems,...and employ Americans to do so, then who cares about your pie charts and statistics....
these guys know if money is to be made or not.....if there is a market for it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2010, 12:27:24 PM
I understand what you are saying..............BUT, if Oil Companies believe it is worth something, and are willing to pay the price, go by strict guidlines to assure safety and plans to minimize oil spill problems,...and employ Americans to do so, then who cares about your pie charts and statistics....
these guys know if money is to be made or not.....if there is a market for it.
So they make hundreds of billions of dollars for 8 years, then the whole US oil production industry collapses once the oil runs out; leaving the oil pigs with riches and caring as much as they do right now about those left high and dry and the country's economic crises?
You are thinking short range and failing to take into account the long-ranging big picture here. That would be nothing more than a "quick fix" for a very small sector of the nations 4 million + unemployed, and only serve to delay an even
worse economic disaster for our children and grandchildren to deal with. That's the
exact line of thinking that got the US auto industry into the jam they find themselves in today!
Quote from: Palehorse on May 06, 2010, 01:13:54 PM
So they make hundreds of billions of dollars for 8 years, then the whole US oil production industry collapses once the oil runs out; leaving the oil pigs with riches and caring as much as they do right now about those left high and dry and the country's economic crises?
You are thinking short range and failing to take into account the long-ranging big picture here. That would be nothing more than a "quick fix" for a very small sector of the nations 4 million + unemployed, and only serve to delay an even worse economic disaster for our children and grandchildren to deal with. That's the exact line of thinking that got the US auto industry into the jam they find themselves in today!
but you said that it would take several years before it was able to be used....I realize that is not LONG term, but my point is, these guys will only do it if it is profitable.....despite your sources statistics......
I'm not conveying my meaning very well here....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2010, 01:26:18 PM
but you said that it would take several years before it was able to be used....I realize that is not LONG term, but my point is, these guys will only do it if it is profitable.....despite your sources statistics......
I'm not conveying my meaning very well here....
Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration from Oil and Gas Journal. It doesn't get much better than that.
8 years is how long it would take to use it up. Making 2018 the end of the resource, in the 58th year of your life, should we achieve top level production rates this year.
Of course it is profitable, how else do you think 4 of the top 5 profit achieving companies in the United States last year were big oil entities? And they'll KEEP those profits and utilize them to increase foreign oil interests as a hedge against the end of the resource in the United States, and continue to profit, while the US drowns because we chose to endorse the short term fix instead of exploring alternative energy resources.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2010, 11:41:33 AM
If that is true, ( and I am not denying that) then Oil Companies will not waste their time to do so..... I think we should offer tax incentives to these companies, to KEEP it AMERICAN.
What a dumbass, give the poor oil companies a tax break? They make, like "B" Billion and Billions of dollars every year and you want to give a tax break and drive us deeper and deeper in debt to help the the oil companies worth billions and billions dollars. You must be totally :bat: :bat: :bat:
What in hell is wrong with you. Ever since I've been on the forum all you have cried about is the money Obama is spending in taxpayer money to save us from a Hoover type depression and you want to give the oil companies a tax break :finger2: What a F*#king :jester: clown.
You are totally unbelievable and your intelligence in worlcly manners is also unbelievable. Henry, if you had your tongue notarized, I wouldn't believe a work that came off of it.
I just don't get it. You don't want big government regulations on corportions, you don't healthcare for the people of America, you don't want money spent to save us from a depression. But you want to give the oil companies a tax break. :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :Jester:
Quote from: The Troll on May 06, 2010, 01:59:53 PM
But you want to give the oil companies a tax break. :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :Jester:
To create thousand and thousands of jobs to folks who in return will pay taxes, that they currently are not paying at all....THAT helps the economy return to good time again.
why is this so hard to understand?
This country NEEDS jobs from the private sector, to restore this nation.....NOT, more gov jobs and handouts.
LESS gov - GOOD! :yes:
MORE gov - BAD! :no:
MORE private sector jobs - GOOD! :yes:
LESS private sector jobs - BAD! :no:
simple, really! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2010, 04:04:08 PM
To create thousand and thousands of jobs to folks who in return will pay taxes, that they currently are not paying at all....THAT helps the economy return to good time again.
why is this so hard to understand?
This country NEEDS jobs from the private sector, to restore this nation.....NOT, more gov jobs and handouts.
LESS gov - GOOD! :yes:
MORE gov - BAD! :no:
MORE private sector jobs - GOOD! :yes:
LESS private sector jobs - BAD! :no:
simple, really! :yes:
You poor pathetic, Anarchism whorshiping dumbass. Would someone out there please me, give at least one Amen.
Quote from: The Troll on May 06, 2010, 06:58:50 PM
You poor pathetic, Anarchism whorshiping dumbass. Would someone out there please me, give at least one Amen.
Uh, Troll anarchy is
no government not
less government. No one on here has said anything about no government at all but somewhere in the middle would be a good thing and we are swinging waaaaaay over toward too much government.
Quote from: me on May 06, 2010, 07:13:11 PM
Uh, Troll anarchy is no government not less government. No one on here has said anything about no government at all but somewhere in the middle would be a good thing and we are swinging waaaaaay over toward too much government.
Take every post he has made and it comes out, he doesn't want any government. Taxes, he only want to pay taxes on that he wants to, like the taxes he pays to his church. He would settle for a Theocracy Dictatorship, if his religion was running the thing and we were worshing his god and his holy ghosties.
If we were swinging waaaaaaaaaay over toward too much government, it was under your precious George W. and Prick Cheney. And you voted for them twice and John McCain and SARA PALIN once. WHAT A RECORD IN COMMON SENSE!
Quote from: The Troll on May 06, 2010, 07:35:24 PM
Take every post he has made and it comes out, he doesn't want any government. Taxes, he only want to pay taxes on that he wants to, like the taxes he pays to his church. He would settle for a Theocracy Dictatorship, if his religion was running the thing and we were worshing his god and his holy ghosties.
If we were swinging waaaaaaaaaay over toward too much government, it was under your precious George W. and Prick Cheney. And you voted for them twice and John McCain and SARA PALIN once. WHAT A RECORD IN COMMON SENSE!
Ya, and I was stupid enough to vote for that dumb ass Carter too..... :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on May 06, 2010, 07:40:05 PM
Ya, and I was stupid enough to vote for that dumb ass Carter too..... :rolleyes:
Yeah, I was a dumbass too. It was the only time I ever did it. I voted Republican and it was for Reagan. I have kick my ass for that many times. Especially when I have to admit it.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 05, 2010, 07:49:24 PM
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Blow_out_preventor-italy.JPG)
Blow out preventers.
Palhorse, did you read THB newspaper today. BP is going to try one of old Troll's ideas of pumping hot water and antifreeze down into a smaller casein. To keep the methane ice from forming.
I sure hope it works. I don't think pumping golf balls and shreaded up tires would do to much, to stop the leak.
Troll :pray: :pray: to stop the leak.
Quote from: The Troll on May 11, 2010, 09:27:10 AM
Palhorse, did you read THB newspaper today. BP is going to try one of old Troll's ideas of pumping hot water and antifreeze down into a smaller casein. To keep the methane ice from forming.
I sure hope it works. I don't think pumping golf balls and shreaded up tires would do to much, to stop the leak.
Troll :pray: :pray: to stop the leak.
Yes. Somewhere I said they must have been reading your postings. :biggrin:
BP and Transocean leadership are pointing fingers at each other surrounding who is to blame for the 210,000 gallons a day still spewing into the gulf due to the explosion of Deep-water Horizon; in front of the feds this day. BP is inferring construction failures or short-cuts by Transocean and Transocean is inferring failure to comply with safety and operations procedures. . .
Already, BP is dancing when directly asked by congress whether they will pay for the damages to the shrimp industry and its brand. "We will pay all legitimate claims" or "question mark" was all BP would say. . . And that "question mark" response was to some very key questions!
As of this second I am no longer going to be purchasing BP fuels for my personal vehicles. (Tough luck Rickers). BP owned the rig and was responsible for the operation of same. BP needs to dig and dig deep into those billions of dollars in revenue they've been generating over the last decade, and pay for this in its entirety.
If Transcon has responsibility for what transpired then that is a matter for litigation between BP and Transocean, and should hold no influence upon the current problem and BP's responsibility for it. Moreover, ALL offshore drilling should be banned within US territorial waters, until the drivers for this incident are fully understood and remediated!
I don't think that is being unreasonable to find out WHAT happened and WHY it happened....and I would even go along with halting off-shore until a solution is put in place to see to it that this does not happen again....I will even agree that BP and/or Transocean needs to see to it that this problem is fixed and fixed soon....boycotting might be a great way to show them how we feel....I may be surprising you with this stance, and even though I am 100% in favor of off shore drilling and any kind of drilling for that mater....I think we have GOT to put safety first....I agree, BP can do wonders for their image, if they would simply, fix this situation by being accountable and belly up to all costs....also, take charge in assuring this can never happen again...and put in all precautionary measures to fullfil this threat....I think on the long run it would only help with any future prospects of utilizing US oil.
I wonder if this disaster has changed people's mind on Sarah "Drill baby drill" Palin?
I agree with Troll about using the Nasa people to use their wits to help the situation, but I would like to see at least half of them working on other forms of energy to replace oil.
I think it was a CBS poll that showed that the number of Americans who want to drill for offshore oil has dropped dramatically to below 50%.
What's wrong with drilling in Alaska? why does it have to be off shore? The studies show the oil is there and it isn't going to have that much impact on the wild life at all. Of course it is easier to just depend on the oil cartel not getting together and raising prices again and stay dependent on that foreign stuff. :rolleyes: Face it the "greens" aren't going to let anyone do anything to help alleviate the problem.
Quote from: me on May 11, 2010, 10:06:32 PM
What's wrong with drilling in Alaska? why does it have to be off shore? The studies show the oil is there and it isn't going to have that much impact on the wild life at all. Of course it is easier to just depend on the oil cartel not getting together and raising prices again and stay dependent on that foreign stuff. :rolleyes: Face it the "greens" aren't going to let anyone do anything to help alleviate the problem.
Face it yourself, if we increased production to withdraw from every single source we own, including those unproven, we would deplete the resource entirely in 8 years and be left with nothing. Period, end of story. And increasing U.S. oil production will do zero to positively impact consumer pricing for petroleum products in this country. Nothing.
Ever think that is exactly what the OPEC nations want? To have us deplete our resources so that they will own ALL of it? Then what?
No, our resources are
best utilized in identification of workable alternative fuels and then building the infrastructure to implement them; while doing everything else possible to enact energy standards (read: MPG, and pollution standards) that will reduce the national demand and positively impact our environment.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 06, 2010, 12:04:23 PM
There is virtually no chance of us increasing that number even if we were to endorse the drill baby drill philosophy. "Reserves" refers to not only produced oil, but takes into account proven but untapped, and unproven untapped resources available to utilize. So, taking all of this into account the US owns only 2% (plus or minus a % point) of the entire oil in the world!
Here's a couple of charts that take into account all reserves world wide by global region. It is important to note that in this chart "North America" includes Canada!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Total_World_Oil_Reserves.PNG)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Total_World_Oil_Reserves.PNG (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Total_World_Oil_Reserves.PNG)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/World_Oil_Reserves_by_Region.PNG)
As a foot note; Industry experts calculate that if the US were to tap into all known (Proven and unproven) oil reserves and ramp up production and processing- they would be depleted totally within an 8 year period, leaving the US with NONE to tap into.
QuoteBy H. JOSEF HEBERT AND FREDERIC J. FROMMER, Associated Press Writers – 28 mins ago
WASHINGTON – A key safety device known as the blowout preventer used in the BP oil rig in the Gulf had a hydraulic leak and other problems that likely prevented it from working as designed, congressional investigators said Wednesday.
They also said BP PLC and other documents also indicated confusion over whether poor pipe integrity was allowing methane gas to leak into the well just hours before the explosion that killed 11 workers and blew the well open.
Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., said that BP had informed his House committee that at some point when the well was being closed with cement an influx of methane entered the wellhead, indicating that cementing the well had not produced needed pipe integrity.
Waxman, opening a hearing into the April 20 well explosion that unleashed a massive oil spill, said while "we have far more questions than answers" it appeared clear — from BP and other documents — that there were problems with the blowout preventers before the accident and confusion almost right up to the time of the explosion over the success of the cementing process.
The committee said that there were at least "four significant problems with the blowout preventer" used on the Deepwater Horizon drill rig.
Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., said that a 2001 report by Transocean, which made the device, indicated there can be as many as 260 failure possibilities in the equipment. The device is supposed to be the final safeguard against a well blowout by clamping down and sealing a gushing oil well.
"How can a device that has 260 failure modes be considered fail-safe?" asked Stupak.
The House Energy and Commerce Committee was to hear from executives of BP, Transocean Ltd, Halliburton, which conducted the cementing on the BP rig, and Cameron Inc.
Stupak said BP confirmed in documents that a leak had been found in the hydraulic system that provides emergency power to a part of the blowout preventer.
When a remote underwater vehicle tried to activate the safety device a loss of hydraulic pressure was detected, said Stupak. When dye was injected "it showed a large leak coming from a loose fitting," said Stupak, citing BP documents.
He said Cameron officials had told the committee the leak was not believed to have been caused by the blowout because other fittings in the system were tight.
Stupak that BP also confirmed that the blowout preventer had been modified so that one of its ram drivers could be used for routine testing and was no longer designed to activate in an emergency. He said after the spill BP "spent a day trying to use this ... useless test ram.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100512/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100512/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill)
Quote from: me on May 11, 2010, 10:06:32 PM
What's wrong with drilling in Alaska? why does it have to be off shore? The studies show the oil is there and it isn't going to have that much impact on the wild life at all. Of course it is easier to just depend on the oil cartel not getting together and raising prices again and stay dependent on that foreign stuff. :rolleyes: Face it the "greens" aren't going to let anyone do anything to help alleviate the problem.
Where they want to drill in Alaska is permafrost. Frozen in the winter and swamp in the summer.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 11, 2010, 10:17:00 PM
Face it yourself, if we increased production to withdraw from every single source we own, including those unproven, we would deplete the resource entirely in 8 years and be left with nothing. Period, end of story. And increasing U.S. oil production will do zero to positively impact consumer pricing for petroleum products in this country. Nothing.
Ever think that is exactly what the OPEC nations want? To have us deplete our resources so that they will own ALL of it? Then what?
No, our resources are best utilized in identification of workable alternative fuels and then building the infrastructure to implement them; while doing everything else possible to enact energy standards (read: MPG, and pollution standards) that will reduce the national demand and positively impact our environment.
There seems to be two points that continually escape the "drill baby drill" people and those that parrot them. It's been pointed out numerous times before, but they simply choose not to get it, or are simply wanting to be argumentative.
1. There is absolutely
no guarantee that
any of the oil we produce in the U.S. is going to remain here to "lower our prices" so we'll all "pay less" and all of the rest of the crap that the "drill baby drill" ilk support.
2. As has been pointed out previously, the U.S. has less than
2% of the world's oil supply. Barely a drop in the bucket. More data on that here: Link to Oil Reserves by Country (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_res-energy-oil-reserves). Now if you divide the 22,450,000,000 barrels in the U.S. by the 1,349,417,153,000 barrels available in the world, you'll see that what I've been saying is correct. We have only about 1.7% of the world's oil supply here.
The drill argument to lower prices and reduce dependence on that evil foreign oil doesn't hold water to anyone with half a brain. It's simply too bad that almost half the fuckin' country's citizens lack the half a brain necessary to comprehend such.
:rant:
:mad: :mad:
So in the meantime, let's just drill baby drill! Ask those poor fisherman who have lost their livelihood for decades how they feel about the "drill baby drill" philosophy. That oil geyser (which continues to spew BTW) has ruined one of the nation's most delicate fishing areas which was formerly home to shrimp, scallops, and other forms of seafood, many of which will take decades to recover if they ever do.
Spill baby spill!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Spill baby! Spill!
:no:
Sorry. I was on a rant Kim. :biggrin:
well, one thing to think about is, China is drilling off of the coast of Florida, Canada is drilling off of the coast of Florida, Mexico is drilling off of the coast of Florida, France is drilling off of the coast of Florida, Angola is going to drill off of the coast of Florida, Vietnam is going to drill off of the coast of Florida, and Cuba is going to drill off of the coast of Florida.....
But the U.S. cannot?....
Also, why is it these countries believe it is profitable to do this and NOT the U.S.?
Just a random thought....
Wrong!
http://www.adn.com/2008/06/12/434045/china-drilling-for-oil-off-florida.html
Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.
"China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico. Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.
^^
That shit right there is a prime example of how you say it often enough, people believe it even if it isn't true. Interestingly enough, it's generally the same half of the citizenry that I referred to in my previous post. It probably wouldn't take too much to refute the rest of that either.
But Fox Spews said it, so it must be true.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/index.htm (http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/index.htm)
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/04/2293997.aspx (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/04/2293997.aspx)
There are plenty of speculations that they are or will be drilling...
and there ARE several other countries that are...
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/04/2293997.aspx (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/04/2293997.aspx)
it cracks me up...........your sources are okay....they are facts...........but, others, they are just spin and foxnews propaganda's...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 12, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/index.htm (http://money.cnn.com/2006/05/09/news/economy/oil_cuba/index.htm)
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/04/2293997.aspx (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/04/2293997.aspx)
There are plenty of speculations that they are or will be drilling...
and there ARE several other countries that are...
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/04/2293997.aspx (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/04/2293997.aspx)
it cracks me up...........your sources are okay....they are facts...........but, others, they are just spin and foxnews propaganda's...
I've watched Fox and Fox is Propaganda and misstatements. Positively slanted to the Republican talking points. Hell, Fox and Rupert Murdock probably writes the Republican talking points every day.
There is no way I would trust anything that come out of the television, if it comes from Fox News. :deadhorse: :rifle: The Troll :salute:
Quote from: The Troll on May 12, 2010, 07:38:21 PM
I've watched Fox and Fox is Propaganda and misstatements. Positively slanted to the Republican talking points. Hell, Fox and Rupert Murdock probably writes the Republican talking points every day.
There is no way I would trust anything that come out of the television, if it comes from Fox News. :deadhorse: :rifle: The Troll :salute:
Um, those links are CNN and MSNBC not Fox.
Quote from: me on May 12, 2010, 07:50:41 PM
Um, those links are CNN and MSNBC not Fox.
Yes, they were. But the CNN link says only that China and India are making plans to drill off the coast of Cuba, and the MSNBC link says that Crist (Independent) and Meeks (Dem) candidates for Senate oppose further drilling in the Gulf, while Rubio (Rep) is all in favor of it.
What's your point? For that matter, what was Henry's point?
I have no clue I didn't even read the links just pointed out to Troll that they weren't Fox links.
I hear ya, me. I used to belong to a "junto" group. We discussed volatile issues following the rules laid out by Franklin. At least we always knew what the point was.
Quote from: me on May 12, 2010, 07:50:41 PM
Um, those links are CNN and MSNBC not Fox.
Who in hell said said I was talking about a Fox links. I was stating that I have watched O'Reiley, Hannity and Glen Beck . Also the assholes on the morning show. These three people are the most stupid dumbasses, old Rupert could hire.
How anybody who was born with a brain, can't see their lies and their Republican bias. :poop: :thumbsup:
Quote from: The Troll on May 12, 2010, 10:59:19 PM
Who in hell said said I was talking about a Fox links. I was stating that I have watched O'Reiley, Hannity and Glen Beck . Also the assholes on the morning show. These three people are the most stupid dumbasses, old Rupert could hire.
How anybody who was born with a brain, can't see their lies and their Republican bias. :poop: :thumbsup:
Hum, Beck don't like Republicans either so what's yer point? I've also seen O'Reilley rake Republicans over the coals and stand up for Democrats. I'll bet you hung on every word they said on Air America while it lasted didn't ya?
Quote from: me on May 13, 2010, 01:30:18 AM
Hum, Beck don't like Republicans either so what's yer point? I've also seen O'Reilley rake Republicans over the coals and stand up for Democrats. I'll bet you hung on every word they said on Air America while it lasted didn't ya?
"ME", I have had about every toy a man could want. Airplanes, even built my own gyrocoter, boats, motorcycles, fast and beautiful cars everything but a million dollars in cash. But one thing I never owned was a satellite radio. If I did, it most like likely be tuned to Air America and not to the Drugster Limpaw, :ditto: head.
"ME", it seem to me that you are alway trying to present yourself as a very intelligent, strong woman with a circle of smart friends. But how in hell can you say that you watch and respect Glen Beck. This Nazi loving sonovabitch is absolutely brain dead and you hang on his every word? With Rush, Bill, Shane and Glen, no wonder your brain is fried. Do you do Drugs.
Oh, an other thing, "ME" your aways crying about the way the Democrats beat up poor George W., well for one thing it is easy. He is and was a dumbass and he will die a dumbass.
But what about the slim job you guys did on Kerry. I have seen people do some pretty shitty things, but your Republican created a masterpiece of a hack job on Kerry. Your asshole party seen to think we're stupid enough to forget the asscutting you Republican are so expert giving and doing. You people sure are experts in smoke and mirrors, bait and switch.
So the next time you want to cry about us cutting your King of Dumbass George W. just remember the ass cutting you gave us, cause we haven't forgot and we are just starting to get even. Just starting.
The Troll :no1:
Oh boy, John Kerry the great. He would have probably holed up in his Swiss Chalet when 9/11 occurred. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on May 13, 2010, 08:36:44 AM
Oh boy, John Kerry the great. He would have probably holed up in his Swiss Chalet when 9/11 occurred. :rolleyes:
Some day, I knew I would see "ME" on the funny page of the THB newspaper. Well it happen to day.
If you don't believe me look at the Herald Bulletin. Look for Garfield and you will see "ME".
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Spill baby! Spill!
This is disgusting and unbelievable. Check out this video from BP showing the oil gushing from the hole in the bottom of the sea.
Quote from: Locutus on May 13, 2010, 11:45:26 PM
Spill baby! Spill!
This is disgusting and unbelievable. Check out this video from BP showing the oil gushing from the hole in the bottom of the sea.
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Yes it is! :rant:
NBC had a report on this morning wherein an expert on fluid measurement is saying the actual amount flowing out of it may be
twice what BP is stating it is; meaning this spill has
already surpassed the Exxon Valdez debacle if this is true! :rant: :rant: :rant:
Make that a lot more that twice! I just heard him say 70,000 barrels a DAY! :spooked: :rant:
2,940,000 gallons a day
. . .BP officials have said 5,000 barrels per day of crude, or 210,000 gallons, have been leaking for the past three weeks.
But a researcher at Purdue University has predicted that about 70,000 barrels of oil per day are gushing into the Gulf after analyzing videos of the spill.
Associate professor Steve Wereley said he arrived at that number after spending two hours Thursday analyzing video of a spill using a technique called particle image velocimetry. He said there is a 20 percent margin of error, which means between 56,000 and 84,000 barrels could be leaking daily.
"You can't say with precision, but you can see there's definitely more coming out of that pipe than people thought. It's definitely not 5,000 barrels a day," Wereley said.
He said he reached his estimate of 70,000 barrels per day by calculating how far and how fast oil particles were moving in the video. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/14/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/14/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1)
Quote from: Palehorse on May 14, 2010, 07:49:50 AM
. . .BP officials have said 5,000 barrels per day of crude, or 210,000 gallons, have been leaking for the past three weeks.
But a researcher at Purdue University has predicted that about 70,000 barrels of oil per day are gushing into the Gulf after analyzing videos of the spill.
Associate professor Steve Wereley said he arrived at that number after spending two hours Thursday analyzing video of a spill using a technique called particle image velocimetry. He said there is a 20 percent margin of error, which means between 56,000 and 84,000 barrels could be leaking daily.
"You can't say with precision, but you can see there's definitely more coming out of that pipe than people thought. It's definitely not 5,000 barrels a day," Wereley said.
He said he reached his estimate of 70,000 barrels per day by calculating how far and how fast oil particles were moving in the video. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/14/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/14/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1)
From the same article. . .
. .
.BP has blamed drilling contractor Transocean Ltd., which owned the rig. Transocean says BP was responsible for the wellhead's design and that oilfield services contractor Halliburton was responsible for cementing the well shut once drilled. And Halliburton says its workers were just following BP's orders, but that Transocean was responsible for maintaining the rig's blowout preventer.Duck season! No, wabbit season! Duck season! Wabbit season. . . :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
(http://allpoetry.com/images/ext/Image/86/449.jpg)
Quote from: Palehorse on May 14, 2010, 06:24:28 AM
Yes it is! :rant:
NBC had a report on this morning wherein an expert on fluid measurement is saying the actual amount flowing out of it may be twice what BP is stating it is; meaning this spill has already surpassed the Exxon Valdez debacle if this is true! :rant: :rant: :rant:
Yes, this is another "Charlie Foxtrot", Cluster F*#k. Taking big government out of businesses, business. Letting the "market" take care of business. Dropping regulation and controls because they can police themselves and the "market" will punish the wrong doers.
How can anyone believe that you can believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Predatory Capitalist CEO's and other "Adventure Capitalist" when it comes to making money. They worship the dollar and will do anything, lie, cheat, swindle, corrupt, bribe, steal anything to make money, for themselves. The stockholders are secondary.
Now, steps in BP, British Petroleum, an English owned company, drilling in America's Gulf of Mexico for oil to ship to China.
Lying to the America's government from the start. Taking a WAFG, a wild ass f*#king guess and drilling in 5000 feet of water. Had no experience. lying about the safety measures they were taking. Lying about the Blow Out Preventer, an a absolute piece of shit. Halliburton lying and falsifying the cementing of the well pipe.
Who knows, they might get the pipe stopped up, but the oil might come up and around the pipe because the cement will fail. All lies and now they don't want to pay for the Charlie Foxtrot. Who knows, maybe the government will have to take one of our smallest nuclear bombs and place is next to the well pipe about a 1000 feet below the bottom and set it off and crush the whole damn thing closed.
When are the American people, especially the free trading Republicans, predator capitalist loving SOB's going to realize that you just can't trust them. People, for them, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.
People we are like the people in the movie "Ground hogs day", every day repeating the stupid things. We are in the shape were in today because of GREED, JUST PLAIN GREED.
Of all of the "isms" Capitalism is probably the best, so far it is. We can't just let these Predatory Capitalist run free, without regulations. History will repeat it's self again and the next time we won't be able to stop an total Hoover Depression.
Ya, I want to be like Greece and China and let the government do everything and have cradle to grave entitlements..... :yes: :biggrin: China would never allow such a thing to happen and those type accidents would definitely be prevented. Yesssssss
Quote from: me on May 14, 2010, 09:25:56 AM
Ya, I want to be like Greece and China and let the government do everything and have cradle to grave entitlements..... :yes: :biggrin: China would never allow such a thing to happen and those type accidents would definitely be prevented. Yesssssss
:ME:, :wacko: :blah: :blah: :blah: :suck: :suck: :suck: :flap: :flap: :pink: :pink: :pink:
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:kissit: The troll :flag: :no1: :seeya2:
B.P. CEO says oil spill is relatively tiny compared to the very big ocean. I'd like to strangle that asshole. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: What a fuckin' ASSHOLE!!!
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BP chief executive Tony Hayward claims that the Gulf of Mexico oil spill is relatively 'tiny' but admits that his job is at risk over the incident blamed on his company.
Hayward told Friday's Guardian newspaper that the leaked oil and the estimated 400,000 gallons of dispersant that BP had pumped into the sea to try to tackle the slick should be put in context.
"The Gulf of Mexico is a very big ocean. The amount of volume of oil and dispersant we are putting into it is tiny in relation to the total water volume," Hayward said.
Asked if he felt his job was under threat, he replied: "I don't at the moment. That of course may change. I will be judged by the nature of the response."
BP is facing a growing backlash in the United States as experts warn the spill may be at least 10 times bigger than an official estimate.
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0514/gulf-oil-spill-tiny-bp-boss/
Yeah, I saw that on the news and I wanted to reach out and bitch slap that bastard! :rant:
And that admiral of the CG needs a good dressing down as well. You see how that guy made a statement that was 180 degrees from what was actually going on?! Then he holds a second press conference where he tried to validate his ignorance and came off even worse! :mad:
The POTUS needs to bitch slap all of them: the CG, BP, Transocean, Halliburton, then send in the real USN to show those idiots how to run an effective, expedited,and efficient catastrophe initiative! :rant:
All I can say after reading that is WHAT?????? The two comparisons he makes to this disaster are not even close to the same thing.
I went looking for info on whether oil-eating bacteria and microbes are being used, or will be used to help moderate the damage -- and I can't find anything except people asking the same question. And some ads for bags of the stuff to use on your driveway. This was supposed to be the ANSWER a few years ago. I remember it was used to help clean up the Exxon Valdez mess. Have any of you seen or read anything about it this time?
Quote from: LOsborne on May 14, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
I went looking for info on whether oil-eating bacteria and microbes are being used, or will be used to help moderate the damage -- and I can't find anything except people asking the same question. And some ads for bags of the stuff to use on your driveway. This was supposed to be the ANSWER a few years ago. I remember it was used to help clean up the Exxon Valdez mess. Have any of you seen or read anything about it this time?
Nope. . . and I cannot imagine how many of those things they'd have to use to eat all that oil! :spooked: This thin g is already 10 times worse than the EV, if current estimates are valid!
Besides, they're more interested (BP) in a chemical solution so that they can use one of their subsidiaries to supply it and keep those billions in the family. . . :mad:
The only thing I've heard is someone who lives where oil seeps naturally and the plant life and such have adapted to it and dissipate it so they weren't worried if it came toward them. Wish I could remember where it was.
Quote from: LOsborne on May 14, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
I went looking for info on whether oil-eating bacteria and microbes are being used, or will be used to help moderate the damage -- and I can't find anything except people asking the same question. And some ads for bags of the stuff to use on your driveway. This was supposed to be the ANSWER a few years ago. I remember it was used to help clean up the Exxon Valdez mess. Have any of you seen or read anything about it this time?
Quote from: me on May 14, 2010, 09:07:08 PM
The only thing I've heard is someone who lives where oil seeps naturally and the plant life and such have adapted to it and dissipate it so they weren't worried if it came toward them. Wish I could remember where it was.
You mention seeping. This is a geyser. BIG difference!
I know I was saying that was the only thing I had heard that was even remotely mentioning something like that.
Quote from: Locutus on May 14, 2010, 10:46:06 PM
You mention seeping. This is a geyser. BIG difference!
Quote from: Locutus on May 14, 2010, 10:46:06 PM
You mention seeping. This is a geyser. BIG difference!
Cut her some slack, Locutus. I asked if anyone had heard talk about using oil-eating microorganisms. She graciously related the only talk she had heard. She wasn't comparing the contamination in the anecdote to anything.
rut ro......BP got caught making the employee's on the oil rig sign a statement that they knew nothing and weren't injured before they could go see their families. That sure doesn't sound good.... :no:
Quote from: LOsborne on May 14, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
I went looking for info on whether oil-eating bacteria and microbes are being used, or will be used to help moderate the damage -- and I can't find anything except people asking the same question. And some ads for bags of the stuff to use on your driveway. This was supposed to be the ANSWER a few years ago. I remember it was used to help clean up the Exxon Valdez mess. Have any of you seen or read anything about it this time?
I did see on TV earlier today some company that makes something that would absorb the oil and then dissipate leaving the water clear suggested it to BP and they are tossing the idea around at their office in Houston but would prefer to try their ideas first. They demonstrated their product and it soaked up the oil diesel fuel mixture poured into water almost instantly, which I realize it wouldn't work that quick on a spill the size of the one in question, and it was suggested long enough ago that it wouldn't be a problem now if they had gone with it. Something is definitely not right with this picture. :no:
Quote from: me on May 17, 2010, 03:40:14 PM
I did see on TV earlier today some company that makes something that would absorb the oil and then dissipate leaving the water clear suggested it to BP and they are tossing the idea around at their office in Houston but would prefer to try their ideas first. They demonstrated their product and it soaked up the oil diesel fuel mixture poured into water almost instantly, which I realize it wouldn't work that quick on a spill the size of the one in question, and it was suggested long enough ago that it wouldn't be a problem now if they had gone with it. Something is definitely not right with this picture. :no:
Why would BP want to spend all that money, it might cost them money. Hell we'll just wait and let mother nature take care of this problem.
That is what is so nice about large corporations, IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY.
Anyone else see the segment 60 Minutes did on this last night? It pissed me off to learn about the events that transpired just prior to the explosion, and that BP could have prevented this whole thing. . . :rant:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=api (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=api)
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2010, 06:22:47 PM
Anyone else see the segment 60 Minutes did on this last night? It pissed me off to learn about the events that transpired just prior to the explosion, and that BP could have prevented this whole thing. . . :rant:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=api (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=api)
It is not only sickening, it's criminal. But we had people right here of this forum, who thinks corporation can do no wrong and shouldn't be held responsable for their crimes.
It's absolutely unbelievable what the corporations are and can get by in the predatory capitalist world we are now living in. They have even brainwashed the poor dumbasses in this country. The working man and woman doesn't have a chance anymore.
I didn't, I wasn't aware that it was on. I was watching something on Nat Geo, because I wasn't aware there was a
BP segment. I'm going to go back and watch it.
Well, the POTUS is appointing a special investigation committee to look into this whole friggin mess. . . Personally, I hope those who made the decision to continue to operate despite knowing key components of the blow out preventer (parts coming up with the oil) and knowing it's safety back up system was non operational as well, get jail time and the company fined to the tune of BILLIONS! :rant: :rant: :rant: :mad:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 17, 2010, 07:41:40 PM
I didn't, I wasn't aware that it was on. I was watching something on Nat Geo, because I wasn't aware there was a
BP segment. I'm going to go back and watch it.
Watch the whole thing. It's 3 or 4 parts, and they have a statement from a top respected investigator who has seen the information, pictures, and documents, and is an authority on these things. . .
It will just make you sick to hear Sandy, seriously! :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2010, 07:45:29 PM
It will just make you sick to hear Sandy, seriously! :mad:
I'm afraid you're right.
Interactive Map (http://www.sierraclub.org/oilspill/map/#currents)
This was slow to load for me, but worth it if you have the time or have a better processer ;D
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/05/disaster_unfolds_slowly_in_the.html
Well, what I did pick up, while being interrupted several times, if I were Ricker's I'd be looking for a different supplier. That engineer, I believe it was, who tried to hurry the operation and the guy who said those hunks of seal were nothing to worry about should be never work in that field again. I'm sure glad people are beginning to speak up. Sounds like a case of sh*t running downhill and it kind of makes me wonder if the actual head of the company really even knew what was going on. That, however in no way excuses what's going now with the clean up though. :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2010, 06:22:47 PM
Anyone else see the segment 60 Minutes did on this last night? It pissed me off to learn about the events that transpired just prior to the explosion, and that BP could have prevented this whole thing. . . :rant:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=api (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=api)
I had a real scary thought while looking through those pic's Sand posted the links to. I sure hope they get this under control before a hurricane or bad storm hits.
Peak season is just a couple of weeks away, and already cells are brewing southeast of the gulf. . . :mad:
They'd better be gettin' their heads out of their asses then and quick. :mad:
This is reminding me of the brilliant works of Dr. Seuss.
The Lorax! :no:
And now oil has reached the Florida Keys, as 20 "tar balls" the size of soft balls have been spotted. :mad: :mad: :mad:
What was the Lorax?
And why was it there?
And why was it lifted and taken somewhere
from the far end of town where the Grickle-grass grows?
The old Once-ler still lives here.
Ask him. He knows.
May 19, 2010 8:34 am US/Eastern
Coast Guard: Tar Balls In Keys Not From Oil Spill
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Dozens of tar balls found in Key West did not come from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. That information was released Wednesday morning from the U.S. Coast Guard after conducting lab tests on the tar balls.
A sampling of tar balls discovered on beaches at Fort Zachary Taylor State Park, Smathers Beach in Key West, Big Pine Key, and Loggerhead Key in the Dry Tortugas National Park, were flown by a Coast Guard HU-25 Falcon jet to Connecticut on Tuesday for testing and analysis.
The results of those tests conclusively show that the tar balls collected from Florida Keys beaches do not match the type of oil from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
The source of the tar balls remains unknown at this time. Tar balls often wash up on the shores of Florida from cruise ships, oil tankers and other vessels which sometimes flush their almost-empty fuel tanks to clean them for another load.
The tar-ball discovery put Florida's $60 billion tourism industry on its highest alert level since BP's Deepwater Horizon oil rig sank on April 22, sending oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico hundreds of miles from the Sunshine State.
The public is asked to report the sighting of any tar balls to the U.S. Coast Guard at 1 (800) 424-8802. Any oiled shorelines can be reported to 1 (866) 448-5816.
The public is reminded that tar balls are a hazardous material, which while not dangerous to most people can cause an allergic reaction and should only be retrieved by trained personnel. All beaches on the Florida Keys remain open.
Meantime, a University of South Florida research ship will head to the middle of the Gulf of Mexico Wednesday in hopes of studying whether oil is being carried south by the powerful loop current. The R/V Bellows is scheduled to depart from the College of Marine Science. It will carry 10 scientists and three crew members to the loop current, some 80 miles from Florida's west coast.
Once there, the crew will spend several days collecting water samples and using high-tech underwater sensors to determine how much oil is in the current.
Earlier this week, officials from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said aerial surveys showed some tendrils of light oil close to or already in the loop current, which circulates in the Gulf and takes water south to the Florida Keys and the Gulf Stream.
http://cbs4.com/local/Tar.tar.balls.2.1702654.html
Yeah. . .I saw that. . . but it is just a matter of time. Already the oil they KNOW about is entering the loop current that has the potential for carrying this crap all the way up the eastern coast. . . "But its insignificant". . .according to BP. . . :mad:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 05, 2010, 12:11:43 PMYou are not only drinking koolaid, but riding down the koolaide river if you think that Beck has anymore integrity than the rest of them.
