And John McCain wanted to hoist this woman on the country as the Vice President. I don't even know what to make of this unintelligible babble. Listen to this shit and tell me if any of you understand exactly what the fuck it is she's trying to say here. :eek:
https://www.youtube.com/v/RrzD-zqWwWc
She's flat-out fucking nuts. As Y said one time, "I wish Alaska had a return policy on Sarah Palin." ;D I have to agree with him. Then we could ship her crazy WasillaBilly redneck ass back there never to be heard from again. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on January 24, 2015, 11:21:00 PM
She's flat-out fucking nuts. As Y said one time, "I wish Alaska had a return policy on Sarah Palin." ;D I have to agree with him. Then we could ship her crazy WasillaBilly redneck ass back there never to be heard from again. :yes:
I can't stand her or her dumbass commercial for her new show! I just mute it every time she comes on!
Quote from: Locutus on January 24, 2015, 11:09:31 PM
And John McCain wanted to hoist this woman on the country as the Vice President. I don't even know what to make of this unintelligible babble. Listen to this shit and tell me if any of you understand exactly what the fuck it is she's trying to say here. :eek:
https://www.youtube.com/v/RrzD-zqWwWc
Huh?????? I think she'd better get a new speech writer or quit writing her own for sure. I'm sure it made sense to her though.
She's considering running for POTUS (of course) and joining the GOP frenzy. . . :rolleyes:
YEP! :haha: The Republicans are going to need a big bus :shortbus: to replace the clown :jester: car. :bike: :groan:
Romney is officially NOT running for president again.
Quote from: Locutus on January 30, 2015, 12:21:32 PM
Romney is officially NOT running for president again.
Its early still.... :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on January 30, 2015, 12:21:32 PM
Romney is officially NOT running for president again.
I guess he realized three times is not a charm. :biggrin:
Besides, his old campaign staff had already jumped ship like a bunch of rats and went to Jeb's camp.
And, oh yeah ... what about that Faux News poll that had him leading all potential candidates? :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 30, 2015, 12:24:13 PM
Its early still.... :yes:
Wake up, Hank ....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/politics/romney-2016-call/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/politics/romney-2016-call/)
Maybe we need Yoda on this thread. ;D
Quote from: Bo D on January 30, 2015, 12:31:20 PM
Wake up, Hank ....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/politics/romney-2016-call/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/30/politics/romney-2016-call/)
I KNOW BO, I was being sarcastic....It was headline on Drudge this morning.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 30, 2015, 12:40:22 PM
I KNOW BO, I was being sarcastic....It was headline on Drudge this morning.
As if read Drudge, I do?
Clear you do not make yourself. Failed to cite web site you did.
Remember Romney's promise to get the unemployment rate to under 6% by the end of four years and 11 million new jobs before 2016
Wait ... that's already been done so I guess he couldn't run on that one again. :rotfl: :rotfl:
Lucky for Hank the other 8 stooges are still in it. :biggrin:
Romney said, "After putting considerable thought into making another run for president, I've decided it is best to give other leaders losers in the party the opportunity to become our next nominee."
MALO!
Miss this I will ....
(http://domania.us/Oaccess/POLITIC/RomneyDogRoof2.gif)
This too .... :icon_twisted:
(http://cdn0.dailydot.com/cache/5a/80/5a80d22e565606fe9c8a99f59156da09.jpg)
Quote from: Bo D on January 30, 2015, 01:03:45 PM
This too .... :icon_twisted:
(http://cdn0.dailydot.com/cache/5a/80/5a80d22e565606fe9c8a99f59156da09.jpg)
This guy here was probably the smartest Republican crook they had. :haha:
And the Repukes having their little beauty contest at CPAC prove just how dimwitted they are:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/cpacs-ask-a-speaker-hashtag-campaign-backfires-before-the-conference-even-begins/
:rotfl:
LMAO! Here are the lunatic fringe results. There's barely a sane one among them.
:eek:
CPAC 2015: See the full straw poll results
By Washington Times Staff - The Washington Times - Saturday, February 28, 2015
Percent Candidate
25.7 Sen. Rand Paul
21.4 Gov. Scott Walker
11.5 Sen. Ted Cruz
11.4 Dr. Ben Carson
8.3 Former Gov. Jeb Bush
4.3 Former Sen. Rick Santorum
3.7 Sen. Marco Rubio
3.5 Donald Trump
3.0 Carly Fiorina
2.8 Gov. Chris Christie
1.1 Former Gov. Rick Perry
0.9 Gov. Bobby Jindal
0.8 Former Gov. Sarah Palin
0.3 Former Gov. Mike Huckabee
0.3 Former Ambassador John Bolton
0.1 Sen. Lindsey Graham
0.1 Former Gov. George Pataki
1.0 Undecided
0.7 Other
(3,007 votes cast Feb. 25-27 at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Conducted by the Polling Company Inc./WomenTrend)
What else do you expect when idiots congregate in large numbers? ;D
That type of insanity! :biggrin:
Well, that Toilet Paper Party darlin' idjit Ted Cruz has announced that he thinks he's 'presidential' material. :rotfl:
Now lets see if the RW nincompoops can swallow their inherent hypocrisy long enough to seriously question his American citizenship. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Y on March 23, 2015, 05:53:42 PM
Well, that Toilet Paper Party darlin' idjit Ted Cruz has announced that he thinks he's 'presidential' material. :rotfl:
Now lets see if the RW nincompoops can swallow their inherent hypocrisy long enough to seriously question his American citizenship. :icon_twisted:
I have a SIL that posted Cruz's Tweet on another social network. . . I almost lost my breakfast considering that aside from his political choices I really like the guy. . . I am now finding that may require reconsideration.
My favorite smokin' hot Internet atheist babe absolutely skewers Ted Cruz in this video. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/v/5aQJO_5IQEY
:drool1:
Quote from: Locutus on March 24, 2015, 06:40:01 PM
My favorite smokin' hot Internet atheist babe absolutely skewers Ted Cruz in this video. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/v/5aQJO_5IQEY
:drool1:
Nailed it! :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2015, 06:47:03 PM
Nailed it! :yes: :biggrin:
Yeah, I'd like to nail.......er, uh,......never mind. :sneaky:
Quote from: Locutus on March 24, 2015, 06:51:11 PM
Yeah, I'd like to nail.......er, uh,......never mind. :sneaky:
Umm. . .err. . . Yeah. . . I was talking about what she said. . . :angel:
:biggrin:
At this point what difference does it make? :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on March 24, 2015, 07:35:46 PM
At this point what difference does it make? :rolleyes:
What difference does what make?
Quote from: Locutus on March 24, 2015, 08:31:29 PM
What difference does what make?
That was a sarcastic remark. Think Hillary.....Great liberal candidate ya'll have there.
Quote from: Locutus on March 24, 2015, 06:40:01 PM
My favorite smokin' hot Internet atheist babe absolutely skewers Ted Cruz in this video. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/v/5aQJO_5IQEY
:drool1:
I love her!
Quote from: me on March 24, 2015, 10:22:29 PM
Think Hillary.....Great liberal candidate ya'll have there.
Yeah, Yale graduate, former governor's wife, former first lady, former senator, former secretary of state...she has no credentials whatsoever. :rolleyes:
She's going to be the next president of the United States. You know that; right?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 25, 2015, 11:26:02 AM
She's going to be the next president of the United States. You know that; right?
No way. I'm not saying that THE GOP will win it, but it WON'T be Hillary. O'Malley or Elizabeth Warren, but no way the democrats will pick Hillary.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 25, 2015, 11:26:02 AM
Yeah, Yale graduate, former governor's wife, former first lady, former senator, former secretary of state...she has no credentials whatsoever. :rolleyes:
She's going to be the next president of the United States. You know that; right?
Credentials don't mean a thing if the person is less than desirable.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 25, 2015, 11:24:14 AM
I love her!
Doesn't get much better than smokin' hot AND with a brain. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on March 25, 2015, 01:48:01 PM
Doesn't get much better than smokin' hot AND with a brain. ;D
Nope! Maybe we should pick her to run for POTUS; she's desirable!
Several Repug hopefuls - besides Mike Pence who, career wise just committed suicide - decided to slit their throats in that fruitless run for the gold by coming out in support of Pence and his 'discrimination hiding behind religion' legislation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/republicans-self-defeating-stand/2015/03/31/8ffe064c-d7cf-11e4-8103-fa84725dbf9d_story.html
Alas for Republican 2016 hopes, the leading candidates had already backed the original, discriminatory version of the law.
Jeb Bush said people ultimately "aren't going to see this as discriminatory at all." Ted Cruz praised Indiana for "giving voice to millions of courageous conservatives." Rubio said, "People have a right to live out their religious faith in their own lives." Bobby Jindal, Ben Carson, Rick Santorum and Scott Walker chimed in with supportive statements.
Gawd Bless YOU, Mike Pence! Bless you sir! :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 24, 2015, 06:40:01 PM
My favorite smokin' hot Internet atheist babe absolutely skewers Ted Cruz in this video. :biggrin:
https://www.youtube.com/v/5aQJO_5IQEY
:drool1:
DUDES! Let's start a GoFundMe page for her!
At this point I think I'll vote for the person the left goes after the hardest because that would be the person they are most afraid of and the one who will set things right.
Quote from: Bo D on April 03, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
DUDES! Let's start a GoFundMe page for her!
:food5: :thumbsup: Post the link. I'll donate!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 25, 2015, 12:37:50 PM
No way. I'm not saying that THE GOP will win it, but it WON'T be Hillary. O'Malley or Elizabeth Warren, but no way the democrats will pick Hillary.
Want to bet, I got a $100 saying they will pick Hillary. :wink: :biggrin: Another question, how big of a clown car are the Republicans going to need. :shortbus: :sailor: :wink:
How big of a 'clown car'? A really, really big one! :biggrin:
Jebby doesn't know his own ethnicity! :rotfl:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2015/0406/Is-Jeb-Bush-Hispanic-Yes-according-to-2009-voter-registration-application
Is Jeb Bush Hispanic? Yes, according to 2009 voter-registration application.
Might 2016 Republican presidential hopeful Jeb Bush be so eager to appeal to the Hispanic vote – the former Florida governor speaks fluent Spanish and once called illegal immigration "an act of love" – that, in a Freudian slip of sorts, he momentarily forgot his own heritage and self-identified as Hispanic in government records?
That's one possible explanation for why Mr. Bush identified himself as Hispanic in a 2009 voter registration application, according to a Miami-Dade County document published Monday by The New York Times.
Of course, it may also simply have been a mistake.
Jindal can't help but show his hypocrisy! :rotfl:
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/bizarro-world-jindal-says-gays-dont-need
Bizarro World: Jindal Says Gays Don't Need 'Special' Laws, But Christians 'Face Discrimination'
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) said over the weekend that Christians in Indiana needed a law to make sure that they were not forced to serve same-sex weddings, but LGBT people in his state did not need "special legal protections" against housing and employment discrimination.
During an interview on Meet the Press, Jindal asserted that businesses in Indiana were facing "discrimination."
"Businesses that don't want to choose between their Christian faith -- their sincerely held religious beliefs -- and being able to operate their businesses," he opined. "Now, what they don't want is the government to force them to participate in wedding ceremonies that contradict their beliefs."
"So I was disappointed that you could see Christians and their businesses face discrimination in Indiana, but I hope the legislators will fix that -- rectify that."
But when it came to a New Orleans ordinance protecting LGBT people against housing and employment discrimination, Jindal suggested that government was trying to solve a problem that did not exist.
"I don't think there should be discrimination certainly against anybody in housing and employment," he said. "That's not what my faith teaches me. I think the good news is our society is moving in a direction of more tolerance."
"My concern about creating special legal protections is, historically in our country, we've only done that in extraordinary circumstances," the Republican governor continued. "And it doesn't appear to me that we're at one of those moments today."
According to Jindal, "there are many that turn to the heavy hand of government to solve societies problems too easily."
"I do think we need to be very careful about creating special rights," he declared.
These RW/TP clowns can't stop tripping all over themselves going for the gold!
If nothing else, the Repug side of the race promises loads of free and fun entertainment! :biggrin:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-first-official-day-on-the-trail-rand-paul-turns-a-prickly-performance/2015/04/08/2be3a326-de35-11e4-a1b8-2ed88bc190d2_story.html
On first official day on the trail, Rand Paul turns in a prickly performance
MILFORD, N.H. — Less than 24 hours after Rand Paul announced his White House bid before hundreds of jubilant, flag-waving supporters, his fledgling presidential campaign seemed to be defined more by his defiant performance when the cheering stopped.
In a series of interviews after the freshman senator from Kentucky declared his candidacy on Tuesday, Paul turned prickly — briskly sidestepping tough foreign policy questions from one journalist, lecturing another on how to conduct an interview, and testily declining to clarify his position on abortion.
And so, as Paul's first full day of campaigning drew to a close, the narrative surrounding his campaign came straight from the candidate. It just wasn't one he'd chosen himself.
:rotfl:
And the Great White 'Libertarian' Hope makes an arse of himself and shows that he's as big a clown as the rest of them!
He has ZERO chance of the nomination.
Quote from: Locutus on April 09, 2015, 06:41:24 PM
He has ZERO chance of the nomination.
I dunno, he got elected by those idiots in Kentucky despite being a closet Nazi and racist SOB. And those foggers breed like rats!
Quote from: Palehorse on April 09, 2015, 06:48:34 PM
I dunno, he got elected by those idiots in Kentucky despite being a closet Nazi and racist SOB. And those foggers breed like rats!
Yeah, but fortunately, other states also get a say in the matter. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on April 09, 2015, 06:50:16 PM
Yeah, but fortunately, other states also get a say in the matter. :yes:
Yeah, but that can be bought thanks to the SCOTUS. A handful of major corporate backers and he's in like flint. They'll flood the media with emotional propaganda, half-truths, and outright lies. Done deal. . . :mad:
Quote from: Y on April 09, 2015, 05:27:40 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-first-official-day-on-the-trail-rand-paul-turns-a-prickly-performance/2015/04/08/2be3a326-de35-11e4-a1b8-2ed88bc190d2_story.html
On first official day on the trail, Rand Paul turns in a prickly performance
MILFORD, N.H. — Less than 24 hours after Rand Paul announced his White House bid before hundreds of jubilant, flag-waving supporters, his fledgling presidential campaign seemed to be defined more by his defiant performance when the cheering stopped.
In a series of interviews after the freshman senator from Kentucky declared his candidacy on Tuesday, Paul turned prickly — briskly sidestepping tough foreign policy questions from one journalist, lecturing another on how to conduct an interview, and testily declining to clarify his position on abortion.
And so, as Paul's first full day of campaigning drew to a close, the narrative surrounding his campaign came straight from the candidate. It just wasn't one he'd chosen himself.
:rotfl:
And the Great White 'Libertarian' Hope makes an arse of himself and shows that he's as big a clown as the rest of them!
Hell. They're going to need an accordion bus to drive all of these clowns around in!
(http://www.transitmuseumeducation.org/images/vocab/photo_articulatedbus_wm.jpg)
And yet another one announces!
This is going to end badly. . . With that bus looking like this:
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/7443634_G_zpsvpsjtddo.jpg) (http://s475.photobucket.com/user/hlovett_2008/media/7443634_G_zpsvpsjtddo.jpg.html)
LMAO!
And the half-wit Rubio alienates that largest voting block - the Boomers - with his 'ageism'.
Step to the back of the bus, clown. :biggrin:
Rubio is toast too. He's not going to run for reelection for state Senator, and he's clearly not going to win the Republican nomination. Good thing he has Obamacare. ;D
All aboard! Get ready for a Chinese Fire Drill on the Repug Clown Car! :biggrin:
(https://lynnrockets.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/republicancandidatesclowncar.jpg)
http://2016.republican-candidates.org/
Republican Party
• Skip Andrews ◄ DECLARED
• Kerry Bowers ◄ DECLARED
• Jeb Bush ◄ EXPLORING
• Dr. Ben Carson ◄ EXPLORING
• Dale Christensen ◄ DECLARED
• Chris Christie ◄ EXPLORING
• Ted Cruz ◄ DECLARED
• John Dummett, Jr. ◄ DECLARED
• Bob Ehrlich
• Mark Everson ◄ DECLARED
• Carly Fiorina ◄ EXPLORING
• Lindsey Graham ◄ EXPLORING
• Chris Hill ◄ DECLARED
• Mike Huckabee ◄ EXPLORING
• Bobby Jindal ◄ EXPLORING
• John Kasich
• Peter King
• Michael Kinlaw ◄ DECLARED
• Dennis Michael Lynch ◄ EXPLORING
• George Pataki ◄ EXPLORING
• Rand Paul ◄ DECLARED
• Rick Perry ◄ EXPLORING
• Michael Petyo ◄ DECLARED
• Marco Rubio ◄ DECLARED
• Brian Russell ◄ DECLARED
• Rick Santorum ◄ EXPLORING
• Rick Snyder
• Donald Trump ◄ EXPLORING
• Scott Walker ◄ EXPLORING
Quote from: Y on May 03, 2015, 05:07:45 PM
All aboard! Get ready for a Chinese Fire Drill on the Repug Clown Car! :biggrin:
(https://lynnrockets.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/republicancandidatesclowncar.jpg)
http://2016.republican-candidates.org/
Republican Party
• Skip Andrews ◄ DECLARED
• Kerry Bowers ◄ DECLARED
• Jeb Bush ◄ EXPLORING
• Dr. Ben Carson ◄ EXPLORING
• Dale Christensen ◄ DECLARED
• Chris Christie ◄ EXPLORING
• Ted Cruz ◄ DECLARED
• John Dummett, Jr. ◄ DECLARED
• Bob Ehrlich
• Mark Everson ◄ DECLARED
• Carly Fiorina ◄ EXPLORING
• Lindsey Graham ◄ EXPLORING
• Chris Hill ◄ DECLARED
• Mike Huckabee ◄ EXPLORING
• Bobby Jindal ◄ EXPLORING
• John Kasich
• Peter King
• Michael Kinlaw ◄ DECLARED
• Dennis Michael Lynch ◄ EXPLORING
• George Pataki ◄ EXPLORING
• Rand Paul ◄ DECLARED
• Rick Perry ◄ EXPLORING
• Michael Petyo ◄ DECLARED
• Marco Rubio ◄ DECLARED
• Brian Russell ◄ DECLARED
• Rick Santorum ◄ EXPLORING
• Rick Snyder
• Donald Trump ◄ EXPLORING
• Scott Walker ◄ EXPLORING
2 or 3 more declared today. . . They're going to have to trade in that clown car for a bus! :rotfl:
Then after the primary they'll reap the huge harvest of sour grapes, further dividing an already greatly divided party. . . And then they'll wonder why they lost yet again. . . And then they'll start saying no all over again! :rolleyes:
I thought you liberals were supposed to be about diversity. As of now, the republicans have entered One Woman, One African American and Two Latino's.....The democrats have TWO. A white woman and a white man.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 05, 2015, 12:14:15 PM
As of now, the republicans have entered One Woman, One African American and Two Latino's...
...none of whom will ever get the nomination. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 05, 2015, 12:15:47 PM
...none of whom will ever get the nomination. :rolleyes:
True dat!
And now Mike Suckabee has thrown his hat into the ring for a second try. He's also not going to get the nomination.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 05, 2015, 12:14:15 PM
I thought you liberals were supposed to be about diversity. As of now, the republicans have entered One Woman, One African American and Two Latino's.....The democrats have TWO. A white woman and a white man.
Token representation surrounding minority candidates and female candidates doesn't count toward diversity; especially when none of them have an ice cube's chance in Hell of actually obtaining the nomination, much less being elected.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 05, 2015, 12:15:47 PM
...none of whom will ever get the nomination. :rolleyes:
What??????? I'm sure one of the candidates who are running will be nominated. That statement didn't even make sense EX.
I wonder how long we'll have to wait for Sarah "My Pretty Pony" Palin to throw her bra into the ring? :rotfl:
On Monday morning, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina announced she's running for United States president. But if you head to CarlyFiorina.org, you'll find a message that criticizes her for firing thousands of workers at HP (HPCQ).
It shows 30,000 sad faces -- one for every employee that was laid off while Fiorina was chief executive from 1999 to 2005. The accusation that she outsourced so many American jobs is a major thorn in Fiorina's side -- and one reason she lost her bid for U.S. Senate in 2010.. . .
http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/04/technology/carly-fiorina-website/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_tech_pool&iid=obnetwork (http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/04/technology/carly-fiorina-website/index.html?iid=ob_homepage_tech_pool&iid=obnetwork)
DOAH !
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Quote from: Palehorse on May 05, 2015, 05:33:43 PM
I wonder how long we'll have to wait for Sarah "My Pretty Pony" Palin to throw her bra into the ring? :rotfl:
That bitch needs to go back to Alaska and STFU.
Quote from: Locutus on May 05, 2015, 06:44:28 PM
That bitch needs to go back to Alaska and STFU.
Preach it on my brother! 8)
The mere fact that she pisses liberals off is good enough for me!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 05, 2015, 07:32:47 PM
The mere fact that she pisses liberals off is good enough for me!
That position is akin to cutting your nose off to spite your face.
I didn't say I want her to be potus, just around to piss off liberals
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 05, 2015, 07:32:47 PM
The mere fact that she pisses liberals off is good enough for me!
That actually makes her the most skilled candidate the conservatives have!
I think you'd better be doing some credential checking there Ex and quit listening to those bone heads in the media.
And Jebby steps on his lil' pee-pee over his demented brother and Iraq!
What a hoot!
You couldn't pay for this kind of entertainment...and yet it's all free from the Repug clowns!
:biggrin:
Quote from: Y on May 15, 2015, 05:37:59 PM
And Jebby steps on his lil' pee-pee over his demented brother and Iraq!
What a hoot!
You couldn't pay for this kind of entertainment...and yet it's all free from the Repug clowns!
:biggrin:
He's skeered to say he's running too. Keeps acting like he is but won't say it. :biggrin:
And the 'Bush' question trips up yet another Repug clown:
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/17/marco_rubio_is_toast_fox_news_trips_up_another_republican_with_simple_iraq_war_question/
Marco Rubio is toast: Fox News trips up another Republican with simple Iraq war question
Sen. Marco Rubio went down in flames on "Fox News Sunday," tripped up by the exact same question which sent his one-time mentor Jeb Bush's campaign into a spiral: Was it a mistake to go into Iraq in 2003.
Fox News host Chris Wallace stayed aggressive while Rubio evaded and repeatedly tried to turn the question back on Wallace.
Thank you, Georgie, you're the gift that just keeps on giving! :rotfl:
Really, really, really is this all the Republican got to run for President of the USA. :rant: I would like to see them in their clown bus :shortbus: go over a cliff and save the country from all of their rotten bull shit. :4th3: :salute:
Mike Pence
Quote from: Locutus on May 19, 2015, 06:34:10 PM
Mike Pence
I hope it ends up the same way surrounding Indiana's Gov. election; which he has announced the desire for a second term within today. His "religious legislation" idiocy likely has cost him his job in the next election in Indiana, so we'll get to see his ass ensconced within his former office at republican HQ in Madison county if that happens. :rolleyes:
Between him and Bitch Daniels, they've run this state into the ground and turned its citizens into slave laborers working for barely above minimum wage.
I take great hope in the fact that Illinois, long a bastion for steadfast labor support, resoundingly defeated that states own legislation attempting to turn its status to "right to work". And in soundly rejecting that tripe, they exposed many of the very same things I've been pointing out here about it.
What are your opinions of Dr. Ben Carson? He believes in a hard work ethic but not sure his other political views.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 18, 2015, 06:25:08 PM
He's skeered to say he's running too. Keeps acting like he is but won't say it. :biggrin:
He's not scared. He knows exactly what he's doing.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/18/politics/election-2016-gop-super-pacs-running/
His views on Gun Control, Gay Marriage, and "End of Life Care" will ensure he does NOT get the nomination for POTUS out of the GOP. Those three issues alone are volatile ones and his viewpoints are 180 degrees from the party line. (Example: His position on end of life care- "Decisions on who should be treated and who should not be treated would clearly require some national guidelines", which is aligned directly against the prevalent propaganda the GOP used in fighting the ACA).
His support of a "flat tax" will rile big business in this country, effectively drying up his campaign war chest revenue flow.
His support for a tax-exempt health savings account created at birth, that can be bequeathed at death, along with an electronic medical record and birth certificate, will not go over well with the GOP either.
His performance in the GOP's own "straw polls has him finishing behind the likes of extremists Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, as well as Santorum consistently; which should tell anyone watching such things which way the party is leaning on the "issues", and what those "issues" are. Carson will not do well at all.
His position on evolution goes directly against his self proclaimed status as a "man of science trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data."
He has waffled on several of these issues when called out on them within public venues, just like every other politician has; which is an indication of what he will do should he actually become POTUS. (Bow to the pressure that comes to bear from big business and special interests; which is likely the only thing he really has going for him in this quest from the GOP perspective).
In short, he is noise being encouraged by the party movers and shakers, so that they can point to him as an example of their "embracing diversity", and nothing more. If anything, his candidacy will serve no purpose other than to dilute the process in order to increase the likelihood of one of the more extremist candidates of obtaining the endorsement .
Quote from: Palehorse on May 19, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
His views on Gun Control, Gay Marriage, and "End of Life Care" will ensure he does NOT get the nomination for POTUS out of the GOP. Those three issues alone are volatile ones and his viewpoints are 180 degrees from the party line. (Example: His position on end of life care- "Decisions on who should be treated and who should not be treated would clearly require some national guidelines", which is aligned directly against the prevalent propaganda the GOP used in fighting the ACA).
His support of a "flat tax" will rile big business in this country, effectively drying up his campaign war chest revenue flow.
His support for a tax-exempt health savings account created at birth, that can be bequeathed at death, along with an electronic medical record and birth certificate, will not go over well with the GOP either.
His performance in the GOP's own "straw polls has him finishing behind the likes of extremists Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, as well as Santorum consistently; which should tell anyone watching such things which way the party is leaning on the "issues", and what those "issues" are. Carson will not do well at all.
His position on evolution goes directly against his self proclaimed status as a "man of science trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data."
He has waffled on several of these issues when called out on them within public venues, just like every other politician has; which is an indication of what he will do should he actually become POTUS. (Bow to the pressure that comes to bear from big business and special interests; which is likely the only thing he really has going for him in this quest from the GOP perspective).
In short, he is noise being encouraged by the party movers and shakers, so that they can point to him as an example of their "embracing diversity", and nothing more. If anything, his candidacy will serve no purpose other than to dilute the process in order to increase the likelihood of one of the more extremist candidates of obtaining the endorsement .
This was to the Carson question, correct?
Quote from: Locutus on May 19, 2015, 09:25:37 PM
This was to the Carson question, correct?
Correct. Sorry, should have quoted it.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 19, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
His views on Gun Control, Gay Marriage, and "End of Life Care" will ensure he does NOT get the nomination for POTUS out of the GOP. Those three issues alone are volatile ones and his viewpoints are 180 degrees from the party line. (Example: His position on end of life care- "Decisions on who should be treated and who should not be treated would clearly require some national guidelines", which is aligned directly against the prevalent propaganda the GOP used in fighting the ACA).
His support of a "flat tax" will rile big business in this country, effectively drying up his campaign war chest revenue flow.
His support for a tax-exempt health savings account created at birth, that can be bequeathed at death, along with an electronic medical record and birth certificate, will not go over well with the GOP either.
His performance in the GOP's own "straw polls has him finishing behind the likes of extremists Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, as well as Santorum consistently; which should tell anyone watching such things which way the party is leaning on the "issues", and what those "issues" are. Carson will not do well at all.
His position on evolution goes directly against his self proclaimed status as a "man of science trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data."
He has waffled on several of these issues when called out on them within public venues, just like every other politician has; which is an indication of what he will do should he actually become POTUS. (Bow to the pressure that comes to bear from big business and special interests; which is likely the only thing he really has going for him in this quest from the GOP perspective).
In short, he is noise being encouraged by the party movers and shakers, so that they can point to him as an example of their "embracing diversity", and nothing more. If anything, his candidacy will serve no purpose other than to dilute the process in order to increase the likelihood of one of the more extremist candidates of obtaining the endorsement .
I thought the same thing on some of his views but couldn't express them as well as you! I can respect that he worked hard to get where he is and to be a pediatric neurologist is a whole different type of person but I want someone who has a clear vision!
Doesn't really matter what his views are; he isn't white, ergo, will never get the Republican nomination.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 20, 2015, 01:08:50 PM
Doesn't really matter what his views are; he isn't white, ergo, will never get the Republican nomination.
I don't know about that. They have backed several in other positions who are of different races. As long as the person can do the job, race shouldn't matter. After all, Allen West is Republican and even though he was defeated, he was well thought of by Republicans.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 20, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
I don't know about that. They have backed several in other positions who are of different races. As long as the person can do the job, race shouldn't matter. After all, Allen West is Republican and even though he was defeated, he was well thought of by Republicans.
We're talking about the POTUS...not going to happen.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 20, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
We're talking about the POTUS...not going to happen.
It may, may not be Carson but it may happen. May not be this election but it may come!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 20, 2015, 03:03:58 PM
It may, may not be Carson but it may happen. May not be this election but it may come!
It may but given the current political landscape, it won't be happening any time soon.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 20, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
We're talking about the POTUS...not going to happen.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 20, 2015, 03:13:23 PM
It may but given the current political landscape, it won't be happening any time soon.
I agree with you.
There will have to be wholesale change in the makeup of the Republican party. As the current makeup stands, it's FAR too RW, white, and racist. Until that changes, the party will manipulate and use their lone colored faces as little hand puppets being waved around so as to say "see, we're diversified!", but the party will neither nominate them nor elect them.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 20, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
I don't know about that. They have backed several in other positions who are of different races. As long as the person can do the job, race shouldn't matter. After all, Allen West is Republican and even though he was defeated, he was well thought of by Republicans.
Allen West - just like Ben Carson - is a crazy whacknut.
If you've ever listened or read the stupid things he says, you'd be glad he couldn't get elected. He's a crazy authoritarian - and worse - to the core.
Carson is a prime example of a person who can be technically adept but a real crackpot. That idiot actually thinks the planet is only a few thousand years old.
Those are the types of blacks the RW flaunts and encourages - the types that couldn't get elected president on a bet.
Quote from: Y on May 20, 2015, 03:55:55 PM
Allen West - just like Ben Carson - is a crazy whacknut.
If you've ever listened or read the stupid things he says, you'd be glad he couldn't get elected. He's a crazy authoritarian - and worse - to the core.
He sure is! He is a former resident of South Florida, so I know more than most just how true those words are Y.
Quote from: Y on May 20, 2015, 03:55:55 PM
Allen West - just like Ben Carson - is a crazy whacknut.
If you've ever listened or read the stupid things he says, you'd be glad he couldn't get elected. He's a crazy authoritarian - and worse - to the core.
Carson is a prime example of a person who can be technically adept but a real crackpot. That idiot actually thinks the planet is only a few thousand years old.
Those are the types of blacks the RW flaunts and encourages - the types that couldn't get elected president on a bet.
I never said I agreed with West, just showing that he being a man of color has been in political office.
Ya'll are being racist ya know. Of course you don't see it that way but I sure do since you, in essence, are calling them stupid not to mention disagreeing with them which is not allowed since they are black.
Quote from: me on May 21, 2015, 02:20:21 AM
Ya'll are being racist ya know. Of course you don't see it that way but I sure do since you, in essence, are calling them stupid not to mention disagreeing with them which is not allowed since they are black.
I don't see anyone being racist. They are pointing out that the Republican party has a tendency to only pull for white candidates. That part is true!
Quote from: me on May 21, 2015, 02:20:21 AM
Ya'll are being racist ya know. Of course you don't see it that way but I sure do since you, in essence, are calling them stupid not to mention disagreeing with them which is not allowed since they are black.
I'm sure that somehow made sense to you when you said it to yourself in your head. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 07:34:47 AM
I don't see anyone being racist. They are pointing out that the Republican party has a tendency to only pull for white candidates. That part is true!
Exactly!
Quote from: Exterminator on May 21, 2015, 08:14:52 AM
Exactly!
There are plenty of Republicans not white but not running or will be nominated by the Republican party for President. It may come some time but not yet.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 07:34:47 AM
I don't see anyone being racist. They are pointing out that the Republican party has a tendency to only pull for white candidates. That part is true!
Racist is racist and what you are doing is racist by your own standards. If you can tell me I can't disagree with Obama because he's black then you shouldn't be able to do it with blacks who are Republican. No double standards, what fits for one fits for the other.
Quote from: me on May 21, 2015, 09:47:53 AM
Racist is racist and what you are doing is racist by your own standards. If you can tell me I can't disagree with Obama because he's black then you shouldn't be able to do it with blacks who are Republican. No double standards, what fits for one fits for the other.
Nope, that is your thinking, not mine. I disagree with Obama and don't like his politics. That has nothing to do with his race. But you keep thinking that. It would be the same if any person was in the highest office in the land and was of a different race, whether they are Republican or Democrat. I don't like the views of some whether they are black, white, pink or purple. The only one making it a race issue is you!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 10:41:38 AM
Nope, that is your thinking, not mine. I disagree with Obama and don't like his politics. That has nothing to do with his race. But you keep thinking that. It would be the same if any person was in the highest office in the land and was of a different race, whether they are Republican or Democrat. I don't like the views of some whether they are black, white, pink or purple. The only one making it a race issue is you!
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Quote from: Bo D on May 21, 2015, 10:54:08 AM
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Thanks and if there was a qualified black, Hispanic, Asian person running for President, I would vote for him regardless of what party he or she is a member of. At the moment, I haven't seen any who impress me any and that includes white also.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 10:41:38 AM
Nope, that is your thinking, not mine. I disagree with Obama and don't like his politics. That has nothing to do with his race. But you keep thinking that. It would be the same if any person was in the highest office in the land and was of a different race, whether they are Republican or Democrat. I don't like the views of some whether they are black, white, pink or purple. The only one making it a race issue is you!
WAIT! I am trying to stay out of this, but EX, by far, is the only one trying to make this a race issue. Just go back and look.
As GOD as my witness...I do not care what color or sex my next POTUS is. As long as they are not flaming liberal and lean MORE to the right than to the left.........I'm going to be pretty happy.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 10:41:38 AM
Nope, that is your thinking, not mine. I disagree with Obama and don't like his politics. That has nothing to do with his race. But you keep thinking that. It would be the same if any person was in the highest office in the land and was of a different race, whether they are Republican or Democrat. I don't like the views of some whether they are black, white, pink or purple. The only one making it a race issue is you!
Let's face it, you are a Republican, elitist, authoritarian and anyone who disagrees with you, you paint black. :repub: :kooks:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
WAIT! I am trying to stay out of this, but EX, by far, is the only one trying to make this a race issue. Just go back and look.
As GOD as my witness...I do not care what color or sex my next POTUS is. As long as they are not flaming liberal and lean MORE to the right than to the left.........I'm going to be pretty happy.
WHAT? Hawk, you got an invisible guy bearing witness for you. :haha: :haha: Give me a break Bunky. :rolleyes: :rotfl: Can you get him to lay his hand of the bible. :wink: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on May 21, 2015, 11:19:15 AM
Let's face it, you are a Republican, elitist, authoritarian and anyone who disagrees with you, you paint black. :repub: :kooks:
Wrong, I vote both Republican and Democrat and even Independent, it is who is going to do the best job for this country regardless of race. I am by far not rich which is what most Republicans are and elitist but keep thinking that.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
WAIT! I am trying to stay out of this, but EX, by far, is the only one trying to make this a race issue. Just go back and look.
As GOD as my witness...I do not care what color or sex my next POTUS is. As long as they are not flaming liberal and lean MORE to the right than to the left.........I'm going to be pretty happy.
No, Ex was pointing out that Republicans tend to only run white for President and have yet to run a black or any other race for candidate. I don't care what the next President is as long as they can do the job.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 11:25:50 AM
Wrong, I vote both Republican and Democrat and even Independent, it is who is going to do the best job for this country regardless of race. I am by far not rich which is what most Republicans are and elitist but keep thinking that.
That's what I'm think, because that is what you are putting out. Every time you open your mouth. :salute: :tiphat:
Quote from: The Troll on May 21, 2015, 11:29:33 AM
That's what I'm think, because that is what you are putting out. Every time you open your mouth. :salute: :tiphat:
It shows you know nothing about me but just assume which we all know what assume means that you think I am Republican, elitist, and rich. You are so far off the mark that you are wrong! If any one of any race regardless of what they are is qualified to do the job than let them and if they aren't, they shouldn't be put in that office, whether it is an animal control officer to being President. By the way, if you would bother to read, I have never stated what political party I am. I asked what some thought of Ben Carson running as his political views seems to be hard to get.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 11:27:30 AM
No, Ex was pointing out that Republicans tend to only run white for President and have yet to run a black or any other race for candidate. I don't care what the next President is as long as they can do the job.
That is not true at all.....he is not pointing out anything....he is saying those on the right are racist and will NEVER vote for anybody but a white guy.....and that is simply not true.
Heck, how many blacks has the democrats turned out for POTUS? Just one. It is not like they have the market on this.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 11:55:40 AM
That is not true at all.....he is not pointing out anything....he is saying those on the right are racist and will NEVER vote for anybody but a white guy.....and that is simply not true.
