Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

[Palehorse]

The lying oil pigs said there was only 5000 barrels a day coming from that gusher, but right now they are siphoning off 5000 barrels a day and the plume has only marginally been reduced! 

Liars!

[Henry Hawk]

The lying oil pigs said there was only 5000 barrels a day coming from that gusher, but right now they are siphoning off 5000 barrels a day and the plume has only marginally been reduced! 

Liars!

where are you getting your info?....BP is only claiming to siphon 3,000 barrels a day....according to thier own site...and they are close to beginning to cap it with mud and cement...

I say give these guys a chance to make this right.....everybody has slammed them from the beggining...and they have said they WILL pay for this and will not stop until they remedy this......I know it does suck....but, this is only the third incident in over 50 years....that is what T Boone Pickens said....we are NOT yet in a position to NOT drill, so in the mean time we ALL need oil.....THAT is our alternative at this time....until we DO find another source.....I think our gov needs to quit pointing fingers and assist in fixing this.....

[Palehorse]

where are you getting your info?....BP is only claiming to siphon 3,000 barrels a day....according to thier own site...and they are close to beginning to cap it with mud and cement...

I say give these guys a chance to make this right.....everybody has slammed them from the beggining...and they have said they WILL pay for this and will not stop until they remedy this......I know it does suck....but, this is only the third incident in over 50 years....that is what T Boone Pickens said....we are NOT yet in a position to NOT drill, so in the mean time we ALL need oil.....THAT is our alternative at this time....until we DO find another source.....I think our gov needs to quit pointing fingers and assist in fixing this.....

They need and deserve slamming. They've paid out 75 million in "claims" as of Monday of this week. . . We'll see how much more they pay. . . I'm betting the horror stories will piss off a priest after it is all said and done. . .

. . .BP announced Thursday that it is siphoning about 5,000 barrels of oil a day from the damaged well, but more crude is still escaping into the sea.
Spokesman Mark Proegler declined to estimate how much more oil was escaping after Thursday's new estimate from its undersea collection effort.. . .
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/20/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T2

The above from an article announcing that the EPA has ordered BP to use another type of dispersant than the most toxic one on their listing. . . Again, proving BP doesn't give a damn about our environment, our wildlife, or our people. They just want the billions in profit, bottom line and don't care who they run over to achieve it!

The announcement surrounding the BPD increase has been all over the media. . .

[Henry Hawk]

you may be right, but I don't see where BP has anything to gain by NOT fixing this problem...those guys are smart enough to realize that IF, they can make things right, it will only make them MORE profitable when this is all said and done.....imo....

I know they can NEVER make things 100% right....there is damage done that can never be fixed....but, they can stand up and be accountable................the bad thing is how many folks are going to TRY to make claims from them that have NO business claiming?  Where does it stop?

[Palehorse]

That is not the point; the point is had they been following SOP's and demonstrated due diligence in their daily operations this would not have happened in the first place, and should not have happened.

They are screaming accident when it is something a lot more insidious; shortcuts and deviations.

When the blow out preventer spit a key component out through the stream and onto the deck just weeks prior to this incident, they should have shut it down and fixed it; they did not.

When the safety devices designed to back up a potential blow out preventer failure, lost 50% or more of its capacity to do the task it was designed to do they should have shut down and fixed it; they did not. (For several weeks prior to this incident).

[Palehorse]

Anyone else see the segment 60 Minutes did on this last night? It pissed me off to learn about the events that transpired just prior to the explosion, and that BP could have prevented this whole thing. . .

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6490348n&tag=api

U need to watch this Hank. Hear about all this from the mouths of an employee and a key, well respected, investigator with full access to all information. . . 

[The Troll]

That is not the point; the point is had they been following SOP's and demonstrated due diligence in their daily operations this would not have happened in the first place, and should not have happened. They are screaming accident when it is something a lot more insidious; shortcuts and deviations. When the blow out preventer spit a key component out through the stream and onto the deck just weeks prior to this incident, they should have shut it down and fixed it; they did not. When the safety devices designed to back up a potential blow out preventer failure, lost 50% or more of its capacity to do the task it was designed to do they should have shut down and fixed it; they did not. (For several weeks prior to this incident).

  BP has lied from the begining.  You couldn't trust them if their tongues were notarized.

  Just to think the oil slick is now in the wet lands of Louisiana.  Just think it use to be the best fish in the country.  In and around the oil platforms, the fish just loved them.  As you know fish love structure and with all of those legs the fish had everything.

  My wife and I use to go to Gulf Shores Al.  every year and we would take our boat out to the oil platforms and fish.  It's a shame that all of this is going away.  I wonder how many of those big Red fish and Red Snappers BP has killed. 

[Henry Hawk]

That is not the point; the point is had they been following SOP's and demonstrated due diligence in their daily operations this would not have happened in the first place, and should not have happened.

do you think they WANTED it to happen?............did you know that last year MMS (federal Minerals Management Service) awarded the rig an award for its safety history.....to think that BP intentionally allowed something of this nature to happed is outrageous.....

