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Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

Started by Palehorse, May 04, 2010, 01:38:32 PM

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The Troll

Quote from: Palehorse on June 16, 2010, 04:15:03 PM
The oil rig workers will be paid from a separate 100 million dollar fund.

The federal government is going to ask congress for more unemployment funding for those who will not qualify to be paid from the 100 million dollar fund. (Good luck with that one. Those bastards can't pass a simple extension for the millions that have been unable to find work).

The 20 billion now guarantees those injured by this will be paid, and takes the process out of BP's hands and the governments too. It also relieves BP of no liability for potential lawsuits that may grow out of this.

  Palehorse, does this 20 billion mean that BP can't be sued over any damage they did.

  If this true, the people of America just got screw.  20 billion dollars is no where near what this cluster f**k will cost.  Tell me this is not true.

Anne

Will it pay the oil rig workers who are out of work because of the stopped drilling?
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Palehorse

Quote from: The Troll on June 16, 2010, 04:43:50 PM
  Palehorse, does this 20 billion mean that BP can't be sued over any damage they did.

  If this true, the people of America just got screw.  20 billion dollars is no where near what this cluster f**k will cost.  Tell me this is not true.

NO!

It was clearly stated by the POTUS himself, and repeated by Robert Gibbs, that this does NOT relieve BP of its legal liabilities for damage claims and other lawsuits that may grow out of this incident, nor does it limit the industries or private individuals ability to pursue legal action upon BP, even if they receive payments from the fund.

Victims are also eligible to file claims with the oil spill disaster fund as well, with no impact upon their ability to pursue legal action on BP.

Sidebar: Once we get into the meat of this investigation and the root cause for it is determined, I would expect similar demands being placed upon Trans Ocean and Halliburton as well.
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Palehorse

Quote from: Anne on June 16, 2010, 04:45:33 PM
Will it pay the oil rig workers who are out of work because of the stopped drilling?

BP has agreed, at the insistence of the POTUS, to set up a separate 100 million dollar fund from which the idled workers who are eligible will be paid in full during the moratorium. A request has been sent to congress for additional unemployment funding, specifically for those amongst that group who do not meet the eligibility requirements.

I have no specific knowledge surrounding what those requirements are, nor who imposed them.
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The Troll

                                        ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!

   Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live.  Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news.  She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:

  Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel.  As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us.  This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:

   Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense.  :yes: Just  think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction.  :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars.   :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government  20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:

   Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:

   Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations.  Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations.  They operate law free and you see what it got us.   Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America.  :icon_evil:  :yes:

  There is more interesting information.  BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations.  These stations are own by private owners.   They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily.  They buy their gas from the local refineries.  So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong.  Your hurting small American business people.  This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line. 

The Troll :flag: :rain1:  :flag:  :rain2: :flag:  :rain1:  :flag:  :rain2:


   

me

Breaking news.BP announced that this morning they installed a wedding ring around the leaking pipe & it quit putting out.
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The Troll

Quote from: me on June 19, 2010, 10:38:15 AM
Breaking news.BP announced that this morning they installed a wedding ring around the leaking pipe & it quit putting out.

  Thanks to the Great Universe.  Now we got to get the damn mess cleaned up and payed for.  I wonder how many years it is going to take.  I wonder how many of those great schools of Red Fish and Red Snappers and the other fish, shrimp, crabs, shell fish and the rest of the sea life they have killed.  We know one  thing the lawyers are going to make a big killing.  The rest of us are going to have to pay big time.

  The Troll  :'( :'( :'( :'(

The Troll

Quote from: me on June 19, 2010, 10:38:15 AM
Breaking news.BP announced that this morning they installed a wedding ring around the leaking pipe & it quit putting out.

  OK "ME" is this one of  your cruel jokes and lies.  I read it and since it was you, I took it for fact.  I got one TV on Fox News, one on MSNBC and one on CNN and they've said nothing about capping the flow.  (Wedding Ring my ass) There are devices that are called Wedding rings, you put them on and it won't come off.  The only thing they have talked about is a clogged oil burning flare nozzle of one of the ships at the site of the spill.  What is your source.

  If this is one of your jokes on something this serious, I'll never believe anything you say again.  Believe me.  The Troll  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: :rant: I can't believe someone would do such a stupid and dumbass thing like this.  Joking when they are KILLING THE GULF.  You sure must not have spent any time around the once beautiful place.   It isn't hard to see why you're a Republican.  No morals and no conscience.

  You know you're like a guy up at the campground.  One evening a group of us were sitting around talking and the bugs were biting me.  I asked if anyone had some OFF.  He said that he had some  and threw me a spray can.  I started spraying myself, my arms, head and neck and rubbed some on my face and I found it was wasp killer.  I said you god damn dumbass son of a bitch, this is wasp killer.  He laughed and said you should have read the label.  I started to go for him and my wife grabbed me.  I wanted to kill him.  I never spoke to the son of a bitch again.  What kind of a person would hand a "friend" wasp killer in the dark of evening and tell him it's OFF and then say you should have read the label.  The Lousy Son Of A Bitch.  Well he's passed on, Good. 

The Troll

Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
                                        ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!

   Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live.  Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news.  She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:

  Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel.  As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us.  This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:

   Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense.  :yes: Just  think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction.  :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars.   :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government  20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:

   Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:

   Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations.  Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations.  They operate law free and you see what it got us.   Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America.  :icon_evil:  :yes:

  There is more interesting information.  BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations.  These stations are own by private owners.   They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily.  They buy their gas from the local refineries.  So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong.  Your hurting small American business people.  This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line. 

