Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

[Sandy Eggo]

Besides the fact that the problem was worse than they had led us to believe initially?

[Palehorse]

Troll, you are forcing me to defend these guys.........but what LIE did BP say to us that we believed in?

No one's forcing you to defend them, they're a multi billion dollar corporation and can fend for themselves. . .

What lies??? Well for starters:

1. Their disaster response plan, which hypothetically was supposed to deal with an oil spill 10 times the size of the one they've been trying to control for 53 days now. . . .

2. Their statements surrounding how much was being spilled. . .

3. Their statements surrounding "paying for it"; (Why are all these shrimpers and fishermen being left high and dry?)

. . . and so on, and so on, and so on. . . .

[Henry Hawk]

Besides the fact that the problem was worse than they had led us to believe initially?

how does that change anything?.............5000 barrels or 10,000 barrels a day......would THAT have stopped this leak any faster?
I'm interested in Trolls answer....

[Henry Hawk]

No one's forcing you to defend them, they're a multi billion dollar corporation and can fend for themselves. . .

What lies??? Well for starters:

1. Their disaster response plan, which hypothetically was supposed to deal with an oil spill 10 times the size of the one they've been trying to control for 53 days now. . . .

2. Their statements surrounding how much was being spilled. . .

3. Their statements surrounding "paying for it"; (Why are all these shrimpers and fishermen being left high and dry?)

. . . and so on, and so on, and so on. . . .

well,  there has been $40 million that BP has paid so far on loss-of-income claims .... give them a chance...they have already spent $990 million on the clean-up efforts....

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/03/smallbusiness/bp_wage_claims/index.htm

keep on boycotting them and see how much they spend on this....AFTER they go bankrupt...

there will be plenty of time to go after these guys....they are not going anywhere......ALL of the world knows they are guilty.....I say, give them a chance to make it right....these guys will not survive IF, they don't make this right.....because a time will come when a real boycott will be effective....

[Palehorse]

well,  there has been $40 million that BP has paid so far on loss-of-income claims .... give them a chance...they have already spent $990 million on the clean-up efforts....

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/03/smallbusiness/bp_wage_claims/index.htm

keep on boycotting them and see how much they spend on this....AFTER they go bankrupt...

there will be plenty of time to go after these guys....they are not going anywhere......ALL of the world knows they are guilty.....I say, give them a chance to make it right....these guys will not survive IF, they don't make this right.....because a time will come when a real boycott will be effective....

Your defense of them is lame and falls upon deaf ears. They've been raping the world for decades and living very high on the hog, and now they are killing wildlife, marine life, and the environment, and you persist in defending them? Why one has to ask. . .

They've had 53 days to make sure the people whose lives they have and are trampling all over are compensated for, but instead they expend millions on CYA advertisements and lies. . . I'm betting if your relatives were amongst the ones impacted by this black death you'd disown them!

[Sandy Eggo]

A lie is a lie, Henry. You asked.

Secondly, if they give a damn about our money that they line their pockets with, then they's be wise to get this done NOW.

[Henry Hawk]

have you missed the part where I posted they have already spent around a billion dollars in 53 days?........

I am only defending them because of the attitude the left has against big oil.........none of the shareholders are bitching, how many americans are reaping profits because of holding BP stock?.......how many jobs has Big Oil created?.........ask the some of the folks down on the coast IF they want oil drilling to stop....we do need oil folks, that is no secret...and it HAS to be drilled.....and why does it piss democrats off when a big buisness makes a good profit?.......so does it's stock holders..how many own Goldman Sachs?.....well, they own a bunch of bp stocks....many of regular Americans are living high on the hog because of companies like BP....how many Americans are lining thier pockets with THEIR profits?

I just dont think big business is all bad..........including Oil Giants......not when you compare them to our scum assed politicians in our government....

talk about giving a damn about spending OUR money and lining their own pockets.......have you looke at washington lately?

[The Troll]

No one's forcing you to defend them, they're a multi billion dollar corporation and can fend for themselves. . .

What lies??? Well for starters:

1. Their disaster response plan, which hypothetically was supposed to deal with an oil spill 10 times the size of the one they've been trying to control for 53 days now. . . .

2. Their statements surrounding how much was being spilled. . .

3. Their statements surrounding "paying for it"; (Why are all these shrimpers and fishermen being left high and dry?)

. . . and so on, and so on, and so on. . . .

  Henry I really think you don't really know how they lied.  Did you see or read anything about the paper they presented the government to drill this well.  No?

  Well, first of all they said they could drill this well safely.  They said they had a blowout preventer.  They didn't tell us that, that blowout preventer had a 50% failure rate.