[Sandy Eggo]

I hope this works and is the same video that I just watched. I thought it was a joke, I think it was the bibs but this looks like it could work.

It might be pricy and I'm not sure how they would dispose of the hay w/out more pollution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5=xX21ntEo

If it doesn't work try

http://www.triplepundit.com/2010/05/hay-solution-bp-oil-spill-clean-up-florida/

The video is at the bottom

[Henry Hawk]

I like this story about Kevin Costner and HIS efforts....this is a very interesting Idea, that BP is going to try....

http://news.spreadit.org/kevin-costner-oil-spill/

Kevin Costner Oil Spill – Kevin Costner has been extremely vocal with his thoughts on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster that took place over a month ago. He feels that the situation is not being handled correctly, and gave an opinion that differs from those of many experts. Costner has been in charge of the construction of oil separation machines. He has been working on the project to prepare for another large oil spill, which is exactly what we have on our hands now.
Costner was heavily affected by the lasting effects of the Valdez oil spill in Alaska in 1989, and decided that he would like to invest money toward a solution for the problem.

Reportedly, Costner, who is an environmentalist and fisherman, saw the spill when it originally happened and didn't like the fact that there is currently no way to separate oil easily from the watter that it has spilled into. His brother, Dan, is a scientists who has been working on the project with him and recently spent some time in New Orleans observing the situation.


Doug Suttles, the Chief Operating Officer of BP recently approved up to six machines for testing their validity in the current situation. The machines are giant vacuum machines that are able to suck the oil from out of the water, and then separate the oil and water from one another. The oil is then stored in its own container, with the water, which is 99.9 purified at that point, back into the ocean.
"I'm very happy the light of day has come to this," said Costner, who has spent 15 years working on the project during a news conference in New Orleans. "That is why it's developed."
"It's prepared to go out and solve problems, not talk about them," he said in reference to the technology he has invested millions of dollars in.

[The Troll]

do you think they WANTED it to happen?............did you know that last year MMS (federal Minerals Management Service) awarded the rig an award for its safety history.....to think that BP intentionally allowed something of this nature to happed is outrageous.....

  Oh, I know they didn't want it to happen, because it's going to cost them a lot of money.

  But, ONE SAFETY VALVE.  One safety valve that was marginally functional, with a poor record of working correctly.  Why one, because it was to save them some money.

  Then on top of that BP found parts of the valve coming up with the drilling mud.  Henry would you keep driving your car, if you found metal shavings on you oil dip stick.  The way you defend the large corporations, you probably drive it until you threw a rod through the block, totally destroying your engine.  Because you hoped it wouldn't happen.

[Henry Hawk]

  Oh, I know they didn't want it to happen, because it's going to cost them a lot of money.

  But, ONE SAFETY VALVE.  One safety valve that was marginally functional, with a poor record of working correctly.  Why one, because it was to save them some money.

  Then on top of that BP found parts of the valve coming up with the drilling mud.  Henry would you keep driving your car, if you found metal shavings on you oil dip stick.  The way you defend the large corporations, you probably drive it until you threw a rod through the block, totally destroying your engine.  Because you hoped it wouldn't happen.

did you know that year MMS (federal Minerals Management Service) awarded that rig an award for its safety history?.....it is obvious that a HUGE mistake happened.....I am not defending them, but I get the feeling that the liberals WANT BP to fail on this, despite the damage it may cause, JUST so they can build THEIR base against off-shore drilling....

we need to do what ever it takes to clean this mess....and worry about who pays, or who's fault it is later.....

[Palehorse]

do you think they WANTED it to happen?............did you know that last year MMS (federal Minerals Management Service) awarded the rig an award for its safety history.....to think that BP intentionally allowed something of this nature to happed is outrageous.....

Nobody wanted this to happen, but someone was hoping it would not happen despite their deviation from industry approval , and regulatory endorsement of, standard operational procedures that were implemented to prevent it from happening. And that someone is BP.

Guess they were resting on their laurels over that safety award, because when that blow out preventer puked its parts up they did nothing. . .

When the backup to the blow out preventer dropped to less than 50% capacity, they did nothing. . .

When provided permission to utilize chemical dispersants to help try to minimize the impact, they chose the most toxic material on the list. . .

They lied about how much has been leaking instead of saying they did not know . . .

They make statements to try to minimize the size of the spill, and impact of this spill upon the environment. . .

They use the incident to drive up consumer prices for fuel, despite the fact that virtually none of this crude would have been utilized within the US market. . .

And the list keeps growing. . . So yeah, I think they are money grubbing liars!

[Henry Hawk]

they obviously screwed  up...I don't think they are tying to hide that fact....something went wrong, and I agree they in hindsite should have done things differently....I think, had they truly known that this would happen they would have done what they needed to do....I don't think they are some evil, bad guy out to destroy the enviroment....being good steward to the enviroment should be first and foremost....

go to their website and they have a briefing everyday on the situtation....

and btw, gas prices has come down the last few days....

[Henry Hawk]

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html


Here is a live web cam of the oil riser flow....