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Should the US Continue Off Shore Drilling Despite The Spill?

Started by Palehorse, May 04, 2010, 01:38:32 PM

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Sandy Eggo

Quote from: Exterminator on June 27, 2010, 02:28:16 PM
Why would he?  If he educates himself, he loses the foundation for his baseless arguments and has nothing.

Bingo!
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Sandy Eggo

Quote from: Anne on June 27, 2010, 02:04:48 PM
Nothing, but the storm missing it is a good thing, right? Why not take it for the piece of good news that it is?

Because it's not really good news until the oil is stopped, cleaned up and the threat of a storm isn't as serious.
Only after the last tree has been cut down. Only after the last river has been poisoned. Only after the last fish has been caught. Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten. - -Cree Indian Prophecy

"Women who strive to be equal to men lack ambitition" -- anonymous

Anne

If that is the way you want to live, fine. I have found that life is much too short to not appreciate every single little piece of good news.
"A discontented man will find no easy chair." Ben Franklin

Locutus

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

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Locutus

^^  Click that puppy over to gallons and get an idea how fast it's spewing.  :mad:

You can also change the daily estimates to reflect whose estimate you wish to use.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

The Troll

Quote from: Locutus on June 27, 2010, 06:23:59 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/06/25/oilTicker.swf

  BP would say, Hell, that just a drop in the Ocean.  2,000 skimmer in the country and Bp has been operating only 400.  What in Hell is wrong with this picture.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: The Troll on June 27, 2010, 02:14:47 PM
                                      IS THERE NO SMART, INTELLIGENT REPUBLICANS ANY MORE!

   First the anti-union logic.  Second, no knowloge of the Jones Act #55133.  Third the anti-Obama thing.  Forth,  no knowledge of skimmers.  Fifth, know everything about stabbing Obama and America in the back.

  Henry, go back up 4 post and read Jones Act #55113 on exemption on oil spills.  Foreign skimmer can come in on oil spill.  The union as nothing in it.

  In the United States there are 2000 skimmers, only 400 are in operation.  Why hasn't BP hired them.  This is one thing the government shouldn't have to do.   It's BP's mess, let them clean it up.

  Every day you get more and more like a baby Robin.  You have no reason in what you say.

Troll, again I may surprise you and admit that the Jones Act #55113, appears to give some credeance to this argument, but, it forces me into this next question as to WHY we STILL have 1600 skimmer NOT in use?....and the argument that YOU give is that It's BP's mess, let them clean it up is totally a wrong approach to fixing this problem..........we cannot wait on BP to act, we need to FIRST and FOREMOST, protect our coastline and waters....don't get me wrong, I still believe that BP MUST pay for these expenses, but the POTUS needs to worry about collecting from BP, AFTER this mess is fixed......

My biggest concern regading OTHERS coming in to help would be more of the National Security measures, and having the safegaurds in place of allowing others ships to be that close to our boarders....but, we MUST utilize ALL that is out there to clean this up, and not put it off any further.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2010, 08:29:00 AM

Troll, again I may surprise you and admit that the Jones Act #55113, appears to give some credeance to this argument, but, it forces me into this next question as to WHY we STILL have 1600 skimmer NOT in use?....and the argument that YOU give is that It's BP's mess, let them clean it up is totally a wrong approach to fixing this problem..........we cannot wait on BP to act, we need to FIRST and FOREMOST, protect our coastline and waters....don't get me wrong, I still believe that BP MUST pay for these expenses, but the POTUS needs to worry about collecting from BP, AFTER this mess is fixed......

My biggest concern regading OTHERS coming in to help would be more of the National Security measures, and having the safegaurds in place of allowing others ships to be that close to our boarders....but, we MUST utilize ALL that is out there to clean this up, and not put it off any further.

  Hey, aren't you the one that's against big goverment  and big goverment regulations.  What in hell are you crying for the government to do anything.  If it was up to you people all our govenment would do is supply a armed forces.  I just don't under stand  you Replublicans.