  They said they had all of the necessary things to cleanup any spill that might happen.  They said that they had ways to clean seals, walruses, otters and other sea animals.  how many seal, walruses and otters do you see in the Gulf of Mexico.  How about none.

  All of these thing were in the papers filed to get the permit from the government to drill this well.  They lied and the damn government people, the regulators didn't even read the damn thing.

  If you defend BP then you're one hell of a poor American.

[Henry Hawk]

  Henry I really think you don't really know how they lied.  Did you see or read anything about the paper they presented the government to drill this well.  No?

  Well, first of all they said they could drill this well safely.  They said they had a blowout preventer.  They didn't tell us that, that blowout preventer had a 50% failure rate.

  They said they had all of the necessary things to cleanup any spill that might happen.  They said that they had ways to clean seals, walruses, otters and other sea animals.  how many seal, walruses and otters do you see in the Gulf of Mexico.  How about none.

  All of these thing were in the papers filed to get the permit from the government to drill this well.  They lied and the damn government people, the regulators didn't even read the damn thing.

  If you defend BP then you're one hell of a poor American.

and if a democrat JUST because he is a democrat .... they YOU too are a poor American.


First of all, I have never said that BP is innocent, in any way, shape or form....they DO suck!!....THEY are responsible for this tragedy....YES...but don't act as if others are not involved, including Obama admin, Bush admin and Clinton Admin....I have already seen democrats USING this tragedy for political gain.......when democrats (along with repubs)...are guilty too.

this is above ALL politics, (or it should be)...just as 9/11 was.........we have a real problem to fix!!!.....as ph said, there should be OUTRAGE by all Americans to fix this......and quit making BP the only ones to do it........where is the Hollywood crowd?......where are the telethons to help out the fisherman.......to help out the birds, turtles and shrimp?
we need to rally and fix this............let's worry about who flips the bill later....Hell, Obama just spent a trillion dollars and people don't seem to worried about WHO is going to pay for that...
I say it's time to quit bickering and act like Amerians and go and fix this thing.

[me]

There is one thing that could be done and Bush did it after Katrina.  There is a law on the books, I forget what it's called, that no foreign ships of a certain size can be in our waterway without a permit.  That could be waived so the ships that have been made available by foreign countries could help take on the oil from the leak.  Until that is done they can't sail in our territory. 

[Palehorse]

There is one thing that could be done and Bush did it after Katrina.  There is a law on the books, I forget what it's called, that no foreign ships of a certain size can be in our waterway without a permit.  That could be waived so the ships that have been made available by foreign countries could help take on the oil from the leak.  Until that is done they can't sail in our territory.

Related to this, a lot of you seem to have missed the fact that of the three or four plumes of oil that have been discovered out there at least one of them, and possibly two, have been found to be NOT from the Horizon oil well; which means there is a second source out there! That source could be either passing freighters dumping crude, or yet another well out there spewing. . .

[Sandy Eggo]

Henry, does it really matter how much they've spent to fix it if the problem still exists? That's not impressive or special. It's what they're supposed to do. They need to be held accountable until they make this right. Call it an incentive, if you will, or tough love, but I'm boycotting and asking everyone I know to do the same.

[Henry Hawk]

Henry, does it really matter how much they've spent to fix it if the problem still exists? That's not impressive or special. It's what they're supposed to do. They need to be held accountable until they make this right. Call it an incentive, if you will, or tough love, but I'm boycotting and asking everyone I know to do the same.

you are right to a point sandy, but they ARE spending money..........and it is going to take MUCH time to fix this mess............it sucks!! but why do you expect them to fix this over night when you know that is totally impossible.

boycotting them WILL only make things worse....I'm not saying we should rush out and support them either.....I am continuing my gas buying as normal....which is USUALLY marathon, but occassionaly I hit a station that has BP.....not because they are BP, but because they have a great breakfast sandwich there.....

[me]

Related to this, a lot of you seem to have missed the fact that of the three or four plumes of oil that have been discovered out there at least one of them, and possibly two, have been found to be NOT from the Horizon oil well; which means there is a second source out there! That source could be either passing freighters dumping crude, or yet another well out there spewing. . .

Or it could be naturally occurring seepage.  That still doesn't mean that other ships couldn't be helping pump off what is known to be coming from the rig. 

[Palehorse]

Or it could be naturally occurring seepage.  That still doesn't mean that other ships couldn't be helping pump off what is known to be coming from the rig. 

If it's "seepage" it is far worse than what is "normal" since the plume(s) are similar in size and quantity to the Horizon's.

Another point, just what would these ships do surrounding the plumes? (They are underwater)

Henry: I'd piss my pants before stopping at a BP to piss! They are getting ZERO of my business and will not until this is fixed.