Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

[Palehorse]

You are not only drinking koolaid, but riding down the koolaide river if you think that Beck has anymore integrity than the rest of them.

can i have an amen!!!...

AMEN! 

[The Troll]

But I don't think it would have mattered if they had had 50 shut off's if the leak happened below the lowest shut off.

My first thought was "where is Red Adair when you need him"  then I remembered he just did the fires, so much for that thought.

  What in hell do you know about oil drilling and most of all big inch, heavy duty steel pipe, HD valve and so on, plumber.  The biggest thing you ever wrestled was a big turd, with your little bitty Roto-Rooter.

  Red Adair, I read his book and I watched his life story of TV.  Not once did he fight a oil fire on a oil platform, 50 miles off the coast.  He was one of the best, but he didn't fight oil platform fires.  Remember we never had a fire on a rig like this and a big oil leak like this.

The Troll, 30 years as an Industrail Pipefitter.

[me]

  What in hell do you know about oil drilling and most of all big inch, heavy duty steel pipe, HD valve and so on, plumber.  The biggest thing you ever wrestled was a big turd, with your little bitty Roto-Rooter.

  Red Adair, I read his book and I watched his life story of TV.  Not once did he fight a oil fire on a oil platform, 50 miles off the coast.  He was one of the best, but he didn't fight oil platform fires.  Remember we never had a fire on a rig like this and a big oil leak like this.

The Troll, 30 years as an Industrail Pipefitter.

Lighten up dumb ass it was said as a joke and it's not like he couldn't have put out an oil fire on a rig if the need had arisen ya know.  Also I didn't say I did know anything about oil wells it was brought up because it only sounds logical to me.  If the mechanisms are above the leak how could they stop it? The only thing that would make sense to me was if it were like a pipe within a pipe that released to slide downward now if that were the case it would work.  Do you know what kind of shut of mechanism is used on oil rigs? 

[Palehorse]

Blow out preventers.

[Sandy Eggo]

When have you ever seen me defend the honesty of a left wing political commentator? The difference between you and I is that I know the difference between fact and opinion and I know how to research the so-called sources rather than just assume that they're correct b/c their comments validate what I want to believe. Spin is spin whether it favors what I want to believe or not. I recognize that.

Drink up, me & Henry.

[Anne]

Well, I think they really need to find out what happened to begin with and if it was caused by human error or mechanical failure address the problem. Then when the problem is fixed, drill again as I don't see the need for oil decreasing much in the forseeable future.

[Palehorse]

What I find ironic is how something like this in the US driving fuel prices up, when so very little if any of the US oil actually is consumed here.

[The Troll]

Blow out preventers.

  Paleface, I sure hope these valves weren't the one they use in the Gulf.  These are manual operated valves.  The big wheel handles are missing.

  We had flow preventers, we had them on our high pressure propane lines, natural gas lines and  our steam lines.  Our were not as big as the ones on the oil rig, but a flow preventer is a flow preventer.  Our valve were not that big or had to handle the pressure the oil well valve needed

.  What was real good, ours weren't 5000 feet under water.  Also our valves were automatic.  If a line broke and the pressure dropped the valves kick in.  Steam and compressed air operated.  The valves shown have none.  We didn't have to watch them they worked by themselves.

  We should send the Unknown Zone plumber down there and let her bitch them to death.  What a way to go.  I bet that alone would turn BP around.     Or they would themselves.

The Troll  

[Henry Hawk]

When have you ever seen me defend the honesty of a left wing political commentator? The difference between you and I is that I know the difference between fact and opinion and I know how to research the so-called sources rather than just assume that they're correct b/c their comments validate what I want to believe. Spin is spin whether it favors what I want to believe or not. I recognize that.

Drink up, me & Henry.

well  just pat yourself on the back princess.............(THIS is a TYPICAL liberal mentality)

[Palehorse]

  Paleface, I sure hope these valves weren't the one they use in the Gulf.  These are manual operated valves.  The big wheel handles are missing.

  We had flow preventers, we had them on our high pressure propane lines, natural gas lines and  our steam lines.  Our were not as big as the ones on the oil rig, but a flow preventer is a flow preventer.  Our valve were not that big or had to handle the pressure the oil well valve needed

.  What was real good, ours weren't 5000 feet under water.  Also our valves were automatic.  If a line broke and the pressure dropped the valves kick in.  Steam and compressed air operated.  The valves shown have none.  We didn't have to watch them they worked by themselves.

  We should send the Unknown Zone plumber down there and let her bitch them to death.  What a way to go.  I bet that alone would turn BP around.     Or they would themselves.

The Troll  

No, those are two land based units from Italy.

The ocean bottom units are also automatic activation units, and that fact alone should drive a redundancy requirement.

[Henry Hawk]

I think we have GOT to fix this problem so that it does not ever happen again....THEN open up all locations off shore to American's to drill IF, they believe it is profitable.

[Palehorse]

I think we have GOT to fix this problem so that it does not ever happen again....THEN open up all locations off shore to American's to drill IF, they believe it is profitable.

How can we not be dependent on foreign oil when we only have about 2% of the world's reserves anyway?  Also, all oil here is sold on the commodities exchange just like all the other oil.  There is no such thing as American oil keeping American gas/oil prices down.  There are no guarantees that a single iota of oil drilled and extracted in the US will remain here.   It just doesn't work that way.

[Henry Hawk]

If that is true, ( and I am not denying that) then Oil Companies will not waste their time to do so..... I think we should offer tax incentives to these companies, to KEEP it AMERICAN.

[Palehorse]

If that is true, ( and I am not denying that) then Oil Companies will not waste their time to do so..... I think we should offer tax incentives to these companies, to KEEP it AMERICAN.

There is virtually no chance of us increasing that number even if we were to endorse the drill baby drill philosophy. "Reserves" refers to not only produced oil, but takes into account proven but untapped, and unproven untapped resources available to utilize. So, taking all of this into account the US owns only 2% (plus or minus a % point) of the entire oil in the world!

Here's a couple of charts that take into account all reserves world wide by global region. It is important to note that in this chart "North America" includes Canada!



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Total_World_Oil_Reserves.PNG



As a foot note; Industry experts calculate that if the US were to tap into all known (Proven and unproven) oil reserves and ramp up production and processing- they would be depleted totally within an 8 year period, leaving the US with NONE to tap into.

[Henry Hawk]

I understand what you are saying..............BUT, if Oil Companies believe it is worth something, and are willing to pay the price, go by strict guidlines to assure safety and plans to minimize oil spill problems,...and employ Americans to do so, then who cares about your pie charts and statistics....

these guys know if money is to be made or not.....if there is a market for it.