Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

[Palehorse]

Once again the oil is gushing unimpeded into the Gulf of Mexico, as BP has removed the cap for what their latest propaganda says is a fix to stop the flow entirely. . .

Wonder how much more black death they are unleashing and for how long before they realize another failure? 

[The Troll]

Once again the oil is gushing unimpeded into the Gulf of Mexico, as BP has removed the cap for what their latest propaganda says is a fix to stop the flow entirely. . .

Wonder how much more black death they are unleashing and for how long before they realize another failure? 

  I hope their not lying on this one.  But I sure would want a clean field of work area.  So they won't snag up on all of that tangle of pipe down there when the platform went down.

  It sure looks like the right set up.  If they have the right kind of a seal on the drop pipe, they should stop all of it.

  I quite sure they will have to have some tankers lined up to take the oil continuously because of the high pressures they won't be able to turn the damn thing off and let the pressures build up and  rupture the pipe somewhere else.  Crossed fingers.

[Palehorse]

New Orleans, Louisiana (CNN) -- The U.S. Interior Department issued a new moratorium order Monday afternoon in a second effort to block deepwater oil and natural gas projects.
The new moratorium is to "protect communities, coasts, and wildlife" while oil and gas companies implement safety measures to reduce the risks of blowouts and oil spills associated with deepwater drilling, the government said.
The ban will be in effect through November 30, 2010, or until Interior Secretary Ken Salazar determines that deepwater drilling operations can proceed safely.
Shallow water drilling activities can continue to move forward if operators comply with all safety and environmental requirements, since they don't present the same type or level of risks that deepwater drilling operations can, the Interior Department said. . .

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/12/gulf.oil.disaster/index.html?hpt=T2

I'm sorry, but that is downright bullshit about the shallow water not representing the same type of risks. . .

The very same thing happened in shallow water 30 years ago. . .

The very same results were obtained 30 years ago. . .

The very same methods were utilized 30 years ago with the very same results!

These oil jackasses lie, cheat, steal, and congress bends over backwards to facilitate them. . . 

[The Troll]

  Palehorse, I've been thinking about this for some time.  Once they get the broken well fixed and fixed right, don't close it.  Pay BP or some other oil company to operate it and all profit goes to the fixing the Gulf's coasts beaches and wet lands, damage to it's people and reseeding and repopulating the sea life in the gulf.  And no bonuses and real trustworthy auditors to keep the lying SOB's honest.

[me]

Hope this is good news and it stands up under the pressure tests tomorrow.  There are several different cameras and views here and you may have to stop some of the cameras if your connection is slow or if you have a lot of other things open.


http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/bp-live-oil-spill-cam.html

[The Troll]

Hope this is good news and it stands up under the pressure tests tomorrow. There are several different cameras and views here and you may have to stop some of the cameras if your connection is slow or if you have a lot of other things open. http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/bp-live-oil-spill-cam.html

  This it one thing that THE TROLL and "ME" agrees on, STOP THE DAMN LEAK!

[me]

  This it one thing that THE TROLL and "ME" agrees on, STOP THE DAMN LEAK!

Yep.... 

[Palehorse]

You'll excuse me if I skip the parade. . .

[The Troll]

You'll excuse me if I skip the parade. . .

  Barring no Murphy's law effects.  I think this will work.  The capping, blow-out preventer devise weights, from what I seen, 138,000 pound alone.  Who knows what one mile of 20 inch pipe weights that is above it.

  The talking "oil expert " head said that he couldn't understand why it took so long to get this device.  He said the your large oil drilling companies had these devises around for things that happen in the Gulf.  Working on the cheap, that BP and now their cheating the people out of their claims.  Who didn't see that comng.

[me]

You'll excuse me if I skip the parade. . .

Ain't no parade here and won't be 'til that leak has been stopped for a few days and they know it is going to work. 

[Palehorse]

Now they are questioning whether or not the bore is leaking internally, in addition to what is coming out of the pipe. This thing is still spewing at full bore too, while they are testing everything to see if it will hold up. . .

If they delay long enough, one of the relief wells should break through anytime now. . .

44 skimmers are on site, and burning operations are ongoing. Meanwhile, the underwater plumes are still forming and spreading unabated. . .

[The Troll]

Now they are questioning whether or not the bore is leaking internally, in addition to what is coming out of the pipe. This thing is still spewing at full bore too, while they are testing everything to see if it will hold up. . .

If they delay long enough, one of the relief wells should break through anytime now. . .

44 skimmers are on site, and burning operations are ongoing. Meanwhile, the underwater plumes are still forming and spreading unabated. . .

  That's what their waiting on.  Don't stop it until we have the new wells drilled.  You'll see, they have all ready plan for this.  Money, Oil, Money, Oil.      Do you really think their going to give up on the wells.

  The Ex-CEO of Shell said to night on Hardball that he thought that we should take those wells, note he said "wells" to pay for the fixing of the Gulf and the people, the gusher ruined.   

[Palehorse]

Right now I am not sure whether any of that really matters anymore. The damage has been done, they've rung the bell and you cannot unring it!

At one time I thought stopping the leak would be cause for celebration, but at this point it no longer matters. The death and destruction will continue for decades. The world as we once knew it has been forever changed and not for the better.

[The Troll]

Right now I am not sure whether any of that really matters anymore. The damage has been done, they've rung the bell and you cannot unring it!

At one time I thought stopping the leak would be cause for celebration, but at this point it no longer matters. The death and destruction will continue for decades. The world as we once knew it has been forever changed and not for the better.

  Your right, for years, my wife and I went to Gulf Shores and have walked the sugar white beaches at Gulf Shores and Orange Beach.  Fish the oil and gas rigs out in the Gulf and Mobile Bay.

  Caught some real nice Red Snapper, Amberjack, Sheepheads, Trigger fish, King Mackrel, Flounder and it was beautiful.

  I had a 10 ft trawl and I would go the Terry Cove and pull it.  Shrimp and the amount of sea life of the botton of that cove was unbelievable.  It's all gone.  How many years, who knows.   

[Palehorse]

  Your right, for years, my wife and I went to Gulf Shores and have walked the sugar white beaches at Gulf Shores and Orange Beach.  Fish the oil and gas rigs out in the Gulf and Mobile Bay.

  Caught some real nice Red Snapper, Amberjack, Sheepheads, Trigger fish, King Mackrel, Flounder and it was beautiful.

  I had a 10 ft trawl and I would go the Terry Cove and pull it.  Shrimp and the amount of sea life of the botton of that cove was unbelievable.  It's all gone.  How many years, who knows.   

It is just heart-breaking to think of the environmental and social-economic ruin this has forced upon the world. What is even sadder is that there are people who still support this kind of risk despite what has happened and will happen for decades to come!

This is the second time in 30 years we've been faced with this crap, and still we do not learn!