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2010, 08:29:00 AM
...but, it forces me into this next question as to WHY we STILL have 1600 skimmer NOT in use?

For the same reason that nine women can't have a baby in a month.  Sometimes, simply throwing more resources at a problem accomplishes nothing.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: The Troll on June 28, 2010, 09:27:26 AM
  I just don't under stand  you Replublicans.

and THAT is the problem.......you just won't even TRY to understand, because you are SO democrat, you just generalize ALL repubicans into a category that has been demonized by YOUR party....I have never said that the government is not responisble to do certain things, I just don't want them doing EVERTHING, and especially something that the private industry can do better and more effectively...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on June 28, 2010, 09:27:50 AM
For the same reason that nine women can't have a baby in a month.  Sometimes, simply throwing more resources at a problem accomplishes nothing.

I understand your logic, but I don't think that is a valid one for this situation....because they ARE NOT skimming enough to keep it from reaching our beaches...
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2010, 10:17:34 AM
I understand your logic, but I don't think that is a valid one for this situation....because they ARE NOT skimming enough to keep it from reaching our beaches...

I would imagine that there are a lot of complexities to skimming oil that you and I don't understand.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: Exterminator on June 28, 2010, 10:54:11 AM
I would imagine that there are a lot of complexities to skimming oil that you and I don't understand.

and you may very well be dead on correct...but from a innocent bystander, it sure would appear that there would be room and reason several hundred of them out there.....

I, without saying, am very critical of our government, and have very little trust in them, and I feel exactly the same about BP.....both parties are looking for political opportunities, and THIS is surly not the time for this....
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

The Troll

Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 28, 2010, 10:17:34 AM
I understand your logic, but I don't think that is a valid one for this situation....because they ARE NOT skimming enough to keep it from reaching our beaches...

  I got two reasons I think nothing is being done about foreign oil skimmers and why BP isn't fixing the leak.

  First, in the Jones Act you will see that all oil collected by foreign skimmers have to unload at American ports.  I bet if we let the foreign oil skimmer keep the crude they picked up and take home or sell it on the open market, they would swarm the Gulf, cleaning every bit of loose crude even wash the sand.  Besides that, BP should be made to rent the 1600 skimmer we have.  They should do it on their own and out of their own pocket.

  Second, why should BP pay millions of dollars to pipe the oil gusher up to the surface and have to have oil tankers standing by to pick up the oil.  When they can take that money and put into drilling two new wells and pump the oil pool under the Gulf dry.  If they get those well in, they will get to stay there for years and years.  That's what corporations do, make and save money, to hell with the environment.

Henry Hawk

Quote from: The Troll on June 28, 2010, 01:17:53 PM
  I got two reasons I think nothing is being done about foreign oil skimmers and why BP isn't fixing the leak.

  First, in the Jones Act you will see that all oil collected by foreign skimmers have to unload at American ports.  I bet if we let the foreign oil skimmer keep the crude they picked up and take home or sell it on the open market, they would swarm the Gulf, cleaning every bit of loose crude even wash the sand.  Besides that, BP should be made to rent the 1600 skimmer we have.  They should do it on their own and out of their own pocket.

  Second, why should BP pay millions of dollars to pipe the oil gusher up to the surface and have to have oil tankers standing by to pick up the oil.  When they can take that money and put into drilling two new wells and pump the oil pool under the Gulf dry.  If they get those well in, they will get to stay there for years and years.  That's what corporations do, make and save money, to hell with the environment.

Can't really argue with either of those remarks troll,........(this is getting kind of sacry  :spooked: )....but, ONE, has to think that BP, at least in my opinion, can make or break themselves by the way they handle themselves on the clean-up.....I can forgive a tragic mistake, if BP sincerely does what it takes to clean this mess up, BUT, if they do NOT do a FANTASTIC job of clean up, NOR do they make the proper cash settlements to those who are warrented to be compensated, in FULL.....I at that point, NEVER, EVER support BP again.  I say they have MORE at stake at making things right, than they do at not making things right...........but, I'm not sure if they see things this way.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW