2016 Republican Presidential Candidates

[Locutus]

"The reason that we fought the [American] Revolution in the 16th century — was to get away from that kind of onerous crown, if you will." —Rick Perry

"It's a theory that's out there. It's got some gaps in it. In Texas we teach both Creationism and evolution." –Rick Perry

"Juarez is reported to be the most dangerous city in America." –Rick Perry

"I am a firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect, and I believe it should be presented in schools alongside the theories of evolution." —Rick Perry

[Locutus]

How many more do you need 'me'?

Rick Perry is an idiot.  No wonder he doesn't have any cash/supporters. 

[Locutus]

I don't think the federal government has a role in your children's education." –Rick Perry

We've even debunked that crap somewhere around here before.  The list just goes on, and on, and on, and on. 

[AbbyTC]

Here's another good one by Mr. Perry.  "Those of you that will be 21 by November the 12th, I ask for your support and your vote."   

[me]

I don't think the federal government has a role in your children's education." –Rick Perry

We've even debunked that crap somewhere around here before.  The list just goes on, and on, and on, and on.

Things were just fine before the Federal government got involved so why should it be any different now.

[Purplelady1040]

I don't think the federal government has a role in your children's education." –Rick Perry

We've even debunked that crap somewhere around here before.  The list just goes on, and on, and on, and on.

Yep, he is an idiot!

[me]

I went to school before the federal government got involved and everyone had to actually learn something to get passed to the next grade rather than just pass to keep from hurting someones feelings or making them feel inferior and there were very few, if any, open book tests. If you misbehaved you were sent to detention class not excused because you "had a bad childhood" and allowed to get by with it. If teachers didn't perform well they were fired. Look what we have now. Kids are passed whether they learn or not because they're scared for life if they're made to feel inferior, open book testing or having a computer to get the answers, no disipline, and teachers who, in a lot of cases, could care less, and the threat of money/funding being withheld if you stray from the federal rules and guidelines. Oh, and then there's the lowering of testing standards so "everyone" should be able to pass and get into a college. Didn't everyone attend the same classes and weren't they given the same lessons? Why lower the test standards? Teachers can no longer be fired for under performing because of unions or tenure so they continue to teach and get paid even though they are less than effective. Ya, the federal government sure is essential in running the schools. NOT!!!!!

[Purplelady1040]

I went to school before the federal government got involved and everyone had to actually learn something to get passed to the next grade rather than just pass to keep from hurting someones feelings or making them feel inferior and there were very few, if any, open book tests. If you misbehaved you were sent to detention class not excused because you "had a bad childhood" and allowed to get by with it. If teachers didn't perform well they were fired. Look what we have now. Kids are passed whether they learn or not because they're scared for life if they're made to feel inferior, open book testing or having a computer to get the answers, no disipline, and teachers who, in a lot of cases, could care less, and the threat of money/funding being withheld if you stray from the federal rules and guidelines. Oh, and then there's the lowering of testing standards so "everyone" should be able to pass and get into a college. Didn't everyone attend the same classes and weren't they given the same lessons? Why lower the test standards? Teachers can no longer be fired for under performing because of unions or tenure so they continue to teach and get paid even though they are less than effective. Ya, the federal government sure is essential in running the schools. NOT!!!!!

Wrong, teachers can be fired for under performing, even tenured teachers. Now schools are going to performance in teachers for evaluations on them. Several teachers have been fired and even tenured teachers. Tenured means nothing these days!

[Bo D]

I went to school before the federal government got involved

WOW!!! Talk about idiots!!!

Did you go to school before 1785?

http://lwv.org/content/history-federal-government-public-education-where-have-we-been-and-how-did-we-get-here

From the very beginning of our Republic, a well-educated citizenry was thought to be essential to protect liberty and the general welfare of the people. Even before the Constitution was established, the Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 included responsibilities of the nation for an education system. Education has long been considered a national concern by the federal government. Through federal action, education has been encouraged and financially supported from the first Northwest Ordinance in 1785 to the present. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.

everyone had to actually learn something

Looks like you still missed out on that. 

