2016 Republican Presidential Candidates

[me]

OK. Then admit you lied when you wrote "I went to school before the federal government got involved"

That was not a lie I misspoke, they weren't "as" involved.

[qote]uring the first century of our new nation, Congress granted more than 77 million acres of the public domain as an endowment for the support of public schools through tracts ceded to the states.  In 1841, Congress passed an act that granted 500,000 acres to eight states and later increased land grants to a total of 19 states. The federal government also granted money, such as distributions of surplus federal revenue and reimbursements for war expenses, to states. Though Congress rarely prescribed that such funds be used only for schools, education continued to be one of the largest expenses of state and local governments so the states used federal funds whenever possible for education.

Two of our constitutional amendments played an important role in public education. In 1791, the 10th Amendment stated, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."  Public education was not mentioned as one of those federal powers, and so historically has been delegated to the local and state governments.[/quote]

Yes, I fully understand what the lower quote says but no where does it say they have a right to withhold funds if the states don't abide by their rules and regulations. That is infringing on states rights.

[qote]From the very beginning of our Republic, a well-educated citizenry was thought to be essential to protect liberty and the general welfare of the people. Even before the Constitution was established, the Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 included responsibilities of the nation for an education system. Education has long been considered a national concern by the federal government. Through federal action, education has been encouraged and financially supported from the first Northwest Ordinance in 1785 to the present. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.[/quote]

[Bo D]

That was not a lie I misspoke, they weren't "as" involved.

AHA! So ignorance is claimed which proves the point that education when you went to school was no better than it is now.

As to the rest, you let the summary statement fly right over what seems to be your empty head ...

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.

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[me]

AHA! So ignorance is claimed which proves the point that education when you went to school was no better than it is now.

As to the rest, you let the summary statement fly right over what seems to be your empty head ...

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution granted Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States. It is under this "general welfare" clause that the federal government has assumed the power to initiate educational activity in its own right and to participate jointly with states, agencies and individuals in educational activities.

But they still weren't into it as much then as they are now. Even when my kids went to school, the last one graduated in '82', the government wasn't as involved as they are now, and no I'm not saying just since the current administration. All the really stupid B S seems to have started sometime in the 90's.

[Bo D]

But they still weren't into it as much then as they are now. Even when my kids went to school, the last one graduated in '82', the government wasn't as involved as they are now, and no I'm not saying just since the current administration. All the really stupid B S seems to have started sometime in the 90's.

Oh, for Christ sakes! I remember standardized testing all the way back to when I was in elem school in the 50's. And remember the Modern Math mandate of the early 60's? Of course you don't!

You went to school before 1785. 

[Purplelady1040]

But they still weren't into it as much then as they are now. Even when my kids went to school, the last one graduated in '82', the government wasn't as involved as they are now, and no I'm not saying just since the current administration. All the really stupid B S seems to have started sometime in the 90's.

Really, because I graduated in '82 and we had standardized testing and the government was involved. They have always been involved in educational testing and plans. You can say they aren't but they are. As someone who had a parent who was a teacher and friends who teach, they can tell me that every time they turn around that there was, has and is new referendums for education!

[Purplelady1040]

Oh, for Christ sakes! I remember standardized testing all the way back to when I was in elem school in the 50's. And remember the Modern Math mandate of the early 60's? Of course you don't!

You went to school before 1785. 

There were testing back in the 70's and 80's when I was in school! It was called achievement tests back in the day!!
There has been Singapore Math and now Simple Solutions Math! Lol

[me]

Yes, there has always been testing and yes, it was standardized but the standards were not lowered so everyone should be able to pass it and those who didn't didn't graduate or move to the next grade. There was disipline and the teachers didn't have to put up with unruley students nor would they. The federal government wasn't as involved as they are now. Also what is it about this part that you seem to have missed?

During the first century of our new nation, Congress granted more than 77 million acres of the public domain as an endowment for the support of public schools through tracts ceded to the states.  In 1841, Congress passed an act that granted 500,000 acres to eight states and later increased land grants to a total of 19 states. The federal government also granted money, such as distributions of surplus federal revenue and reimbursements for war expenses, to states. Though Congress rarely prescribed that such funds be used only for schools, education continued to be one of the largest expenses of state and local governments so the states used federal funds whenever possible for education.

Two of our constitutional amendments played an important role in public education. In 1791, the 10th Amendment stated, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."  Public education was not mentioned as one of those federal powers, and so historically has been delegated to the local and state governments.

[Anne]

I graduated in 1964 (yes, I am old) and the only standardized tests I remember were the ACT, PSAT and SAT. I remember kids getting held back in grade school and kids who didn't have enough of the right credits not graduating with their class.

[Bo D]

I graduated in 1964 (yes, I am old) and the only standardized tests I remember were the ACT, PSAT and SAT. I remember kids getting held back in grade school and kids who didn't have enough of the right credits not graduating with their class.

I graduated in 1969 and I can remember standardized tests all the way back to at least third grade. I remember Ms. Brooks showing me where I scored against the national average. 

[Anne]

I graduated in 1969 and I can remember standardized tests all the way back to at least third grade. I remember Ms. Brooks showing me where I scored against the national average. 

I went to township (read country) schools. I do remember taking an "IQ" test in grade school but we weren't told the result but our parents could get the numbers. At the time I thought the number was low, but my parents and teacher were pleased.

[libby]

I went to township (read country) schools. I do remember taking an "IQ" test in grade school but we weren't told the result but our parents could get the numbers. At the time I thought the number was low, but my parents and teacher were pleased.

Same thing happened to me. I remember the tests, including the IQ one. I got special attention from the teachers after that  -- I thought it was because one of the questions was about Tecumseh and I knew who he was because I had just finished reading a little book about him.

[me]

Oh, for Christ sakes! I remember standardized testing all the way back to when I was in elem school in the 50's. And remember the Modern Math mandate of the early 60's? Of course you don't!

You went to school before 1785. 

Now show me where I said they didn't have standardized testing. I said they have now lowered the standards so almost everyone can pass just as they have lowered the standards to get into some colleges. Yes, I took a test each semester and those who didn't pass at the end of the year were held back and those who didn't pass the one at the end of grade 12 didn't graduate. In today's world kids need to learn both with technolog and without. If, heaven forbid, something should happen and they had to figure out how to function without all the devices available today they wouldn't make it.

[Exterminator]

I said they have now lowered the standards so almost everyone can pass just as they have lowered the standards to get into some colleges.

Please provide your source for this tripe.

[Exterminator]

Please provide your source for this tripe.

And...crickets...

[Exterminator]

Bad lip reading of the Republican debate.