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Purplelady1040

#75
May 19, 2015, 07:22:24 PM
What are your opinions of Dr. Ben Carson? He believes in a hard work ethic but not sure his other political views.

Locutus

#76
May 19, 2015, 07:40:34 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on May 18, 2015, 06:25:08 PM
He's skeered to say he's running too. Keeps acting like he is but won't say it.  :biggrin:

He's not scared.  He knows exactly what he's doing.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

#77
May 19, 2015, 07:43:22 PM
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Palehorse

#78
May 19, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
His views on Gun Control, Gay Marriage, and "End of Life Care" will ensure he does NOT get the nomination for POTUS out of the GOP. Those three issues alone are volatile ones and his viewpoints are 180 degrees from the party line. (Example: His position on end of life care- "Decisions on who should be treated and who should not be treated would clearly require some national guidelines", which is aligned directly against the prevalent propaganda the GOP used in fighting the ACA).

His support of a "flat tax" will rile big business in this country, effectively drying up his campaign war chest revenue flow.

His support for a tax-exempt health savings account created at birth, that can be bequeathed at death, along with an electronic medical record and birth certificate, will not go over well with the GOP either.

His performance in the GOP's own "straw polls has him finishing behind the likes of extremists Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, as well as Santorum consistently; which should tell anyone watching such things which way the party is leaning on the "issues", and what those "issues" are. Carson will not do well at all.

His position on evolution goes directly against his self proclaimed status as a "man of science trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data."

He has waffled on several of these issues when called out on them within public venues, just like every other politician has; which is an indication of what he will do should he actually become POTUS. (Bow to the pressure that comes to bear from big business and special interests; which is likely the only thing he really has going for him in this quest from the GOP perspective).

In short, he is noise being encouraged by the party movers and shakers, so that they can point to him as an example of their "embracing diversity", and nothing more. If anything, his candidacy will serve no purpose other than to dilute the process in order to increase the likelihood of one of the more extremist candidates of obtaining the endorsement .
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Locutus

#79
May 19, 2015, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: Palehorse on May 19, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
His views on Gun Control, Gay Marriage, and "End of Life Care" will ensure he does NOT get the nomination for POTUS out of the GOP. Those three issues alone are volatile ones and his viewpoints are 180 degrees from the party line. (Example: His position on end of life care- "Decisions on who should be treated and who should not be treated would clearly require some national guidelines", which is aligned directly against the prevalent propaganda the GOP used in fighting the ACA).

His support of a "flat tax" will rile big business in this country, effectively drying up his campaign war chest revenue flow.

His support for a tax-exempt health savings account created at birth, that can be bequeathed at death, along with an electronic medical record and birth certificate, will not go over well with the GOP either.

His performance in the GOP's own "straw polls has him finishing behind the likes of extremists Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, as well as Santorum consistently; which should tell anyone watching such things which way the party is leaning on the "issues", and what those "issues" are. Carson will not do well at all.

His position on evolution goes directly against his self proclaimed status as a "man of science trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data."

He has waffled on several of these issues when called out on them within public venues, just like every other politician has; which is an indication of what he will do should he actually become POTUS. (Bow to the pressure that comes to bear from big business and special interests; which is likely the only thing he really has going for him in this quest from the GOP perspective).

In short, he is noise being encouraged by the party movers and shakers, so that they can point to him as an example of their "embracing diversity", and nothing more. If anything, his candidacy will serve no purpose other than to dilute the process in order to increase the likelihood of one of the more extremist candidates of obtaining the endorsement .


This was to the Carson question, correct?
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Palehorse

#80
May 20, 2015, 06:51:55 AM
Quote from: Locutus on May 19, 2015, 09:25:37 PM
This was to the Carson question, correct?

Correct. Sorry, should have quoted it.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Purplelady1040

#81
May 20, 2015, 07:22:22 AM
Quote from: Palehorse on May 19, 2015, 07:49:52 PM
His views on Gun Control, Gay Marriage, and "End of Life Care" will ensure he does NOT get the nomination for POTUS out of the GOP. Those three issues alone are volatile ones and his viewpoints are 180 degrees from the party line. (Example: His position on end of life care- "Decisions on who should be treated and who should not be treated would clearly require some national guidelines", which is aligned directly against the prevalent propaganda the GOP used in fighting the ACA).

His support of a "flat tax" will rile big business in this country, effectively drying up his campaign war chest revenue flow.