Heck, how many blacks has the democrats turned out for POTUS? Just one. It is not like they have the market on this.
Very true on the Democrats and voting but I still say Ex was showing that the Republican party only endorses white. That may change in time but who knows.
I don't see any one of any other race being endorsed by either party.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 11:17:12 AM
WAIT! I am trying to stay out of this, but EX, by far, is the only one trying to make this a race issue. Just go back and look.
Pointing out that the baby is ugly doesn't mean I made it that way. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 11:55:40 AM
That is not true at all.....he is not pointing out anything....he is saying those on the right are racist and will NEVER vote for anybody but a white guy.....and that is simply not true.
No, I am saying that there are enough on the right who are racist that a person of color will never get their nomination for POTUS.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 21, 2015, 12:14:10 PM
No, I am saying that there are enough on the right who are racist that a person of color will never get their nomination for POTUS.
Exactly, you aren't saying that you are racist but that Republicans will never put a person of any color in office at the moment.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 12:05:11 PM
Very true on the Democrats and voting but I still say Ex was showing that the Republican party only endorses white. That may change in time but who knows.
I don't see any one of any other race being endorsed by either party.
Well, right now we have two Hispanic candidates, (Ted Cruz & Marco Rubio) one African American, (Ben Carson) and one woman (Carly Fiorina).
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 12:29:20 PM
Well, right now we have two Hispanic candidates, (Ted Cruz & Marco Rubio) one African American, (Ben Carson) and one woman (Carly Fiorina).
They won't get an endorsement. Watch and see.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 12:33:25 PM
They won't get an endorsement. Watch and see.
I will be right there. I have ZERO problem with electing Cruz, Rubio or Carson over the current democrat field. Carly, I don't know much about her.
I know it is very early yet, but for you to say they won't get an endorsement NOW, is ridicules.
All of these guys are highly respected and are full of passion and eagerness.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
I know it is very early yet, but for you to say they won't get an endorsement NOW, is ridicules.
You're delusional.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 10:41:38 AM
Nope, that is your thinking, not mine. I disagree with Obama and don't like his politics. That has nothing to do with his race. But you keep thinking that. It would be the same if any person was in the highest office in the land and was of a different race, whether they are Republican or Democrat. I don't like the views of some whether they are black, white, pink or purple. The only one making it a race issue is you!
I have been called racist by others on here for disagreeing with and not liking obama and, like you, it has nothing to do with his race I just don't like his politics. Others here think it's fine for them to put down blacks of the opposing party while saying you're racist if you oppose blacks who are Dems. I was not referring to you since you obviously don't subscribe to that theory.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 11:27:30 AM
No, Ex was pointing out that Republicans tend to only run white for President and have yet to run a black or any other race for candidate. I don't care what the next President is as long as they can do the job.
So did Dems until Obama so why throw that hat in the ring?
Quote from: me on May 21, 2015, 12:56:26 PM
I have been called racist by others on here for disagreeing with and not liking obama and, like you, it has nothing to do with his race I just don't like his politics.
You have been called racist on here because at every juncture at which you've been asked specifically which policies of his you don't like, you have failed miserably to elucidate what those are. You don't even know what his policies are but you don't like them because you don't like him and you don't like him because he isn't white. That is racist.
Quote from: me on May 21, 2015, 01:00:35 PM
So did Dems until Obama so why throw that hat in the ring?
What?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
I will be right there. I have ZERO problem with electing Cruz, Rubio or Carson over the current democrat field. Carly, I don't know much about her.
I know it is very early yet, but for you to say they won't get an endorsement NOW, is ridicules.
All of these guys are highly respected and are full of passion and eagerness.
They won't get an endorsement because they aren't qualified. It has nothing to do with race on my part but the Republicans won't endorse them.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 01:18:58 PM
They won't get an endorsement because they aren't qualified. It has nothing to do with race on my part but the Republicans won't endorse them.
Tell me please, how was Obama any more qualified than those I mentioned?
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 01:17:25 PM
What?
The dems never ran any blacks for president before Obama.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 01:25:15 PM
Tell me please, how was Obama any more qualified than those I mentioned?
Fiorina and Carson have 0.experience in Congress. I will say Cruz and Rubio do have that but again, the Republican party will not endorse them or Fiorina and Carson. Obama was all about change and the U.S. was wanting that regardless of skin color.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 21, 2015, 01:12:12 PM
You have been called racist on here because at every juncture at which you've been asked specifically which policies of his you don't like, you have failed miserably to elucidate what those are. You don't even know what his policies are but you don't like them because you don't like him and you don't like him because he isn't white. That is racist.
I do not like his HCB, which isn't actually his but he endorses it, I do not like his policy on Guantanamo Bay, I do not like the way he handles the terrorism threat, I do not like his divisive attitude, I do not like his illegal alien policy or the way he handles the border, I do not like his attitude toward policemen. Shall I go on? I don't like what Hillary stands for either so does that also make me a feminist?
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 02:07:03 PM
Fiorina and Carson have 0.experience in Congress. I will say Cruz and Rubio do have that but again, the Republican party will not endorse them or Fiorina and Carson. Obama was all about change and the U.S. was wanting that regardless of skin color.
Just not the particular change he actually had in mind so they found out. Even some who voted for him don't like him now.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 02:07:03 PM
Fiorina and Carson have 0.experience in Congress. I will say Cruz and Rubio do have that but again, the Republican party will not endorse them or Fiorina and Carson. Obama was all about change and the U.S. was wanting that regardless of skin color.
Cruz and Rubio are ALSO all about change........and to be honest I am too, regardless of skin color.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
Carly, I don't know much about her.
She destroyed Hewlett Packard.
'Nuff said
If Carson, (and that is a HUGE IF), were to get the nomination, I wonder how important political experience will be then????
Quote from: Bo D on May 21, 2015, 05:18:58 PM
She destroyed Hewlett Packard.
'Nuff said
So the rumor mill has it anyway.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 21, 2015, 06:07:39 PM
If Carson, (and that is a HUGE IF), were to get the nomination, I wonder how important political experience will be then????
It would be null and void then.
Quote from: me on May 21, 2015, 08:53:35 PM
So the rumor mill has it anyway.
It is not a rumor. While she was CEO, HP lost more than half its value in Feb. 2009 and overall NASDAQ stock fell 26%. She was forced to resign by the board of directors. Two days before her being ousted, Forbes described her merger plan with HP and Compaq as "failing" and prognosis "doubtful". She has been desired as being the worst CEO tech of all time. She also still owes close to half a million dollars for unsuccessful bid in 2010.
Forced to resign is a mere euphemism for FIRED!
Quote from: Locutus on May 21, 2015, 09:49:20 PM
Forced to resign is a mere euphemism for FIRED!
Yep and I was just quoting what Time, Business Week and Forbes Magazine all said!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 10:22:47 PM
Yep and I was just quoting what Time, Business Week and Forbes Magazine all said!
But that's just the "rumor mill." :roll eyes:
Sometimes I think she's just trolling.
Quote from: Locutus on May 21, 2015, 10:24:41 PM
But that's just the "rumor mill." :roll eyes:
Sometimes I think she's just trolling.
Hahahaha
Quote from: Bo D on May 21, 2015, 05:18:58 PM
She destroyed Hewlett Packard.
'Nuff said
No argument from me on that one. I haven't read much on her, but this on seems like a tough one for her to overcome.
Quote from: Locutus on May 21, 2015, 10:24:41 PM
But that's just the "rumor mill." :roll eyes:
Sometimes I think she's just trolling.
I wonder? With her history I tend to think she is a genuine idiot. But I guess that's OK. Every village needs one to remind us how precious and valuable sanity really is.
I do know Compaq turned from a really good computer into a piece of crap when it went to the bottom of the line HP but HP remained top of the line at least. At least their customer service was still good and you got English speaking techs unlike now. Still decent but you can't understand them again which means they started using foreign tech support again. Yes, I know first hand because I have one and had a Compaq at the time that happened. Guess I will have to admit that was a screw up on the merger at least but she did maintain good tech support at least unlike now. A little too early in the game to prejudge her on what happened there though.
Quote from: me on May 22, 2015, 09:04:06 AM
A little too early in the game to prejudge her on what happened there though.
WFT?
It was ten years ago! She was forced to resign! She laid off 30,000 people at HP while outsourcing jobs. She was booed at company meetings. While she was CEO, HP's stock prices fell by 65% and its debt nearly doubled.
She has been ranked as one of the worst American (or tech) CEOs of all time.
How can you defend that?
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 09:29:42 PM
It is not a rumor. While she was CEO, HP lost more than half its value in Feb. 2009 and overall NASDAQ stock fell 26%. She was forced to resign by the board of directors. Two days before her being ousted, Forbes described her merger plan with HP and Compaq as "failing" and prognosis "doubtful". She has been desired as being the worst CEO tech of all time. She also still owes close to half a million dollars for unsuccessful bid in 2010.
Let's not forget that 30,000 people lost their jobs in the process!
Quote from: Bo D on May 22, 2015, 09:42:01 AM
WFT?
It was ten years ago! She was forced to resign! She laid off 30,000 people at HP while outsourcing jobs. She was booed at company meetings. While she was CEO, HP's stock prices fell by 65% and its debt nearly doubled.
She has been ranked as one of the worst American (or tech) CEOs of all time.
How can you defend that?
My role as the forum conservative WANTS to defend her........but
I don't think she is an idiot.....she managed to become a senior vice president of AT&T...she is one of the first women to head up a Fortune 20 company, was chief executive officer of HP.
You don't accomplish those things being an idiot..........BUT....she did make some serious mistakes...and she is paying for them....and I don't, at this time, believe she should be POTUS.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 22, 2015, 09:58:10 AM
Let's not forget that 30,000 people lost their jobs in the process!
Exactly and having 30,000 people lose their jobs makes it all right
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 21, 2015, 10:22:47 PM
Yep and I was just quoting what Time, Business Week and Forbes Magazine all said!
Those same companies also said:
In 2004, she was included in the Time 100 ranking of "most influential people in the world today"...
Forbes also named tenth on the list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women...
and at one time Fortune magazine ranked Fiorina as "most powerful woman in business"...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 22, 2015, 10:02:24 AM
.....she managed to become a senior vice president of AT&T...
Yeah ... the Lucent division. Where is Lucent now?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 22, 2015, 10:06:40 AM
Those same companies also said:
In 2004, she was included in the Time 100 ranking of "most influential people in the world today"...
The same could be said for Hitler in the 1930's. And the latest ranking includes Kanye West and Kim Jong-un.
Quote from: Bo D on May 22, 2015, 10:18:06 AM
The same could be said for Hitler in the 1930's. Means nothing!
I agree, but those same magazines once praised her an said she was the best, then they bash her. My point is more that Time is useless info.
Quote from: Bo D on May 22, 2015, 09:42:01 AM
How can you defend that?
She isn't defending it; she just said it's too early to pass judgement! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 22, 2015, 10:24:36 AM
She isn't defending it; she just said it's too early to pass judgement! :biggrin:
Yet she will immediately pounce and "pass judgement" on Obama within milliseconds after a perceived gaffe.
The same magazines that praised her also said she was useless so Forbes magazine and Buisness Week are rumor mills and in 2009, is when they made this claim.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 22, 2015, 10:34:17 AM
The same magazines that praised her also said she was useless so Forbes magazine and Buisness Week are rumor mills and in 2009, is when they made this claim.
You are making my point.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 22, 2015, 11:53:11 AM
Not really.
Yeah, you guys want to use those sources when it was bashing her, then not use them when they praised her.
Quote from: Bo D on May 22, 2015, 09:42:01 AM
WFT?
It was ten years ago! She was forced to resign! She laid off 30,000 people at HP while outsourcing jobs. She was booed at company meetings. While she was CEO, HP's stock prices fell by 65% and its debt nearly doubled.
She has been ranked as one of the worst American (or tech) CEOs of all time.
How can you defend that?
Uh, she didn't outsource the jobs because it was after she was replaced that the tech calls started being answered by non English speaking people I was using them during that time period. They had English speaking techs until sometime in 2013. If it happened befire that there were still enough tech support centers here that the calls were being answered by people who spoke English who didn't have a foreign accent.
Quote from: me on May 22, 2015, 12:03:38 PM
Uh, she didn't outsource the jobs because it was after she was replaced that the tech calls started being answered by non English speaking people I was using them during that time period. They had English speaking techs until sometime in 2013.
No they didn't.
In January 2004, Fiorina provocatively told Congress, "There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore."
Fiorina was accused of off-shoring thousands of HP jobs, and making the workers who lost their jobs train their overseas replacements.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/carly-fiorina-presidential-ambitions-follow-a-terrible-record-at-hp-2015-3#ixzz3at0ZJQ4k
There you go using facts again! :biggrin:
If anything, I have learned to choose my battles........I don't think she is worth battling over. Even though she may be a brilliant woman on many aspects.....she dug her grave on this one.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 22, 2015, 11:56:00 AM
Yeah, you guys want to use those sources when it was bashing her, then not use them when they praised her.
No, I showed what both said but really Time was the only article that praised.her. The others didn't
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 22, 2015, 02:14:00 PM
No, I showed what both said but really Time was the only article that praised.her. The others didn't
First of all, Forbes and Fortune DID PRAISE HER....
Forbes also named tenth on the list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women...
and at one time Fortune magazine ranked Fiorina as "most powerful woman in business"...
Time was one of the one's that called her the Worst CEO of all time....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 22, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
First of all, Forbes and Fortune DID PRAISE HER....
Forbes also named tenth on the list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women...
and at one time Fortune magazine ranked Fiorina as "most powerful woman in business"...
Time was one of the one's that called her the Worst CEO of all time....
And two days before HP fired her, Forbes blasted her for her "failing policies" at HP.
Besides, I say again ... wtf does Most Powerful have to do with anything? As I said before, Kanye West and Kim Jong-un also made that "most powerful" list. Would you vote for them?
Carly's husband, "a regular guy," has been trying to humanize her (and himself) by playing the devoted husband shopping for toilet paper and other ordinary people items at Costco and comparing himself to Bill Clinton. The following, along with a big picture of him at a local Costco, was on the front page of the Style section of yesterday's Washington Post:
Frank Fiorina: A regular guy tries on the role of campaign spouse
By Ben Terris
May 20 at 9:57 PM
Frank Fiorina, husband of Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina, takes his place in the checkout line after shopping at a Costco in Woodbridge last week.
(Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
Frank Fiorina trudged through the aisles of Costco one day last week with a press handler, a photographer and a newspaper reporter. It wasn't his idea, and the whole thing made him feel odd.
"This is really weird, you guys," he told his entourage while picking up a 30-pack of double-ply Kirkland-brand toilet paper. He was a regular at the store, but this was the first time he had gone shopping in service to political journalism. "I don't know how long you want this to go on, but usually I can do my shopping pretty quick."
As the husband of Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard executive now running for president, Fiorina plays an important role for the campaign. Political spouses typically find themselves referred to as a candidate's "secret weapon," trusted with "humanizing" their otherwise remote/robotic/pompous partners. Is it sexist to reduce women to little more than props for their politically ambitious husbands? Is it silly to call someone who has a public role on a campaign a "secret"? Can the new crop of political husbands escape the burdens of playing campaign humanizer? Yes, yes and no.
"I think that's evident by me walking around Costco talking to a reporter," Fiorina said, looking for a replacement electric toothbrush for his wife.
[What happens when a man takes over the job of first lady?]
Carly Fiorina — who hardly registers in national polls -- is an executive who fired more than 30,000 employees during her time at HP. She could stand a little humanizing. Frank Fiorina understands this, and he's ready to play the part. He knows the shopping habits of his cohort are highly scrutinized. (What is this millionaire doing buying discount toilet paper?)
He's read the stories about Columba Bush and her expensive taste in jewelry.
Fiorina, 65, is a sturdily built man, with graying hair combed back on a block-like head and a somewhat taciturn manner. He has been known to carry a gun for his wife's protection. They live in a $6.1 million house in Virginia. "I told my neighbor I was doing an interview at Costco," he said. "At first he thought I was applying for a job, and then he couldn't stop laughing at me when I told him it was with you."
Of course, Fiorina isn't the only potential first dude in the race. There's that other guy, Bill Clinton, one of the most dynamic politicians of a generation and one of the only people Fiorina says he's ever been intimidated by.
"He's one of the smartest people in the world," Fiorina said. Clinton can hold audiences in the palm of his hand; he jokes that if he becomes the "first man," he'd like to go by Adam — get it? Fiorina is a much more quiet presence. He doesn't have a preferred variation on first gentleman.
"I'll go by Frank," he said.
Fiorina grew up "a poor boy from Pittsburgh" working for his dad's auto body shop. He played guitar in a rock band called the Aristocrats, lost his hearing in his left ear, drove a tow truck and landed a job as a technician for AT&T at $99 a week.
You don't have to imagine this story becoming part of the 2016 narrative. Carly Fiorina has already used it. "My husband, Frank, has lived the American story," she said during a New Hampshire appearance earlier this year.
The job at AT&T got its claws into him, and "they dragged me along all the way to executive level," Fiorina said, pausing in front of a towering pile of bottled water. He was a manager when he met Carly Sneed, an ambitious young employee in the government communications department who wanted his help on a project involving conference call technology. After the project, Fiorina asked her out.
"By the third date I knew she was going to be running the company," he said. The third date also involved a lot of making out, he volunteered. Well, there's some humanizing for you. Fiorina has been cast by the campaign as the regular Joe you'd want to have a beer with, the guy who might just tell a reporter a charming story about a long-ago game of tonsil hockey. (Still, Fiorina knows not to say anything that hasn't been vetted. "I remember looking out of the car windows and not being able to see anything," Carly Fiorina recently told "Today" about that third date. Okay, you two, that's enough.)
They wed in 1985, and together the two raised his daughters from a previous marriage, Lori Ann and Tracy. Frank Fiorina's third-date assessment was only a little wrong: She rose to the top of Hewlett-Packard instead, the first female head of a Fortune 20 company. Frank, who, like Carly, saw an earlier marriage end in divorce, worried he would never see his wife again. He decided he couldn't have it all and retired at the age of 48.
"I caught a lot of flak from friends," Fiorina said, stopping in the toothpaste and mouthwash aisle. "As far as family, the only person who expressed an opinion was my father-in-law. He could not understand how I could give up my career. He was really upset about it, and it took him years before he got over it."
The move was "incredibly tough," but he filled the time by volunteering as an emergency medical technician and later driving a bus for a children's hospital.
Then everything changed.
After a stock plummet and devastating layoffs, the HP board fired Carly and gave her a $21 million severance package to leave.
Then, in 2009, Carly was diagnosed with breast cancer, and Lori Ann died after a long struggle with drug addiction.
[Carly Fiorina: 'Drug addiction shouldn't be criminalized.']
"Honestly, it was a bad time in my life," Fiorina says, pausing in front of bulk snack foods. He waited as a shopper walked past and tried to ignore the clicking of the camera. It was 10:30 in the morning, and he was leaning on a shopping cart at his local Costco, having to talk about the most difficult thing that had ever happened to him. He continued: "I went through a period where I was struggling with what life is all about." What snapped him out of it, he said, was going through old boxes in the garage and finding long-lost cards his daughter had written to him. On his right wrist, he wears a golden bracelet made from the necklace Lori Ann wore the day she died
Fiorina wears a bracelet made from a necklace his daughter was wearing the day she died. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
As a candidate's husband, Fiorina is amused that a shopping trip is now fodder for political journalism. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
"Carly bought it for her," he said, his throat catching on the emotion that wasn't supposed to show up on this fake shopping trip. The photographer stepped in to get a close-up. "I never used to wear stuff like this."
"What's next on the list?" said campaign spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores. A nudge to keep things moving. "The kids like Goldfish!"
The kids are the grandkids — Tracy's children, whom he was headed to visit after this shopping trip. Then he was due home to take care of his and Carly's two Yorkies, Max and Snickers.
[Nine things to know about Carly Fiorina]
Fiorina looked down in his cart. Bottled water, toilet paper, paper towels, cashews, Goldfish and a toothbrush. It took 45 minutes. He worried aloud that this shopping trip would seem so obviously like a bit of political stagecraft that people would think it was a fake. So he pulled out his Costco card — there, proof of his membership since 2003. He paid, and he left.
"I'm glad that's over," he said to Flores as they walked to their car. But really, it's only just begun.
Ben Terris is a writer in the Washington Post's Style section with a focus on national politics.
www.washingtonpost.com
Quote from: Bo D on May 22, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
And two days before HP fired her, Forbes blasted her for her "failing policies" at HP.
Besides, I say again ... wtf does Most Powerful have to do with anything? As I said before, Kanye West and Kim Jong-un also made that "most powerful" list. Would you vote for them?
Exactly, being Most Powerful really doesn't mean shit. It is the same as being on the cover of People, nothing!
Quote from: Exterminator on May 22, 2015, 01:51:16 PM
There you go using facts again! :biggrin:
I used tech support during that time period fool.
Quote from: me on May 22, 2015, 03:52:49 PM
I used tech support during that time period fool.
So did I ... Fool!
And sometimes even today, you can get connected to an American call center.
Facts are Fiorina laid off 30,000 people at HP and outsourced jobs during her tenure there.
This from 2008 ....
At Hewlett Packard, Fiorina oversaw the sheltering of over $14 billion in profits overseas, bringing the companies effective tax rate down from 35% to 12%.
At a recent McCain economic event, Fiorina acknowledged the tax incentives to move offshore and explained that Hewlett Packard "left billions of dollars in cash overseas."
In fact, Fiorina, has shown a consistent callousness towards Americans who have lost their jobs through outsourcing and offshoring:
– During her time as CEO, Fiorina was an outspoken defender of Hewlett-Packard's offshoring, referring to it as "right-shoring."
— In 2004, Carly Fiorina gave a speech in which she said, "there is no job that is America's God-given right anymore."http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2008/06/20/172248/fiorina-history/ (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2008/06/20/172248/fiorina-history/)
Quote from: me on May 22, 2015, 03:52:49 PM
I used tech support during that time period fool.
You had to use HP's tech support and I'm the fool? I built my fucking computer! LOL!
Quote from: Bo D on May 22, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
And two days before HP fired her, Forbes blasted her for her "failing policies" at HP.
Besides, I say again ... wtf does Most Powerful have to do with anything? As I said before, Kanye West and Kim Jong-un also made that "most powerful" list. Would you vote for them?
Kanye and Kim Jong were not the most powerful businessmen.....THAT is what Forbes and Fortune Mag were promoting. Now I agree with you on Times....their man of the year crap is for the birds.
You don't have to like her, but she is a very accomplished woman....I think she make some serious miscalculations though.....and as far as I am concerned, I am not interested in her running our country.
Yeah, Mike Suckabee is more your style. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 22, 2015, 04:11:13 PM
You had to use HP's tech support and I'm the fool? I built my fucking computer! LOL!
I was meaning it was a fact because I was using the support back then dumb ass. You did not have the automatic knowledge when you first started using computers to be able to build one I'm sure and I had only been using the computer for the most part and was unfamiliar with a lot of things. I could build one now so stick it smart ass.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 22, 2015, 09:58:10 AM
Let's not forget that 30,000 people lost their jobs in the process!
Where did you come up with your figure?
QuoteBuying Compaq over the strong objections of some board members. Fiorina is probably best known for leading HP into a very bitter and public board-level fight over the acquisition of Compaq. She wanted to buy the big PC rival and turn HP into the biggest PC maker. A faction of the board, led by Walter Hewlett (son of internally revered company co-founder William Hewlett), opposed the buy and launched a proxy fight.
Fiorina won the proxy fight, and HP bought Compaq for about $19 billion in 2002.
But the integration of Compaq into HP was never smooth. Key Compaq executives reporting to Fiorina left or were ousted. And Fiorina angered many employees with a massive layoff right after the acquisition, cutting 15,000 HP jobs.
That said, the acquisition did turn HP into the largest PC maker, and it's been consistently in the top three (trading places with Dell and Lenovo periodically) ever since.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/carly-fiorina-presidential-ambitions-follow-a-terrible-record-at-hp-2015-3#ixzz3auYZlO9m
http://www.businessinsider.com/carly-fiorina-presidential-ambitions-follow-a-terrible-record-at-hp-2015-3#ixzz3at0ZJQ4k
Quote from: Bo D on May 22, 2015, 04:04:41 PM
So did I ... Fool!
And sometimes even today, you can get connected to an American call center.
Facts are Fiorina laid off 30,000 people at HP and outsourced jobs during her tenure there.
This from 2008 ....
At Hewlett Packard, Fiorina oversaw the sheltering of over $14 billion in profits overseas, bringing the companies effective tax rate down from 35% to 12%.
At a recent McCain economic event, Fiorina acknowledged the tax incentives to move offshore and explained that Hewlett Packard "left billions of dollars in cash overseas."
In fact, Fiorina, has shown a consistent callousness towards Americans who have lost their jobs through outsourcing and offshoring:
– During her time as CEO, Fiorina was an outspoken defender of Hewlett-Packard's offshoring, referring to it as "right-shoring."
— In 2004, Carly Fiorina gave a speech in which she said, "there is no job that is America's God-given right anymore."
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2008/06/20/172248/fiorina-history/ (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2008/06/20/172248/fiorina-history/)
Hey Ex.....even BoD used tech support and I'll bet he's a damn sight smarter than you on a computer.
It was 30,000 not 15,000 that lost the jobs. HP laid off 30,000 if its American workers. All of this was published in Time, Forbes, Business Magazines and is not a rumor!
Quote from: Bo D on May 22, 2015, 04:04:41 PM
So did I ... Fool!
And sometimes even today, you can get connected to an American call center.
Facts are Fiorina laid off 30,000 people at HP and outsourced jobs during her tenure there.
This from 2008 ....
At Hewlett Packard, Fiorina oversaw the sheltering of over $14 billion in profits overseas, bringing the companies effective tax rate down from 35% to 12%.
At a recent McCain economic event, Fiorina acknowledged the tax incentives to move offshore and explained that Hewlett Packard "left billions of dollars in cash overseas."
In fact, Fiorina, has shown a consistent callousness towards Americans who have lost their jobs through outsourcing and offshoring:
– During her time as CEO, Fiorina was an outspoken defender of Hewlett-Packard's offshoring, referring to it as "right-shoring."
— In 2004, Carly Fiorina gave a speech in which she said, "there is no job that is America's God-given right anymore."
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2008/06/20/172248/fiorina-history/ (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2008/06/20/172248/fiorina-history/)
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 22, 2015, 07:07:03 PM
It was 30,000 not 15,000 that lost the jobs. HP laid off 30,000 if its American workers. All of this was published in Time, Forbes, Business Magazines and is not a rumor!
So you're saying this link BoD posted has it wrong? Hum....
Quote from: Bo D on May 22, 2015, 09:42:01 AM
WFT?
It was ten years ago! She was forced to resign! She laid off 30,000 people at HP while outsourcing jobs. She was booed at company meetings. While she was CEO, HP's stock prices fell by 65% and its debt nearly doubled.
She has been ranked as one of the worst American (or tech) CEOs of all time.
How can you defend that?
Bo D posted this as the same fact that I did. She will not get the nomination and has no business running our country!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 22, 2015, 07:15:27 PM
Bo D posted this as the same fact that I did. She will not get the nomination and has no business running our country!
But the stories are conflicting which leads one to believe some of it isn't what it seems. There is also and explaination as to what else was going on at the time that stock dropped too so even that wasn't entirely her fault. I'm not defending her here but ya'll are picking and choosing information just like ya'll accuse HH and me of doing.
Quote from: me on May 22, 2015, 08:08:33 PM
But the stories are conflicting which leads one to believe some of it isn't what it seems. There is also and explaination as to what else was going on at the time that stock dropped too so even that wasn't entirely her fault. I'm not defending her here but ya'll are picking and choosing information just like ya'll accuse HH and me of doing.
I don't accuse people of picking and choosing information
Quote from: Locutus on May 22, 2015, 06:37:02 PM
Yeah, Mike Suckabee is more your style. :rolleyes:
l would take him over Hillary the lying, crook, any day.😁
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 22, 2015, 09:25:27 PM
I don't accuse people of picking and choosing information
The rest of them sure do
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 22, 2015, 09:43:15 PM
l would take him over Hillary the lying, crook, any day.😁
You say she is a lying crook, prove it bird brain boy. :razz: All of you Republicans are liars and bullshitters. You Bunky and Fox News proves it every day. :haha:
Quote from: me on May 22, 2015, 06:55:59 PM
I was meaning it was a fact because I was using the support back then dumb ass. You did not have the automatic knowledge when you first started using computers to be able to build one I'm sure and I had only been using the computer for the most part and was unfamiliar with a lot of things. I could build one now so stick it smart ass.
What's with all of the name calling; did I get on here and call you a stupid cunt?
For the record, I am not technically savvy when it comes to hardware and had never built a computer before. I just got tired of buying machines that were essentially obsolete by the time they got to me and realized that I could build something much better for about the same amount of money. I researched, selected my components and put it all together...not really that difficult.
Quote from: me on May 22, 2015, 07:12:40 PM
So you're saying this link BoD posted has it wrong? Hum....
No. She laid off 15,000 in one fell swoop immediately after acquiring Compaq, then 15,000 more over the course of her tenure there.
Quote from: me on May 22, 2015, 07:03:51 PM
Hey Ex.....even BoD used tech support and I'll bet he's a damn sight smarter than you on a computer.
No. Not at all. I used to be pretty good but now I have people who do that for me.
Quote from: Bo D on May 26, 2015, 10:26:33 AM
No. Not at all. I used to be pretty good but now I have people who do that for me.
Maybe...maybe not...I don't care so much for all of the technical aspects of machines, networks and whatnot. They are merely tools to me that I can leverage to make business processes more efficient.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 01:25:15 PM
Tell me please, how was Obama any more qualified than those I mentioned?
You know, there are just TOO many times when you're plainly ridiculous! :yes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Obama worked for a year at the Business International Corporation,[29] then at the New York Public Interest Research Group; is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as president of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law at University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. As U.S. Senator from Illinois (2005–08)....and those are just the 'highlights', herr dummkopf!
Remember, it's not about Obama being a 'nigra'! :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 21, 2015, 12:29:20 PM
Well, right now we have two Hispanic candidates, (Ted Cruz & Marco Rubio) one African American, (Ben Carson) and one woman (Carly Fiorina).
Who are basically all shills - who couldn't get the nomination on a bet - so you Repugs can make the false claim that you're really an 'open' political party and not a 'nativist' reincarnation. :yes:
Add one more clown to the bus!
That whiny weasel Lindsay Graham has entered the race that's STILL at least a year away. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Y on June 01, 2015, 06:42:21 PM
You know, there are just TOO many times when you're plainly ridiculous! :yes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Obama worked for a year at the Business International Corporation,[29] then at the New York Public Interest Research Group; is a graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, where he served as president of the Harvard Law Review. He was a community organizer in Chicago before earning his law degree. He worked as a civil rights attorney and taught constitutional law at University of Chicago Law School from 1992 to 2004. He served three terms representing the 13th District in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004. As U.S. Senator from Illinois (2005–08).
...and those are just the 'highlights', herr dummkopf!
Remember, it's not about Obama being a 'nigra'! :rolleyes:
You actually tried to explain this again? You are a patient man! ;D
Quote from: Y on June 01, 2015, 06:50:49 PM
Add one more clown to the bus!
That whiny weasel Lindsay Graham has entered the race that's STILL at least a year away. :rolleyes:
Forget the bus. They're going to need a C130 to cart all those asses around the country! :eek:
Really, Really? Is this all the Republicans can come up with to be President of the United States of America????????? :puke: All we need from them is for Sarah Palin to run. :puke: :puke:
AND - drum roll here - we have Rick Perry entering the race WHILE he's under criminal indictment! :biggrin:
The Repug clown posse just keeps getting funnier and funnier! :yes:
Looks like there's no end to the douchebaggery...Trump is getting ready to announce he's running. I wonder if he'll pick Sarah Palin or Ted Nugent for his running mate?
;D
Quote from: Exterminator on June 16, 2015, 12:29:26 PM
Looks like there's no end to the douchebaggery...Trump is getting ready to announce he's running. I wonder if he'll pick Sarah Palin or Ted Nugent for his running mate?
...and the folks over at Fux News are having a masturbatory circle jerk over all of the good candidates they have in the race now. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on June 16, 2015, 12:29:26 PM
Looks like there's no end to the douchebaggery...Trump is getting ready to announce he's running. I wonder if he'll pick Sarah Palin or Ted Nugent for his running mate?
The shorter list is the one of those NOT running in the GOP. . . :roll eyes:
And WTF? Trump? That would be akin to letting the fox into the henhouse and expecting eggs the next morning! There is indeed no end to the douchebaggery of these morons! :rolleyes:
I can't help but think of Trump as a cartoon character. He would make a great President of Gotham City. Even though, the guy probably really could do some good things for our country........I don't think he is electable. Hard to take him serious.
The only things Trump would do for this country is increase the wealth of the wealthy and shoulder what is left of the middle-class with an increased tax burden. Along with bankrupting the nation. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on June 17, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
The only things Trump would do for this country is increase the wealth of the wealthy and shoulder what is left of the middle-class with an increased tax burden. Along with bankrupting the nation. . .
Based on what facts? Is this just your opinion? During the last few years under Obama and the democrats the rich has continued to get richer and the poor has gotten poorer.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/4/obama-economy-welfare-dependency-peaks-as-rich-get/?page=all
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 18, 2015, 08:36:57 AM
Based on what facts? Is this just your opinion? During the last few years under Obama and the democrats the rich has continued to get richer and the poor has gotten poorer.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/4/obama-economy-welfare-dependency-peaks-as-rich-get/?page=all
Hey Bird Brain, what has happened under the Republican control/ Check it out Birdy, NOTHING. Just sitting on you're asses :repub: What does John Boner want, why he wants TPP, more jobs lost, more unemployment for the middle class. :dizzy2: :jester: :wall: All of of you Republicans are bull shitters. :det:
(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11401555_10153491663298013_6417641152509407680_n.jpg?oh=f494a47d3c7ea237bb7b22f889a62fa4&oe=55F00C66)
okay, THAT is a little funny.... :yes: ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 18, 2015, 08:36:57 AM
Based on what facts? Is this just your opinion? During the last few years under Obama and the democrats the rich has continued to get richer and the poor has gotten poorer.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/4/obama-economy-welfare-dependency-peaks-as-rich-get/?page=all
Donald Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy four times, in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009. All of these bankruptcies were connected to over-leveraged casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City, all of which are now operated under the banner of Trump Entertainment Resorts. . . .
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made-bankruptcy-work-for-him/)
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2068227_2068229_2068209,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2068227_2068229_2068209,00.html)
"The problem with our country is we don't manufacture anything anymore," Donald Trump told Fox News a year ago. "The stuff that's been sent over from China," he complained, "falls apart after a year and a half. It's crap." That very same Donald Trump has his own line of clothing, and it's made in ... China. (O.K., O.K. — not all of it. Salon, which reported this intriguing, head-scratching fact, notes that some of his apparel is from Mexico and Bangladesh.). . .Trump bemoaned U.S. costs sustained during its wars in the Middle East and floated the idea of "taking" Iraqi oil. Stephanopoulos countered incredulously, "So, we steal an oil field?" Trump responded, "Excuse me. You're not stealing anything. You're taking — we're reimbursing ourselves." Given how many U.S. leaders have had to stress to their Middle East interlocutors that they're not in it simply for the oil, Trump would be starting off regional relations on pretty slippery ground. . . .Just what shape do you think he'd leave this nation in with his heavy handed foreign policy and penchant for bankruptcy? :roll eyes:
As for the rest of your reply, we've already been down this path numerous times. And so have others. Your steadfast refusal to give due weight to accredited information supporting the opposing views, opposing your own that are unsupported, is legendary; so I refuse to waste my time.
That was weak.....
First of all, I am NOT endorsing him, I just said he could do some GOOD things for this country.
But the guy KNOWS how to be successful. Sure he has been bankrupt, but he figured out what needed to be done, and made 9 Billion dollars. He is a problem solver. He has been down and out and still was able to maintain and turn things around.
He has confidence in what he does.
But, he is NOT electable, so it really doesn't make a bit of difference as far as I am concerned.
I will say one thing that may shock you guys, but I like Bernie Sanders. I pray he isn't our next POTUS, but I like him. I hope he is the next democrat presidential nominee. I could live with him as my POTUS if it should happen. I think the guy is honest and sincere. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with many issues that he supports, but I respect many issues he stands behind.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 19, 2015, 08:16:53 AM
I will say one thing that may shock you guys, but I like Bernie Sanders. I pray he isn't our next POTUS, but I like him. I hope he is the next democrat presidential nominee. I could live with him as my POTUS if it should happen. I think the guy is honest and sincere. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with many issues that he supports, but I respect many issues he stands behind.
He is too leaky a vessel in which to place the future of this nation at such a critical time.
And the New Jersey Joke, Christie, throws his oversized hat into the ring:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/us/politics/chris-christie-presidential-campaign.html?_r=0
Chris Christie Announces Run, Pledging 'Truth' About Nation's Woes
That's a laugh! Christie wouldn't know the 'truth' if it came up and kicked him in his considerable rump, but he'll definitely add to the hilarity - and assure the Repug clowns will require a big bus. :biggrin:
Quote from: Y on June 30, 2015, 06:56:28 PM
And the New Jersey Joke, Christie, throws his oversized hat into the ring:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/us/politics/chris-christie-presidential-campaign.html?_r=0
Chris Christie Announces Run, Pledging 'Truth' About Nation's Woes
That's a laugh! Christie wouldn't know the 'truth' if it came up and kicked him in his considerable rump, but he'll definitely add to the hilarity - and assure the Repug clowns will require a big bus. :biggrin:
What's that now? 15? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
#AskBobby (http://www.forwardprogressives.com/bobby-jindals-campaign-starts-twitter-campaign-askbobby-hilarity-ensues/) :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on July 01, 2015, 11:41:03 AM
#AskBobby (http://www.forwardprogressives.com/bobby-jindals-campaign-starts-twitter-campaign-askbobby-hilarity-ensues/) :biggrin:
Piyush???
:haha: :haha:
I just love Trump :smitten: :smitten: :biggrin: I would love for him to bet the hell out of Good Old Jeb. :haha: :haha: >:( Do we really need another Bush. :puke:
And yet another Repug clown is going to announce. Scott Walker is going to declare next week. You can't hardly get any scummier than Walker. Have the Repugs finally reached the bottom of the barrel?
Quote from: Y on July 06, 2015, 09:53:22 PM
And yet another Repug clown is going to announce. Scott Walker is going to declare next week. You can't hardly get any scummier than Walker. Have the Repugs finally reached the bottom of the barrel?
The Republicans are dredging the bottom of the retention ponds at the cities sewer plants for candidates. Walker is just a pile of horse shit that hasn't hit the sewer plant yet. The Republican Party works like a septic tank in reverse. The shit floats to the top. :haha: :haha:
Quote from: Y on July 06, 2015, 09:53:22 PM
And yet another Repug clown is going to announce. Scott Walker is going to declare next week. You can't hardly get any scummier than Walker. Have the Repugs finally reached the bottom of the barrel?
"The Devil's Cut", no doubt!
Quote from: Y on July 06, 2015, 09:53:22 PM
And yet another Repug clown is going to announce. Scott Walker is going to declare next week. You can't hardly get any scummier than Walker. Have the Repugs finally reached the bottom of the barrel?
So far there's only one clown running for the dems, well, unless Biden throws his hat in the ring then there will be 2. Of course at this time there's only one person who has thrown her hat in the ring for the dems. :spooked:
Quote from: me on July 08, 2015, 05:53:02 AM
So far there's only one clown running for the dems, well, unless Biden throws his hat in the ring then there will be 2. Of course at this time there's only one person who has thrown her hat in the ring for the dems. :spooked:
WRONG!
Quote from: me on July 08, 2015, 05:53:02 AM
So far there's only one clown running for the dems, well, unless Biden throws his hat in the ring then there will be 2. Of course at this time there's only one person who has thrown her hat in the ring for the dems. :spooked:
Even your own Lindsey Graham said that Joe Biden was one of the finest gentleman he had ever met. :razz:
Quote from: me on July 08, 2015, 05:53:02 AM
So far there's only one clown running for the dems, well, unless Biden throws his hat in the ring then there will be 2. Of course at this time there's only one person who has thrown her hat in the ring for the dems. :spooked:
Don't get out much, do you?
Declared
Lincoln Chafee
Hillary Clinton
Martin O'Malley
Bernie Sanders
Jim Webb
Quote from: Bo D on July 08, 2015, 10:05:05 AM
Don't get out much, do you?
Declared
Lincoln Chafee
Hillary Clinton
Martin O'Malley
Bernie Sanders
Jim Webb
Ok, so there's 4 clowns and one so-so running. :rolleyes:
Quote from: The Troll on July 08, 2015, 09:45:43 AM
Even your own Lindsey Graham said that Joe Biden was one of the finest gentleman he had ever met. :razz:
Being a gentleman doesn't mean he isn't a clown.
Quote from: me on July 08, 2015, 11:02:04 AM
Ok, so there's 4 clowns and one so-so running. :rolleyes:
Who's the so-so?
Quote from: me on July 08, 2015, 05:53:02 AM
So far there's only one clown running for the dems, well, unless Biden throws his hat in the ring then there will be 2. Of course at this time there's only one person who has thrown her hat in the ring for the dems. :spooked:
Still no explanation for this comment?
Typical :rolleyes:
I'd like to know why she considers them 'clowns'.
We've been over and over why the Repugs are clowns.
(http://img.huffingtonpost.com//asset/scaleFit_960_noupscale/559d19e91300008e10a59e6f.jpeg?cache=3taCaOPPBL)
I love it where Trumpdump said were only talking about immigration because he brought it up. It's not like we have been arguing about immigration for friggin' DECADES! :rolleyes:
What a ridiculous, egotistical, Jabba the Hut with the world's worst comb over.
Donald Trump tells TMZ he is contacting the FBI to investigate threats just made by a man claiming to be the son of escaped Mexican drug lord El Chapo.
Trump is reacting to a tweet reportedly made by El Chapo's son, in which he blasts Trump for saying El Chapo is "everything that's wrong with Mexico."
The tweet was written in Spanish, with the rough English translation, "Keep f***ing around and I'm gonna make you swallow your bitch words you f***ing whitey milks***tter (that's a homophobic slur)."
Trump tells TMZ he's not backing down, saying, "I'm fighting for much more than myself. I'm fighting for the future of our country which is being overrun by criminals." He adds, "You can't be intimidated. It's too important."
http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/13/donald-trump-el-chapo-fbi-son-tweet-death-threat/
^^
LMFAO!!! It just doesn't get any funnier than that.
:rotfl:
:biggrin:
I had never heard the homophobic slur 'milkshitter' before, but it makes sense if you think about it. :rotfl:
And another one joins the clown car troupe of idiots! :roll eyes: As I've said before, the shorter list is how many of these jokers are NOT running for POTUS! :biggrin:
Donald Trump gave out Lindsey Graham's private cell phone number at a press conference today. :rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on July 21, 2015, 05:24:56 PM
Donald Trump gave out Lindsey Graham's private cell phone number at a press conference today. :rotfl:
Trump is an even larger sphincter than I assumed he was. I'm surprised the GOP hasn't put a hit out on his ass.
One thing is for sure though, if he hasn't done anything else, he's caused the other 15 morons to show their true colors. :big grin: They're so busy doing damage control they'll be stepping on their dicks twice as much as they did before Rump entered the fray!
One other thing too; with all these idiots strutting and posturing, it will only serve to divide the party so badly that the biggest asshole amongst them will get the nomination and ensure the democrats another 4 years! 8)
I think the party establishment is starting to have that fear themselves now.
Quote from: Locutus on July 21, 2015, 05:32:36 PM
I think the party establishment is starting to have that fear themselves now.
As well they should, but it is far too late to cover that field full of turds now! :biggrin:
:repub: :4th3: Go GO MR. TRUMP GO GO :4th3: :salute: :bouquet:
Trump represents the future of American Government; the best that corporate money can buy. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on July 22, 2015, 07:59:06 PM
Trump represents the future of American Government; the best that corporate money can buy. :mad: :mad: :mad:
It all started when the Republicans wanted anyone else but Romney, you surely remember how :me: wanted 9-9-9 :haha: Now the Republicans wants anyone but another Bush. :rotfl:
I sure would like to see them get Trump. :pink: :pink: :pink: Bernie will kill them. :salute: :tiphat:
What I want is for Trump to run as an Independent. :clap: :yeah: :dance: :barman
No thoughts on last night's circus?
:puke:
It is truly scary that Donald Trump could even be considered. He is a vile, disgusting, stupid organism.
Oh ... and Jeb looked and sounded like Will Ferrell doing an impersonation of his brother. :biggrin:
I do believe Trump sunk his ship last night.
Quote from: me on August 07, 2015, 11:44:15 AM
I do believe Trump sunk his ship last night.
We can only hope. :yes:
The polls show Trump leading if you can believe that! Rand Paul was an idiot but he always is an idiot!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on August 07, 2015, 01:39:46 PM
The polls show Trump leading if you can believe that! Rand Paul was an idiot but he always is an idiot!
Today????? You have got to be kidding.
Quote from: me on August 07, 2015, 03:08:30 PM
Today????? You have got to be kidding.
True. :rant:
Money talks. I think people who support Donald Trump have forgotten -- or never knew, or just don't care -- that Donald's specialty is making Donald rich richer. And more powerful. Just try to imagine him as President of the United States. :spooked:
Quote from: me on August 07, 2015, 03:08:30 PM
Today????? You have got to be kidding.
Nope, not kidding. Donald doesn't have to campaign for the money and I don't recall which poll it was that I saw this! Of course, I don't go by polls but what happens on election day!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on August 07, 2015, 04:03:18 PM
Nope, not kidding. Donald doesn't have to campaign for the money and I don't recall which poll it was that I saw this! Of course, I don't go by polls but what happens on election day!
Just validates the sheer stupidity of the SCOTUS decision extending Constitutional Rights to corporations and removing the limitations on campaign contributions. Both ensure any governmental office goes to the highest bidder! :mad:
Quote from: Palehorse on August 07, 2015, 06:00:45 PM
Just validates the sheer stupidity of the SCOTUS decision extending Constitutional Rights to corporations and removing the limitations on campaign contributions. Both ensure any governmental office goes to the highest bidder! :mad:
Exactly!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on August 07, 2015, 04:03:18 PM
Nope, not kidding. Donald doesn't have to campaign for the money and I don't recall which poll it was that I saw this! Of course, I don't go by polls but what happens on election day!
After the debate the people who were on the polster program, I forget what it was called, that went in for him were totally against him.
Quote from: me on August 07, 2015, 06:17:30 PM
After the debate the people who were on the polster program, I forget what it was called, that went in for him were totally against him.
Regardless, he can practically buy his way into the nomination!
The only thing bigger than Donald Trump's bank account is his ego. You have to remember that. :wink:
Ole' Donald is gettin' some publicity to make some money all the while makin' fun of the other dumb arses which enables him to stroke his mighty ego. Heck the little feller is havin' fun all the while he knows no dabdurn body is takin' him seriously.
Best regards,
Duke (I need some cash) Jupiter ;) ;) ;) ;)
Can you say you are fired ?
Quote from: Locutus on August 07, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
The only thing bigger than Donald Trump's bank account is his ego. You have to remember that. :wink:
Very true!
Quote from: Locutus on August 07, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
The only thing bigger than Donald Trump's bank account is his ego. You have to remember that. :wink:
Yep, and can you imagine how much bigger his ego would get if he would actually get into the White House?
I did have to laugh at Ben Carson's comment about the brains and D.C. Lol
I did too, and I don't like Ben Carson. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on August 08, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
I did too, and I don't like Ben Carson. ;D
He did make some good points but he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning!
The clown car may start losing a few members shortly.
Columbia, South Carolina (CNN)Rick Perry has stopped paying his campaign staff, including in the key early states of Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as his candidacy struggles to generate momentum -- and cash.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/politics/perry-pay-south-carolina-staff/index.html
^^
He doesn't know that this country will never elect someone who makes George W. Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 11, 2015, 06:38:11 PM
^^
He doesn't know that this country will never elect someone who makes George W. Bush look like a Rhodes Scholar. :rolleyes:
:rotfl:
Alright we're doing character assassinations again rather than listening to the issues and how they intend to try to solve them. Way to go guys.
Rick Perry is an idiot.
"No greater example of it than this [Obama] administration sending millions of dollars into the solar industry, and we lost that money. I want to say it was over $500 million that went to the country Solynda." -- Rick Perry
^^ Need more? :roll eyes:
Quote from: Locutus on August 11, 2015, 10:11:57 PM
"No greater example of it than this [Obama] administration sending millions of dollars into the solar industry, and we lost that money. I want to say it was over $500 million that went to the country Solynda." -- Rick Perry
Help me. I can't find it Solynda on a map. Where did Rick Perry hide it? ;D
:sneaky:
:biggrin:
How about this by Rick Perry? "Juarez is reported to be the most dangerous city in America." He seems to be quite challenged in geography. :rolleyes:
"The reason that we fought the [American] Revolution in the 16th century — was to get away from that kind of onerous crown, if you will." —Rick Perry
"It's a theory that's out there. It's got some gaps in it. In Texas we teach both Creationism and evolution." –Rick Perry
"Juarez is reported to be the most dangerous city in America." –Rick Perry
"I am a firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution." —Rick Perry
How many more do you need 'me'?
Rick Perry is an idiot. No wonder he doesn't have any cash/supporters. :rolleyes:
I don't think the federal government has a role in your children's education." –Rick Perry
We've even debunked that crap somewhere around here before. The list just goes on, and on, and on, and on.
Here's another good one by Mr. Perry. "Those of you that will be 21 by November the 12th, I ask for your support and your vote."
Quote from: Locutus on August 11, 2015, 11:08:09 PM
I don't think the federal government has a role in your children's education." –Rick Perry
We've even debunked that crap somewhere around here before. The list just goes on, and on, and on, and on.
Things were just fine before the Federal government got involved so why should it be any different now.
Quote from: Locutus on August 11, 2015, 11:08:09 PM
I don't think the federal government has a role in your children's education." –Rick Perry
We've even debunked that crap somewhere around here before. The list just goes on, and on, and on, and on.
Yep, he is an idiot!
I went to school before the federal government got involved and everyone had to actually learn something to get passed to the next grade rather than just pass to keep from hurting someones feelings or making them feel inferior and there were very few, if any, open book tests. If you misbehaved you were sent to detention class not excused because you "had a bad childhood" and allowed to get by with it. If teachers didn't perform well they were fired. Look what we have now. Kids are passed whether they learn or not because they're scared for life if they're made to feel inferior, open book testing or having a computer to get the answers, no disipline, and teachers who, in a lot of cases, could care less, and the threat of money/funding being withheld if you stray from the federal rules and guidelines. Oh, and then there's the lowering of testing standards so "everyone" should be able to pass and get into a college. Didn't everyone attend the same classes and weren't they given the same lessons? Why lower the test standards? Teachers can no longer be fired for under performing because of unions or tenure so they continue to teach and get paid even though they are less than effective. Ya, the federal government sure is essential in running the schools. NOT!!!!!
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 08:16:57 AM
I went to school before the federal government got involved and everyone had to actually learn something to get passed to the next grade rather than just pass to keep from hurting someones feelings or making them feel inferior and there were very few, if any, open book tests. If you misbehaved you were sent to detention class not excused because you "had a bad childhood" and allowed to get by with it. If teachers didn't perform well they were fired. Look what we have now. Kids are passed whether they learn or not because they're scared for life if they're made to feel inferior, open book testing or having a computer to get the answers, no disipline, and teachers who, in a lot of cases, could care less, and the threat of money/funding being withheld if you stray from the federal rules and guidelines. Oh, and then there's the lowering of testing standards so "everyone" should be able to pass and get into a college. Didn't everyone attend the same classes and weren't they given the same lessons? Why lower the test standards? Teachers can no longer be fired for under performing because of unions or tenure so they continue to teach and get paid even though they are less than effective. Ya, the federal government sure is essential in running the schools. NOT!!!!!
Wrong, teachers can be fired for under performing, even tenured teachers. Now schools are going to performance in teachers for evaluations on them. Several teachers have been fired and even tenured teachers. Tenured means nothing these days!
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 08:16:57 AM
I went to school before the federal government got involved
WOW!!! Talk about idiots!!!
Did you go to school before 1785?
http://lwv.org/content/history-federal-government-public-education-where-have-we-been-and-how-did-we-get-here (http://lwv.org/content/history-federal-government-public-education-where-have-we-been-and-how-did-we-get-here)
From the very beginning of our Republic, a well-educated citizenry was thought to be essential to protect liberty and the general welfare of the people. Even before the Constitution was established, the Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 included responsibilities of the nation for an education system. Education has long been considered a national concern by the federal government. Through federal action, education has been encouraged and financially supported from the first Northwest Ordinance in 1785 to the present. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 08:16:57 AM
everyone had to actually learn something
Looks like you still missed out on that. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 08:56:22 AM
WOW!!! Talk about idiots!!!
Did you go to school before 1785?
http://lwv.org/content/history-federal-government-public-education-where-have-we-been-and-how-did-we-get-here (http://lwv.org/content/history-federal-government-public-education-where-have-we-been-and-how-did-we-get-here)
From the very beginning of our Republic, a well-educated citizenry was thought to be essential to protect liberty and the general welfare of the people. Even before the Constitution was established, the Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 included responsibilities of the nation for an education system. Education has long been considered a national concern by the federal government. Through federal action, education has been encouraged and financially supported from the first Northwest Ordinance in 1785 to the present. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.
Looks like you still missed out on that. :rolleyes:
They weren't as involved at least. There were no snow makeup days, threats of withholding funds, or any of that crap even when my kids went to school. My oldest daughter did have an English teacher who kept a bottle of whiskey in her desk drawer, my daughter said she was drunk in class, that I complained about and they couldn't fire her, even though they knew about it, because she was tenured. She was not a good teacher either. My daughter was an honor student and wanted to learn so they just switched her to another class with a teacher who cared. Tell me how education is better now with the feds dictating how things should be. Explain to me why, if it's better, kids graduate and some can't give correct change without the register telling them the amount, or can't read or spell worth a crap.
Quoteuring the first century of our new nation, Congress granted more than 77 million acres of the public domain as an endowment for the support of public schools through tracts ceded to the states. In 1841, Congress passed an act that granted 500,000 acres to eight states and later increased land grants to a total of 19 states. The federal government also granted money, such as distributions of surplus federal revenue and reimbursements for war expenses, to states. Though Congress rarely prescribed that such funds be used only for schools, education continued to be one of the largest expenses of state and local governments so the states used federal funds whenever possible for education.
Two of our constitutional amendments played an important role in public education. In 1791, the 10th Amendment stated, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Public education was not mentioned as one of those federal powers, and so historically has been delegated to the local and state governments.
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 09:12:50 AM
They weren't as involved at least. There were no snow makeup days, threats of withholding funds, or any of that crap even when my kids went to school. My oldest daughter did have an English teacher who kept a bottle of whiskey in her desk drawer, my daughter said she was drunk in class, that I complained about and they couldn't fire her, even though they knew about it, because she was tenured. She was not a good teacher either. My daughter was an honor student and wanted to learn so they just switched her to another class with a teacher who cared. Tell me how education is better now with the feds dictating how things should be. Explain to me why, if it's better, kids graduate and some can't give correct change without the register telling them the amount, or can't read or spell worth a crap.
But you wrote "
I went to school before the federal government got involved" which is obviously a
lie.
You also wrote "everyone had to actually learn something" which is at best an exaggeration. As you seem to have missed out on quite a bit.
Are you saying that education was better when you were in school, when it's obvious that you can't even construct a proper sentence?
Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
But you wrote "I went to school before the federal government got involved" which is obviously a lie.
You also wrote "everyone had to actually learn something" which is at best an exaggeration. As you seem to have missed out on quite a bit.
Are you saying that education was better when you were in school, when it's obvious that you can't even construct a proper sentence?
Ok, let's start the personal attack rather than sticking to the subject at hand. No, you didn't "have" to learn but you didn't pass to the next grade if you didn't and you also didn't graduate.
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 10:02:10 AM
Ok, let's start the personal attack rather than sticking to the subject at hand. No, you didn't "have" to learn but you didn't pass to the next grade if you didn't and you also didn't graduate.
OK. Then admit you lied when you wrote "I went to school before the federal government got involved"
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 10:02:10 AM
Ok, let's start the personal attack rather than sticking to the subject at hand.
That is the subject at hand. You claim the educational system was better when it's clear that it was and still is possible to make it through the entire system never having learned to correctly conjugate the most basic verbs in the English language.
Here's a perfect example:
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 09:24:29 AM
No, what you seen was a pic of him as a sweet innocent child who was shot by a nasty policeofficer.
Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 10:04:29 AM
OK. Then admit you lied when you wrote "I went to school before the federal government got involved"
That was not a lie I misspoke, they weren't
"as" involved.
[qote]uring the first century of our new nation, Congress granted more than 77 million acres of the public domain as an endowment for the support of public schools through tracts ceded to the states. In 1841, Congress passed an act that granted 500,000 acres to eight states and later increased land grants to a total of 19 states. The federal government also granted money, such as distributions of surplus federal revenue and reimbursements for war expenses, to states. Though
Congress rarely prescribed that such funds be used only for schools, education continued to be one of the largest expenses of state and local governments so the
states used federal funds whenever possible for education.Two of our constitutional amendments played an important role in public education. In 1791, the 10th Amendment stated, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Public education was not mentioned as one of those federal powers, and so historically has been delegated to the local and state governments.[/quote]
Yes, I fully understand what the lower quote says but no where does it say they have a right to withhold funds if the states don't abide by their rules and regulations. That is infringing on states rights.
[qote]From the very beginning of our Republic, a well-educated citizenry was thought to be essential to protect liberty and the general welfare of the people. Even before the Constitution was established, the Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 included responsibilities of the nation for an education system. Education has long been considered a national concern by the federal government. Through federal action, education has been encouraged and financially supported from the first Northwest Ordinance in 1785 to the present. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.[/quote]
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
That was not a lie I misspoke, they weren't "as" involved.
AHA! So ignorance is claimed which proves the point that education when you went to school was no better than it is now.
As to the rest, you let the summary statement fly right over what seems to be your empty head ...
Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.[/quote]
Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 01:03:15 PM
AHA! So ignorance is claimed which proves the point that education when you went to school was no better than it is now.
As to the rest, you let the summary statement fly right over what seems to be your empty head ...
Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.
But they still weren't into it as much then as they are now. Even when my kids went to school, the last one graduated in '82', the government wasn't as involved as they are now, and no I'm not saying just since the current administration. All the really stupid B S seems to have started sometime in the 90's.
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 03:47:54 PM
But they still weren't into it as much then as they are now. Even when my kids went to school, the last one graduated in '82', the government wasn't as involved as they are now, and no I'm not saying just since the current administration. All the really stupid B S seems to have started sometime in the 90's.
Oh, for Christ sakes! I remember standardized testing all the way back to when I was in elem school in the 50's. And remember the Modern Math mandate of the early 60's? Of course you don't!
You went to school before 1785. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on August 12, 2015, 03:47:54 PM
But they still weren't into it as much then as they are now. Even when my kids went to school, the last one graduated in '82', the government wasn't as involved as they are now, and no I'm not saying just since the current administration. All the really stupid B S seems to have started sometime in the 90's.
Really, because I graduated in '82 and we had standardized testing and the government was involved. They have always been involved in educational testing and plans. You can say they aren't but they are. As someone who had a parent who was a teacher and friends who teach, they can tell me that every time they turn around that there was, has and is new referendums for education!
Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 03:57:59 PM
Oh, for Christ sakes! I remember standardized testing all the way back to when I was in elem school in the 50's. And remember the Modern Math mandate of the early 60's? Of course you don't!
You went to school before 1785. :rolleyes:
There were testing back in the 70's and 80's when I was in school! It was called achievement tests back in the day!!
There has been Singapore Math and now Simple Solutions Math! Lol
Yes, there has always been testing and yes, it was standardized but the standards were not lowered so everyone should be able to pass it and those who didn't didn't graduate or move to the next grade. There was disipline and the teachers didn't have to put up with unruley students nor would they. The federal government wasn't as involved as they are now. Also what is it about this part that you seem to have missed?
QuoteDuring the first century of our new nation, Congress granted more than 77 million acres of the public domain as an endowment for the support of public schools through tracts ceded to the states. In 1841, Congress passed an act that granted 500,000 acres to eight states and later increased land grants to a total of 19 states. The federal government also granted money, such as distributions of surplus federal revenue and reimbursements for war expenses, to states. Though Congress rarely prescribed that such funds be used only for schools, education continued to be one of the largest expenses of state and local governments so the states used federal funds whenever possible for education.
Two of our constitutional amendments played an important role in public education. In 1791, the 10th Amendment stated, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Public education was not mentioned as one of those federal powers, and so historically has been delegated to the local and state governments.
I graduated in 1964 (yes, I am old) and the only standardized tests I remember were the ACT, PSAT and SAT. I remember kids getting held back in grade school and kids who didn't have enough of the right credits not graduating with their class.
Quote from: Anne on August 13, 2015, 10:54:04 AM
I graduated in 1964 (yes, I am old) and the only standardized tests I remember were the ACT, PSAT and SAT. I remember kids getting held back in grade school and kids who didn't have enough of the right credits not graduating with their class.
I graduated in 1969 and I can remember standardized tests all the way back to at least third grade. I remember Ms. Brooks showing me where I scored against the national average. :biggrin:
Quote from: Bo D on August 13, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
I graduated in 1969 and I can remember standardized tests all the way back to at least third grade. I remember Ms. Brooks showing me where I scored against the national average. :biggrin:
I went to township (read country) schools. I do remember taking an "IQ" test in grade school but we weren't told the result but our parents could get the numbers. At the time I thought the number was low, but my parents and teacher were pleased. :)
Quote from: Anne on August 13, 2015, 03:16:30 PM
I went to township (read country) schools. I do remember taking an "IQ" test in grade school but we weren't told the result but our parents could get the numbers. At the time I thought the number was low, but my parents and teacher were pleased. :)
Same thing happened to me. I remember the tests, including the IQ one. I got special attention from the teachers after that -- I thought it was because one of the questions was about Tecumseh and I knew who he was because I had just finished reading a little book about him.
Quote from: Bo D on August 12, 2015, 03:57:59 PM
Oh, for Christ sakes! I remember standardized testing all the way back to when I was in elem school in the 50's. And remember the Modern Math mandate of the early 60's? Of course you don't!
You went to school before 1785. :rolleyes:
Now show me where I said they didn't have standardized testing. I said they have now lowered the standards so almost everyone can pass just as they have lowered the standards to get into some colleges. Yes, I took a test each semester and those who didn't pass at the end of the year were held back and those who didn't pass the one at the end of grade 12 didn't graduate. In today's world kids need to learn both with technolog and without. If, heaven forbid, something should happen and they had to figure out how to function without all the devices available today they wouldn't make it.
Quote from: me on August 13, 2015, 08:29:06 PM
I said they have now lowered the standards so almost everyone can pass just as they have lowered the standards to get into some colleges.
Please provide your source for this tripe.
Quote from: Exterminator on August 14, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
Please provide your source for this tripe.
And...crickets...
Bad lip reading of the Republican debate. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=280&v=ufGlBv8Z3NU) :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on August 14, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
Please provide your source for this tripe.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=693
And here is a link from the colum on the right of the above article
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell060899.asp
Please explain how either of those (obviously biased) articles supports this statement with any kind of actual data:
Quote from: me on August 13, 2015, 08:29:06 PM
I said they have now lowered the standards so almost everyone can pass just as they have lowered the standards to get into some colleges.
If there is any proof of inbreeding and retardation of the American men and woman. :wink: All you have too do is look at the people running on the Republican ticket. :haha: :haha: :haha: All of them are retarded. :yes: :yes: :haha: :haha:
:biggrin: :yes:
"The event known around the world as hashtagGOPClownCar is improbable, colossal, spectacular and shocking; epic, monumental heinous and disgusting. It's like watching 17 platypuses try to mount the Queen of England. You can't tear your eyes away from it".
-Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11036642_10153236820149613_2901685528872584118_n.jpg?oh=41685fede065d110bfc80b8a37ef6dbf&oe=566E40B7)
We've talked at length here on the subject of American stupidity and that the average U.S. IQ is sub 100. The current presidential political process is a prime example of that stupidity being made plainly evident and how it may lead to the implosion of our country.
The fact that Trump is leading the GOP by spewing obvious BS, abject idiocy, and phony patriotic propaganda - and making it easier for other actual crazies like Ted Cruz, and the Toilet Paper Party, to be 'mainstream' - shows just how mentally incompetent the populace of this country has become and how unable it is to elect a SANE government and one that actually works.
If you're not sub 100, you should be afraid...you should be very afraid.
I am very afraid. :yes:
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon Johnson
Quote from: Exterminator on August 28, 2015, 02:24:45 PM
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." - Lyndon Johnson
Thought provoking! And sad.
When I heard this, I thought of you guys and had to post it....but it is a RUMOR, but the talk is Mitt Romney will enter this horse race......film at 11.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 01, 2015, 04:48:10 PM
When I heard this, I thought of you guys and had to post it....but it is a RUMOR, but the talk is Mitt Romney will enter this horse race......film at 11.
Bring him on, Trump will kill him. :haha: :yes:
Even though Huckabee wasn't a contender at all, he signed his political death warrant with the Kim Davis fiasco.
Interesting that the token negro, Ben Carson, is being helped along on the Gump's coattails.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 01, 2015, 04:48:10 PM
When I heard this, I thought of you guys and had to post it....but it is a RUMOR, but the talk is Mitt Romney will enter this horse race......film at 11.
Momma said previously 'he ain't gonna run'. I doubt the Mittster's going to cross momma. You know the old adage - 'if momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!' :biggrin:
In other news, the ReThugs in Congress are STILL trying to drum up any ridiculous scandal to sink the 'Hill'. They certainly appear desperate!
News flash!
Biden is bidin' his time deciding whether to enter the fray. He may be waiting to see if any permanent damage can be done to the 'Hill' by either the ReThugs in Congress or Bernie Sanders.
I think Biden is a decent guy, but I don't think he'd do well against a sane Republican candidate - IF you can find one. :biggrin:
The 'Gump' is sucking all the air out of the out of the room in that insane asylum that is the Republican party.
He also signed an 'agreement' not to run third party - an 'agreement' that's not worth whatever paper it was written on. :biggrin:
Even though half of our nation is sub 100 IQ, I'd like to think that sooner or later the adults in the room have to start asking and demanding cogent responses about governing from the 'Gump' and the other ReThug crazies.
On the issue of Immigration, you CAN'T deport millions of people. Besides being physically impossible, I suspect a violent reaction to any attempt...and you don't want even a percentage of them to be scared enough to start a ruckus.
Quote from: Y on September 10, 2015, 04:24:28 PM
I think Biden is a decent guy, but I don't think he'd do well against a sane Republican candidate - IF you can find one. :biggrin:
I agree with that 100%.
Quote from: Locutus on September 10, 2015, 04:33:43 PM
I agree with that 100%.
Pundits talk about the 'Hill's' baggage, but to look at it from ReThug's view, they'll lay all of the past's attacks on Obama straight over on Biden. Therefore, Biden will have all of Obama's baggage.
The "Gump" proves my claim that ANY office in the country can now be bought by the highest bidder. (Thanks SCOTUS).
They can say what they want, as much as they want, as long as the money holds out; and do so with impunity. As long as they have the cash to flood the media with enough emotional flotsam to obscure the view of the average voter and keep them wringing their hands, they have a better than average shot of getting into the office.
"Gump" has that money. . . and the SCOTUS has all but sealed his candidacy. . . :mad:
Clown car is down a rider. Rick Perry has dropped out of the race. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on September 11, 2015, 05:59:29 PM
Clown car is down a rider. Rick Perry has dropped out of the race. :yes:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on September 11, 2015, 05:59:29 PM
Clown car is down a rider. Rick Perry has dropped out of the race. :yes:
Do you think that there is a corporation that is stupid enough to hire him as a member of their board of directors. :haha: :haha:
Well, in just about twenty-four hours the next round of ReThug insanity from the wackos will be put on parade as red meat for the idiot masses to consume and regurgitate.
I just can't believe people put up with this crude carnival ridiculousness. :rolleyes:
Anybody going to watch the clowns on the debate stages tonight? ;D
Quote from: Locutus on September 16, 2015, 05:54:05 PM
Anybody going to watch the clowns on the debate stages tonight? ;D
Nope. I'll watch the cartoons tomorrow!
I'm not going to watch the early one with the noncontenders. I may watch the later one just to see any fireworks surrounding Trump. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on September 16, 2015, 05:54:05 PM
Anybody going to watch the clowns on the debate stages tonight? ;D
Yep! It was very interesting. It is NICE having several qualified candidates to pick from....all of them had great point at times.
Talk about a circus show will be the democrat debate between Hillary and OH.....Hillary. Talk about a clown....damn
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 17, 2015, 07:16:32 AM
Yep! It was very interesting. It is NICE having several qualified candidates to pick from....all of them had great point at times.
Talk about a circus show will be the democrat debate between Hillary and OH.....Hillary. Talk about a clown....damn
Thanks for the commentary from the cheap seats.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 17, 2015, 07:16:32 AM
It is NICE having several qualified candidates to pick from....
Hypocrisy! It seems to me that you and your ilk demonized Obama for his lack of experience.
How many of the front-running reguritants have ever been elected to ANY public office?
Quote from: Bo D on September 17, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Hypocrisy! It seems to me that you and your ilk demonized Obama for his lack of experience.
How do you come up with this lack of experience thing?
Quote from: me on September 17, 2015, 10:17:03 AM
How do you come up with this lack of experience thing?
One of the first signs of dementia is memory loss. Get help.
When Barack Obama was seeking the presidency in 2008, Republicans frequently derided his career experience, saying it was limited to a scant four years in the U.S. Senate, some time in the Illinois Senate, and having been a "community organizer" in Chicago.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/18/mitt-romney/romney-says-barack-obama-has-no-private-sector-exp/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/18/mitt-romney/romney-says-barack-obama-has-no-private-sector-exp/)
(and many, many more like that.)
I meant on the candidates part, I know Obama lacked experience and it was mentioned several times during his run.
Quote from: me on September 17, 2015, 11:29:24 AM
I meant on the candidates part, I know Obama lacked experience and it was mentioned several times during his run.
Trump?
Carson?
Fiorina?
Quote from: Bo D on September 17, 2015, 11:49:26 AM
Trump?
Carson?
Fiorina?
Fiorina and Trump both have more experience with heads of state than Obama did and Fiorina has had a top security clearance when working with the government after 9/11.
Quote from: Bo D on September 17, 2015, 09:33:22 AM
Hypocrisy! It seems to me that you and your ilk demonized Obama for his lack of experience.
How many of the front-running reguritants have ever been elected to ANY public office?
Who says you have to be in public office to be qualified to be POTUS?
Quote from: me on September 17, 2015, 03:28:21 PM
Fiorina and Trump both have more experience with heads of state than Obama did and Fiorina has had a top security clearance when working with the government after 9/11.
Absolute BULLSHIT!
Hell! I had a top security clearance in the Clinton White House. That does nothing to qualify her.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 17, 2015, 03:51:31 PM
Who says you have to be in public office to be qualified to be POTUS?
YOU!Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 03, 2012, 08:34:38 AM
well the best you guys could muster was a community organizer from CHICAGO....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on July 31, 2012, 02:56:33 PM
Obama was not that way. He was a one-term senator and a community organizer.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 19, 2009, 01:43:14 PM
....i still see a guy, who was a community organizer AND a senator for a 100 plus days...who is gifted at speaking....he got the media behind him...and now he is president....I think he is in over his head, but has WAY too big of an ego to realize it...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 09, 2012, 09:44:56 AM
He was only a community organizer, state senator, and US Senator for a few months before he ran for POTUS.
And many more reprobates like you! :rolleyes:
When Barack Obama was seeking the presidency in 2008, Republicans frequently derided his career experience, saying it was limited to a scant four years in the U.S. Senate, some time in the Illinois Senate, and having been a "community organizer" in Chicago.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/18/mitt-romney/romney-says-barack-obama-has-no-private-sector-exp/ (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/18/mitt-romney/romney-says-barack-obama-has-no-private-sector-exp/)
Nope!
There are other ways you can be qualified imo....Trump, has been a leader for years. He knows business, he knows how to negotiate and he knows how to make informed decisions...that is what a POTUS must understand.
I'm not saying that I think ALL of those on the repub side is ready either. I like aspects on several of them, but some of them I don't think are ready either.
I like Rubio, Paul and Cruz but they can use more time....but I think they are up and coming.
Huckabee, Kasich, Christie and Walker are all Gov's or former Gov's....and are extremely qualified.
Carson is interesting, that he is an extremely intelligent man, who understand the healthcare industry and is very well spoken...I really like him.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 17, 2015, 04:39:38 PM
Trump, has been a leader for years. He knows business, he knows how to negotiate and he knows how to make informed decisions...
Oh, yeah! Bankrupt four times! 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009.
$900 million in personal debt
He had to sell his Trump Princess yacht, his Trump Shuttle airline, and his stake in a handful of other businesses.
Oh, yeah! He knows business.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 17, 2015, 04:39:38 PM
Carson is interesting, that he is an extremely intelligent man, who understand the healthcare industry and is very well spoken...I really like him.
Is that code for "speaks like a white man?"
Quote from: Bo D on September 17, 2015, 05:00:14 PM
Oh, yeah! Bankrupt four times! 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009.
$900 million in personal debt
He had to sell his Trump Princess yacht, his Trump Shuttle airline, and his stake in a handful of other businesses.
Oh, yeah! He knows business.
Out of the SEVERAL hundreds of business he has done over the years and MILLIONS of dollars he has made....he had FOUR business, that needed to be restructured....he did everything by the law. THAT is what good business men do.
Quote from: Bo D on September 17, 2015, 05:01:24 PM
Is that code for "speaks like a white man?"
Are you being racist? Why is it I say he is well spoken, YOU have to assume that I'm being racist? Do you think just white people are well spoken? I happen to like the way he speaks soft, thinks before he speaks, and doesn't rattle shit off like most politicians do.
Typical liberal, always turns something into a race issue, when they have nothing else to argue about.
Quote from: Bo D on September 17, 2015, 05:01:24 PM
Is that code for "speaks like a white man?"
He if it was acceptable for Biden to say that, or similar, about Obama then it's perfectly acceptable for H H to say that about Carson. Why are you always bringing up the color of his skin anyway? What difference does it make he's a man and he's well educated and qualified for the position.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 17, 2015, 05:04:08 PM
THAT is what good business men do.
Good businessmen don't repay their creditors?
Quote from: me on September 17, 2015, 07:44:01 PM
He if it was acceptable for Biden to say that, or similar, about Obama then it's perfectly acceptable for H H to say that about Carson. Why are you always bringing up the color of his skin anyway? What difference does it make he's a man and he's well educated and qualified for the position.
If you are capable, then do a search on all my posts and you will find that I have
NEVER before broached the subject of skin color! :rant:
"he's a man and he's well educated and qualified for the position." A perfect description of Barrack Obama!
Quote from: Exterminator on September 18, 2015, 08:03:17 AM
Good businessmen don't repay their creditors?
Those creditors took the risk when they gave Trump the money. A business chapter 11, merely allows the business to negotiate a new deal. Giving them more time to pay back the debt. He repaid much of it, and some cases, he gave up ownership to many of those creditors....he broke no laws. This is something that is done by many good business men often.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 18, 2015, 09:02:47 AM
Those creditors took the risk when they gave Trump the money. A business chapter 11, merely allows the business to negotiate a new deal. Giving them more time to pay back the debt. He repaid much of it, and some cases, he gave up ownership to many of those creditors....he broke no laws. This is something that is done by many good business men often.
All I can say is ... WOW! :eek:
Quote from: Bo D on September 18, 2015, 08:43:29 AM
If you are capable, then do a search on all my posts and you will find that I have NEVER before broached the subject of skin color! :rant:
"he's a man and he's well educated and qualified for the position." A perfect description of Barrack Obama!
No, it isn't.
Why would he not allow his grades to be released? What does it really take to be a community organizer? What kind of people has he associated himself with? What were the politics of his family who were a big infulence on his beliefs? What were the political beliefs of his father whom he admired and wanted to be like? How did he spend his high school years, which I previously provided, (in his own words), proof of and would that type of behaviour have lead to his being able to get a scholorship?
Quote from: me on September 18, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
his father whom he admired and wanted to be like?
Where in the hell do you get this stuff from?
Obama barely knew his father except in dreams, or nightmares. He spent time with the old man only once, when he was 10, for an unsatisfying month.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-44th-president-was-his-mothers-son/2012/05/11/gIQA6NV1IU_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-44th-president-was-his-mothers-son/2012/05/11/gIQA6NV1IU_story.html)
Quote from: me on September 18, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Why would he not allow his grades to be released?
Why would George W. Bush not allow his grades to be released? (And don't say he did - they were leaked out by someone else.)
Few modern presidents have released their transcripts, nor are they under any obligation to do so, since these records are protected by federal privacy laws. Not releasing them does not mean the person has something to hide. Second, many conspiracy theories have been found on the internet about Mr. Obama, but there is no proof to any of them. Regarding his college grades, there is something that we do know: his grades from Harvard Law School. It is public record, and was reported in the press of that time (1991) that he graduated in the top 10% of his class and received academic honors (magna cum laude).
Quote from: Bo D on September 18, 2015, 12:31:43 PM
Where in the hell do you get this stuff from?
Obama barely knew his father except in dreams, or nightmares. He spent time with the old man only once, when he was 10, for an unsatisfying month.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-44th-president-was-his-mothers-son/2012/05/11/gIQA6NV1IU_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-44th-president-was-his-mothers-son/2012/05/11/gIQA6NV1IU_story.html)
Read the first edition, not the revised one, of his book, Dreams Of My Father.
Quote from: Bo D on September 18, 2015, 12:46:56 PM
Why would George W. Bush not allow his grades to be released? (And don't say he did - they were leaked out by someone else.)
Few modern presidents have released their transcripts, nor are they under any obligation to do so, since these records are protected by federal privacy laws. Not releasing them does not mean the person has something to hide. Second, many conspiracy theories have been found on the internet about Mr. Obama, but there is no proof to any of them. Regarding his college grades, there is something that we do know: his grades from Harvard Law School. It is public record, and was reported in the press of that time (1991) that he graduated in the top 10% of his class and received academic honors (magna cum laude).
Anyone can say they graduated with honors and if he did what was the problem with releasing those grades? Show me the actual grades that were released not just that it was "reported that he graduated in the top 10%". I want "imperical evidence" that it is so. Obama's grades were locked up so they couldn't be leaked and he paid a huge sum of money to make sure of it. Why would he do that if he indeed graduated with honors? He should have been proud of it and wanted people to see those grades and put a stop to the rumors.
Quote from: me on September 18, 2015, 01:12:00 PM
Read the first edition, not the revised one, of his book, Dreams Of My Father.
Have you read either one? Can you quote passages (with links) to prove your point?
Quote from: Bo D on September 18, 2015, 01:51:05 PM
Have you read either one? Can you quote passages (with links) to prove your point?
I did and you had some smart crack and name calling to do about it so, no, I will not go to the library and do it all over again. I even showed where certain things were removed from the revised editions. I checked out both the book and the audio cd of each and posted copies of the book pages as well as clips from the audio cd. It was after that I said never again will I go to the trouble of researching like that and I won't, you do it.
Quote from: me on September 18, 2015, 03:27:01 PM
I did and you had some smart crack and name calling to do about it so, no, I will not go to the library and do it all over again. I even showed where certain things were removed from the revised editions. I checked out both the book and the audio cd of each and posted copies of the book pages as well as clips from the audio cd. It was after that I said never again will I go to the trouble of researching like that and I won't, you do it.
:liar2:
You can find the full text of both versions online. I'll wait for you to show me the passage where he admired his father so much.
LMAO! Like she's ever read a book...
Jeez! I thought we'd been down the road about this book once before when she was lying about it.
We did! Here it is right here. I even borrowed the book from the library and scanned a few pages in to refute her lies at the time. :rolleyes:
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18247.msg437327#msg437327
Quote from: Locutus on September 18, 2015, 04:28:09 PM
We did! Here it is right here. I even borrowed the book from the library and scanned a few pages in to refute her lies at the time. :rolleyes:
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=18247.msg437327#msg437327
Did you check and see if it was the revised edition? I Posted both the first edition as well as the same passage and page from the revised edition showing it had been changed. I also posted the audio from the audio cd. The first edition came out before he ran for President and it was revised later.
Quote from: me on September 18, 2015, 04:35:51 PM
Did you check and see if it was the revised edition? I Posted both the first edition as well as the same passage and page from the revised edition showing it had been changed. I also posted the audio from the audio cd. The first edition came out before he ran for President and it was revised later.
Why don't you show us the link to the page on this forum where you posted those differences?
Quote from: Bo D on September 18, 2015, 04:44:49 PM
Why don't you show us the link to the page on this forum where you posted those differences?
I posted it you find it. After all, you are the one questioning it now. I worked to get the info to post it you work to find it since it didn't sink when posted. You will need to go back at least 3 and maybe 4 yrs and that's as much of a hint as I'm gonna give you.
Quote from: me on September 18, 2015, 04:52:44 PM
I posted it you find it. After all, you are the one questioning it now. I worked to get the info to post it you work to find it since it didn't sink when posted. You will need to go back at least 3 and maybe 4 yrs and that's as much of a hint as I'm gonna give you.
Oh... I've already done it. You did no such thing. You just made allusion to changes but never posted any proof.
In fact, we asked and asked for specifics. But you never provided a single example of changed texts.
It begins right about here .... http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.4485 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.4485)
Quote from: Bo D on September 18, 2015, 05:07:50 PM
Oh... I've already done it. You did no such thing. You just made allusion to changes but never posted any proof.
In fact, we asked and asked for specifics. But you never provided a single example of changed texts.
It begins right about here .... http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.4485 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16971.4485)
That was before I went to the library.
Quote from: me on May 15, 2012, 02:29:30 PM
Hound away if you will. If I have to I'll go to the library and get the book or the tape since I can't find it online except for the on place I found yesterday and the audio had been removed and showed "no longer available". Oh, and btw it was not a Fox News thing where I found it either. :razz:
Did anyone see Palin interview Trump on Faux? I actually tried to watch it for the humor factor, but after about 3 minutes I got a migraine. Nails scraping a chalkboard would be less offensive.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 18, 2015, 06:14:51 PM
Did anyone see Palin interview Trump on Faux? I actually tried to watch it for the humor factor, but after about 3 minutes I got a migraine. Nails scraping a chalkboard would be less offensive.
I refuse to watch the clown show in any of its endless variations; including Palin's "my pretty pony" version. . . :mad:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 18, 2015, 06:14:51 PM
Did anyone see Palin interview Trump on Faux? I actually tried to watch it for the humor factor, but after about 3 minutes I got a migraine. Nails scraping a chalkboard would be less offensive.
Did he tell her that her daughter is a whore? :icon_twisted:
You at the library Bo D? http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=19167.msg508211#msg508211
Quote from: me on September 21, 2015, 01:03:42 PM
You at the library Bo D? http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=19167.msg508211#msg508211
Let's go back to what started this exchange last week ...
Quote from: me on September 18, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
his father whom he admired and wanted to be like?
Quote from: Bo D on September 18, 2015, 12:31:43 PM
Where in the hell do you get this stuff from?
Obama barely knew his father except in dreams, or nightmares. He spent time with the old man only once, when he was 10, for an unsatisfying month.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-44th-president-was-his-mothers-son/2012/05/11/gIQA6NV1IU_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-44th-president-was-his-mothers-son/2012/05/11/gIQA6NV1IU_story.html)
You still haven't quoted a single passage that shows that Obama admired his father and wanted to be like him ....
Still waiting ....
Quote from: Bo D on September 21, 2015, 01:36:36 PM
Let's go back to what started this exchange last week ...
You still haven't quoted a single passage that shows that Obama admired his father and wanted to be like him ....
Still waiting ....
Yes, I did but that was "after" I went to the library and got a copy of the first edition of the book.
Quote from: me on September 21, 2015, 03:42:06 PM
Yes, I did but that was "after" I went to the library and got a copy of the first edition of the book.
No, you didn't. I looked and there is nothing about him admiring his father in any of those posts.
Still waiting ...
Rick Perry
Scott Walker
:yes: ;D
Quote from: Bo D on September 21, 2015, 03:53:03 PM
No, you didn't. I looked and there is nothing about him admiring his father in any of those posts.
Still waiting ...
Well you can just keep waiting 'cause I've already gone to the library and posted pages and audio and I'm not doing it again. As I stated in my post the link I used for a reference originally has been removed which is why I went to the library to get the first edition of both to use. Do you remember how to look things up at the library?
Quote from: me on September 21, 2015, 11:04:44 PM
Well you can just keep waiting 'cause I've already gone to the library and posted pages and audio and I'm not doing it again. As I stated in my post the link I used for a reference originally has been removed which is why I went to the library to get the first edition of both to use. Do you remember how to look things up at the library?
I do and his book doesn't even mention him admiring his father. In his book, he mentions an image of his absent father from stories by his mother. He only saw his father only one time in 1971 and his father died in 1982.
Someone on this thread is lying. Just sayin'...
Quote from: Exterminator on September 22, 2015, 08:00:42 AM
Someone on this thread is lying. Just sayin'...
Go to the library and get a first edition copy of the book. I'm not too lazy to do that abut evidently you are. I did it once and won't do it again for this. I don't rely on info from the computer, it can be changed and has been, I still go to the original source. Things like this is why we ended up with Obama in the first place, people too lazy to get real info and believing everything said on the news or the computer.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2015, 09:39:53 AM
Go to the library and get a first edition copy of the book. I'm not too lazy to do that abut evidently you are. I did it once and won't do it again for this. I don't rely on info from the computer, it can be changed and has been, I still go to the original source. Things like this is why we ended up with Obama in the first place, people too lazy to get real info and believing everything said on the news or the computer.
You're either delusional or a flat out liar. You never proved it before and you can't now because it didn't happen.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 22, 2015, 07:59:47 AM
I do and his book doesn't even mention him admiring his father. In his book, he mentions an image of his absent father from stories by his mother. He only saw his father only one time in 1971 and his father died in 1982.
BINGO! Why can't 'me' grasp this very simple concept?
Quote from: Bo D on September 22, 2015, 10:17:14 AM
BINGO! Why can't 'me' grasp this very simple concept?
It helps one if one has actually read the book! I read a lot of books on Presidents because I find them interesting! I also read a lot of military history books because I find them also interesting!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 22, 2015, 10:28:28 AM
It helps one if one has actually read the book!
Sometimes, I doubt that 'me' has read anything other than National Enquirer headlines.
Quote from: Bo D on September 22, 2015, 10:45:32 AM
Sometimes, I doubt that 'me' has read anything other than National Enquirer headlines.
Don't forget emails She reads lots and lots of emails. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on September 22, 2015, 12:34:10 PM
Don't forget emails She reads lots and lots of emails. ;D
Yeah - too bad she doesn't have a spam filter.
Too bad you all believe the garbage on the internet too. Tell ya what, you just keep on slamming me if it makes you feel better and thinks it proves anything. I know what I read and where I read it. Just because I give up doesn't mean you won either it means it's useless trying to make ya'll see the light 'cause yer too wrapped up in left wing rhetoric to actually listen and observe.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2015, 03:05:02 PM
Too bad you all believe the garbage on the internet too. Tell ya what, you just keep on slamming me if it makes you feel better and thinks it proves anything. I know what I read and where I read it. Just because I give up doesn't mean you won either it means it's useless trying to make ya'll see the light 'cause yer too wrapped up in left wing rhetoric to actually listen and observe.
I don't believe in left or right wing. What I do believe is that you claim in this book about Obama that he talks about his admiration of his father. A father he last saw when he was a kid in 1971. I saw nothing in his book that he admired him but that he decided to admire an absent father made up by stories of his father by his mother. Made up means the stories of him were probably not true.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2015, 03:05:02 PM
Too bad you all believe the garbage on the internet too. Tell ya what, you just keep on slamming me if it makes you feel better and thinks it proves anything. I know what I read and where I read it. Just because I give up doesn't mean you won either it means it's useless trying to make ya'll see the light 'cause yer too wrapped up in left wing rhetoric to actually listen and observe.
We aren't talking about the Internet. I read the damn book! I own the damn book! And since you started this crap about Obama admiring his father, I read it again. And you lied when you made that claim.
Do you have one of the revised editions?
Quote from: me on September 22, 2015, 05:08:51 PM
Do you have one of the revised editions?
Even a revised edition never mentions that he admired his father! In 2004, the book was republished due to his primary victory in Illinois. This followed by (2) weeks his July keynote address of the 2004 Democratic National Convention. The 2004 edition includes a preface by Obama and his DNC keynote address!
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 22, 2015, 05:30:51 PM
Even a revised edition never mentions that he admired his father! In 2004, the book was republished due to his primary victory in Illinois. This followed by (2) weeks his July keynote address of the 2004 Democratic National Convention. The 2004 edition includes a preface by Obama and his DNC keynote address!
There were other revisions in both that and the audio book version.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2015, 09:39:32 PM
There were other revisions in both that and the audio book version.
There hasn't been a revision to it since 2004.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 22, 2015, 10:00:42 PM
There hasn't been a revision to it since 2004.
And that has what to do with anything? Some of those revisions were made to remove controversial things that made him look bad and raised questions.
Quote from: me on September 23, 2015, 07:29:16 AM
And that has what to do with anything? Some of those revisions were made to remove controversial things that made him look bad and raised questions.
You are the one who claims that he admired his father and the revisions don't have that. It has about his speeches from his keynote address in 2004 at the Democratic National Convention.
Quote from: me on September 22, 2015, 03:05:02 PM
Too bad you all believe the garbage on the internet too. Tell ya what, you just keep on slamming me if it makes you feel better and thinks it proves anything. I know what I read and where I read it. Just because I give up doesn't mean you won either it means it's useless trying to make ya'll see the light 'cause yer too wrapped up in left wing rhetoric to actually listen and observe.
How about admitting that you just made the whole thing up? You won't prove it because you can't because no version of the book ever said that. Geez...you're as bad a s Carly Fiorina with her non-existent videos. (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/carly-fiorina-opponents-must-prove-to-me-they-watched-my-non-existent-fetus-videos/) :rolleyes:
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/A%20Obama%20book%20for%20forum2_zpsnkjntn5m.jpg)
Quote from: me on September 25, 2015, 10:57:46 AM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/A%20Obama%20book%20for%20forum%20resize2_zpsarpxqe5j.png)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/A%20Obama%20book%20for%20forum2_zpsnkjntn5m.jpg)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
That isn't a quote from 'Dreams from my Father." :rant: Besides ... it only validates what we have been saying. He never "admired" his father and if you had read the book you would know that. He describes a childhood wondering what his father was like and building an imaginary abstract of him.
"his internal image of him"
"his fervent wish to be loved by him"
"idealized image"
This isn't admiration. It is the fantasy of a young boy.
And I'm not going back to the library to find the book again so stuff it. I told you from the beginning that the original link I used had been removed and that's why I had to get the book.
Quote from: me on September 25, 2015, 12:19:59 PM
And I'm not going back to the library to find the book again so stuff it. I told you from the beginning that the original link I used had been removed and that's why I had to get the book.
Just f*&#ing admit it! You have never read the book.
Quote from: Bo D on September 25, 2015, 01:10:54 PM
Just f*&#ing admit it! You have never read the book.
I knew that a long time ago. :biggrin:
Quote from: Bo D on September 25, 2015, 01:10:54 PM
Just f*&#ing admit it! You have never read the book.
I did read the passages which pertain to this subject because that's the pages I had the link to and, since they were removed from the internet, wanted to see if they were really there. And the same with the audio cd. Both the thing about his father and the passages on the audio were changed in the revised edition.
Quote from: me on September 25, 2015, 02:09:58 PM
I did read the passages which pertain to this subject because that's the pages I had the link to and, since they were removed from the internet, wanted to see if they were really there. And the same with the audio cd. Both the thing about his father and the passages on the audio were changed in the revised edition.
No they weren't. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Bo D on September 25, 2015, 02:35:18 PM
No they weren't. :rolleyes:
Yes, they were which is why I went to the library in the first place. Go get a revised audio version and you'll see for yourself that what I put on there is changed both on it and in the book.
Quote from: me on September 26, 2015, 03:27:17 AM
Yes, they were which is why I went to the library in the first place. Go get a revised audio version and you'll see for yourself that what I put on there is changed both on it and in the book.
No pages or links have been removed. Why you can't admit that he didn't admire his father or the book is about his father is beyond me. If I haven't read a book I sure don't make claims about what is in it.
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on September 26, 2015, 07:53:43 AM
No pages or links have been removed. Why you can't admit that he didn't admire his father or the book is about his father is beyond me. If I haven't read a book I sure don't make claims about what is in it.
They were removed from the internet and that was a couple of years ago at least. They change or remove information, (have it taken down) videos and such, when it contains info they don't want out and unless someone has copied it or downloaded it into their computers, which you couldn't download videos at that particular time, it's lost. I won't get into a pissin' match with you like Troll does so you may as well stop with this.
Quote from: me on September 26, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
They were removed from the internet and that was a couple of years ago at least. They change or remove information, (have it taken down) videos and such, when it contains info they don't want out and unless someone has copied it or downloaded it into their computers, which you couldn't download videos at that particular time, it's lost. I won't get into a pissin' match with you like Troll does so you may as well stop with this.
That is because you aren't telling the truth and you know it! It is not a pissing match just the fact remains that you claim you read a book and that in that book you claim Obama admires his father who he didn't know! Does it suck to know you are wrong?
Quote from: me on September 26, 2015, 01:46:24 PM
They were removed from the internet and that was a couple of years ago at least. They change or remove information, (have it taken down) videos and such, when it contains info they don't want out and unless someone has copied it or downloaded it into their computers, which you couldn't download videos at that particular time, it's lost.
Nope. If it ever existed, it's been archived: https://archive.org/web/
I no longer have the link I where the info was so that doesn't help. That's been a few years and I don't even have the bookmarked page anymore since I have a new computer and I don't think I saved that particular bookmark to my external hd since it wasn't any good at the time.
:rolleyes:
"A political liar is a pitiful liar."
Alfred Greenwood Hales
Folks can you really believe it that this is all the people that the Republican Party has to run for president of the United State of America. I have never seen such a high pile of shit that they have running. :puke: :puke:
Quote from: The Troll on October 03, 2015, 04:02:03 PM
Folks can you really believe it that this is all the people that the Republican Party has to run for president of the United State of America. I have never seen such a high pile of shit that they have running. :puke: :puke:
WOW! You need to look into that mirror dude....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on October 05, 2015, 08:19:48 AM
WOW! You need to look into that mirror dude....
Dumb Dick, I'm not running for president. You absolutely amaze me how you can live without a brain. :haha: :haha: :haha:
I think Jeb Bush is out. He really stunk last night in the GOP debate. I am pleased he is NOT going to be in the running. He is by far the worst one in this line up, imo.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2015, 08:37:49 AM
I think Jeb Bush is out. He really stunk last night in the GOP debate. I am pleased he is NOT going to be in the running. He is by far the worst one in this line up, imo.
WOW! And to think you voted for George W. Bush twice. :groan:
Quote from: The Troll on November 11, 2015, 09:46:28 AM
WOW! And to think you voted for George W. Bush twice. :groan:
Yep! Jeb is no W, that is for sure.
Think about it though Troll, it was either Bush or Gore, then it was Bush or Kerry.........Bush was the better of the two..........
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2015, 08:37:49 AM
I think Jeb Bush is out. He really stunk last night in the GOP debate. I am pleased he is NOT going to be in the running. He is by far the worst one in this line up, imo.
Sad thing is, out of all of them, Jeb is one of the most sane.
Quote from: Locutus on November 11, 2015, 11:31:37 AM
Sad thing is, out of all of them, Jeb is one of the most sane.
Naw, not even close....the old man was a pretty good dude, who was also very sharp.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2015, 11:34:52 AM
Naw, not even close....the old man was a pretty good dude, who was also very sharp.
I meant out of the current coterie of clowns; not the family. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 11, 2015, 11:38:18 AM
I meant out of the current coterie of clowns; not the family. ;D
Naw...........not even close, he is my LEAST favorite out of all of them........he is phony as hell, not a good speaker and has no charisma. IMO.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2015, 08:37:49 AM
I think Jeb Bush is out. He really stunk last night in the GOP debate. I am pleased he is NOT going to be in the running. He is by far the worst one in this line up, imo.
I would guess that his heart is not in it any more for another reason, which is family related: Jon Meachum was on Morning Joe on Nov 6th talking about his new book, a biography of Jeb's dad, President George H.W. Bush -- in which the old man is quoted as criticizing Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. That caused quite a stir. Publishing date: yesterday.
No wonder Jeb has that dazed look on his face.
Destiny and Power, the American Odyssey of George H.W. Bush
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2015, 08:37:49 AM
I think Jeb Bush is out. He really stunk last night in the GOP debate. I am pleased he is NOT going to be in the running. He is by far the worst one in this line up, imo.
The pundits I heard on NPR this morning / afternoon were of the opinion he was improved over his previous outings. That being said, I would disagree upon him being the worst of the bunch; in fact in my opinion he's far from the worst.
But I still wouldn't give him my vote. Not on his best day and my worst, even if he held the cure for whatever was ailing me. . .
I have to agree with W's wife when she said, "This country has had enough Bush's. " :wink:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2015, 05:00:39 PM
I have to agree with W's wife when she said, "This country has had enough Bush's. " :wink:
I agree! I also think we have had enough Clinton's too....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 11, 2015, 05:06:39 PM
I agree! I also think we have had enough Clinton's too....
We've only had one Clinton, but endured two Bush's. . . :wink:
Quote from: Palehorse on November 11, 2015, 05:09:38 PM
We've only had one Clinton, but endured two Bush's. . . :wink:
Let's learn a lesson from history, the second one is not ever as good as the first one. Let's not make that same mistake.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 12, 2015, 07:53:02 AM
Let's learn a lesson from history, the second one is not ever as good as the first one. Let's not make that same mistake.
You'd better get used to the idea.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2015, 07:55:15 AM
You'd better get used to the idea.
What a sad state of affairs our country has sunken too, it THAT is what you really believe or worse yet, if that does indeed happen. How is it possible, someone who is as corrupt as this person is, can lead the majority of the sheep into jumping off the cliff?
I think we still have MORE good folks out there who isn't naive enough to allow that to happen...... :yes: :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 12, 2015, 07:59:28 AM
I think we still have MORE good folks out there who isn't naive enough to allow that to happen...... :yes: :wink:
Why do we let illiterates vote?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2015, 09:46:16 AM
Why do we let illiterates vote?
To keep democrats in power, duh!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 12, 2015, 09:48:59 AM
To keep democrats in power, duh!
...says the guy who can't correctly conjugate the most basic verb in the English language. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2015, 09:52:23 AM
...says the guy who can't correctly conjugate the most basic verb in the English language. :rolleyes:
That is always your retort when you are wrong on something......typical liberal response is to attack.
Do you honestly believe you are a better person because you have slightly better skill with the English language?
You crack me up dude....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 12, 2015, 10:05:32 AM
Do you honestly believe you are a better person because you have slightly better skill with the English language?
There are many things that make me a better person than you; do you want a list?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
There are many things that make me a better person than you; do you want a list?
Sure, I think this could be very entertaining...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 12, 2015, 02:53:41 PM
Sure, I think this could be very entertaining...
Do you want me to list just the stuff about me caring more for my fellow man or do you want me to also include personal attributes like smarter, better educated, better looking, nice hair, bigger dick, etc.? :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2015, 03:29:09 PM
Do you want me to list just the stuff about me caring more for my fellow man or do you want me to also include personal attributes like smarter, better educated, better looking, nice hair, bigger dick, etc.? :biggrin:
You are a legend in your own mind aren't you?
Quote from: me on November 12, 2015, 03:35:48 PM
You are a legend in your own mind aren't you?
Irony alert!
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2015, 03:29:09 PM
Do you want me to list just the stuff about me caring more for my fellow man or do you want me to also include personal attributes like smarter, better educated, better looking, nice hair, bigger dick, etc.? :biggrin:
:lol: Thank you Exterminator! :wave: for making me laugh out loud. First time all day long.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 12, 2015, 03:29:09 PM
Do you want me to list just the stuff about me caring more for my fellow man or do you want me to also include personal attributes like smarter, better educated, better looking, nice hair, bigger dick, etc.? :biggrin:
Well you got one of them right! You ARE a bigger dick than I am!!
(rimshot)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 12, 2015, 04:04:22 PM
Well you got one of them right! You ARE a bigger dick than I am!!
(rimshot)
Am and have. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 09:43:27 AM
Am and have. :yes:
I'm not REAL sure how you could know that without being some sort of pervert, but....if the shoe fits.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2015, 09:44:54 AM
I'm not REAL sure how you could know that without being some sort of pervert, but....if the shoe fits.
Just a guess based on statistics, probability and your attitude. :razz:
The funniest part about this whole thing is that while our forum neocons are busy fawning all over their leading candidates, their own party recognizes them for the jokes they are and is trying to figure out how to get rid of them! (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html)
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 09:55:57 AM
The funniest part about this whole thing is that while our forum neocons are busy fawning all over their leading candidates, their own party recognizes them for the jokes they are and is trying to figure out how to get rid of them! (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html)
I would like to know "who" our "own" party IS? I think it is the same folks who gave us John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Jeb Bush. The guys who CAN'T win an election. My opinion is this so-called "establishment republicans" is actually the Liberal Media.
If you look at the polls, TRUMP is kicking everybody's ass........and the "establishment" is scared? They are the ones who keep saying Jeb Bush is going to start moving up in the polls but yet he is barely getting 1%.
That is why I think, we (conservative America) actually stands a chance, because when it get right down to it, people will vote who THEY want....and it seems like they want anybody, but who the media and the "establishment" want.
As I think about it the "establishment" gave us George W Bush too, except it backfired on them and we won......
Reagan was the last one to buck the establishment, and he got us rolling..........
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2015, 10:02:48 AM
I would like to know "who" our "own" party IS?
The people with the money who really run this country. It's adorable that you think you matter.
QuoteIf you look at the polls, TRUMP is kicking everybody's ass...
Oh, hell yes...and I hope he wins! I plan to vote in the Republican primary just so that I can try to help make that happen!
QuoteReagan was the last one to buck the establishment, and he got us rolling...
Yeah, rolling on the floor laughing our asses off!
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 10:11:57 AM
The people with the money who really run this country. It's adorable that you think you matter.
It this is true, then THEY are the liberal establishment, in sheeps clothing........because LOOK at the mess we are in, since 2006 (when those sheep took over)
It is all plain and simple, really.
AND, I hope and pray you DO vote for Trump.....because I will laugh my f'ing ass off, when he gets a hold of the the LIAR hillary in the debates.......he would eat her alive.
Quite possibly be another Reagan sweep.
But, I think this so-called "establishment" will make the Donald go away, very soon. (at least they will try to)
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 10:11:57 AM
Yeah, rolling on the floor laughing our asses off!
"our" you have a mouse in your pocket?
What's surprising to me is Trump is still at the top after all of his antics. Yesterday he said, "How stupid are voters in Iowa?" right to the faces of a roomful of Iowa voters.
Quote from: Locutus on November 13, 2015, 11:02:43 AM
What's surprising to me is Trump is still at the top after all of his antics. Yesterday he said, "How stupid are voters in Iowa?" right to the faces of a roomful of Iowa voters.
Yet, it has become his trademark by not being politically correct and saying what is on his mind........I know what you mean though.....I keep waiting for him to make that BIG goof.....and then be done.
But, as time goes on, he is getting stronger and stronger it seems.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2015, 10:27:22 AM
It this is true, then THEY are the liberal establishment, in sheeps clothing...
Even you can't be this stupid.
Quote.....because LOOK at the mess we are in, since 2006 (when those sheep took over)
Took over what, exactly? And please explain how it's possible that any conservative's financial house of cards could possible have collapsed when everything was so much rosier when the White House and both chambers of Congress were controlled by Republicans?
QuoteAND, I hope and pray you DO vote for Trump.....because I will laugh my f'ing ass off, when he gets a hold of the the LIAR hillary in the debates.......he would eat her alive.
She will wear him like a cheap, Trump-branded, Mexican suit.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2015, 10:35:58 AM
"our" you have a mouse in your pocket?
The VAST majority of intelligent, educated American patriots! :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on November 13, 2015, 11:02:43 AM
What's surprising to me is Trump is still at the top after all of his antics. Yesterday he said, "How stupid are voters in Iowa?" right to the faces of a roomful of Iowa voters.
They're conservatives, what do you expect?
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 01:30:32 PM
The VAST majority of intelligent, educated American patriots! :biggrin:
You live in such a sheltered world..... :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 01:30:32 PM
The VAST majority of intelligent, educated American patriots! :biggrin:
:yes: :biggrin:
:4th3:
(http://www.planet-science.com/umbraco/ImageGen.ashx?image=/media/101255/puking!.jpg&width=600&constrain=true)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2015, 01:47:03 PM
You live in such a sheltered world..... :yes:
I live in the real world, not one with an invisible man living in the sky.
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 02:22:49 PM
I live in the real world, not one with an invisible man living in the sky.
Speaking of invisible man living in the sky, I see there at the bottom where Freedom_knight is coming up on the birthday calendar. Remember that nut job?
;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2015, 02:21:33 PM
(http://www.planet-science.com/umbraco/ImageGen.ashx?image=/media/101255/puking!.jpg&width=600&constrain=true)
Is that guy :puke: or looking for the Ty-D-Bol Man?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UkZcpBWalDk/Ui3kuZdRmrI/AAAAAAAAVgE/-o1BMA1SW4Y/s1600/ty-d-bol.jpg)
:biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 02:22:49 PM
I live in the real world, not one with an invisible man living in the sky.
Invisible?
Quote from: Locutus on November 13, 2015, 02:35:12 PM
Speaking of invisible man living in the sky, I see there at the bottom where Freedom_knight is coming up on the birthday calendar. Remember that nut job?
;D
Where do you see that? Yeah, we've had plenty!
Quote from: Locutus on November 13, 2015, 02:44:22 PM
Is that guy :puke: or looking for the Ty-D-Bol Man?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UkZcpBWalDk/Ui3kuZdRmrI/AAAAAAAAVgE/-o1BMA1SW4Y/s1600/ty-d-bol.jpg)
:biggrin:
:biggrin:
I remember that little dude!
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 02:46:11 PM
Where do you see that? Yeah, we've had plenty!
It's close to the bottom on the main forum index page below the "most recent posts." It says "upcoming calendar" and his name is on there. ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2015, 02:46:24 PM
:biggrin:
I remember that little dude!
Yep. Unfortunately, he was :reap: HARVESTED :reap: back in 2010.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Resin
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 01:30:32 PM
The VAST majority of intelligent, educated American patriots! :biggrin:
This is the "intelligent, educated americans you are talking about....seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Zmji36q8E4o (https://www.youtube.com/embed/Zmji36q8E4o)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on November 13, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
This is the "intelligent, educated americans you are talking about....seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/Zmji36q8E4o (https://www.youtube.com/embed/Zmji36q8E4o)
That video clearly says that she wants to go to college but doesn't know how to pay for it, ergo, not educated. :rolleyes:
She did, however, correctly conjugate all of her verbs!
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 09:55:57 AM
The funniest part about this whole thing is that while our forum neocons are busy fawning all over their leading candidates, their own party recognizes them for the jokes they are and is trying to figure out how to get rid of them! (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html)
Romney still says, "No!"
Fresh off a new Washington Post report that GOP establishment leaders are calling on Romney, who has run and lost twice before, to reconsider his decision to stay out of the 2016 race, associates of the 2012 Republican presidential nominee tell CNN there are a lot of "in bound" calls but that there are "no signs" he's changed his mind.
One friend of Romney's said there were some calls to Romney confidant Beth Meyers and others in his circle asking him to consider being a lifeline to the Republican Party and its chaotic primary fight.http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/politics/mitt-romney-2016-still-not-running/index.html
^^ You know the party is in deep shit when they're desperate to run a two time loser to save them from themselves. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on November 13, 2015, 03:44:23 PM
She did, however, correctly conjugate all of her verbs!
:finger2:
Rick Perry
Scott Walker
Bobby Jindal
:yes: ;D
Quote from: Locutus on November 17, 2015, 06:23:25 PM
Rick Perry
Scott Walker
Bobby Jindal
:yes: ;D
https://www.youtube.com/v/VsnXeQDqOOg
(CNN)It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see there is something very wrong with this picture.
In a series of social media messages posted Tuesday, Ben Carson's campaign used a U.S. map that has problems with the New England states, appearing to cut out, misshape or misposition Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont and Rhode Island.
The mess of a map, which had been posted to the campaign's Facebook page, was deleted overnight. On Wednesday, the campaign put up a fixed map accurately picturing the states.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/politics/ben-carson-map-new-england-missing/
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151118103332-ben-carson-photo-1-exlarge-169.jpg)
These Republican clowns are funny if nothing else. ;D
JEEZUS!!! I was counting Kasich as among the most sane, and had previously thought he was someone I could vote for. That is up until now.
~~~~~~~
As part of a broad national security plan to defeat ISIS, Republican Presidential candidate John Kasich proposed creating a new government agency to push Judeo-Christian values around the world.
The new agency, which he hasn't yet named, would promote a Jewish- and Christian-based belief system to four regions of the world: China, Iran, Russia and the Middle East.
"We need to beam messages around the world" about the freedoms Americans enjoy, Kasich said in an interview with NBC News Tuesday. "It means freedom, it means opportunity, it means respect for women, it means freedom to gather, it means so many things.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/kasich-proposes-new-government-agency-promote-judeo-christian-values-n465101
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 18, 2015, 08:34:29 PM
JEEZUS!!! I was counting Kasich as among the most sane, and had previously thought he was someone I could vote for. That is up until now.
~~~~~~~
As part of a broad national security plan to defeat ISIS, Republican Presidential candidate John Kasich proposed creating a new government agency to push Judeo-Christian values around the world.
The new agency, which he hasn't yet named, would promote a Jewish- and Christian-based belief system to four regions of the world: China, Iran, Russia and the Middle East.
"We need to beam messages around the world" about the freedoms Americans enjoy, Kasich said in an interview with NBC News Tuesday. "It means freedom, it means opportunity, it means respect for women, it means freedom to gather, it means so many things.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/kasich-proposes-new-government-agency-promote-judeo-christian-values-n465101
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on November 18, 2015, 08:34:29 PM
JEEZUS!!! I was counting Kasich as among the most sane, and had previously thought he was someone I could vote for. That is up until now.
~~~~~~~
As part of a broad national security plan to defeat ISIS, Republican Presidential candidate John Kasich proposed creating a new government agency to push Judeo-Christian values around the world.
The new agency, which he hasn't yet named, would promote a Jewish- and Christian-based belief system to four regions of the world: China, Iran, Russia and the Middle East.
"We need to beam messages around the world" about the freedoms Americans enjoy, Kasich said in an interview with NBC News Tuesday. "It means freedom, it means opportunity, it means respect for women, it means freedom to gather, it means so many things.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/kasich-proposes-new-government-agency-promote-judeo-christian-values-n465101
:rolleyes:
Well look at that. Guess I wasn't "overstating" after all eh? 💥
Quote from: Locutus on November 18, 2015, 08:34:29 PM
JEEZUS!!! I was counting Kasich as among the most sane, and had previously thought he was someone I could vote for. That is up until now.
~~~~~~~
As part of a broad national security plan to defeat ISIS, Republican Presidential candidate John Kasich proposed creating a new government agency to push Judeo-Christian values around the world.
The new agency, which he hasn't yet named, would promote a Jewish- and Christian-based belief system to four regions of the world: China, Iran, Russia and the Middle East.
"We need to beam messages around the world" about the freedoms Americans enjoy, Kasich said in an interview with NBC News Tuesday. "It means freedom, it means opportunity, it means respect for women, it means freedom to gather, it means so many things.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/kasich-proposes-new-government-agency-promote-judeo-christian-values-n465101
:rolleyes:
Wow. Unbelievable. "It means respect for women". What planet is he on?
Looks like:
Carly Fiorina
Chris Christie
;D
So who's going to drop out next? Carson, Bush, and Kasich? In that order?
I'd wager Carson is next. How much you wanna' bet? :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on February 10, 2016, 09:36:33 PM
I'd wager Carson is next. How much you wanna' bet? :biggrin:
Considering that's who I have next, it wouldn't be much of a bet now, would it? ;) :razz:
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 10, 2016, 07:48:59 PM
So who's going to drop out next? Carson, Bush, and Kasich? In that order?
That sounds about right...
Carson is too much of an egotist to quit. Bush still has too much money behind him. Kasich got a HUGE boost in New Hampshire, but he invested so much time and money there that he can't keep up that pace in the coming primaries.
I predict the next quitter will be Jim Gilmore. Yeah, I know, right? What a shocker!
Quote from: Bo D on February 11, 2016, 09:04:06 AM
Carson is too much of an egotist to quit. Bush still has too much money behind him. Kasich got a HUGE boost in New Hampshire, but he invested so much time and money there that he can't keep up that pace in the coming primaries.
I predict the next quitter will be Jim Gilmore. Yeah, I know, right? What a shocker!
NOOOOO! NOT JIM!!!! :spooked:
Funny thing is, I didn't even know he was on the ticket until I was watching the NH primary returns Tuesday night.....
I still think Carson will drop next....then it is going to get interesting over this next one at SC. I think that is when the blood bath starts.
Anyone else, besides me, think that the Democratic debates are on a far more intellectual level than those of the Republicans? ;D
Quote from: Locutus on February 11, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
Anyone else, besides me, think that the Democratic debates are on a far more intellectual level than those of the Republicans? ;D
:yes: And more civil. I don't feel like I'm losing brain cells watching this!
Quote from: Locutus on February 11, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
Anyone else, besides me, think that the Democratic debates are on a far more intellectual level than those of the Republicans? ;D
and WAAAAY more boring? Yeah, nobody is watching them.......cuz nobody cares. ;D
Talk about softball questions........pfft
Quote from: Locutus on February 11, 2016, 10:41:33 PM
Anyone else, besides me, think that the Democratic debates are on a far more intellectual level than those of the Republicans? ;D
Well, duh! Look at their respective constituents. :wink:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 12, 2016, 07:30:43 AM
and WAAAAY more boring?
Read: "I have no idea what they're talking about."
Quote from: Exterminator on February 12, 2016, 10:10:18 AM
Read: "I have no idea what they're talking about."
It's really sad that's the mentality.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 12, 2016, 10:10:18 AM
Read: "I have no idea what they're talking about."
It is must political blah, blah, blah........I HAVE listened to them. Hillary is full of shit.......Bernie is making promises he cannot ever keep.
They rely on scare tactics to entice the stupid to vote for them.....same as always.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 12, 2016, 01:23:50 PM
They rely on scare tactics to entice the stupid to vote for them.....same as always.
:rotfl:
That's especially rich coming from you. :big grin:
Quote from: Locutus on February 12, 2016, 03:01:44 PM
That's especially rich coming from you. :big grin:
No doubt! Wow! :eek:
Quote from: Locutus on February 12, 2016, 03:01:44 PM
:rotfl:
That's especially rich coming from you. :big grin:
whatever.......it is true. and deep inside you KNOW I am right. You aren't one of the stupid ones.....so YOU KNOW BETTER.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 12, 2016, 03:42:22 PM
whatever.......it is true. and deep inside you KNOW I am right. You aren't one of the stupid ones.....so YOU KNOW BETTER.
The entire right's platform is based on fear-mongering.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 12, 2016, 03:45:01 PM
The entire right's platform is based on fear-mongering.
So is the left.....claiming that the GOP is going to destroy food safety, clean air, clean water, the Department of Education....waging war on women, hate all minorities...hate poor people.....hate gays.....blah, blah, blah....THAT is the liberal platform......FEAR MONGERING.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 12, 2016, 04:21:08 PM
So is the left.....claiming that the GOP is going to destroy food safety, clean air, clean water, the Department of Education....waging war on women, hate all minorities...hate poor people.....hate gays.....blah, blah, blah....THAT is the liberal platform......FEAR MONGERING.
I know a good idea. We will put Governor Snyder of Michigan over the water department in Anderson. :yes: :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :waaa: :groan:
Jeb Bush
No more Bushes! :no:
Holy hell!
Trump is no different than any other politician; except he has no political experience to carry around.
His popularity is a clear validation of the fact our government and big business are one and the same today. For one purpose and one purpose only; PROFIT on the backs of the lower class. . . :mad:
:haha: :haha: Even Jeb's mother told him at the start. Honey, they have had enough Bushes. :haha: :haha: :music1: The party is over. :music1: :haha: :haha:
Quote from: The Troll on February 21, 2016, 11:45:04 AM
:haha: :haha: Even Jeb's mother told him at the start. Honey, they have had enough Bushes. :haha: :haha: :music1: The party is over. :music1: :haha: :haha:
Yeah but I don't think he's done with his presidential aspirations. Unfortunately, I think we'll be seeing him again down the road.
Quote from: Locutus on February 21, 2016, 12:45:42 PM
Yeah but I don't think he's done with his presidential aspirations. Unfortunately, I think we'll be seeing him again down the road.
I don't know, but you can't turn a pigs ear into a silk purse or a whore into a housewife. :wink: :trustme: :hide:
Quote from: The Troll on February 21, 2016, 03:22:26 PM
I don't know, but you can't turn a pigs ear into a silk purse or a whore into a housewife. :wink: :trustme: :hide:
:rotfl:
https://www.youtube.com/v/drWh6vBa45k
Just a bullsh!t hit piece. :yes: You guys accuse republicans of being "afraid".... :razz: :rolleyes:
Tell me, how is that Obama was/is MORE experienced to be POTUS than Trump?
I don't buy any of this crap that he is less qualified than ANY other candidate....
I say he is MORE qualified than ANY other candidate.....easily. Hands down!
A great POTUS gets smart people around him.....then makes decisions. That is what Trump has been doing his whole life.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 12:14:47 PM
I say he is MORE qualified than ANY other candidate.....easily. Hands down!
Of course you would say that because you are exactly the type of person to whom he panders.
This pretty much sums up why Trump's popularity is driving sane people crazy.......
(http://assets.amuniversal.com/e510d1e0a6b201333756005056a9545d)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2016, 12:41:31 PM
Of course you would say that because you are exactly the type of person to whom he panders.
Of course that is what you ALWAYS say, or a similar answer....you still, for some reason, avoid my questions....
Tell me, how is that Obama was/is MORE experienced to be POTUS than Trump?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 01:40:38 PM
Of course that is what you ALWAYS say, or a similar answer...
Because it's true. Trump's supporters are largely aging, uneducated, rural white voters...you fall squarely into that category.
QuoteTell me, how is that Obama was/is MORE experienced to be POTUS than Trump?
That question has been answered on this forum a thousand times. :rolleyes:
I really hate to say this, but Trump is the better than Cruz or Rubio. :puke: But that is not saying very much for the Republican candidates. :puke:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 12:14:47 PM
I don't buy any of this crap that he is less qualified than ANY other candidate....
I say he is MORE qualified than ANY other candidate.....easily. Hands down!
He's absolutely
not in any way at all more qualified for POTUS than Hillary Clinton.
If you think he is, I want some of what you're smoking.
Quote from: Locutus on February 22, 2016, 02:37:15 PM
If you think he is, I want some of what you're smoking.
I don't; it's clearly paraquat! :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on February 22, 2016, 02:37:15 PM
He's absolutely not in any way at all more qualified for POTUS than Hillary Clinton.
Just because she was a Senator and 'appointed' to Sec of State.....doesn't mean she is qualified. She may very well go down as the worst SOS in history.
What has she accomplished as a Senator? The Middle East is imploding.....ISIS is rampart. She has done a bang up job hasn't she.
Does her being on the brink of being indicted by the FBI make her more qualified?
Trump is twice the leader than Hillary EVER thought about being. I would LOVE to see the polls on our military, who they trust the most.
Which one has created more jobs in their life time?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 03:36:25 PM
Trump is twice the leader than Hillary EVER thought about being.
Which one has created more jobs in their life time?
Which one has declared bankruptcy more times? :biggrin:
Quote from: Bo D on February 22, 2016, 03:58:55 PM
Which one has declared bankruptcy more times? :biggrin:
THAT isn't a crime. Which one has/is being investigated by the FBI for criminal wrong-doings? :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
THAT isn't a crime.
Maybe not, but it sure reveals a lot about his morality and decency. Just ask the people out of work in Atlantic City.
Quote from: Bo D on February 22, 2016, 04:14:17 PM
Maybe not, but it sure reveals a lot about his morality and decency. Just ask the people out of work in Atlantic City.
He also managed to save many jobs by going ch 11, and restructured his deal and got it back to a profitable business.
If you are really interested in his morality and decency....google it. He has done many, many wonderful things for people. He is a very charitable guy.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 04:53:07 PM
He also managed to save many jobs by going ch 11, and restructured his deal and got it back to a profitable business.
Hank, he did it FOUR TIMES! Tell us how many jobs he saved! How profitable are they now?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2016, 03:09:49 PM
I don't; it's clearly paraquat! :biggrin:
:food24: :rotfl:
https://www.youtube.com/v/l5_eoB7v5R8
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 03:36:25 PM
Just because she was a Senator and 'appointed' to Sec of State.....doesn't mean she is qualified. She may very well go down as the worst SOS in history.
What has she accomplished as a Senator? The Middle East is imploding.....ISIS is rampart. She has done a bang up job hasn't she.
Does her being on the brink of being indicted by the FBI make her more qualified?
Trump is twice the leader than Hillary EVER thought about being. I would LOVE to see the polls on our military, who they trust the most.
Which one has created more jobs in their life time?
Give me some of what you're smoking. I understand that you don't like her, nor will your personal biases ever allow you to like her, but to say that Trump is more qualified to be POTUS than she is just shows you're impervious to reality.
:dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2016, 03:09:49 PM
I don't; it's clearly paraquat! :biggrin:
:rotfl: :yes:
I simply can't believe some of the shit he posts. I really can't. :dizzy2:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
THAT isn't a crime.
Is it moral; is it right? Is it ok to keep writing off the debts you rack up? I can maybe see it once, when you're young but to use it as your escape route for your bad decisions. Are you saying you think that's ok?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2016, 10:29:10 PM
Is it moral; is it right? Is it ok to keep writing off the debts you rack up? I can maybe see it once, when you're young but to use it as your escape route for your bad decisions. Are you saying you think that's ok?
I think that CH 11, which is what Trump filed for four times, is a good thing. It doesn't mean he can write off his debts that he racks up...It means that he restructured the business plan and the finances in order to keep it from being liquidated.
When most people hear the term bankruptcy, it sounds as if it means that people are getting screwed........but in many cases, such as the four times Trump filed, it always meant that a Chapter 11 reorganization and it is more of a "sound business decision" than a "poor business decision".
I have read that the gaming industry is a tough business to run, and has many challenges to it. Trump has managed to have much success in this area. Overall, It's better than the business shutting down completely...which is something that he has managed to do...with at least 3 out those 4 business.
You ask me if I think it is ok? It depends on each situation......but I think the CH 11 is usually a good thing.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
When most people hear the term bankruptcy, it sounds as if it means that people are getting screwed...
That's exactly what it means.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2016, 09:08:56 AM
That's exactly what it means.
No, not necessarily, CH 11 means that people are NOT going to get screwed....they are going to get their money, not when they planned on, but still are going to get paid.
So, it IS a good business move, sometimes.
Everybody, just listens to the drive by media, shooting off at the mouth.....they hear Trump/Bankrupt, and it means he is a screw-up.
and you guys accuse us for "parroting"....it works both ways fellas. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 12:08:12 PM
No, not necessarily, CH 11 means that people are NOT going to get screwed....they are going to get their money, not when they planned on, but still are going to get paid.
In Trump's 2009 bankruptcy alone, creditors lost over $1 billion and more than 1,100 people lost their jobs.
Quote..they hear Trump/Bankrupt, and it means he is a screw-up.
Because it's true.
Since you keep yammering on about what a great businessman Trump is, let's examine that a little more closely; shall we?
Trump took his casino business public in 1995 at $10.00 per share. For the next nine years up until he was forced into bankruptcy by his creditors, he held the majority of the voting shares and served as the chairman of the board. During that time, his company lost over $647 million and his investors' shares dwindled until they were worth less than $1.00 each. In contrast, during that same time, investors in Harrah's casinos doubled their money and investors in MGM and Starwood quadrupled theirs. The only person who made money off of the venture was Trump himself; he became even wealthier while everyone around him was losing their asses. You might call that shrewd business; most other people call it fraud.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2016, 12:30:21 PM
In Trump's 2009 bankruptcy alone, creditors lost over $1 billion and more than 1,100 people lost their jobs.
First of all, those creditors took the risk.......and those 1,100 jobs people lost, where jobs, HE CREATED.....this time they lost. After several HUNDRED business deals, four times he has had to use CH11.....and because of Trump and his great dealings, he now employs OVER 22,000 people!! and growing.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 01:09:32 PM
First of all, those creditors took the risk...
So that's how it works; huh? When someone's mortgage gets foreclosed on, it's the bank's fault because they took the risk? Or when someone writes off medical bills in bankruptcy, the doctors and hospitals took the risk? Does this awesome moral compass of yours come from your religion?
Quote....and those 1,100 jobs people lost, where jobs, HE CREATED...
Maybe he did but then he filled those jobs with foreign workers for whom he applied for H-2B visas. (http://fortune.com/2015/08/03/donald-trump-foreign-workers-visas/) Way to make America great! :rolleyes:
Wow!!!! :rolleyes: "they are going to get their money, not when they planned on, but still are going to get paid."
Not what they planned on indeed. Maybe a few pennies on the dollar. And this is OK with you?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2016, 01:24:29 PM
So that's how it works; huh? When someone's mortgage gets foreclosed on, it's the bank's fault because they took the risk? Or when someone writes off medical bills in bankruptcy, the doctors and hospitals took the risk? Does this awesome moral compass of yours come from your religion?
I'm not talking about personal bankruptcy....and you know it. I didn't make the law either. It is there for a reason, or we wouldn't have it. Let's not get off of the subject, that being you guys think Trump is a horrible person, because he utilized the law to restructure a deal that went south for many reasons. Out of the several hundred deals he made....he had four that went CH11....and JUST BECAUSE it is Trump, it makes front page news...despite the 22,000 plus jobs he DID create and the several billions of dollars he generated for other business partners.
You are good at turning the table and making this an argument over something entirely different.
Quote from: Bo D on February 23, 2016, 01:40:49 PM
Wow!!!! :rolleyes: "they are going to get their money, not when they planned on, but still are going to get paid."
Not what they planned on indeed. Maybe a few pennies on the dollar. And this is OK with you?
People take risks all the time in the building industry and the bank industry.......I'm not OK with it, but that is the way it is. I bet the majority of those who lost, would STILL do business with Trump, if they had the chance. Because he wins, a hell of lot more than he loses.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 02:36:01 PM
Let's not get off of the subject, that being you guys think Trump is a horrible person, because he utilized the law to restructure a deal that went south for many reasons.
He used the law to make himself rich at the expense of others. That makes him a horrible person. Very telling that you defend this as ethical.
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Congratulations on passing the 10,000th post Ex. ;D
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Quote from: Locutus on February 23, 2016, 02:43:20 PM
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Congratulations on passing the 10,000th post Ex. ;D
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Ha! I hadn't even noticed! Thank you! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2016, 02:39:42 PM
He used the law to make himself rich at the expense of others. That makes him a horrible person. Very telling that you defend this as ethical.
You want to get into ethics? Let's talk Hillary then.... ;)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 03:11:53 PM
You want to get into ethics? Let's talk Hillary then.... ;)
I can't get over the fact that you think bankruptcy is OK. I have seen many cases where people use it to get out of debt that was their own fault. Disgusting!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 03:11:53 PM
You want to get into ethics? Let's talk Hillary then.... ;)
I'm not defending Hillary. I wish we had better candidates across the board but we don't and as it stands today, she is the most experienced and best qualified person running for the job.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2016, 03:31:12 PM
I'm not defending Hillary. I wish we had better candidates across the board but we don't and as it stands today, she is the most experienced and best qualified person running for the job.
YES!! Yet his biases won't let him see that. She's
far more qualified that Trump could ever hope to be.
Quote from: Bo D on February 23, 2016, 03:29:46 PM
I can't get over the fact that you think bankruptcy is OK. I have seen many cases where people use it to get out of debt that was their own fault. Disgusting!
All I am saying is, that is a law of the land. We can argue about several laws, if they are fair or not.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 04:14:28 PM
All I am saying is, that is a law of the land.
So is abortion. How selective are you about the law?
Quote from: Locutus on February 23, 2016, 03:33:26 PM
YES!! Yet his biases won't let him see that. She's far more qualified that Trump could ever hope to be.
No BIAS at all. I think she is a lying crook. I do not like her demeanor. I don't think she is trustworthy....and neither do most the majority of Americans, according to most pollls. I think she was a miserable sec of state. What accomplishments has she done during her political tenure? Why is it you think she is qualified?
And I will argue all day long about Trump being extremely more qualified to LEAD, than Hillary. It isn't even close.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
I think she is a lying crook.
I think most people who declare bankruptcy are lying crooks.
Quote from: Bo D on February 23, 2016, 04:18:16 PM
So is abortion. How selective are you about the law?
I don't like it, but it is the law. What are you trying to get at?
I'm not saying I think bankruptcy is the best thing ever, but it is important enough to be a law for several years now.
Quote from: Bo D on February 23, 2016, 04:38:09 PM
I think most people who declare bankruptcy are lying crooks.
Are you trying to convince me of something? I know you are not going to vote Trump. I am ok with that. I will vote for him, because I think he is the best person out there that can fix our economy, create jobs, secure our military, fix immigration problem, handle ISIS, create a better healthcare system, fix our education system.....most importantly, create a better country for my kids to live in.
I have watched plenty of programs on all of the candidates.....I am a political junkie this season. I'm not a big fan of all of the rest of the candidates....Trump is the one that isn't bought and paid for by BIG CORPS, BANKS, PHARMACEUTICALS....He can and will do what is best for America.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
I don't think she is trustworthy....and neither do most the majority of Americans, according to most pollls.
Are these the same polls you used to predict that Romney was going to win the last election? :wink: :biggrin:
Ouch!
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on February 23, 2016, 04:59:00 PM
Are these the same polls you used to predict that Romney was going to win the last election? :wink: :biggrin:
:biggrin:
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 23, 2016, 08:21:58 PM
:biggrin:
He absolutely was resolute in his belief in the polls to that effect. :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
No BIAS at all. I think she is a lying crook. I do not like her demeanor. I don't think she is trustworthy....and neither do most the majority of Americans, according to most pollls. I think she was a miserable sec of state. What accomplishments has she done during her political tenure? Why is it you think she is qualified?
And I will argue all day long about Trump being extremely more qualified to LEAD, than Hillary. It isn't even close.
He's a rabble-rouser! Have you actually ever stopped to listen to what Trump says in front of those crowds? He talks nonstop about how important he is, how smart he is, how tough he is, how much money he has (blah, blah, blah). He has no dignity, no class. He appeals to the baser instincts of the crowds, and because he is very rich and knows no shame, gets away with it.
Do those crowds really believe if he does become POTUS he will
Quote from: Locutus on February 23, 2016, 04:59:00 PM
Are these the same polls you used to predict that Romney was going to win the last election? :wink: :biggrin:
Ha!
http://www.reasonstovotetrump.com/ (http://www.reasonstovotetrump.com/)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 24, 2016, 08:20:29 AM
http://www.reasonstovotetrump.com/ (http://www.reasonstovotetrump.com/)
Seriously, you posted this from a blogger, by a nobody named, Gareth Arnoult? :rolleyes:
Okay, :yes:
How about this then...
7 Undeniable Reasons You CAN NOT Vote Hillary... (http://louderwithcrowder.com/7-undeniable-reasons-you-can-not-vote-hillary-clinton/#.Vs2_-OYkR2A)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 09:38:16 AM
Seriously, you posted this from a blogger, by a nobody named, Gareth Arnoult? :rolleyes:
I posted it because it's funny. It's called a sense of humor...look into getting one. :rolleyes:
Oh, yeah...Trump is still a douchebag.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 24, 2016, 09:40:50 AM
I posted it because it's funny. It's called a sense of humor...look into getting one. :rolleyes:
Oh, yeah...Trump is still a douchebag.
Yeah that was just TOO freakin funny, I hurt my ribs I was laughing so hard... :rolleyes:
Trump is the next POTUS....like it or not.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 09:49:20 AM
Trump is the next POTUS....like it or not.
That's what you said about Romney. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 23, 2016, 07:11:22 PM
WTF is wrong with this country that we will not take proper care of the men and women that put their lives on the line for this nation each and every day?!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Another reason to take an honest look at Trump....I haven't seen anybody else go into the detail as Trump has....
The Goals Of Donald J. Trump's Veterans Plan
The current state of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is absolutely unacceptable. Over 300,000 veterans died waiting for care. Corruption and incompetence were excused. Politicians in Washington have done too little too slowly to fix it. This situation can never happen again, and when Donald J. Trump is president, it will be fixed – fast.
The guiding principle of the Trump plan is ensuring veterans have convenient access to the best quality care. To further this principle, the Trump plan will decrease wait times, improve healthcare outcomes, and facilitate a seamless transition from service into civilian life.
The Trump Plan Will:
Ensure our veterans get the care they need wherever and whenever they need it. No more long drives. No more waiting for backlogs. No more excessive red tape. Just the care and support they earned with their service to our country.
Support the whole veteran, not just their physical health care, but also by addressing their invisible wounds, investing in our service members' post-active duty success, transforming the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members, and better meeting the needs of our female veterans.
Make the VA great again by firing the corrupt and incompetent VA executives who let our veterans down, by modernizing the VA, and by empowering the doctors and nurses to ensure our veterans receive the best care available in a timely manner.
The Trump Plan Gives Veterans The Freedom To Choose And Forces The VA To Compete For Their Dollars
Politicians in Washington have tried to fix the VA by holding hearings and blindly throwing money at the problem. None of it has worked. In fact, wait times were 50% higher this summer than they were a year ago. That's because the VA lacks the right leadership and management. It's time we stop trusting Washington politicians to fix the problems and empower our veterans to vote with their feet.
Under a Trump Administration, all veterans eligible for VA health care can bring their veteran's ID card to any doctor or care facility that accepts Medicare to get the care they need immediately. Our veterans have earned the freedom to choose better or more convenient care from the doctor and facility of their choice. The power to choose will stop the wait time backlogs and force the VA to improve and compete if the department wants to keep receiving veterans' healthcare dollars. The VA will become more responsive to veterans, develop more efficient systems, and improve the quality of care because it will have no other choice.
The Trump Plan Treats The Whole Veteran
We must care for the whole veteran, not just their physical health. We must recognize that today's veterans have very different needs than those of the Greatest Generation.
The Trump Plan Will:
Increase funding for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), traumatic brain injury and suicide prevention services to address our veterans' invisible wounds. Service members are five times more likely to develop depression than civilians. They are almost fifteen times more likely to develop PTSD than civilians. This funding will help provide more and better counseling and care. More funding will also support research on best practices and state of the art treatments to keep our veterans alive, healthy and whole. With these steps, the Trump plan will help the veteran community put the unnecessary stigma surrounding mental health behind them and instead encourage acceptance and treatment in our greater society.
Increase funding for job training and placement services (including incentives for companies hiring veterans), educational support and business loans. All Americans agree that we must do everything we can to help put our service men and women on a path to success as they leave active duty by collaborating with the many successful non-profit organizations that are already helping. Service members have learned valuable skills in the military but many need help understanding how to apply those skills in civilian life. Others know how to apply those skills but need help connecting with good jobs to support their families. Still others have an entrepreneurial spirit and are ready to start creating jobs and growing the economy. The Trump plan will strengthen existing programs or replace them with more effective ones to address these needs and to get our veterans working.
Transform the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members. Today's veterans have very different needs than those of the generations that came before them. The VA must adapt to meet the needs of this generation of younger, more diverse veterans. The Trump plan will expand VA services for female veterans and ensure the VA is providing the right support for this new generation of veterans.
Better support our women veterans. The fact that many VA hospitals don't permanently staff OBGYN doctors shows an utter lack of respect for the growing number female veterans. Under the Trump plan, every VA hospital in the country will be fully equipped with OBGYN and other women's health services. In addition, women veterans can always choose a different OBGYN in their community using their veteran's ID card.
The Trump Plan Will Make The VA Great Again
The VA health care program is a disaster. Some candidates want to get rid of it, but our veterans need the VA to be there for them and their families. That's why the Trump plan will:
Fire the corrupt and incompetent VA executives that let our veterans down. Under a Trump Administration, there will be no job security for VA executives that enabled or overlooked corruption and incompetence. They're fired. New leadership will focus the VA staff on delivering timely, top quality care and other services to our nation's veterans. Under a Trump Administration, exposing and addressing the VA's inefficiencies and shortcomings will be rewarded, not punished.
End waste, fraud and abuse at the VA. The Trump plan will ensure the VA is spending its dollars wisely to provide the greatest impact for veterans and hold administrators accountable for irresponsible spending and abuse. The days of $6.3 million for statues and fountains at VA facilities and $300,000 for a manager to move 140 miles are over. The Trump plan will clean up the VA's finances so the current VA budget provides more and better care than it does now.
Modernize the VA. A VA with 20th century technology cannot serve 21st century service members and their needs. The VA has been promising to modernize for years without real results. The Trump plan will make it happen by accelerating and expanding investments in state of the art technology to deliver best-in-class care quickly and effectively. All veterans should be able to conveniently schedule appointments, communicate with their doctors, and view accurate wait times with the push of a button.
Empower the caregivers to ensure our veterans receive quality care quickly. Caregivers should be able to easily streamline treatment plans across departments and utilize telehealth tools to better serve their patients. As we have seen from the private sector, the potential for new, innovative technology is endless. Abandoning the wasteful and archaic mindset of the public sector will give way to tremendously effective veteran healthcare.
Hire more veterans to care for veterans. The more veterans we have working at the VA, the better the VA will be. They understand the unique challenges facing their community. To increase the number of veterans hired by the VA, this plan will add an additional 5 points to the qualifying scores of veterans applying for VA jobs.
Embed satellite VA clinics in rural and other underserved areas. The Trump Administration will embed satellite VA clinics within hospitals and other care facilities in rural and other underserved areas. This step will ensure veterans have easy access to care and local hospitals and care facilities can handle the influx of patients without backlogs while tapping the specialized knowledge of VA health specialists.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 09:49:20 AM
Trump is the next POTUS....like it or not.
:rotfl:
Didn't you learn your lesson last time?? :big grin:
Quote from: Locutus on February 24, 2016, 12:38:28 PM
:rotfl:
Didn't you learn your lesson last time?? :big grin:
I did. I am getting it right this time..... ;)
Henry's favorite meal... (https://malialitman.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/eating-crow.jpg)
Shocking! (http://www.vox.com/2016/2/24/11105552/trump-supporters-slavery) :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 24, 2016, 01:14:11 PM
Shocking! (http://www.vox.com/2016/2/24/11105552/trump-supporters-slavery) :rolleyes:
Not so shocking when you really think about who is supporting Trump.
Quote from: Bo D on February 24, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Not so shocking when you really think about who is supporting Trump.
Forgot to use my sarcasm font. :biggrin:
Quote from: Bo D on February 24, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Not so shocking when you really think about who is supporting Trump.
I'd be interested in hearing how these people who have been claiming for the past 8 years that their hatred of Obama isn't rooted in racism explain their support of an openly racist candidate.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 24, 2016, 08:20:29 AM
http://www.reasonstovotetrump.com/ (http://www.reasonstovotetrump.com/)
I was expecting something serious, but ended up laughing instead. :smile: Good way to break up a busy work day!
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 24, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
I was expecting something serious, but ended up laughing instead. :smile: Good way to break up a busy work day!
:biggrin:
Quote from: Bo D on February 24, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Not so shocking when you really think about who is supporting Trump.
Yup!
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/t31.0-0/p552x414/12779069_1019088894797264_3049076478662092882_o.png)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 12:29:17 PM
Another reason to take an honest look at Trump....I haven't seen anybody else go into the detail as Trump has....
The Goals Of Donald J. Trump's Veterans Plan
The current state of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is absolutely unacceptable. Over 300,000 veterans died waiting for care. Corruption and incompetence were excused. Politicians in Washington have done too little too slowly to fix it. This situation can never happen again, and when Donald J. Trump is president, it will be fixed – fast.
The guiding principle of the Trump plan is ensuring veterans have convenient access to the best quality care. To further this principle, the Trump plan will decrease wait times, improve healthcare outcomes, and facilitate a seamless transition from service into civilian life.
The Trump Plan Will:
Ensure our veterans get the care they need wherever and whenever they need it. No more long drives. No more waiting for backlogs. No more excessive red tape. Just the care and support they earned with their service to our country.
Support the whole veteran, not just their physical health care, but also by addressing their invisible wounds, investing in our service members' post-active duty success, transforming the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members, and better meeting the needs of our female veterans.
Make the VA great again by firing the corrupt and incompetent VA executives who let our veterans down, by modernizing the VA, and by empowering the doctors and nurses to ensure our veterans receive the best care available in a timely manner.
The Trump Plan Gives Veterans The Freedom To Choose And Forces The VA To Compete For Their Dollars
Politicians in Washington have tried to fix the VA by holding hearings and blindly throwing money at the problem. None of it has worked. In fact, wait times were 50% higher this summer than they were a year ago. That's because the VA lacks the right leadership and management. It's time we stop trusting Washington politicians to fix the problems and empower our veterans to vote with their feet.
Under a Trump Administration, all veterans eligible for VA health care can bring their veteran's ID card to any doctor or care facility that accepts Medicare to get the care they need immediately. Our veterans have earned the freedom to choose better or more convenient care from the doctor and facility of their choice. The power to choose will stop the wait time backlogs and force the VA to improve and compete if the department wants to keep receiving veterans' healthcare dollars. The VA will become more responsive to veterans, develop more efficient systems, and improve the quality of care because it will have no other choice.
The Trump Plan Treats The Whole Veteran
We must care for the whole veteran, not just their physical health. We must recognize that today's veterans have very different needs than those of the Greatest Generation.
The Trump Plan Will:
Increase funding for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), traumatic brain injury and suicide prevention services to address our veterans' invisible wounds. Service members are five times more likely to develop depression than civilians. They are almost fifteen times more likely to develop PTSD than civilians. This funding will help provide more and better counseling and care. More funding will also support research on best practices and state of the art treatments to keep our veterans alive, healthy and whole. With these steps, the Trump plan will help the veteran community put the unnecessary stigma surrounding mental health behind them and instead encourage acceptance and treatment in our greater society.
Increase funding for job training and placement services (including incentives for companies hiring veterans), educational support and business loans. All Americans agree that we must do everything we can to help put our service men and women on a path to success as they leave active duty by collaborating with the many successful non-profit organizations that are already helping. Service members have learned valuable skills in the military but many need help understanding how to apply those skills in civilian life. Others know how to apply those skills but need help connecting with good jobs to support their families. Still others have an entrepreneurial spirit and are ready to start creating jobs and growing the economy. The Trump plan will strengthen existing programs or replace them with more effective ones to address these needs and to get our veterans working.
Transform the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members. Today's veterans have very different needs than those of the generations that came before them. The VA must adapt to meet the needs of this generation of younger, more diverse veterans. The Trump plan will expand VA services for female veterans and ensure the VA is providing the right support for this new generation of veterans.
Better support our women veterans. The fact that many VA hospitals don't permanently staff OBGYN doctors shows an utter lack of respect for the growing number female veterans. Under the Trump plan, every VA hospital in the country will be fully equipped with OBGYN and other women's health services. In addition, women veterans can always choose a different OBGYN in their community using their veteran's ID card.
The Trump Plan Will Make The VA Great Again
The VA health care program is a disaster. Some candidates want to get rid of it, but our veterans need the VA to be there for them and their families. That's why the Trump plan will:
Fire the corrupt and incompetent VA executives that let our veterans down. Under a Trump Administration, there will be no job security for VA executives that enabled or overlooked corruption and incompetence. They're fired. New leadership will focus the VA staff on delivering timely, top quality care and other services to our nation's veterans. Under a Trump Administration, exposing and addressing the VA's inefficiencies and shortcomings will be rewarded, not punished.
End waste, fraud and abuse at the VA. The Trump plan will ensure the VA is spending its dollars wisely to provide the greatest impact for veterans and hold administrators accountable for irresponsible spending and abuse. The days of $6.3 million for statues and fountains at VA facilities and $300,000 for a manager to move 140 miles are over. The Trump plan will clean up the VA's finances so the current VA budget provides more and better care than it does now.
Modernize the VA. A VA with 20th century technology cannot serve 21st century service members and their needs. The VA has been promising to modernize for years without real results. The Trump plan will make it happen by accelerating and expanding investments in state of the art technology to deliver best-in-class care quickly and effectively. All veterans should be able to conveniently schedule appointments, communicate with their doctors, and view accurate wait times with the push of a button.
Empower the caregivers to ensure our veterans receive quality care quickly. Caregivers should be able to easily streamline treatment plans across departments and utilize telehealth tools to better serve their patients. As we have seen from the private sector, the potential for new, innovative technology is endless. Abandoning the wasteful and archaic mindset of the public sector will give way to tremendously effective veteran healthcare.
Hire more veterans to care for veterans. The more veterans we have working at the VA, the better the VA will be. They understand the unique challenges facing their community. To increase the number of veterans hired by the VA, this plan will add an additional 5 points to the qualifying scores of veterans applying for VA jobs.
Embed satellite VA clinics in rural and other underserved areas. The Trump Administration will embed satellite VA clinics within hospitals and other care facilities in rural and other underserved areas. This step will ensure veterans have easy access to care and local hospitals and care facilities can handle the influx of patients without backlogs while tapping the specialized knowledge of VA health specialists.
NONE of this explains how this is going to be accomplished outside of firings. To quote the infamous party of "No" and their lead off statement toward anything representing change over the past 8 years, (Even when it was their own plan); "How is all of this going to be paid for?"
You cannot tell me that changing the resident of the White House is going to automagically change the lethargy and ill-willed members of congress that have become addicted to "NO". And if it did one would have to ask exactly why?
The sad reality is Trump is doing exactly what every single candidate for the office has done for over a century; Tell them what they want to hear and promise them the moon. Then once they get into office and the congress begins its lobbying all that stuff goes right into the trash, and the only things that get done are those items congress wants. Period. Unless executive order is used. And then it becomes payback time and the cycle continues.
Minus a complete blood letting within congress, and solid legislation that imposes term limits upon congress, they will continue to hold the least of society hostage to their "political ideals". Those ideals that have been bought and paid for by the Super Pacs and Corporate America.
The SCOTUS plays a key role in all of this tripe, and that is why the opening is so important to both sides; not the reasoning being put out there to pander to the emotional crowds and drum up support. That is exactly why Corporate America is ruling over the entire population in this nation, and not our government or elected representation.
Trump isn't fooling me. He's just feeding his ego and has absolutely no intention of improving the VA or any other program he actually views as entitlement and social safety nets. He's looking to pad his pockets. . . period.
And I disagree
But then who really gives a sh!t....I hope he gets his chance because there isn't one person out there running can do any better.... That is why I want him to have his chance
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 05:48:12 PM
And I disagree
But then who really gives a sh!t....I hope he gets his chance because there isn't one person out there running can do any better.... That is why I want him to have his chance
I, for one, give a shit. I want the men and women that serve our country and put their lives on the line to be properly cared for when they are injured.
I want the least among us to be able to count upon properly administered social safety nets in their times of need, to prevent homelessness and malnourished children.
I want a government that is by the people, and FOR the people, and not some soulless faceless corporation that evades taxation and flees the nation leaving millions in the lurch.
I want a congress that knows more than how to say no to progress and legislation that improves the quality of life for the average American citizen, and provides the hope and opportunity for a better life to those that aspire toward it.
I want real value for my hard earned tax dollars; a value that means something to an unemployed worker of 30 years, an individual that has fallen down on their luck through no cause of their own.
I want representation within our government from individuals that have valid experience within the working classes they are elected to represent.
I want an America I can be proud of again, instead of a nation enslaved to corporate America.
And that is what Trump is going to do...you want exactly what I want.
Why is it ok when Obama spouted "hope and change" garb.... And didn't come close.
I have listened to several interviews with Trump. The more I listen to him the more I like him.
When I said who gives a shit, l meant that as far as regarding if I am convincing you or the other house democrats.
You are set on your views and I am positively set on my views without reservation.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
And that is what Trump is going to do...you want exactly what I want.
No. He won't. He will exacerbate things for the worse.
I find it very hard to understand how all that "experience" you claimed was imperative to possess in the office of POTUS, has suddenly gone right out the window.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
Why is it ok when Obama spouted "hope and change" garb.... And didn't come close.
- And why was he unable to implement the legislation that would have put this nation onto a path toward restoring hope and change to this nation and its average citizens?
- Please provide us all with a list of campaign promises presidential candidates achieved, with accomplishment percentages. I believe your research will, should you decide to undertake it, serve to recalibrate your expectations surrounding the campaign platforms of presidential candidates.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
I have listened to several interviews with Trump. The more I listen to him the more I like him.
All you are doing is listening then. Research his history, all of it, and you will find an amazingly accurate outline of exactly what he will do if he obtains the office.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
When I said who gives a shit, l meant that as far as regarding if I am convincing you or the other house democrats.
You are set on your views and I am positively set on my views without reservation.
I am not as "set in my views" as your post would infer. The fact is I have voted republican, democratic, and liberal many times within my life-span to date. While it is true I have changed horses many times along the trail of life, I have rarely wavered from the direction my moral compass has always pointed me toward since the moment I drew my first breath in this place. And those times within which I have wavered from my true north, were due to the raging hormones of my youth or other external forces imposing duress upon my decision making process.
My vote has always gone to the lesser of 2 or more evils as arrived at within my decision making process; a process that has improved over the decades I have walked this earth, through education, life experiences, and the mentoring of some fine human beings I have had the pleasure of crossing paths with along the way.
And along that path I have learned it is better to try to enlighten the unenlightened whenever and wherever they are encountered. You may not always be successful, and in fact will fail more than you succeed; but the destruction of ignorance is never a loss, even if the ratio of success is 1 in every 10,000.
For each win you make will automatically multiply itself over time. Those that parent children will pass it along to them, and each person that becomes enlightened will dutifully and faithfully make their own conversions along their own path.
I am not saying you are wrong, for to be wrong you must possess the same resources and knowledge as those who oppose your views; the very same requirements for being correct. And being correct is not an eternal state but a momentary one, for as your knowledge increases so your conclusions will as well.
Trump is bad for the citizens of America and for all this nation has stood for. He is bad for everything but Corporate America. . . And if he is successful in obtaining office, long after I am fertilizer, history will validate that this is correct. Unfortunately, those historians will not be from the United States of America at that time, for a Trump Presidency will result in its destruction.
I got nothing to prove.
As you know I don't take your opinions lightly...but I believe you are wrong on Trump.
I hope he gets the chance to change your view.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 24, 2016, 07:56:17 PM
I find it very hard to understand how all that "experience" you claimed was imperative to possess in the office of POTUS, has suddenly gone right out the window.
That only applies to non-whites.
QuoteI have rarely wavered from the direction my moral compass has always pointed me toward since the moment I drew my first breath in this place.
Yes but you
have a moral compass.
A vote for Trump is a vote for bigotry. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/24/opinions/support-trump-support-bigotry-obeidallah/index.html)
Quote from: Palehorse on February 24, 2016, 07:56:17 PM
I find it very hard to understand how all that "experience" you claimed was imperative to possess in the office of POTUS, has suddenly gone right out the window.
I still stand by that.......and I suggest you look at Trump a little more closely and perhaps actually listen to him speak, and not just the sound bytes that NBC plays.
He is by FAR more qualified as a leader than anyone else in the field. Just look at the excitement he is generating through his campaign. He is blowing the doors off of his competition. Getting people behind your ideas, so they put pressure on congress to PASS those ideas is something, I believe he will be very good at.
His ability to assemble qualified people to be successful is first and foremost. Probably the most important part of the POTUS. Having good people around you to make informed decisions.
He knows how to negotiate. He has done it all his adult life.
Tell me, how is it Hillary is more qualified? Just because she was a senator and SOS, doesn't mean she is automatically qualified. If she was good at those jobs, then I would say YES. But she did nothing as a Senator and was horrible at SOS. so....yeah.
I know, I know...I'm not selling this to you guys....you already hate him and any republican out there.....so, you just vote Hillary and say everything will be the republicans fault when SHE becomes unsuccessful.
Same ol same ol....
That is why Trump is exciting to me. Let's try somebody different. Not another "politician".
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2016, 09:33:55 AM
A vote for Trump is a vote for bigotry. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/24/opinions/support-trump-support-bigotry-obeidallah/index.html)
Not even going to click on this.
This is just more liberal, BS....plain and simple. Talk about the uneducated voters.........THEY are the one's that fall for this propaganda BS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2016, 10:00:01 AM
This is just more liberal, BS....plain and simple.
Not even you are stupid enough to deny that Trump is unabashedly bigoted. It isn't as though we all haven't known you're a bigot for some time though.
QuoteTalk about the uneducated voters.........THEY are the one's that fall for this propaganda BS.
* ones
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2016, 10:29:34 AM
Not even you are stupid enough to deny that Trump is unabashedly bigoted. It isn't as though we all haven't known you're a bigot for some time though.
Just for the record, who is "we"? I love the way you make sure you get your buddies to side up with you on your posts and jokes.
I am no more bigoted than you are. It is just an easy way to try to win an argument. Call people names.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2016, 10:47:44 AM
Just for the record, who is "we"?
Everyone on this forum with an IQ over 100.
QuoteI am no more bigoted than you are.
Riiiiiiiight. :rolleyes:
Just curious, are any of you guys going to watch the debate? Have you watched ANY of the debates? like i said....just curious.
I've watched some of all the debates on both sides except for one Democratic and one Republican debate.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2016, 11:45:40 AM
Just curious, are any of you guys going to watch the debate? Have you watched ANY of the debates? like i said....just curious.
I've been watching them but after the last one, don't see the point any more. It was a ridiculous display that portrayed both Cruz and Trump as adolescents on a playground. I'd have had more respect for them if they had just ripped off their shirts and duked it out.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2016, 12:27:40 PM
I've been watching them but after the last one, don't see the point any more. It was a ridiculous display that portrayed both Cruz and Trump as adolescents on a playground. I'd have had more respect for them if they had just ripped off their shirts and duked it out.
Spot on! They acted downright childish in the debate.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2016, 11:45:40 AM
Just curious, are any of you guys going to watch the debate? Have you watched ANY of the debates? like i said....just curious.
I've been watching them. What a difference between the two parties. One is civil and acting like mature adults and the other one is like watching a bunch of undisciplined spoiled children. Henry, I don't have to tell you which is which, right? :wink:
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 25, 2016, 02:02:12 PM
I've been watching them. What a difference between the two parties. One is civil and acting like mature adults and the other one is like watching a bunch of undisciplined spoiled children. Henry, I don't have to tell you which is which, right? :wink:
I know Abby, that Bernie is such juvenile and HILLARY ...what a spoiled brat!!!! :razz: ;)
I do know that the GOP Debates are kicking ass in the ratings..... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2016, 02:47:23 PM
I do know that the GOP Debates are kicking ass in the ratings..... :yes:
Everyone likes a good comedy show. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Bo D on February 25, 2016, 03:21:09 PM
Everyone likes a good comedy show. :rolleyes:
I don't think it is for the comedic value...I think people are intrigued by Trump. PERIOD.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2016, 04:00:43 PM
I don't think it is for the comedic value...I think people are intrigued by Trump. PERIOD.
Yeah. Like a lot of people watch NASCAR races just to see the wrecks.
Quote from: Bo D on February 25, 2016, 04:12:22 PM
Yeah. Like a lot of people watch NASCAR races just to see the wrecks.
....or ice hockey and roller derby to see the fights. :biggrin: :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2016, 04:00:43 PM
I don't think it is for the comedic value...I think people are intrigued by Trump. PERIOD.
"Sheeple" are being bamboozled by Trump. I mean come on people, snap out of it!
Take a look around your towns, wherever you are. See those empty industrial sites spread throughout your metropolitan areas? Who do you think is responsible for the empty manufacturing sites? Who do you think is responsible for their replacements that are springing up? You know, the ones paying barely over minimum wage salaries, with draconian policies designed to induce turnover in those that aspire to do more, and turn those that don't into mindless robots.
Who do you think is responsible for the flight of manufacturing from this nation?
The answer to all of the above is fairly simple. It is men and women just like Trump. The ones that build golden parachutes into the upper echelons of their organizations and eliminate retirement funds in favor of 401k plans that are as reliable as putting all of your hard earned money onto black at the roulette tables.
Guys like him have made billions on the backs of blue collar workers, and the whole time schemed to create even more revenue by moving their operations to third world countries for 1/32 of the overhead and labor costs.
They didn't get where they are by not being able to "motivate" a crowd and deceive them with great success; as a means to distract them from the covert operational plan they have to dry hump every single worker into poverty. And then enact legislation to eliminate the social safety nets they'll need to keep a roof over their head and something besides road kill in their stomaches.
Trump is not only one of them, he is among the best at it. How do you think he got all his money?
He and those just like him, are directly responsible for the fact many people are now homeless, starving, and working 2 or 3 jobs for 10 bucks an hour in a futile attempt to survive. And our congressional leadership are their facilitators.
A successful Trump campaign will subject this entire nation to exponentially worse conditions than those we've been going through since 2007. And it will be the end of the "grand experiment" as the founders of this nation once called it.
I am astounded at the ignorance that is rampant in this country. :mad:
The sheeple are entertaining Bernie the Socialist and Hillary who is on the brink of being indicted by the FBI.
I am tired of everyone suddenly thinking politicians are the best to run our country and act as if perhaps the best CEO in the world is incapable.
Do I think Trump is without flaws? No. Name me a politician who doesn't.
My stance is simple, Trump has too big of an ego to get elected an fail. What reason would he have to be potus other than to stroke his ego? He believes he can make America great again. He is 69 years old and has already accomplished many incredible tasks.
I will never in a million years vote for Hillary. Bernie cannot make America great.
I don't think Cruz or Rubio are ready . Kasich is not bad. Carson is very interesting but isn't going to make it. Christie was my early favorite but couldn't get the job done.
Trump is the man .... He is getting stronger and gaining more and more support. He has leadership abilities like no one else.
That is the way I feel.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2016, 06:52:49 PM
The sheeple are entertaining Bernie the Socialist and Hillary who is on the brink of being indicted by the FBI.
I am tired of everyone suddenly thinking politicians are the best to run our country and act as if perhaps the best CEO in the world is incapable.
Do I think Trump is without flaws? No. Name me a politician who doesn't.
My stance is simple, Trump has too big of an ego to get elected an fail. What reason would he have to be potus other than to stroke his ego? He believes he can make America great again. He is 69 years old and has already accomplished many incredible tasks.
I will never in a million years vote for Hillary. Bernie cannot make America great.
I don't think Cruz or Rubio are ready . Kasich is not bad. Carson is very interesting but isn't going to make it. Christie was my early favorite but couldn't get the job done.
Trump is the man .... He is getting stronger and gaining more and more support. He has leadership abilities like no one else.
That is the way I feel.
Hey Henry, I'll bet a C Note, $100 that Trump will never be president of the United States. :yes: Want to bet Bird Boy? :haha:
Thanks Republicans for another night of infighting. The only one of those nuts I could possibly vote for is Kasich, and he's not going to make it.
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Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2016, 06:52:49 PM
Trump has too big of an ego to get elected an fail.
And yet, he does with great regularity.
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He has done something right.....he has accumulated about 12 Billion dollars of wealth.
Sounds like more winning than failing...and he is winning the majority of Americans to be our NEXT POTUS....
You just fall for ALL of that propaganda don't ya! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 26, 2016, 08:51:06 AM
He has done something right.....he has accumulated about 12 Billion dollars of wealth.
No one, not even him, puts his wealth that high. Whatever it is...if he got that money by ripping off his investors, that's a good thing?
QuoteYou just fall for ALL of that propaganda don't ya! :yes:
Nope...but you sure do.
He's a douche and a bigot and so is everyone who supports him.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2016, 07:57:32 AM
And yet, he does with great regularity.
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That isn't propaganda. Every word is true!
Plus ... last night he admitted using illegal immigrant labor.
Quote from: Bo D on February 26, 2016, 09:35:18 AM
That isn't propaganda. Every word is true!
Let's face it; it takes a special kind of failure to not make money in the casino business when all of the other casinos around you are prospering. It isn't rocket science as long as the odds favor the house.
HA!!!!!!!!
Donald Trump is slated to appear as a witness in the case charging him and the former Trump University with fraud.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/25/news/companies/donald-trump-witness-fraud-case/ (http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/25/news/companies/donald-trump-witness-fraud-case/)
"My party has gone batshit crazy."
--- Senator Lindsey Graham
;D
Quote from: Locutus on February 26, 2016, 11:05:09 AM
"My party has gone batshit crazy."
--- Senator Lindsey Graham
;D
I didn't watch last night's Republican "debate" because I felt a migraine coming on, but did tune in to
Morning Joe at 6 this morning! Not only did they show the high spots :biggrin: they followed up with a video of Mika and Joe having a private conversation with Hillary. :biggrin: At her best. PERFECT timing!
Quote from: Bo D on February 26, 2016, 10:40:40 AM
HA!!!!!!!!
Donald Trump is slated to appear as a witness in the case charging him and the former Trump University with fraud.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/25/news/companies/donald-trump-witness-fraud-case/ (http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/25/news/companies/donald-trump-witness-fraud-case/)
You mean it's not legal to charge people money for something and then not deliver it? Who knew?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2016, 11:41:51 AM
You mean it's not legal to charge people money for something and then not deliver it? Who knew?
And then declare bankruptcy when he can't deliver on his promises? :eek:
Is that how he plans to run our Government?
Quote from: Bo D on February 26, 2016, 11:58:52 AM
And then declare bankruptcy when he can't deliver on his promises? :eek:
Is that how he plans to run our Government?
Probably.
Geez!! Chris Christie has endorsed Trump. :roll eyes:
He's probably trying to get a head start on securing the VP position. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Locutus on February 26, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
He's probably trying to get a head start on securing the VP position. :icon_twisted:
Or Trump sent him donuts. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2016, 02:13:07 PM
Or Trump sent him donuts. :biggrin:
:yes:
...and a Domino's pizza. ;D
I figure if he loses and old Billery wins they'll be running mates and if he wins and she loses she'll switch parties and, same deal, they'll be running mates. Scary thought... :spooked:
Quote from: me on February 26, 2016, 02:34:00 PM
I figure if he loses and old Billery wins they'll be running mates and if he wins and she loses she'll switch parties and, same deal, they'll be running mates. Scary thought... :spooked:
Who?
Quote from: me on February 26, 2016, 02:34:00 PM
I figure if he loses and old Billery wins they'll be running mates and if he wins and she loses she'll switch parties and, same deal, they'll be running mates. Scary thought... :spooked:
:beers:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on February 26, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
He's probably trying to get a head start on securing the VP position. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: Locutus on February 26, 2016, 01:01:35 PM
Geez!! Chris Christie has endorsed Trump. :roll eyes:
With Trump as POTUS and Christie in whatever position, the thought of those two teamed up is downright scary. :spooked:
So now let's raise the specter the GOP did last general election; what about his tax returns!? Why isn't Trump releasing them?!
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/pf/taxes/trump-tax-returns-audit/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/pf/taxes/trump-tax-returns-audit/index.html)
Quote from: libby on February 26, 2016, 03:38:06 PM
With Trump as POTUS and Christie in whatever position, the thought of those two teamed up is downright scary. :spooked:
The thought of any of those remaining 4 as POTUS is scary.
Trump Tower - Built by a large number of undocumented, illegal, Polish workers that agreed to do the work for $5/hr and were never paid in many cases.
Trump was sued and eventually after a long, drawn out court case, settled out of court for a court sealed amount.
FACT.
Now tell me again how this guy is going to be a good POTUS? :mad:
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http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/media/donald-trump-libel-laws/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/media/donald-trump-libel-laws/index.html)
As I have said before; "He's only in it for himself. . ."
Quote from: Palehorse on February 26, 2016, 07:07:26 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/media/donald-trump-libel-laws/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/26/media/donald-trump-libel-laws/index.html)
As I have said before; "He's only in it for himself. . ."
He's also pandering to the stupid. From that article:
"One of the things I'm going to do if I win... I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money," Trump said during a rally in Fort Worth, Texas.
^^ That's amazingly dangerous. I would hope even Hank would agree with that.
The more Trump talks, the scarier he becomes. :spooked:
Quote from: AbbyTC on February 26, 2016, 08:33:04 PM
The more Trump talks, the scarier he becomes. :spooked:
I hope Trump takes it all, because we will cream the Republican Party's ass. :haha: :smash: :kick: :yeah: :dance: :choo:
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I wonder how all these evangelicals that are backing Trump (The Hump) are going to rationalize the potential 1st Lady posing for the above image? (And a boat load of others).
It's not like its some secret or anything, but is this the image we want the entire planet to have of the Office of President of the United States?
Hypocrites!
And you know for a fact that those are actual pics of her and not photoshoped, correct? Proof please.
Quote from: me on February 28, 2016, 03:09:47 PM
And you know for a fact that those are actual pics of her and not photoshoped, correct? Proof please.
Do your own homework. Pretty easy to do if you are truly interested. . . She's only been plastered across fashion and major media mags worldwide. . .
You don't even know who his wife is do you? . . . :roll eyes:
http://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/models/melania_knauss/photos/ (http://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/models/melania_knauss/photos/)
Quote from: Palehorse on February 28, 2016, 03:27:40 PM
Do your own homework. Pretty easy to do if you are truly interested. . . She's only been plastered across fashion and major media mags worldwide. . .
You don't even know who his wife is do you? . . . :roll eyes:
http://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/models/melania_knauss/photos/ (http://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/models/melania_knauss/photos/)
I got to say that old Donald sure has good taste. :sneaky: :drool1: :sailor:
Quote from: The Troll on February 28, 2016, 05:06:40 PM
I got to say that old Donald sure has good taste. :sneaky: :drool1: :sailor:
If he gets the nomination he'll be subjected to the wrath of the evangelicals that will sit in judgment of this woman within the media.
(Not saying she is/was wrong for doing whatever it is she did. Just statement of fact.)
The evangelicals will have no choice; unless they want to expose themselves for the hypocrites they are. :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 28, 2016, 03:27:40 PM
Do your own homework. Pretty easy to do if you are truly interested. . . She's only been plastered across fashion and major media mags worldwide. . .
You don't even know who his wife is do you? . . . :roll eyes:
http://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/models/melania_knauss/photos/ (http://www.fashionmodeldirectory.com/models/melania_knauss/photos/)
No, and I really don't care. I don't intend to vote for him because I do believe he's as bad as Obama as far as being a narcissist.
Quote from: me on February 28, 2016, 05:41:22 PM
No, and I really don't care. I don't intend to vote for him because I do believe he's as bad as Obama as far as being a narcissist.
You should have just stopped with the first sentence. It fully explains the deliberate ignorance that is rampant amongst you conservative hypocrites. . .
It is astounding how much crap they parrot without even the slightest of critical thought being applied to it.
Unbelievable how easily they are lead down the primrose path when the entire thinking world can see the bottomless pit they are being led toward like a pack of lemmings! :mad:
Super Tuesday will tell the tale for these jack-holes. . .
They've spent the last 8 years spewing their "Xtian nation" tripe, and their candidate of choice is a pimp for the Korporate Amerikan Whore Houses!
The media will eat him alive with pictures of his wife's super-model career splashed all over their pages and screens. And eat them alive as well.
No, you can put that sentence back in there because that is what I meant. He could be cut out of the same cloth the way he cries about the media being unfair to him and the way he wants to force his way of thinking on everyone. I don't think he would be as divisive as Obama but he sure would be as much of a bully when it came to what he wanted from congress. I just don't think he would work across the aisle any better than Obama does.
Quote from: me on February 28, 2016, 05:54:57 PM
No, you can put that sentence back in there because that is what I meant. He could be cut out of the same cloth the way he cries about the media being unfair to him and the way he wants to force his way of thinking on everyone. I don't think he would be as divisive as Obama but he sure would be as much of a bully when it came to what he wanted from congress. I just don't think he would work across the aisle any better than Obama does.
You should be looking at the members on each side of that aisle instead of the sitting POTUS; whomever it is.
THEY are the reason for this division in this nation. THEY are the reason for the ongoing economic crises in this nation. THEY are the reason nothing has been achieved in the last 8 years, except for saying "NO".
Trump will come out a winner either way, since in all likelihood his wife resides within the stable managed by Trump Model Management which he owns. The exposure will increase her popularity and demand for her services. . .
EDIT: Yep. She's in the fold alright. . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Model_Management (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Model_Management)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2016, 01:44:31 PM
Trump's supporters are largely aging, uneducated, rural white voters...you fall squarely into that category.
And here's a prime example of that.
There's not much Trump can do about the decline of coal in Appalachia, but that won't stop the uneducated from
believing he can and voting against their own self interests yet again. :rolleyes:
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Quote from: Palehorse on February 28, 2016, 06:07:07 PM
You should be looking at the members on each side of that aisle instead of the sitting POTUS; whomever it is.
THEY are the reason for this division in this nation. THEY are the reason for the ongoing economic crises in this nation. THEY are the reason nothing has been achieved in the last 8 years, except for saying "NO".
Trump will come out a winner either way, since in all likelihood his wife resides within the stable managed by Trump Model Management which he owns. The exposure will increase her popularity and demand for her services. . .
EDIT: Yep. She's in the fold alright. . .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Model_Management (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Model_Management)
And she has what exactly to do with anything? As far as being divisive he will not be pitting one race against another and praising the likes of those black lives matter type people. They are clearly a hate group and Obama is praising them and having them as guests in the WH. Old Hill is right in there with him 'cause she wants that black vote so she fits in that divisive catagory too.
Quote from: me on February 28, 2016, 05:41:22 PM
No, and I really don't care. I don't intend to vote for him because I do believe he's as bad as Obama as far as being a narcissist.
You think Obama is a narcissist?
Check this out!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3310771/Inside-Ben-Carson-s-home-look-Republican-presidential-candidate-s-Maryland-mansion-complete-huge-shrine-portrait-Jesus.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3310771/Inside-Ben-Carson-s-home-look-Republican-presidential-candidate-s-Maryland-mansion-complete-huge-shrine-portrait-Jesus.html)
Quote from: me on March 01, 2016, 01:06:11 PM
As far as being divisive he will not be pitting one race against another...
Yeah, because he's not a bigot at all; right?
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Quote from: me on March 01, 2016, 01:06:11 PM
And she has what exactly to do with anything?
Please go back and re-read all of my posts prior to this one. It has been explained in detail previously. Had you been paying attention you would not have had to ask this.
Quote from: me on March 01, 2016, 01:06:11 PM
As far as being divisive he will not be pitting one race against another and praising the likes of those black lives matter type people. They are clearly a hate group and Obama is praising them and having them as guests in the WH. Old Hill is right in there with him 'cause she wants that black vote so she fits in that divisive catagory too.
Oh please. . . Whitey has had 232 years of endless partying and pandering to the racist party in the White House. From guest night trysts in the Lincoln room to drunken cigar parties, they've been having a grand old time of things minus the last 8 years. Your whining sounds like a rather nasty batch of sour grapes. . . And along the way at least 2 of the white Presidents were assassinated for trying to implement or enforce civil rights; just because, "how dare they try to give the darkies anything!" "We've spent all this time, money and energy exterminating the indigenous peoples of this nation, so why should we give them anything?"
Divisiveness? You want to see divisiveness on steroids? Let Rump into the Oval Office and watch him line up the rich bitches and unite them in a national effort to bolster the haves against the have nots; eliminating the middle-class along the way. (They've already got a head start on this).
Nailed It!
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If Ted doesn't win Texas, he's toast.
Rubio is probably toast too after tonight.
He will win Texas and maybe Oklahoma.
That will be it.
He will survive another week
Trump was declared winner in Georgia
I saw on CNN that Trump has 182 delegates and Rubio 28 and Cruz 22. I still can't believe the amount of people voting for Trump.
He panders to the stupid people. That's why he said he likes them. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2016, 09:00:36 PM
He panders to the stupid people. That's why he said he likes them. ;D
Then I should change it to I still can't believe the amount of stupid people voting for Trump. :wink:
Quote from: AbbyTC on March 01, 2016, 09:24:25 PM
Then I should change it to I still can't believe the amount of stupid people voting for Trump. :wink:
I admit they are stupid and ignorant to vote for him.
I really think neither Cruz nor Trump beats Clinton in a general election. Especially with the BS they've been spewing over the last few weeks.
Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2016, 10:29:02 PM
I really think neither Cruz nor Trump beats Clinton in a general election. Especially with the BS they've been spewing over the last few weeks.
I agree. (I think there must be something wrong with me. :rolleyes: I've been watching the returns on MSNBC -- for at least 4 hours. Couldn't tear myself away.)
I've been watching too.
Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2016, 10:29:02 PM
I really think neither Cruz nor Trump beats Clinton in a general election. Especially with the BS they've been spewing over the last few weeks.
She's really been spewing BS though. They all have.
Quote from: Locutus on March 01, 2016, 10:29:02 PM
I really think neither Cruz nor Trump beats Clinton in a general election. Especially with the BS they've been spewing over the last few weeks.
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on March 01, 2016, 09:45:31 PM
I admit they are stupid and ignorant to vote for him.
They are confusing attitude with aptitude.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 08:01:26 AM
:rolleyes:
Keep rolling your eyes Hank. I'm sure you remember quite well what happened last time.
Your party is running crazy people. You need middle of the road and independent voters to win. Running crazy people won't help in that regard.
Quote from: Locutus on March 02, 2016, 10:06:48 AM
Keep rolling your eyes Hank. I'm sure you remember quite well what happened last time.
Your party is running crazy people. You need middle of the road and independent voters to win. Running crazy people won't help in that regard.
We are watching them destroy their own party...it's hysterical!
Quote from: Locutus on March 02, 2016, 10:06:48 AM
Your party is running crazy people.
AND BERNIE AND HILLARY ARE NORMAL PEOPLE......... :spooked: REALLY??? :confused:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2016, 10:07:56 AM
We are watching them destroy their own party...it's hysterical!
The republican party is imploding. The people who THINK are calling the shots are out of touch with what the people want. I think THIS is the best thing to happen to the GOP..........I think Trump is the best thing to happen to WASHINGTON in a long time........he is shaking things up and creating excitement among many, many people.
So you think Trump, whose primary constituency is garden-variety bigots, represents what the people of your party want?
That's a sad statement about both your party, and you. :(
Quote from: Locutus on March 02, 2016, 11:19:48 AM
So you think Trump, whose primary constituency is garden-variety bigots, represents what the people of your party want?
That's a sad statement about both your party, and you. :(
I know this isn't going to mean a damn thing to you, but I can say that you are wrong with your speculation of WHO is supporting Trump.
I know SEVERAL people who are CEO's, VP's, and folks with a lot of clout, who are excited about Trump. You are deceiving yourself if you think or believe otherwise.
Do you really think he is winning by huge numbers by "the uneducated" people?
I guy I work with who has been with this company for 35 years. He is extremely active in the Indy GOP. He rubs shoulders with the elite in Indy Politics. He is my "go-to" guy when I am wanting to know the latest and what is going on in the political world. His opinion is, there are many folks out there who don't "admit" they like Trump, but are hell-bent on voting for him.
That seems to be holding truth....the GOP is having a record turn out for the primaries.....the "uneducated" are NOT ones who go to these.......it is everyday people who are ready for a change in how Washington conducts business........and they believe Trump is the man to do this.
Now, start bashing me......I have developed very strong shoulder because of this forum.... :razz: :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 11:40:56 AM
Do you really think he is winning by huge numbers by "the uneducated" people?
Yes.
Perhaps I should word this....Do you really think he is winning by huge numbers by ONLY "the uneducated" people?
Because he is leading most polls by ALL the categories.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 12:21:27 PM
Perhaps I should word this....Do you really think he is winning by huge numbers by ONLY "the uneducated" people?
Yes.
QuoteBecause he is leading most polls by ALL the categories.....
Which polls are those?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 12:21:27 PM
Perhaps I should word this....Do you really think he is winning by huge numbers by ONLY "the uneducated" people?
Because he is leading most polls by ALL the categories.....
Actually, he's not, and there are data that support that his largest majorities are uneducated people. An analysis done in NH bears that out. I'll post it later.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 02, 2016, 12:41:12 PM
Which polls are those?
You can google it and get this answer pretty easy...
Here is one from CNN/ORC....
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/02/29/rel4a.-.2016.primaries.pdf (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/02/29/rel4a.-.2016.primaries.pdf)
Page 26 is a good example.....(just to save you some time, IF you really give a poop)
Quote from: Locutus on March 02, 2016, 12:45:52 PM
Actually, he's not, and there are data that support that his largest majorities are uneducated people. An analysis done in NH bears that out. I'll post it later.
According to the Poll I just posted (for republican voters).....52% of the College graduates - Trump - Those making $50K plus - 51% -Trump.......it goes on and on.
Trump is dominating all the demographics.....
Here is a link to a collection of several current polls pitting Trump against Clinton.
Even Fox news admits Clinton would beat Trump.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html)
Quote from: Bo D on March 02, 2016, 02:13:30 PM
Here is a link to a collection of several current polls pitting Trump against Clinton.
Even Fox news admits Clinton would beat Trump.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html)
Fox has been the biggest critic of Trump....I have been watching MSNBC, Fox, and CNN........and MSNBC (Especially Mornin Joe) has been the kindest to him.
Ever since Trump and Megyn Kelly got into it, they are extra hard on him.
The bottom line is the Polls are only good when they work like they say they do........When they hit it! they are awesome to look at.........but many times they are off...and then they suck.... :biggrin:
One thing I am learning about Trump is, he is only getting stronger and better....He is learning how to be a "Politician" as he goes.
I'm thinking, if things go as they are....it is going to be very interesting this summer.
Ben Carson
;D
Quote from: Locutus on March 02, 2016, 02:47:10 PM
Ben Carson
;D
I'm not sure if he is officially dropping out, but he is not going to attend the debate tomorrow night.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 02:32:13 PM
The bottom line is the Polls are only good when they work like they say they do say what I want them to...
Fixed this for you! :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 02:32:13 PM
Polls are only good when they work like they say they do........
Yet you are quick to quote them when they support your point of view.
Quote from: Bo D on March 02, 2016, 03:27:08 PM
Yet you are quick to quote them when they support your point of view.
Just when I am arguing with you guys........other than that........eh. Not much good for anything.... ;) :wink: :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 03:40:57 PM
Just when I am arguing with you guys........other than that........eh. Not much good for anything.... ;) :wink: :razz:
I'm not arguing with you ... I'm just showing you why I'm right. :wink:
Quote from: Bo D on March 02, 2016, 03:27:08 PM
Yet you are quick to quote them when they support your point of view.
My point exactly! :biggrin:
Quote from: Bo D on March 02, 2016, 03:49:29 PM
I'm not arguing with you ... I'm just showing you why I'm right. :wink:
Same here........If I was wrong, I wouldn't be discussing it with you.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 02:32:13 PM
Fox has been the biggest critic of Trump....I have been watching MSNBC, Fox, and CNN........and MSNBC (Especially Mornin Joe) has been the kindest to him.
Ever since Trump and Megyn Kelly got into it, they are extra hard on him.
The bottom line is the Polls are only good when they work like they say they do........When they hit it! they are awesome to look at.........but many times they are off...and then they suck.... :biggrin:
One thing I am learning about Trump is, he is only getting stronger and better....He is learning how to be a "Politician" as he goes.
I'm thinking, if things go as they are....it is going to be very interesting this summer.
Trump is only getting stronger and better....He is learning how to be a "Politician" as he goes. That is really funny! The reality is that Trump is beginning to get a clue that being good at one thing, like being a con man, does not make him an expert about everything. Why do you think he and Gov. Chris Christie are suddenly best buddies? Clue: the POTUS is not an independent operator. You can dismiss "Washington" and the federal government as inept all you please, but the truth is that there are thousands and thousands of people, most decent hardworking people, who work behind the scenes to make the "government" work, as the politicians and other experts come and go. Occasionally a real crook gets in and mucks things up for a while but the system works. We've survived as a nation so far and we'll survive Trump if he should get what he (thinks) he wants. :sneaky:
I don't think there's any way Trump wins the general election. And yes Hank, you can put that in your filing cabinet.
Quote from: libby on March 02, 2016, 04:41:48 PM
Trump is only getting stronger and better....He is learning how to be a "Politician" as he goes. That is really funny! The reality is that Trump is beginning to get a clue that being good at one thing, like being a con man
Con man my ass.....
He is a business man....who is a great leader....who is getting into the political world, running for POTUS........He is 69 years old, and has made more than enough money to satisfy his every desire. He sees how screwed up our Country is....and he believes he can fix it.
It isn't as if he is going to get "rich" because of this.......he is already rich. It would be much easier to NOT run and continue doing what he has been doing the last several years.
But, he has an enormous ego....(which is okay as long as you can back it up) and I am willing to allow, one of the greatest executives our country has, to become the Chief Executive, something we have lacked in for decades now....
He has the intelligence to put some of the smartest people around him.......and accomplish some of the tasks he says he is going to do. Fixing our economy is first and foremost.
I am eager to give him that opportunity. What other choice do we have? Clinton, will be four more years of what we are currently going through. I am getting too old for that. I need someone who is serious about fixing things asap.
Quote from: Locutus on March 02, 2016, 04:58:06 PM
I don't think there's any way Trump wins the general election. And yes Hank, you can put that in your filing cabinet.
I understand why you would think that. Yes, I will file it away. Time will tell. Everybody keeps saying he can't do this and he can't do that........but, he HAS one of the greatest campaigns we have seen in years. I think many people like you keep underestimating him.
I'm more than willing to see him get a chance rather than Hillary Clinton, who is under FBI investigation, one of the most untrustworthy people that has been in the political world since Nixon.....yeah. I'm more than good with my choice. I am rather excited for the possibility.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 05:07:06 PM
Hillary Clinton, who is under FBI investigation, one of the most untrustworthy people that has been in the political world since Nixon.....
"Prove It!(TM)"
Unless you can show any actual illegal activity - and specifically what law(s) she's violated - then you're simply a liar like the rest of you Repug false accusers.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 05:07:06 PM
. . .
I'm more than willing to see him get a chance rather than Hillary Clinton, who is under FBI investigation, . . .
Whereas Trump IS under a DOJ
indictment. . . Trump U and all that. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 05:02:54 PM
Con man my ass.....
He is a business man....who is a great leader....
He sees how screwed up our Country is....and he believes he can fix it.
one of the greatest executives our country has,
Fixing our economy is first and foremost.
I need someone who is serious about fixing things asap.
When you look at the 'Great Harrumph!(TM)' - whose real family name is Drumpf - and his supposed 'accomplishments', it certainly suggests 'con man' is a proper label for him.
Let's see you produce all the evidence that proves he's a 'great leader', one of the 'greatest executives our country has', or that he has great 'accomplishments'. You can't and you know you can't.
You don't have a clue about the real problems in this country, or about how to fix them.
You also don't have a clue how .gov works, or you wouldn't think simply electing a president will solve problems.
Face it, you're one of the sub-100 IQ nitwits who are at the root of the problems in our republic.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
Here's the constituency Hank. She made national television, and she's just one of the many garden-variety bigots that I mentioned before.
https://www.youtube.com/v/JDyOGIGFtfM
Quote from: Locutus on March 03, 2016, 03:01:00 AM
Here's the constituency Hank. She made national television, and she's just one of the many garden-variety bigots that I mentioned before.
That whack job seriously needs to take her meds.
Quote from: Locutus on March 02, 2016, 02:47:10 PM
Ben Carson
Hey, Henry, do you remember when I said that as a person of color, Ben Carson would
never get the nomination?
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/Trumpfor%20forum_zpsu9wngmct.jpg)
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 08:23:13 AM
Hey, Henry, do you remember when I said that as a person of color, Ben Carson would never get the nomination?
You are an idiot and will probably vote for Hill, if she makes it, just because she is a woman and tell us all we didn't because we're against women. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on March 03, 2016, 09:01:56 AM
You are an idiot and will probably vote for Hill, if she makes it, just because she is a woman and tell us all we didn't because we're against woman.
