Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

[Henry Hawk]

How do you simultaneously allow foreign nationals close enough to our shoreline to effect any meaningful cleanup and protect the integrity of our border?

I don't think Sweden is national threat....and I don't think skimming boats are equipped to launch an attack......so, I'm not sure what you mean.

[me]

Had this sent to me in an email by a person who doesn't usually send this kind of stuff and was wondering if this guy is a nut case or if this is a possibility.  Thought maybe a couple of you might be able to listen to this and give your opinion of what this guy is spouting.   It's kind of scary if he isn't a fruit loop.  I hope he is a fruit loop and what he is saying is waaaaay off base and out in left field somewhere to be honest.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/872.html

[The Troll]

I'm not bitching at the WH about stopping the well........I'm bitching that they are not getting everyone possible with a mop, to start the clean up.....and you analysis is not a good one.....we CAN skimm oil.....are you seriously just saying that we should do NOTHING until the leak is stopped!?.....if so, that is about as dumb as I have ever heard you respond to any question.....we should be sucking and skimming with every available boat and/or contraption that is available......no mater WHO or WHERE they are from......sitting back and watching a few more McCartney concerts will NOT do anytnhing to contribute to fixing this mess.....

  Henry, have you every sat in a boat fishing in the Gulf of Mexico out 45 miles.  Do you know how frigging big the gulf is.  Thousand and thousands of square miles.

  This well is pumping out around 10,000 barrels of crude oil per day.  1/64 of inch of crude oil, sitting on top of the water, is to much.  If you clean it up to day, it will return in a hour.  Round and round and round and still we can't clean it up, because it is still flowing.

  I have an idea on how to keep it out of the water.  But with all corporations if it isn't invented here, in doesn't exist.  My invention would need a ship sized lathe and a toolmaker to make the part, some pipeline welders and about mile of 26 in oil pipe and a line of super tankers to haul off the oil.

  But that would cost them extra money, they will let it run until they get the other wells drilled.  That way they will be there to pump the whole oil pool dry before they leave.  Smart Hummmm.

[Exterminator]

Every person on every boat would have to be scrutinized and cleared by DHS and every ship thoroughly searched.  You're dramatically over-simplifying a complex issue.

[Henry Hawk]

Every person on every boat would have to be scrutinized and cleared by DHS and every ship thoroughly searched.  You're dramatically over-simplifying a complex issue.

you may be correct, but we are facing a very dramatic and complex issue....It is not impossible to do this, IF, indeed you are correct.

this is a very unprecedented event, and has extremely dangerous potential to our entire Country economically and ecologically...so I say it is time to put away politics, and honestly do what is best for this country.

[followsthewolf]

Henry Hawk wrote:

"Jindall is begging our Government to help with....."

POTUS offered thousands of troops to all of the governors of the gulf states (including Jindall, of courste). Most have barely used that resource, including Jindall. He (Jindall) has at his disposal, ~6500 National Guard troops to use in whatever way he wants, yet he keeps squawking about the government not giving him any help.

I'm tired of his political yapping, since he doesn't have a flippin' clue of what to do with help when it was given some time back.

[LOsborne]

Nobody put a gun to Obama's head and told him to drill.....this was HIS decision to Open Offshore Areas to Oil Drilling ....just two months ago....

It was actually March 30, Henry. By then Deepwater Horizon had been operational in the Gulf for more than three years. It began drilling at Macondo Prospect in February 2010 and blew up on April 20. So this one does not fall on Obama's head. The area he opened was the East Coast. Does anybody know if there are drilling operations there yet?

Sorry to be such a nit-picker, Henry, but when we make accusations, it's a good idea to be sure they will hold up in court.

[LOsborne]

Troll, I realize you don't see any need for a cap to be put on what the victims can get from BP but you aren't thinking about those who would take advantage of the situation and try to claim more than they would ever earn just because they can. ...

His question was whether to cap BP's liability and force taxpayers to pick up the rest of the damages. Remember, me, to claim damages you must prove you were damaged in court if the accused objects. Why would we want to set an arbitrary limit on how much in proven damages BP is required to cover?

God, I can't beli

[LOsborne]

....BP cannot allow work to be done that Jindall is begging our Government to help with.....

What has he done besides flying over the spill in a helicopter? Oh yeah, and failing to utilize the National Guard troops that are authorized?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20008914-10391695.html

...Gulf coast governors haven't been fully utilizing the 17,500 National Guard troops authorized by the federal government to help them with the oil spill...

Jindal's statement doesn't address the specific question of why Louisiana is using only 1,053 of the 6,000 National Guard troops available to the state. The governor said that he would "deploy every resource" available to win the war against the BP oil spill, and complained that Coast Guard and BP authorization were required for individual tasks, which apparently slowed down the deployment of National Guard troops. However, the governor's office told CBS News that he has not specifically asked for more National Guard troops.

[LOsborne]

I want to accept help that anyone can offer, this cirsis is bigger than we can handle ourselves....as it is becoming more and more obvious.....BP cannot allow other countries into this area.....BP cannot allow work to be done that Jindall is begging our Government to help with.....it is no different that asking for the UN to help during time of war....this IS what our government is supposed to do.....defend our borders, and right now our borders is under attack.....with crude oil.

See previous post.

[The Troll]

See previous post.

  Good work, now that's what I call presenting your case.  To bad I can say case closed. 

[me]

http://www.globenews24.com/EN/news,louisiana-governor-outraged-at-stop-in-dredging-operations

What has he done besides flying over the spill in a helicopter? Oh yeah, and failing to utilize the National Guard troops that are authorized?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20008914-10391695.html

...Gulf coast governors haven't been fully utilizing the 17,500 National Guard troops authorized by the federal government to help them with the oil spill...

Jindal's statement doesn't address the specific question of why Louisiana is using only 1,053 of the 6,000 National Guard troops available to the state. The governor said that he would "deploy every resource" available to win the war against the BP oil spill, and complained that Coast Guard and BP authorization were required for individual tasks, which apparently slowed down the deployment of National Guard troops. However, the governor's office told CBS News that he has not specifically asked for more National Guard troops.

[LOsborne]

Oh, I see, on Wednesday he bitched and whined some more.

Interesting paragraph from your own source:

In the meantime, the state said it wanted to start dredging from the area proposed in its initial application for the project while contractors waited to get the necessary pipe in place. The government agreed and gave Louisiana a week. That deadline expired Tuesday "at which point they came to us and said they needed another 10 days [to get the pipe in place] ... outstanding the fact that they had agreed to this very permit condition back on May 14," Strickland said.

He wants to take sand from the Chandeleur Islands to build berms -- which would destroy the barrier islands which already exist. Yeah, that's a good idea.

[followsthewolf]

Quote from: Henry Hawk on Today at 03:30:21 PM
....BP cannot allow work to be done that Jindall is begging our Government to help with.....

Quote from: LOsborne
What has he done besides flying over the spill in a helicopter? Oh yeah, and failing to utilize the National Guard troops that are authorized?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20008914-10391695.html

...Gulf coast governors haven't been fully utilizing the 17,500 National Guard troops authorized by the federal government to help them with the oil spill...

Jindal's statement doesn't address the specific question of why Louisiana is using only 1,053 of the 6,000 National Guard troops available to the state. The governor said that he would "deploy every resource" available to win the war against the BP oil spill, and complained that Coast Guard and BP authorization were required for individual tasks, which apparently slowed down the deployment of National Guard troops. However, the governor's office told CBS News that he has not specifically asked for more National Guard troops.

Oh, I see, on Wednesday he bitched and whined some more.

Interesting paragraph from your own source:

In the meantime, the state said it wanted to start dredging from the area proposed in its initial application for the project while contractors waited to get the necessary pipe in place. The government agreed and gave Louisiana a week. That deadline expired Tuesday "at which point they came to us and said they needed another 10 days [to get the pipe in place] ... outstanding the fact that they had agreed to this very permit condition back on May 14," Strickland said.

He wants to take sand from the Chandeleur Islands to build berms -- which would destroy the barrier islands which already exist. Yeah, that's a good idea.

Thanks for the sources. I'm no longer in the business of proving what I say in casual conversations. I have to do that in my work every day.

[The Troll]

Oh, I see, on Wednesday he bitched and whined some more.

Interesting paragraph from your own source:

In the meantime, the state said it wanted to start dredging from the area proposed in its initial application for the project while contractors waited to get the necessary pipe in place. The government agreed and gave Louisiana a week. That deadline expired Tuesday "at which point they came to us and said they needed another 10 days [to get the pipe in place] ... outstanding the fact that they had agreed to this very permit condition back on May 14," Strickland said.

He wants to take sand from the Chandeleur Islands to build berms -- which would destroy the barrier islands which already exist. Yeah, that's a good idea.

   Bobby Jindal,  Let's look at Bobby.  Isn't he the one one who after a President Obama speeches, gave the Republican side of it and made an ass of himself.

  Bobby Jindal, wasn't he the one who wanted big government out the people and the States business and wants tax cuts, tax cuts.  But really wanted a small government.  The States could handle their own business.

   Bobby Jindal, wasn't he the one who was going to turn down the government "Stimulus Plan".  But when the people of Louisana demanded he take that money, he was standing there with the first check for pictures.  Like he did it himself.

   Bobby Jindal, wasn't him, who when the oil spill happen, stood straight up and demanded that the government do something, like bring them help and money.

   Bobby Jindal, one big phony Republican son of a bitch.

  The Troll