Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

[Palehorse]

Whatever your answer please describe your reasoning for it.

[The Troll]

  After 42 years of drilling with no major accidents, I feel with the proper equipment, it could be possible.

  Drilling in 5000 feet of water and then drilling 1,800 feet into such a high pressure oil pool was just way above the present drilling methods.  Also without the proper safety methods in place, in case of a spill, thing got really bad, really quick.

  Right now NASA is being closed down on some of it programs, like returning to the Moon and the space shuttle.  I feel that since we have all of these great minds in one location and are about to be terminated.  I think their mind should be put to use to find a safer way of drilling.  I know it can be done, especially with rocket scientists.  We have to do something and do it now.

  The idea of drill baby dill, any where, any time has to be replaced with.  Smart drilling, smart drilling.

The Troll  

[me]

Now this is scary, Troll and I agree on something.    Was that sound I heard hell freezing over?     

[Henry Hawk]

Now this is scary, Troll and I agree on something.    Was that sound I heard hell freezing over?     

HOLLY CRAP!!!....SAME HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..................I heard that sound me!!!.........

[The Troll]

Now this is scary, Troll and I agree on something.    Was that sound I heard hell freezing over?     

  I must say I glad I made your day.

  Another thing I think is very stupid about BP's oil spill.  They only had one, just 1 emergency shut off valve.  A B2 Stealth Bomber has 4 computers.  Knock out 1 and it still flies.  Knock out the second one and it still flies.  Knock out the third computer and it still flies.  Knock out the 4th and the last one, the pilot bails out.  Millions and Millions dollars were spent on this oil rig and it only had 1 emergency shut off valve.   We should   BP  The Troll

[me]

But I don't think it would have mattered if they had had 50 shut off's if the leak happened below the lowest shut off.

My first thought was "where is Red Adair when you need him"  then I remembered he just did the fires, so much for that thought.

[Palehorse]

  After 42 years of drilling with no major accidents, I feel with the proper equipment, it could be possible.

  Drilling in 5000 feet of water and then drilling 1,800 feet into such a high pressure oil pool was just way above the present drilling methods.  Also without the proper safety methods in place, in case of a spill, thing got really bad, really quick.

  Right now NASA is being closed down on some of it programs, like returning to the Moon and the space shuttle.  I feel that since we have all of these great minds in one location and are about to be terminated.  I think their mind should be put to use to find a safer way of drilling.  I know it can be done, especially with rocket scientists.  We have to do something and do it now.

  The idea of drill baby dill, any where, any time has to be replaced with.  Smart drilling, smart drilling.

The Troll  

I also have to agree with this thinking, and by sheer coincidence the POTUS said these very things surrounding the topic during his campaign. I have also read where the new drilling has been put onto hold pending an in depth review of safety and environmental requirements.

Your idea surrounding redundant controls sprang to my mind as soon as I heard they only had one in place, and I follow your line of reasoning and validation exactly! WTF are they thinking??? Oh, that's right, they aren't.

I also understand that "caps" have been placed onto the amount the company will have to pay for damages to companies and people, at 75 million. And before anyone goes off on a tangent here, that was done twenty or so years ago following the Exxon Valdez debacle. (They are on the hook for the clean up and control 100%).

What this means is that the shrimping/fishing and other industries will all be in line before the private citizens, to file claims against BP once the damages are totaled, and once the 75 million is reached everyone left in line will be SOL. Now that's just a face value interpretation of the legislation, and I am sure the resulting litigation will clarify or even modify the parameters. I am thinking however, that this little piece of legislative crap is overdue for review and modification, and it is a damned shame that private citizens are going to end up being the latest in a lONG line of victims this stupidity is going to negatively impact.

The other part of this is the economical impact this crap is ALREADY driving. Diesel went up 20 cents a gallon over it. The "bailout fund" for these circumstances (also created following the EV incident 20 years ago) will be utilized to offset any government funding necessary to remediate the resulting problems, but the problem I have with that is do you realize where that money came from? An 8 cent a gallon tax imposed upon all fuel sales, so its our money being used to mop up BP's huge mistake, and while they and their ilk comprise 4 of the top 5 top profit generating industries in the country.

Anyone want to guess who is number one? Yeah, that's right, BP! 

ALL of the revenues required to remediate this problem should come directly from BP's coffers. They make billions, no tens of billions every friggin year on our backs!

[The Troll]

  Come on Palehorse, give me a break.  It was Obama's fault.  He was slow going down there and looking at it, come on you know if he had went earlier he could have stop all of this mess.  He was the one who limited BP liability for the cost of this oil spill and he ok'd the drilling this well.

  Come on Palehorse,   give up you really know its Obama's fault.  Just watch Fox News and you will find out the truth.  Just give up.   


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[me]

Sorry Troll but Fox hasn't said a thing to indicate it's Obama's fault or that he was too slow to act.  What they have said it the same thing HH said, that had it been Bush the Dem's would have been screaming big time.

[Palehorse]

Sorry Troll but Fox hasn't said a thing to indicate it's Obama's fault or that he was too slow to act.  What they have said it the same thing HH said, that had it been Bush the Dem's would have been screaming big time.

And you'd know, having the network on all 5 of your TV's in your home 24/7/365. . .

[me]

Wrong, our TV is on approx 4hrs during the evening for the most part and 2 to 3 of that is either movies or music DVD's.  We do occasionally turn it on for a few in the morning or when we eat lunch but we are not avid TV watchers.  Yes, we watch Beck and O'Reilly and Beck backs up what he has to say with fact and is neither Republican or Democrat and bad mouths Bush pretty bad at times also O'Reilly, for the most part, defends Obama quite a bit.  Food for thought here.  Did Bush go on a tangent about Air America, Cindy Sheehan,  Michael Moore, Rosie O, or any of the people who spoke out against him when he was in office and want them taken off the air?  Did he close the park across from the White House when there were demonstrations against him so the media couldn't take pictures for their reports on it?  Did he call those people hate mongers and racists just because they disagreed with him? 

[Sandy Eggo]

You are not only drinking koolaid, but riding down the koolaide river if you think that Beck has anymore integrity than the rest of them.

[Palehorse]

You are not only drinking koolaid, but riding down the koolaide river if you think that Beck has anymore integrity than the rest of them.

[me]

You just keep right on thinking that.  I suppose you think Bill Maher does. 

[Henry Hawk]

can i have an amen!!!...