[me]

WOW!!! Talk about idiots!!!

Did you go to school before 1785?

http://lwv.org/content/history-federal-government-public-education-where-have-we-been-and-how-did-we-get-here

From the very beginning of our Republic, a well-educated citizenry was thought to be essential to protect liberty and the general welfare of the people. Even before the Constitution was established, the Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 included responsibilities of the nation for an education system. Education has long been considered a national concern by the federal government. Through federal action, education has been encouraged and financially supported from the first Northwest Ordinance in 1785 to the present. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.

Looks like you still missed out on that. 

They weren't as involved at least. There were no snow makeup days, threats of withholding funds, or any of that crap even when my kids went to school. My oldest daughter did have an English teacher who kept a bottle of whiskey in her desk drawer, my daughter said she was drunk in class, that I complained about and they couldn't fire her, even though they knew about it, because she was tenured. She was not a good teacher either. My daughter was an honor student and wanted to learn so they just switched her to another class with a teacher who cared. Tell me how education is better now with the feds dictating how things should be. Explain to me why, if it's better, kids graduate and some can't give correct change without the register telling them the amount, or can't read or spell worth a crap.

uring the first century of our new nation, Congress granted more than 77 million acres of the public domain as an endowment for the support of public schools through tracts ceded to the states.  In 1841, Congress passed an act that granted 500,000 acres to eight states and later increased land grants to a total of 19 states. The federal government also granted money, such as distributions of surplus federal revenue and reimbursements for war expenses, to states. Though Congress rarely prescribed that such funds be used only for schools, education continued to be one of the largest expenses of state and local governments so the states used federal funds whenever possible for education.

Two of our constitutional amendments played an important role in public education. In 1791, the 10th Amendment stated, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."  Public education was not mentioned as one of those federal powers, and so historically has been delegated to the local and state governments.

[Bo D]

They weren't as involved at least. There were no snow makeup days, threats of withholding funds, or any of that crap even when my kids went to school. My oldest daughter did have an English teacher who kept a bottle of whiskey in her desk drawer, my daughter said she was drunk in class, that I complained about and they couldn't fire her, even though they knew about it, because she was tenured. She was not a good teacher either. My daughter was an honor student and wanted to learn so they just switched her to another class with a teacher who cared. Tell me how education is better now with the feds dictating how things should be. Explain to me why, if it's better, kids graduate and some can't give correct change without the register telling them the amount, or can't read or spell worth a crap.

But you wrote "I went to school before the federal government got involved" which is obviously a lie.

You also wrote "everyone had to actually learn something" which is at best an exaggeration. As you seem to have missed out on quite a bit.

Are you saying that education was better when you were in school, when it's obvious that you can't even construct a proper sentence?

[me]

But you wrote "I went to school before the federal government got involved" which is obviously a lie.

You also wrote "everyone had to actually learn something" which is at best an exaggeration. As you seem to have missed out on quite a bit.

Are you saying that education was better when you were in school, when it's obvious that you can't even construct a proper sentence?

Ok, let's start the personal attack rather than sticking to the subject at hand. No, you didn't "have" to learn but you didn't pass to the next grade if you didn't and you also didn't graduate.

[Bo D]

Ok, let's start the personal attack rather than sticking to the subject at hand. No, you didn't "have" to learn but you didn't pass to the next grade if you didn't and you also didn't graduate.

OK. Then admit you lied when you wrote "I went to school before the federal government got involved"

[Exterminator]

Ok, let's start the personal attack rather than sticking to the subject at hand.

That is the subject at hand.  You claim the educational system was better when it's clear that it was and still is possible to make it through the entire system never having learned to correctly conjugate the most basic verbs in the English language.

[Exterminator]

Here's a perfect example:

No, what you seen was a pic of him as a sweet innocent child who was shot by a nasty policeofficer.