Well, Sandy what do you think about of Rush Limbaugh saying that the tree huggers should pay for this oil spill. He said on his comedy radio show that the Sierra Club should pay for the spill because people like you made the oil companies quit drilling on land and close to shore. You guys are the ones who make them go out into 5,000 ft of water and 50 miles of shore.
Are you guys ready to drink some of your koolaid. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
The lying oil pigs said there was only 5000 barrels a day coming from that gusher, but right now they are siphoning off 5000 barrels a day and the plume has only marginally been reduced! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Liars!
Quote from: Palehorse on May 20, 2010, 03:32:57 PM
The lying oil pigs said there was only 5000 barrels a day coming from that gusher, but right now they are siphoning off 5000 barrels a day and the plume has only marginally been reduced! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Liars!
where are you getting your info?....BP is only claiming to siphon 3,000 barrels a day....according to thier own site...and they are close to beginning to cap it with mud and cement...
I say give these guys a chance to make this right.....everybody has slammed them from the beggining...and they have said they WILL pay for this and will not stop until they remedy this......I know it does suck....but, this is only the third incident in over 50 years....that is what T Boone Pickens said....we are NOT yet in a position to NOT drill, so in the mean time we ALL need oil.....THAT is our alternative at this time....until we DO find another source.....I think our gov needs to quit pointing fingers and assist in fixing this.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 20, 2010, 04:12:38 PM
where are you getting your info?....BP is only claiming to siphon 3,000 barrels a day....according to thier own site...and they are close to beginning to cap it with mud and cement...
I say give these guys a chance to make this right.....everybody has slammed them from the beggining...and they have said they WILL pay for this and will not stop until they remedy this......I know it does suck....but, this is only the third incident in over 50 years....that is what T Boone Pickens said....we are NOT yet in a position to NOT drill, so in the mean time we ALL need oil.....THAT is our alternative at this time....until we DO find another source.....I think our gov needs to quit pointing fingers and assist in fixing this.....
They need and deserve slamming. They've paid out 75 million in "claims" as of Monday of this week. . . We'll see how much more they pay. . . I'm betting the horror stories will piss off a priest after it is all said and done. . .
. . .BP announced Thursday that it is siphoning about 5,000 barrels of oil a day from the damaged well, but more crude is still escaping into the sea.
Spokesman Mark Proegler declined to estimate how much more oil was escaping after Thursday's new estimate from its undersea collection effort.. . .http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/20/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/20/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T2)
The above from an article announcing that the EPA has ordered BP to use another type of dispersant than the most toxic one on their listing. . . Again, proving BP doesn't give a damn about our environment, our wildlife, or our people. They just want the billions in profit, bottom line and don't care who they run over to achieve it!
The announcement surrounding the BPD increase has been all over the media. . .
you may be right, but I don't see where BP has anything to gain by NOT fixing this problem...those guys are smart enough to realize that IF, they can make things right, it will only make them MORE profitable when this is all said and done.....imo....
I know they can NEVER make things 100% right....there is damage done that can never be fixed....but, they can stand up and be accountable................the bad thing is how many folks are going to TRY to make claims from them that have NO business claiming? Where does it stop?
That is not the point; the point is had they been following SOP's and demonstrated due diligence in their daily operations this would not have happened in the first place, and should not have happened.
They are screaming accident when it is something a lot more insidious; shortcuts and deviations.
When the blow out preventer spit a key component out through the stream and onto the deck just weeks prior to this incident, they should have shut it down and fixed it; they did not.
When the safety devices designed to back up a potential blow out preventer failure, lost 50% or more of its capacity to do the task it was designed to do they should have shut down and fixed it; they did not. (For several weeks prior to this incident).
Quote from: Palehorse on May 17, 2010, 06:22:47 PM
Anyone else see the segment 60 Minutes did on this last night? It pissed me off to learn about the events that transpired just prior to the explosion, and that BP could have prevented this whole thing. . . :rant:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=api (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=api)
U need to watch this Hank. Hear about all this from the mouths of an employee and a key, well respected, investigator with full access to all information. . . :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 20, 2010, 05:13:48 PMThat is not the point; the point is had they been following SOP's and demonstrated due diligence in their daily operations this would not have happened in the first place, and should not have happened. They are screaming accident when it is something a lot more insidious; shortcuts and deviations. When the blow out preventer spit a key component out through the stream and onto the deck just weeks prior to this incident, they should have shut it down and fixed it; they did not. When the safety devices designed to back up a potential blow out preventer failure, lost 50% or more of its capacity to do the task it was designed to do they should have shut down and fixed it; they did not. (For several weeks prior to this incident).
BP has lied from the begining. You couldn't trust them if their tongues were notarized.
Just to think the oil slick is now in the wet lands of Louisiana. Just think it use to be the best fish in the country. In and around the oil platforms, the fish just loved them. As you know fish love structure and with all of those legs the fish had everything.
My wife and I use to go to Gulf Shores Al. every year and we would take our boat out to the oil platforms and fish. It's a shame that all of this is going away. I wonder how many of those big Red fish and Red Snappers BP has killed.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 20, 2010, 05:13:48 PM
That is not the point; the point is had they been following SOP's and demonstrated due diligence in their daily operations this would not have happened in the first place, and should not have happened.
do you think they WANTED it to happen?............did you know that
last year MMS (
federal Minerals Management Service) awarded the rig an award for its safety history.....to think that BP intentionally allowed something of this nature to happed is outrageous.....
I hope this works and is the same video that I just watched. I thought it was a joke, I think it was the bibs :biggrin: but this looks like it could work.
It might be pricy and I'm not sure how they would dispose of the hay w/out more pollution.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5=xX21ntEo
If it doesn't work try
http://www.triplepundit.com/2010/05/hay-solution-bp-oil-spill-clean-up-florida/
The video is at the bottom
I like this story about Kevin Costner and HIS efforts....this is a very interesting Idea, that BP is going to try....
http://news.spreadit.org/kevin-costner-oil-spill/ (http://news.spreadit.org/kevin-costner-oil-spill/)
Kevin Costner Oil Spill – Kevin Costner has been extremely vocal with his thoughts on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster that took place over a month ago. He feels that the situation is not being handled correctly, and gave an opinion that differs from those of many experts. Costner has been in charge of the construction of oil separation machines. He has been working on the project to prepare for another large oil spill, which is exactly what we have on our hands now.
Costner was heavily affected by the lasting effects of the Valdez oil spill in Alaska in 1989, and decided that he would like to invest money toward a solution for the problem.
Reportedly, Costner, who is an environmentalist and fisherman, saw the spill when it originally happened and didn't like the fact that there is currently no way to separate oil easily from the watter that it has spilled into. His brother, Dan, is a scientists who has been working on the project with him and recently spent some time in New Orleans observing the situation.
Doug Suttles, the Chief Operating Officer of BP recently approved up to six machines for testing their validity in the current situation. The machines are giant vacuum machines that are able to suck the oil from out of the water, and then separate the oil and water from one another. The oil is then stored in its own container, with the water, which is 99.9 purified at that point, back into the ocean.
"I'm very happy the light of day has come to this," said Costner, who has spent 15 years working on the project during a news conference in New Orleans. "That is why it's developed."
"It's prepared to go out and solve problems, not talk about them," he said in reference to the technology he has invested millions of dollars in.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 08:35:40 AM
do you think they WANTED it to happen?............did you know that last year MMS (federal Minerals Management Service) awarded the rig an award for its safety history.....to think that BP intentionally allowed something of this nature to happed is outrageous.....
Oh, I know they didn't want it to happen, because it's going to cost them a lot of money.
But, ONE SAFETY VALVE. One safety valve that was marginally functional, with a poor record of working correctly. Why one, because it was to save them some money.
Then on top of that BP found parts of the valve coming up with the drilling mud. Henry would you keep driving your car, if you found metal shavings on you oil dip stick. The way you defend the large corporations, you probably drive it until you threw a rod through the block, totally destroying your engine. Because you hoped it wouldn't happen. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on May 21, 2010, 09:09:17 AM
Oh, I know they didn't want it to happen, because it's going to cost them a lot of money.
But, ONE SAFETY VALVE. One safety valve that was marginally functional, with a poor record of working correctly. Why one, because it was to save them some money.
Then on top of that BP found parts of the valve coming up with the drilling mud. Henry would you keep driving your car, if you found metal shavings on you oil dip stick. The way you defend the large corporations, you probably drive it until you threw a rod through the block, totally destroying your engine. Because you hoped it wouldn't happen. :rolleyes:
did you know that year MMS (federal Minerals Management Service) awarded that rig an award for its safety history?.....it is obvious that a HUGE mistake happened.....I am not defending them, but I get the feeling that the liberals WANT BP to fail on this, despite the damage it may cause, JUST so they can build THEIR base against off-shore drilling....
we need to do what ever it takes to clean this mess....and worry about who pays, or who's fault it is later.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 08:35:40 AM
do you think they WANTED it to happen?............did you know that last year MMS (federal Minerals Management Service) awarded the rig an award for its safety history.....to think that BP intentionally allowed something of this nature to happed is outrageous.....
Nobody wanted this to happen, but someone was hoping it would not happen despite their deviation from industry approval , and regulatory endorsement of, standard operational procedures that were implemented to prevent it from happening. And that someone is BP.
Guess they were resting on their laurels over that safety award, because when that blow out preventer puked its parts up they did nothing. . .
When the backup to the blow out preventer dropped to less than 50% capacity, they did nothing. . .
When provided permission to utilize chemical dispersants to help try to minimize the impact, they chose the most toxic material on the list. . .
They lied about how much has been leaking instead of saying they did not know . . .
They make statements to try to minimize the size of the spill, and impact of this spill upon the environment. . .
They use the incident to drive up consumer prices for fuel, despite the fact that virtually none of this crude would have been utilized within the US market. . .
And the list keeps growing. . . So yeah, I think they are money grubbing liars!
they obviously screwed up...I don't think they are tying to hide that fact....something went wrong, and I agree they in hindsite should have done things differently....I think, had they truly known that this would happen they would have done what they needed to do....I don't think they are some evil, bad guy out to destroy the enviroment....being good steward to the enviroment should be first and foremost....
go to their website and they have a briefing everyday on the situtation....
and btw, gas prices has come down the last few days.... :confused:
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html (http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html)
Here is a live web cam of the oil riser flow....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 10:17:58 AM
they obviously screwed up...I don't think they are tying to hide that fact....something went wrong, and I agree they in hindsite should have done things differently....I think, had they truly known that this would happen they would have done what they needed to do....I don't think they are some evil, bad guy out to destroy the enviroment....being good steward to the enviroment should be first and foremost....
go to their website and they have a briefing everyday on the situtation....
and btw, gas prices has come down the last few days.... :confused:
NOT diesel - - - $3.16/US gal. :mad:
Unlike you, I am not willing to extend any level of assumption toward BP that would insinuate good faith on their behalf. The facts are they are the experts in their field, they participated in the development of the regulatory procedures that they agreed to operate within at all times, they chose to take risks that involved deviation from the ascribed to and approved procedures, and they knew damned good and well that said risk involved a very high probability that just such an incident could result. And it did.
The public statements of their leadership since the incident demonstrate their desire to shrug this off and weasel out of their responsibility in dealing with the long term ramifications of the environmental and economical damages it has, and will, inflict upon the people of this country. And certainly daylight has been shown upon the fact that the very regulatory body created to assure compliance in daily operations has developed into a rubber stamp process that looks the other way; a situation BP took into account when deciding to take the risks in deviating from SOP in the first place.
Deep Water Horizon's achievement of a world record production milestone just weeks prior to this incident, also played a key role in the decision process; since company leadership highly desired yet another milestone achievement and made no effort to hide that fact.
from their website: they are NOT lying on the flow...they even have gov officials there with them to help them decided this....
Today BP launched a live webcam of the riser flow. The webcam can be viewed at www.bp.com (http://www.bp.com/).
BP has been providing a live feed to government entities over the last two weeks – including the US Department of the Interior, US Coast Guard, Minerals Management Service (MMS) through the Unified Area Command center in Louisiana – as well as to BP and industry scientists and engineers involved in the effort to stop the spill.
BP continues its work to collect oil by the riser insertion tube tool (RITT) containment system. Once on the drillship Discoverer Enterprise, the oil is then being stored and gas is being flared. The RITT remains a new technology and both its continued operation and its effectiveness in capturing the oil and gas remain uncertain. BP has, and will continue, to support the government's work to determine the rate of flow from the well. Since the Deepwater Horizon accident, the flow rate estimate has been established by the Unified Command. Throughout the process, BP has made it a priority to quickly and consistently provide the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the Coast Guard with requested information for the joint command structure to make as accurate an assessment as possible of the rate of flow.
The rate of flow from the riser is determined in a number of ways and by a number of variables. For instance, while the original riser was 19.5 inches in diameter prior to the Deepwater Horizon accident, damage sustained during the accident distorted the diameter at the end of the pipe by about 30 per cent. In addition, a drill pipe currently trapped inside the riser has reduced the flow area by an additional 10 per cent. Thus, some third party estimates of flow, which assume a 19.5 inch diameter, are inaccurate. As well, there is natural gas in the riser. Data on the hydrocarbons recovered to date suggests that the proportion of gas in the plume exiting the riser is, on average, approximately 50 percent. To provide further specificity on the flow rate, the US government has created a Flow Rate Technical Team (FRTT) to develop a more precise estimate. The FRTT includes the US Coast Guard, NOAA, MMS, Department of Energy (DOE) and the US Geological Survey. The FRTT is mandated to produce a report by close of business on Saturday, May 22.
To support this, BP is in the process of providing FRTT with all requested information, including diagrams and schematics showing release points, amounts of oil and gas currently being collected on the Discoverer Enterprise, and subsea video of the oil release point.
Wow. . . you are drinking the crude kool aid . . . :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 11:12:18 AM
Wow. . . you are drinking the crude kool aid . . . :spooked:
no I am not, I'm just trying to shine a light on the other side............it seems like the liberals are just looking for everything and anything to make sure that the Oil industry goes away because of this.....
how much do you think you will pay for diesel if they close down ALL US drilling?.....
it is the left that makes me WANT to defend these guys......I wish the dems would quit the f'ing politics of this and lets work together and just fix the problem.....
What?!? Seriously, the statement "the liberals are looking for a reason to make the oil industry go away" is about the craziest claim that I think I've ever heard.
And to use that reasoning to justify your inability to reason is beyond :bs:
Well, it does not surprise me that you would say what you just did....and I am quite able to reason, with no needs to try to justify it to someone who is never going to try to understand opposing views....
I have seen blogs and other forum discussions and liberals are having serious woodies over this BP incident...their are liberals who believe that this is the end of the Oil Industry because of this mishap....
Ummm interesting sites that you've been to.
Anyone who isn't upset by the oil spill is, for the lack of a better word, an asshole. There is call for concern. The otherside? has not been 100% forthcoming with information which would make the true depth of this issue clear. That gives them the appearance of attempting to shirk some of the responsibility.
As for you, I'm not surprised that you'd defend them. I've become accustomed to your hatred of liberals being so intense, that the culpability of "the otherside" doesn't matter, just your need to be opposite anything a liberal may stand up against. So no, you think that your power of reasoning is intact, but your words tell a different story. Don't blame the liberals for your own shortcomings.
no shortcoming here, whatsoever!!... :no:
I completely understand and see what is going on....THAT is why there is going to be a major change in Washington in November...and why there is changes in Jersey, Mass and Penn.... ;) :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 10:17:58 AM
they obviously screwed up...I don't think they are tying to hide that fact....something went wrong, and I agree they in hindsite should have done things differently....I think, had they truly known that this would happen they would have done what they needed to do....I don't think they are some evil, bad guy out to destroy the enviroment....being good steward to the enviroment should be first and foremost....
go to their website and they have a briefing everyday on the situtation....
and btw, gas prices has come down the last few days.... :confused:
Boy oboy you should get a job with BP, "I don't think they were trying to hide anything." Well, it sort of hard to hide an oil slick the size of the state of Delaware.
BP did what every corporation does, they try to make the largest amount of money with the smallest amount spent. They cheated, they lied and the F*#ked up the Gulf of Mexico and everybody connected with it and you defend them.
What is wrong with this picture. Henry who claims he doesn't hardly has two nickles to rub together, raised in a union family with all of those advantages and he wants to defend the criminal actions of a multibillion dollar foreign oil corporation. :blah: :blah: :suck: :suck: :wacko:
Why don't you take you boat :titanic: and go fishing :fish: in the Gulf, Henry.
Quote from: The Troll on May 21, 2010, 01:01:31 PM
Boy oboy you should get a job with BP, "I don't think they were trying to hide anything." Well, it sort of hard to hide an oil slick the size of the state of Delaware.
BP did what every corporation does, they try to make the largest amount of money with the smallest amount spent. They cheated, they lied and the F*#ked up the Gulf of Mexico and everybody connected with it and you defend them.
What is wrong with this picture. Henry who claims he doesn't hardly has two nickles to rub together, raised in a union family with all of those advantages and he wants to defend the criminal actions of a multibillion dollar foreign oil corporation. :blah: :blah: :suck: :suck: :wacko:
Why don't you take you boat :titanic: and go fishing :fish: in the Gulf, Henry.
BP employs more than 29,000 people in the US....and I think there are plenty of people out there who would work for them about right now.....
I never claimed I hardly have two nickles to rub together....
and I never said I want BP to "get away" with anything.....I want to wait and see how they handle this...give them a chance to TRY to make this right (not that they can EVER make it right)....the media and the left are making them out as 100% guilty and ready to execute them.....and I don't think ALL corporations are out to screw folks....unfortunatly there ARE some out there that do....but, that does not make all of them bad.....the one's I do NOT trustis BIG GOVERNMENT!!!!....THEY ARE OUT TO SCREW US!!!!....the left is always defending them.....so, there you go.
:spooked:
Apparently the 11 people who lost their lives in this, due to the short-sighted and reprehensible laxity of BP, are just collateral damage huh? ? ? The cherry on the hot sludge sundae BP wants us all to slurp up and live with for the next couple of centuries. . .
Wow. . . I am speechless. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2010, 01:24:24 PM
:spooked:
Apparently the 11 people who lost their lives in this, due to the short-sighted and reprehensible laxity of BP, are just collateral damage huh? ? ? The cherry on the hot sludge sundae BP wants us all to slurp up and live with for the next couple of centuries. . .
Wow. . . I am speechless. . . :spooked:
you honestly think that they are okay with those 11 people who lost their lives?...........can you PROVE beyond a shadow of doubt that BP KNEW something bad was going to happen and just shut their eyes?.............I find that asinine, I really do......you guys have no idea, you have listened to spinned stories.........I cannot buy into this Big Oil will do anything for a profit crap, even if it becomes their demise...
why did this government give them a "safety" award last year IF, it was in that bad of shape?.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 01:46:03 PM
you honestly think that they are okay with those 11 people who lost their lives?...........can you PROVE beyond a shadow of doubt that BP KNEW something bad was going to happen and just shut their eyes?.............I find that asinine, I really do......you guys have no idea, you have listened to spinned stories.........I cannot buy into this Big Oil will do anything for a profit crap, even if it becomes their demise...
why did this government give them a "safety" award last year IF, it was in that bad of shape?.....
I will take the word of their chief electrical engineer and others who survived to tell the tale, as well as the word of the most respected investigator in the industry, over the propaganda of the perpetrators any day of the year. . .
Moreover, the sop's and regulatory rules are in place for a reason, and BP participated in the creation, writing, and implementation of those same sop's and regulations; so yeah, they knew damned good and well what the possibilities were and risks associated with ignoring them. . . Blatantly ignoring them and costing the lives of 11 human beings as well as the untold environmental and economic negative impacts we have yet to fully realize.
The Exxon Valdez had a price tag of 3 billion associated with it, of which they paid 1 billion; and the negative impact is ongoing in Alaska 20 years later! This incident is already
many times larger than that one. . .
it seems to me that our gov HAS to get involved in this.....we need to be doing EVERYTHING possible to stop this, and begin a REAL clean up....we should not expect BP to do this alone....and I am not saying that BP should NOT be responsible for ALL costs, because the should be....I am NOT defending that at all.
I think THIS is something that needs a close look at.... I bumped this one in case some have not heard about it....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 09:02:02 AM
I like this story about Kevin Costner and HIS efforts....this is a very interesting Idea, that BP is going to try....
http://news.spreadit.org/kevin-costner-oil-spill/ (http://news.spreadit.org/kevin-costner-oil-spill/)
Kevin Costner Oil Spill – Kevin Costner has been extremely vocal with his thoughts on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster that took place over a month ago. He feels that the situation is not being handled correctly, and gave an opinion that differs from those of many experts. Costner has been in charge of the construction of oil separation machines. He has been working on the project to prepare for another large oil spill, which is exactly what we have on our hands now.
Costner was heavily affected by the lasting effects of the Valdez oil spill in Alaska in 1989, and decided that he would like to invest money toward a solution for the problem.
Reportedly, Costner, who is an environmentalist and fisherman, saw the spill when it originally happened and didn’t like the fact that there is currently no way to separate oil easily from the watter that it has spilled into. His brother, Dan, is a scientists who has been working on the project with him and recently spent some time in New Orleans observing the situation.
Doug Suttles, the Chief Operating Officer of BP recently approved up to six machines for testing their validity in the current situation. The machines are giant vacuum machines that are able to suck the oil from out of the water, and then separate the oil and water from one another. The oil is then stored in its own container, with the water, which is 99.9 purified at that point, back into the ocean.
“I’m very happy the light of day has come to this,” said Costner, who has spent 15 years working on the project during a news conference in New Orleans. “That is why it’s developed.”
“It’s prepared to go out and solve problems, not talk about them,” he said in reference to the technology he has invested millions of dollars in.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 03:35:35 PM
it seems to me that our gov HAS to get involved in this.....we need to be doing EVERYTHING possible to stop this, and begin a REAL clean up....we should not expect BP to do this alone....and I am not saying that BP should NOT be responsible for ALL costs, because the should be....I am NOT defending that at all.
The government is involved Henry, and have been since week one of this FUBAR situation. The amount of government resources being utilized toward this exceeds that expended toward Katrina already. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 01:13:45 PM
BP employs more than 29,000 people in the US....and I think there are plenty of people out there who would work for them about right now.....
I never claimed I hardly have two nickles to rub together....
and I never said I want BP to "get away" with anything.....I want to wait and see how they handle this...give them a chance to TRY to make this right (not that they can EVER make it right)....the media and the left are making them out as 100% guilty and ready to execute them.....and I don't think ALL corporations are out to screw folks....unfortunatly there ARE some out there that do....but, that does not make all of them bad.....the one's I do NOT trustis BIG GOVERNMENT!!!!....THEY ARE OUT TO SCREW US!!!!....the left is always defending them.....so, there you go.
Tell me Henry, just what has the government personally screwed you out of. I would like to know.
You say they had a perfect safety record. Well, you know what they say about that. You can have a billion ATTABOYS, but one OH SHIT cancells all of them.
Ford my plant got perfect safety awards every year. Every year I seen so many close calls, near accidents. The small one's, Ford would bring the person in and they would set in a chair on a very easy job or up at the hospital so the wouldn't have a loss hour accident report.
Even the government admitted that they didn't check BP very close and took their word for everything.
You say BP shouldn't have to pay for all of this by themselves. Who in hell is suppose to pay for it. They caused it. What a Dip Stick.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2010, 12:41:21 PM
....THAT is why there is going to be a major change in Washington in November...and why there is changes in Jersey, Mass and Penn....
And Kentucky, I guess. The voters there snubbed Mitch McConnell's hand-picked candidate to make Rand Paul their Republican candidate for Senate. Not only does Paul think it's unfair to expect BP to clean up their own mess, he thinks it is wrong to hold coal mine owners accountable for deaths in their mines.
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/may/21/rand-paul-obamas-criticism-bp-un-american/?partner=popular
niiiiiice :rolleyes:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on May 21, 2010, 08:39:24 PM
niiiiiice :rolleyes:
Quote from: LOsborne on May 21, 2010, 08:05:01 PM
And Kentucky, I guess. The voters there snubbed Mitch McConnell's hand-picked candidate to make Rand Paul their Republican candidate for Senate. Not only does Paul think it's unfair to expect BP to clean up their own mess, he thinks it is wrong to hold coal mine owners accountable for deaths in their mines.
http://www.courierpress.com/news/2010/may/21/rand-paul-obamas-criticism-bp-un-american/?partner=popular
That guy is a real jackass isn't he?! :rolleyes: :mad:
Where does he say that he thinks its unfair to make BP pay?
Quote"What I don't like from the president's administration is this sort of, 'I'll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,'" Paul said in an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America." ''I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business."
QuoteOn the oil spill, Paul, a libertarian and tea party favorite, said he had heard nothing from BP indicating it wouldn't pay for the spill that threatens devastating environmental damage along the Gulf of Mexico coast.
If these are the remarks you're referring to I see nothing like that in them. What I see is his terminology of putting a boot heel to the throat of BP not that he doesn't think they should pay.
And you tell me I have a comprehension problem?????????
Quote from: me on May 21, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
What I see is his terminology of putting a boot heel to the throat of BP not that he doesn't think they should pay.
Really? What do you think he is objecting to about the boot heel remark? The quality of the leather?
The "boot heal to the throat" metaphor means this administration is not going to let BP pass their culpability for this mess off to anyone else. Rand Paul thinks holding BP accountable is un-American. He says "sometimes accidents happen." And it's true that accidents happen. But when I have an accident that causes damage, I have to pay for it. BP should too.
My comprehension skills are just fine,
me. You seem to have a problem taking figures of speech too literally.
What he was saying is he heard nothing that indicated they weren't going to pay for the oil spill so why say something as crass as he was going to put a boot heel to their throats like he was going to have to force them to pay.
Quote from: me on May 22, 2010, 09:40:41 AM
What he was saying is he heard nothing that indicated they weren't going to pay for the oil spill so why say something as crass as he was going to put a boot heel to their throats like he was going to have to force them to pay.
Then I guess neither he, nor you, heard anything about this particular question and answer session a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/10/93868/bp-transocean-halliburton-will.html
It's too bad you think "boot heel to the throat" is over the top in the crassness sweepstakes. Where does forcing the Deep Water Horizon survivors to sign hold-harmless statements before seeing their families fall on your not-polite scale?
Quote from: me on May 22, 2010, 09:40:41 AM
What he was saying is he heard nothing that indicated they weren't going to pay for the oil spill so why say something as crass as he was going to put a boot heel to their throats like he was going to have to force them to pay.
"ME" I don't want you to completely give up the Fox New Channel, because you would have withdrawal pains.
But you are going to have to broaden you horizion a little. Start watching some of the other new channels, they tell the truth. Plumber, your brain is working like a inverted septic tank the :poop: is rising to the top and clogging your brain cells. :rotfl: :rotfl: :wacko:
If you'll read further back you'll see what I think of the whole thing and I'm not the one who said that I thought "boot heel to the throat" was over the top.
Quote from: LOsborne on May 22, 2010, 10:53:22 AM
Then I guess neither he, nor you, heard anything about this particular question and answer session a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/10/93868/bp-transocean-halliburton-will.html
It's too bad you think "boot heel to the throat" is over the top in the crassness sweepstakes. Where does forcing the Deep Water Horizon survivors to sign hold-harmless statements before seeing their families fall on your not-polite scale?
Quote from: me on May 22, 2010, 12:09:49 PM
....I'm not the one who said that I thought "boot heel to the throat" was over the top.
Yes, you were.
...why say something as crass as he was going to put a boot heel to their throats...
:groan: Will you just please quit already. For someone who is supposed to be so smooth and well spoken as Obama that was a crass remark.
Quote from: LOsborne on May 22, 2010, 02:48:18 PM
Yes, you were.
...why say something as crass as he was going to put a boot heel to their throats...
Quote from: me on May 22, 2010, 04:29:17 PM
:groan: Will you just please quit already. For someone who is supposed to be so smooth and well spoken as Obama that was a crass remark.
:food24:
The POTUS never said that and I challenge you to produce something that proves he did. That closet nazi Rand Paul said it so he is the crass ass!
How can a Libertarian who believes in very little government be a Nazi?
Quote from: Palehorse on May 22, 2010, 06:47:27 PM
:food24:
The POTUS never said that and I challenge you to produce something that proves he did. That closet nazi Rand Paul said it so he is the crass ass!
Quote from: me on May 22, 2010, 12:09:49 PM
If you'll read further back you'll see what I think of the whole thing and I'm not the one who said that I thought "boot heel to the throat" was over the top.
Please tell me "ME" where and when did Obama make that statement "Putting the heel of his boot on the throat of BP" was said.
I have researched all over the place and I can't find it. I did find that Rand Paul said the statement and put it in the context that Obama said it or thought it.
You are so persistent about getting everything right, I hope you didn't screwup and would make people think you were nuts.
The Troll :zzz: waiting for you answer. :dark: :seeya2:
And this is so important because? He won deal with it.
Quote from: The Troll on May 23, 2010, 05:58:47 AM
Please tell me "ME" where and when did Obama make that statement "Putting the heel of his boot on the throat of BP" was said.
I have researched all over the place and I can't find it. I did find that Rand Paul said the statement and put it in the context that Obama said it or thought it.
You are so persistent about getting everything right, I hope you didn't screwup and would make people think you were nuts.
The Troll :zzz: waiting for you answer. :dark: :seeya2:
Quote from: me on May 23, 2010, 10:20:47 AM
And this is so important because? He won deal with it.
I don't want to deal with it and I don't give a damn that he won. If those dumbass Kentuckians want the Regal, Rich Boy, Racist, Ron's baby boy, that's their problem. Once he gets to Washington, he'll just walk lockstep like the rest of the Republicans do.
I still want to know where you got that Obama said he want to "put his boot heel of the throat of BP. Did you SCREW UP again.
The Troll, :razz: :biggrin:
For the last time.....
I am not the one that said he said that Rand Paul is the one who said he said that. Do you need me to turn this up? :finger01:
Quote from: The Troll on May 23, 2010, 12:00:38 PM
I don't want to deal with it and I don't give a damn that he won. If those dumbass Kentuckians want the Regal, Rich Boy, Racist, Ron's baby boy, that's their problem. Once he gets to Washington, he'll just walk lockstep like the rest of the Republicans do.
I still want to know where you got that Obama said he want to "put his boot heel of the throat of BP. Did you SCREW UP again.
The Troll, :razz: :biggrin:
Are you one of them Pukwudgies by any chance?
Still spewing!
Quote from: me on May 23, 2010, 12:42:11 PM
For the last time.....I am not the one that said he said that Rand Paul is the one who said he said that. Do you need me to turn this up?
No, I need you to explain how you can claim you are not the one saying the POTUS made a crass remark, when you ARE the one that posted
this comment:
What he was saying is he heard nothing that indicated they weren't going to pay for the oil spill so why say something as crass as he was going to put a boot heel to their throats like he was going to have to force them to pay.Rand may have made up the quote, but you are the one who called it crass. It doesn't matter how big and bold and underlined you make your denial. You typed the words.
Let me clarify it then...
.If he made the remark it was crude and crass. Now are ya happy? :rolleyes:
Quote from: LOsborne on May 23, 2010, 04:02:48 PM
No, I need you to explain how you can claim you are not the one saying the POTUS made a crass remark, when you ARE the one that posted this comment:
What he was saying is he heard nothing that indicated they weren't going to pay for the oil spill so why say something as crass as he was going to put a boot heel to their throats like he was going to have to force them to pay.
Rand may have made up the quote, but you are the one who called it crass. It doesn't matter how big and bold and underlined you make your denial. You typed the words.
Quote from: me on May 23, 2010, 04:35:16 PM
Let me clarify it then....If he made the remark it was crude and crass. Now are ya happy? :rolleyes:
No, I am not happy untill, pardon me, Hey Medic, Help Medic, I need a nitro pill, "ME" admitted she was wrong, I think it's the big one. :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on May 23, 2010, 05:35:35 PM
No, I am not happy untill, pardon me, Hey Medic, Help Medic, I need a nitro pill, "ME" admitted she was wrong, I think it's the big one. :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :biggrin:
Say hi to Red for me. . . (Red Fox). . . :biggrin:
Where do you see that anyway. I clarified what I said.
Quote from: The Troll on May 23, 2010, 05:35:35 PM
No, I am not happy untill, pardon me, Hey Medic, Help Medic, I need a nitro pill, "ME" admitted she was wrong, I think it's the big one. :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :biggrin:
Quote from: me on May 23, 2010, 04:35:16 PM
Let me clarify it then....If he made the remark it was crude and crass. Now are ya happy?
Sure, so long as you comprehend the person making the crude and crass remark was Rand Paul. Still think it's crude and crass? You used to say
who said something mattered more than
what was said. Is Mr. Paul allowed to make up crass remarks?
Quote from: me on May 23, 2010, 04:35:16 PM
Let me clarify it then....If he made the remark it was crude and crass. Now are ya happy? :rolleyes:
The remark that Rand Paul made was not only crude and crass, it was stupid.
What does Rand Paul think of the oil spill and BP. Well, accidents happen and that EPA should have no control over BP sprays on the oil spill and what BP does about the oil clean up.
It is rude and crude and here is who said it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JorKgvmfF_4
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/21/rand-paul-calls-obama-administrations-criticism-of-bp-in-oil-sp/
Rand Paul Calls Obama Administration's Criticism of BP in Oil Spill 'Un-American'
Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul kept talking Friday, this time saying that the Obama administration's harsh criticism of BP in connection with the Gulf oil spill sounds un-American.
Paul, who got in trouble this week for seeming to suggest he had issues with the 1964 Civil Rights Act forcing government's will on private businesses, said he was offended by the Obama Cabinet's vow to put a "boot heel on the throat of BP." Rand told ABC's "Good Morning America, "I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business." It was actually Interior Secretary Ken Salazar who said he would "keep the boot on the neck" of BP to make sure the oil company met its responsibility to clean up the mess in the Gulf caused by the blowout of one of its deep sea wells.
"When does my honeymoon period start? I had a big victory," Paul said in an interview with host George Stephanopoulos, relayed by the New York Times. "I've just been trashed up and down and they have been saying some things that are untrue. And when they say I'm for repealing the Civil Rights Act, it's absolutely false. It's never been my position . . . "
Rand Paul
Paul, who won the Senate GOP nomination in Kentucky over a more established candidate, is a favorite of the Tea Party movement and the son of Texas Rep. Ron Paul, a libertarian who ran for president as a Republican in 2008. Rand Paul, an eye doctor, is making his first bid for public office -- and getting a hard lesson in how fast a careless comment can roar through cyberspace.
After saying earlier this week he supported the 1964 law but also thought business owners should have some say in how they conducted their operations, Rand asked Friday why no one was grilling Sen. Robert Byrd, 92, about his opposition to the Civil Rights Act more than 40 years ago. Rand also had a comment on the West Virginia mine disaster which left 29 coal miners dead. Coal mining is also big business in Kentucky and the accident was "very tragic," he said. "Then we come in, and it's always someone's fault. Maybe sometimes accidents happen."
Here we are still spewing oil into the ocean over a month later. Last week this "top kill" procedure was supposed to take place by Sunday. . . Then on Saturday it was Monday. . . now they are saying Wednesday. .
Soon it will be August and the relief wells will be completed. . . :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 24, 2010, 11:13:43 AM
Here we are still spewing oil into the ocean over a month later. Last week this "top kill" procedure was supposed to take place by Sunday. . . Then on Saturday it was Monday. . . now they are saying Wednesday. .
Soon it will be August and the relief wells will be completed. . . :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
Do you think that new well will have more the one Safety Valves? Oh no, they couldn't be that stupid again, could they?
Quote from: The Troll on May 24, 2010, 08:26:38 PM
Do you think that new well will have more the one Safety Valves? Oh no, they couldn't be that stupid again, could they?
Hell you know damned good and well they are. Its sister rig is the same friggin way and in a lot of ways worse. . . :yes:
Wonder how those 2 relief well rigs are??? :rolleyes:
And now BP is saying they are going to discontinue the live feed of the oil spill during their "top-kill" procedure. . .
Why?
After looking into the Joyce Foundation, Shore Bank, and a couple of other things this morning the whole thing is really beginning to stink to me.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 25, 2010, 03:22:12 PM
And now BP is saying they are going to discontinue the live feed of the oil spill during their "top-kill" procedure. . .
Why?
I would imagine it would not be anything to see, because of the disruption of oil, mud and debris.....they may need to move all camera's away from there to keep them from being destroyed....or they may have some sort of evil, secret money making reason that they don't want the liberals to see....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 25, 2010, 03:57:23 PM
I would imagine it would not be anything to see, because of the disruption of oil, mud and debris.....they may need to move all camera's away from there to keep them from being destroyed....or they may have some sort of evil, secret money making reason that they don't want the liberals to see....
Keep using that imagination; its serving you so well these days. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on May 25, 2010, 04:00:36 PM
Keep using that imagination; its serving you so well these days. . . :rolleyes:
then you tell us .... WHY, do you think they are stopping the video stream?...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 25, 2010, 04:10:09 PM
then you tell us .... WHY, do you think they are stopping the video stream?...
For the same reasons they had to be pressured to provide access to it in the first place!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 25, 2010, 04:10:09 PM
then you tell us .... WHY, do you think they are stopping the video stream?...
It's BAD PRESS, and BAD PRESS cost money for BP. :flap: :flap: :flap: :bliss: :bliss: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on May 25, 2010, 04:17:05 PM
It's BAD PRESS, and BAD PRESS cost money for BP. :flap: :flap: :flap: :bliss: :bliss: :yes:
they have had it on there for a few days now....not much to really see.....and I don't think BP can get much more 'bad press' than they have had for the last four weeks....
I see no reason for shutting out big brother; BP certainly has done nothing to instill trust and confidence in them doing the right thing. . .
The stream is blacker now, instead of brown. That means almost no natural gas is being emitted; therefore, all oil -- ergo, the volume of oil release is larger, and the impact on the environment.............
The boycott is growing :smile:
Quote from: followsthewolf on May 26, 2010, 10:04:22 AM
The stream is blacker now, instead of brown. That means almost no natural gas is being emitted; therefore, all oil -- ergo, the volume of oil release is larger, and the impact on the environment.............
well, now it is almost ALL brown....what does that mean.......?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 26, 2010, 11:14:06 AM
well, now it is almost ALL brown....what does that mean.......?
It means that crude oil is black and when it is mixed with salt water it turns brown.
When this gusher started it was half natural gas. Now there was hardly any gas in it, therefore the volume of the material comng out of the pipe now, is almost 100% crude oil. Very nasty stuff.
ftw says just the opposite, that it is black and THAT is all oil....you say it is brown because it is all oil....one of ya is wrong...
i guess the bottom line is it is STILL spewing, and it needs to get capped....keep fingers crossed the top kill procedure works....and they get started on it real soon...
when does the gov get involved?....at what point does the Obama admin step up?......and WHAT could they do that is any different than BP?.....
If the government gets any more involved than it already is and they still can't get it stopped then it's all on the government and the way it is now it's still all on BP.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 26, 2010, 01:14:59 PM
when does the gov get involved?....at what point does the Obama admin step up?......and WHAT could they do that is any different than BP?.....
Quote from: me on May 26, 2010, 01:36:33 PM
If the government gets any more involved than it already is and they still can't get it stopped then it's all on the government and the way it is now it's still all on BP.
YOU are right me, they NEED BP to put this out because they do not have the resources to do so....if BP don't do it, then nobody can....
Didn't we learn in kindergarten that we are supposed to clean up our own messes?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 26, 2010, 01:42:48 PM
YOU are right me, they NEED BP to put this out because they do not have the resources to do so....if BP don't do it, then nobody can....
Which goes right to the question of this topic; "Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite the Spill?"
The short term answer is pretty obvious, no.
If the very industry that is supposed to be the
experts at this, does
not have the procedures, methods, and technology necessary to address a situation like the one presently taking place, then why should we let them move forward with exploiting our natural resources and placing our environment, and the global environment as well, at risk?
The long term answer is maybe. Once they have the procedures, methods, and technology in place and properly validated, then MAYBE the US should revisit this possibility. But not before.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 26, 2010, 01:14:59 PM
when does the gov get involved?....at what point does the Obama admin step up?......and WHAT could they do that is any different than BP?.....
Department of Homeland Security (DHS)Since the moments after the oil rig explosion on the night of April 20, DHS has played a lead role in federal response efforts—deploying the U.S. Coast Guard to search and rescue the 126 people aboard the rig, and quickly leading efforts to establish a command center on the Gulf Coast to address the potential environmental impact of the event and to coordinate with all state and local governments. Secretary Napolitano leads the National Response Team, an organization of 16 federal departments and agencies responsible for coordinating emergency preparedness and response to oil and hazardous substance pollution events.
U.S. Coast GuardThe Coast Guard has played a major role from the very beginning, when it responded to the explosion on a search and rescue mission to save lives. Pursuant to the National Contingency Plan, Rear Admiral Mary Landry was named the Federal On-Scene Coordinator to lead a Regional Response Team which was stood up that included DHS, DOC/NOAA, DOI and the EPA, as well as state and local representatives. As the event escalated, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen was announced as the National Incident Commander for the administration's continued, coordinated response—providing additional coordinated oversight in leveraging every available resource to respond to the BP oil spill and minimize the associated environmental risks.
Department of the Interior (DOI)The morning after the explosion, Secretary of the Interior deployed Deputy Secretary David J. Hayes to the Gulf Coast to assist with coordination and response to the event, and provide hourly reports back to the administration. Since then, DOI has played a vital role in overseeing BP's response efforts while—at the President's request—working to deliver a report with recommendations on what, if any, additional safety measures should be required for offshore operations. Secretary Salazar has announced that inspections of all deepwater rigs and platforms are underway.
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)Since the BP Oil Spill, EPA has provided full support to the U.S. Coast Guard and is monitoring and responding to potential public health and environmental concerns. Environmental data, including air quality and water samples, will be posted and frequently updated on this site as it is collected and validated by EPA's response teams along the impacted coastlines. This data is meant to determine potential risks to public health and the environment: http://www.epa.gov/bpspill (http://www.epa.gov/bpspill)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric AdministrationAs the nation's leading scientific resource for oil spills, NOAA has been on the scene of the Deepwater Horizon spill from the start, providing coordinated scientific weather and biological response services to federal, state and local organizations: http://response.restoration.noaa.gov/deepwaterhorizon
Weather Forecast: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/lix/
(http://www.srh.noaa.gov/lix/)
Small Business AdministrationSBA is making low-interest loans available to small businesses in the Gulf Coast regions of Alabama, Florida, Louisiana and Mississippi suffering financial losses following the April 20 Deepwater BP oil spill that shut down commercial and recreational fishing in the Gulf of Mexico. SBA's Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDL) are available immediately in designated counties and parishes of each of the four states to help meet the financial needs of qualifying small businesses following the oil spill: http://www.sba.gov/services/disasterassistance (http://www.sba.gov/services/disasterassistance)/
Department of Defense (DOD)DOD continues to support the ongoing response effort by lending Naval and Air Force bases to provide vital staging areas for boom deployments and other activities, and providing C-130 aircraft equipped with Modular Aerial Spray Systems, which dispense chemical dispersant—capable of covering up to 250 acres per flight. DOD also plays a significant role in the National Response Team, helping to lead the coordination of response actions for the federal government. Secretary of Defense Gates has authorized use of Title 32 status for up to 17,500 National Guard members in four states: Alabama (3,000), Florida (2,500), Louisiana (6,000) and Mississippi (6,000).
Department of the Interior's Fish and Wildlife ServiceThe Fish and Wildlife Service continues to support the joint agency response to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico with experienced specialists, land managers, and support personnel. Booms to capture and deflect anticipated oil are being deployed at Breton National Wildlife Refuge, where thousands of brown pelicans and shorebirds are currently nesting. The Service also is initiating Natural Resource Damage Assessment and Restoration activities in this incident to assess and address the long-term damage to impacted resources: http://www.fws.gov/home/dhoilspill (http://www.fws.gov/home/dhoilspill)
Department of the Interior's National Park ServiceThe National Park Service is focused on human safety and resource protection in eight national parks in the Gulf area. These parks are working to assess resources, collect baseline data, coordinate boom placements, plan for responsible cleanup, install barriers for shore bird and turtle nest protection, and plan for potential park closures, if necessary: http://www.nps.gov/aboutus/oil-spill-response.htm (http://www.nps.gov/aboutus/oil-spill-response.htm)
National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health Oil spill response workers may be exposed to many different chemical, physical, biological, and psychological hazards. These hazards vary depending on the type and location of the oil spill, type and stage of response, degree of coordination between entities involved in response and recovery, and the workers' specific tasks. Therefore, occupational and environmental hazards need to be identified, assessed, and monitored in each oil spill response: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/oilspillresponse
(http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/oilspillresponse)
http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/ (http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/deepwater-bp-oil-spill (http://www.whitehouse.gov/deepwater-bp-oil-spill)
How much more involvement do you want/expect from the government?
Quote from: Palehorse on May 26, 2010, 02:56:31 PM
Which goes right to the question of this topic; "Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite the Spill?"
The short term answer is pretty obvious, no.
If the very industry that is supposed to be the experts at this, does not have the procedures, methods, and technology necessary to address a situation like the one presently taking place, then why should we let them move forward with exploiting our natural resources and placing our environment, and the global environment as well, at risk?
The long term answer is maybe. Once they have the procedures, methods, and technology in place and properly validated, then MAYBE the US should revisit this possibility. But not before.
not even going to argue this one, I agree 100%...
my question about the obama admin stepping up was more about actually stopping the spill.....IF, BP says they cannot stop it....what next?...
I don't really expect an answer, just posing a thought....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 26, 2010, 03:20:22 PM
not even going to argue this one, I agree 100%...
my question about the obama admin stepping up was more about actually stopping the spill.....IF, BP says they cannot stop it....what next?...
I don't really expect an answer, just posing a thought....
Next, should topkill prove a failure, you will see the United States Military take command and control of all operations, and initiate protocols to protect US Shorelines and citizens from the oil. Operations surrounding the capping of the well will continue to be performed by BP personnel and industry experts, but under US military command and control.
Isn't BP a UK company and how far off shore is the well? If it is in international waters what authority does the US really have?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 26, 2010, 03:20:22 PM
not even going to argue this one, I agree 100%...
my question about the obama admin stepping up was more about actually stopping the spill.....IF, BP says they cannot stop it....what next?...
I don't really expect an answer, just posing a thought....
Just what do you want him to do, that he hasn't done already, Henry.
The United States has the best military moneyh casn buy and can kill and tear up about anything. The U.S. can send people to the moon and send rockets to about every planet in the solar system. Send a submarine down under the sea, longer the the people can live who drive them.
But the U.S. didn't drill for oil, have oil rigs, or have blowouts or oil spills. The mistake the United States did wrong, we took BP's word and the other oil companies word. Guess what, they lied through their teeth.
Then you ask that half bright question, "when is Obama going to do something" in your Tinkerbell :tink: question. What would John McCain and Sara Paylin done better. :bird:
The Troll :groan:
Quote from: Anne on May 26, 2010, 07:13:15 PM
Isn't BP a UK company and how far off shore is the well? If it is in international waters what authority does the US really have?
The deep water horizon was operating 40 nautical miles off the cost, but within the exclusive economic zone which extends out to 200 nautical miles from the end of territorial water, the baseline of which begins at the low water mark. (TW = 12 miles off any coast on average).
The "exclusive economic zone" provides the coastal nation with control over all resources contained within it, including fish, mining, oil exploration, and pollution. BP could not operate within this zone without a written agreement with the United States that subjects it to US law and control.
Laws of the sea. The term "international waters" is a misnomer, since a very large number of regional agreements, conflicts surrounding exceptions to territorial waters agreements, and global agreements encompass what the landlubber would assume are international waters. . .
Thanks.
HEY, MAYBE THE TROLL WAS WRONG.
We should have brought Sara in on this BIG PROBLEM IN THE GULF. With her being the part time Governor from Alaska. She could see Russia from Alaska and Alaska does have oil.
The Troll :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
PH, I don't want to be a pest but what happens to the 200 mile zone when one country is closer than 400 miles to another country, as in the US and Cuba? Couldn't they both claim ownership of mineral and fishing rights? Sorry, I will try not to get off topic here again.
Quote from: The Troll on May 27, 2010, 07:24:30 AM
HEY, MAYBE THE TROLL WAS WRONG.
We should have brought Sara in on this BIG PROBLEM IN THE GULF. With her being the part time Governor from Alaska. She could see Russia from Alaska and Alaska does have oil.
The Troll :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
But she also knows we don't have 57 states.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Exclusive_Economic_Zones_Nulles.png)
The EEZ's are marked on the above map from Wiki. . . As you can see the EEZ off of Florida is substantially adjusted in comparison to the rest of the nation. The 200 mile range is an average and while a good rule of thumb, not necessarily the case in all areas of the world. Some are larger, some are smaller, and some are under dispute.
Generally a state's EEZ extends to a distance of 200 nautical miles (370 km) out from its coastal baseline. The exception to this rule occurs when EEZs would overlap; that is, state coastal baselines are less than 400 nautical miles (740 km) apart. When an overlap occurs, it is up to the states to delineate the actual boundary. Generally, any point within an overlapping area defaults to the most proximate state. . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Economic_Zone#United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Economic_Zone#United_States)
Elizabeth Birnbaum, director of the U.S. Minerals Management Service which oversees offshore drilling, has been fired.
All new drilling stopped, all pending leases cancelled, all new areas opened to drilling now closed, including Alaska.
Commission established to determine root causes, review safety procedures, establish remediation for gaps and causes,
and validate same. No new permits for 6 months, and review of permit procedures will be conducted to ensure competency and safety.
- POTUS 27MAY2010
Well done Mr President. Now lets get this thing stopped!
http://news.sciencemag.org/oilspill/
http://www.thewilltodrill.com/ (http://www.thewilltodrill.com/)
New York, NY – (May 14, 2010) – Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (http://baldwinmccullough.com) arrived in New Orleans on Monday, May 3rd to take meetings regarding a potential feature film project based on an original screenplay he had written. After two days of discussions, he found the majority of his conversations with the people he came to meet and people in the town were about the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and its potential impact on New Orleans and the State of Louisiana. His mind immediately transitioned to working on what has now become an even greater priority.
Baldwin, his media company XtreMEDIA, and his crew quickly embarked upon the production of a documentary entitled THE WILL TO DRILL. The film is to be a partisan exploration of the events that transpired after the explosion of the off shore oil rig Deepwater Horizon and all that has transpired since. Many are considering this to be an event that could be the worst environmental disaster to ever impact The American coast line. Baldwin quickly launched into action bringing in a team of camera operators and headed straight to the 'ground zero' of the situation in Plaquemines Parrish, New Orleans.
Upon his arrival, Baldwin connected with Parrish President Billy Nungesser to start the process of understanding what the people of New Orleans were going through. Much to his surprise he learned that the magnitude of the spill was far greater than he had heard. Baldwin states, "In learning what the locals were going through, I immediately felt compelled to want to help and get involved in creating more awareness." During this process Baldwin filmed all the while – interviewing local shrimpers, oysterman and fisherman. Word quickly got out about Baldwin's presence in the area and his project. Soon after that Baldwin was invited to join Louisiana Governor, Bobby Jindal, aboard a Black Hawk Military helicopter with a contingency of other invited guests for a viewing of the marsh lands that had already been damaged. He was overwhelmed by the amount of oil spanning out for miles over the surface of the Gulf of Mexico.
Simultaneously, Actor Kevin Costner was visiting the area as he was presenting his technology that has the ability to separate oil from water in an event such as this. Baldwin was able to capture this with his cameras showing a successful test of Costner's technology.
Consulting on the documentary is veteran independent motion picture distributor Paul Cohen, Director of the Torchlight Program at The Florida State University's College of Motion Picture Arts. The College has agreed to lend its full support to Baldwin's efforts as well. Baldwin and Cohen currently are in enroute to the Cannes International Film Festival to meet with various film makers and distributors for THE WILL TO DRILL. Cohen will also be representing the Film School to celebrate it's graduates whose film "The Myth of the American Sleep Over" that has been selected for Critics Week. Cohen was recently involved with the marketing of multiple independent motion pictures and most recently the Oscar winning documentary "The Cove."
For continued coverage please log onto www.thewilltodrill.com (http://thewilltodrill.com).
Quote from: me on May 04, 2010, 02:28:04 PM
Now this is scary, Troll and I agree on something. :eek: Was that sound I heard hell freezing over? :biggrin: :sos: :waaa:
Me too, that was a smart answer.
Quote from: rotflmao on June 02, 2010, 12:39:47 AM
Me too, that was a smart answer.
Ya, Troll isn't dumb by any means just has a different slant on most things than I do.
Ya know I had a thought last night. Wonder if it's a case of the rig workers know exactly what to do to stop it and the people "in the know" won't listen to them. A lot of times those college educated brainiacs let logic and common sense escape them because it isn't in the book so they think it won't/can't work when someone who works in the field every day has more practical knowledge.
Epistemophobiac
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 06, 2010, 03:10:01 PM
Epistemophobiac
Glad to know you finally realized what your problem is. I'm sure with time and the right frame of mind you can be cured. :yes:
I'm rubber you're glue...skill-wise I'd give your come-back a pre-pre-school level of expertise. If YOU didn't have a fear of learning, then you could do better. ;D
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 06, 2010, 04:31:33 PM
I'm rubber you're glue...skill-wise I'd give your come-back a pre-pre-school level of expertise. If YOU didn't have a fear of learning, then you could do better. ;D
You do the rubber glue thing and you say my comeback was pre school??????? :koolaid: Here ya go time for your nap now. :rolleyes:
Is your response an example of what you'd consider "logical" and "common sense"? :biggrin:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 06, 2010, 07:12:19 PM
Is your response an example of what you'd consider "logical" and "common sense"? :biggrin:
Which response, the first one or the second one? Well, don't matter really both were made from observations of the person making the statements. :razz:
Either and whatever your intent was you only managed silly.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 06, 2010, 09:54:10 PM
Either and whatever your intent was you only managed silly.
I realize you were probably referring to the college brainiacs but I couldn't resist. :razz:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 06, 2010, 03:10:01 PM
Epistemophobiac
Ok Sandy, fill the dumby in on what the word means. It's got to be a made up medical term.
The medical profession like's to use these words to keep us common people in the dark. Just like in the old days, when the bible was written in Latin and it was a crime for common people to read it. The Priest would give the service in Latin to keep the common people in the dark.
Thanks to King Henry, he had the bible printed in English and let everbody read it. You won't see the medical profession wanting the common people to see everything they do in the light of day.
Fear of knowledge.
Thanks FTW :thumbsup:
I was referring to me's aversion to education and that seemed to be the closest fit.
I'm still unsure why someone who is "college educated" would lack "logic and common sense".
I also think that engineers would typically be the ones who "work with" this equipment and I've never met and engineer w/out higher education.
Just saying....
Every job/profession/workplace has its own jargon or specialized vocabulary.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 07, 2010, 07:56:28 AM
Thanks FTW :thumbsup:
I was referring to me's aversion to education and that seemed to be the closest fit.
I'm still unsure why someone who is "college educated" would lack "logic and common sense".
I also think that engineers would typically be the ones who "work with" this equipment and I've never met and engineer w/out higher education.
Just saying....
We Sandy, you must have lived in another world than I have. I spent 38 years in the auto industry in skilled trades and I have work with a lot of college educated people.
Well I'm here to tell there is a lot of college people and engineers that lack logic and common sense. One time Ford hire about 25 just out of college educated engineers and gave them supervisor power over skilled tradesmen with 20 to 30 years of experience. Oh my god what a mess. These kids couldn't fix their own bicycles. Some of them would tell you they didn't know much about the job and we would work together and we got along fine.
But some, especially the Purdue boys. All they had going for them was a degree and an bad attitude towards blue collar skilled tradesman (hourly workers). Beside being smart asses, they had no idea how to work with people and to actually do anything. They wouldn't have made good apprentices.
Some of them didn't amount to a hill of beans. The real smart ones left Ford because they could see the writting on the wall about the American automobile business, they left for better jobs. The dumbass ones we got to keep.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 07, 2010, 07:56:28 AM
Thanks FTW :thumbsup:
I was referring to me's aversion to education and that seemed to be the closest fit.
I'm still unsure why someone who is "college educated" would lack "logic and common sense".
I also think that engineers would typically be the ones who "work with" this equipment and I've never met and engineer w/out higher education.
Just saying....
There are a lot of college educated people who couldn't pour sand out of a boot with the directions on the heel. Sorry Sandy but you were way off base on that one.
Just because something works in theory does not mean it will work in practice and a lot of college educated people, engineers, don't realize that.
Ah, yes.
The age-old "yepperoo, ah've gots more common sense in mah lil' finger than that collidge-eddycated maroon's got in his whole durn body" saw.
Has nothing to do with specialized learning. Has to do with intuitive problem-solving.
Bet them there non collidge-eddicated folks we all know and love could have created the technology to get us to the moon, right?
Sure, just a lil' commin sents an' some bailin' wire and some chewin' gum is all it woulda took; no collidge eddication needed, right?
We should burn all them books 'cuz they ain't got no prattical stuff in 'em, right?
An' 'em medicull books, too. They ain't got nuttin' we need ta save lives, 'cuz we gots tea bags 'an ginger root, right?
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 07, 2010, 07:56:28 AM
Thanks FTW :thumbsup:
I've never met and engineer w/out higher education.
Just saying....
And you won't, it's the college educated good old boy club. Just like Harvard and Yale's good old boy club in Washington in our government.
It's because college boys hire college boys. There is a gigantic amount of inventors, small business men and women who are self taught engineers and probably created as much to our country as the college educated engineers.
If I own an business and I was hiring someone, they probably could take their degrees and hang it in their ass. I would go for experience and attitude and the ability to do the job. I seen Ford hire an Industrail arts teacher to be an engineer and one man who had a major in animal husbandry hired as an engineer. He did to Ford what he was trained to do with animals.
I guess it goes w/out saying, but I disagree with both Troll and "me".
"A lot", me, really? :rolleyes: That's prejudice speaking and nothing else. You don't mention the inept uneducated people.
Troll, while I think it could be a mistake to hire simply based on a college education, unless it's an intern program of some sort, there are specialized degrees which would make someone a quality candiate.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 08:43:10 AM
Ah, yes.
The age-old "yepperoo, ah've gots more common sense in mah lil' finger than that collidge-eddycated maroon's got in his whole durn body" saw.
Has nothing to do with specialized learning. Has to do with intuitive problem-solving.
Bet them there non collidge-eddicated folks we all know and love could have created the technology to get us to the moon, right?
Sure, just a lil' commin sents an' some bailin' wire and some chewin' gum is all it woulda took; no collidge eddication needed, right?
We should burn all them books 'cuz they ain't got no prattical stuff in 'em, right?
An' 'em medicull books, too. They ain't got nuttin' we need ta save lives, 'cuz we gots tea bags 'an ginger root, right?
Hey, old man your college education is showing and your attitude towards the poor dumbass uneducated people below you. How did you survive being around all of uneducated dumbasses. Life can be so cruel.
I bet you hardly learn anything in college that really prepared for the job you ended up with. Your learned your skill and expertness on the job and the people who taught you your skill on that job. But your self importance and you ability to look down on people less than you, that was self taught.
Your not even smart enough to write like you not some kind of an uneducated hillbilly. It must be real hard for you to have to deal with poor white trash. Other than to have them serve you.
Yes Massa bossman. :bow: :bow: :bow:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 07, 2010, 09:11:43 AM
I guess it goes w/out saying, but I disagree with both Troll and "me".
"A lot", me, really? :rolleyes: That's prejudice speaking and nothing else. You don't mention the inept uneducated people.
Troll, while I think it could be a mistake to hire simply based on a college education, unless it's an intern program of some sort, there are specialized degrees which would make someone a quality candiate.
Sandy, tell me why going to college for four years, 36 months make some people think the are above people who didn't go to college. I spent four year in an apprenticeship and the college boys look down on me as being uneducated. And these punks don't know one damn thing about what we are going to work on. I have to teach him everything and he still looks down on me, "because I went to college for four years" and you didn't. WOW!
Now don't get me wrong, I have worked with some brilliant people. But I am sick and tired of this idea that if you go to college for four years you're superior. That's just plain bullshit.
I can't really speak to the elitist mindset of some individuals, but the way I see it, it's really not that different than someone who automatically assumes that someone with higher education is a dummy.
I honestly don't think that applies to you, Troll. If anything, you come across as fair. But if they talk the talk, they'd better walk the walk and I totally agree with you.
I'm just saying that it's not a good idea to make assumptions of someone's intellect ot ability based on higher education or lack thereof.
For example, Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard (MBA) Bill Gates did not graduate from Harvard.
My point was really directed at me, who made a typical blanket statement regarding people with degrees.
To my way of thinking all a degree does is document that an individual can set a goal and work consistently over a period of time to achieve it. Period.
Whether they can take a given curriculum and apply it toward everyday and/or professional life is another matter entirely, and obtaining a degree in no way assures anyone's ability to do so. Moreover, obtaining a degree within a given discipline in no way locks one into a particular career path either.
My personal opinion is that engineers can typically adopt an exclusive attitude toward the task and the hiring process. (Especially if they are from Purdue). It does not make them right, but in their own minds they are never wrong either, and that is the problem.
Some of the best engineers I have ever had the pleasure of working with, knew from experience that their best resource toward the development of an engineered solution for any problem encountered, was the people in the trenches working in the impacted area(s) each and every day. And they drank from that well deeply and regularly. I don't suppose this oil spill situation is any different in that regard. . .
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 07, 2010, 10:43:48 AM
I can't really speak to the elitist mindset of some individuals, but the way I see it, it's really not that different than someone who automatically assumes that someone with higher education is a dummy.
I honestly don't think that applies to you, Troll. If anything, you come across as fair. But if they talk the talk, they'd better walk the walk and I totally agree with you.
I'm just saying that it's not a good idea to make assumptions of someone's intellect ot ability based on higher education or lack thereof.
For example, Bush graduated from Yale and Harvard (MBA) Bill Gates did not graduate from Harvard.
My point was really directed at me, who made a typical blanket statement regarding people with degrees.
That was not a blanket statement that was a statement made regarding this situation. You read way more into the statement than was intended and started sniping instantly. I, like Troll, have known this to happen more than once and it frustrates those of us who have seen it happen more than once to people we know or experienced it first hand. To further the frustration I have also known the engineer to then take the idea from the worker and use it as though it were their own and take all the credit.
There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity.
There's NO shame in ignorance. We're all ignorant on some subject or the other, however, I think the key here is the ability to learn. Regardless of higher education or not, it's the ability and willingness to learn something new which makes the difference.
Stupid can't be fixed.
I believe a person with a degree indicates the ability to learn, but it's still up to the individual as to if they're willing or not. The fact that someone doesn't have a degree doesn't mean that they can't learn, but willingness is still a key factor in the ability to.
Stupid people generally can't or are unwilling to try.
No "me", I didn't read too much into your comment. Your contempt for those considered educated is clear.
It is not a contempt for higher education I have but the attitude of some who have the education that I find offensive.
Believe it or not, I understand, but in reverse. I feel contempt for those who have the ability and are without the willingness to learn.
This isn't directed at you, but more-or-less piggybacking on FTW's comment. Those are the type of people who are too lazy to imrpove their minds, but yet have plenty of energy to complain about those who did, as if learning and growing is a negative thing.
Sorry, I got us off topic.
Back to "me's" original comment.
I hope that BP is considering suggestions from all sources, because everything they've tried so far isn't working.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 07, 2010, 01:49:45 PM
Believe it or not, I understand, but in reverse. I feel contempt for those who have the ability and are without the willingness to learn.
This isn't directed at you, but more-or-less piggybacking on FTW's comment. Those are the type of people who are too lazy to imrpove their minds, but yet have plenty of energy to complain about those who did, as if learning and growing is a negative thing.
Some people do not care to learn something just because they have the ability because that may not be what they want have a desire to learn and you can't fault them for that. Why go to college for something you don't care to learn even though you might have the ability? Not all who chose not to go to college are lazy.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 07, 2010, 12:37:28 PM
To my way of thinking all a degree does is document that an individual can set a goal and work consistently over a period of time to achieve it. Period.
Whether they can take a given curriculum and apply it toward everyday and/or professional life is another matter entirely, and obtaining a degree in no way assures anyone's ability to do so. Moreover, obtaining a degree within a given discipline in no way locks one into a particular career path either.
My personal opinion is that engineers can typically adopt an exclusive attitude toward the task and the hiring process. (Especially if they are from Purdue). It does not make them right, but in their own minds they are never wrong either, and that is the problem.
Some of the best engineers I have ever had the pleasure of working with, knew from experience that their best resource toward the development of an engineered solution for any problem encountered, was the people in the trenches working in the impacted area(s) each and every day. And they drank from that well deeply and regularly. I don't suppose this oil spill situation is any different in that regard. . .
Palehorse, you layed it pretty damn good. I have work with some excellent engineers. One that really stood out was from Ford World Headquarters, he was super and we worked like a team for weeks.
But let me tell you about one engineer from Purdue. I worked in the Rehab Crib, we took machines off the floor that had been running 24 hours a day for years. We would tear these machines down to their base and build it back better than new, fixing the builtin problems when the machine was built.
We will call him Jim. Jim graduated for Purdue and had been working as a school maintainace man for a year before he got on at Ford. In his own mind he was a genius.
Well, one day he brings me three valve for to me to install on three electronic welders. He told me where to install them. I told him they wouldn't work that way and explained in detail way they wouldn't work. I told him I didn't want to install them. Well, the told me he thought they would and gave me a direct order to install them, because he was the boss on the Job.
Well, it took me all day to do the job. Since I knew they wouldn't work, I fixed them so all I had to do was take six couplings apart and then I could put the old stuff back in place.
On the way out of work I passed him and he said, I see that you got the valve in and they are working. See you tomorrow. The next morning when I walk in, he's standing next to my tool box doing a little jig. I said they didn't work did they. He said hell no, we almost burn up a half a million dollars worth of welders. I said, well what are we going to do. He said first of all you're going to put them back the way the were.
I said no I not, not with out an apology. I'm not going to give you a damn apology. Yes your are, or I'm going to get your boss, the plant engineer and show him what you made me do, after I told you they wouldn't work. He sorta had a sick look on his face and putting his head on my shoulder said, I'm sorry, can't we just get along.
I said, god damn it Jim you know I don't like to do something wrong let alone do it twice, this is going to take me all day to fix your mess. Well, I went down took loose six couplings and put it back the way it was. Then going a little malicious disobedience, I hid out the rest of the day. As I was getting ready to go home, he came back and said I see you got the machines running, good job. I said, is production happy, he said yes, I said are you happy, he said yes. I said good, I'm happy too. In my mind I said, chalk one up for the dumb skill tradesman.
Jim and I work off and on for five more years and we got along really good, we talk over every job and he never gave me a DIRECT ORDER again. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on June 07, 2010, 09:12:28 AM
Hey, old man your college education is showing and your attitude towards the poor dumbass uneducated people below you. How did you survive being around all of uneducated dumbasses. Life can be so cruel.
I bet you hardly learn anything in college that really prepared for the job you ended up with. Your learned your skill and expertness on the job and the people who taught you your skill on that job. But your self importance and you ability to look down on people less than you, that was self taught.
Your not even smart enough to write like you not some kind of an uneducated hillbilly. It must be real hard for you to have to deal with poor white trash. Other than to have them serve you.
Yes Massa bossman. :bow: :bow: :bow:
You have the exact same problem you ascribe to others, only from the other side. You think that everyone with a college education is an overeducated idiot. You obviously did not understand the sarcasm in my post, because you are so sure that no one with a degree understands anyone unless some good ol' boy with some practical knowledge takes the poor sap by the hand and leads them out of the wilderness. That's just another of your crass assumptions that isn't true.
You didn't respond to the part of my post about the space program and.......
And acting like the "Yes Massa bossman" crap is a huge assumption of what I actually think. I came from a working-class background. I won't bore you with a list of the jobs I held, but suffice it to say that they weren't the kind reserved for a "silver spoon in the mouth" child.
What I am tired of is the over-simplification and stereotyping of human beings. You jumped right on me because of my use of vocabulary, which is as normal to me as the way you talk. You are so damn sensitive that you only saw in my post the use of another style of language (which I grew up with, by the way) and you couldn't see past it to the deeper meaning, which is NOT making fun of anyone, but IS making fun of a way of thought -- STEREOTYPING.
I am fairly sure this post won't mean squat to you, because you have most of your attitudes cut in stone, but I had to give it a shot anyway.
me, "why" indeed?
First of all, college is not the only method of learning or becoming educated. I know people whose intellect can only be admired who've never been to college.
Of course people tend to learn about what interests them, but can't that also be occupational?
Either you're missing my point or you have a misconception about education that it's all books, theory and boring. You're totally disregarding trade/technical schools, internships, practicums and apprenticeships.
As for learning in general...there's not a topic under the sun that someone can't become an expert in.. So basically, anything anyone wants to learn about is out there. Why not? Why not become more knowledgable?
Be it education (in some form) for work/career or education for fun, the motivation really doesn't matter, but it sure as hell shows.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 07, 2010, 04:04:13 PM
me, "why" indeed?
First of all, college is not the only method of learning or becoming educated. I know people whose intellect can only be admired who've never been to college.
Of course people tend to learn about what interests them, but can't that also be occupational?
Either you're missing my point or you have a misconception about education that it's all books, theory and boring. You're totally disregarding trade/technical schools, internships, practicums and apprenticeships.
As for learning in general...there's not a topic under the sun that someone can't become an expert in.. So basically, anything anyone wants to learn about is out there. Why not? Why not become more knowledgable?
Be it education (in some form) for work/career or education for fun, the motivation really doesn't matter, but it sure as hell shows.
What happened here is I made a comment about something that I've known to happen wondering if it might be happening in this particular situation. It was not meant to include all college educated people or to say that some of them didn't also have common sense. I thought your comment meant the people who do that not want to learn from those who had actual OJT in a given field but preferred instead to go with their idea because "it works on paper" and they spent however many years in college learning how to design machinery so they figure they know how to design something to fix it even though what they design may not be practical in reality. Look back through the thread and there are those on here who have mentioned problems they might run into when certain things were going to be tried and sure enough the problems came up and I'm sure no one here has even been on an oil rig much less worked on one. They just knew based on what they had read or "learned" about from other life experiences. Formal education is not the only way to learn it's just the only accepted way.
"Formal education is not the only way to learn it's just the only accepted way"
I'll have to throw the BS flag on that one.
My grandson has an extremely responsible and highly technical job evaluating and installing very expensive electronic equipment.
He never went to "college," nor did any of the other workers in his company, although they did obtain two-year tech school degrees to learn the theory.
This snobbery being exhibited cuts both ways. You do what you must to advance in your chosen career; if it means formal education, then accept the challenge; if it means accumulating practical knowledge in your chosen career, by all means pursue it; however, it does NOT give one a license to stereotype someone who chooses a different path.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 03:59:20 PM
You have the exact same problem you ascribe to others, only from the other side. You think that everyone with a college education is an overeducated idiot. You obviously did not understand the sarcasm in my post, because you are so sure that no one with a degree understands anyone unless some good ol' boy with some practical knowledge takes the poor sap by the hand and leads them out of the wilderness. That's just another of your crass assumptions that isn't true.
You didn't respond to the part of my post about the space program and.......
And acting like the "Yes Massa bossman" crap is a huge assumption of what I actually think. I came from a working-class background. I won't bore you with a list of the jobs I held, but suffice it to say that they weren't the kind reserved for a "silver spoon in the mouth" child.
What I am tired of is the over-simplification and stereotyping of human beings. You jumped right on me because of my use of vocabulary, which is as normal to me as the way you talk. You are so damn sensitive that you only saw in my post the use of another style of language (which I grew up with, by the way) and you couldn't see past it to the deeper meaning, which is NOT making fun of anyone, but IS making fun of a way of thought -- STEREOTYPING.
I am fairly sure this post won't mean squat to you, because you have most of your attitudes cut in stone, but I had to give it a shot anyway.
FTW, I may have a attitude when it comes to college educated authoritarians. Ford had a uncanny way of hiring them and I had the luck to get stuck with them.
Going in day after day working working for the educated assholes knowing that it would be at least 6 months before you could move to a new area and get away from the dictatorial bastard. You build up a hate. Believe me when I say there are three of these asshole sonuvabitches I absolutely hate. I was an apprentice under this bastard who gave me poor grades which were a lie, I had no power and he knew it. He was hated so much so much by so many, someone shot out his picture windows while he was in bed. Also so one shot his back window out of his coming to work in the dark, one early morning.
Just like you said to me in you first post months ago, where you said, poor you, I feel so sorry for you, does that make you feel better. Well, a thought came through my mind, oh great, another asshole. I watch you slip in a deliver a ass cutting to someone then disappear. Like on a post to you from me, which you said I was like some small child trying to get on your better side. I watch the big vocabulary and your use of the King's English and I knew, we got a college educated person.
You say something about your question on the space program, how if it wasn't for the college educated people we would nave never got to the moon. True. We only had college educated people working on it. I bet you one thing, they didn't get anywhere the education in college in 36 months as they got in the first 6 months on the job training. Where did Einstein get his education on the theory of black holes, time, space and the universe in college? Hell no, he wrote the damn book on it. He was one in a billion, who comes out of nowhere and has that big wonderful intelligent brain.
But what really get me is the way you wrote you post. The vocabulary and the misspelled words and you say it normal for you. Give me a break.
Sir, I may have an attitude, but so do you. I wish we could be friendly, but I don't think you could be friend with someone who doesn't have a college education and who isn't family.
The ball is in your court. What will be, will be. Have a good day. :salute: :tiphat: The Troll.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 05:16:32 PM
"Formal education is not the only way to learn it's just the only accepted way"
I'll have to throw the BS flag on that one.
My grandson has an extremely responsible and highly technical job evaluating and installing very expensive electronic equipment.
He never went to "college," nor did any of the other workers in his company, although they did obtain two-year tech school degrees to learn the theory.
This snobbery being exhibited cuts both ways. You do what you must to advance in your chosen career; if it means formal education, then accept the challenge; if it means accumulating practical knowledge in your chosen career, by all means pursue it; however, it does NOT give one a license to stereotype someone who chooses a different path.
Well why don't ya just hang me for makin' an observation and a comment on whats going on.....Sheesh....
I was not stereotyping And as far as the BS flag goes if you son had been doing the exact same thing and been just as good at it and went to that company and said he had only practical experience but no training I don't care how good he was he wouldn't have the job until he went to a trade school and learned it through formal training.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 05:16:32 PM
You do what you must to advance in your chosen career; if it means formal education, then accept the challenge; if it means accumulating practical knowledge in your chosen career, by all means pursue it; however, it does NOT give one a license to stereotype someone who chooses a different path.
Damned well told, FTW. The first requirement is
passion for the field you choose. Once you have that, you will do whatever it takes to gain more understanding and proficiency. Those who denigrate the college-educated must have run across some folks who took the path of least resistance. That is, everyone in their family has a degree of some kind, so they got one too. I'm not immune. My first degree was in "theatre" (note obnoxious esoteric spelling.) But somewhere in my misspent youth I discovered the joy of learning. Today, my profession is employment law, but my passion is for quantum physics. I'm afraid proficiency in neither of those can be acquired "on the job." So my own prejudice is against those who believe nothing of value can be gained by focused study.
And the paranoid insults of those who have not discovered the fun of stretching the limits of the human mind are hilarious.
Quote from: me on June 07, 2010, 05:00:04 PM
What happened here is I made a comment about something that I've known to happen wondering if it might be happening in this particular situation. It was not meant to include all college educated people or to say that some of them didn't also have common sense. I thought your comment meant the people who do that not want to learn from those who had actual OJT in a given field but preferred instead to go with their idea because "it works on paper" and they spent however many years in college learning how to design machinery so they figure they know how to design something to fix it even though what they design may not be practical in reality. Look back through the thread and there are those on here who have mentioned problems they might run into when certain things were going to be tried and sure enough the problems came up and I'm sure no one here has even been on an oil rig much less worked on one. They just knew based on what they had read or "learned" about from other life experiences. Formal education is not the only way to learn it's just the only accepted way.
Quote from: me on June 07, 2010, 05:00:04 PM
What happened here is I made a comment about something that I've known to happen wondering if it might be happening in this particular situation. It was not meant to include all college educated people or to say that some of them didn't also have common sense. I thought your comment meant the people who do that not want to learn from those who had actual OJT in a given field but preferred instead to go with their idea because "it works on paper" and they spent however many years in college learning how to design machinery so they figure they know how to design something to fix it even though what they design may not be practical in reality. Look back through the thread and there are those on here who have mentioned problems they might run into when certain things were going to be tried and sure enough the problems came up and I'm sure no one here has even been on an oil rig much less worked on one. They just knew based on what they had read or "learned" about from other life experiences. Formal education is not the only way to learn it's just the only accepted way.
"ME" :sweetheart: this is not an asscutting or a insult, but it for me, the Troll. Would you please put some paragraphs in your posts. After I read 4 or 5 lines my bifocals fog over and my eye's cross and I loose my place. Please with with honey :bee: and spice.
The Troll :kiss: :love: I had better stop before I :puke:
Quote from: The Troll on June 07, 2010, 07:08:37 PM
"ME" :sweetheart: this is not an asscutting or a insult, but it for me, the Troll. Would you please put some paragraphs in your posts. After I read 4 or 5 lines my bifocals fog over and my eye's cross and I loose my place. Please with with honey :bee: and spice.
The Troll :kiss: :love: I had better stop before I :puke:
Sorry Troll. I do know the feeling though so I completely understand. I'll try to remember to double space.
:spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 07, 2010, 07:17:39 PM
:spooked:
Hey, it's only temporary...We'll be back to disagreeing before ya know it......
See Troll, I told ya we were gonna have to quit agreein' on stuff or people would talk..... ;D
♪ no phone, no pool, no pets. I aint got no cigarettes!♫
Which could lead to mindless violence.
Quote from: LOsborne on June 07, 2010, 07:20:34 PM
♪ no phone, no pool, no pets. I aint got no cigarettes!♫
Which could lead to mindless violence.
:icon_twisted:
Quote from: LOsborne on June 07, 2010, 07:22:09 PM
I take it, you're in?
Will there be leather? :icon_twisted:
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Quote from: Palehorse on June 07, 2010, 07:23:24 PM
Will there be leather? :icon_twisted:
Oh yeah. And recreational pharmaceuticals!
Quote from: LOsborne on June 07, 2010, 07:32:05 PM
Oh yeah. And recreational pharmaceuticals!
You mean like Coke and asprin????? :biggrin:
"Sir, I may have an attitude, but so do you. I wish we could be friendly, but I don't think you could be friend with someone who doesn't have a college education and who isn't family."
Another gross assumption. Fact is, most of my social life is spent with people who do NOT have college educations, and few who have any training beyond high school. Most of my work colleagues are college educated.
I spend my time off with two maintenance men, a welder, a glass maker, a mechanic who owns some properties, and a contractor who builds homes and does remodeling (a former boss).
You should learn to listen better and talk less. Name calling and jumping to conclusions won't help. But then you probably don't care about that, either, as long as you get to bray.
"But what really get me is the way you wrote you post. The vocabulary and the misspelled words and you say it normal for you. Give me a break"
Nope. Not what I said. That spelling was satire, but not too far away from the speech patterns in the neighborhood where I grew up (of course, you won't believe that, because it does not fit your stereotype).
Reread it with an eye to the satire involved.
Maybe you'll see the point I was actually making, instead of the one you're trying to clothe me in.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 07:36:35 PM"Sir, I may have an attitude, but so do you. I wish we could be friendly, but I don't think you could be friend with someone who doesn't have a college education and who isn't family." Another gross assumption. Fact is, most of my social life is spent with people who do NOT have college educations, and few who have any training beyond high school. Most of my work colleagues are college educated. I spend my time off with two maintenance men, a welder, a glass maker, a mechanic who owns some properties, and a contractor who builds homes and does remodeling (a former boss). You should learn to listen better and talk less. Name calling and jumping to conclusions won't help. But then you probably don't care about that, either, as long as you get to bray.
See no quarter given and no quarter taken, have it your way. Since you don't talk much, there isn't much to hear from you to regurgitate on :puke: Have a nice day. :sweetheart:
"he was he wouldn't have the job until he went to a trade school and learned it through formal training."
Wrong again.
Got the job first. Went to school to learn the trade.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 07:43:30 PM
"But what really get me is the way you wrote you post. The vocabulary and the misspelled words and you say it normal for you. Give me a break"
Nope. Not what I said. That spelling was satire, but not too far away from the speech patterns in the neighborhood where I grew up (of course, you won't believe that, because it does not fit your stereotype).
Reread it with an eye to the satire involved.
Maybe you'll see the point I was actually making, instead of the one you're trying to clothe me in.
I can :eye: see your a wordsmith beyond the master rating of expert.
Quote from: The Troll on June 07, 2010, 07:44:44 PM
See no quarter given and no quarter taken, have it your way. Since you don't talk much, there isn't much to hear from you to regurgitate on :puke: Have a nice day. :sweetheart:
What kind of a response was that? I point out that you made several grossly inaccurate assumptions, and you just give a one-liner and puke.
You see, you really don't want to engage, you want to talk about your vast, or maybe half-vast life experience so you can prove how much smarter you were than everyone else and how you got over on those poor, stupid engineers, and how you accumulated all these toys, etc.
That's OK.
But, if you learned to listen (read between the lines a little) you might discover a few people on this forum who would seriously surprise you with where they've been and what they have accomplished. Congratulations for your accomplishments.
"I spend my time off with two maintenance men, a welder, a glass maker, a mechanic who owns some properties, and a contractor who builds homes and does remodeling (a former boss)."
One of my down-time passions is poker. These are the guys who sit at the same table with me on a regular basis.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 07:48:04 PM
"he was he wouldn't have the job until he went to a trade school and learned it through formal training."
Wrong again.
Got the job first. Went to school to learn the trade.
What was the question, I sure don't know what you answer meant.
Another poster, "me," made the comment that my grandson would not have been hired had he not gone to a trade school first.
I was responding to her assumption. My grandson got the job first, then went to school to increase his knowledge.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 07:55:02 PM
What kind of a response was that? I point out that you made several grossly inaccurate assumptions, and you just give a one-liner and puke.
See the bully coming out of you. Bully, bully, bully, bluff, bluff. :blah: :blah: :blah: The answer I gave you made as much sense as of the baloney and bullshit you just gave me. Why don't you just cut the over blown bullshit. And Black Jack is my game. OK.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 08:02:13 PM
Another poster, "me," made the comment that my grandson would not have been hired had he not gone to a trade school first.
I was responding to her assumption. My grandson got the job first, then went to school to increase his knowledge.
He went to work, got a trade so he could make more money and more security. I know, I know, I know. I went to work at Ford, then I got an apprenticeship, then I made more money and I have more security. I did the same damn thing and I am proud just like your son. OK.
"Bully"?
Nah. Once in a while, though, I get tired of people assuming crap that does not apply. You made several assumptions about me, and I took the time and made the effort to explain exactly where you were wrong. You don't like to be shown where you are wrong, so you jump up and become very offensive; accusing me of bullying and bluffing.
Relax. Have a beer or five and settle down to some quiet contemplation.
It'll soothe your soul.
Quote from: The Troll on June 07, 2010, 08:11:47 PM
He went to work, got a trade so he could make more money and more security. I know, I know, I know. I went to work at Ford, then I got an apprenticeship, then I made more money and I have more security. I did the same damn thing and I am proud just like your son. OK.
Lots of members of my family do not have college educations. Doesn't make them any more or less intelligent, just speaks to the choices they made for their lives.
The "overblown bullshit" is the way I speak and write. I've lived and worked in that environment for over 40 years, and it is how I express myself. Not trying to create a vocabulary to impress anyone. Went past that stage of my life long, long ago.
What I'm doing now is what's important to me. The research might help.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 07, 2010, 08:18:43 PM
Lots of members of my family do not have college educations. Doesn't make them any more or less intelligent, just speaks to the choices they made for their lives.
The "overblown bullshit" is the way I speak and write. I've lived and worked in that environment for over 40 years, and it is how I express myself.
Well join the club, so did I. Worked with men only until the last few years and they brought in a female pipefitter apprentice, she made a half ass pipefitter. She didn't climb and she didn't lift anything heavy and see alway ask for help. Also she had the cleanest nails of the pipefitters.
Work hard until I got into the rehab crib then all I have to do was make right and excellent. No spit, bailing wire and Putty. Or can you get to work until the next shift. Sound like you know the story. It to bad your so sensitive too.
Drill baby, drill!
Spill baby, spill!
Kill baby, kill!
And the source of all the relaxed controls on the oil industry was..................
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 08, 2010, 01:58:54 PM
And the source of all the relaxed controls on the oil industry was..................
Why the Obama administration of course! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Palehorse on June 08, 2010, 02:02:51 PM
Why the Obama administration of course! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Shew.
Sure am glad that you included that alert.
Shoulda used that a few times. Didn't register on some. :smile:
Seen on the news earlier where BP released a high resolution photos of the oil leak finally and it may be worse than it looks in the others. Haven't dug around yet to see if I can find any photo's on the web though. It is a much more clear picture though.
Quote from: me on June 08, 2010, 07:39:16 PM
Seen on the news earlier where BP released a high resolution photos of the oil leak finally and it may be worse than it looks in the others. Haven't dug around yet to see if I can find any photo's on the web though. It is a much more clear picture though.
Forget it for now, the media thinks that the well casing has blown out below the sea bed and it is running underground through the seam in the rocks and coming out in the water some miles away. Doom Day Award for BP. BP :no1: :sarcasm:
Quote from: The Troll on June 08, 2010, 10:40:12 PM
Forget it for now, the media thinks that the well casing has blown out below the sea bed and it is running underground through the seam in the rocks and coming out in the water some miles away. Doom Day Award for BP. BP :no1: :sarcasm:
Murphy's law definitely seems to be rearing it's ugly head here. :mad:
Quote from: The Troll on June 08, 2010, 10:40:12 PM
Forget it for now, the media thinks that the well casing has blown out below the sea bed and it is running underground through the seam in the rocks and coming out in the water some miles away. Doom Day Award for BP. BP :no1: :sarcasm:
I have not seen or heard that yet. . . but it would not be surprising if it turns out to be the case. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 09, 2010, 03:50:50 AM
I have not seen or heard that yet. . . but it would not be surprising if it turns out to be the case. . .
They have a picture from space and you can see it. Not as bad, yet, but it sure it there.
Quote from: me on June 07, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
You mean like Coke and asprin????? :biggrin:
Going over past post I came across this. Most likely you have tried :koolaid: and Buffrin for a Teabag high. :biggrin:
Oil On The Water (Smoke on the water)
The oil came down the Gulf Shore,
From the BP oil rig drill lines.
To make records with an oil rig,
They didn't have much time
BP and Transocean,
Were at the best place around
But some jackass and his short cuts,
Burned the rig to the ground
Oil on the water, and tar balls, birds can't fly.
They burned down the Horizon,
It died with an awful sound
Tony Hayward was running off at the mouth,
Pulling lies out the ground
When it all is over
They'll have to find another place
But earth's time is running out
It seems they'll kill the human race
Oil on the water and tar balls, birds can't fly.
They ended up polluting the nations shores,
Leaving our waters empty, cold, and bare
But with the drill baby, drill thing just outside
They'll spend their money there
With a few big lies and political sway
They'll make a place to sweat
No matter what they get out of this
I know we'll never forget
Oil on the water and tar balls, birds can't fly.
Watch TV of the oil spill this evening, what a mess and disaster. Watch SCUBA diver who went out about 35 miles. Putting on a AZMAT suit he went and took a look. He said that the oil streamed down in strings to 25 to 30 feet. Below 40 feet is was black with no light. He said he didn't see how the fish were going to survive.
It took him over an hour to clean the oil off his body after the dive. Who put the BS in the BP. They did.
Old saying, Is there no help for the widows son? Is there no help for man kind?
This is very well said, and I whole heartedly concur... ;)
President Obama's Mishandling Of The Gulf Oil Spill (http://www.huckpac.com/?Fuseaction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=3113)
by Mike Huckabee
In politics, 2 things matter - perception and effective policy. President Obama has failed in both.
The Administration claimed to be "on top of this since day one," but the reality is that the President didn't personally address the issue for many days until the public outcry was too loud to ignore.
While the President has had plenty of time in the last 50 days to play golf, host glitzy celebrity events at the White House and go on vacation - he's only managed a few self-serving photo-op stops in the Gulf.
The President blasts the BP CEO, but hasn't even spoken to him - he delivers blustery comments about "kicking someone's a**" - while trying to cover his own his own rear.
He has rebuffed efforts and ideas by the local governors and by private sector entities. Instead, the President's unwillingness to lead or get out of the way has cost us dearly.
In times of crisis, leaders lead and politicians make speeches. President Obama has made a lot of speeches.
What in hell are your crying now about Henry. Your got your head so far up your ass you will never get it out and be mentally fit. Your :wacko:
Aren't you the one who want big government to say out of corporations business. Now you're telling great big lies about Obama playing golf every day. YOUR ARE ONE HELL OF A LIAR.
I know that you being one hell of a damn liar on anything about Obama, tell me liarer JUST WHAT WHAT WOULD DO "YOU" YES (YOU) DO ABOUT THIS DAMN BP OIL SPILL HENRY? And don't give me all of the bullshit about you being unable to explain in writting about it.
It makes me sick and discussed about you snivelling, crying and bitching Republicans, about government should be out of businesses, business. And when you get your ass or the country get into trouble with a out of control corporation. You lying Republicans cry "Big government save our ass and hurry as fast as you can.
Henry you and your Republicans are :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: :bsflag: and chickenshit.
where did I lie?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2010, 12:57:42 PM
This is very well said, and I whole heartedly concur... ;)
President Obama's Mishandling Of The Gulf Oil Spill (http://www.huckpac.com/?Fuseaction=Blogs.View&Blog_id=3113)
by Mike Huckabee
. . .
More puffery from the Souther Baptist Minister and Faux News mouth-piece. . . Texas Tea anyone? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 10, 2010, 02:37:33 PM
More puffery from the Souther Baptist Minister and Faux News mouth-piece. . . Texas Tea anyone? :rolleyes:
Well, it is that "puffery" that MOST Americans tend to believe in.....THAT is why Obama is now at a 44% approval rating (a new low)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2010, 02:50:40 PM
Well, it is that "puffery" that MOST Americans tend to believe in.....THAT is why Obama is now at a 44% approval rating (a new low)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
Woah. . . A poll! Nevermind, just drill baby, drill!
Speaking of polls, I saw where less than 1/3 of Americans polled trust the tea party. . . .
Asked which party they trust to cope with the country's main problems, voters opted for the Democrats by a 44-32 margin, with nearly 20 percent saying they trust neither party.
Sixty percent of those surveyed voiced dissatisfaction with policies offered by Republicans in Congress, while only 38 percent had favorable opinions.
If the election were held today, the poll found, 47 percent would vote for Democratic candidates and 44 percent for Republicans. http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/210079.asp (http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/archives/210079.asp)
BP's Egregious willful OSHA violations - 760 between June 2007 through 2010
Rest of the industry - 1 for the same period!
November.. ;) ..THAT will tell us the truth....IF demcrats stay in control, then I would agree with your "poll"...
but, IF, and when the Repubs regain control, then I would say that Obama screwed the pooch....and the Tea Parties was exactly what we said it was, which is Americans tired of what is now currently in Washington...and it's policies.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 10, 2010, 03:06:01 PM
BP's Egregious willful OSHA violations - 760 between June 2007 through 2010
Rest of the industry - 1 for the same period!
well wtf?............IF they had that many violations, then WHO the F wasn't doing their job?............agian, tons of gov beuacracy and what good did it do?..........
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2010, 03:11:39 PM
well wtf?............IF they had that many violations, then WHO the F wasn't doing their job?............agian, tons of gov beuacracy and what good did it do?..........
The better question is WHY they weren't doing their jobs! :yes:
And the answer to that has been further enabled by the SCOTUS decision granting "individual" rights to corporations. The money, the gifts, the drugs, the parties, the tickets to events; all of that purchases a big ol rubber stamp with which to bypass the remediation process. . . :mad:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2010, 02:31:14 PM
where did I lie?
Tell me about your lying about the golf, he hasn't the time to play golf every day. Ain't you got the the ball and be a man and tell us HOW YOU WOULD TAKE CARE OF BP'S OIL STILL.
Just one time have the balls and be a man like you tell Palehorse, tell us about the golf and your handling of the oil spill. HENRY. :preach:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 10, 2010, 03:13:49 PM
The better question is WHY they weren't doing their jobs! :yes:
it sounds like gov corruption to me....if they are being paid off, then they need to go to jail.....this is NOT just a dem / repub problem ... it is a Washington problem....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2010, 03:18:25 PM
it sounds like gov corruption to me....if they are being paid off, then they need to go to jail.....this is NOT just a dem / repub problem ... it is a Washington problem....
Agreed. And a long standing one at that! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2010, 03:18:25 PM
it sounds like gov corruption to me....if they are being paid off, then they need to go to jail.....this is NOT just a dem / repub problem ... it is a Washington problem....
It's the Republican controlled government, George W.'s problem and we all are going to have to pay for the sonuvabitch's fraud and corruption.
Quote from: The Troll on June 10, 2010, 03:23:45 PM
It's the Republican controlled government, George W.'s problem and we all are going to have to pay for the sonuvabitch's fraud and corruption.
I'm pretty sure this problem will not be fixed until the republicans get back in charge.....there is too much corruption going on right now with Pelosi and company in charge....open yer eyes troll buddy!!(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/preach.gif)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2010, 03:28:23 PM
I'm pretty sure this problem will not be fixed until the republicans get back in charge.....there is too much corruption going on right now with Pelosi and company in charge....open yer eyes troll buddy!!(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/preach.gif)
Just a crazy as the Mad Hatter, did you ever find the rabbit hole. You have had to much lead in you "koolaid: :flap: :flap: :flap: Henry.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2010, 03:28:23 PM
I'm pretty sure this problem will not be fixed until the republicans get back in charge.....there is too much corruption going on right now with Pelosi and company in charge....open yer eyes troll buddy!!(http://theunknownzone.us/smf/Smileys3/default/preach.gif)
It may very well be November before the leak is stopped and one thing is for sure; it won't get stopped because of anything a republican or democrat did. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on June 10, 2010, 03:33:04 PM
Just a crazy as the Mad Hatter, did you ever find the rabbit hole. You have had to much lead in you "koolaid: :flap: :flap: :flap: Henry.
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Quote from: Palehorse on June 10, 2010, 06:53:58 PM
It may very well be November before the leak is stopped and one thing is for sure; it won't get stopped because of anything a republican or democrat did. . . :rolleyes:
I am afraid you may be right about November. As to republicans or democrats doing anything to stop the "leak", that will only happen if whoever actually comes up with something that works proclaims himself or herself to be one or the other.
Quote from: Anne on June 10, 2010, 11:37:54 PM
I am afraid you may be right about November. As to republicans or democrats doing anything to stop the "leak", that will only happen if whoever actually comes up with something that works proclaims himself or herself to be one or the other.
Your right, The Republicans, Democrats and the government can't fix the leak. The only thing they can do is clean up the mess.. The reason why we can't fix the leak. We don't have anything to fix it with. BP lied to us and we believed them. This should never happen again.
But John Boner (Bohner) said yesterday at an news conference, that BP and the taxpayers should pay to get the problem fixed. I wonder who's pocket he's in.
Quote from: The Troll on June 11, 2010, 11:48:18 AM
Your right, The Republicans, Democrats and the government can't fix the leak. The only thing they can do is clean up the mess.. The reason why we can't fix the leak. We don't have anything to fix it with. BP lied to us and we believed them. This should never happen again.
But John Boner (Bohner) said yesterday at an news conference, that BP and the taxpayers should pay to get the problem fixed. I wonder who's pocket he's in.
Troll, you are forcing me to defend these guys.........but what LIE did BP say to us that we believed in?
Besides the fact that the problem was worse than they had led us to believe initially?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 11, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
Troll, you are forcing me to defend these guys.........but what LIE did BP say to us that we believed in?
No one's forcing you to defend them, they're a multi billion dollar corporation and can fend for themselves. . .
What lies??? Well for starters:
1. Their disaster response plan, which hypothetically was supposed to deal with an oil spill 10 times the size of the one they've been trying to control for 53 days now. . . .
2. Their statements surrounding how much was being spilled. . .
3. Their statements surrounding "paying for it"; (Why are all these shrimpers and fishermen being left high and dry?)
. . . and so on, and so on, and so on. . . .
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 11, 2010, 12:59:20 PM
Besides the fact that the problem was worse than they had led us to believe initially?
how does that change anything?.............5000 barrels or 10,000 barrels a day......would THAT have stopped this leak any faster?
I'm interested in Trolls answer....
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 01:03:31 PM
No one's forcing you to defend them, they're a multi billion dollar corporation and can fend for themselves. . .
What lies??? Well for starters:
1. Their disaster response plan, which hypothetically was supposed to deal with an oil spill 10 times the size of the one they've been trying to control for 53 days now. . . .
2. Their statements surrounding how much was being spilled. . .
3. Their statements surrounding "paying for it"; (Why are all these shrimpers and fishermen being left high and dry?)
. . . and so on, and so on, and so on. . . .
well, there has been $40 million that BP has paid so far on loss-of-income claims .... give them a chance...they have already spent $990 million on the clean-up efforts....
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/03/smallbusiness/bp_wage_claims/index.htm
keep on boycotting them and see how much they spend on this....AFTER they go bankrupt...
there will be plenty of time to go after these guys....they are not going anywhere......ALL of the world knows they are guilty.....I say, give them a chance to make it right....these guys will not survive IF, they don't make this right.....because a time will come when a real boycott will be effective....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 11, 2010, 01:18:16 PM
well, there has been $40 million that BP has paid so far on loss-of-income claims .... give them a chance...they have already spent $990 million on the clean-up efforts....
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/03/smallbusiness/bp_wage_claims/index.htm
keep on boycotting them and see how much they spend on this....AFTER they go bankrupt...
there will be plenty of time to go after these guys....they are not going anywhere......ALL of the world knows they are guilty.....I say, give them a chance to make it right....these guys will not survive IF, they don't make this right.....because a time will come when a real boycott will be effective....
Your defense of them is lame and falls upon deaf ears. They've been raping the world for decades and living very high on the hog, and now they are killing wildlife, marine life, and the environment, and you persist in defending them? Why one has to ask. . . :rolleyes:
They've had 53 days to make sure the people whose lives they have and are trampling all over are compensated for, but instead they expend millions on CYA advertisements and lies. . . I'm betting if your relatives were amongst the ones impacted by this black death you'd disown them!
A lie is a lie, Henry. You asked.
Secondly, if they give a damn about our money that they line their pockets with, then they's be wise to get this done NOW. :smile:
have you missed the part where I posted they have already spent around a billion dollars in 53 days?........
I am only defending them because of the attitude the left has against big oil.........none of the shareholders are bitching, how many americans are reaping profits because of holding BP stock?.......how many jobs has Big Oil created?.........ask the some of the folks down on the coast IF they want oil drilling to stop....we do need oil folks, that is no secret...and it HAS to be drilled.....and why does it piss democrats off when a big buisness makes a good profit?.......so does it's stock holders..how many own Goldman Sachs?.....well, they own a bunch of bp stocks....many of regular Americans are living high on the hog because of companies like BP....how many Americans are lining thier pockets with THEIR profits?
I just dont think big business is all bad..........including Oil Giants......not when you compare them to our scum assed politicians in our government....
talk about giving a damn about spending OUR money and lining their own pockets.......have you looke at washington lately?
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 01:03:31 PM
No one's forcing you to defend them, they're a multi billion dollar corporation and can fend for themselves. . .
What lies??? Well for starters:
1. Their disaster response plan, which hypothetically was supposed to deal with an oil spill 10 times the size of the one they've been trying to control for 53 days now. . . .
2. Their statements surrounding how much was being spilled. . .
3. Their statements surrounding "paying for it"; (Why are all these shrimpers and fishermen being left high and dry?)
. . . and so on, and so on, and so on. . . .
Henry I really think you don't really know how they lied. Did you see or read anything about the paper they presented the government to drill this well. No?
Well, first of all they said they could drill this well safely. They said they had a blowout preventer. They didn't tell us that, that blowout preventer had a 50% failure rate.
They said they had all of the necessary things to cleanup any spill that might happen. They said that they had ways to clean seals, walruses, otters and other sea animals. how many seal, walruses and otters do you see in the Gulf of Mexico. How about none.
All of these thing were in the papers filed to get the permit from the government to drill this well. They lied and the damn government people, the regulators didn't even read the damn thing.
If you defend BP then you're one hell of a poor American.
Quote from: The Troll on June 11, 2010, 01:54:50 PM
Henry I really think you don't really know how they lied. Did you see or read anything about the paper they presented the government to drill this well. No?
Well, first of all they said they could drill this well safely. They said they had a blowout preventer. They didn't tell us that, that blowout preventer had a 50% failure rate.
They said they had all of the necessary things to cleanup any spill that might happen. They said that they had ways to clean seals, walruses, otters and other sea animals. how many seal, walruses and otters do you see in the Gulf of Mexico. How about none.
All of these thing were in the papers filed to get the permit from the government to drill this well. They lied and the damn government people, the regulators didn't even read the damn thing.
If you defend BP then you're one hell of a poor American.
and if a democrat JUST because he is a democrat .... they YOU too are a poor American.
First of all, I have never said that BP is innocent, in any way, shape or form....they DO suck!!....THEY are responsible for this tragedy....YES...but don't act as if others are not involved, including Obama admin, Bush admin and Clinton Admin....I have already seen democrats USING this tragedy for political gain.......when democrats (along with repubs)...are guilty too.
this is above ALL politics, (or it should be)...just as 9/11 was.........we have a real problem to fix!!!.....as ph said, there should be OUTRAGE by all Americans to fix this......and quit making BP the only ones to do it........where is the Hollywood crowd?......where are the telethons to help out the fisherman.......to help out the birds, turtles and shrimp?
we need to rally and fix this............let's worry about who flips the bill later....Hell, Obama just spent a trillion dollars and people don't seem to worried about WHO is going to pay for that...
I say it's time to quit bickering and act like Amerians and go and fix this thing.
There is one thing that could be done and Bush did it after Katrina. There is a law on the books, I forget what it's called, that no foreign ships of a certain size can be in our waterway without a permit. That could be waived so the ships that have been made available by foreign countries could help take on the oil from the leak. Until that is done they can't sail in our territory.
Quote from: me on June 11, 2010, 02:13:11 PM
There is one thing that could be done and Bush did it after Katrina. There is a law on the books, I forget what it's called, that no foreign ships of a certain size can be in our waterway without a permit. That could be waived so the ships that have been made available by foreign countries could help take on the oil from the leak. Until that is done they can't sail in our territory.
Related to this, a lot of you seem to have missed the fact that of the three or four plumes of oil that have been discovered out there at least one of them, and possibly two, have been found to be NOT from the Horizon oil well; which means there is a second source out there! That source could be either
passing freighters dumping crude, or yet another well out there spewing. . .
Henry, does it really matter how much they've spent to fix it if the problem still exists? That's not impressive or special. It's what they're supposed to do. They need to be held accountable until they make this right. Call it an incentive, if you will, or tough love, but I'm boycotting and asking everyone I know to do the same.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 11, 2010, 02:27:36 PM
Henry, does it really matter how much they've spent to fix it if the problem still exists? That's not impressive or special. It's what they're supposed to do. They need to be held accountable until they make this right. Call it an incentive, if you will, or tough love, but I'm boycotting and asking everyone I know to do the same.
you are right to a point sandy, but they ARE spending money..........and it is going to take MUCH time to fix this mess............it sucks!! but why do you expect them to fix this over night when you know that is totally impossible.
boycotting them WILL only make things worse....I'm not saying we should rush out and support them either.....I am continuing my gas buying as normal....which is USUALLY marathon, but occassionaly I hit a station that has BP.....not because they are BP, but because they have a great breakfast sandwich there.....
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 02:21:16 PM
Related to this, a lot of you seem to have missed the fact that of the three or four plumes of oil that have been discovered out there at least one of them, and possibly two, have been found to be NOT from the Horizon oil well; which means there is a second source out there! That source could be either passing freighters dumping crude, or yet another well out there spewing. . .
Or it could be naturally occurring seepage. That still doesn't mean that other ships couldn't be helping pump off what is known to be coming from the rig.
Quote from: me on June 11, 2010, 02:33:57 PM
Or it could be naturally occurring seepage. That still doesn't mean that other ships couldn't be helping pump off what is known to be coming from the rig.
If it's "seepage" it is far worse than what is "normal" since the plume(s) are similar in size and quantity to the Horizon's.
Another point, just what would these ships do surrounding the plumes? (They are underwater)
Henry: I'd piss my pants before stopping at a BP to piss! They are getting ZERO of my business and will not until this is fixed.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 02:38:18 PM
If it's "seepage" it is far worse than what is "normal" since the plume(s) are similar in size and quantity to the Horizon's.
Another point, just what would these ships do surrounding the plumes? (They are underwater)
Henry: I'd piss my pants before stopping at a BP to piss! They are getting ZERO of my business and will not until this is fixed.
That's a two edged sword though PH. It isn't the fault of the employee's or the business owner and it would be putting people out of work who are trying to make ends meet. You are hurting the average citizen far more than you could ever hurt BP.
Quote from: me on June 11, 2010, 02:41:09 PM
That's a two edged sword though PH. It isn't the fault of the employee's or the business owner and it would be putting people out of work who are trying to make ends meet. You are hurting the average citizen far more than you could ever hurt BP.
I will not adjust my principles to help those who would not do so if the situation were reversed, and certainly BP is very high on that list right now. (Where was that thought process when the factories were closing all around this country?)
Moreover, the same question could be asked of the tea party!
Quote from: me on June 11, 2010, 02:41:09 PM
That's a two edged sword though PH. It isn't the fault of the employee's or the business owner and it would be putting people out of work who are trying to make ends meet. You are hurting the average citizen far more than you could ever hurt BP.
amen!
Amen
PH :biggrin:
WTF!!!! :rant:
http://www.swedishwire.com/politics/4377-sweden-helps-the-us-to-clean-up-oil-spill (http://www.swedishwire.com/politics/4377-sweden-helps-the-us-to-clean-up-oil-spill)-
WASHINGTON (AFP) -Sweden is among those countries that have offered international assistance to the United States for the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
The United States said Thursday it had received offers of aid to clean up the Gulf of Mexico oil spill from Canada and Mexico, 10 European countries, South Korea and the United Nations.
Still, the US State Department said there was no immediate need for the assistance offered but that the US Coast Guard was trying to evaluate whether there would be in the future.
"These offers include experts in various aspects of oil spill impacts, research and technical expertise, booms, chemical oil dispersants, oil pumps, skimmers, and wildlife treatment," the State Department said in a statement.
Maybe the President needs to kick his OWN ASS!!... :rant:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 11, 2010, 03:31:58 PM
WTF!!!! :rant:
http://www.swedishwire.com/politics/4377-sweden-helps-the-us-to-clean-up-oil-spill (http://www.swedishwire.com/politics/4377-sweden-helps-the-us-to-clean-up-oil-spill)-
WASHINGTON (AFP) -Sweden is among those countries that have offered international assistance to the United States for the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
The United States said Thursday it had received offers of aid to clean up the Gulf of Mexico oil spill from Canada and Mexico, 10 European countries, South Korea and the United Nations.
Still, the US State Department said there was no immediate need for the assistance offered but that the US Coast Guard was trying to evaluate whether there would be in the future.
"These offers include experts in various aspects of oil spill impacts, research and technical expertise, booms, chemical oil dispersants, oil pumps, skimmers, and wildlife treatment," the State Department said in a statement.
Maybe the President needs to kick his OWN ASS!!... :rant:
Again Hank, what are they going to do that is not already being done? Clean beaches? Really?! So screw the 21 million unemployed people in this nation and bring in foreigners? Hope they have a green card a valid visa and carry them with them at all times, lest they be arrested by Barney for being illegal!
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 04:52:02 PM
Again Hank, what are they going to do that is not already being done? Clean beaches? Really?! So screw the 21 million unemployed people in this nation and bring in foreigners? Hope they have a green card a valid visa and carry them with them at all times, lest they be arrested by Barney for being illegal!
And how much work are they going to lose if this isn't cleaned up as quickly as possible? Seems to me we should take them up on the help.
Quote from: me on June 11, 2010, 05:00:04 PM
And how much work are they going to lose if this isn't cleaned up as quickly as possible? Seems to me we should take them up on the help.
To do?????????????
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 05:02:08 PM
To do?????????????
Anything that will help from pumping the oil to cleaning or keeping it from reaching the shore.
On a side note they just said on the news they are figuring the oil coming out per day equals the EV spill every 8 days. :spooked:
This can't be cleaned up; the damage is already done. Studies on the Exxon Valdez oil spill clean up illustrated that much of what was done while attempting to mitigate the damage was ultimately more harmful to the environment than if they had simply done nothing. You can't steam or pressure wash oil out of an ecosystem without simultaneously killing millions of microorganisms crucial to its survival, microorganisms that will take decades to reestablish themselves. The fact is that the gulf has been affected for at least the duration of most of our lives, if not permanently. Spill, baby, spill!
We are one of a rare species of animal -- we defecate in our own nest.
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 11, 2010, 09:14:47 PM
We are one of a rare species of animal -- we defecate in our own nest.
:yes: Prolifically
We destroy our planet because we hate ourselves. (Just threw that out there for comment. And, for those who are inclined to assign some ulterior motive to my posts: Not designed to be an asscutter.)
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 11, 2010, 09:28:34 PM
We destroy our planet because we hate ourselves. (Just threw that out there for comment. And, for those who are inclined to assign some ulterior motive to my posts: Not designed to be an asscutter.)
I don't necessarily believe it is hatred, of ourselves or anyone else for that matter. I am more inclined to ascribe our stupidity to greed more than anything else. Our natural inclination to hoard as much of anything of value as possible and NOT to share.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 02:38:18 PM
If it's "seepage" it is far worse than what is "normal" since the plume(s) are similar in size and quantity to the Horizon's.
Another point, just what would these ships do surrounding the plumes? (They are underwater)
Henry: I'd piss my pants before stopping at a BP to piss! They are getting ZERO of my business and will not until this is fixed.
It doesn't matter to Henry, he's an equal opportunity buyer. The same type of item, one made in China and one made in the USA and the one made in China is a nickle cheaper, He'd buy the one made in China. That the "market" at work. Capitalism.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 09:43:06 PM
I don't necessarily believe it is hatred, of ourselves or anyone else for that matter. I am more inclined to ascribe our stupidity to greed more than anything else. Our natural inclination to hoard as much of anything of value as possible and NOT to share.
Fear and self-loathing on the Earth.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 09:43:06 PM
I don't necessarily believe it is hatred, of ourselves or anyone else for that matter. I am more inclined to ascribe our stupidity to greed more than anything else. Our natural inclination to hoard as much of anything of value as possible and NOT to share.
Palehorse you are 100% correct on this. The Human animal is born greedy, anything for self survival.
Not wanting to share anything with anyone except their family and very close friends. To Hell with everyone.
There is a commercial on TV where people are hanging out of their windows screaming at the top of the voices saying "It's my money and I want it now" it's so true to life. Just like others, who doesn't want to pay taxes say. "It's my money and I don't want anyone to have any of it except who I want to go to.
Greed and selfishness.
Quote from: The Troll on June 12, 2010, 09:03:17 PM
Palehorse you are 100% correct on this. The Human animal is born greedy, anything for self survival.
Not wanting to share anything with anyone except their family and very close friends. To Hell with everyone.
There is a commercial on TV where people are hanging out of their windows screaming at the top of the voices saying "It's my money and I want it now" it's so true to life. Just like others, who doesn't want to pay taxes say. "It's my money and I don't want anyone to have any of it except who I want to go to.
Greed and selfishness.
And wanting to sit on your ass and let someone else pay your way is just plain laziness.
Quote from: me on June 12, 2010, 09:09:38 PM
And wanting to sit on your ass and let someone else pay your way is just plain laziness.
Go out and TRY to find a job right now, then tell me who is lazy!
Quote from: Palehorse on June 12, 2010, 09:21:34 PM
Go out and TRY to find a job right now, then tell me who is lazy!
That wasn't what I meant and you know it. There are those who have abused the system for years and who have screamed the loudest when they thought they were going to have to go out and get a job even when things were good.
Quote from: me on June 12, 2010, 09:30:31 PM
That wasn't what I meant and you know it. There are those who have abused the system for years and who have screamed the loudest when they thought they were going to have to go out and get a job even when things were good.
There is always that someone or something abusing the system. Look and the Republicans.
But your talking about the blacks and the Mexicans. As all Republicans do. Just because some abuse the system doesn't me you treat all of the people that way.
Quote from: The Troll on June 12, 2010, 10:19:52 PM
There is always that someone or something abusing the system. Look and the Republicans.
But your talking about the blacks and the Mexicans. As all Republicans do. Just because some abuse the system doesn't me you treat all of the people that way.
No I am not talking about blacks and Mexican's there are whites that abuse it also and sometimes even worse. It is not an ethnic or skin color thing as much as you would like to turn it around to make it look like that is what I meant. I know of blacks who don't know the system who can't get any help and need it. One that comes to mind has a disabled daughter and is raising her alone and working two jobs plus odd jobs and the "system" is constantly jerking him around. I get po'ed every time I think about it.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 11, 2010, 09:43:06 PM
I don't necessarily believe it is hatred, of ourselves or anyone else for that matter. I am more inclined to ascribe our stupidity to greed more than anything else. Our natural inclination to hoard as much of anything of value as possible and NOT to share.
You just came pretty close to describing the Republican mantra; had you included, "or are too dumb to realize that we are supporting policies that are diametrically opposed to our own best interests," you'd have nailed it.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 13, 2010, 01:18:29 AM
You just came pretty close to describing the Republican mantra; had you included, "or are too dumb to realize that we are supporting policies that are diametrically opposed to our own best interests," you'd have nailed it.
:biggrin: :yes:
http://wimp.com/oilspills
Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
http://wimp.com/oilspills
Drill baby, drill - Spill baby, spill - Kill baby, kill! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: me on June 12, 2010, 09:09:38 PM
And wanting to sit on your ass and let someone else pay your way is just plain laziness.
How many people do you actually know that is on welfare that doesn't really need it. I don't know of any except some I've seen of television.
I had a sister on it. She wouldn't get rid of the bum she was married to. After she had hit the bottom and told him to hit the road. Did things turn better.
So what your are saying is a lot of bullshit. :razz: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on June 14, 2010, 07:37:00 PM
How many people do you actually know that is on welfare that doesn't really need it. I don't know of any except some I've seen of television.
I had a sister on it. She wouldn't get rid of the bum she was married to. After she had hit the bottom and told him to hit the road. Did things turn better.
So what your are saying is a lot of bullshit. :razz: :yes:
I know a lot of able bodied people who are on it and could be working. You're problem is you were stuck in that factory for however many years and that's all you know. I have worked in and dealt with the public a lot and happen to know what I'm talking about here. Not everyone who is on Welfare should be and some are working at "under the table" jobs and are bringing home more than you did at the factory per month.
Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 07:47:56 PM
I know a lot of able bodied people who are on it and could be working. You're problem is you were stuck in that factory for however many years and that's all you know. I have worked in and dealt with the public a lot and happen to know what I'm talking about here. Not everyone who is on Welfare should be and some are working at "under the table" jobs and are bringing home more than you did at the factory per month.
Why didn't you rat them out. Were some of family members. Or were you :sleeping: on the job.
Quote from: The Troll on June 14, 2010, 07:55:36 PM
Why didn't you rat them out. Were some of family members. Or were you :sleeping: on the job.
Wasn't my place to "rat them out". They had been ratted out and always manage to get out of it. Those people are professional moochers and know the system and how to get around it. Also you can can the insinuation of it being someone in my family.
STILL SPEWING! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 08:14:19 PM
Wasn't my place to "rat them out". They had been ratted out and always manage to get out of it. Those people are professional moochers and know the system and how to get around it. Also you can can the insinuation of it being someone in my family.
Well, I can see why you wouldn't want to rat out a family member, you have to live with them. :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :razz: :biggrin:
Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 02:08:35 PM
http://wimp.com/oilspills
So, let me get this straight:
While Carter was POTUS we had the exact same kind of oil rig disaster (1979) and they tried the exact same fixes over 30 years ago, with the exact same results?! And it was due to the exact same failure of a BOP and just was in shallower waters? And one of the same companies (Trans Ocean) was involved in that one as well?
So then the Shrub and his cronies go ahead and rubber stamp a permit, and do not get concerned that the exact same fixes that did not work 30 years ago, are in their disaster plan, but this time they are going to drill a mile deep? :spooked:
Yeah. . . we need deep water drilling like we need arsenic in our food stream! Damned this is more frustrating each and every day! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 14, 2010, 08:43:49 PM
So, let me get this straight:
While Carter was POTUS we had the exact same kind of oil rig disaster (1979) and they tried the exact same fixes over 30 years ago, with the exact same results?! And it was due to the exact same failure of a BOP and just was in shallower waters? And one of the same companies (Trans Ocean) was involved in that one as well?
So then the Shrub and his cronies go ahead and rubber stamp a permit, and do not get concerned that the exact same fixes that did not work 30 years ago, are in their disaster plan, but this time they are going to drill a mile deep? :spooked:
Yeah. . . we need deep water drilling like we need arsenic in our food stream! Damned this is more frustrating each and every day! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I wondered when someone was actually going to click on the link and see what I posted. Sure took long enough.
Quote from: me on June 14, 2010, 08:48:20 PM
I wondered when someone was actually going to click on the link and see what I posted. Sure took long enough.
No it did not. I clicked on it shortly after you posted it and was awaiting others to do so. Apparently they either were too lazy or just don't care about it.
This has got to be one of the best examples of human stupidity and greed I have EVER seen within my lifetime. And to think anyone would dare endorse letting ANY of these oil companies drill one more inch in deep water, given what has transpired not once, but TWICE in the Gulf, is beyond comprehension.
Until they come up with a validated plan that is PROVEN to work, they should never be allowed to deep water drill again! :mad:
I clicked it, but since it was Rachel Maddow (and I had already seen it) I figured me was confused. My sincere apologies.
Quote from: LOsborne on June 14, 2010, 09:02:33 PM
. . . I figured me was confused. My sincere apologies.
Well, in the interest of honesty and openness, I too admit to several minutes of confusion given who posted the link. . .
Last week on one of the news show on Msnbc, there were two Republican Ex-Senators with about 60 years of combined years in office.
They are now Lobbyist for the oil companies. They do not want to stop drilling in deep water for even 6 months. This oil spill was just an unforseen accident.
Can you imagine working of an oil platform in the middle of the worlds largest oil slick, drilling a new well.
bp is opening a 20 billion dollar escrow fund to compensate for damages. There will be more if it is necessary. 3rd party will administer the distribution, and a panel will be established for review of all cases that are denied.
BP is going to compensate all oil workers that have been idled by the moratorium.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 16, 2010, 02:31:59 PM
bp is opening a 20 billion dollar escrow fund to compensate for damages. There will be more if it is necessary. 3rd party will administer the distribution, and a panel will be established for review of all cases that are denied.
BP is going to compensate all oil workers that have been idled by the moratorium.
that is what they said they would do from the beginning
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 16, 2010, 02:35:25 PM
that is what they said they would do from the beginning
No, they are only doing it after the POTUS insisted it be done.
The head dog of BP just said so on live television, saying that "at the insistence of the president, we have agreed to". . .
And it will not be enough, watch and see. . .
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978306364 (http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978306364)
BP Buys 32 Oil Cleanup Machines From Kevin Costner
Quote from: Palehorse on June 16, 2010, 02:45:09 PM
No, they are only doing it after the POTUS insisted it be done.
The head dog of BP just said so on live television, saying that "at the insistence of the president, we have agreed to". . .
And it will not be enough, watch and see. . .
My mistake, I did'nt see the "moritorium" part...
I was referring to where BP said they would pay for ALL costs and all legit claims...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 16, 2010, 03:47:45 PM
My mistake, I did'nt see the "moritorium" part...
I was referring to where BP said they would pay for ALL costs and all legit claims...
The oil rig workers will be paid from a separate 100 million dollar fund.
The federal government is going to ask congress for more unemployment funding for those who will not qualify to be paid from the 100 million dollar fund. (Good luck with that one. Those bastards can't pass a simple extension for the millions that have been unable to find work).
The 20 billion now
guarantees those injured by this will be paid, and takes the process out of BP's hands and the governments too. It also relieves BP of no liability for potential lawsuits that may grow out of this.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 16, 2010, 04:15:03 PM
The 20 billion now guarantees those injured by this will be paid, and takes the process out of BP's hands and the governments too. It also relieves BP of no liability for potential lawsuits that may grow out of this.
Now, I think THIS is an excellent move or idea......
Quote from: Palehorse on June 16, 2010, 04:15:03 PM
The oil rig workers will be paid from a separate 100 million dollar fund.
The federal government is going to ask congress for more unemployment funding for those who will not qualify to be paid from the 100 million dollar fund. (Good luck with that one. Those bastards can't pass a simple extension for the millions that have been unable to find work).
The 20 billion now guarantees those injured by this will be paid, and takes the process out of BP's hands and the governments too. It also relieves BP of no liability for potential lawsuits that may grow out of this.
Palehorse, does this 20 billion mean that BP can't be sued over any damage they did.
If this true, the people of America just got screw. 20 billion dollars is no where near what this cluster f**k will cost. Tell me this is not true.
Will it pay the oil rig workers who are out of work because of the stopped drilling?
Quote from: The Troll on June 16, 2010, 04:43:50 PM
Palehorse, does this 20 billion mean that BP can't be sued over any damage they did.
If this true, the people of America just got screw. 20 billion dollars is no where near what this cluster f**k will cost. Tell me this is not true.
NO! It was clearly stated by the POTUS himself, and repeated by Robert Gibbs, that this does NOT relieve BP of its legal liabilities for damage claims and other lawsuits that may grow out of this incident, nor does it limit the industries or private individuals ability to pursue legal action upon BP, even if they receive payments from the fund.
Victims are also eligible to file claims with the oil spill disaster fund as well, with no impact upon their ability to pursue legal action on BP.
Sidebar: Once we get into the meat of this investigation and the root cause for it is determined, I would expect similar demands being placed upon Trans Ocean and Halliburton as well.
Quote from: Anne on June 16, 2010, 04:45:33 PM
Will it pay the oil rig workers who are out of work because of the stopped drilling?
BP has agreed, at the insistence of the POTUS, to set up a separate 100 million dollar fund from which the idled workers who are eligible will be paid in full during the moratorium. A request has been sent to congress for additional unemployment funding, specifically for those amongst that group who do not meet the eligibility requirements.
I have no specific knowledge surrounding what those requirements are, nor who imposed them.
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!
Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live. Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news. She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:
Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel. As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us. This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:
Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense. :yes: Just think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction. :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars. :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government 20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:
Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:
Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations. Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations. They operate law free and you see what it got us. Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America. :icon_evil: :yes:
There is more interesting information. BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations. These stations are own by private owners. They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily. They buy their gas from the local refineries. So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong. Your hurting small American business people. This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line.
The Troll :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2: :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2:
Breaking news.BP announced that this morning they installed a wedding ring around the leaking pipe & it quit putting out.
Quote from: me on June 19, 2010, 10:38:15 AM
Breaking news.BP announced that this morning they installed a wedding ring around the leaking pipe & it quit putting out.
Thanks to the Great Universe. Now we got to get the damn mess cleaned up and payed for. I wonder how many years it is going to take. I wonder how many of those great schools of Red Fish and Red Snappers and the other fish, shrimp, crabs, shell fish and the rest of the sea life they have killed. We know one thing the lawyers are going to make a big killing. The rest of us are going to have to pay big time.
The Troll :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: me on June 19, 2010, 10:38:15 AM
Breaking news.BP announced that this morning they installed a wedding ring around the leaking pipe & it quit putting out.
OK "ME" is this one of your cruel jokes and lies. I read it and since it was you, I took it for fact. I got one TV on Fox News, one on MSNBC and one on CNN and they've said nothing about capping the flow. (Wedding Ring my ass) There are devices that are called Wedding rings, you put them on and it won't come off. The only thing they have talked about is a clogged oil burning flare nozzle of one of the ships at the site of the spill. What is your source.
If this is one of your jokes on something this serious, I'll never believe anything you say again. Believe me. The Troll :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: :rant: I can't believe someone would do such a stupid and dumbass thing like this. Joking when they are KILLING THE GULF. You sure must not have spent any time around the once beautiful place. It isn't hard to see why you're a Republican. No morals and no conscience.
You know you're like a guy up at the campground. One evening a group of us were sitting around talking and the bugs were biting me. I asked if anyone had some OFF. He said that he had some and threw me a spray can. I started spraying myself, my arms, head and neck and rubbed some on my face and I found it was wasp killer. I said you god damn dumbass son of a bitch, this is wasp killer. He laughed and said you should have read the label. I started to go for him and my wife grabbed me. I wanted to kill him. I never spoke to the son of a bitch again. What kind of a person would hand a "friend" wasp killer in the dark of evening and tell him it's OFF and then say you should have read the label. The Lousy Son Of A Bitch. Well he's passed on, Good.
Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!
Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live. Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news. She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:
Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel. As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us. This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:
Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense. :yes: Just think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction. :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars. :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government 20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:
Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:
Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations. Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations. They operate law free and you see what it got us. Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America. :icon_evil: :yes:
There is more interesting information. BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations. These stations are own by private owners. They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily. They buy their gas from the local refineries. So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong. Your hurting small American business people. This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line.
The Troll :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2: :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2:
Read this and then look up at the post "ME" sent me right after I posted this and what it lead up to. The :witch:
Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!
Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live. Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news. She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:
Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel. As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us. This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:
Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense. :yes: Just think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction. :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars. :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government 20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:
Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:
Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations. Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations. They operate law free and you see what it got us. Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America. :icon_evil: :yes:
There is more interesting information. BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations. These stations are own by private owners. They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily. They buy their gas from the local refineries. So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong. Your hurting small American business people. This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line.
The Troll :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2: :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2:
Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!
Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live. Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news. She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:
Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel. As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us. This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:
Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense. :yes: Just think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction. :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars. :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government 20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:
Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:
Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations. Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations. They operate law free and you see what it got us. Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America. :icon_evil: :yes:
There is more interesting information. BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations. These stations are own by private owners. They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily. They buy their gas from the local refineries. So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong. Your hurting small American business people. This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line.
The Troll :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2: :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2:
Hell, I've known all along that every single dollar they expend in dealing with this crises is only going to increase their tax write off amount. It's the way the system works. . . right now.
There's a cure for it if they are found to be criminally liable for this incident, fine their asses in the exact amount of the write off to remediate citizen liability. But if the POTUS suggests it the squalling from the conservatives will make Katrina look like a bird fart!
Dang Troll it was only a joke....Did ya get up on the wrong side of the bed or somethin'?
Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
OK "ME" is this one of your cruel jokes and lies. I read it and since it was you, I took it for fact. I got one TV on Fox News, one on MSNBC and one on CNN and they've said nothing about capping the flow. (Wedding Ring my ass) There are devices that are called Wedding rings, you put them on and it won't come off. The only thing they have talked about is a clogged oil burning flare nozzle of one of the ships at the site of the spill. What is your source.
If this is one of your jokes on something this serious, I'll never believe anything you say again. Believe me. The Troll :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: :rant: I can't believe someone would do such a stupid and dumbass thing like this. Joking when they are KILLING THE GULF. You sure must not have spent any time around the once beautiful place. It isn't hard to see why you're a Republican. No morals and no conscience.
You know you're like a guy up at the campground. One evening a group of us were sitting around talking and the bugs were biting me. I asked if anyone had some OFF. He said that he had some and threw me a spray can. I started spraying myself, my arms, head and neck and rubbed some on my face and I found it was wasp killer. I said you god damn dumbass son of a bitch, this is wasp killer. He laughed and said you should have read the label. I started to go for him and my wife grabbed me. I wanted to kill him. I never spoke to the son of a bitch again. What kind of a person would hand a "friend" wasp killer in the dark of evening and tell him it's OFF and then say you should have read the label. The Lousy Son Of A Bitch. Well he's passed on, Good.
I think his funny bone might be temporarily disconnected.
Oil collection operations were suspended for 10 hours today due to problems aboard the collection craft and weather. Meanwhile BP CEO Tony Hayward attended a yacht race. . . :rant: :rant: :rant:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 19, 2010, 04:26:29 PM
I think his funny bone might be temporarily disconnected.
Your damn right I'm pissed. "ME" is going to be on my shit list for some time. You can't believe how much I want to get the well capped. Then some one who I believed pulls a shitty joke. Won't believe a damn thing she says. :finger01: and :finger2: and :kissit:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 19, 2010, 04:26:29 PM
I think his funny bone might be temporarily disconnected.
Don't think he ever had one connected. :wink:
Quote from: me on June 20, 2010, 11:43:19 AM
Don't think he ever had one connected. :wink:
I usually do, until I run into lyers and people who make jokes out of things that are not funny at all. You could make a joke of of a plane crash of children and how a person got sick when pick up what he thought was a baby dolls arm and it was a real one.
BP CEO GOES SAILING... (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100619/D9GEI7UG0.html)
:rant:
It is time to fire this bum...
Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!
Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live. Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news. She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:
Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel. As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us. This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:
Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense. :yes: Just think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction. :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars. :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government 20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:
Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:
Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations. Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations. They operate law free and you see what it got us. Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America. :icon_evil: :yes:
There is more interesting information. BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations. These stations are own by private owners. They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily. They buy their gas from the local refineries. So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong. Your hurting small American business people. This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line.
The Troll :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2: :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2:
I wonder how the lovers and the defender of Super Large World Corporations are going to defend the actions.
Judge blocks offshore drilling moratorium imposed by Obama administration after Gulf spill.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2010, 01:51:08 PM
Judge blocks offshore drilling moratorium imposed by Obama administration after Gulf spill.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/22/federal-judge-blocks-drilling-moratorium-in-gulf/?hpt=T2 (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/22/federal-judge-blocks-drilling-moratorium-in-gulf/?hpt=T2)
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous decisions I have ever seen in my entire lifetime. When this happens again what are we going to do? When we get a second or third incident before we even have the first one addressed, or know what caused it, what is going to happen?
This judge needs his/her ass kicked! :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 02:03:37 PM
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/22/federal-judge-blocks-drilling-moratorium-in-gulf/?hpt=T2 (http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/22/federal-judge-blocks-drilling-moratorium-in-gulf/?hpt=T2)
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous decisions I have ever seen in my entire lifetime. When this happens again what are we going to do? When we get a second or third incident before we even have the first one addressed, or know what caused it, what is going to happen?
This judge needs his/her ass kicked! :mad:
Drilling isn't going to stop. The idled rigs will be moved to Brazil and put back into operation so the threat will still be there.
Quote from: me on June 22, 2010, 02:46:25 PM
Drilling isn't going to stop. The idled rigs will be moved to Brazil and put back into operation so the threat will still be there.
No. . . not with all that unrest and Chavez in the region. . . And besides, if they do they will not be tapping our resources. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 02:54:32 PM
No. . . not with all that unrest and Chavez in the region. . . And besides, if they do they will not be tapping our resources. . .
Soros don't care about Chavez.
Quote from: me on June 22, 2010, 04:38:06 PM
Soros don't care about Chavez.
Sure. . . :rolleyes:
You fail to understand the potential for Arizona's FUBAR immigration fiasco to unite hispanic countries. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 02:54:32 PM
No. . . not with all that unrest and Chavez in the region. . . And besides, if they do they will not be tapping our resources. . .
Which we obviously aren't going to tap either.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 22, 2010, 01:51:08 PM
Judge blocks offshore drilling moratorium imposed by Obama administration after Gulf spill.
Happy now? Call BP and tell them that drilling in on again. :clap: :clap: :clap:
And the government is appealing, still no drilling, Happy?
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2010, 05:41:17 PM
Which we obviously aren't going to tap either.
You are so "for" drill baby, drill, why don't you move down to the Gulf Shores and lap up some of that black gold yourself? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2010, 05:43:16 PM
And the government is appealing, still no drilling, Happy?
I don't mind them drilling, I only want it SAFE. I want more than just one, excellent Blow Out Preventers and I don't want the corporations cutting corners. They still make money and be safe. And I sure want them to have a excellent plan "B". And a plan "C".
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 05:48:30 PM
You are so "for" drill baby, drill, why don't you move down to the Gulf Shores and lap up some of that black gold yourself? :rolleyes:
I think the government (read President Obama and his cap and trade group) over reacted and misrepresented a report they presented. Current restrictions led to the deep water drilling. They don't want to drill anyplace and are using this "accident" if it was one to push their agenda. As long as you want someone to move, why don't you go down and help clean it up in your electric car and live in your wind powered house. You can sell all your carbon credits to Mr. Gore.
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2010, 06:37:01 PM
I think the government (read President Obama and his cap and trade group) over reacted and misrepresented a report they presented. Current restrictions led to the deep water drilling. They don't want to drill anyplace and are using this "accident" if it was one to push their agenda. As long as you want someone to move, why don't you go down and help clean it up in your electric car and live in your wind powered house. You can sell all your carbon credits to Mr. Gore.
Puh-lease! :rolleyes:
Go try and pass that emotional BS on the thousands of shrimpers, fishermen, resort owners, business owners, and their families, that have had their livelihoods taken away from them. I suppose you are a seafood hater so it has no impact upon you and your tiny little world.
And for your edification, it is the LACK of restrictions, oversight, and enforcement that germinated over the course of the last 3 decades that truly "led" to this incident and the one in 1979 as well. And as far as deep water drilling goes, no one told them they had to go out there, that was a business decision they made all on their own in the pursuit of less than 2% of the worlds oil reserves, and the revenues they've been raping the world to achieve.
Under what administration did BP ET AL obtain the lease to drill in that location? Under what administration did they submit their remediation plan for a potential spill scenario? The current administration did not misrepresent anything, nor did they over-react. (Which brings another point into play; Which is it? Did the administration under react or over react? Guess that depends on what you want it to mean huh?)
Anyone who has a scintilla of sanity knows darned good and well that those things BP / Trans Ocean / Halliburton did or failed to do are pretty much wide spread and unspoken standards across the industry when conducting operations within the United States and its possessions; or have been up to this point.
Moreover, the approach the POTUS and his administration have taken toward implementing a moratorium on all deep water offshore drilling, until a proper root cause analysis, failure analysis, remediation course of action, and corrective action/preventative action and engineered solutions are identified and implemented, is the
only acceptable course of action that ensures the ongoing safety of all workers in the industry and secures the sanctity and health of our environment. Anything less than that is patronization of the families who lost their loved ones and of the industry.
I'm not the one spewing the "drill baby, drill" propaganda. You are. So you move your ass down there and lap it up.
Sorry. love some seafood, where did that come from?
What emotional bs as you put it.
Ok, you tell me where they are allowed to drill besides in water, deep or otherwise? Where have drilling permit been given in the several years? Not in Alaska, not out west, only in water.
Like it or not, they misrepresented a report given to them and got caught. They did not follow the recommendations, just went off on a tangent and over reacted, putting hundreds of additional people out of work. They could have ordered inspections, etc. instead of a knee jerk reaction.
I'll keep my ass right where I am thank you very much.
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
Sorry. love some seafood, where did that come from?
So obviously you don't care that this black death is killing off billions and billions of marine life, sea life, and mammals!
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
What emotional bs as you put it.
Ok, you tell me where they are allowed to drill besides in water, deep or otherwise? Where have drilling permit been given in the several years? Not in Alaska, not out west, only in water.
Like it or not, they misrepresented a report given to them and got caught. They did not follow the recommendations, just went off on a tangent and over reacted, putting hundreds of additional people out of work. They could have ordered inspections, etc. instead of a knee jerk reaction.
There are presently 1,426 ON shore rotary drilling rigs in operation within the US as of April 2010 - of the 1,816 total active rigs. Of these 508 currently target crude oil only, with the balance drilling for oil and gas.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E_ERTRR0_XR0_RUSON_C&f=M (http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E_ERTRR0_XR0_RUSON_C&f=M)
Alaskan oil fields accounted for 20,030 (thousand of barrels) in the month of April this year, with the entire lower 48 producing 288,060 (thousands of barrels) during the same month.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_crdsnd_k_m.htm (http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_crdsnd_k_m.htm)
The US owns less than 2% of the proven oil reserves in the entire world, and accelerating the removal of that oil from the earth will do nothing except move the date we are screwed forward in time, leaving our children and their children to deal with the fact we (in general) are too greedy and ignorant to have considered alternative energy sources and implemented them
before we depleted our oil reserves. If production averages continue to increase as they are currently averaging, US oil reserves will be depleted ( according to some estimates from within the industry itself) within the next 8 to 12 years. Then what?
And fyi, they have ordered inspections and made substantial changes to the governing departments. . .
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
I'll keep my ass right where I am thank you very much.
That's what I thought! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2010, 07:41:26 PM.
They did not follow the recommendations, just went off on a tangent and over reacted, putting hundreds of additional people out of work. They could have ordered inspections, etc. instead of a knee jerk reaction.
I'll keep my ass right where I am thank you very much.
Where was your ass when they were sending our jobs over seas, to China and where there was slave labor. Shopping at Wal-Mart.
Worrying my husband would not have a job, where were you?
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2010, 10:02:04 PM
Worrying my husband would not have a job, where were you?
Writting my Senators and Congressman which I knew wouldn't work, Lugar and Pence.
Watching all of the Republican Predatory Capitalist, free trader and corporations sending them over seas.
Haven't seen any move by the democrats making any changes. Are you writing to them?
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 08:28:53 PM
So obviously you don't care that this black death is killing off billions and billions of marine life, sea life, and mammals!
There are presently 1,426 ON shore rotary drilling rigs in operation within the US as of April 2010 - of the 1,816 total active rigs. Of these 508 currently target crude oil only, with the balance drilling for oil and gas.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E_ERTRR0_XR0_RUSON_C&f=M (http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E_ERTRR0_XR0_RUSON_C&f=M)
Alaskan oil fields accounted for 20,030 (thousand of barrels) in the month of April this year, with the entire lower 48 producing 288,060 (thousands of barrels) during the same month.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_crdsnd_k_m.htm (http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_crdsnd_k_m.htm)
The US owns less than 2% of the proven oil reserves in the entire world, and accelerating the removal of that oil from the earth will do nothing except move the date we are screwed forward in time, leaving our children and their children to deal with the fact we (in general) are too greedy and ignorant to have considered alternative energy sources and implemented them before we depleted our oil reserves. If production averages continue to increase as they are currently averaging, US oil reserves will be depleted ( according to some estimates from within the industry itself) within the next 8 to 12 years. Then what?
And fyi, they have ordered inspections and made substantial changes to the governing departments. . .
That's what I thought! :rolleyes:
How many of these are new or recent permits?
They could have done the inspections without closing everything down. They are just using this to further their agenda. They misrepresented a report by experts because they didn't like their conclusion.
Quote from: Anne on June 23, 2010, 07:40:55 AM
How many of these are new or recent permits?
They could have done the inspections without closing everything down. They are just using this to further their agenda. They misrepresented a report by experts because they didn't like their conclusion.
Damn "Anne" your going to have to watch something else than Fox News. You need to be brought up to date.
When Obama order the stop of deep water drilling, it was for just six (6) months and it was for wells drill in water over 200 ft. That was less than 1-tenth of all of the wells being drilled.
Well, one of Reagan appointment judges, over ruled him and was going to turn the oil companies loose. Well, so sad to bad, Obama stopped all water drilling and filed a suit against that ruling. I might add the judge had a lot (17) energy stocks, oil stocks.
It so amazing how you Republicans can come to the defense of these corporations that by cutting corners to save money can do so much damage. Do you like seeing the Gulf of Mexico damaged so badly. There must be some kind of a malfuction of the brain cells of Republicans.
You have no idea what I watch or read so quit trying to to characertize me. You need to watch something besides President Obama's Chicago criminal cronies.
Quote from: Anne on June 23, 2010, 08:19:11 AM
You have no idea what I watch or read so quit trying to to characertize me. You need to watch something besides President Obama's Chicago criminal cronies.
Jesus Christ are you bring all of that unproven bullshit up again. Well, I know what you don't watch or read. Your watching and reading bullshit some where. You're not getting the facts. That a proven fact every time you open you mouth. :bs:
Would you please tell who the criminal cronies I am watching. Certainly no one from Chicago.
Drinking :koolaid: and watchng Glen Beck is a sure way to ruin you brain. It sound like it's both with you. Go on beat the dead horse of criminal cronies and look like a dumbass. :deadhorse:
I don't have to characertize you, you characertize yourself in your post.
REPUBLICAN :bliss: :bliss: :bliss: :bliss:
Quote from: Anne on June 22, 2010, 07:41:26 PM
They could have ordered inspections, etc. instead of a knee jerk reaction.
I'll keep my ass right where I am thank you very much.
And what happens when they discover a flaw in the backup safety systems on a 747? Or cracks in a wing?
They shut down the whole damn fleet until they determine the cause and fix it!
That'll keep your ass where it is for a while.
Quote from: Olias on June 23, 2010, 09:18:07 AM
And what happens when they discover a flaw in the backup safety systems on a 747? Or cracks in a wing?
They shut down the whole damn fleet until they determine the cause and fix it!
That'll keep your ass where it is for a while.
Just like they have today on the two AA 767 engine pylons! :spooked:
Quote from: Olias on June 23, 2010, 09:18:07 AM
And what happens when they discover a flaw in the backup safety systems on a 747? Or cracks in a wing?
They shut down the whole damn fleet until they determine the cause and fix it!
That'll keep your ass where it is for a while.
The oil rigs are not airplanes, apples to oranges.
Quote from: Anne on June 23, 2010, 11:28:20 AM
The oil rigs are not airplanes, apples to oranges.
So workplace and environmental safety threats are worthless?? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 23, 2010, 11:38:57 AM
So workplace and environmental safety threats are worthless?? :rolleyes:
who said they was worthless...
Quote from: Anne on June 23, 2010, 11:28:20 AM
The oil rigs are not airplanes, apples to oranges.
This BP oil rig did more damage than an air plane crash. A plane go down and 200 to 300 poor people lose their lives and the families suffer. Well this oil rig only killed 19 men and millions and millions of animal and sea life and the place the replunish themselves of years were destroyed.
Now were just getting to the damage to the people and property of the people on the coast. Naaah, to you that's nothing. Airplanes and oil rig are different. Not in pain or damage. Wake up girl and breath the fresh air we have here, they don't have it on the coast.
Don't you think they should find out what caused this explosion and oil leak. We know one thing that the Blow- Out Preventer had a failure rate of 50%. Hummmmmm could the other rigs have the same thing. Hell No, Just drill baby, drill.
Now it looks like the 'effin containment cap has blown off. There is a marked increase in the flow of oil from the leak today and BP is preparing a statement.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37841204/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf/?ns=disaster_in_the_gulf
How long can it take to check the blow out protectors. Don't you think the people on the other oil rigs are looking at everything on those rigs, unless of course they have a death wish. Don't you think the other companies are checking all their equipment, maybe they don't have as deep pockets as BP.
Of course the damage to the environment means something, my son lives on the FL coast. I never said it didn't matter.
I said I thought and still think President Obama had a knee jerk reaction and as someone in his administration says, never let a good crisis go to waste, advance your agenda.
Where did the other 7 people get killed or did more die from injuries from the fire? Last I heard it was 11.
Posing a moritorium on ALL wells in the Gulf is acinine...they should only impose them on rigs that are high risk wells in deep waters....and allow them to start immediatly after a proper inspection...Imposing a 6 month moratorium will endanger 800 to 1,400 jobs per rig, including third-party associated service jobs...there are over 4,000 rigs in the gulf of Mexico...you guys do the math....this COULD effect over 3,000,000 jobs....
THEN, there is a threat of more transporting tankers coming into our area because of OUR decreasing production in the Gulf...we will have to have more imported oil .....and historically THEY have accounted for far more oil spillage than well blowouts....
also, many of these rigs will simply move to other area's where they CAN drill....once they are gone, it may be years before they come back...
my thought is, there has to be political motives behind this IF this stands.....and it could very well be extemely detrmental to those Americans who depend on this industry as a way of life....
http://sec.wltx.com/article/0bEXgUagFA5Hk?q=Louisiana (http://sec.wltx.com/article/0bEXgUagFA5Hk?q=Louisiana)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gulf_Coast_Platforms.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gulf_Coast_Platforms.jpg)
Quote from: Palehorse on June 22, 2010, 08:28:53 PM
There are presently 1,426 ON shore rotary drilling rigs in operation within the US as of April 2010 - of the 1,816 total active rigs. Of these 508 currently target crude oil only, with the balance drilling for oil and gas.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E_ERTRR0_XR0_RUSON_C&f=M (http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=E_ERTRR0_XR0_RUSON_C&f=M)
Alaskan oil fields accounted for 20,030 (thousand of barrels) in the month of April this year, with the entire lower 48 producing 288,060 (thousands of barrels) during the same month.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_crdsnd_k_m.htm (http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_sum_crdsnd_k_m.htm)
The US owns less than 2% of the proven oil reserves in the entire world, and accelerating the removal of that oil from the earth will do nothing except move the date we are screwed forward in time, leaving our children and their children to deal with the fact we (in general) are too greedy and ignorant to have considered alternative energy sources and implemented them before we depleted our oil reserves. If production averages continue to increase as they are currently averaging, US oil reserves will be depleted ( according to some estimates from within the industry itself) within the next 8 to 12 years. Then what?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 23, 2010, 12:30:27 PM
Posing a moritorium on ALL wells in the Gulf is acinine...they should only impose them on rigs that are high risk wells in deep waters....and allow them to start immediatly after a proper inspection...Imposing a 6 month moratorium will endanger 800 to 1,400 jobs per rig, including third-party associated service jobs...there are over 4,000 rigs in the gulf of Mexico...you guys do the math....this COULD effect over 3,000,000 jobs....
. . .
You'd better check your sources and do a little research before you swallow that kool aid. . .
http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_drill_s1_m.htm (http://www.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_drill_s1_m.htm)
According to the Energy Information Administration and Department of Energy, there were a total of
51 offshore rigs in operation as of March of this year. . . of those 76% were classified as deep water, (depths greater than 200 meters).
Quote from: Anne on June 23, 2010, 12:20:20 PM
How long can it take to check the blow out protectors. Don't you think the people on the other oil rigs are looking at everything on those rigs, unless of course they have a death wish. Don't you think the other companies are checking all their equipment, maybe they don't have as deep pockets as BP.
Of course the damage to the environment means something, my son lives on the FL coast. I never said it didn't matter.
. . .
4 of the 5 top profit generating entities last year were oil companies. . . Only Walmart prevented them from obtaining 5 of 5. . .
No kool aid being drunk, those are my own research results....based upon what is being told to us....
you may be right, but based upon wikipedia's results and The Louisiana (http://sec.wltx.com/topic/Louisiana) Mid-Continent Oil and Gas Association...
none of the media is getting anything right these days....so, I did my own investative journalism during lunch, and THIS is what I came up with.....
along with articles such as:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127942449&ft=1&f=1006 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127942449&ft=1&f=1006)
Quote from: Locutus on June 23, 2010, 12:18:37 PM
Now it looks like the 'effin containment cap has blown off. There is a marked increase in the flow of oil from the leak today and BP is preparing a statement.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37841204/ns/disaster_in_the_gulf/?ns=disaster_in_the_gulf
Yup! :rant: The oil is back to flowing as it did from the start.
2 additional deaths are now being reported. . . one of them an operator aboard a vessel of opportunity. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
^^ It's pouring out faster now that I've seen it since the start of this 'effin nightmare.
:mad:
Damned! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 23, 2010, 01:33:42 PM
Damned! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
It is damn bad, but we all know that it's the Democrats and Obama who caused this, so he can get on with his socialized "Agenda" We're on the road to hell. Let us :pray:
Well, I know this is gonna make some of you jump up and down and yell source...proof.....lie but I would say the oil leak might be fixed soon because the detraction will no longer be needed.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/president-considers-executive-order-for-blanket-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens_06222010
Quote from: me on June 23, 2010, 02:39:12 PM
Well, I know this is gonna make some of you jump up and down and yell source...proof.....lie but I would say the oil leak might be fixed soon because the detraction will no longer be needed.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/president-considers-executive-order-for-blanket-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens_06222010
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! :rolleyes:
If this happens will you be a happy camper?
Quote from: Palehorse on June 23, 2010, 02:49:58 PM
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! :rolleyes:
I guess I should have said distraction.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 23, 2010, 01:04:49 PM
Yup! :rant: The oil is back to flowing as it did from the start.
2 additional deaths are now being reported. . . one of them an operator aboard a vessel of opportunity. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Are these the two you heard, one a man died in a swimming accident and another guy shot himself while in port at Gulf Shores?
Quote from: me on June 23, 2010, 02:39:12 PM
Well, I know this is gonna make some of you jump up and down and yell source...proof.....lie but I would say the oil leak might be fixed soon because the detraction will no longer be needed.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/president-considers-executive-order-for-blanket-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens_06222010
:groan: :groan: :groan: :groan:
Quote from: me on June 23, 2010, 02:39:12 PM
Well, I know this is gonna make some of you jump up and down and yell source...proof.....lie but I would say the oil leak might be fixed soon because the detraction will no longer be needed.