The Troll :flag: :rain1:  :flag:  :rain2: :flag:  :rain1:  :flag:  :rain2:




   Read this and then look up at the post "ME" sent me right after I posted this and what it lead up to.  The :witch:

The Troll

Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
                                        ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!

   Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live.  Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news.  She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:

  Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel.  As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us.  This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:

   Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense.  :yes: Just  think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction.  :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars.   :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government  20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:

   Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:

   Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations.  Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations.  They operate law free and you see what it got us.   Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America.  :icon_evil:  :yes:

  There is more interesting information.  BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations.  These stations are own by private owners.   They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily.  They buy their gas from the local refineries.  So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong.  Your hurting small American business people.  This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line. 

The Troll :flag: :rain1:  :flag:  :rain2: :flag:  :rain1:  :flag:  :rain2:




Palehorse

Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
                                        ARE YOU READY FOR SOME REAL BAD NEWS!

   Saturday morning at 9:05 on CNN Live.  Ronnie Deutch Tax Expert gave out some bad news.  She states we are going to get to pay for this oil spill whether we want to or not. :yes:

  Right now all oil companies have to pay 8 cents per barrel of oil into a oil distaster relief fund. Congress is going to raise that to 41 cents per barrel.  As you know corporations don't pay taxes on a barrel of oil, they will pass it on to us.  This alone will raise the price of oil 1 dollar per gallon. :yes:

   Also did you know that a company even if it is criminally negligent it can deduct it as a business expense.  :yes: Just  think it could cost BP from 20 billion to 100 Billion dollars to clean up their mess and get a tax deduction.  :yes: For every 20 Billion they spend means that they don't have to pay the IRS 4 billion dollars.   :yes: For a 100 Billion business expense will cost our government  20 Billion dollars in tax dollars we won't get and we are all ready broke. :yes:

   Also because of BP's oil spill and the cost to the taxpayers, it going to raise the cost of living, food and energy cost 10% to 20%. :yes:

   Isn't it wonderful how these Republicans who worship the Predatory Capitalist and their corporations.  Want to get rid of government and all regulations that control these predatory corporations.  They operate law free and you see what it got us.   Isn't wonderful how we get to share in the Republican's worship of free range, no control Capitalism has affected us and America.  :icon_evil:  :yes:

  There is more interesting information.  BP owns NO might is say again. BP owns NO filling stations.  These stations are own by private owners.   They buy the right to use the BP name and these are long contracts and can't be gotten out of easily.  They buy their gas from the local refineries.  So if you think your hurting BP by boycotting BP stations you are wrong.  Your hurting small American business people.  This like all of the stations in Indianapolis buy their gas from Rock Island Refinery from one pipe line. 

The Troll :flag: :rain1:  :flag:  :rain2: :flag:  :rain1:  :flag:  :rain2:




Hell, I've known all along that every single dollar they expend in dealing with this crises is only going to increase their tax write off amount. It's the way the system works. . . right now.

There's a cure for it if they are found to be criminally liable for this incident, fine their asses in the exact amount of the write off to remediate citizen liability. But if the POTUS suggests it the squalling from the conservatives will make Katrina look like a bird fart!
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

me

Dang Troll it was only a joke....Did ya get up on the wrong side of the bed or somethin'? 


Quote from: The Troll on June 19, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
  OK "ME" is this one of  your cruel jokes and lies.  I read it and since it was you, I took it for fact.  I got one TV on Fox News, one on MSNBC and one on CNN and they've said nothing about capping the flow.  (Wedding Ring my ass) There are devices that are called Wedding rings, you put them on and it won't come off.  The only thing they have talked about is a clogged oil burning flare nozzle of one of the ships at the site of the spill.  What is your source.

  If this is one of your jokes on something this serious, I'll never believe anything you say again.  Believe me.  The Troll  :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :rant: :rant: I can't believe someone would do such a stupid and dumbass thing like this.  Joking when they are KILLING THE GULF.  You sure must not have spent any time around the once beautiful place.   It isn't hard to see why you're a Republican.  No morals and no conscience.

  You know you're like a guy up at the campground.  One evening a group of us were sitting around talking and the bugs were biting me.  I asked if anyone had some OFF.  He said that he had some  and threw me a spray can.  I started spraying myself, my arms, head and neck and rubbed some on my face and I found it was wasp killer.  I said you god damn dumbass son of a bitch, this is wasp killer.  He laughed and said you should have read the label.  I started to go for him and my wife grabbed me.  I wanted to kill him.  I never spoke to the son of a bitch again.  What kind of a person would hand a "friend" wasp killer in the dark of evening and tell him it's OFF and then say you should have read the label.  The Lousy Son Of A Bitch.  Well he's passed on, Good.
Trump 2020

Sandy Eggo

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Palehorse

Oil collection operations were suspended for 10 hours today due to problems aboard the collection craft and weather. Meanwhile BP CEO Tony Hayward attended a yacht race. . . :rant: :rant: :rant:
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

The Troll

Quote from: Sandy Eggo on June 19, 2010, 04:26:29 PM
I think his funny bone might be temporarily disconnected.


   Your damn right I'm pissed.  "ME" is going to be on my shit list for some time.  You can't believe how much I want to get the well capped.  Then some one who I believed pulls a shitty joke.  Won't believe a damn thing she says.  :finger01: and :finger2: and :kissit: