Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

[Palehorse]

I understand what you are saying..............BUT, if Oil Companies believe it is worth something, and are willing to pay the price, go by strict guidlines to assure safety and plans to minimize oil spill problems,...and employ Americans to do so, then who cares about your pie charts and statistics....

these guys know if money is to be made or not.....if there is a market for it.

So they make hundreds of billions of dollars for 8 years, then the whole US oil production industry collapses once the oil runs out; leaving the oil pigs with riches and caring as much as they do right now about those left high and dry and the country's economic crises?

You are thinking short range and failing to take into account the long-ranging big picture here. That would be nothing more than a "quick fix" for a very small sector of the nations 4 million + unemployed, and only serve to delay an even worse economic disaster for our children and grandchildren to deal with. That's the exact line of thinking that got the US auto industry into the jam they find themselves in today!

[Henry Hawk]

So they make hundreds of billions of dollars for 8 years, then the whole US oil production industry collapses once the oil runs out; leaving the oil pigs with riches and caring as much as they do right now about those left high and dry and the country's economic crises?

You are thinking short range and failing to take into account the long-ranging big picture here. That would be nothing more than a "quick fix" for a very small sector of the nations 4 million + unemployed, and only serve to delay an even worse economic disaster for our children and grandchildren to deal with. That's the exact line of thinking that got the US auto industry into the jam they find themselves in today!

but you said that it would take several years before it was able to be used....I realize that is not LONG term, but my point is, these guys will only do it if it is profitable.....despite your sources statistics......

I'm not conveying my meaning very well here....

[Palehorse]

but you said that it would take several years before it was able to be used....I realize that is not LONG term, but my point is, these guys will only do it if it is profitable.....despite your sources statistics......

I'm not conveying my meaning very well here....

Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration from Oil and Gas Journal.  It doesn't get much better than that.

8 years is how long it would take to use it up. Making 2018 the end of the resource, in the 58th year of your life, should we achieve top level production rates this year.

Of course it is profitable, how else do you think 4 of the top 5 profit achieving companies in the United States last year were big oil entities? And they'll KEEP those profits and utilize them to increase foreign oil interests as a hedge against the end of the resource in the United States, and continue to profit, while the US drowns because we chose to endorse the short term fix instead of exploring alternative energy resources.

[The Troll]

If that is true, ( and I am not denying that) then Oil Companies will not waste their time to do so..... I think we should offer tax incentives to these companies, to KEEP it AMERICAN.

  What a dumbass, give the poor oil companies a tax break?  They make, like "B" Billion and Billions of dollars every year and you want to give a tax break and drive us deeper and deeper in debt to help the the oil companies worth billions and billions dollars.  You must be totally

  What in hell is wrong with you.  Ever since I've been on the forum all you have cried about is the money Obama is spending in taxpayer money to save us from a Hoover type depression and you want to give the oil companies a tax break    What a F*#king clown.

  You are totally unbelievable and your intelligence in worlcly manners is also unbelievable.  Henry, if you had your tongue notarized, I wouldn't believe a work that came off of it.

  I just don't get it.  You don't want big government regulations on corportions, you don't healthcare for the people of America, you don't want money spent to save us from a depression.  But you want to give the oil companies a tax break.    :Jester:

[Henry Hawk]

   But you want to give the oil companies a tax break.    :Jester:

To create thousand and thousands of jobs to folks who in return will pay taxes, that they currently are not paying at all....THAT helps the economy return to good time again.


why is this so hard to understand?


This country NEEDS jobs from the private sector, to restore this nation.....NOT, more gov jobs and handouts.


LESS gov - GOOD! 
MORE gov - BAD! 

MORE private sector jobs - GOOD! 
LESS private sector jobs - BAD! 

simple, really! 

[The Troll]

To create thousand and thousands of jobs to folks who in return will pay taxes, that they currently are not paying at all....THAT helps the economy return to good time again.


why is this so hard to understand?


This country NEEDS jobs from the private sector, to restore this nation.....NOT, more gov jobs and handouts.


LESS gov - GOOD! 
MORE gov - BAD! 

MORE private sector jobs - GOOD! 
LESS private sector jobs - BAD! 

simple, really! 

  You poor pathetic, Anarchism whorshiping dumbass.  Would someone out there please me,  give at least one Amen.

[me]

  You poor pathetic, Anarchism whorshiping dumbass.  Would someone out there please me,  give at least one Amen.

Uh, Troll anarchy is no government not less government.  No one on here has said anything about no government at all but somewhere in the middle would be a good thing and we are swinging waaaaaay over toward too much government.

[The Troll]

Uh, Troll anarchy is no government not less government.  No one on here has said anything about no government at all but somewhere in the middle would be a good thing and we are swinging waaaaaay over toward too much government.

  Take every post he has made and it comes out, he doesn't want any government.  Taxes, he only want to pay taxes on that he wants to, like the taxes he pays to his church.  He would settle for a Theocracy Dictatorship, if his religion was running the thing and we were worshing his god and his holy ghosties.

   If we were swinging waaaaaaaaaay over toward too much government, it was under your precious George W. and Prick Cheney.  And you voted for them twice and John McCain and SARA PALIN once.  WHAT A RECORD IN COMMON SENSE!

[me]

  Take every post he has made and it comes out, he doesn't want any government.  Taxes, he only want to pay taxes on that he wants to, like the taxes he pays to his church.  He would settle for a Theocracy Dictatorship, if his religion was running the thing and we were worshing his god and his holy ghosties.

   If we were swinging waaaaaaaaaay over toward too much government, it was under your precious George W. and Prick Cheney.  And you voted for them twice and John McCain and SARA PALIN once.  WHAT A RECORD IN COMMON SENSE!

Ya, and I was stupid enough to vote for that dumb ass Carter too.....

[The Troll]

Ya, and I was stupid enough to vote for that dumb ass Carter too.....

  Yeah, I was a dumbass too.  It was the only time I ever did it.  I voted Republican and it was for Reagan.  I have kick my ass for that many times.  Especially when I have to admit it.

[The Troll]

Blow out preventers.

  Palhorse, did you read THB newspaper today.  BP is going to try one of old Troll's ideas of pumping hot water and antifreeze down into a smaller casein.  To keep the methane ice  from forming.

  I sure hope it works.  I don't think pumping golf balls and shreaded up tires would do to much, to stop the leak.

  Troll  to stop the leak.

[Palehorse]

  Palhorse, did you read THB newspaper today.  BP is going to try one of old Troll's ideas of pumping hot water and antifreeze down into a smaller casein.  To keep the methane ice  from forming.

  I sure hope it works.  I don't think pumping golf balls and shreaded up tires would do to much, to stop the leak.

  Troll  to stop the leak.

Yes. Somewhere I said they must have been reading your postings. 

[Palehorse]

BP and Transocean leadership are pointing fingers at each other surrounding who is to blame for the 210,000 gallons a day still spewing into the gulf due to the explosion of Deep-water Horizon; in front of the feds this day. BP is inferring construction failures or short-cuts by Transocean and Transocean is inferring failure to comply with safety and operations procedures. . .

Already, BP is dancing when directly asked by congress whether they will pay for the damages to the shrimp industry and its brand. "We will pay all legitimate claims" or "question mark" was all BP would say. . . And that "question mark" response was to some very key questions!

As of this second I am no longer going to be purchasing BP fuels for my personal vehicles. (Tough luck Rickers). BP owned the rig and was responsible for the operation of same. BP needs to dig and dig deep into those billions of dollars in revenue they've been generating over the last decade, and pay for this in its entirety.

If Transcon has responsibility for what transpired then that is a matter for litigation between BP and Transocean, and should hold no influence upon the current problem and BP's responsibility for it. Moreover, ALL offshore drilling should be banned within US territorial waters, until the drivers for this incident are fully understood and remediated!

[Henry Hawk]

I don't think that is being unreasonable to find out WHAT happened and WHY it happened....and I would even go along with halting off-shore until a solution is put in place to see to it that this does not happen again....I will even agree that BP and/or Transocean needs to see to it that this problem is fixed and fixed soon....boycotting might be a great way to show them how we feel....I may be surprising you with this stance, and even though I am 100% in favor of off shore drilling and any kind of drilling for that mater....I think we have GOT to put safety first....I agree, BP can do wonders for their image, if they would simply, fix this situation by being accountable and belly up to all costs....also, take charge in assuring this can never happen again...and put in all precautionary measures to fullfil this threat....I think on the long run it would only help with any future prospects of utilizing US oil.

[kimmi]

I wonder if this disaster has changed people's mind on Sarah "Drill baby drill" Palin?

I agree with Troll about using the Nasa people to use their wits to help the situation, but I would like to see at least half of them working on other forms of energy to replace oil.