You can't even spell, "women," and I'm the idiot? Illiterates should not be allowed to vote.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 08:23:13 AM
Hey, Henry, do you remember when I said that as a person of color, Ben Carson would never get the nomination?
What, do you want a medal?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 03, 2016, 09:06:30 AM
What, do you want a medal?
No; rubbing your nose in it is reward enough. Expect more of this as my predictions continue to be proven true. :biggrin:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 05:02:54 PM
Con man my ass.....
When you make yourself rich by filing bankruptcy while you shaft your creditors and investors, you are a con man.
When you set up a fake school and bilk people out of their money for an education they never receive, you are a con man.
When you enrich yourself at the expense of other people, you are a con man. Get it?
QuoteHe is a business man...
A businessman who racked up hundreds of millions of dollars in debt because he couldn't turn a profit in a brain dead industry like a casino while his competitors were providing returns to their investors many times that of their initial investments? Not a very good businessman; is he?
QuoteFixing our economy is first and foremost.
What's wrong with our economy and how is he going to fix it, exactly?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 09:05:55 AM
You can't even spell, "women," and I'm the idiot? Illiterates should not be allowed to vote.
It was a typo.
Quote from: me on March 03, 2016, 10:19:16 AM
It was a typo.
The same typo I've seen you make numerous times on this forum...puzzling!
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2016, 05:16:10 PM
Whereas Trump IS under a DOJ indictment. . . Trump U and all that. . .
WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME WE POINT THIS OUT, IT JUST GETS IGNORED????
Quote from: Bo D on March 03, 2016, 10:58:58 AM
WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME WE POINT THIS OUT, IT JUST GETS IGNORED????
Because it's inconvenient.
Mitt "Magic Underwear" Romney is on TV right now slamming the hell out of the Trumpster. ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 08:19:55 AM
That whack job seriously needs to take her meds.
But did you hear some of those other people saying, "yes," agreeing with what that nut job was saying?
Quote from: Bo D on March 03, 2016, 10:58:58 AM
WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME WE POINT THIS OUT, IT JUST GETS IGNORED????
Well, I am going to wait and see if there is anything to it. This started 5 years ago. Amazingly, it is news NOW. Trump says 98% of his students are extremely happy with the course.
The fact is, there is an enormous amount of money being spent right now to smear Trump. By both parties. There is a real chance there is nothing to this. If there is, we will soon see.
Just as Hillary will soon find out if she is a criminal or not. The FBI is spending an great deal of time on this.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 09:27:18 AM
When you make yourself rich by filing bankruptcy while you shaft your creditors and investors, you are a con man.
When you set up a fake school and bilk people out of their money for an education they never receive, you are a con man.
When you enrich yourself at the expense of other people, you are a con man. Get it?
"There's plenty of evidence that Donald Trump is a fake, a con man." -- Mitt Romney
:spooked:
Holy cow!! You agree with Mitt Romney on something.
:biggrin:
"His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University." -- Mitt Romney
:rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on March 03, 2016, 11:47:13 AM
Holy cow!! You agree with Mitt Romney on something.
:biggrin:
We've gotten pretty tight over the past few years. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 03, 2016, 11:38:25 AM
Mitt "Magic Underwear" Romney is on TV right now slamming the hell out of the Trumpster. ;D
This presents an interesting conundrum for the neocons who support Trump. Four years ago, Mitt could do no wrong and they defended everything he said and did. Now, he is publicly attacking their front-runner. Do they listen to what Romney is saying and abandon their support for Trump or do they admit that they were wrong four years ago and in so doing, tacitly admit that they could be just as wrong now? Hmmmm....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 03, 2016, 11:45:32 AM
Well, I am going to wait and see if there is anything to <Hillary's email server>. This started 5 years ago. Amazingly, it is news NOW.
The fact is, there is an enormous amount of money being spent right now to smear <Hillary>Trump. There is a real chance there is nothing to this. If there is, we will soon see.
Just as Hillary will soon find out if she is a criminal or not. <We already know that Trump has been indicted> The FBI is spending an great deal of time on this.
"A judge in the New York case ruled last year that Trump is personally liable for illegally operating a university without a proper license."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/03/01/court-deals-a-setback-to-donald-trump-in-fraud-case-against-trump-university/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2016/03/01/court-deals-a-setback-to-donald-trump-in-fraud-case-against-trump-university/)
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 12:04:01 PM
This presents an interesting conundrum for the neocons who support Trump. Four years ago, Mitt could do no wrong and they defended everything he said and did. Now, he is publicly attacking their front-runner. Do they listen to what Romney is saying and abandon their support for Trump or do they admit that they were wrong four years ago and in so doing, tacitly admit that they could be just as wrong now? Hmmmm....
It's a moment in politics that I haven't witnessed before in my lifetime. Never have I seen such a battle for the heart and soul of a political party than what is going on right now with the Republicans.
I really think Romney's speech was more directed toward the donor class, and party leaders, than it was to any of the Trump supporters. As such, it may very well backfire on them, and drive even more rabid Trump supporters to the polls as they continue to perceive all of this as the establishment trying to override the will of the people.
Interesting times indeed.
Speech starts at about the 5 minute mark in the video for anyone who wants to watch it later.
https://www.youtube.com/v/I9vd4kOJwzg
Quote from: Locutus on March 03, 2016, 12:10:13 PM
I really think Romney's speech was more directed toward the donor class, and party leaders, than it was to any of the Trump supporters. As such, it may very well backfire on them, and drive even more rabid Trump supporters to the polls as they continue to perceive all of this as the establishment trying to override the will of the people.
If Facebook is any indication, you called that right! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 01:04:10 PM
If Facebook is any indication, you called that right! :biggrin:
My feed is indicating the same thing. ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 08:23:13 AM
Hey, Henry, do you remember when I said that as a person of color, Ben Carson would never get the nomination?
I just thought of this response while I was eating lunch....so, pretend I am just now answering for the first time.....(c'mon play along)Hey Ex, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out.......WAIT!!! I guess it does!!!
rimshotOkay, it was funny to me, in my mind when I thought of it.................timing and delivery is EVERYTHING!! and I gotta headache and been very busy.....so, eh yeah.
Quote from: Locutus on March 03, 2016, 11:41:07 AM
But did you hear some of those other people saying, "yes," agreeing with what that nut job was saying?
What a scary group of people. :eek:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 03, 2016, 01:52:42 PM
Hey Ex, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out.......WAIT!!! I guess it does!!! rimshot
:haha:
Quote from: AbbyTC on March 03, 2016, 01:57:28 PM
What a scary group of people. :eek:
Watch her eyes! Whew! You can tell a lot by the eyes!
(http://dallaspenn.com/pics/albums/politrix/Jared_Lee_Loughner_mugshot.jpg)
:spooked:
That's a scary looking dude.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 03, 2016, 01:52:42 PM
Hey Ex, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure that one out.......WAIT!!! I guess it does!!! rimshot
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 03, 2016, 11:41:07 AM
But did you hear some of those other people saying, "yes," agreeing with what that nut job was saying?
Turns out the crazy bitch ranting about all of the lies is, well, a liar. (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/busted-trump-loving-republican-lawmaker-caught-lying-in-unhinged-rant-about-obamas-lies/)
Wow!!!!
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 03:26:13 PM
Turns out the crazy bitch ranting about all of the lies is, well, a liar. (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/busted-trump-loving-republican-lawmaker-caught-lying-in-unhinged-rant-about-obamas-lies/)
Holy shit!
One would think CNN would have vetted that group a bit better than they apparently did.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 03:26:13 PM
Turns out the crazy bitch ranting about all of the lies is, well, a liar. (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/busted-trump-loving-republican-lawmaker-caught-lying-in-unhinged-rant-about-obamas-lies/)
Surprising yet it's not. They're bunch of whack jobs.
Quote from: AbbyTC on March 03, 2016, 07:44:17 PM
Surprising yet it's not. They're bunch of whack jobs.
:headbang: :hogslop:
^---Ignorance
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2016, 03:26:13 PM
Turns out the crazy bitch ranting about all of the lies is, well, a liar. (http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/busted-trump-loving-republican-lawmaker-caught-lying-in-unhinged-rant-about-obamas-lies/)
Wonder how much he paid her to do that. I'd say that was scripted just the way she was speaking.....To be honest I was prepared to defend this but...oh this hurts......she does come across as a crazy bitch.....I'm sure hell froze over a bit just now...I just know it did....I've got to go to bed and try to sleep now...Can I get over agreeing with you long enough to drop off to sleep????? Please, please tell me this was just a dream and I'm gonna wake up and it didn't really happen.....Oh this hurts.... :groan: :egg: :seeya2: :dark: :zzz:
Quote from: me on March 04, 2016, 12:14:41 AM
Wonder how much he paid her to do that. I'd say that was scripted just the way she was speaking.....To be honest I was prepared to defend this but...oh this hurts......she does come across as a crazy bitch.....I'm sure hell froze over a bit just now...I just know it did....I've got to go to bed and try to sleep now...Can I get over agreeing with you long enough to drop off to sleep????? Please, please tell me this was just a dream and I'm gonna wake up and it didn't really happen.....Oh this hurts....
LMAO! It'll be ok...just let it happen. :biggrin:
I slept quite well and things appear to be normal this morning so I guess agreeing with Ex wasn't too terrible. However, if he agrees with me at some point, and would admit it, there may be something to worry about. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: me on March 04, 2016, 08:36:48 AM
I slept quite well and things appear to be normal this morning so I guess agreeing with Ex wasn't too terrible. However, if he agrees with me at some point, and would admit it, there may be something to worry about. :yes: :biggrin:
:biggrin:
"My party is committing suicide on national television." -- Jamie Johnson, a former aide to Rick Perry
;D
:yes:
Quote from: Locutus on March 04, 2016, 11:20:42 AM
"My party is committing suicide on national television." -- Jamie Johnson, a former aide to Rick Perry
;D
:yes:
:eek: :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on March 04, 2016, 11:20:42 AM
"My party is committing suicide on national television." -- Jamie Johnson, a former aide to Rick Perry
;D
:yes:
The GOP Tea Billies ! :spooked:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 04, 2016, 05:13:51 PM
The GOP Tea Billies ! :spooked:
This is all the Republicans have to run, people full of bullshit and blubber. :rant: I don't think the Republicans have anyone to run that hasn't have committed crimes. lied and have to many skeletons in the closets, no one. :spot: :repub: :bsflag:
This is a very interesting read that supports some of what Y has said about authoritarians. It explains in detail about authoritarians and their support of the Trump candidacy.
The Rise of American Authoritarianism (http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism)
What these authoritarians want and what they're willing to do is some scary shite - and unbelievable detrimental to the country and our society.
Yup! I hope ole' Hank reads that whole thing.
I read the entire piece and bookmarked it for future reference.
I figured you would be the one person that appreciated its contents the most. ;D
Yup! I've been ringing the alarm bell for a long time.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 02, 2016, 05:07:06 PM
I'm more than willing to see him get a chance rather than Hillary Clinton, who is under FBI investigation, one of the most untrustworthy people that has been in the political world since Nixon....
Quote from: Y on March 02, 2016, 05:14:44 PM
"Prove It!(TM)"
Unless you can show any actual illegal activity - and specifically what law(s) she's violated - then you're simply a liar like the rest of you Repug false accusers.
He can't prove it, obviously, because Hillary Clinton isn't under any FBI investigation. There is no FBI investigation of Clinton, and there never was one. The FBI has publicly said as much. They have explicitly said that Hillary Clinton
is not a target of the investigation. However, you can't expect those that get their news primarily from Fux News to know that. Hank is once again just spewing some BS talking points from his favorite conservative news outlets. :rolleyes:
Link (http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/us/fbi-tracking-path-of-email-to-hillary-clinton-at-state-department.html?_r=2)
From that article:
Law enforcement officials have said that Mrs. Clinton, who is seeking the 2016 Democratic nomination for president, is not a target of the investigation, and she has said there is no evidence that her account was hacked. There has also been no evidence that she broke the law, and many specialists believe the occasional appearance of classified information in her account was probably of marginal consequence.
(http://a3.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fill,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,g_face,h_300,q_80,w_300/MTE1ODA0OTcxNzUzMTc4NjM3.jpg)
This is H. Ross Perot. Born to an upper-middle income family in Texas in 1930, he worked odd jobs and delivered newspapers as a youth to earn money. In 1949, he enrolled in the U.S. Naval Academy and, after serving as the class president in both his junior and senior years and graduating with honors, served in the U.S. Navy until 1957. In 1962, he founded Electronic Data Systems as a one-man data processing operation that would eventually employ 70,000 people in high-paying tech sector jobs. In 1979, Perot organized and sponsored a team of prior special forces operatives who successfully rescued two EDS employees that had been arrested and were being held by Iran. EDS was sold to General Motors in 1984 for $2.5 billion and continues to do business today as HP Enterprise Services with 140,000 employees in 60 countries.
In 1988, Perot founded Perot Systems, an IT service provider that ultimately employed 23.000 people, again in high-paying tech sector jobs, and had an annual revenue of $2.8 billion. It was sold to Dell in 2009 for $3.9 billion.
Perot is a successful, self-made businessman who, with a net worth of approximately $4.1 billion, remains one of the richest men in America. He has been married to the same woman for 60 years. He believes in hard work and has made his own children work for what they have in life as well.
In contrast, we have Donald Trump. Born a millionaire, he never truly worked for anything, nor have his children. He has a string of failed businesses, most notably his casinos, which have been forced into bankruptcy four times, racking up hundreds of millions of dollars in debt while his competitors reaped record profits. Most of the jobs he has ever created have been minimum wage in the service sector. He has become fabulously wealthy by paying himself huge salaries while bilking investors out of their money.
Trump is not a successful businessman, he is a con man.
In 1992 Perot and again in 1996, Perot ran for president. Everything he said would happen as a result of NAFTA did. People mocked and laughed at him. Many of the same people who did so then are Trump supporters now. This is what's wrong with the United States. Think about it.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 13, 2016, 04:06:46 PM
(http://a3.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fill,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,g_face,h_300,q_80,w_300/MTE1ODA0OTcxNzUzMTc4NjM3.jpg)
This is H. Ross Perot. Born to an upper-middle income family in Texas in 1930, he worked odd jobs and delivered newspapers as a youth to earn money. In 1949, he enrolled in the U.S. Naval Academy and, after serving as the class president in both his junior and senior years and graduating with honors, served in the U.S. Navy until 1957. In 1962, he founded Electronic Data Systems as a one-man data processing operation that would eventually employ 70,000 people in high-paying tech sector jobs. In 1979, Perot organized and sponsored a team of prior special forces operatives who successfully rescued two EDS employees that had been arrested and were being held by Iran. EDS was sold to General Motors in 1984 for $2.5 billion and continues to do business today as HP Enterprise Services with 140,000 employees in 60 countries.
In 1988, Perot founded Perot Systems, an IT service provider that ultimately employed 23.000 people, again in high-paying tech sector jobs, and had an annual revenue of $2.8 billion. It was sold to Dell in 2009 for $3.9 billion.
Perot is a successful, self-made businessman who, with a net worth of approximately $4.1 billion, remains one of the richest men in America. He has been married to the same woman for 60 years. He believes in hard work and has made his own children work for what they have in life as well.
In contrast, we have Donald Trump. Born a millionaire, he never truly worked for anything, nor have his children. He has a string of failed businesses, most notably his casinos, which have been forced into bankruptcy four times, racking up hundreds of millions of dollars in debt while his competitors reaped record profits. Most of the jobs he has ever created have been minimum wage in the service sector. He has become fabulously wealthy by paying himself huge salaries while bilking investors out of their money.
Trump is not a successful businessman, he is a con man.
In 1992 Perot and again in 1996, Perot ran for president. Everything he said would happen as a result of NAFTA did. People mocked and laughed at him. Many of the same people who did so then are Trump supporters now. This is what's wrong with the United States. Think about it.
^^ Every bit of that is true. :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
:eek: :eek:
Bat shit crazy stuff here from Ted Cruz's father.
https://www.youtube.com/v/J0_KKg6Wh3Q
Quote from: Locutus on March 13, 2016, 10:23:22 PM
:eek: :eek:
Bat shit crazy stuff here from Ted Cruz's father.
https://www.youtube.com/v/J0_KKg6Wh3Q
Geesh. Bat shit crazy is right.
If anyone needs a reason NOT to vote for Ted Cruz, there are several mentioned in that little prayer they had at the end of that video.
:spooked:
Even though I am a Christian, that kind of creeps me out a tad.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 13, 2016, 04:06:46 PM
Trump is not a successful businessman, he is a con man.
There is plenty to argue about here, but I am not going to for several reasons.........the only thing that really pops out at me is there is a great argument to be made that Bernie is just as much of a 'con man' as Trump. Bernie is telling young and naive voters that he is going to make college tuition free....give them free "family leave" and promising them $15 min wage...........and none of that is going to ever happen. He is conning them for votes.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 14, 2016, 07:59:12 AM
There is plenty to argue about here, but I am not going to for several reasons.........the only thing that really pops out at me is there is a great argument to be made that Bernie is just as much of a 'con man' as Trump. Bernie is telling young and naive voters that he is going to make college tuition free....give them free "family leave" and promising them $15 min wage...........and none of that is going to ever happen. He is conning them for votes.
One may argue that Bernie is trying to be a con man but not very effectively. Trump has been one his entire life.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 14, 2016, 08:16:35 AM
One may argue that Bernie is trying to be a con man but not very effectively. Trump has been one his entire life.
Trump was an effective/successful businessman all his life.......and now wants to be an effective/successful POTUS........keywords here is "effective/successful".
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 14, 2016, 08:47:49 AM
Trump was an effective/successful businessman all his life.......and now wants to be an effective/successful POTUS........keywords here is "effective/successful".
I gave you an example of a successful businessman, someone who created real wealth and real jobs without other losing their asses in the process. People who enrich themselves at the expense of others are scum.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 14, 2016, 09:06:47 AM
I gave you an example of a successful businessman, someone who created real wealth and real jobs without other losing their asses in the process. People who enrich themselves at the expense of others are scum.
Politicians are scum...so we still need to vote. Which scum is going to benefit my country the best?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 14, 2016, 09:16:47 AM
Politicians are scum...so we still need to vote. Which scum is going to benefit my country the best?
If Donald Trump is a jerk and a racist, are you a jerk and a racist for supporting him?
Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2016, 11:20:10 AM
If Donald Trump is a jerk and a racist, are you a jerk and a racist for supporting him?
If Hillary Clinton is a crook and a liar are YOU a crook and a liar for supporting her?
How is she a crook? All politicians are liars.
Donald Trump is a very clever con artist and liar. And now there's some proof of how he got so rich: today's Washington Post, front page:
Trump has profited from foreign labor he says is killing U.S. jobs
I've read it and have been trying to pull it up to post here, but so far can't.
Quote from: libby on March 14, 2016, 11:49:20 AM
Donald Trump is a very clever con artist and liar. And now there's some proof of how he got so rich: today's Washington Post, front page:
Trump has profited from foreign labor he says is killing U.S. jobs
I've read it and have been trying to pull it up to post here, but so far can't.
Ask and ye' shall receive. This is the first part of the article. The link to the article on the WP website follows. ;D
Donald Trump wanted to market a line of men's clothing that would bear his name.
He told people working with him to help find a company known for producing quality merchandise on a mass scale. In the end, Trump signed on with Phillips-Van Heusen, a manufacturer of affordable shirts produced in factories in 85 countries.
The 2004 deal — one of the first of many merchandise-licensing arrangements in which Trump attached his name to products made by foreign workers and sold in the United States — is relevant today as the billionaire businessman wages a populist presidential campaign in which he accuses companies of killing U.S. jobs by moving manufacturing overseas to take advantage of cheap labor and lax workplace regulations.
Documents and interviews reveal the personal role Trump played in negotiating the deal. Participants said they could not recall him expressing a preference that products be made in the United States.
"Finding the biggest company with the best practices is what was important to him," said Jeff Danzer, who was vice president of the company hired by Trump to broker the deal. "Finding a company that made in America was never something that was specified."
Link to full article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-decries-outsourced-labor-yet-he-didnt-seek-made-in-america-in-2004-deal/2016/03/13/4d65a43c-e63a-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html)
Thanks, Locutus. That's the WP link I pull up, but can't copy it -- it just freezes up on me. I'll post the whole thing later.
I saw this and thought it was kind of funny....They would all be more electable, if they all had beards.....
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Even Hillary...
(https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/if-presidential-candidates-had-beards-5.jpg?w=728&h=540)
They would have the Duck Dynasty vote for sure. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2016, 12:14:12 PM
They would have the Duck Dynasty vote for sure. ;D
and the ZZ Top fans... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 14, 2016, 12:43:29 PM
and the ZZ Top fans... :yes:
...and the hipster lumbersexuals! :biggrin:
TRUMP (Why?) CRUZ (Why?)
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Bernie left me feeling "burned" with his flip-flopping on gun control. Bernie
That leaves me with Hillary as the lesser or several evils offered up.
Quote from: libby on March 14, 2016, 11:49:20 AM
Donald Trump is a very clever con artist and liar. And now there's some proof of how he got so rich: today's Washington Post, front page:
Trump has profited from foreign labor he says is killing U.S. jobs
I've read it and have been trying to pull it up to post here, but so far can't.
Quote from: Locutus on March 14, 2016, 11:55:11 AM
Ask and ye' shall receive. This is the first part of the article. The link to the article on the WP website follows. ;D
Donald Trump wanted to market a line of men’s clothing that would bear his name.
He told people working with him to help find a company known for producing quality merchandise on a mass scale. In the end, Trump signed on with Phillips-Van Heusen, a manufacturer of affordable shirts produced in factories in 85 countries.
The 2004 deal — one of the first of many merchandise-licensing arrangements in which Trump attached his name to products made by foreign workers and sold in the United States — is relevant today as the billionaire businessman wages a populist presidential campaign in which he accuses companies of killing U.S. jobs by moving manufacturing overseas to take advantage of cheap labor and lax workplace regulations.
Documents and interviews reveal the personal role Trump played in negotiating the deal. Participants said they could not recall him expressing a preference that products be made in the United States.
“Finding the biggest company with the best practices is what was important to him,” said Jeff Danzer, who was vice president of the company hired by Trump to broker the deal. “Finding a company that made in America was never something that was specified.”
Link to full article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-decries-outsourced-labor-yet-he-didnt-seek-made-in-america-in-2004-deal/2016/03/13/4d65a43c-e63a-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html)
I finally was able to pull up and copy the entire article. The following picks up where what you posted (above) leaves off:
14 Mar 2016
The Washington Post
BY ROSALIND S. HELDERMAN AND TOM HAMBURGER
'Made in USA' wasn't goal as Trump sought clothing deal
Today, Donald J. Trump Collection shirts — as well as eyeglasses, perfume, cuff links and suits — are made in Bangladesh, China, Honduras and other lowwage countries.
Trump's daughter Ivanka, a vice president at his company and a frequent campaign surrogate, markets hundreds of additional products under her own line of jewelry and clothing. Many are made in China.
The contradiction between Trump's business decisions and his political agenda illustrates the sometimes-awkward transformation of an aggressive, profit-oriented marketer and real estate mogul into a firebrand champion of the struggling working class.
When Trump began cutting licensing deals more than a decade ago, many business executives and politicians in both parties argued that free trade and overseas production were beneficial to everyone— a needed boost for poor, developing economies abroad and a path to cheap goods for middle-class consumers in the United States.
Trump, though, has emerged as the Republican presidential front-runner largely by tapping into growing anger among voters who think free-trade policies — such as the ones that have added to Trump's fortune — have devastated U.S. communities that have lost manufacturing jobs to Mexico, China and elsewhere.
Trump's rivals and critics say he is a hypocrite, enriching himself with overseas labor while blasting the practice for political gain.
Representatives for the Trump Organization did not respond to requests for comment, and a spokesman for Ivanka Trump's product line declined to comment.
On the campaign trail, Trump has blasted Ford Motor Co. for opening factories in Mexico, criticized a U.S. drug company that moved its headquarters offshore and said he will eat no more Oreo cookies because its maker, Nabisco, moved part of its production to Mexico.
When news broke three weeks ago that the air-conditioner maker Carrier was moving 1,400 jobs from a plant in Indianapolis to Monterrey, Mexico, Trump wrote on Facebook: "We cannot allow this to keep happening. It will NOT happen under my watch."
Moreover, Trump has mentioned labor conditions overseas in support of his position that goods should be made in the United States, telling CNN last year that Chinese laborers are "paid a lot less and the standards are worse when it comes to the environment and health care and worker safety."
During Thursday night's Republican candidates' debate, Trump said he knows how to fix the policies that encourage outsourcing because he spent so many years taking advantage of them.
"Nobody knows it better than me," he said. "I'm a businessman. These are laws. These are regulations. These are rules. We're allowed to do it. . . . But I'm the one that knows how to change it."
Trump's rivals for the Republican presidential nomination have tried — so far to no avail — to undercut his popularity among working-class voters by portraying him as someone who rampantly outsources jobs. A similar line of attack proved effective four years ago against then-GOP nominee Mitt Romney.
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) called on Trump during a March 3 debate to announce that "all the Donald Trump clothing will no longer be made in China and in Mexico but will be made here in the United States." Trump dismissed the notion, arguing that China's currency policies "make it impossible for clothing makers in this country to do clothing in this country."
Critics say Trump is being disingenuous.
Robert Lawrence, a professor of trade and investment at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, has reviewed Trump-brand products for sale online and found that a large percentage are imported.
For example, the website selling Ivanka Trump's merchandise line links to 838 products — 628 of them imported. Of those, 354 are from China, a country that Donald Trump often says takes advantage of the large U.S. trade deficit.
Ivanka Trump's products also were marketed alongside her father's on the Trump Organization website. But amid criticism last week of the family's outsourcing practices, his daughter's page was removed.
"I don't decry what he and his daughter do," said Lawrence, who served on the Council of Economic Advisers under President Bill Clinton. "But at the same time, for him to claim that this is somehow immoral and go after companies that have relocated manufacturing when he has done the same puts him in conflict with his own rhetoric."
Lawrence said that some of Trump's proposals could hurt his own businesses. His proposed 15 percent tax on companies that outsource jobs, or a proposed 20 percent tax for importing goods, could result in higher prices for consumers buying Trump-brand products. Recently, he has discussed placing a 45 percent tariff on Chinese imports.
Lawrence estimated that Trump's $250 suits made in China would suddenly be priced in the United States at $350 or more. "The impact would be staggering and widespread," he said.
Michael Strain, deputy director of economic policy studies at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, said that Trump's trade rhetoric is "deeply irresponsible" because isolating the U.S. economy could devastate businesses and hurt consumers.
Trump struck the 2004 deal with Phillips-Van Heusen, which owns the Tommy Hilfiger and Calvin Klein brands, at a critical moment for his brand— the same year his hit show "The Apprentice" premiered.
Several people engaged in the negotiations said that Trump was personally involved. None could remember him specifically mentioning the U.S.-worker issue.
"If he's concerned about jobs in the United States, it should have been a question he asked," said one person involved in the deal, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid offending Trump. "And I can tell you that in none of the meetings did it come up."
The shirtmaker used factories in some countries, including Bangladesh, China and Honduras, where labor violations such as forced overtime are common, according to Scott Nova, executive director of the Worker Rights Consortium, a group that monitors factory conditions.
The agreement signed by Trump and Phillips-Van Heusen placed no restrictions on where Trump dress shirts, tuxedo shirts and neckwear could be manufactured.
Phillips-Van Heusen agreed that any products "manufactured by it or for it anywhere in the world" would not be made using child labor "as defined in the relevant jurisdiction of production," according to the contract, which was filed in a later lawsuit in New York between the broker company and Trump.
Mark Weber, who was chief executive of Phillips-Van Heusen at the time, said the company employed a "global sourcing network" to produce clothes for Trump's line and other brands.
Weber described Trump as a master negotiator who correctly predicted the brand would be a smashing success and persuaded a wary Phillips-Van Heusen to sign on.
In a deposition filed in the New York lawsuit, Trump recalled that the massive clothier had been eager for the deal. "They were very hot to make a deal with us," Trump said, according to a deposition transcript provided to The Washington Post by Jay Itkowitz, an attorney for the broker company that unsuccessfully sued Trump.
Weber, who is supporting Trump for president, said he concluded at the time that Trump was a patriot.
"He had a clear preference to support American values and what was good for America," Weber said.
Asked whether Trump ever specifically expressed a preference for items bearing his name to be made in America, Weber said, "You're asking me for specifics that are very hard to recollect."
Weber said that at the time, the industry's widely shared goals — promoted through overseas production — were to improve standards of living for workers in developing countries and to offer U.S. consumers lower prices.
"That was a time when America was very much in favor of building a better life for the people of our hemisphere," he said, referring to factories in Central America.
"While we care about Americans, we care about people all over the world, too," Weber said.
He also said that Trump never attempted to require that products be made in the United States as part of the contract between the two companies.
"No one can tell us where to make our products," said Weber, who left the company in 2006. "I have never signed a contract in my 40 years of experience where someone could tell me where to make my goods."
After Trump drew scrutiny over the summer for disparaging comments about Mexican immigrants, Macy's, which sold his clothing line, announced it was ending its relationship with him. Phillips-Van Heusen, now called PVH Corp., quickly followed suit, saying that its licensing deal with Trump would be unwound.
Dana Perlman, a spokeswoman for the company, said last week that it no longer manufactures Trump clothing. She declined to comment further.
Trump is blaming the violence at his rallies on Bernie Sanders because you can't truly be Hitler until you blame all of your problems on a Jew.
Looks like Trump is going to win Florida. :mad:
Quote from: Locutus on March 15, 2016, 07:26:58 PM
Looks like Trump is going to win Florida. :mad:
I have blood relatives posting about their casting their votes for him. . .
Idiocy knows no bounds. . . :mad:
Marco Rubio
Quote from: Locutus on March 04, 2016, 11:20:42 AM
"My party is committing suicide on national television." -- Jamie Johnson, a former aide to Rick Perry
;D
:yes:
^^ And so it begins.
(CNN)Conservatives at a meeting in Washington on Thursday had "absolute consensus" on trying to stop Republican front-runner Donald Trump from getting enough delegates to clinch the party's presidential nomination, according to a source familiar with the discussion.
Conservative leader Bob Fischer gathered more than a dozen activists and Republican lawmakers to discuss how to stop Trump from getting their party's nomination.
The source said the consensus was around preventing Trump from reaching 1,237 delegates, and then stopping him at the convention. The source added that the conservatives are optimistic for this option, adding they believe "it is possible."Full Article (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/politics/donald-trump-hill-republicans-conservatives/index.html)
I guess we should brace for riots come July. :spooked: ;D
I want the Donald to win, :yes: yes I say I want Trump to win, too win big and take the Republican Party over. :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
So the Democrats can completely destroy the Republican Party and all the evil :devil29: = :repub: the Republicans stands for this November. :zoners: :trustme:
Quote from: The Troll on March 17, 2016, 08:52:59 PM
I want the Donald to win, :yes: yes I say I want Trump to win, too win big and take the Republican Party over. :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
So the Democrats can completely destroy the Republican Party and all the evil :devil29: = :repub: the Republicans stands for this November. :zoners: :trustme:
That may happen given what the establishment is trying to do to him. :yes:
Big anti-Trump demonstration in Arizona today. ;D
I have a friend on FB, with whom I attended high school, who is a very conservative, evangelical Christian. Somewhere along the line, her daughter - and I'm sure it was despite the best efforts of her mother - turned into a liberal atheist. ;D
She was going back and forth with her mother (who not surprisingly is a Trump supporter) about Trump on a thread this morning. This is what she said.
Quote from: my friend's daughter
The beautiful thing about this is that the person who is actually in charge would have a strong record to support the equality of women. Trump doesn't give a shit and a half about anyone who isn't sucking his dick/someone he wants to suck his dick. I don't care how crass that sounds. I will never support anyone who calls women dogs, ugly, refers to their flat chests or menstruation. He's a piece of shit boiling in the sun.
:rotfl:
You go girl! Tell us how you really feel! :biggrin:
:food24: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Great response!
For those of you that have Facebook, this link will show you all of your friends who are fans of the Trump campaign's Facebook page. :spooked:
https://www.facebook.com/search/153080620724/likers/me/friends/intersect
You must be logged into Facebook when you click it.
Quote from: AbbyTC on March 19, 2016, 09:30:55 PM
Great response!
I'm sure her mother was quite pleased with it. :rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on March 19, 2016, 09:48:37 PM
I'm sure her mother was quite pleased with it. :rotfl:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 19, 2016, 09:32:17 PM
For those of you that have Facebook, this link will show you all of your friends who are fans of the Trump campaign's Facebook page. :spooked:
https://www.facebook.com/search/153080620724/likers/me/friends/intersect
You must be logged into Facebook when you click it.
The people that showed up didn't really surprise me. Some of them that support Trump didn't like his page. Guess they're closet supporters!
They're also probably closet garden-variety bigots as well.
Quote from: Locutus on March 19, 2016, 09:32:17 PM
For those of you that have Facebook, this link will show you all of your friends who are fans of the Trump campaign's Facebook page. :spooked:
https://www.facebook.com/search/153080620724/likers/me/friends/intersect
You must be logged into Facebook when you click it.
5.33% of my connections on FB support that asshat. . . But none that turned up in that report were a surprise to me. Rump appeals to the emotionally weak individuals, those that are easily lead and are quick to jump into the emotional tsunami he creates every time he opens his pie hole. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on March 19, 2016, 10:32:54 PM
They're also probably closet garden-variety bigots as well.
Or they don't get into politics on fb and wouldn't click on any political page.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 20, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
5.33% of my connections on FB support that asshat. . . But none that turned up in that report were a surprise to me. Rump appeals to the emotionally weak individuals, those that are easily lead and are quick to jump into the emotional tsunami he creates every time he opens his pie hole. :rolleyes:
Then there are those of us who see him as being just like the current POTUS only not as soft spoken or politically correct and doesn't have that ability to hypnotize with words.
Quote from: me on March 20, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Then there are those of us who see him as being just like the current POTUS only not as soft spoken or politically correct and doesn't have that ability to hypnotize with words.
Exactly how does this seen even remotely germaine to the statement you quoted?
Quote from: me on March 20, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Then there are those of us who see him as being just like the current POTUS only not as soft spoken or politically correct and doesn't have that ability to hypnotize with words.
:biggrin: Now that you mention it, Trump does make President Obama look like a class act, a scholar and a gentleman, well suited to be the President of the United States.
I watched a documentary around Adolph Hitler and his rise to power this afternoon. It outlined his childhood, his teen years, his years as an early adult, and finally his stumbling upon the political group that would facilitate his rise to power, after being assigned to spy on them by the German Army.
It is astonishing to see the parallels between Hitlers rise to power and Trumps.
I know, Hitler is the "go to " label for individuals that are undertaking unacceptable behaviors or initiatives. But anyone that just shrugs this off without truly looking into the allegations is doing nothing but facilitating the repeat of history; right here in our nation. :mad:
Quote from: me on March 20, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Then there are those of us who see him as being just like the current POTUS only not as soft spoken or politically correct and doesn't have that ability to hypnotize with words.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 20, 2016, 02:58:48 PM
Exactly how does this seen even remotely germaine to the statement you quoted?
Quote from: Palehorse on March 20, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
5.33% of my connections on FB support that asshat. . . But none that turned up in that report were a surprise to me. Rump Obama appeals to the emotionally weak individuals, those that are easily lead and are quick to jump into the emotional tsunami he creates every time he opens his pie hole. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on March 21, 2016, 06:27:42 AM
Non responsive reply utilizing quotations as if to infer the answer should be obvious.
:rolleyes:
Rump Obama appeals to the emotionally weak individuals, those that are easily lead and are quick to jump into the emotional tsunami he creates every time he opens his pie hole. :rolleyes:
Ferguson...Trayvon...Cambrige Police...
Quote from: me on March 20, 2016, 12:33:24 PM
Then there are those of us who see him as being just like the current POTUS only not as soft spoken or politically correct and doesn't have that ability to hypnotize with words.
Yeah but you're idiots so your opinions don't count.
Quote from: me on March 21, 2016, 09:11:53 PM
Rump Obama appeals to the emotionally weak individuals, those that are easily lead and are quick to jump into the emotional tsunami he creates every time he opens his pie hole. :rolleyes:
It is expected that when quoting someone the poster will give credit to the original poster of said quotation. Moreover, when responding to a particular portion of a previous posters contribution, one will exercise the courtesy of quoting only that portion to which they are responding.
You've been around this forum long enough to know this. . .
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
QuoteQuote from: Palehorse on March 20, 2016, 12:27:01 PM
Rump Obama appeals to the emotionally weak individuals, those that are easily lead and are quick to jump into the emotional tsunami he creates every time he opens his pie hole. :rolleyes:
Are you happy now? :rolleyes:
No thank you! :eek:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160325131533-05-week-in-politics-0325-super-169.jpg)
Quote from: Locutus on March 27, 2016, 08:42:47 PM
No thank you! :eek:
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160325131533-05-week-in-politics-0325-super-169.jpg)
That is scary..... :spooked:
Quote from: Locutus on March 27, 2016, 08:42:47 PM
No thank you! :eek:
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I think he would make a good preacher. :preach: I can just see him walking out of a widow's house. Wiping chicken off his mouth and pulling up his zipper on the fly of his pants. :haha: :haha: :preach: :pope: :pray: :yes:
The following is an exchange with a female Pennsylvania Trump voter that I just saw on CNN.