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/president-considers-executive-order-for-blanket-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens_06222010
Somebody tell me that this "distraction" statement is a joke.
A sure sign of the level of desperation the GOP have sunk to. . . .
In the beginning of the oil spill Obama was too busy golfing, partying, dancing, and hosting barbecues at the White House to notice. He sat on his hands for weeks. I for one don't think that's a coincidence. He had a lot of campaign obligations to full fill and he owed BP. He's going to use the oil spill to pay them back with cap and trade. Your fools if you don't call your representatives an demand tha they oppose this.
Speakin' of jokes :biggrin:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 23, 2010, 07:37:18 PM
Speakin' of jokes :biggrin:
He's here all week, folks. (rim shot)
Quote from: Doc on June 23, 2010, 07:33:50 PM
In the beginning of the oil spill Obama was too busy golfing, partying, dancing, and hosting barbecues at the White House to notice. He sat on his hands for weeks. I for one don't think that's a coincidence. He had a lot of campaign obligations to full fill and he owed BP. He's going to use the oil spill to pay them back with cap and trade. Your fools if you don't call your representatives an demand tha they oppose this.
Of all of the quack and jokers we have here in the Unknown Zone, Doc is right at the top. So full of religious, Republican :bs:
Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!
Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live. Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news. She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:
Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel. As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us. This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:
Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense. :yes: Just think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction. :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars. :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government 20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:
Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:
Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations. Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations. They operate law free and you see what it got us. Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America. :icon_evil: :yes:
There is more interesting information. BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations. These stations are own by private owners. They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily. They buy their gas from the local refineries. So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong. Your hurting small American business people. This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line.
The Troll :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2: :flag: :rain1: :flag: :rain2:
How about his one, Doc. Your line of thinking and your Republican party got us in the god damn mess. How would you and your God get us ouf of this mess. Seem all of the praying of the Southern Baptist isn't working. :pray: :pray: :preach: and let's not forget the Holy :ghost:
Looks like the republican party had diarrhea all over the beaches of Pensacola last night and this morning. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Drill baby, drill - Spill baby, spill - Kill baby, kill!
"BP Alaska - Ticking Time Bomb" ~ So says an employee of BP!
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/06/23/kaye.bp.ticking.timebomb.cnn?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/06/23/kaye.bp.ticking.timebomb.cnn?hpt=T2)
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2010, 03:57:57 PM
"BP Alaska - Ticking Time Bomb" ~ So says an employee of BP!
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/06/23/kaye.bp.ticking.timebomb.cnn?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/06/23/kaye.bp.ticking.timebomb.cnn?hpt=T2)
If I "HAD" to work for BP to keep from starving, I'd get me a million dollar life insurance on me. That if the insurance would selll me one, if they knew I worked for. You know you have to cover you"re ass in every way in these days. :yeah: :biggrin: :yes:
Quote from: The Troll on June 24, 2010, 04:12:49 PM
If I "HAD" to work for BP to keep from starving, I'd get me a million dollar life insurance on me. That if the insurance would selll me one, if they knew I worked for. You know you have to cover you"re ass in every way in these days. :yeah: :biggrin: :yes:
Everything is available at a price; its just the question of whether you are willing or able to pay the price. . . :yes:
And apparently the oil industry has plenty of cash to grease the wheels of justice. . .
Now we have to wait until the end of summer before the appeal on the moratorium will be heard. . . :rant: :rant: :rant:
Those white sand shores will be black with oil, tar, and dead marine life by then. . . and who know how many more billions of gallons of oil will be spewing by then as well! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Blue fin tuna - the gulf is one of two places they live and breed. . . They are now endangered due to this spill.
Sea turtles - 5 of the 7 species call the Gulf home - they too are now endangered. . .
Bottle Nose Dolphins - 5,000 of them are estimated to be giving birth in the Gulf at this time, and all of their calves will die due to the pollution that will choke them. . .
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
And from the looks of the weather radar, it appears a tropical storm is brewing just south of the gulf, and if it does all that oil floating around in the ocean will be blown ashore in short order by it. (And some areas could see it rain oil as the system sucks it up as it grows).
Letting these jackasses deepwater drill is akin to giving a child a loaded handgun to play with! :rant:
And just how much worse do you think the job situation is going to get once all the folks who lived down there evacuate, as happened with Katrina, and invade cities across this country? What are they going to do? What are we going to do?
Make no mistake about it, these idiots will start drilling again and when they do there will be another gusher spewing at the bottom of the ocean that no one can stop. . .
Had this sent to me in an email by a person who doesn't usually send this kind of stuff and was wondering if this guy is a nut case or if this is a possibility. Thought maybe a couple of you might be able to listen to this and give your opinion of what this guy is spouting. It's kind of scary if he isn't a fruit loop. I hope he is a fruit loop and what he is saying is waaaaay off base and out in left field somewhere to be honest.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/872.html
Quote from: Palehorse on June 24, 2010, 03:33:55 PM
Looks like the republican party had diarrhea all over the beaches of Pensacola last night and this morning. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Drill baby, drill - Spill baby, spill - Kill baby, kill!
wait, didn't obama WANT more drilling also?...YES, the democrats are JUST as guilty for ALL of this mess, they ALL are....they (washington) should have had plans put in place for such a disaster.....drilling is NOT going away....IT should in deep waters, but it should be opened up on land and shallow waters.....like it or not, THAT IS our (the worlds) source of energy....UNTIL, we establish a better way.
Henry, you write a post and the first part alway start out with :bs:. You Republicans, Sara Paylin, Michell Bachman and all of you were screeming drill baby, drill.
So Obama, after reading the imformation left by your George W. OKing the drilling and the phoney drilling information written by BP. What a big mistake, he should have not trusted what George W. said.
But I'll say, the rest of your post, it make good sense. We will drill in deep water again, because we have to. Henry don't start good posts with :bs: about Obama. You knew when you were lying.
Quote from: me on June 25, 2010, 01:53:53 AM
Had this sent to me in an email by a person who doesn't usually send this kind of stuff and was wondering if this guy is a nut case or if this is a possibility. Thought maybe a couple of you might be able to listen to this and give your opinion of what this guy is spouting. It's kind of scary if he isn't a fruit loop. I hope he is a fruit loop and what he is saying is waaaaay off base and out in left field somewhere to be honest.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/872.html
Be afraid! Be very afraid!
:biggrin:
Seriously though, it has long been known that there are vast pools of methane-rich water trapped at the bottom of the oceans. If some catastrophe causes this methane to be released, it would spell serious trouble for the climate.
Quote from: The Troll on June 25, 2010, 08:51:29 AM
Henry, you write a post and the first part alway start out with :bs: . You Republicans, Sara Paylin, Michell Bachman and all of you were screeming drill baby, drill.
So Obama, after reading the imformation left by your George W. OKing the drilling and the phoney drilling information written by BP. What a big mistake, he should have not trusted what George W. said.
But I'll say, the rest of your post, it make good sense. We will drill in deep water again, because we have to. Henry don't start good posts with :bs: about Obama. You knew when you were lying.
there is NO lying what-so-ever troll, let go of the halo you have on all democrats....
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html)
Nobody put a gun to Obama's head and told him to drill.....this was HIS decision to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling ....just two months ago....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 09:02:38 AM
there is NO lying what-so-ever troll, let go of the halo you have on all democrats....
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/31/science/earth/31energy.html)
Nobody put a gun to Obama's head and told him to drill.....this was HIS decision to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling ....just two months ago....
Typical Republican, said in a typical pinched liped voice, "We didn't put a gun to his head." You won one now you trying to blame him. You guys are :bs: :bs: :bs: 110% :bs:
Quote from: The Troll on June 25, 2010, 09:14:04 AM
Typical Republican, said in a typical pinched liped voice, "We didn't put a gun to his head." You won one now you trying to blame him. You guys are :bs: :bs: :bs: 110% :bs:
Troll, NOBODY won one........ :no: ...... I'm just calling you out on your mightier than thou democrats YOU put on a pedestal.....MOST politicians in general SUCK...democrat and/or republicans........Obama is NOT a saint...he is a crooked politician, just as we have had for the last twenty years....there is enough BS :bs: to cover both parties....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 08:18:15 AM
wait, didn't obama WANT more drilling also?...YES, the democrats are JUST as guilty for ALL of this mess, they ALL are....they (washington) should have had plans put in place for such a disaster.....drilling is NOT going away....IT should in deep waters, but it should be opened up on land and shallow waters.....like it or not, THAT IS our (the worlds) source of energy....UNTIL, we establish a better way.
Spin baby, spin! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on June 25, 2010, 01:19:13 PM
Spin baby, spin! :rolleyes:
did he not want more drillling?..... :confused: , uh YES!... :yes: .......why is it hard for you to admit, that the golden child is not perfect?... :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 09:29:41 AM
Troll, NOBODY won one........ :no: ...... I'm just calling you out on your mightier than thou democrats YOU put on a pedestal.....MOST politicians in general SUCK...democrat and/or republicans........Obama is NOT a saint...he is a crooked politician, just as we have had for the last twenty years....there is enough BS :bs: to cover both parties....
Oh, don't get me wrong, we have some bad ones. But, nothing compared to the super rich, predatory capatilist and corporation whorshipping assholes your party it.
I suppose you agree with one of the Tea Party canidates for govenor who want to put a cap of what the victims of the BP oil spill can get and let the taxpayer pick up the rest. Republican Dogma :bs: and :bs: and :bs:. The Troll :tiphat:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 01:21:38 PM
did he not want more drillling?..... :confused: , uh YES!... :yes: .......why is it hard for you to admit, that the golden child is not perfect?... :biggrin:
Why is it so hard for you to realize he opened a portion of the areas the "spill baby, spill" republicans were hammering him to open, as a gesture of good faith; demonstrating his willingness to work with anyone? No, you wouldn't admit that if the oil was lapping at your ears!
And since he did it, it immediately came back to bite everyone, and big surprise, you guys want to throw it on him. . . bullshit.
It just shows how desperate you tea party morons are! :yes:
And now mother nature is brewing up a special treat for everyone along the gulf coast, the big blow surprise! It's anyone's guess which way it will shove the oil but one thing is certain, its coming ashore in quantities NO ONE is ready to deal with. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: The Troll on June 25, 2010, 01:27:09 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, we have some bad ones. But, nothing compared to the super rich, predatory capatilist and corporation whorshipping assholes your party it.
I suppose you agree with one of the Tea Party canidates for govenor who want to put a cap of what the victims of the BP oil spill can get and let the taxpayer pick up the rest. Republican Dogma :bs: and :bs: and :bs:. The Troll :tiphat:
Troll, I realize you don't see any need for a cap to be put on what the victims can get from BP but you aren't thinking about those who would take advantage of the situation and try to claim more than they would ever earn just because they can. Yes, it would make it hard on the honest people but there needs to be some restrictions rather than just paying any amount to any and everyone. Look at what happened with Katrina. There were people who didn't even live in the state getting checks because they, the state, were just handing them out to everyone who asked at first.
Quote from: The Troll on June 25, 2010, 01:27:09 PM
Oh, don't get me wrong, we have some bad ones. But, nothing compared to the super rich, predatory capatilist and corporation whorshipping assholes your party it.
I suppose you agree with one of the Tea Party canidates for govenor who want to put a cap of what the victims of the BP oil spill can get and let the taxpayer pick up the rest. Republican Dogma :bs: and :bs: and :bs: . The Troll :tiphat:
No, and I don't think there are many (if any) of us who WANT BP to get off with anything....I want them to do as they say they are going to do....and pay for ALL legitimate claims.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 25, 2010, 01:31:15 PM
as a gesture of good faith; demonstrating his willingness to work with anyone?
my ass!!!!!!! :mad:
he did it because BP and big oil had him on their payroll during the last election.....PERIOD.
let me remind you that obama was the biggest recepient of CASH BY BP during this last election.....
be careful WHO you call morons..... ;) maybe a look in the mirror would be called for before you start calling OTHERS names. ;)
I'm sick of liberals who won't look at what is going on.....you keep on blaming "tea party" folks for a mess that has been created and stimulated by your very own.....I have never been more serious as I am right now about a group of people who have drank the "kool aid"...as I am now.
wake TFU!!!
quit watching MSNBC............for God's sake!!!
it is going to be the hard working folks of this country who is going to vote AGAIN this November, that will swing the pendulam BACK in the direction it needs to go, to save this country..........
don't believe me?...........just wait and see.... ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
my ass!!!!!!! :mad:
he did it because BP and big oil had him on their payroll during the last election.....PERIOD.
let me remind you that obama was the biggest recepient of CASH BY BP during this last election.....
That statement right there exemplifies exactly how desperate and low you idiots will go. Despite being PROVEN wrong elsewhere within this forum, you keep on spewing this LIE! You have told it so many times you now believe it despite the fact it has been proven a lie. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
be careful WHO you call morons..... ;) maybe a look in the mirror would be called for before you start calling OTHERS names. ;)
I'm sick of liberals who won't look at what is going on.....you keep on blaming "tea party" folks for a mess that has been created and stimulated by your very own.....I have never been more serious as I am right now about a group of people who have drank the "kool aid"...as I am now.
wake TFU!!!
quit watching MSNBC............for God's sake!!!
it is going to be the hard working folks of this country who is going to vote AGAIN this November, that will swing the pendulam BACK in the direction it needs to go, to save this country..........
don't believe me?...........just wait and see.... ;)
I call them like I see them; if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck. . .
If you think this mess was created in the last 18 months you are seriously delusional. . . Which explains a lot. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 25, 2010, 01:31:15 PM
. . .
And now mother nature is brewing up a special treat for everyone along the gulf coast, the big blow surprise! It's anyone's guess which way it will shove the oil but one thing is certain, its coming ashore in quantities NO ONE is ready to deal with. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Interesting that you two avoid this portion of my previous post, but not surprising. You aren't the ones being forcefully administered a crude oil enema are you? :rant:
And lets all act surprised when BP weasels out of their responsibilities by attributing it to an "act of god"! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 01:47:41 PM
my ass!!!!!!! :mad:
he did it because BP and big oil had him on their payroll during the last election.....PERIOD.
let me remind you that obama was the biggest recepient of CASH BY BP during this last election.....
be careful WHO you call morons..... ;) maybe a look in the mirror would be called for before you start calling OTHERS names. ;)
I'm sick of liberals who won't look at what is going on.....you keep on blaming "tea party" folks for a mess that has been created and stimulated by your very own.....I have never been more serious as I am right now about a group of people who have drank the "kool aid"...as I am now.
wake TFU!!!
quit watching MSNBC............for God's sake!!!
it is going to be the hard working folks of this country who is going to vote AGAIN this November, that will swing the pendulam BACK in the direction it needs to go, to save this country..........
don't believe me?...........just wait and see.... ;)
I will continue to watch MSMBC because I have never caught them lying. If you watch Fox you're going to be lied to or they forget to tell you something you should know.
Rupert Murdoch, Bill O'riely, Hannity, Glen Beck and one newreader on the morning show who said this week, her job was as important as the POTUS :rotfl: :rotfl: You got to be kidding me.
I have tried to watch Fox News, I just don't have the guts too. :puke: It's that bad.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 25, 2010, 02:01:43 PM
Interesting that you two avoid this portion of my previous post, but not surprising. You aren't the ones being forcefully administered a crude oil enema are you? :rant:
And lets all act surprised when BP weasels out of their responsibilities by attributing it to an "act of god"! :rolleyes:
who is ignoring it?......why would you even THINK I would ignore it?.......but it seems to me like it is the government that is going to allow this to wash up ashore.....it is the gov that is stopping gov jindall from doing what he needs to protect his beaches......it was obama that told other countries we didn't need any help with skimmers........what the hell?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 02:12:10 PM
who is ignoring it?......why would you even THINK I would ignore it?.......but it seems to me like it is the government that is going to allow this to wash up ashore.....it is the gov that is stopping gov jindall from doing what he needs to protect his beaches......it was obama that told other countries we didn't need any help with skimmers........what the hell?
Spin baby, spin. . . :rolleyes:
Asked and answered at least a dozen times. . . And I'm not in the mood for leftovers.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 25, 2010, 02:15:00 PM
Spin baby, spin. . . :rolleyes:
Asked and answered at least a dozen times. . . And I'm not in the mood for leftovers.
your answers was the same as the white houses.....BS.
There is not ONE good reason that we should not have EVERY available ship from ANY country that is willing to help our there RIGHT now....cleaning the best we can to stop it from reaching the beaches..
This crisis was caused by BP and BP is responsible for handling it. I thought you were against government intervention into the affairs of corporations but now you're bitching about them not doing enough? Which is it?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 25, 2010, 03:18:39 PM
This crisis was caused by BP and BP is responsible for handling it. I thought you were against government intervention into the affairs of corporations but now you're bitching about them not doing enough? Which is it?
I want to accept help that anyone can offer, this cirsis is bigger than we can handle ourselves....as it is becoming more and more obvious.....BP cannot allow other countries into this area.....BP cannot allow work to be done that Jindall is begging our Government to help with.....it is no different that asking for the UN to help during time of war....this IS what our government is supposed to do.....defend our borders, and right now our borders is under attack.....with crude oil.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 02:42:19 PM
your answers was the same as the white houses.....BS.
There is not ONE good reason that we should not have EVERY available ship from ANY country that is willing to help our there RIGHT now....cleaning the best we can to stop it from reaching the beaches..
Henry, let me explain to you something so simple about this oil spill.
Say you have a building that is 1000 ft long and 1000 ft wide, that's a 1 million square feet of floor space. In the middle of it you have a 50 horse power Gordon Rupt pump pumping 1200 gallons of water per minute onto the floor. You could take a 1000 people with 1000 mops and 1000 buckets and you aren't going to get the mess clean up until someone shut off the damn pump.
Well, we have a oil well, out in theGulf, pumping out around 10,000 barrels of oil per day (who knows how much) that 550,000 gallons of crude per day or 22,917 gallons hour of crude oil, (one nasty piece of crap) and it's still flowing. Nothing humanly possible can clean up this mess until the damn flow is stopped.
You know damn well the White House can't stop the damn well. Hell, you wonderful BP can't get it stopped and you know they have ask all of their buddies in the oil business for some way to stop it, what are we going to do :pray: That hasn't worked so far.
Quote from: The Troll on June 25, 2010, 03:31:36 PM
Henry, let me explain to you something so simple about this oil spill.
Say you have a building that is 1000 ft long and 1000 ft wide, that's a 1 million square feet of floor space. In the middle of it you have a 50 horse power Gordon Rupt pump pumping 1200 gallons of water per minute onto the floor. You could take a 1000 people with 1000 mops and 1000 buckets and you aren't going to get the mess clean up until someone shut off the damn pump.
Well, we have a oil well, out in theGulf, pumping out around 10,000 barrels of oil per day (who knows how much) that 550,000 gallons of crude per day or 22,917 gallons hour of crude oil, (one nasty piece of crap) and it's still flowing. Nothing humanly possible can clean up this mess until the damn flow is stopped.
You know damn well the White House can't stop the damn well. Hell, you wonderful BP can't get it stopped and you know they have ask all of their buddies in the oil business for some way to stop it, what are we going to do :pray: That hasn't worked so far.
I'm not bitching at the WH about stopping the well........I'm bitching that they are not getting everyone possible with a mop, to start the clean up.....and you analysis is not a good one.....we CAN skimm oil.....are you seriously just saying that we should do NOTHING until the leak is stopped!?.....if so, that is about as dumb as I have ever heard you respond to any question.....we should be sucking and skimming with every available boat and/or contraption that is available......no mater WHO or WHERE they are from......sitting back and watching a few more McCartney concerts will NOT do anytnhing to contribute to fixing this mess.....
How do you simultaneously allow foreign nationals close enough to our shoreline to effect any meaningful cleanup and protect the integrity of our border?
Quote from: Exterminator on June 25, 2010, 03:59:21 PM
How do you simultaneously allow foreign nationals close enough to our shoreline to effect any meaningful cleanup and protect the integrity of our border?
How were they allowed after Katrina. Didn't harm anything then. It's the friendly countries offering help not the ones we have problems with.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 25, 2010, 03:59:21 PM
How do you simultaneously allow foreign nationals close enough to our shoreline to effect any meaningful cleanup and protect the integrity of our border?
I don't think Sweden is national threat....and I don't think skimming boats are equipped to launch an attack......so, I'm not sure what you mean.
Quote from: me on June 25, 2010, 01:53:53 AM
Had this sent to me in an email by a person who doesn't usually send this kind of stuff and was wondering if this guy is a nut case or if this is a possibility. Thought maybe a couple of you might be able to listen to this and give your opinion of what this guy is spouting. It's kind of scary if he isn't a fruit loop. I hope he is a fruit loop and what he is saying is waaaaay off base and out in left field somewhere to be honest.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/872.html
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 03:45:18 PM
I'm not bitching at the WH about stopping the well........I'm bitching that they are not getting everyone possible with a mop, to start the clean up.....and you analysis is not a good one.....we CAN skimm oil.....are you seriously just saying that we should do NOTHING until the leak is stopped!?.....if so, that is about as dumb as I have ever heard you respond to any question.....we should be sucking and skimming with every available boat and/or contraption that is available......no mater WHO or WHERE they are from......sitting back and watching a few more McCartney concerts will NOT do anytnhing to contribute to fixing this mess.....
Henry, have you every sat in a boat fishing in the Gulf of Mexico out 45 miles. Do you know how frigging big the gulf is. Thousand and thousands of square miles.
This well is pumping out around 10,000 barrels of crude oil per day. 1/64 of inch of crude oil, sitting on top of the water, is to much. If you clean it up to day, it will return in a hour. Round and round and round and still we can't clean it up, because it is still flowing.
I have an idea on how to keep it out of the water. But with all corporations if it isn't invented here, in doesn't exist. My invention would need a ship sized lathe and a toolmaker to make the part, some pipeline welders and about mile of 26 in oil pipe and a line of super tankers to haul off the oil.
But that would cost them extra money, they will let it run until they get the other wells drilled. That way they will be there to pump the whole oil pool dry before they leave. Smart Hummmm.
Every person on every boat would have to be scrutinized and cleared by DHS and every ship thoroughly searched. You're dramatically over-simplifying a complex issue.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 25, 2010, 04:10:32 PM
Every person on every boat would have to be scrutinized and cleared by DHS and every ship thoroughly searched. You're dramatically over-simplifying a complex issue.
you may be correct, but we are facing a very dramatic and complex issue....It is not impossible to do this, IF, indeed you are correct.
this is a very unprecedented event, and has extremely dangerous potential to our entire Country economically and ecologically...so I say it is time to put away politics, and honestly do what is best for this country.
Henry Hawk wrote:
"Jindall is begging our Government to help with....."
POTUS offered thousands of troops to all of the governors of the gulf states (including Jindall, of courste). Most have barely used that resource, including Jindall. He (Jindall) has at his disposal, ~6500 National Guard troops to use in whatever way he wants, yet he keeps squawking about the government not giving him any help.
I'm tired of his political yapping, since he doesn't have a flippin' clue of what to do with help when it was given some time back.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 09:02:38 AM
Nobody put a gun to Obama's head and told him to drill.....this was HIS decision to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling ....just two months ago....
It was actually March 30, Henry. By then Deepwater Horizon had been operational in the Gulf for more than three years. It began drilling at Macondo Prospect in February 2010 and blew up on April 20. So this one does not fall on Obama's head. The area he opened was the East Coast. Does anybody know if there are drilling operations there yet?
Sorry to be such a nit-picker, Henry, but when we make accusations, it's a good idea to be sure they will hold up in court.
Quote from: me on June 25, 2010, 01:38:57 PM
Troll, I realize you don't see any need for a cap to be put on what the victims can get from BP but you aren't thinking about those who would take advantage of the situation and try to claim more than they would ever earn just because they can. ...
His question was whether to cap BP's liability and force taxpayers to pick up the rest of the damages. Remember,
me, to claim damages you must prove you were damaged in court if the accused objects. Why would we want to set an arbitrary limit on how much in
proven damages BP is required to cover?
God, I can't beli
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 03:30:21 PM
....BP cannot allow work to be done that Jindall is begging our Government to help with.....
What has he done besides flying over the spill in a helicopter? Oh yeah, and failing to utilize the National Guard troops that are authorized?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20008914-10391695.html
...Gulf coast governors haven't been fully utilizing the 17,500 National Guard troops authorized by the federal government to help them with the oil spill...
Jindal's statement doesn't address the specific question of why Louisiana is using only 1,053 of the 6,000 National Guard troops available to the state. The governor said that he would "deploy every resource" available to win the war against the BP oil spill, and complained that Coast Guard and BP authorization were required for individual tasks, which apparently slowed down the deployment of National Guard troops. However, the governor's office told CBS News that he has not specifically asked for more National Guard troops.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 25, 2010, 03:30:21 PM
I want to accept help that anyone can offer, this cirsis is bigger than we can handle ourselves....as it is becoming more and more obvious.....BP cannot allow other countries into this area.....BP cannot allow work to be done that Jindall is begging our Government to help with.....it is no different that asking for the UN to help during time of war....this IS what our government is supposed to do.....defend our borders, and right now our borders is under attack.....with crude oil.
See previous post.
Quote from: LOsborne on June 25, 2010, 06:35:05 PM
See previous post.
Good work, now that's what I call presenting your case. To bad I can say case closed. :rotfl:
http://www.globenews24.com/EN/news,louisiana-governor-outraged-at-stop-in-dredging-operations
Quote from: LOsborne on June 25, 2010, 06:33:16 PM
What has he done besides flying over the spill in a helicopter? Oh yeah, and failing to utilize the National Guard troops that are authorized?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20008914-10391695.html
...Gulf coast governors haven't been fully utilizing the 17,500 National Guard troops authorized by the federal government to help them with the oil spill...
Jindal's statement doesn't address the specific question of why Louisiana is using only 1,053 of the 6,000 National Guard troops available to the state. The governor said that he would "deploy every resource" available to win the war against the BP oil spill, and complained that Coast Guard and BP authorization were required for individual tasks, which apparently slowed down the deployment of National Guard troops. However, the governor's office told CBS News that he has not specifically asked for more National Guard troops.
Oh, I see, on Wednesday he bitched and whined some more.
Interesting paragraph from your own source:
In the meantime, the state said it wanted to start dredging from the area proposed in its initial application for the project while contractors waited to get the necessary pipe in place. The government agreed and gave Louisiana a week. That deadline expired Tuesday "at which point they came to us and said they needed another 10 days [to get the pipe in place] ... outstanding the fact that they had agreed to this very permit condition back on May 14," Strickland said.
He wants to take sand from the Chandeleur Islands to build berms -- which would destroy the barrier islands which already exist. Yeah, that's a good idea.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on Today at 03:30:21 PM
....BP cannot allow work to be done that Jindall is begging our Government to help with.....
Quote from: LOsborne
What has he done besides flying over the spill in a helicopter? Oh yeah, and failing to utilize the National Guard troops that are authorized?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20008914-10391695.html
...Gulf coast governors haven't been fully utilizing the 17,500 National Guard troops authorized by the federal government to help them with the oil spill...
Jindal's statement doesn't address the specific question of why Louisiana is using only 1,053 of the 6,000 National Guard troops available to the state. The governor said that he would "deploy every resource" available to win the war against the BP oil spill, and complained that Coast Guard and BP authorization were required for individual tasks, which apparently slowed down the deployment of National Guard troops. However, the governor's office told CBS News that he has not specifically asked for more National Guard troops.
Quote from: LOsborne on June 25, 2010, 07:31:45 PM
Oh, I see, on Wednesday he bitched and whined some more.
Interesting paragraph from your own source:
In the meantime, the state said it wanted to start dredging from the area proposed in its initial application for the project while contractors waited to get the necessary pipe in place. The government agreed and gave Louisiana a week. That deadline expired Tuesday "at which point they came to us and said they needed another 10 days [to get the pipe in place] ... outstanding the fact that they had agreed to this very permit condition back on May 14," Strickland said.
He wants to take sand from the Chandeleur Islands to build berms -- which would destroy the barrier islands which already exist. Yeah, that's a good idea.
Thanks for the sources. I'm no longer in the business of proving what I say in casual conversations. I have to do that in my work every day.
Quote from: LOsborne on June 25, 2010, 07:31:45 PM
Oh, I see, on Wednesday he bitched and whined some more.
Interesting paragraph from your own source:
In the meantime, the state said it wanted to start dredging from the area proposed in its initial application for the project while contractors waited to get the necessary pipe in place. The government agreed and gave Louisiana a week. That deadline expired Tuesday "at which point they came to us and said they needed another 10 days [to get the pipe in place] ... outstanding the fact that they had agreed to this very permit condition back on May 14," Strickland said.
He wants to take sand from the Chandeleur Islands to build berms -- which would destroy the barrier islands which already exist. Yeah, that's a good idea.
Bobby Jindal, Let's look at Bobby. Isn't he the one one who after a President Obama speeches, gave the Republican side of it and made an ass of himself.
Bobby Jindal, wasn't he the one who wanted big government out the people and the States business and wants tax cuts, tax cuts. But really wanted a small government. The States could handle their own business.
Bobby Jindal, wasn't he the one who was going to turn down the government "Stimulus Plan". But when the people of Louisana demanded he take that money, he was standing there with the first check for pictures. Like he did it himself.
Bobby Jindal, wasn't him, who when the oil spill happen, stood straight up and demanded that the government do something, like bring them help and money.
Bobby Jindal, one big phony Republican son of a bitch.
The Troll :flag: :flag: :no1: :salute:
QuoteAs the BP well in the Gulf of Mexico continues to spew out ever more toxic oil and methane into the sea, floating toxic sludge, by the millions of gallons, starts destroying the wetlands across the American Southeast, the dead hand of President Ronald Reagan is at work, making sure nothing is done to prevent yet another such disaster from occurring.
The name of that dead hand is Martin Leach-Cross Feldman, a federal judge in Louisiana, a part of the notoriously right-wing Fifth Circuit.
Feldman, appointed to the federal bench by President Reagan and approved by the Republican-led Senate in 1983, has been a craven supporter of corporations over the public interest for years. In the wake of the Katrina disaster in New Orleans, for example, Judge Feldman ruled against homeowners who tried to bring a racketeering case against Clipper Estates, the corporate owner of their housing development, claiming that the company had stolen money it collected from them allegedly for repairs, for the owner's personal use. The judge ruled that homeowners had no standing to sue.
Now, using classic Reaganesque logic (remember our senile ex-president's mocking argument to environmentalist that because trees release carbon dioxide at night, they must be "polluters"?), Judge Feldman has issued a temporary restraining order against the White House's six-month freeze on offshore drilling. His rationale for overturning the moratorium on drilling: The government hadn't provided an adequate justification for it.
As the judge put it: "If some drilling equipment parts are flawed, is it rational to say all are? Are all airplanes a danger because one was? All oil tankers like Exxon Valdez? All trains? All mines? That sort of thinking seems heavy handed and rather overbearing".
Well actually Judge, yes it is rational as a matter of fact...
http://pubrecord.org/commentary/7900/the-dead-hand-of-ronald-reagan/
Do you guys read anything but liberal news? or pundits? or watch anything other than MSNBC?
Bobby JIndal doesn't WANT more troops, he want's the green light to dredge, but the gov keeps shutting him down.....everytime he tries to do something he get MORE red tape from the government....he never asked for more National Guard troops......He has a plan, and know exactly what he wants and needs to do....but he keeps getting stopped by the federal government....the man is passionate about doing and trying anything to everything to stop this oil from coming in to his beaches, but he keeps getting shut down....I have NO faults with a man for trying to do what he is doing.
Also, on the moritorium....the eight experts that the white house hired for advice, have all said that the six month moritorium IS a bad idea....it seems to me that the fed gov has failed to do their job in the first place, and now they want the people of louisana and other states along the coast to suffer with losing their jobs, so they can do the job that they failed to do in the first place.....THEY, the fed gov, needs to get their head out of their ass and start doing their jobs RIGHT now, and not take six months a shut EVERYONE down.....shut them down, do the inspection, and after a pass, give them the green light, and move to the next one.....WHY in the hell do they have to shut ALL of them down for six months?....
Quote from: followsthewolf on June 25, 2010, 08:51:40 PM
Thanks for the sources. I'm no longer in the business of proving what I say in casual conversations. I have to do that in my work every day.
I feel that, if I don't provide the sources, I become like so many others, simply repeating (and usually misquoting) some partisan piece of crap that I didn't understand the first time.
It is very important to me to be able to answer, when someone asks scornfully, "Where did you hear that?"
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2010, 09:02:32 AM
Do you guys read anything but liberal news? or pundits? or watch anything other than MSNBC?
Henry, Henry, Henry. My source was yesterday's CBS News.
me's was Wednesday's CNN. Even your insulting rebuttals don't stand up to fact-checking. Now that's sad.
Yes, exactly Lolly. Sometimes it reminds me of "The song that has no end..." and it's maddening. But, I agree with FTW also, why bother when no one reads them? You do, I'm sure and maybe a few others, but the people who need to, don't and on and on it goes. I've mostly given up .
Quote from: LOsborne on June 26, 2010, 09:44:03 AM
Henry, Henry, Henry. My source was yesterday's CBS News. me's was Wednesday's CNN. Even your insulting rebuttals don't stand up to fact-checking. Now that's sad.
I'm not sure HOW to respond, other than I have heard Jindal himself plea for the gov to give him the green light to take care of things the way those in LA best see fit....THEY know their own land better than those in Washington DC....show me what is not "up" to your 'fact checking'....I'm not wanting to insult anyone, but I find it very, very frustrating to see the responses that I keep hearing......it is only liberals that are saying what you are claiming....all you have to do is google and find what I am claiming is true...he does NOT NEED MORE troops, until he can begin dredging again...THAT is his problem.....even if he had a million troops, that does not accomplish what he is trying to do....
http://www.thegovmonitor.com/world_news/united_states/governor-jindal-to-feds-restart-dredging-operations-in-louisiana-now-34283.html (http://www.thegovmonitor.com/world_news/united_states/governor-jindal-to-feds-restart-dredging-operations-in-louisiana-now-34283.html)
I tend to believe Jindal before I do MOST news agencies....these are from his own mouth...the man is sincerely battling for his people of Louisiana....he can see his passion and his sense of urgency....he is behaving the way a leader is supposed to behave during a time of crisis....
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 26, 2010, 09:47:58 AM
Yes, exactly Lolly. Sometimes it reminds me of "The song that has no end..." and it's maddening. But, I agree with FTW also, why bother when no one reads them? You do, I'm sure and maybe a few others, but the people who need to, don't and on and on it goes. I've mostly given up .
it is very funny, I feel the exact way YOU do.....but on here it is just a liberal feast....and anything constructive that is displayed that goes against YOUR grain of thought is shoved aside, and you come back with MORE, liberally slanted material...it is unbelievably frustrating at times, I just want to walk away from you guys, and go to a forum where people get it.....but, you are my peeps!!! and my heart goes out to you, and I can't walk away....it is really weird.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2010, 09:02:32 AM
Bobby JIndal doesn't WANT more troops,
Why not, he liked them very much two weeks ago.
http://www.ng.mil/news/archives/2010/06/061110-heroes.aspx
Quotehe want's the green light to dredge,
Henry, the issue is
where he wants to dredge. The Chandeleur Islands are barrier islands that already protect the inlets and marshes. Why destroy them to build more? That makes no sense.
From the previously cited link:
Along with this mission, about 1,100 Louisiana Guard members are deploying sandbags, Hesco baskets and other coastal barriers to keep the oil from spreading into sensitive inland marshes.Don't you get it? He doesn't have to destroy barrier islands while he waits for the pipe to dredge the sea-bed (that's what the delay is, in case you didn't bother to read the links.) He can sandbag. That works too. That's what the National Guard does best -- at least so far as those of us who live in river towns know. But Jindal is letting the Guard sit on their hands. He wants to tear down the islands. He is like a two-year-old who doesn't get his way. A workable substitute isn't good enough. He wants to dredge, you poopy-heads!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2010, 09:55:12 AM
..he does NOT NEED MORE troops, until he can begin dredging again...THAT is his problem.....even if he had a million troops, that does not accomplish what he is trying to do...
He wants to dredge the Chandeleurs. Doing that would destroy them. They protect the inlets and marshes from hurricanes as well as the oil spill. He needs to dredge the sea-bed. He won't have the pipe for two more weeks (and that ain't the government's fault.) Why do you feel using the Guard to sandbag for the two weeks he has to wait for the pipe is unreasonable? Sand-bagging WORKS!
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 26, 2010, 09:47:58 AM
Yes, exactly Lolly. Sometimes it reminds me of "The song that has no end..." and it's maddening. But, I agree with FTW also, why bother when no one reads them? You do, I'm sure and maybe a few others, but the people who need to, don't and on and on it goes. I've mostly given up .
I read them, and I demand them, because now and then, someone (usually
me or Henry) will post one which makes me rethink what I thought I knew about a situation. There is no such thing as too much data. The brainless goose-stepping of others is not my responsibility. But I am responsible for my own judgments, and I must think there is at least one other person out there who feels the same way.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2010, 09:58:20 AM
it is very funny, I feel the exact way YOU do.....but on here it is just a liberal feast....and anything constructive that is displayed that goes against YOUR grain of thought is shoved aside, and you come back with MORE, liberally slanted material...it is unbelievably frustrating at times, I just want to walk away from you guys, and go to a forum where people get it.....but, you are my peeps!!! and my heart goes out to you, and I can't walk away....it is really weird.
You don't want to leave and be just one more idiot walking lock-step with the other :koolaid: koolaid drinking Republican sheep who follow, Rush, Hannity, Beck, O'Reiley, Newt and many more greedy top leaders of the Republican party. You know you really :love: us. The Troll :kiss:
Here you can tweek us, pull our legs and get give us some good old time :bs: and more :bs: :kiss:
Quote from: LOsborne on June 26, 2010, 10:01:11 AM
Why not, he liked them very much two weeks ago.
http://www.ng.mil/news/archives/2010/06/061110-heroes.aspx
Henry, the issue is where he wants to dredge. The Chandeleur Islands are barrier islands that already protect the inlets and marshes. Why destroy them to build more? That makes no sense.
From the previously cited link:Along with this mission, about 1,100 Louisiana Guard members are deploying sandbags, Hesco baskets and other coastal barriers to keep the oil from spreading into sensitive inland marshes.
Don't you get it? He doesn't have to destroy barrier islands while he waits for the pipe to dredge the sea-bed (that's what the delay is, in case you didn't bother to read the links.) He can sandbag. That works too. That's what the National Guard does best -- at least so far as those of us who live in river towns know. But Jindal is letting the Guard sit on their hands. He wants to tear down the islands. He is like a two-year-old who doesn't get his way. A workable substitute isn't good enough. He wants to dredge, you poopy-heads!
Not that I don't trust you lolly, but I got to think that Jindal, and his people, know exactly what they need, they have been on this for two months now, he is just not going through an exercise, he is doing what needs to be done, based upon his peoples expertise and the folks who live there.......if putting sandbags was MORE effective than any other plan, I am 100% certain he would be doing that, but he along with other folks there believe that dredging will have the best results......
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 26, 2010, 11:03:28 AM
... but he along with other folks there believe that dredging will have the best results......
Yes, I'm sure it will. IN TWO WEEKS WHEN HE GETS THE PIPE and can dredge the sea-bed. Why aren't you (and he) willing to wait? Why risk causing more damage, instead of using the stop-gap measure for two weeks --- wait, now it's only ten days. What's the frickin' hurry? The spill has been pumping for more than two months. And if you believe BP about the cap, they've bought him the time.
Why aren't you willing the address the issue of
where he wants to dredge?
That storm will stop them in any case. . .all of them. . .
Right now it looks like the storm isn't going to affect them.
Quote from: Anne on June 26, 2010, 05:13:28 PM
Right now it looks like the storm isn't going to affect them.
I'm sorry. . . when did you get your degree in meteorology and what about it makes you able to predict the path of this storm when no one else seems to be able to? :rolleyes:
Watching the weather channel.
:blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah: :blah:
Enough said. . .
So now the weather channel isn't a worth watching? What do you watch for weather?
This is one of my favorite songs by BJ; and it contains a taste of what our Gulf Shore fishermen and shrimpers are now living:
http://www.youtube.com/v/LVlDSzbrH5M
Quote from: The Troll on June 23, 2010, 08:25:36 PM
Of all of the quack and jokers we have here in the Unknown Zone, Doc is right at the top. So full of religious, Republican :bs:
Since the onset of the Spill their have been no rational decisions made by the Administration. Never convened a panel of experts with the knowledge to give sound advise. Has stated BP is running the show their the only ones that know how Get serious this isnt Community Organizing theirs more than 1 way and their is more than 1 opinion.
Failure to bring these experts in has added to the time we are over 60 days with no end in sight. The president is the CEO maybe its your turn to go before congress and explain why you and your staff are not able to come together and deal with Emergencies.
Explain why though offered help from countries who have dealt with thse situations that you didnt waiver the Jones act. Give a logical reason if you can pull it out. Were any of thse countries asked for advice. You might be book smart but your mechanicaly chalenged. Dont call a professor to fix your Air condtiong do you. At time Common sense is more important than a dgree this is one of those times.
The commision to investigate the tradgedy has no one who has any working knowledge of the system give me a break. Quit bragging about the Scientist with the Peace Prize we know how hard they are to come by.
Obama, a pretty good speaker while reading from a teleprompter -- impresses not as a uniter of all U.S. citizens --- but as a leader of a gang (like Acorn), who cares little about the intelligence of average citizens -- who are too dumb to understand his lofty ideas -- hoping that the stupid U.S. citizens will someday worship his superior intellect and simply FOLLOW his majesty.
God help us all.
Quote from: Palehorse on June 26, 2010, 05:40:27 PM
I'm sorry. . . when did you get your degree in meteorology and what about it makes you able to predict the path of this storm when no one else seems to be able to? :rolleyes:
wasn't YOU making a prediction also?...I heard the same thing, BY meteorologists, that this storm brewing does not indicate any problems in the gulf, at this time.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 27, 2010, 10:45:34 AM
wasn't YOU making a prediction also?...I heard the same thing, BY meteorologists, that this storm brewing does not indicate any problems in the gulf, at this time.
At the time that he posted that, BP was sending workers home and preparing for the storm. Thankfully conditions changed since then, but it's only a matter of time in hurricane season.
Quote from: Doc on June 27, 2010, 09:58:12 AM
Since the onset of the Spill their have been no rational decisions made by the Administration. Never convened a panel of experts with the knowledge to give sound advise. Has stated BP is running the show their the only ones that know how Get serious this isnt Community Organizing theirs more than 1 way and their is more than 1 opinion.
Failure to bring these experts in has added to the time we are over 60 days with no end in sight. The president is the CEO maybe its your turn to go before congress and explain why you and your staff are not able to come together and deal with Emergencies.
Explain why though offered help from countries who have dealt with thse situations that you didnt waiver the Jones act. Give a logical reason if you can pull it out. Were any of thse countries asked for advice. You might be book smart but your mechanicaly chalenged. Dont call a professor to fix your Air condtiong do you. At time Common sense is more important than a dgree this is one of those times.
The commision to investigate the tradgedy has no one who has any working knowledge of the system give me a break. Quit bragging about the Scientist with the Peace Prize we know how hard they are to come by.
Obama, a pretty good speaker while reading from a teleprompter -- impresses not as a uniter of all U.S. citizens --- but as a leader of a gang (like Acorn), who cares little about the intelligence of average citizens -- who are too dumb to understand his lofty ideas -- hoping that the stupid U.S. citizens will someday worship his superior intellect and simply FOLLOW his majesty.
God help us all.
Doc, do you really know what the Jones Act of 1920 is. I don't think you got the slightest idea. I think you're parroting the talking points of the Republican Party.
The Jones Act is to protect the American shipping industries from being taken over by foriegn shipping companies. The Republicans are working on repealing it right now. All of our manufacturing, now our shipping is going over seas. What a damn bunch of rats these Republicans are.
The Jones Act exempts oil spills. #55113 Jones Act. Use of foreign documented oil spill response vessels, Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an oil spill response vessel documented under the law of a foreign country a may operate in waters of the United States on a emergency and temporary basis, for the purpose of recovering, transporting and unloading in a United States port discharged as a result of an oil spill in or near those waters.
Do you have an unknown source in Washington for all of you information. If you do, they lying to you.
Obama and his team have talked to all of the other oil companies Exxon, Shell and Texaco and all kinds of oil well expert, and engineers overseas and here. "Never convened a panel of experts with the knowledge to give sound advise". You're talking out of your ass. You're talking your :bs: and the Republican "Talking Points". I was listening to Fox News when they came out with the same :bs: your saying. Fox News, Fox new, Rush Limbaugh and the other Republican Bull Shitters.
It is absolutely amazing how you Republicans can take out of contex, misspeak and just flat lie about everthing. Lying just like BP, when they wrote down that they could handle any oil spill.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 27, 2010, 11:07:15 AM
At the time that he posted that, BP was sending workers home and preparing for the storm. Thankfully conditions changed since then, but it's only a matter of time in hurricane season.
Goodness, can't anyone take a little good news without throwing doom and gloom around.
The ONE and ONLY reason WHY Obama has not waived the Jones act is because of his cozy relationship with labor unions...it needs to be waived as did Bush during Katrina, for the purposes of allowing foreign ships to get in here and help us clean up this spill.......the labor unions are wanting to capitalize themselves during a catastrophe....and that is low........we need the worlds help right now, this is potenially the biggest ecological and possibly very massive economical event to in modern lifetimes in the US.
that my buddy Troll, is a fact. ;)
there is no logical reason why we cannot have some of the help that has been offered here to assist this mess....NONE!!.....there are political motives involved, that is the only reason why, and that is about as unpatriotic as it gets.....we should have every ship know available that has skimming powers on its way here, or already here....working....it sickens me the more I think about why they are NOT here.
So, Anne, what's so bright and cheerful about the oil leak?
Nothing, but the storm missing it is a good thing, right? Why not take it for the piece of good news that it is?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 27, 2010, 12:40:25 PM
The ONE and ONLY reason WHY Obama has not waived the Jones act is because of his cozy relationship with labor unions...it needs to be waived as did Bush during Katrina, for the purposes of allowing foreign ships to get in here and help us clean up this spill.......the labor unions are wanting to capitalize themselves during a catastrophe....and that is low........we need the worlds help right now, this is potenially the biggest ecological and possibly very massive economical event to in modern lifetimes in the US.
that my buddy Troll, is a fact. ;)
there is no logical reason why we cannot have some of the help that has been offered here to assist this mess....NONE!!.....there are political motives involved, that is the only reason why, and that is about as unpatriotic as it gets.....we should have every ship know available that has skimming powers on its way here, or already here....working....it sickens me the more I think about why they are NOT here.
IS THERE NO SMART, INTELLIGENT REPUBLICANS ANY MORE!
First the anti-union logic. Second, no knowloge of the Jones Act #55133. Third the anti-Obama thing. Forth, no knowledge of skimmers. Fifth, know everything about stabbing Obama and America in the back.
Henry, go back up 4 post and read Jones Act #55113 on exemption on oil spills. Foreign skimmer can come in on oil spill. The union as nothing in it.
In the United States there are 2000 skimmers, only 400 are in operation. Why hasn't BP hired them. This is one thing the government shouldn't have to do. It's BP's mess, let them clean it up.
Every day you get more and more like a baby Robin. You have no reason in what you say.
Quote from: The Troll on June 27, 2010, 02:14:47 PM
Henry, go back up 4 post and read Jones Act #55113 on exemption on oil spills. Foreign skimmer can come in on oil spill.
Why would he? If he educates himself, he loses the foundation for his baseless arguments and has nothing.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 27, 2010, 02:28:16 PM
Why would he? If he educates himself, he loses the foundation for his baseless arguments and has nothing.
Bingo!
Quote from: Anne on June 27, 2010, 02:04:48 PM
Nothing, but the storm missing it is a good thing, right? Why not take it for the piece of good news that it is?
Because it's not really good news until the oil is stopped, cleaned up and the threat of a storm isn't as serious.
If that is the way you want to live, fine. I have found that life is much too short to not appreciate every single little piece of good news.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/06/25/oilTicker.swf
^^ Click that puppy over to gallons and get an idea how fast it's spewing. :mad:
You can also change the daily estimates to reflect whose estimate you wish to use.
Quote from: Locutus on June 27, 2010, 06:23:59 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/06/25/oilTicker.swf
BP would say, Hell, that just a drop in the Ocean. 2,000 skimmer in the country and Bp has been operating only 400. What in Hell is wrong with this picture.
Quote from: The Troll on June 27, 2010, 02:14:47 PM
IS THERE NO SMART, INTELLIGENT REPUBLICANS ANY MORE!
First the anti-union logic. Second, no knowloge of the Jones Act #55133. Third the anti-Obama thing. Forth, no knowledge of skimmers. Fifth, know everything about stabbing Obama and America in the back.
Henry, go back up 4 post and read Jones Act #55113 on exemption on oil spills. Foreign skimmer can come in on oil spill. The union as nothing in it.
In the United States there are 2000 skimmers, only 400 are in operation. Why hasn't BP hired them. This is one thing the government shouldn't have to do. It's BP's mess, let them clean it up.
Every day you get more and more like a baby Robin. You have no reason in what you say.
Troll, again I may surprise you and admit that the Jones Act #55113, appears to give some credeance to this argument, but, it forces me into this next question as to WHY we STILL have 1600 skimmer NOT in use?....and the argument that YOU give is that
It's BP's mess, let them clean it up is totally a wrong approach to fixing this problem..........we cannot wait on BP to act, we need to FIRST and FOREMOST, protect our coastline and waters....don't get me wrong, I still believe that BP MUST pay for these expenses, but the POTUS needs to worry about collecting from BP, AFTER this mess is fixed......
My biggest concern regading OTHERS coming in to help would be more of the National Security measures, and having the safegaurds in place of allowing others ships to be that close to our boarders....but, we MUST utilize ALL that is out there to clean this up, and not put it off any further.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2010, 08:29:00 AM
Troll, again I may surprise you and admit that the Jones Act #55113, appears to give some credeance to this argument, but, it forces me into this next question as to WHY we STILL have 1600 skimmer NOT in use?....and the argument that YOU give is that It's BP's mess, let them clean it up is totally a wrong approach to fixing this problem..........we cannot wait on BP to act, we need to FIRST and FOREMOST, protect our coastline and waters....don't get me wrong, I still believe that BP MUST pay for these expenses, but the POTUS needs to worry about collecting from BP, AFTER this mess is fixed......
My biggest concern regading OTHERS coming in to help would be more of the National Security measures, and having the safegaurds in place of allowing others ships to be that close to our boarders....but, we MUST utilize ALL that is out there to clean this up, and not put it off any further.
Hey, aren't you the one that's against big goverment and big goverment regulations. What in hell are you crying for the government to do anything. If it was up to you people all our govenment would do is supply a armed forces. I just don't under stand you Replublicans.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2010, 08:29:00 AM
...but, it forces me into this next question as to WHY we STILL have 1600 skimmer NOT in use?
For the same reason that nine women can't have a baby in a month. Sometimes, simply throwing more resources at a problem accomplishes nothing.
Quote from: The Troll on June 28, 2010, 09:27:26 AM
I just don't under stand you Replublicans.
and THAT is the problem.......you just won't even TRY to understand, because you are SO democrat, you just generalize ALL repubicans into a category that has been demonized by YOUR party....I have never said that the government is not responisble to do certain things, I just don't want them doing EVERTHING, and especially something that the private industry can do better and more effectively...
Quote from: Exterminator on June 28, 2010, 09:27:50 AM
For the same reason that nine women can't have a baby in a month. Sometimes, simply throwing more resources at a problem accomplishes nothing.
I understand your logic, but I don't think that is a valid one for this situation....because they ARE NOT skimming enough to keep it from reaching our beaches...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2010, 10:17:34 AM
I understand your logic, but I don't think that is a valid one for this situation....because they ARE NOT skimming enough to keep it from reaching our beaches...
I would imagine that there are a lot of complexities to skimming oil that you and I don't understand.
Quote from: Exterminator on June 28, 2010, 10:54:11 AM
I would imagine that there are a lot of complexities to skimming oil that you and I don't understand.
and you may very well be dead on correct...but from a innocent bystander, it sure would appear that there would be room and reason several hundred of them out there.....
I, without saying, am very critical of our government, and have very little trust in them, and I feel exactly the same about BP.....both parties are looking for political opportunities, and THIS is surly not the time for this....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2010, 10:17:34 AM
I understand your logic, but I don't think that is a valid one for this situation....because they ARE NOT skimming enough to keep it from reaching our beaches...
I got two reasons I think nothing is being done about foreign oil skimmers and why BP isn't fixing the leak.
First, in the Jones Act you will see that all oil collected by foreign skimmers have to unload at American ports. I bet if we let the foreign oil skimmer keep the crude they picked up and take home or sell it on the open market, they would swarm the Gulf, cleaning every bit of loose crude even wash the sand. Besides that, BP should be made to rent the 1600 skimmer we have. They should do it on their own and out of their own pocket.
Second, why should BP pay millions of dollars to pipe the oil gusher up to the surface and have to have oil tankers standing by to pick up the oil. When they can take that money and put into drilling two new wells and pump the oil pool under the Gulf dry. If they get those well in, they will get to stay there for years and years. That's what corporations do, make and save money, to hell with the environment.
Quote from: The Troll on June 28, 2010, 01:17:53 PM
I got two reasons I think nothing is being done about foreign oil skimmers and why BP isn't fixing the leak.
First, in the Jones Act you will see that all oil collected by foreign skimmers have to unload at American ports. I bet if we let the foreign oil skimmer keep the crude they picked up and take home or sell it on the open market, they would swarm the Gulf, cleaning every bit of loose crude even wash the sand. Besides that, BP should be made to rent the 1600 skimmer we have. They should do it on their own and out of their own pocket.
Second, why should BP pay millions of dollars to pipe the oil gusher up to the surface and have to have oil tankers standing by to pick up the oil. When they can take that money and put into drilling two new wells and pump the oil pool under the Gulf dry. If they get those well in, they will get to stay there for years and years. That's what corporations do, make and save money, to hell with the environment.
Can't really argue with either of those remarks troll,........(this is getting kind of sacry :spooked: )....but, ONE, has to think that BP, at least in my opinion, can make or break themselves by the way they handle themselves on the clean-up.....I can forgive a tragic mistake, if BP sincerely does what it takes to clean this mess up, BUT, if they do NOT do a FANTASTIC job of clean up, NOR do they make the proper cash settlements to those who are warrented to be compensated, in FULL.....I at that point, NEVER, EVER support BP again. I say they have MORE at stake at making things right, than they do at not making things right...........but, I'm not sure if they see things this way.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2010, 01:25:09 PM
Can't really argue with either of those remarks troll,........(this is getting kind of sacry :spooked: )....but, ONE, has to think that BP, at least in my opinion, can make or break themselves by the way they handle themselves on the clean-up.....I can forgive a tragic mistake, if BP sincerely does what it takes to clean this mess up, BUT, if they do NOT do a FANTASTIC job of clean up, NOR do they make the proper cash settlements to those who are warrented to be compensated, in FULL.....I at that point, NEVER, EVER support BP again. I say they have MORE at stake at making things right, than they do at not making things right...........but, I'm not sure if they see things this way.
Oh, I could forgive BP if they did what is right. But I won't forget what they did. But they will do just the same thing Exxon did in Alaska, fiddle fuck around, putting off, lying, cheating and dragging things out until the people they destroyed die. It has been 20 years and things are still fucked up in Alaska and still Exxon is dragging their feet. I don't trust BP as far as I can throw my gasguzzler V10 truck.
After 70 days, Obama accepts International Assistance for the spill...
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States is accepting help from 12 countries and international organizations in dealing with the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
The State Department said in a statement Tuesday that the U.S. is working out the particulars of the help that's been accepted.
The identities of all 12 countries and international organizations were not immediately announced. One country was cited in the State Department statement -- Japan, which is providing two high-speed skimmers and fire containment boom.
More than 30 countries and international organizations have offered to help with the spill. The State Department hasn't indicated why some offers have been accepted and others have not.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-accepts-international-apf-4104246595.html?x=0&.v=2 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-accepts-international-apf-4104246595.html?x=0&.v=2)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 30, 2010, 10:45:37 AMAfter 70 days, Obama accepts International Assistance for the spill... WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States is accepting help from 12 countries and international organizations in dealing with the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The State Department said in a statement Tuesday that the U.S. is working out the particulars of the help that's been accepted. The identities of all 12 countries and international organizations were not immediately announced. One country was cited in the State Department statement -- Japan, which is providing two high-speed skimmers and fire containment boom. More than 30 countries and international organizations have offered to help with the spill. The State Department hasn't indicated why some offers have been accepted and others have not. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-accepts-international-apf-4104246595.html?x=0&.v=2 (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-accepts-international-apf-4104246595.html?x=0&.v=2)
Why is it Henry, that BP hasn't hired the other 1,600 skimmers that are here in the country.
Sure got tunnel vision when it come to Obama. Still not really wanting to blame BP. Still the same old bull shit, same old bull shit, same old bull shit. Your just like a stuck record. :flap: :flap: :flap:
Quote from: The Troll on June 30, 2010, 01:08:12 PM
Why is it Henry, that BP hasn't hired the other 1,600 skimmers that are here in the country.
Sure got tunnel vision when it come to Obama. Still not really wanting to blame BP. Still the same old bull shit, same old bull shit, same old bull shit. Your just like a stuck record. :flap: :flap: :flap:
we got to QUIT waiting on BP to save us, they are obviously struggling in that department....this is an ENORMOUS, CATASTRAPHIC EVENT That is going on....we need some leadership right now and get this under control.....QUICKLY
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 30, 2010, 01:27:42 PMwe got to QUIT waiting on BP to save us, they are obviously struggling in that department....this is an ENORMOUS, CATASTRAPHIC EVENT That is going on....we need some leadership right now and get this under control.....QUICKLY
Leadership, Leadership, Leadership, Leadership, Leadership. Obama and everybody in Washington and the United States, in fact the whole world, is working on this.
But since you never answer any questions, I'll try one more time. Who will lead and what do we do and not make the damn thing worse.
Is it Booby Jindal, who has been caught saying, "lead or get out of the way". Who wants to digs large holes into the wetlands to build a dike and in the process destroy forever what he trying to save. Braaaaain Deaaaaaaaaaaad.
Well, so much for small government. Hell, we have a big one and can't solve this problem.
Quote from: The Troll on June 30, 2010, 03:43:39 PM
Leadership, Leadership, Leadership, Leadership, Leadership. Obama and everybody in Washington and the United States, in fact the whole world, is working on this.
But since you never answer any questions, I'll try one more time. Who will lead and what do we do and not make the damn thing worse.
Is it Booby Jindal, who has been caught saying, "lead or get out of the way". Who wants to digs large holes into the wetlands to build a dike and in the process destroy forever what he trying to save. Braaaaain Deaaaaaaaaaaad.
Well, so much for small government. Hell, we have a big one and can't solve this problem.
If you weigh the harm of one against the harm of the other I'd say the wet lands are gonna lose because the oil is gonna ultimately cause more damage both to the economy and nature.
Quote from: me on June 30, 2010, 06:53:09 PM
If you weigh the harm of one against the harm of the other I'd say the wet lands are gonna lose because the oil is gonna ultimately cause more damage both to the economy and nature.
You were a kid at one time, probably, did you ever built sand castles and watch how the tide and the waves destroyed it. Just a little higher water and a few waves and just a few minutes the beach was back the same. No sign of your castle.
Just how long do you think sand dikes will last with a storm, waves and tides. A fart would last longer in a Indiana wind storm.
Some interesting information of BP"s oil spill. www.rense.com.
One professor said the the oil coming out of the pipe that is spilling the oil might be under 70,000 to 100,000 pound per square inch pressure. Well BP said that they had put on a blow out preventer with a rating of 15,000 pound of pressure. WOW! A sissy preventer.
We know, that at a mile depth the water pressure is 12,000 pound per square inch and the well is putting 100,000 barrels per day. That's a lot of pressure.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 30, 2010, 01:27:42 PM
we got to QUIT waiting on BP to save us, they are obviously struggling in that department....this is an ENORMOUS, CATASTRAPHIC EVENT That is going on....we need some leadership right now and get this under control.....QUICKLY
Huh. . . when did you abandon the "BP will take care of everything" schooner you've been sailing?
Quote from: Palehorse on July 01, 2010, 07:02:48 PM
Huh. . . when did you abandon the "BP will take care of everything" schooner you've been sailing?
When the Troll pointed out BP hadn't "hired" the other 1600 available skimmers. Henry wants us to quit picking on BP. He thinks the government should pay for those skimmers. His understanding that "government" means "you and me," when we talk about invoicing, tends to come and go.
Quote from: LOsborne on July 01, 2010, 07:13:24 PMWhen the Troll pointed out BP hadn't "hired" the other 1600 available skimmers. Henry wants us to quit picking on BP. He thinks the government should pay for those skimmers. His understanding that "government" means "you and me," when we talk about invoicing, tends to come and go.
Also Lolly, the world's largest skimmer has just been refitted for the Gulf. I guess it here waiting for the government, the EPA to check out it's filters and oil removal capabilities.
The amout of oil this skimmer can remove is beyond belief. Henry is talking about Obama being slow on getting skimmer out to work. You don't get the WORLD'S LARGEST OIL SKIMMER, refitter over night.
BP does NOT have a good track record for taking care of the problems when it sh*ts in its own nest and injures/kills people because of its cheap-ass way of providing for the safety of its workers.
There'd better be a massive, intensive watch to make sure they don't slip away when they try to shed their skins and get out from under their incredible liability for this disaster.
They have tried to do it before.
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 01, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
BP does NOT have a good track record for taking care of the problems when it sh*ts in its own nest and injures/kills people because of its cheap-ass way of providing for the safety of its workers.
There'd better be a massive, intensive watch to make sure they don't slip away when they try to shed their skins and get out from under their incredible liability for this disaster.
They have tried to do it before.
Mr. FTW, what would happen to you, if you pulled a Cluster F**k and killed 17 of your workers.
Nothing has happened to anyone at BP. They sure know how to cover each other's ass.
Quote from: followsthewolf on July 01, 2010, 08:32:54 PM
BP does NOT have a good track record for taking care of the problems when it sh*ts in its own nest and injures/kills people because of its cheap-ass way of providing for the safety of its workers.
There'd better be a massive, intensive watch to make sure they don't slip away when they try to shed their skins and get out from under their incredible liability for this disaster.
They have tried to do it before.
Been right at the forefront of my radar since the rig exploded, and I will keep it there until every single drop of oil and damage has been remediated. (Which will be long after I myself turn to fertilizer). . .
Quote from: LOsborne on July 01, 2010, 07:13:24 PM
When the Troll pointed out BP hadn't "hired" the other 1600 available skimmers. Henry wants us to quit picking on BP. He thinks the government should pay for those skimmers. His understanding that "government" means "you and me," when we talk about invoicing, tends to come and go.
Whoa!!!..back up the train girl..........WHERE did I ever say that I wanted the government to PAY for the skimmers?.........didn't happen Lolly...............I DID say that our government needs to do what BP is failing to do...we cannot wait on them to fix this....I say everything we do, we BILL BP....in FULL....that is what I have been saying from the beginning...THIS is a National Emergency.....we got to quit worrying about who is going to pay NOW for it......we need to get the work done NOW.....and collect from the guilty party later.
:nocomment: Just a sit'n and a watch'n and a wait'n. :wink: :smile: :biggrin:
QuoteOf the thousands of people who've come forward with big ideas for cleaning up BP's oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, one company has come forward with a giant idea it claims could collect hundreds of thousands of barrels of oily water per day and make a whale of a difference.
The A Whale skimmer, billed as the world's largest oil skimming vessel, is seen anchored on the...
The A Whale skimmer, billed as the world's largest oil skimming vessel, is seen anchored on the Mississippi River in Boothville, La., June 30, 2010. The ship is the length of 3 1/2 football fields and 10 stories high, and is designed to collect up to 500,000 barrels of oily water a day through 12 vents on either side of its bow.
(Patrick Semansky/AP Photo)The company's massive skimming ship currently floating off the Louisiana shoreline is called, literally, "A Whale," and with good reason. The 1,100-foot long tanker is 10 stories tall, stamped with a blue whale on the side of its bridge, and has been specially retrofitted by its owner, TMT Shipping of Taiwan, to collect oil from the Gulf.
I heard about this on the news this morning. Apparently the ship is sitting there waiting for clearance from the Coast guard and EPA to go in and start cleaning. Apparently there are safety concerns because it needs a 1/2 mile radius to operate safely and there are other ships and equipment currently in the way.
I'm sorry, I don't know what's involved, but get them the hell outta there and let this thing go to work. It can separate 500,000 barrells a day and can operate 24 hours because other ships can hook up and empty the tanks.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-super-skimmer-whale-promises-cleanup/story?id=11067664
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 02, 2010, 09:17:01 AM
I heard about this on the news this morning. Apparently the ship is sitting there waiting for clearance from the Coast guard and EPA to go in and start cleaning. Apparently there are safety concerns because it needs a 1/2 mile radius to operate safely and there are other ships and equipment currently in the way.
I'm sorry, I don't know what's involved, but get them the hell outta there and let this thing go to work. It can separate 500,000 barrells a day and can operate 24 hours because other ships can hook up and empty the tanks.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-super-skimmer-whale-promises-cleanup/story?id=11067664
Exactly what my previous comments in response to the cries to "bring in all available ships from around the world" was alluding to. . . These ships are not bayliners and cannot stop or turn on a dime. An increased density of similarly sized watercraft will exponentially increase the likelihood for additional incidents that will magnify the environmental and human cost of this disaster.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 05, 2010, 11:13:48 AM
Exactly what my previous comments in response to the cries to "bring in all available ships from around the world" was alluding to. . . These ships are not bayliners and cannot stop or turn on a dime. An increased density of similarly sized watercraft will exponentially increase the likelihood for additional incidents that will magnify the environmental and human cost of this disaster.
And also you don't hear about BP hiring any of the other 1600 American skimmers we have, do you.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 05, 2010, 11:13:48 AM
Exactly what my previous comments in response to the cries to "bring in all available ships from around the world" was alluding to. . . These ships are not bayliners and cannot stop or turn on a dime. An increased density of similarly sized watercraft will exponentially increase the likelihood for additional incidents that will magnify the environmental and human cost of this disaster.
Just think how the oil spill would have been handled if we would have had McCain and Palin runniing the show. Give her a boat a net and she would have gathered all of the oil up by herself. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :yes: :biggrin:
Gulf Spill Pictures: Toxic Oil Found Just Under Beaches (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/photogalleries/100705-gulf-oil-spill-beaches-florida-nation-pictures/#oil-under-pensacola-beach-students-digging_22938_600x450.jpg)
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on July 07, 2010, 05:40:09 PM
Gulf Spill Pictures: Toxic Oil Found Just Under Beaches (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/07/photogalleries/100705-gulf-oil-spill-beaches-florida-nation-pictures/#oil-under-pensacola-beach-students-digging_22938_600x450.jpg)
And it is only going to get worse. At best we've got another month of this spewing, and no one knows how many billions of gallons are still lurking out there beneath the surface, just awaiting a huge storm to drive them ashore. . . :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
STILL SPEWING!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
But Palehorse, didn't you read the press release that says they'll have the sucker capped on Monday? And they are ahead of schedule on the relief wells. And the oil currently on the beaches gives them such a lovely sepia-tone effect. Besides, y'all eat too much shell-fish anyway. Mark my words, one of these days the world with Thank BP for this serendipitous happening.
(gag. I have to go wash my mouth out with Jack after that.)
It makes me so sick it is beyond belief. . . And the whole thing is going to be repeated before those in our justice system and a certain political party finally "get it". . . . :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 09, 2010, 07:23:03 PM
It makes me so sick it is beyond belief. . . And the whole thing is going to be repeated before those in our justice system and a certain political party finally "get it". . . . :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
PH, in watching "Count Down" Friday evening. They showed a animation of the new cap for the gusher pipe. I is just like the one I had envisioned in my own little brain. I can't get over it, it is almost exactly like the one I had picture in my mind and sketched on paper.
Unless one of the subs operators screws up, this will work. I wonder how long they have been building it. It surly wouldn't have taken 8 weeks, working 24 hours a day to build it. They just wanted to be sure they had the other wells in place. Their going to be there until the whole pool of oil under the Gulf is empty. Millions and millions of barrels. That aught to cover some of the bill on clean up and reseeding the Gulf of it animal, sea life and plant life to the Gulf.
We're going to have to reseed the whole damn place. Remember the reseeding of White River.
I heard a statement by Tony "the Liar" Hayward, that said "once the relief well(s) punch through, both of them will have drilling mud pumped down through them until it comes up the broken well, then concrete will be pumped into all of them and the wells will be shut down and abandoned. No further oil will be withdrawn".
I don't believe that for one second. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 10, 2010, 11:36:08 AM
I heard a statement by Tony "the Liar" Hayward, that said "once the relief well(s) punch through, both of them will have drilling mud pumped down through them until it comes up the broken well, then concrete will be pumped into all of them and the wells will be shut down and abandoned. No further oil will be withdrawn".
I don't believe that for one second. . .
Why should would they, why would they want to. Therrr's gold in them dare oil pools
Let them pump and let them pay. Or take the wells and get someone else to pump the oil for us and the U.S.A.
You know that sounds like a good idea. Take the wells and the money they make.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 10, 2010, 11:36:08 AM
I heard a statement by Tony "the Liar" Hayward, that said "once the relief well(s) punch through, both of them will have drilling mud pumped down through them until it comes up the broken well, then concrete will be pumped into all of them and the wells will be shut down and abandoned. No further oil will be withdrawn".
I don't believe that for one second. . .
His nose should be about 50ft long by now and still growing. :yes:
Quote from: me on July 10, 2010, 12:49:15 PM
His nose should be about 50ft long by now and still growing. :yes:
The weight of the bad karma he has coming his way is ponderous! :yes:
Once again the oil is gushing unimpeded into the Gulf of Mexico, as BP has removed the cap for what their latest propaganda says is a fix to stop the flow entirely. . .
Wonder how much more black death they are unleashing and for how long before they realize another failure? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 10, 2010, 03:52:22 PM
Once again the oil is gushing unimpeded into the Gulf of Mexico, as BP has removed the cap for what their latest propaganda says is a fix to stop the flow entirely. . .
Wonder how much more black death they are unleashing and for how long before they realize another failure? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I hope their not lying on this one. But I sure would want a clean field of work area. So they won't snag up on all of that tangle of pipe down there when the platform went down.
It sure looks like the right set up. If they have the right kind of a seal on the drop pipe, they should stop all of it.
I quite sure they will have to have some tankers lined up to take the oil continuously because of the high pressures they won't be able to turn the damn thing off and let the pressures build up and rupture the pipe somewhere else. Crossed fingers.
New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) -- The U.S. Interior Department issued a new moratorium order Monday afternoon in a second effort to block deepwater oil and natural gas projects.
The new moratorium is to "protect communities, coasts, and wildlife" while oil and gas companies implement safety measures to reduce the risks of blowouts and oil spills associated with deepwater drilling, the government said.
The ban will be in effect through November 30, 2010, or until Interior Secretary Ken Salazar determines that deepwater drilling operations can proceed safely.
Shallow water drilling activities can continue to move forward if operators comply with all safety and environmental requirements, since they don't present the same type or level of risks that deepwater drilling operations can, the Interior Department said. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/12/gulf.oil.disaster/index.html?hpt=T2 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/12/gulf.oil.disaster/index.html?hpt=T2)
I'm sorry, but that is downright bullshit about the shallow water not representing the same type of risks. . .
The very same thing happened in shallow water 30 years ago. . .
The very same results were obtained 30 years ago. . .
The very same methods were utilized 30 years ago with the very same results!
These oil jackasses lie, cheat, steal, and congress bends over backwards to facilitate them. . . :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Palehorse, I've been thinking about this for some time. Once they get the broken well fixed and fixed right, don't close it. Pay BP or some other oil company to operate it and all profit goes to the fixing the Gulf's coasts beaches and wet lands, damage to it's people and reseeding and repopulating the sea life in the gulf. And no bonuses and real trustworthy auditors to keep the lying SOB's honest.
Hope this is good news and it stands up under the pressure tests tomorrow. There are several different cameras and views here and you may have to stop some of the cameras if your connection is slow or if you have a lot of other things open.
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/bp-live-oil-spill-cam.html
Quote from: me on July 12, 2010, 08:49:43 PMHope this is good news and it stands up under the pressure tests tomorrow. There are several different cameras and views here and you may have to stop some of the cameras if your connection is slow or if you have a lot of other things open. http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/bp-live-oil-spill-cam.html
This it one thing that THE TROLL and "ME" agrees on, STOP THE DAMN LEAK!
Quote from: The Troll on July 12, 2010, 09:09:27 PM
This it one thing that THE TROLL and "ME" agrees on, STOP THE DAMN LEAK!
Yep.... :yes:
You'll excuse me if I skip the parade. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 13, 2010, 05:34:02 AMYou'll excuse me if I skip the parade. . .
Barring no Murphy's law effects. I think this will work. The capping, blow-out preventer devise weights, from what I seen, 138,000 pound alone. Who knows what one mile of 20 inch pipe weights that is above it.
The talking "oil expert " head said that he couldn't understand why it took so long to get this device. He said the your large oil drilling companies had these devises around for things that happen in the Gulf. Working on the cheap, that BP and now their cheating the people out of their claims. Who didn't see that comng.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 13, 2010, 05:34:02 AM
You'll excuse me if I skip the parade. . .
Ain't no parade here and won't be 'til that leak has been stopped for a few days and they know it is going to work.
Now they are questioning whether or not the bore is leaking internally, in addition to what is coming out of the pipe. This thing is still spewing at full bore too, while they are testing everything to see if it will hold up. . .
If they delay long enough, one of the relief wells should break through anytime now. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
44 skimmers are on site, and burning operations are ongoing. Meanwhile, the underwater plumes are still forming and spreading unabated. . . :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2010, 05:10:44 PM
Now they are questioning whether or not the bore is leaking internally, in addition to what is coming out of the pipe. This thing is still spewing at full bore too, while they are testing everything to see if it will hold up. . .
If they delay long enough, one of the relief wells should break through anytime now. . . :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
44 skimmers are on site, and burning operations are ongoing. Meanwhile, the underwater plumes are still forming and spreading unabated. . . :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
That's what their waiting on. Don't stop it until we have the new wells drilled. You'll see, they have all ready plan for this. Money, Oil, Money, Oil. :biggrin: :yes: Do you really think their going to give up on the wells.
The Ex-CEO of Shell said to night on Hardball that he thought that we should take those wells, note he said "wells" to pay for the fixing of the Gulf and the people, the gusher ruined. :yes: :yes: :biggrin:
Right now I am not sure whether any of that really matters anymore. The damage has been done, they've rung the bell and you cannot unring it!
At one time I thought stopping the leak would be cause for celebration, but at this point it no longer matters. The death and destruction will continue for decades. The world as we once knew it has been forever changed and not for the better.
Quote from: Palehorse on July 14, 2010, 09:33:59 PM
Right now I am not sure whether any of that really matters anymore. The damage has been done, they've rung the bell and you cannot unring it!
At one time I thought stopping the leak would be cause for celebration, but at this point it no longer matters. The death and destruction will continue for decades. The world as we once knew it has been forever changed and not for the better.
Your right, for years, my wife and I went to Gulf Shores and have walked the sugar white beaches at Gulf Shores and Orange Beach. Fish the oil and gas rigs out in the Gulf and Mobile Bay.
Caught some real nice Red Snapper, Amberjack, Sheepheads, Trigger fish, King Mackrel, Flounder and it was beautiful.
I had a 10 ft trawl and I would go the Terry Cove and pull it. Shrimp and the amount of sea life of the botton of that cove was unbelievable. It's all gone. How many years, who knows. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: The Troll on July 14, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
Your right, for years, my wife and I went to Gulf Shores and have walked the sugar white beaches at Gulf Shores and Orange Beach. Fish the oil and gas rigs out in the Gulf and Mobile Bay.
Caught some real nice Red Snapper, Amberjack, Sheepheads, Trigger fish, King Mackrel, Flounder and it was beautiful.
I had a 10 ft trawl and I would go the Terry Cove and pull it. Shrimp and the amount of sea life of the botton of that cove was unbelievable. It's all gone. How many years, who knows. :'( :'( :'( :'(
It is just heart-breaking to think of the environmental and social-economic ruin this has forced upon the world. What is even sadder is that there are people who still support this kind of risk despite what has happened and will happen for decades to come!
This is the second time in 30 years we've been faced with this crap, and still we do not learn! :mad:
It is stopped. . . for the time being. . .
And that bill passed today....what a coincidence... :wink:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 15, 2010, 05:02:47 PM
It is stopped. . . for the time being. . .
The horse has left the state, but hey, at least we finally got the barn door closed! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Did y'all see this?
http://www.dailyfinance.com/article//bps-altered-photo-distorts-spill-center/1174728/?cid=11&flv=1
OOPS!
Quote from: LOsborne on July 21, 2010, 06:39:55 PM
Did y'all see this?
http://www.dailyfinance.com/article//bps-altered-photo-distorts-spill-center/1174728/?cid=11&flv=1
OOPS!
Yeah. . . not surprising though. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
I hear Tony the Liar is getting ready to officially resign his position too. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on July 21, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
Yeah. . . not surprising though. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
I hear Tony the Liar is getting ready to officially resign his position too. . .
I wonder what his Golden Parachute is worth. I'll bet it is worth several Million Pounds.
IF The Gulf Was A Football Stadium...
If the Gulf of Mexico - the 7th largest body of water in the world, containing approximately 660 quadrillion gallons of water (that's 660 with 15 zeros) - was represented by Cowboys Stadium in Dallas - the largest domed stadium in the world - how would the spill stack up?
In this example, the amount of oil spilled - if the Gulf of Mexico was the size of Cowboys Stadium - would be about the size of a 24 ounce can of beer.
Cowboys stadium has an internal volume of approximately 104 million cubic feet, compared to the just over 50 cubic inches of volume in a 24-ounce can.
Just like the can, the spilled oil represents only .00000002788% of the liquid volume present in the Gulf of Mexico, although as the oil is dispersed, the amount of water affected becomes substantially greater.
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/_News/_TEMPLATES/_SLIDESHOWS/VisualizingTheOilSpill/SS_Oil_Spill_visualized_football.jpg)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38294088/What_Does_184_Million_Gallons_of_Oil_Look_Like?slide=9 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/38294088/What_Does_184_Million_Gallons_of_Oil_Look_Like?slide=9)
Wed Jul 21, 2010
WASHINGTON (AFP)
Some 750 boats drafted in to scoop up oil from the Gulf of Mexico are having "trouble" finding any crude in the sea, a top US official said Wednesday, almost a week after a busted well was capped.
"We are starting to have trouble finding oil," US pointman [sic] Admiral Thad Allen, who is in charge of handling the government's response, told reporters.
The boats, which have been drafted in to skim oil off the surface of the Gulf, are "really having to search for the oil in some cases" around the area of the capped well, he added.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2010, 12:38:10 PM
IF The Gulf Was A Football Stadium...
That isn't a fair representation at all! You're comparing volume. Try comparing surface area.
http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/ (http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/)
Quote from: Olias on July 22, 2010, 12:52:39 PM
That isn't a fair representation at all! You're comparing volume. Try comparing surface area.
http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/ (http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/)
but it is all not on the surface....even Admiral Thad Allen says they are starting to have trouble finding oil....
look, I am in no way tring to make light of this issue, I just find this news very interesting.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 22, 2010, 01:29:40 PM
but it is all not on the surface....even Admiral Thad Allen says they are starting to have trouble finding oil....
look, I am in no way tring to make light of this issue, I just find this news very interesting.
The amount of oil to the volume of the Gulf really is no way to compare the damage. The main reason you don't see any oil on top is BP is not stupid. They put dispersant's in and made is sink so the public wouldn't see it. In my opinion is stupid. Now it can't be collected.
But if you put that oil a few molecules thick (oil sheen) on the surface you cut of the oxygen transfer. Put an oil sheen on fish, shrimp, oysters and other sealife gills it will die. If you had 1/8 of a spoolfull of crude oil forced into you lungs, you probably would die.
Also the location of that oil was another problem. Wind and currents push that oil into the marshes and beaches. If that oil spill was out in the middle of the pacific ocean, hardly no damaged would have been done. So lyers figure and those figures lie.
I speculate here, but I am thinking that "Bonnie" is going to find all that lost oil for us and toss it onshore! :rant: :rant: :rant:
(CNN) -- My mother, Ms. Nippy Carville, was a woman of many talents. Two in particular stand out. She was a superb cook (the author of a successful cookbook), and she was an excellent bridge player.
She always cautioned me that it was important that one "review the bidding" before the play. Now that it's becoming apparent that the efforts to cap the well at Deepwater Horizon are going to be successful, we should pause and pay homage to Ms. Nippy's advice by reviewing the bidding.
Any fair assessment would have to conclude that in spite of some people's criticism of the early response, (and by "some people" I mean Ms. Nippy's firstborn son James), one also must give credit to a much improved and vigorous response to the environmental catastrophe in the Gulf.
So, let's review the bidding: First, the decision to keep the unflappable retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen in place as national incident commander, in spite of considerable opposition from some local politicians, has proven to be wise.
Second, when Attorney General Eric Holder announced a criminal investigation into the BP disaster, it was a demonstration that the Obama administration meant business in dealing with this catastrophe.
Third, the establishment of the $20 billion restitution fund administered by Ken Feinberg was the ultimate statement of the seriousness with which this situation was being addressed by the administration.
Fourth, people who have deep knowledge of the events in the Gulf give substantial credit to Energy Secretary Steven Chu and other experts from government labs who were brought in to assist with the successful capping of the well.
We in the Gulf region, in particular those of us in Louisiana, have a long way to go. We need our government to remain vigilant in addressing this. We need a lot of research into the science of the effects of the spill. And in the words of Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, we need to continue to have the heel of our boot on the neck of BP.
All of us in the region need to stay vigilant and aggressive in being sure that the inevitable "It's time to move on" mentality does not set in. Trust me. The last thing we need to do is move on until our precious coastline is both restored and renewed.
I don't know many people -- and no Democrats -- who were as tough on the Obama administration as I was when the oil started gushing.
But for now I'll take Mississippi governor -- and chairman of the Republican Governors' Association -- Haley Barbour saying President Obama has "done more right than wrong." In fact, I'll up Gov. Barbour's bid one and say that as of late, President Obama has done a lot more right than wrong.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/05/carville.obama.bp/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/05/carville.obama.bp/index.html?hpt=T1)
An opinion piece I can agree with! :yes:
Hey BP, what do you get when you pump in cement into the top of a pipe and pump in cement into the bottom of the same pipe?
Dumbass, you get a large air bubble in the center of the pipe line.
You say you sealed it forever, we'll see. Another question, if you complete the releif wells are you going to pump that oil now or waite until thing cool down and then pump. What if the new wells blow out. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I believe they would have to obtain a permit to pump that oil from the relief wells. . . and no one is getting one until they come up with a validated remediation plan for catastrophic failures!!!
Quote from: Palehorse on August 06, 2010, 09:48:38 AM
I believe they would have to obtain a permit to pump that oil from the relief wells. . . and no one is getting one until they come up with a validated remediation plan for catastrophic failures!!!
Would they look at it as necessary since they are relief wells though? You know, if we don't pump it will blow again type of song and dance. Could it possibly blow again if they don't pump the relief wells?
Quote from: me on August 06, 2010, 10:18:35 AM
Would they look at it as necessary since they are relief wells though? You know, if we don't pump it will blow again type of song and dance. Could it possibly blow again if they don't pump the relief wells?
The relief wells are SUPPOSED to go down and through the pipe and casing, then be utilized to pump concrete into the bottom of the downtube and the surrounding void in order to reinforce it and prevent blow out and weaknesses. . . Supposed to. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on August 06, 2010, 12:11:14 PM
The relief wells are SUPPOSED to go down and through the pipe and casing, then be utilized to pump concrete into the bottom of the downtube and the surrounding void in order to reinforce it and prevent blow out and weaknesses. . . Supposed to. . .
Once that cutting head goes through the well casing wall, the new well recieve all of that oil and some estimate 18,000 psi pressure.
That is why I said, what if the new wells blow out preventer don't work and all of that 18,000 psi of pressure come slamming back up thought the new well casings.
ANOTHER oil rig has exploded in the Gulf, 90 miles south of Vermillion Bay. 13 people in the water in survival suits - one injured - Coast Guard is on the way out. . . :spooked:
:mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 02, 2010, 11:37:29 AM
ANOTHER oil rig has exploded in the Gulf, 90 miles south of Vermillion Bay. 13 people in the water in survival suits - one injured - Coast Guard is on the way out. . . :spooked:
Awwwwwwwww. You're kidding me? Can't be. With the Washington regulators partying and the rest deregulated by the last president and his party. Awwwwwwwwww can't be.
All these "accidents" all of a sudden are beginning to look a little suspicious.
Quote from: me on September 02, 2010, 12:01:58 PM
All these "accidents" all of a sudden are beginning to look a little suspicious.
It's called lax oversight.
Quote from: me on September 02, 2010, 12:01:58 PM
All these "accidents" all of a sudden are beginning to look a little suspicious.
Yeah, your on to something, it's those damn Democrats SWAT teams rowing out there, planting bombs so they can raise the price of oil and make the economy worse. That's what it is.
Have you seen the commercial where the three dummies hired by the oil companies saying that raising the taxes of the oil companies will destroy the economy.
Well, BP after paying all of the over priced upper management and ALL OF THEIR EXPENCES, damage claims, the poor little bitty company, only made $5,998 million in profit. Damn, their about broke. :wink: :smile:
Quote from: The Troll on September 02, 2010, 11:54:08 AM
Awwwwwwwww. You're kidding me? Can't be. With the Washington regulators partying and the rest deregulated by the last president and his party. Awwwwwwwwww can't be.
yeah Troll, I'm sure this TOO is Bush's fault.....that seems to be your answer for just about everything...
Seems to be a fairly accurate answer.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 02, 2010, 12:41:15 PM
Seems to be a fairly accurate answer.
Not necessarily accurate but certainly convenient.
I'm tellin' you, it is those extreme environmentalists, they didn't get what they wanted with the first explosion so they just keep going. :icon_twisted:
According to Mariner Energy's website, the company engages in deepwater drilling in the gulf, including "higher-risk, high-impact projects that have the potential to create substantial value for our stockholders."
Well that's what it's all about, right? :mad:
Yup. . . drill baby, drill - spill baby, spill - kill baby, kill!
Quote from: me on September 02, 2010, 12:45:56 PM
Not necessarily accurate but certainly convenient.
Not accurate to the under 80 IQ crowd who feed off of the tripe that Faux news distributes.
If the beaches all along the Gulf Coast are clean and safe, then what happened to the oil? was it as bad as thought?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 02, 2010, 12:20:59 PM
yeah Troll, I'm sure this TOO is Bush's fault.....that seems to be your answer for just about everything...
No, It's not George W. fault. It's the damn Republican Party fault. The greedy bastards who worship the almighty dollar. Who worship the predatory stealing super rich capitalist.
Who have stole trillions of dollars in the banks and stock market. Got us into two, 1 trillion dollar wars and killed thousands of our young people and crippling many more thousands over nothing but lies.
No it wasn't George W. fault, hell he isn't that smart. He was a damn poor business man and daddy pulled his ass out of trouble two or three times. Plus a damn poor governor of Texas. He was nothing but a hand puppet for the Republican Party. And "NO" he's not going to get any credit for the surge. We should not have been there.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 02, 2010, 02:41:14 PM
If the beaches all along the Gulf Coast are clean and safe, then what happened to the oil? was it as bad as thought?
Yes Hawk :chick: It is as bad as we thought. The ocean hide it's dead very well. But we have you to stand up for the large polluting corporations. It's to bad you didn't have a shrimp boat down there and had you life tore up. BP lied to us from the start of that well they dug down there. All lies. We need to cut their taxes for being such a good liars. Lie, cheat, pollute and let's cut their taxes. Let's do the Hawk :chick: way.
Quote from: The Troll on September 02, 2010, 02:48:13 PM
No, It's not George W. fault. It's the damn Republican Party fault. The greedy bastards who worship the almighty dollar. Who worship the predatory stealing super rich capitalist.
Who have stole trillions of dollars in the banks and stock market. Got us into two, 1 trillion dollar wars and killed thousands of our young people and crippling many more thousands over nothing but lies.
No it wasn't George W. fault, hell he isn't that smart. He was a damn poor business man and daddy pulled his ass out of trouble two or three times. Plus a damn poor governor of Texas. He was nothing but a hand puppet for the Republican Party. And "NO" he's not going to get any credit for the surge. We should not have been there.
Troll, this is an old topic, but I would like YOUR take on this.....
Bill Clinton himself believed Iraq WAS a real problem and we needed to take action.....
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998Bill Clinton went to the Pentagon on this occasion to be briefed by top military officials about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction.
"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998This is a quote from Albright during an appearance at Ohio State University by Albright, who was Secretary of State for Bill Clinton.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998This was at the same Ohio State University appearance as Madeline Albright.
"
We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998-Truth!
You see Troll you guys swallowed the kool-ade, and "forgot" about the REAL danger we faced....and Bush had the integrity to take action...
and by the way, that WHOLE war cost less money than Obama's democrats has spent in 18 months..
Quote from: The Troll on September 02, 2010, 02:56:18 PM
Yes Hawk :chick: It is as bad as we thought. The ocean hide it's dead very well. But we have you to stand up for the large polluting corporations. It's to bad you didn't have a shrimp boat down there and had you life tore up. BP lied to us from the start of that well they dug down there. All lies. We need to cut their taxes for being such a good liars. Lie, cheat, pollute and let's cut their taxes. Let's do the Hawk :chick: way.
then WHY is Obama telling Americans that the beaches are clean and safe?....what is up? is he lying? or is he in th back pocket of BP?...is it clean or not?
Oil slick has been sighted at this latest oil rig explosion!
Quote from: Palehorse on September 02, 2010, 03:05:20 PM
Oil slick has been sighted at this latest oil rig explosion!
I gotta agree with Anne here, we went forever without an oil rig explosion, now we have two in less than five months?
something fishy here.....
What's fishy is that they do not have control over the whole process and are inept at mitigating the results of their inability. It's either that or they just do not care and are taking shortcuts or deviating from established protocols in pursuit of even greater profit! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 02, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
What's fishy is that they do not have control over the whole process and are inept at mitigating the results of their inability. It's either that or they just do not care and are taking shortcuts or deviating from established protocols in pursuit of even greater profit! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
or someone is "causing" this to happen....to push a political agenda....two times in five months?...what happened to the Oil Moritorium?....I thought they was going to fix everything so this would not happen again......those workers are STILL getting screwed by the moritorium while they are out "fixing" this :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 02, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
Troll, this is an old topic, but I would like YOUR take on this.....
Bill Clinton himself believed Iraq WAS a real problem and we needed to take action.....
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
Bill Clinton went to the Pentagon on this occasion to be briefed by top military officials about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction.
"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
This is a quote from Albright during an appearance at Ohio State University by Albright, who was Secretary of State for Bill Clinton.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
This was at the same Ohio State University appearance as Madeline Albright.
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998-Truth!
You see Troll you guys swallowed the kool-ade, and "forgot" about the REAL danger we faced....and Bush had the integrity to take action...
and by the way, that WHOLE war cost less money than Obama's democrats has spent in 18 months..
Fuck Bill Clinton, he's been out of office 91/2 years. You assholes stuck us with this these wars and your trying to get off the hook. No way Hawk :chick: There were no weapons of mass destruction of war and the Republican party knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. :chick: :flap: :flap:
Quote from: The Troll on September 02, 2010, 05:09:34 PM
Fuck Bill Clinton, he's been out of office 91/2 years. You assholes stuck us with this these wars and your trying to get off the hook. No way Hawk :chick: There were no weapons of mass destruction of war and the Republican party knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. :chick: :flap: :flap:
Uh, slow down Troll he we using Clinton's information which, as you can see, say's
QuoteBill Clinton himself believed Iraq WAS a real problem and we needed to take action.....
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
Bill Clinton went to the Pentagon on this occasion to be briefed by top military officials about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction.
Now come down off that and chill before you have a coronary. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on September 02, 2010, 05:09:34 PM
Fuck Bill Clinton, he's been out of office 91/2 years. You assholes stuck us with this these wars and your trying to get off the hook. No way Hawk :chick: There were no weapons of mass destruction of war and the Republican party knew there were no weapons of mass destruction. :chick: :flap: :flap:
Troll, if you want I can provide evidence that MOST of the democrats during the end of Clintons administration, was convinced that Iraq HAD WMD's...Bush, had the same intelligence, and after 9/11, he was NOT going to take any chances...and remember CONGRESS voted FOR the war...
I'm not saying that the war was handled properly, but war was decided upon by both parties, just the dems decided to bail out when things got tough and used it against Bush to get back into control...and THAT is a FACT.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 02, 2010, 03:14:54 PM
What's fishy is that they do not have control over the whole process and are inept at mitigating the results of their inability. It's either that or they just do not care and are taking shortcuts or deviating from established protocols in pursuit of even greater profit! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Well, we can all rest easy now. Limpjaws has it all figured out and says to just leave it alone and it will take care of itself! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
http://gawker.com/5529289/rush-limbaugh-oil-spill-was-deliberate-act-by-environmentalists
Oh, Rush. While everyone is focused on the environmental and economic impact of the oil rig explosion and subsequent spill, Limbaugh has his own theory: the rig was blown up by "hardcore environmentalist wackos."
President Obama just made some remarks on the topic. He said, according to AFP, that the spill was "a massive and potentially unprecedented environmental disaster," and added that "BP is responsible for this leak. BP will be paying the bill."
But Rush has arrived at a very different culprit. Here, via WWLTV in Louisiana, is the big guy's theory as aired on his Thursday show. We'd advise you put on a tinfoil hat before reading it, just to get into the spirit of things.
I want to get back to the timing of the blowing up, the explosion out there in the Gulf of Mexico of this oil rig. Since they're sending SWAT teams down there now this changes the whole perspective of this. Now, lest we forget, ladies and gentlemen, the carbon tax bill, cap and trade that was scheduled to be announced on Earth Day. I remember that. And then it was postponed for a couple of days later after Earth Day, and then of course immigration has now moved in front of it.
But this bill, the cap-and-trade bill, was strongly criticized by hardcore environmentalist wackos because it supposedly allowed more offshore drilling and nuclear plants, nuclear plant investment. So, since they're sending SWAT teams down there, folks, since they're sending SWAT teams to inspect the other rigs, what better way to head off more oil drilling, nuclear plants, than by blowing up a rig? I'm just noting the timing here.
But handily we can thwart this mysterious cabal of environmentalists by doing... nothing. Because oil is supposed to be in the water:
You do survive these things. I'm not advocating don't care about it hitting the shore or coast and whatever you can do to keep it out of there is fine and dandy, but the ocean will take care of this on its own if it was left alone and was left out there," Limbaugh said. "It's natural. It's as natural as the ocean water is.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101110/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101110/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill)
White House altered drilling safety report
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 10, 2010, 04:20:43 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101110/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101110/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill)
White House altered drilling safety report
So what they should have printed the report of toilet paper so someone could have made some use of it. Another to do about nothing to help get BP off the grill. Is that all you got :chick:
So you're perfectly ok with the fact the report was altered. Is that what you're saying?
Quote from: me on November 10, 2010, 09:11:41 PM
So you're perfectly ok with the fact the report was altered. Is that what you're saying?
I don't think it was altered the way they say it was. If it was so what, does it change anything, No.
Ask them in Louisiana if it changes anything.
Quote from: The Troll on November 10, 2010, 10:14:35 PM
I don't think it was altered the way they say it was. If it was so what, does it change anything, No.
Please tell us ... how exactly was the report "altered"
Quote from: Olias on November 11, 2010, 08:09:24 AM
Please tell us ... how exactly was the report "altered"
Hell, she doesn't know, she just trying to slam Obama. She doesn't keep that close attention to the news. She just looks for the nearest straw to slam Obama.
Quote from: The Troll on November 11, 2010, 08:40:51 AM
Hell, she doesn't know, she just trying to slam Obama. She doesn't keep that close attention to the news. She just looks for the nearest straw to slam Obama.
I know. I was just calling attention to that.
Quote from: Olias on November 11, 2010, 08:09:24 AM
Please tell us ... how exactly was the report "altered"
The White House edited a drilling safety report in a way that made it falsely appear that scientists and experts supported the administration's six-month ban on new deep-water drilling....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
The White House edited a drilling safety report in a way that made it falsely appear that scientists and experts supported the administration's six-month ban on new deep-water drilling....
Not good enough Hank. That's just an opinion that you are regurgitating.
Show me the EXACT changes.
Quote from: Olias on November 11, 2010, 11:15:58 AM
Not good enough Hank. That's just an opinion that you are regurgitating.
Show me the EXACT changes.
The Interior Department's inspector general made this statement....and the Associated Press thought it was valid enough to print....what MORE do you want?
What exactly qualifies a story for you now? the AP is not good enough?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/10/inspector-drilling-moratorium-report-altered-white-house/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/10/inspector-drilling-moratorium-report-altered-white-house/)
Click here for a copy of the report (http://www.doioig.gov/images/stories/reports/pdf/DeepwaterMoratoriumPublic.pdf).
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2010, 11:23:25 AM
The Interior Department's inspector general made this statement....and the Associated Press thought it was valid enough to print....what MORE do you want?
What exactly qualifies a story for you now? the AP is not good enough?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/10/inspector-drilling-moratorium-report-altered-white-house/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/10/inspector-drilling-moratorium-report-altered-white-house/)
Click here for a copy of the report (http://www.doioig.gov/images/stories/reports/pdf/DeepwaterMoratoriumPublic.pdf).
No, it isn't.
Here's another opinion fro the article YOU posted that you failed to point out.
"The new inspector general report said Browner's staff
implied that scientists had endorsed the drilling moratorium, by raising a reference to peer review in the drilling safety report. At least one outside expert who was involved said he was convinced afterward that it wasn't a deliberate deception, and Interior Department officials told the inspector general they didn't deliberately make changes to cause confusion."
More hate mongering from The Republican hate squad looking for anything to make Obama look bad.
What is so funny they can't make it stick to Obama like they could Clinton. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Quote from: The Troll on November 11, 2010, 12:14:12 PM
More hate mongering from The Republican hate squad looking for anything to make Obama look bad.
What is so funny they can't make it stick to Obama like they could Clinton. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Troll, I'm not sure what you are talking about, but this last election, CLEARLY proved that America does not approve of our current political path....and it has NOTHING to do with "hate mongering"....it has MORE to do with Loving our Country....and NOT wanting it to continue down the path of spending and government intervention.....btw, Obama approval rating is around 43% now....I'm not sure how to respond back to you than just telling it like it is.
What was the rating of your guy who you voted for twice, George W. when he left office.
Quote from: The Troll on November 11, 2010, 06:16:14 PM
What was the rating of your guy who you voted for twice, George W. when he left office.
just about the same....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2010, 09:40:56 PM
just about the same....
Bull Crap!(CBS) President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml)
Quote from: Olias on November 12, 2010, 08:13:57 AM
Bull Crap!
(CBS) President Bush will leave office as one of the most unpopular departing presidents in history, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll showing Mr. Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml)
sure if you want to use CBS news..... :biggrin: :biggrin:
are you serious?
c'mon Olias, quit defending this guy....all decent polling agencies, clearly show he is around the 40% approval rating....He was well over 40% for his first 6 years, with most of that WELL over 50%....he did not get into the 30% until the last year and a half.....
so
Bull Crap! right back at ya!! :razz:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html (http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html)
Yes! Bull Crap!
You refuse to believe CBS news and then you post a chart from Rupert Murdoch's WSJ/Fox showing exactly what I posted.
Quote from: Olias on November 12, 2010, 11:43:09 AM
Yes! Bull Crap!
You refuse to believe CBS news and then you post a chart from Rupert Murdoch's WSJ/Fox showing exactly what I posted.
ditto...
So of all the ludicrous "reasons" for increasing the price of oil in this country the BIG OIL industry is now claiming that the drought is a reason for the recent increase in petroleum product pricing!
"Fracking" is apparently being gated by the lack of water availability across this nation, so now it has become a reason to increase oil prices. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 31, 2012, 11:25:11 AM
So of all the ludicrous "reasons" for increasing the price of oil in this country the BIG OIL industry is now claiming that the drought is a reason for the recent increase in petroleum product pricing!
"Fracking" is apparently being gated by the lack of water availability across this nation, so now it has become a reason to increase oil prices. . . :mad: :mad: :mad:
between that, Iran and the lack of corn...........they have plenty of excuses now to raise prices.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 31, 2012, 11:49:10 AM
between that, Iran and the lack of corn...........they have plenty of excuses now to raise prices.
A bird just farted outside my window; there's another one! :mad:
You tell if this is a con game. The price of gas by the interstate on 109 bypass in Anderson to day was $3.659 on the other end of the bypass at Cross street the gas was $3.159.
That 40 cents difference in 2 miles. We got 18 gallons of gas and saved $7.20. They sure got a good con game, don't they. :mad:
Quote from: The Troll on July 31, 2012, 10:42:58 PM
You tell if this is a con game. The price of gas by the interstate on 109 bypass in Anderson to day was $3.659 on the other end of the bypass at Cross street the gas was $3.159.
That 40 cents difference in 2 miles. We got 18 gallons of gas and saved $7.20. They sure got a good con game, don't they. :mad:
I agree, and that drives me CRAZY. Hey, wasn't Obama and his attorney General Eric Holder "supposed" to form a task force to investigate gas price gouging and speculation? What ever happened to that? I guess there IS NO price gouging, huh?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 01, 2012, 08:26:48 AM
I agree, and that drives me CRAZY. Hey, wasn't Obama and his attorney General Eric Holder "supposed" to form a task force to investigate gas price gouging and speculation? What ever happened to that? I guess there IS NO price gouging, huh?
Let's face it Henry, Big oil has bought both the Republicans and the Democrats. They give millions of dollare to both sides. :mad: Some of the oil companies pay no taxes make Billions of dollars in profits and still take Millions and Millions of dollars from us the tax payers and the Republicans keep it from happening, saying it a tax increase. :doh: Obama can't do shit with the corporations loving Republicans controlling the house of Representatives. :angry:
Also face it that nothing is going to be done until after the election. Your Republican Party would let America fall into a default and a depression to keep Obama a one term president. If you can't agree to that, you need to take your brain to the Geeks and have your memory chips restored. :wink: :smile:
Quote from: The Troll on August 01, 2012, 08:47:05 AM
Let's face it Henry, Big oil has bought both the Republicans and the Democrats. They give millions of dollare to both sides. :mad: Some of the oil companies pay no taxes make Billions of dollars in profits and still take Millions and Millions of dollars from us the tax payers and the Republicans keep it from happening, saying it a tax increase. :doh: Obama can't do shit with the corporations loving Republicans controlling the house of Representatives. :angry:
Also face it that nothing is going to be done until after the election. Your Republican Party would let America fall into a default and a depression to keep Obama a one term president. If you can't agree to that, you need to take your brain to the Geeks and have your memory chips restored. :wink: :smile:
I don't think it would be any different than if it was the other way around. Neither side is willing to give anything up. THAT is why I think Obama is the wrong person for the job. When he first took office, he made jokes about the republicans can go along for the ride, just to stay out of the way....he told his democrats if the repubs bring a knife to the fight, YOU bring a gun....
This is from the guy who said he was going to build bridges between the two parties and he was going to be more transparent....he failed.
He said he was going to end price gouging, he said he was going to form a task force and stop it. He knows how to talk, but he does not know how to actually make things happen. He is NOT a good leader. It is that simple.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 01, 2012, 09:02:53 AM
I don't think it would be any different than if it was the other way around. Neither side is willing to give anything up. THAT is why I think Obama is the wrong person for the job. When he first took office, he made jokes about the republicans can go along for the ride, just to stay out of the way....he told his democrats if the repubs bring a knife to the fight, YOU bring a gun....
This is from the guy who said he was going to build bridges between the two parties and he was going to be more transparent....he failed.
He said he was going to end price gouging, he said he was going to form a task force and stop it. He knows how to talk, but he does not know how to actually make things happen. He is NOT a good leader. It is that simple.
Well, the Golden Mitten is not the one for the job, that's for sure. Don't you realize that Mitt calls the rich oil people his friends and they run around in the same circles. kissing :kissit: each other ass to make more money and how to cut their taxes even more. The oil companies don't pay taxes and neither does Mitt. :haha: :haha: You sure know how to pick a leader who will clean your plow and mine and the American middle class. You sure don't know shit. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on August 01, 2012, 09:18:35 AM
Well, the Golden Mitten is not the one for the job, that's for sure. Don't you realize that Mitt calls the rich oil people his friends and they run around in the same circles. kissing :kissit: each other ass to make more money and how to cut their taxes even more. The oil companies don't pay taxes and neither does Mitt. :haha: :haha: You sure know how to pick a leader who will clean your plow and mine and the American middle class. You sure don't know shit. :wink: :biggrin:
You are good at slamming Romney, but can you be honest about Obama? Are YOU proud of his leadership abilities?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 01, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
You are good at slamming Romney, but can you be honest about Obama? Are YOU proud of his leadership abilities?
Yes, Yes sir. The only thing that I have not like about Obama is, he was stupid enough to try to get along with the Republicans. Not fight them as hard and nasty as they fought him at every turn. Yes, yes sir, you belong to the party of NO, NO, NO, NO.
Like your Turtle Man said, Turtle Head Mitch McConnell, "Our main job is to make Obama a one term president." Obama should have seen that this was war and the Republican Party was not going to help him out of the depression your wonderful George W. got us into. :doh: :doh: You have just drank too much of the Republican KoolAid. :koolaid: You're in the dark, :dark: and you couldn't find your ass with both hands. :wacko:
:haha: :zoners: :haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 01, 2012, 09:23:47 AM
....... can you be honest about Obama? Are YOU proud of his leadership abilities?
He could have done better. But he is still better than the alternative.
Quote from: Olias on August 01, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
He could have done better. But he is still better than the alternative.
and that is how I feel, as a conservative. We could have done better, but he is still better than the alternative.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 01, 2012, 10:33:07 AM
and that is how I feel, as a conservative. We could have done better, but he is still better than the alternative.
Did I hear you right. As a conservative Obama could have done better, but Obama is still better than the alternative, Mitt. :rant: :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: The Troll on August 01, 2012, 01:54:07 PM
Did I hear you right. As a conservative Obama could have done better, but Obama is still better than the alternative, Mitt. :rant: :wink: :biggrin:
PUT A NEW BATTERY IN YOU HEARING AID!... :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 01, 2012, 02:18:00 PM
PUT A NEW BATTERY IN YOU HEARING AID!... :razz:
The Senior Citizen Salute ...
(http://www.colourbox.com/preview/2192379-198644-male-senior-with-hand-on-ear-isolated-on-white-background.jpg)
Eh?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 01, 2012, 10:33:07 AM
And that is how I feel, as a conservative. We could have done better, but he is still better than the alternative.
Henry you twirp, you don't need a hearing aid to read your post, Bird Boy. How about you reading your answer again. You had to be talking about Obama. :haha: The boy need to go back to the first grade again. :haha: :haha: I say boy, make it clear what you're talking about. :wink: :biggrin:
A decision on whether Royal Dutch Shell can perform one of the first Arctic offshore oil drilling operations in recent memory is expected to come by Wednesday.
So lets see if Sarah's "Drill Baby, Drill" perspective holds up when they want to do exactly that, so close to home. :rolleyes:
In today's news said it was to dangerous to enter the site of the oil fire at Chevron huge refinery. Investigators could not enter to find out what cause the fire.
As you have see the price of gasoline has gone up. Not because of the lack of gasoline, but because of speculation. I think we need some new refineries built. We have to many eggs in one basket with the small number of "OLD" refineries we have. :yes: :yes: :rant:
I just came in from taking the pup out, and while we were out there two birds farted. That ought to be good for another 20 cents tomorrow.
Quote from: Palehorse on August 13, 2012, 10:01:10 PM
I just came in from taking the pup out, and while we were out there two birds farted. That ought to be good for another 20 cents tomorrow.
:thumbsup: :haha: :haha: :tiphat:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 12, 2012, 07:31:32 PM
A decision on whether Royal Dutch Shell can perform one of the first Arctic offshore oil drilling operations in recent memory is expected to come by Wednesday.
So lets see if Sarah's "Drill Baby, Drill" perspective holds up when they want to do exactly that, so close to home. :rolleyes:
(CNN) -- Royal Dutch Shell has begun preparatory drilling for an offshore oil well in the Arctic, the oil company announced Sunday, the first step in a long-controversial project.
U.S. authorities granted Shell permission to begin work on the well in the Chukchi Sea, about 90 miles off the Alaskan North Slope, in late August. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/09/us/arctic-oil/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/09/us/arctic-oil/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Drill baby, drill. Spill baby, spill. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on September 09, 2012, 04:50:23 PM
(CNN) -- Royal Dutch Shell has begun preparatory drilling for an offshore oil well in the Arctic, the oil company announced Sunday, the first step in a long-controversial project.
U.S. authorities granted Shell permission to begin work on the well in the Chukchi Sea, about 90 miles off the Alaskan North Slope, in late August. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/09/us/arctic-oil/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/09/us/arctic-oil/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
Drill baby, drill. Spill baby, spill. . .
That's pretty good. They can give permission for the Dutch to drill but we can't get permission here.
QuoteThe Obama administration gave Shell the green light to start "certain limited preparatory activities
Quote from: me on September 10, 2012, 07:28:36 AM
That's pretty good. They can give permission for the Dutch to drill but we can't get permission here.
Oh bullshit. You're spinning.
How is that spinning? Have you noticed any off shore drilling permits being issued for us lately?
Quote from: me on September 10, 2012, 08:26:30 AM
How is that spinning? Have you noticed any off shore drilling permits being issued for us lately?
Yeah, the Royal Dutch Shell permit for starters.
Everybody else knows that most of the big oil conglomerates are based in foreign countries for tax purposes. . . There's your spin. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on September 10, 2012, 08:46:27 AM
Yeah, the Royal Dutch Shell permit for starters.
Everybody else knows that most of the big oil conglomerates are based in foreign countries for tax purposes. . . There's your spin. . .
That would be for foreign oil and not oil from the US. The administration will not issue permits to drill here.
Quote from: me on September 10, 2012, 10:08:15 AM
That would be for foreign oil and not oil from the US. The administration will not issue permits to drill here.
Newsflash: Alaska is part of the U.S. and this
is domestic oil.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 10, 2012, 12:07:43 PM
Newsflash: Alaska is part of the U.S. and this is domestic oil.
She sure is a brain, isn't she. :haha:. Don't you just love it, those great big tar balls that the hurricane turned up. Is sure is fun going swimming with tar balls. ;
:haha:
:doh: Ok I guess I should have read the article instead of thinking Holland. :oops: :seeya2:
Quote from: me on September 10, 2012, 10:08:15 AM
That would be for foreign oil and not oil from the US. The administration will not issue permits to drill here.
WTF?????
Shell Oil Company is the United States-based subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell, a multinational oil company, with its U.S. head office is in Houston, Texas.
ExxonMobil, is an American multinational oil and gas corporation, with its U.S. Head office in Irving, Texas.
So in your mind the Deep-water Horizon incident was a foreign oil company too? :confused:
A Royal Dutch Shell oil drilling barge remained grounded Tuesday on an island off southern Alaska amid a fierce winter storm that hindered recovery efforts, Coast Guard and Alaskan authorities reported.
The Shell-owned rig Kulluk was being towed to Seattle when it began encountering trouble Sunday, the Coast Guard said. One tug needed help after its engines failed; a replacement had to cut the rig loose Monday night during a storm that whipped up 24-foot waves in the Gulf of Alaska.
The 266-foot rig ran aground off Sitkalidak Island, about 200 miles south of Anchorage, on Monday night. A joint command was set up to head off any possible environmental damage, but crews had not been able to confirm the Kulluk's condition Tuesday morning, those authorities reported.. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/01/us/alaska-drilling-rig/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/01/us/alaska-drilling-rig/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)
Drill baby, drill! Spill baby, spill!