Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

[Palehorse]

they obviously screwed  up...I don't think they are tying to hide that fact....something went wrong, and I agree they in hindsite should have done things differently....I think, had they truly known that this would happen they would have done what they needed to do....I don't think they are some evil, bad guy out to destroy the enviroment....being good steward to the enviroment should be first and foremost....

go to their website and they have a briefing everyday on the situtation....

and btw, gas prices has come down the last few days....

NOT diesel - - - $3.16/US gal. 

Unlike you, I am not willing to extend any level of assumption toward BP that would insinuate good faith on their behalf. The facts are they are the experts in their field, they participated in the development of the regulatory procedures that they agreed to operate within at all times, they chose to take risks that involved deviation from the ascribed to and approved procedures, and they knew damned good and well that said risk involved a very high probability that just such an incident could result. And it did.

The public statements of their leadership since the incident demonstrate their desire to shrug this off and weasel out of their responsibility in dealing with the long term ramifications of the environmental and economical damages it has, and will, inflict upon the people of this country. And certainly daylight has been shown upon the fact that the very regulatory body created to assure compliance in daily operations has developed into a rubber stamp process that looks the other way; a situation BP took into account when deciding to take the risks in deviating from SOP in the first place.

Deep Water Horizon's achievement of a world record production milestone just weeks prior to this incident, also played a key role in the decision process; since company leadership highly desired yet another milestone achievement and made no effort to hide that fact.

[Henry Hawk]

from their website:  they are NOT lying on the flow...they even have gov officials there with them to help them decided this....     


Today BP launched a live webcam of the riser flow. The webcam can be viewed at www.bp.com.

BP has been providing a live feed to government entities over the last two weeks – including the US Department of the Interior, US Coast Guard, Minerals Management Service (MMS) through the Unified Area Command center in Louisiana – as well as to BP and industry scientists and engineers involved in the effort to stop the spill.

BP continues its work to collect oil by the riser insertion tube tool (RITT) containment system. Once on the drillship Discoverer Enterprise, the oil is then being stored and gas is being flared. The RITT remains a new technology and both its continued operation and its effectiveness in capturing the oil and gas remain uncertain.                  BP has, and will continue, to support the government's work to determine the rate of flow from the well. Since the Deepwater Horizon accident, the flow rate estimate has been established by the Unified Command. Throughout the process, BP has made it a priority to quickly and consistently provide the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the Coast Guard with requested information for the joint command structure to make as accurate an assessment as possible of the rate of flow.

The rate of flow from the riser is determined in a number of ways and by a number of variables. For instance, while the original riser was 19.5 inches in diameter prior to the Deepwater Horizon accident, damage sustained during the accident distorted the diameter at the end of the pipe by about 30 per cent. In addition, a drill pipe currently trapped inside the riser has reduced the flow area by an additional 10 per cent. Thus, some third party estimates of flow, which assume a 19.5 inch diameter, are inaccurate. As well, there is natural gas in the riser. Data on the hydrocarbons recovered to date suggests that the proportion of gas in the plume exiting the riser is, on average, approximately 50 percent.                  To provide further specificity on the flow rate, the US government has created a Flow Rate Technical Team (FRTT) to develop a more precise estimate. The FRTT includes the US Coast Guard, NOAA, MMS, Department of Energy (DOE) and the US Geological Survey. The FRTT is mandated to produce a report by close of business on Saturday, May 22.

To support this, BP is in the process of providing FRTT with all requested information, including diagrams and schematics showing release points, amounts of oil and gas currently being collected on the Discoverer Enterprise, and subsea video of the oil release point.

[Palehorse]

Wow. . . you are drinking the crude kool aid . . .

[Henry Hawk]

Wow. . . you are drinking the crude kool aid . . .

no I am not, I'm just trying to shine a light on the other side............it seems like the liberals are just looking for everything and anything to make sure that the Oil industry goes away because of this.....

how much do you think you will pay for diesel if they close down ALL US drilling?.....

it is the left that makes me WANT to defend these guys......I wish the dems would quit the f'ing politics of this and lets work together and just fix the problem.....