His support for a tax-exempt health savings account created at birth, that can be bequeathed at death, along with an electronic medical record and birth certificate, will not go over well with the GOP either.

His performance in the GOP's own "straw polls has him finishing behind the likes of extremists Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, as well as Santorum consistently; which should tell anyone watching such things which way the party is leaning on the "issues", and what those "issues" are. Carson will not do well at all.

His position on evolution goes directly against his self proclaimed status as a "man of science trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data."

He has waffled on several of these issues when called out on them within public venues, just like every other politician has; which is an indication of what he will do should he actually become POTUS. (Bow to the pressure that comes to bear from big business and special interests; which is likely the only thing he really has going for him in this quest from the GOP perspective).

In short, he is noise being encouraged by the party movers and shakers, so that they can point to him as an example of their "embracing diversity", and nothing more. If anything, his candidacy will serve no purpose other than to dilute the process in order to increase the likelihood of one of the more extremist candidates of obtaining the endorsement .
I thought the same thing on some of his views but couldn't express them as well as you! I can respect that he worked hard to get where he is and to be a pediatric neurologist is a whole different type of person but I want someone who has a clear vision!

Exterminator

#82
May 20, 2015, 01:08:50 PM
Doesn't really matter what his views are; he isn't white, ergo, will never get the Republican nomination.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Purplelady1040

#83
May 20, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 20, 2015, 01:08:50 PM
Doesn't really matter what his views are; he isn't white, ergo, will never get the Republican nomination.
I don't know about that. They have backed several in other positions who are of different races. As long as the person can do the job, race shouldn't matter. After all, Allen West is Republican and even though he was defeated, he was well thought of by Republicans.

Exterminator

#84
May 20, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 20, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
I don't know about that. They have backed several in other positions who are of different races. As long as the person can do the job, race shouldn't matter. After all, Allen West is Republican and even though he was defeated, he was well thought of by Republicans.

We're talking about the POTUS...not going to happen.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Purplelady1040

#85
May 20, 2015, 03:03:58 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 20, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
We're talking about the POTUS...not going to happen.
It may, may not be Carson but it may happen. May not be this election but it may come!

Exterminator

#86
May 20, 2015, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 20, 2015, 03:03:58 PM
It may, may not be Carson but it may happen. May not be this election but it may come!

It may but given the current political landscape, it won't be happening any time soon.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Y

#87
May 20, 2015, 03:28:25 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on May 20, 2015, 01:47:29 PM
We're talking about the POTUS...not going to happen.

Quote from: Exterminator on May 20, 2015, 03:13:23 PM
It may but given the current political landscape, it won't be happening any time soon.

I agree with you.

There will have to be wholesale change in the makeup of the Republican party.  As the current makeup stands, it's FAR too RW, white, and racist.  Until that changes, the party will manipulate and use their lone colored faces as little hand puppets being waved around so as to say "see, we're diversified!", but the party will neither nominate them nor elect them.
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Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Y

#88
May 20, 2015, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: Purplelady1040 on May 20, 2015, 01:35:57 PM
I don't know about that. They have backed several in other positions who are of different races. As long as the person can do the job, race shouldn't matter. After all, Allen West is Republican and even though he was defeated, he was well thought of by Republicans.

Allen West - just like Ben Carson - is a crazy whacknut. 

If you've ever listened or read the stupid things he says, you'd be glad he couldn't get elected.  He's a crazy authoritarian - and worse - to the core.

Carson is a prime example of a person who can be technically adept but a real crackpot.  That idiot actually thinks the planet is only a few thousand years old.

Those are the types of blacks the RW flaunts and encourages - the types that couldn't get elected president on a bet.
©  Whamma-Jamma - all rights reserved

Law of Logical Argument - Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about.  ;)

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.  ;)

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

"Hitler is gone, but if the majority of our fellow citizens are more susceptible to the slogans of fear and race hatred than to those of peaceful accommodation and mutual respect among human beings, our political liberties remain at the mercy of any eloquent and unscrupulous demagogue." -- S. I. Hayakawa

Locutus

#89
May 20, 2015, 06:31:57 PM
Quote from: Y on May 20, 2015, 03:55:55 PM
Allen West - just like Ben Carson - is a crazy whacknut. 

If you've ever listened or read the stupid things he says, you'd be glad he couldn't get elected.  He's a crazy authoritarian - and worse - to the core.


He sure is!  He is a former resident of South Florida, so I know more than most just how true those words are Y.
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson
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