2016 Republican Presidential Candidates

[Henry Hawk]

The same magazines that praised her also said she was useless so Forbes magazine and Buisness Week are rumor mills and in 2009, is when they made this claim.

You are making my point.

[Purplelady1040]

You are making my point.

Not really.

[Henry Hawk]

Not really.

Yeah, you guys want to use those sources when it was bashing her, then not use them when they praised her.

[me]

WFT?

It was ten years ago! She was forced to resign! She laid off 30,000 people at HP while outsourcing jobs. She was booed at company meetings. While she was CEO, HP's stock prices fell by 65% and its debt nearly doubled.

She has been ranked as one of the worst American (or tech) CEOs of all time.

How can you defend that?

Uh, she didn't outsource the jobs because it was after she was replaced that the tech calls started being answered by non English speaking people I was using them during that time period. They had English speaking techs until sometime in 2013. If it happened befire that there were still enough tech support centers here that the calls were being answered by people who spoke English who didn't have a foreign accent.

[Bo D]

Uh, she didn't outsource the jobs because it was after she was replaced that the tech calls started being answered by non English speaking people I was using them during that time period. They had English speaking techs until sometime in 2013.

No they didn't.

In January 2004, Fiorina provocatively told Congress, "There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore."

Fiorina was accused of off-shoring thousands of HP jobs, and making the workers who lost their jobs train their overseas replacements.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/carly-fiorina-presidential-ambitions-follow-a-terrible-record-at-hp-2015-3#ixzz3at0ZJQ4k

[Exterminator]

There you go using facts again!   

[Henry Hawk]

If anything, I have learned to choose my battles........I don't think she is worth battling over.  Even though she may be a brilliant woman on many aspects.....she dug her grave on this one.

[Purplelady1040]

Yeah, you guys want to use those sources when it was bashing her, then not use them when they praised her.

No, I showed what both said but really Time was the only article that praised.her. The others didn't

[Henry Hawk]

No, I showed what both said but really Time was the only article that praised.her. The others didn't

First of all,  Forbes and Fortune DID PRAISE HER....
Forbes also named tenth on the list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women...
and at one time Fortune magazine ranked Fiorina as "most powerful woman in business"...

Time was one of the one's that called her the Worst CEO of all time....

[Bo D]

First of all,  Forbes and Fortune DID PRAISE HER....
Forbes also named tenth on the list of The World's 100 Most Powerful Women...
and at one time Fortune magazine ranked Fiorina as "most powerful woman in business"...

Time was one of the one's that called her the Worst CEO of all time....

And two days before HP fired her, Forbes blasted her for her "failing policies" at HP.

Besides, I say again ... wtf does Most Powerful have to do with anything? As I said before, Kanye West and Kim Jong-un also made that "most powerful" list. Would you vote for them?

[libby]

Carly's husband, "a regular guy," has been trying to humanize her (and himself) by playing the devoted husband shopping for toilet paper and other ordinary people items at Costco and comparing himself to Bill Clinton.  The following, along with a big picture of him at a local Costco, was on the front page of the Style section of yesterday's Washington Post:

Frank Fiorina: A regular guy tries on the role of campaign spouse

By Ben Terris
May 20 at 9:57 PM

Frank Fiorina, husband of Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina, takes his place in the checkout line after shopping at a Costco in Woodbridge last week.
(Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

Frank Fiorina trudged through the aisles of Costco one day last week with a press handler, a photographer and a newspaper reporter. It wasn't his idea, and the whole thing made him feel odd.

"This is really weird, you guys," he told his entourage while picking up a 30-pack of double-ply Kirkland-brand toilet paper. He was a regular at the store, but this was the first time he had gone shopping in service to political journalism. "I don't know how long you want this to go on, but usually I can do my shopping pretty quick."

As the husband of Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard executive now running for president, Fiorina plays an important role for the campaign. Political spouses typically find themselves referred to as a candidate's "secret weapon," trusted with "humanizing" their otherwise remote/robotic/pompous partners. Is it sexist to reduce women to little more than props for their politically ambitious husbands? Is it silly to call someone who has a public role on a campaign a "secret"? Can the new crop of political husbands escape the burdens of playing campaign humanizer? Yes, yes and no.

"I think that's evident by me walking around Costco talking to a reporter," Fiorina said, looking for a replacement electric toothbrush for his wife.

[What happens when a man takes over the job of first lady?]

Carly Fiorina — who hardly registers in national polls -- is an executive who fired more than 30,000 employees during her time at HP. She could stand a little humanizing. Frank Fiorina understands this, and he's ready to play the part. He knows the shopping habits of his cohort are highly scrutinized. (What is this millionaire doing buying discount toilet paper?)

He's read the stories about Columba Bush and her expensive taste in jewelry.

Fiorina, 65, is a sturdily built man, with graying hair combed back on a block-like head and a somewhat taciturn manner. He has been known to carry a gun for his wife's protection. They live in a $6.1 million house in Virginia. "I told my neighbor I was doing an interview at Costco," he said. "At first he thought I was applying for a job, and then he couldn't stop laughing at me when I told him it was with you."

Of course, Fiorina isn't the only potential first dude in the race. There's that other guy, Bill Clinton, one of the most dynamic politicians of a generation and one of the only people Fiorina says he's ever been intimidated by.

"He's one of the smartest people in the world," Fiorina said. Clinton can hold audiences in the palm of his hand; he jokes that if he becomes the "first man," he'd like to go by Adam — get it? Fiorina is a much more quiet presence. He doesn't have a preferred variation on first gentleman.

"I'll go by Frank," he said.
Fiorina grew up "a poor boy from Pittsburgh" working for his dad's auto body shop. He played guitar in a rock band called the Aristocrats, lost his hearing in his left ear, drove a tow truck and landed a job as a technician for AT&T at $99 a week.

You don't have to imagine this story becoming part of the 2016 narrative. Carly Fiorina has already used it. "My husband, Frank, has lived the American story," she said during a New Hampshire appearance earlier this year.

The job at AT&T got its claws into him, and "they dragged me along all the way to executive level," Fiorina said, pausing in front of a towering pile of bottled water. He was a manager when he met Carly Sneed, an ambitious young employee in the government communications department who wanted his help on a project involving conference call technology. After the project, Fiorina asked her out.

"By the third date I knew she was going to be running the company," he said. The third date also involved a lot of making out, he volunteered. Well, there's some humanizing for you. Fiorina has been cast by the campaign as the regular Joe you'd want to have a beer with, the guy who might just tell a reporter a charming story about a long-ago game of tonsil hockey. (Still, Fiorina knows not to say anything that hasn't been vetted. "I remember looking out of the car windows and not being able to see anything," Carly Fiorina recently told "Today" about that third date. Okay, you two, that's enough.)

They wed in 1985, and together the two raised his daughters from a previous marriage, Lori Ann and Tracy. Frank Fiorina's third-date assessment was only a little wrong: She rose to the top of Hewlett-Packard instead, the first female head of a Fortune 20 company. Frank, who, like Carly, saw an earlier marriage end in divorce, worried he would never see his wife again. He decided he couldn't have it all and retired at the age of 48.

"I caught a lot of flak from friends," Fiorina said, stopping in the toothpaste and mouthwash aisle. "As far as family, the only person who expressed an opinion was my father-in-law. He could not understand how I could give up my career. He was really upset about it, and it took him years before he got over it."

The move was "incredibly tough," but he filled the time by volunteering as an emergency medical technician and later driving a bus for a children's hospital.

Then everything changed.

After a stock plummet and devastating layoffs, the HP board fired Carly and gave her a $21 million severance package to leave.

Then, in 2009, Carly was diagnosed with breast cancer, and Lori Ann died after a long struggle with drug addiction.

[Carly Fiorina: 'Drug addiction shouldn't be criminalized.']

"Honestly, it was a bad time in my life," Fiorina says, pausing in front of bulk snack foods. He waited as a shopper walked past and tried to ignore the clicking of the camera. It was 10:30 in the morning, and he was leaning on a shopping cart at his local Costco, having to talk about the most difficult thing that had ever happened to him. He continued: ­"I went through a period where I was struggling with what life is all about." What snapped him out of it, he said, was going through old boxes in the garage and finding long-lost cards his daughter had written to him. On his right wrist, he wears a golden bracelet made from the necklace Lori Ann wore the day she died
Fiorina wears a bracelet made from a necklace his daughter was wearing the day she died. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)


As a candidate's husband, Fiorina is amused that a shopping trip is now fodder for political journalism. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

"Carly bought it for her," he said, his throat catching on the emotion that wasn't supposed to show up on this fake shopping trip. The photographer stepped in to get a close-up. "I never used to wear stuff like this."

"What's next on the list?" said campaign spokeswoman Sarah Isgur Flores. A nudge to keep things moving. "The kids like Goldfish!"

The kids are the grandkids — Tracy's children, whom he was headed to visit after this shopping trip. Then he was due home to take care of his and Carly's two Yorkies, Max and Snickers.
[Nine things to know about Carly Fiorina]
Fiorina looked down in his cart. Bottled water, toilet paper, paper towels, cashews, Goldfish and a toothbrush. It took 45 minutes. He worried aloud that this shopping trip would seem so obviously like a bit of political stagecraft that people would think it was a fake. So he pulled out his Costco card — there, proof of his membership since 2003. He paid, and he left.

"I'm glad that's over," he said to Flores as they walked to their car. But really, it's only just begun.
Ben Terris is a writer in the Washington Post's Style section with a focus on national politics.

www.washingtonpost.com

[Purplelady1040]

And two days before HP fired her, Forbes blasted her for her "failing policies" at HP.

Besides, I say again ... wtf does Most Powerful have to do with anything? As I said before, Kanye West and Kim Jong-un also made that "most powerful" list. Would you vote for them?

Exactly, being Most Powerful really doesn't mean shit. It is the same as being on the cover of People, nothing!

[me]

There you go using facts again!   

I used tech support during that time period fool.

[Bo D]

I used tech support during that time period fool.

So did I ... Fool!

And sometimes even today, you can get connected to an American call center.

Facts are Fiorina laid off 30,000 people at HP and outsourced jobs during her tenure there.

This from 2008 ....

At Hewlett Packard, Fiorina oversaw the sheltering of over $14 billion in profits overseas, bringing the companies effective tax rate down from 35% to 12%.

At a recent McCain economic event, Fiorina acknowledged the tax incentives to move offshore and explained that Hewlett Packard "left billions of dollars in cash overseas."

In fact, Fiorina, has shown a consistent callousness towards Americans who have lost their jobs through outsourcing and offshoring:


– During her time as CEO, Fiorina was an outspoken defender of Hewlett-Packard's offshoring, referring to it as "right-shoring."

— In 2004, Carly Fiorina gave a speech in which she said, "there is no job that is America's God-given right anymore."



http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2008/06/20/172248/fiorina-history/

[Exterminator]

I used tech support during that time period fool.

You had to use HP's tech support and I'm the fool?  I built my fucking computer!  LOL!