[Sandy Eggo]

What?!? Seriously, the statement "the liberals are looking for a reason to make the oil industry go away" is about the craziest claim that I think I've ever heard.

And to use that reasoning to justify your inability to reason is beyond

[Henry Hawk]

Well, it does not surprise me that you would say what you just did....and I am quite able to reason, with no needs to try to justify it to someone who is never going to try to understand opposing views....

I have seen blogs and other forum discussions and liberals are having serious woodies over this BP incident...their are liberals who believe that this is the end of the Oil Industry because of this mishap....

[Sandy Eggo]

Ummm interesting sites that you've been to.

Anyone who isn't upset by the oil spill is, for the lack of a better word, an asshole. There is call for concern. The otherside? has not been 100% forthcoming with information which would make the true depth of this issue clear. That gives them the appearance of attempting to shirk some of the responsibility.

As for you, I'm not surprised that you'd defend them. I've become accustomed to your hatred of liberals being so intense, that the culpability of "the otherside" doesn't matter, just your need to be opposite anything a liberal may stand up against. So no, you think that your power of reasoning is intact, but your words tell a different story. Don't blame the liberals for your own shortcomings.

[Henry Hawk]

no shortcoming here, whatsoever!!...

I completely understand and see what is going on....THAT is why there is going to be a major change in Washington in November...and why there is changes in Jersey, Mass and Penn....

[The Troll]

they obviously screwed  up...I don't think they are tying to hide that fact....something went wrong, and I agree they in hindsite should have done things differently....I think, had they truly known that this would happen they would have done what they needed to do....I don't think they are some evil, bad guy out to destroy the enviroment....being good steward to the enviroment should be first and foremost....

go to their website and they have a briefing everyday on the situtation....

and btw, gas prices has come down the last few days....

  Boy oboy you should get a job with BP, "I don't think they were trying to hide anything."  Well, it sort of hard to hide an oil slick the size of the state of Delaware.

  BP did what every corporation does, they try to make the largest amount of money with the smallest amount spent.  They cheated, they lied and the F*#ked up the Gulf of Mexico and everybody connected with it and you defend them.

  What is wrong with this picture.  Henry who claims he doesn't hardly has two nickles to rub together, raised in a union family with all of those advantages and he wants to defend the criminal actions of a multibillion dollar foreign oil corporation. 

  Why don't you take you boat and go fishing in the Gulf, Henry.

[Henry Hawk]

  Boy oboy you should get a job with BP, "I don't think they were trying to hide anything."  Well, it sort of hard to hide an oil slick the size of the state of Delaware.

  BP did what every corporation does, they try to make the largest amount of money with the smallest amount spent.  They cheated, they lied and the F*#ked up the Gulf of Mexico and everybody connected with it and you defend them.

  What is wrong with this picture.  Henry who claims he doesn't hardly has two nickles to rub together, raised in a union family with all of those advantages and he wants to defend the criminal actions of a multibillion dollar foreign oil corporation. 

  Why don't you take you boat and go fishing in the Gulf, Henry.

BP employs more than 29,000 people in the US....and I think there are plenty of people out there who would work for them about right now.....

I never claimed I hardly have two nickles to rub together....

and I never said I want BP to "get away" with anything.....I want to wait and see how they handle this...give them a chance to TRY to make this right (not that they can EVER make it right)....the media and the left are making them out as 100% guilty and ready to execute them.....and I don't think ALL corporations are out to screw folks....unfortunatly there ARE some out there that do....but, that does not make all of them bad.....the one's I do NOT trustis BIG GOVERNMENT!!!!....THEY ARE OUT TO SCREW US!!!!....the left is always defending them.....so, there you go.

[Palehorse]

 

Apparently the 11 people who lost their lives in this, due to the short-sighted and reprehensible laxity of BP, are just collateral damage huh? ? ? The cherry on the hot sludge sundae BP wants us all to slurp up and live with for the next couple of centuries. . .

Wow. . . I am speechless. . .

[Henry Hawk]

Apparently the 11 people who lost their lives in this, due to the short-sighted and reprehensible laxity of BP, are just collateral damage huh? ? ? The cherry on the hot sludge sundae BP wants us all to slurp up and live with for the next couple of centuries. . .

Wow. . . I am speechless. . .

you honestly think that they are okay with those 11 people who lost their lives?...........can you PROVE beyond a shadow of doubt that BP KNEW something bad was going to happen and just shut their eyes?.............I find that asinine, I really do......you guys have no idea, you have listened to spinned stories.........I cannot buy into this Big Oil will do anything for a profit crap, even if it becomes their demise...
why did this government give them a "safety" award last year IF, it was in that bad of shape?.....

[Palehorse]

you honestly think that they are okay with those 11 people who lost their lives?...........can you PROVE beyond a shadow of doubt that BP KNEW something bad was going to happen and just shut their eyes?.............I find that asinine, I really do......you guys have no idea, you have listened to spinned stories.........I cannot buy into this Big Oil will do anything for a profit crap, even if it becomes their demise...
why did this government give them a "safety" award last year IF, it was in that bad of shape?.....

I will take the word of their chief electrical engineer and others who survived to tell the tale, as well as the word of the most respected investigator in the industry, over the propaganda of the perpetrators any day of the year. . .

Moreover, the sop's and regulatory rules are in place for a reason, and BP participated in the creation, writing, and implementation of those same sop's and regulations; so yeah, they knew damned good and well what the possibilities were and risks associated with ignoring them. . . Blatantly ignoring them and costing the lives of 11 human beings as well as the untold environmental and economic negative impacts we have yet to fully realize.

The Exxon Valdez had a price tag of 3 billion associated with it, of which they paid 1 billion; and the negative impact is ongoing in Alaska 20 years later! This incident is already many times larger than that one. . .

[Henry Hawk]

it seems to me that our gov HAS to get involved in this.....we need to be doing EVERYTHING possible to stop this, and begin a REAL clean up....we should not expect BP to do this alone....and I am not saying that BP should NOT be responsible for ALL costs, because the should be....I am NOT defending that at all.

[Henry Hawk]

I think THIS is something that needs a close look at.... I bumped this one in case some have not heard about it....

I like this story about Kevin Costner and HIS efforts....this is a very interesting Idea, that BP is going to try....

http://news.spreadit.org/kevin-costner-oil-spill/

Kevin Costner Oil Spill – Kevin Costner has been extremely vocal with his thoughts on the Gulf of Mexico oil spill disaster that took place over a month ago. He feels that the situation is not being handled correctly, and gave an opinion that differs from those of many experts. Costner has been in charge of the construction of oil separation machines. He has been working on the project to prepare for another large oil spill, which is exactly what we have on our hands now.
Costner was heavily affected by the lasting effects of the Valdez oil spill in Alaska in 1989, and decided that he would like to invest money toward a solution for the problem.

Reportedly, Costner, who is an environmentalist and fisherman, saw the spill when it originally happened and didn’t like the fact that there is currently no way to separate oil easily from the watter that it has spilled into. His brother, Dan, is a scientists who has been working on the project with him and recently spent some time in New Orleans observing the situation.


Doug Suttles, the Chief Operating Officer of BP recently approved up to six machines for testing their validity in the current situation. The machines are giant vacuum machines that are able to suck the oil from out of the water, and then separate the oil and water from one another. The oil is then stored in its own container, with the water, which is 99.9 purified at that point, back into the ocean.
“I’m very happy the light of day has come to this,” said Costner, who has spent 15 years working on the project during a news conference in New Orleans. “That is why it’s developed.”
“It’s prepared to go out and solve problems, not talk about them,” he said in reference to the technology he has invested millions of dollars in.