CNN Reporter: Why are you voting for Trump?
Voter: I want someone who'll let me say Merry Christmas!
CNN Reporter: Ma'am, who's stopping you from saying Merry Christmas now?
Voter: The government.
:rolleyes:
Why do we let people like that vote?
Quote from: Locutus on April 26, 2016, 04:12:28 PM
Why do we let people like that vote?
Google "Obamaphone lady"........I asked myself that very question back then....
I'm getting ready to settle in and watch the returns from Acela Tuesday. I think Trump is going to run the table in these states tonight.
Quote from: Locutus on April 26, 2016, 04:12:28 PM
The following is an exchange with a female Pennsylvania Trump voter that I just saw on CNN.
CNN Reporter: Why are you voting for Trump?
Voter: I want someone who'll let me say Merry Christmas!
CNN Reporter: Ma'am, who's stopping you from saying Merry Christmas now?
Voter: The government.
:rolleyes:
Why do we let people like that vote?
That sounds like something one of my Christian conservative friends would say. :eek: Locutus, do you know what area of the great state of PA this took place in? I know it wasn't her, but I'm curious.
Quote from: AbbyTC on April 26, 2016, 07:56:13 PM
That sounds like something one of my Christian conservative friends would say. :eek: Locutus, do you know what area of the great state of PA this took place in? I know it wasn't her, but I'm curious.
I don't remember specifically, but it was a rural area. It wasn't in any of the metro areas.
CNN projects Trump wins Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Connecticut, and that Clinton wins in Maryland.
Trump wins Rhode Island.
Trump wins Delaware.
He did a clean sweep.
A clean sweep and that tell you that the Republican voters are sick to death of the Republican assholes they voted into office in Washington DC. :haha:
Jeezus. Chris Christie is on the stage behind Trump again tonight. :rolleyes:
There is a striking difference between these parties, and campaigns, that is undeniable. Just look at the difference between the Clinton and Trump victory speeches just tonight.
Trumps speech right now is, frankly, quite dull. His crowd is too. No enthusiasm at all.
Quote from: Locutus on April 26, 2016, 09:59:14 PM
Jeezus. Chris Christie is on the stage behind Trump again tonight. :rolleyes:
And he's still saying, "Fuck me!!!" :rotfl:
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:sleepy:
This Trump event is a major snoozer.
Quote from: Locutus on April 26, 2016, 10:15:49 PM
And he's still saying, "Fuck me!!!" :rotfl:
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:haha:
Quote from: Locutus on April 26, 2016, 10:08:08 PM
There is a striking difference between these parties, and campaigns, that is undeniable. Just look at the difference between the Clinton and Trump victory speeches just tonight.
Trumps speech right now is, frankly, quite dull. His crowd is too. No enthusiasm at all.
Hillary, was without, one of the MOST Cliche' and nauseating events I have watched in a long time.......she is every bit as much "annoying" as Sarah Palin was.....her tone, her delivery, her facial expressions....ALL are simply...phony. I'm not alone with this train of thought either.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 27, 2016, 07:27:30 AM
Hillary, was without, one of the MOST Cliche' and nauseating events I have watched in a long time.......she is every bit as much "annoying" as Sarah Palin was.....her tone, her delivery, her facial expressions....ALL are simply...phony.
You'd better get used to it because she is going to be the next POTUS.
QuoteI'm not alone with this train of thought either.
No, you're not. Every other Billy Bob McGunrack on the planet is right there with you! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on April 27, 2016, 08:59:55 AM
You'd better get used to it because she is going to be the next POTUS.
No, you're not. Every other Billy Bob McGunrack on the planet is right there with you! :biggrin:
I know CEO's, VP's, Accountants, blue collar workers, a enormous amount folks who are giddy about Trump....
and is it possible to serve the white house with an orange outfit and an ankle bracelet?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 27, 2016, 09:12:04 AM
I know CEO's, VP's, Accountants, blue collar workers, a enormous amount folks who are giddy about Trump....
LMFAO! CEO's of what?
Quoteand is it possible to serve the white house with an orange outfit and an ankle bracelet?
"Try this exercise. Name a major political figure that has been examined, subpoenaed, interrogated, investigated, and scrutinized in public and in private for thirty years. Find a politician who has had every one of her communications as a government official disclosed and examined in detail both by law enforcement and by deeply hostile political opponents.
For all of that scrutiny, no one has ever found ANYTHING worthy of so much as a reprimand. Now, while a court decides what to do with Denny Hastert, tell me again about Clinton's scandals."
Dennis Hastert isn't running for POTUS...Hillary is. Google Gen Petraeus...see what happened to him for a much less indictment.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 27, 2016, 11:17:36 AM
Dennis Hastert isn't running for POTUS...Hillary is. Google Gen Petraeus...see what happened to him for a much less indictment.
You people are desperate and grasping for straws. Hillary isn't being charged because she didn't break any laws; get over it.
But while we're on the subject...how about that criminal cock sucker you're voting for defrauding people out of hundreds of millions of dollars? I guess you're ok with that, huh? It's apparently perfectly acceptable to spend other people's money and then file bankruptcy to avoid paying bills. As long as it's technically legal, screw right and wrong.
LMAO!!
CNN is reporting that ole' Lyin' Ted Cruz is going to name Carly Fiorina as his VP running mate at 4pm today. :rotfl:
This Republican clown train just keeps getting more and more bizarre.
You're telling me that she was using her private server exclusively and never recieved any classified emails while she was in office? How would that even be possible?
Quote from: Exterminator on April 27, 2016, 11:45:24 AM
You people are desperate and grasping for straws. Hillary isn't being charged because she didn't break any laws; get over it.
But while we're on the subject...how about that criminal cock sucker you're voting for defrauding people out of hundreds of millions of dollars? I guess you're ok with that, huh? It's apparently perfectly acceptable to spend other people's money and then file bankruptcy to avoid paying bills. As long as it's technically legal, screw right and wrong.
Get your story straight first will ya...
Quote from: me on April 27, 2016, 02:52:30 PM
You're telling me that she was using her private server exclusively and never recieved any classified emails while she was in office? How would that even be possible?
I'm saying she did nothing against the law that they can act on. If they did, they would.
Quote from: Locutus on April 27, 2016, 02:12:52 PM
LMAO!!
CNN is reporting that ole' Lyin' Ted Cruz is going to name Carly Fiorina as his VP running mate at 4pm today. :rotfl:
This Republican clown train just keeps getting more and more bizarre.
That must be why she was spotted in Indy today.
Yup! He's there too making the announcement as I type this.
Geez! Fiorina is throwing around the God card right and left. :rolleyes:
Gotta' pander to the idiots.
Quote from: Locutus on April 27, 2016, 04:59:07 PM
Geez! Fiorina is throwing around the God card right and left. :rolleyes:
Gotta' pander to the idiots.
Makes sense since according to Kenneth Copeland and Cruz's father that Cruz was anointed by god to be the next president.
What a bunch of shit.
"My son Ted and his family spent six months in prayer seeking God's will for this decision. But the day the final green light came on, the whole family was together. It was a Sunday. We were all at his church, First Baptist Church in Houston, including his senior staff. After the church service, we all gathered at the pastor's office. We were on our knees for two hours seeking God's will. At the end of that time, a word came through his wife, Heidi. And the word came, just saying, "Seek God's face, not God's hand." And I'll tell you, it was as if there was a cloud of the holy spirit filling that place. Some of us were weeping, and Ted just looked up and said, "Lord, here am I, use me. I surrender to you, whatever you want." And he felt that was a green light to move forward."
--- Rafael Cruz
Cruz and his dad are scarier than Trump.
Quote from: AbbyTC on April 27, 2016, 08:07:47 PM
Makes sense since according to Kenneth Copeland and Cruz's father that Cruz was anointed by god to be the next president.
What a bunch of shit.
Oh brother, you have got to be kidding. :rolleyes: I'm just really beginning to not like him, I already kind of didn't but this is confirming it even more.
Quote from: AbbyTC on April 27, 2016, 08:07:47 PM
Makes sense since according to Kenneth Copeland and Cruz's father that Cruz was anointed by god to be the next president.
What a bunch of shit.
:yes: :toilet:
Quote from: Locutus on April 27, 2016, 08:12:27 PM
"My son Ted and his family spent six months in prayer seeking God's will for this decision. But the day the final green light came on, the whole family was together. It was a Sunday. We were all at his church, First Baptist Church in Houston, including his senior staff. After the church service, we all gathered at the pastor's office. We were on our knees for two hours seeking God's will. At the end of that time, a word came through his wife, Heidi. And the word came, just saying, "Seek God's face, not God's hand." And I'll tell you, it was as if there was a cloud of the holy spirit filling that place. Some of us were weeping, and Ted just looked up and said, "Lord, here am I, use me. I surrender to you, whatever you want." And he felt that was a green light to move forward."
--- Rafael Cruz
Cruz and his dad are scarier than Trump.
They are all nothing but a creep-show! :mad: Validation that this nation is for sale to the highest bidder. :mad:
If you are expecting me to come to his aid........well it ain't gonna happen. I think he is a creep. Not sure if I could hold my nose and vote for him if it came down to it............I'm hoping, he loses Indiana and calls it quits....but I think he believes he can win a contested convention. I think if it becomes contested.........it is over for the GOP.
GO TRUMP! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 28, 2016, 07:43:19 AM
If you are expecting me to come to his aid........well it ain't gonna happen. I think he is a creep. Not sure if I could hold my nose and vote for him if it came down to it............I'm hoping, he loses Indiana and calls it quits....but I think he believes he can win a contested convention. I think if it becomes contested.........it is over for the GOP.
GO TRUMP! :yes:
Pretty much my thoughts too.
"Lucifer in the flesh," Boehner told Stanford's David Kennedy, a history professor emeritus, according to the Stanford Daily. "I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/28/politics/john-boehner-ted-cruz-lucifer-stanford/index.html
I don't suppose John Boehner will be voting for Ted Cruz anytime soon. This is just another example that even the Republicans know that they're running loons this election cycle.
:rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on April 28, 2016, 06:20:02 PM
"Lucifer in the flesh," Boehner told Stanford's David Kennedy, a history professor emeritus, according to the Stanford Daily. "I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/28/politics/john-boehner-ted-cruz-lucifer-stanford/index.html
I don't suppose John Boehner will be voting for Ted Cruz anytime soon. This is just another example that even the Republicans know that they're running loons this election cycle.
:rotfl:
Actually, some say this is more of an endorsement for Cruz than a slam.....I don't like either. It is time to clean up this party AND Washington. If we lose this opportunity, it will never happen. Trump is the man to do this.
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;D
Kind of weird when I get to laugh at you poking fun at a GOP dude.... :spooked: :yes: :razz:
Quote from: Locutus on April 29, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
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Wonder if he'll choose metal or wood and how many drawers it will have......I know, I know but I just couldn't resist. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on April 29, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
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:rotfl:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 29, 2016, 12:23:39 PM
;D
Kind of weird when I get to laugh at you poking fun at a GOP dude.... :spooked: :yes: :razz:
Yup! The one time I agree with Trump is that his assessment of that situation. It's an act of desperation.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on April 29, 2016, 07:44:29 AM
... It is time to clean up this party AND Washington. If we lose this opportunity, it will never happen. Trump is the man to do this.
:rolleyes: :eek: :no: You have to be kidding. The man is a loose cannon.
Just a few days ago Lindsey Graham said in a speech, that if a U.S. Representative shot and killed Ted Cruz and the killer was tried in the Senate. The killer would not be found guilty. :haha: :haha: :salute:
Quote from: The Troll on May 01, 2016, 01:47:18 PM
Just a few days ago Lindsey Graham said in a speech, that if a U.S. Representative shot and killed Ted Cruz and the killer was tried in the Senate. The killer would not be found guilty. :haha: :haha: :salute:
Yeah, but he has now flipped. He has endorsed Cruz.
Quote from: libby on April 30, 2016, 11:29:28 PM
:rolleyes: :eek: :no: You have to be kidding. The man is a loose cannon.
Yeah the said the same thing about Reagan too...
Did Carly drop out of the race? (http://www.infowars.com/watch-carly-fiorina-falls-off-stage-in-indiana/) :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 02, 2016, 12:54:54 PM
Did Carly drop out of the race? (http://www.infowars.com/watch-carly-fiorina-falls-off-stage-in-indiana/) :biggrin:
:rotfl:
The clown car just keeps rolling on the Republican side. ;D
So who wins Indiana tomorrow? Most polls show Trump with the edge, but one that came out over the weekend had Cruz on top.
Quote from: Locutus on May 02, 2016, 02:41:31 PM
So who wins Indiana tomorrow? Most polls show Trump with the edge, but one that came out over the weekend had Cruz on top.
I think the real question is who cares? Man the mud is thick out here! :rolleyes:
It's been thick this entire election cycle. ;D
I think I am going to vote for Cruz in the Republican primary today just because I think a contested convention will offer great entertainment value! :biggrin:
No doubt it would!
Unfortunately, I don't think Cruz is going anywhere even if he loses Indiana today. He's like the guy that keeps asking for a date and won't give up even though the girl repeatedly says no. It's like that exchange from the movie Dumb & Dumber:
__________________________________________
Lloyd Christmas: I want to ask you a question, straight out, flat out, and I want you to give me the honest answer. What do you think the chances are of a guy like you and a girl like me ending up together?
Mary Swanson: Well Lloyd, that's difficult to say. We really don't...
Lloyd Christmas: Hit me with it! Just give it to me straight! I came a long way just to see you Mary, just... The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?
Mary Swanson: Not good.
[the background soundtrack music suddenly stops]
Lloyd Christmas: [he gulps, his mouth twitching] You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
Mary Swanson: I'd say more like one out of a million.
Lloyd Christmas: [long pause while he processes what he's heard] So you're telling me there's a chance. YEAH!
;D
Quote from: Exterminator on May 02, 2016, 12:54:54 PM
Did Carly drop out of the race? (http://www.infowars.com/watch-carly-fiorina-falls-off-stage-in-indiana/) :biggrin:
now THAT is funny!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 03, 2016, 11:51:16 AM
now THAT is funny!!!
And Ted Cruz didn't even bother to help her back up. He was probably too mortified and embarrassed that his VP choice just fell out so ungracefully like that. ;D
Funny story...
Last weekend there was a national dog show in Indy and the host hotel was the Westin at the airport. Some of the competitors noticed when they arrived at the hotel that Ted Cruz's bus was parked in the parking lot. A little later at dinner, someone mentioned the bus and the conversation eventually turned to Carly Fiorina. One of the ladies at the table (who can sometimes be a bit loud) said, "I can't stand her; she looks like she sucks on lemons all day!"
Unbeknownst to them, Fiorina was sitting a couple of tables away and yelled back, "I can hear you!" :biggrin:
:spooked:
:biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 03, 2016, 12:16:08 PM
Funny story...
Last weekend there was a national dog show in Indy and the host hotel was the Westin at the airport. Some of the competitors noticed when they arrived at the hotel that Ted Cruz's bus was parked in the parking lot. A little later at dinner, someone mentioned the bus and the conversation eventually turned to Carly Fiorina. One of the ladies at the table (who can sometimes be a bit loud) said, "I can't stand her; she looks like she sucks on lemons all day!"
Unbeknownst to them, Fiorina was sitting a couple of tables away and yelled back, "I can hear you!" :biggrin:
:biggrin:
:spooked: ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Trump ahead in early results.
Quote from: Locutus on May 03, 2016, 06:50:33 PM
Trump ahead in early results.
I expected nothing less from the rubes in this state. . . :rolleyes:
My faith in the `Murican people is in sharp decline. . . :mad:
Fox is already declaring him the winner, and CNN has now too.
Tight race so far for Clinton and Sanders. Stay tuned!
I cannot believe I live in a state chock full of Rump Chumps! :mad:
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 03, 2016, 07:23:29 PM
Tight race so far for Clinton and Sanders. Stay tuned!
Yep. Nobody is calling that one yet.
CNN has called Sanders the winner. Ted Cruz has dropped out. Yikes. Trump as the Republican nominee? :spooked:
Looks that way. :spooked:
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 03, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
CNN has called Sanders the winner. Ted Cruz has dropped out. Yikes. Trump as the Republican nominee? :spooked:
He didn't "drop out" he suspended his campaign. I guess that still keeps him available for a contested convention and if he actually dropped out he could no longer keep what delegates he already has.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2016, 07:28:54 PM
I cannot believe I live in a state chock full of Rump Chumps! :mad:
Well, over half the states in this Country are chock full of Rump Chumps.......More people than ever in the history of GOP primary voting has cast a vote for him....with 9 or 10 more states to go....he is redefining the republican party.......and I think it is has potential to be better than ever.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 03, 2016, 07:08:20 PM
My faith in the `Murican people is in sharp decline. . . :mad:
Mine is on the rise...........funny how that works.
Kasich is dropping out.
Quote from: me on May 04, 2016, 01:53:35 AM
He didn't "drop out" he suspended his campaign. I guess that still keeps him available for a contested convention and if he actually dropped out he could no longer keep what delegates he already has.
Actually, that has more to do with the ability to continue to raise funds, if necessary, to retire any debts that may be due and payable by the campaigns of those who have suspended.
They do get to keep their delegates too if they so choose.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 04, 2016, 01:49:25 PM
Kasich is dropping out.
Yep!
Looks like the Repugs are all in with the Trumpster, whether they like it or not. ;D
:biggrin:
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13087808_10153659387640829_251505287592357644_n.jpg?oh=9ec30fee268f6f29b2a5bcf21bfe80bb&oe=579A7608)
It has been said that some Hoosiers are not to smart and they proved it Tuesday. :haha: :haha: :huh1: :repub: :zoners:
I'm glad Cruz is out. I was starting to want to throw things at the TV every time his voice was on there. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on May 04, 2016, 04:25:49 PM
I'm glad Cruz is out. I was starting to want to throw things at the TV every time his voice was on there. ;D
This is starting to scare me, but I agree with you once again on something political!!!!! Once upon a time, I liked Cruz........but after hearing him 7 days a week, for the last 10 months......I cannot stand his voice or even looking at him..... and I don't believe half of what is coming out of his mouth.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 04, 2016, 04:40:02 PM
This is starting to scare me, but I agree with you once again on something political!!!!! Once upon a time, I liked Cruz........but after hearing him 7 days a week, for the last 10 months......I cannot stand his voice or even looking at him..... and I don't believe half of what is coming out of his mouth.....
:yes:
:biggrin:
Wonder what ole' Cruz, his wife, and his dad, think about their obvious misinterpretation of "God's will." :sneaky: :devil29:
My son Ted and his family spent six months in prayer seeking God's will for this decision. But the day the final green light came on, the whole family was together. It was a Sunday. We were all at his church, First Baptist Church in Houston, including his senior staff. After the church service, we all gathered at the pastor's office. We were on our knees for two hours seeking God's will. At the end of that time, a word came through his wife, Heidi. And the word came, just saying, "Seek God's face, not God's hand." And I'll tell you, it was as if there was a cloud of the holy spirit filling that place. Some of us were weeping, and Ted just looked up and said, "Lord, here am I, use me. I surrender to you, whatever you want." And he felt that was a green light to move forward.
;D
Quote from: Locutus on May 04, 2016, 05:22:25 PM
Wonder what ole' Cruz, his wife, and his dad, think about their obvious misinterpretation of "God's will." :sneaky: :devil29:
My son Ted and his family spent six months in prayer seeking God's will for this decision. But the day the final green light came on, the whole family was together. It was a Sunday. We were all at his church, First Baptist Church in Houston, including his senior staff. After the church service, we all gathered at the pastor's office. We were on our knees for two hours seeking God's will. At the end of that time, a word came through his wife, Heidi. And the word came, just saying, "Seek God's face, not God's hand." And I'll tell you, it was as if there was a cloud of the holy spirit filling that place. Some of us were weeping, and Ted just looked up and said, "Lord, here am I, use me. I surrender to you, whatever you want." And he felt that was a green light to move forward.
;D
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they should have spent three hours on their knees. Might have gotten up too soon. :icon_twisted:
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 04, 2016, 07:58:44 PM
I was wondering the same thing. Maybe they should have spent three hours on their knees. Might have gotten up too soon. :icon_twisted:
:rotfl:
Or maybe it was the devil doin' the talkin'. :devil1:
Quote from: Locutus on May 04, 2016, 08:08:48 PM
:rotfl:
Or maybe it was the devil doin' the talkin'. :devil1:
Damn that devil! Misleading Ted like that. :redguy:
The devil is the ultimate deceiver. Maybe Cruz's family was tuned into the wrong channel that day. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on May 04, 2016, 09:02:58 PM
The devil is the ultimate deceiver. Maybe Cruz's family was tuned into the wrong channel that day. ;D
:big grin:
Here's what Ted Cruz's roommate Craig Mazin said of it: "Ted Cruz kept saying God wanted him to be President, and this is what happened. So either there is no God, or he reeeeally doesn't like Ted." :icon_twisted:
Quote from: AbbyTC on May 04, 2016, 09:13:47 PM
:big grin:
Here's what Ted Cruz's roommate Craig Mazin said of it: "Ted Cruz kept saying God wanted him to be President, and this is what happened. So either there is no God, or he reeeeally doesn't like Ted." :icon_twisted:
Geez! If his roommate said that, then I assume this was way back in college days, then that clearly shows that Cruz was crazy even back then.
Quote from: Locutus on May 04, 2016, 09:38:36 PM
Geez! If his roommate said that, then I assume this was way back in college days, then that clearly shows that Cruz was crazy even back then.
You can follow Craig Mazin on Twitter. Here's another one: "As a freshman, I would get into senior parties because I was Ted's roommate. OUT OF PITY. He was that widely loathed. It's his superpower. "
The hypocricy of the republican part knows no bounds , nor do its members and leadership learn anything. Just days after the rump chumps in this state voted him the winner in this state, leadership refuses to attend the convention because he is the apparent nominee.
What happened to all that horse shit about "imposing the will of the people"? That shit goes right out the window just as soon as something doesn't go their way.
And so we see yet another example that demonstrates the assholism of the Republican Party and the ignorance of party members.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 06, 2016, 12:30:46 PM
The hypocricy of the republican part knows no bounds , nor do its members and leadership learn anything. Just days after the rump chumps in this state voted him the winner in this state, leadership refuses to attend the convention because he is the apparent nominee.
What happened to all that horse shit about "imposing the will of the people"? That shit goes right out the window just as soon as something doesn't go their way.
And so we see yet another example that demonstrates the assholism of the Republican Party and the ignorance of party members.
Although I believe that the democrats are going to try to do the same thing F'ing thing if Bernie continues to gain momentum........I am starting to get a sour taste in my mouth...like the bile is backing up, But, I tend to agree ONCE again, that there is indeed a group of "elitist" GOP'ers that demonstrating assholism to it's finest!
Paul Ryan is SUPPOSED to be UNITING the party, then says he is NOT QUITE ready to support the candidate that the voters strongly indicate the next presidential nominee....Newt pretty much bitch slapped Paul Ryan....
These same ass wipes was ready to kick Trump out at the very beginning if he didn't "pledge his support" to the GOP........so, he does...........then proceeds to kick 16 nominees's asses to the curb, one by one.......takes the vast majority of the states, and gathers MILLIONS and MILLIONS of new voters to the party.........despite, these same buttcrusts trying every thing they can to keep him from winning..........
It is time to lick their freakin wounds, put on their big boy pants, and focus on winning this election................
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2016, 12:44:36 PM
...and gathers MILLIONS and MILLIONS of new voters to the party.....
This is still a lie no matter how many times you repeat it.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2016, 01:16:21 PM
This is still a lie no matter how many times you repeat it.
Okay, I will rephrase it.....he has over 2 million MORE GOP voters than Mitt had at this point of the process..it doesn't negate my point, what-so-ever.
LMAO!! The implosion continues. Ryan and Lindsey Graham are on the same page apparently.
Lindsey Graham won't vote for Trump or Clinton in 2016 (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-not-vote/index.html?adkey=bn)
^^
How about that $100.00 bet Hank. :wink: ;D
But he's a unifier! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XOocb-DId4) :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2016, 01:52:45 PM
But he's a unifier! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XOocb-DId4) :biggrin:
Hahaha! He's doing a great job of it, too. ;D
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2016, 01:52:45 PM
But he's a unifier! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XOocb-DId4) :biggrin:
That's AWESOME!! :rotfl:
They was laughing in July of 2015 when he started this,.......so keep on laughin. ;)
an old painter I knew used to say...."The wind blew and the shit flew.........and there he stood"....makes me think of this situation.
I say, Ryan and all these so-called conservatives, will be bowing down to him, when this is all over.
How about that $100.00 bet? :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on May 06, 2016, 02:27:20 PM
How about that $100.00 bet? :wink: :biggrin:
As you know, I DON'T bet, even when it is a sure thing :yes: (like this).......not gonna do it :no: . Never know when the kids need shoes! ;) :razz:
I think you're skeered of going 0-3 with your presidential prognostications. :razz:
LMAO @ sure thing! :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on May 06, 2016, 02:56:26 PM
I think you're skeered of going 0-3 with your presidential prognostications. :razz:
Not skeered now that Trump all but has it wrapped up.....me think that it is YOU that is gettin a tad worried.....if you aren't, you should be.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 06, 2016, 01:52:45 PM
But he's a unifier! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XOocb-DId4) :biggrin:
:lol:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2016, 03:35:37 PM
Not skeered now that Trump all but has it wrapped up.....me think that it is YOU that is gettin a tad worried.....if you aren't, you should be.
Statisticians have done the research and one thing is for sure; given the divisions within the republican party the democrats are all but assured the White House in the next election. The Rump Chumps might have had a shot had the Tea Billies and Closet Nazi factions within the party shut the hell up and aligned behind the rump. But they won't.
The ONLY chance they have is if enough people in this nation fall for the "Feel The Bern" to get him onto the ballot.
Divide and conquer . . .
I'll admit I am a Yellow Dog Democrat, I would vote for a Yellow Dog than any Republican. Tho I don't really care for Hillary I will vote for her. But I would really like to feel and have the Bern. :uns:
:egypt: :dance2: :egypt: :dance2: :trustme: :tiphat:
Everyone can relax! Trump just said that the U.S. never has to worry about defaulting on our debt because we print the money! (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/index.html) :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on May 09, 2016, 12:13:02 PM
Everyone can relax! Trump just said that the U.S. never has to worry about defaulting on our debt because we print the money! (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/index.html) :biggrin:
Hum, seems like Obama was doing that to pay for a lot of his programs and that was perfectly ok with you. I do believe, if you'll listen to that again he was saying that tongue in cheek rather than seriously.
Quote from: me on May 09, 2016, 01:01:02 PM
Hum, seems like Obama was doing that to pay for a lot of his programs and that was perfectly ok with you.
Bullshit; never happened. This statement does illustrate, however, that you have no better understanding of our monetary system than Trump does.
QuoteI do believe, if you'll listen to that again he was saying that tongue in cheek rather than seriously.
More bullshit.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 06, 2016, 06:53:01 PM
Statisticians have done the research and one thing is for sure; given the divisions within the republican party the democrats are all but assured the White House in the next election. The Rump Chumps might have had a shot had the Tea Billies and Closet Nazi factions within the party shut the hell up and aligned behind the rump. But they won't.
The ONLY chance they have is if enough people in this nation fall for the "Feel The Bern" to get him onto the ballot.
Divide and conquer . . .
I may be wrong, but my guess is that all is well for the Democrats. Aside from Hillary's substantial lead, I have heard Bernie say more than once when asked if he would support Hillary, not yes or no, BUT that he will go to any lengths to keep a republican out of the White House. And, there's no reason to doubt that Hillary would to the same.
I worried a little about Elizabeth Warren and Hillary, but in case you didn't hear over the weekend, she (Warren) tore into He Who Would be King (Donald Trump) :biggrin:.
One more thing about Bernie: I can understand how/why he intends to hang in there: what a chance for a 72 year old man to get such an enthusiastic audience. All that attention has to be really heady stuff!!!
Quote from: Exterminator on May 09, 2016, 01:30:29 PM
Bullshit; never happened. This statement does illustrate, however, that you have no better understanding of our monetary system than Trump does.
More bullshit.
Your turn today. :wall:
:biggrin:
Obama didn't do this huh? :rolleyes:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/federal-reserve-printing-free-lunch/
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/money_12853.htm
Quote from: me on May 09, 2016, 02:44:41 PM
Obama didn't do this huh? :rolleyes:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/federal-reserve-printing-free-lunch/
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/money_12853.htm
Do you know the difference between figuratively and literally? I'm pretty sure Trump meant literally whereas the comments about Obama were figurative.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 09, 2016, 12:13:02 PM
Everyone can relax! Trump just said that the U.S. never has to worry about defaulting on our debt because we print the money! (http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/donald-trump-national-debt-strategy/index.html) :biggrin:
He is correct, but I'm not certain he really knows why.
I've been pointing out for years the difference between home, city, state, and federal debt/spending, and that - barring the creation of hyperinflation by printing too much money - the federal government cannot go bankrupt as it is the issuer of currency.
That is completely different than the other entities named above.
As far as the U.S. 'debt', it's primarily .gov owes .gov, with the rest held by other creditors:
http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/who-holds-the-note-look-in-the-mirror-infographic
Quote from: Exterminator on May 09, 2016, 03:56:12 PM
Do you know the difference between figuratively and literally? I'm pretty sure Trump meant literally whereas the comments about Obama were figurative.
You really are in your own little world aren't you. This does not look figuratively to me. Oh, and notice this isn't Fox News. Read the article, both of them.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/federal-reserve-printing-free-lunch/
I heard from the pie-hole of the Rump himself on NPR just this afternoon: "Debt is a good thing. I'd never be afraid to borrow money if I were President. If the bottom drops out you can always make a deal." . . .
Does nothing to alleviate my suspicions that he will run the old "turn and burn" on the U.S. and borrow a shitpot full of money and leave the peasants holding the bag. . . :mad:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on May 06, 2016, 12:44:36 PM
Although I believe that the democrats are going to try to do the same thing F'ing thing if Bernie continues to gain momentum........I am starting to get a sour taste in my mouth...like the bile is backing up, But, I tend to agree ONCE again, that there is indeed a group of "elitist" GOP'ers that demonstrating assholism to it's finest!
Paul Ryan is SUPPOSED to be UNITING the party, then says he is NOT QUITE ready to support the candidate that the voters strongly indicate the next presidential nominee....Newt pretty much bitch slapped Paul Ryan....
These same ass wipes was ready to kick Trump out at the very beginning if he didn't "pledge his support" to the GOP........so, he does...........then proceeds to kick 16 nominees's asses to the curb, one by one.......takes the vast majority of the states, and gathers MILLIONS and MILLIONS of new voters to the party.........despite, these same buttcrusts trying every thing they can to keep him from winning..........
It is time to lick their freakin wounds, put on their big boy pants, and focus on winning this election................
Once again, allow me to point out how much you don't know about the political parties and our government.
First off,
"The national political parties are non-profit corporations, exempt from taxes under the IRS code as 527 organizations.";
"the national parties in the US are actually umbrella groups, with member parties from the 50 states, DC and the territories. How any local party may be structured can be different, based on state laws."As such, they are private 'clubs/associations' which can determine their own rules, platform, etc., and actually decide who is, or isn't, a member by whether they follow the party's rules and adhere to the party's platform and/or basic principles, AND can require loyalty oaths etc..
Therefore, the people voting for Trump are primarily just expressing a preference - a preference that can be ignored in the long run by the national party should they deem it necessary.
That's why you have such an uproar by the party hierarchy over Trump. They don't see him as adhering to the party's platform and basic principles, and yet do see him as exploiting the current rules to run as a Republican.
Secondly, the Democratic party is basically the same. It's also a private 'club/association'.
Last, but not least, the Founding Fathers themselves place no faith in the 'masses' and deliberately organized our Federal election process to at least minimize the effect of the proletariat on elections. That's why we have Electors and why our Presidential elections are decided by Electoral - and not Popular - votes.
You don't understand all of that for the same reasons you continue to fall for the 'Argumentum ad Populum' (Latin for "appeal to the people") - AKA: Appeal to Popularity - you think that because the masses may agree with it, or choose it, that it's 'right'.
Well, it's STILL a fallacy.
Quote from: Palehorse on May 09, 2016, 05:37:10 PM
I heard from the pie-hole of the Rump himself on NPR just this afternoon: "Debt is a good thing. I'd never be afraid to borrow money if I were President.
Federal spending using debt is one of the few ways .gov can actually stimulate the economy, and restricting spending and eliminating debt actually throttles the economy.
For example, look at what austerity measures have done to economies world wide.
The U.S. should be spending whatever it takes on our failing infrastructure - which would in turn stimulate the national economy, a win-win. That's a failure you can blame on both the Repugs and Toilet Paper Party idjits with their ridiculous economic policies.
;D
(https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13100818_1193274020717578_8127892613078909268_n.jpg?oh=285b13b1b1b996aa1439e7435b1a2a44&oe=57E6E1E6)
Quote from: me on May 09, 2016, 05:29:49 PM
You really are in your own little world aren't you.
LOL! You are truly delusional about your place in the world.
Regarding going to public toilets: I'm sure Trump, when he is crowned king elected POTUS, will tell us what we really need to know. But in the meantime, he has more important things to deal with. The following is from
The Washington Post, Saturday, May 14, 2016: Front Page:
"Trump's art of the spiel: Deliver it yourself
Candidate posed as own PR spokesman for years, journalists and aides say
By Marc Fisher and Will Hobson
BUSTED: Trump Caught Posing as His Own Publicist to Brag about Himself (AUDIO)
Nathan Wellman | May 13, 2016
The voice is instantly familiar; the tone confident, even cocky; the cadence, distinctly Trumplan. The man on the phone vigorously defending Donald Trump says he's a media spokesman named John Miller, but then he says, "I'm sort of new here: and I'm somebody that he knows and I think somebody that he trusts and likes" and even "I'm going to do this a little, part time, and then, yeah, go on with my life."
A recording obtained by The Washington Post captures what New York reporters and editors who covered Trump's career experienced in the 1970s, '80s and '90s; calls from Trump's Manhattan office that resulted in conversations with "John Miller" or "John Barron" -- public-relations men who sound precisely like Trump himself -- who indeed are Trump masquerading as an unusually helpful and boastful advocate for himself, according to the journalists and several of Trump's top aides. "
www.washingtonpost.com
And that is important because?
Quote from: me on May 16, 2016, 12:03:08 PM
And that is important because?
Because he lied about it then and when asked about it last week, he lied about it again? With all of the hoopla from conservatives about Hillary being a liar, this should raise some eyebrows.
Quote from: Exterminator on May 16, 2016, 12:21:39 PM
Because he lied about it then and when asked about it last week, he lied about it again? With all of the hoopla from conservatives about Hillary being a liar, this should raise some eyebrows.
And his lie harmed the country, or people, in what way? He was not in a government position and it did not affect lives or reputations of anyone, was not done under oath due to an investigation, plus it was 30 years ago. I do not like Trump but that's a bull shit story meant to create something to distract from Hillary's problems. Like old Hill said, "at this point what does it matter"?
Quote from: me on May 16, 2016, 12:53:07 PM
And his lie harmed the country, or people, in what way? He was not in a government position and it did not affect lives or reputations of anyone, was not done under oath due to an investigation, plus it was 30 years ago. I do not like Trump but that's a bull shit story meant to create something to distract from Hillary's problems. Like old Hill said, "at this point what does it matter"?
As many times as you've been caught spreading lies here, it isn't surprising that you would so easily dismiss his lack of integrity. You sure do defend him a lot for someone who claims not to like him!
Quote from: Exterminator on May 16, 2016, 01:14:11 PM
As many times as you've been caught spreading lies here, it isn't surprising that you would so easily dismiss his lack of integrity. You sure do defend him a lot for someone who claims not to like him!
This is a bullshit discussion which means nothing in the overall scheme of things. Now if you wish to discuss things that matter fine but this is a waste of time. I do not like Trump but given a choice, if it comes down to either him or Hillary, I will vote for Trump, grudgingly, but I would.
Quote from: me on May 16, 2016, 01:37:13 PM
This is a bullshit discussion which means nothing in the overall scheme of things. Now if you wish to discuss things that matter fine but this is a waste of time. I do not like Trump but given a choice, if it comes down to either him or Hillary, I will vote for Trump, grudgingly, but I would.
:rolleyes: :confused: :spooked: :eek:
Quote from: me on May 16, 2016, 01:37:13 PM
This is a bullshit discussion which means nothing in the overall scheme of things. Now if you wish to discuss things that matter fine but this is a waste of time. I do not like Trump but given a choice, if it comes down to either him or Hillary, I will vote for Trump, grudgingly, but I would.
So Honey Wagon :gorgeous: still has her head up her ass. :haha: :haha: :kiss: :kiss:
Quote from: The Troll on May 16, 2016, 09:13:52 PM
So Honey Wagon :gorgeous: still has her head up her ass. :haha: :haha: :kiss: :kiss:
:finger01: :finger2: