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2016 Republican Presidential Candidates

Started by Locutus, January 24, 2015, 11:09:31 PM

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Henry Hawk

#510
February 22, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
Quote from: Bo D on February 22, 2016, 03:58:55 PM
Which one has declared bankruptcy more times?  :biggrin:

THAT isn't a crime.   Which one has/is being investigated by the FBI for criminal wrong-doings? :biggrin:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

#511
February 22, 2016, 04:14:17 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
THAT isn't a crime.   

Maybe not, but it sure reveals a lot about his morality and decency. Just ask the people out of work in Atlantic City.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Henry Hawk

#512
February 22, 2016, 04:53:07 PM
Quote from: Bo D on February 22, 2016, 04:14:17 PM
Maybe not, but it sure reveals a lot about his morality and decency. Just ask the people out of work in Atlantic City.
He also managed to save many jobs by going ch 11, and restructured his deal and got it back to a profitable business.

If you are really interested in his morality and decency....google it.  He has done many, many wonderful things for people.  He is a very charitable guy.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Bo D

#513
February 22, 2016, 04:59:29 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 04:53:07 PM
He also managed to save many jobs by going ch 11, and restructured his deal and got it back to a profitable business.




Hank, he did it FOUR TIMES! Tell us how many jobs he saved! How profitable are they now?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Palehorse

#514
February 22, 2016, 05:15:08 PM
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

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Locutus

#515
February 22, 2016, 09:38:42 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 03:36:25 PM
Just because she was a Senator and 'appointed' to Sec of State.....doesn't mean she is qualified.  She may very well go down as the worst SOS in history.

What has she accomplished as a Senator?  The Middle East is imploding.....ISIS is rampart.  She has done a bang up job hasn't she.

Does her being on the brink of being indicted by the FBI make her more qualified?

Trump is twice the leader than Hillary EVER thought about being.  I would LOVE to see the polls on our military, who they trust the most.

Which one has created more jobs in their life time? 

Give me some of what you're smoking.  I understand that you don't like her, nor will your personal biases ever allow you to like her, but to say that Trump is more qualified to be POTUS than she is just shows you're impervious to reality. 
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Locutus

#516
February 22, 2016, 09:47:30 PM
 :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2016, 03:09:49 PM
I don't; it's clearly paraquat!   :biggrin:

:rotfl:  :yes:

I simply can't believe some of the shit he posts.  I really can't.  :dizzy2:
One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

"We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically."  -- Dr. Neil deGrasse Tyson

Exterminator

#517
February 22, 2016, 10:29:10 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
THAT isn't a crime.
Is it moral; is it right?  Is it ok to keep writing off the debts you rack up?  I can maybe see it once, when you're young but to use it as your escape route for your bad decisions.  Are you saying you think that's ok?
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#518
February 23, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2016, 10:29:10 PM
Is it moral; is it right?  Is it ok to keep writing off the debts you rack up?  I can maybe see it once, when you're young but to use it as your escape route for your bad decisions.  Are you saying you think that's ok?

I think that CH 11, which is what Trump filed for four times, is a good thing.  It doesn't mean he can write off his debts that he racks up...It means that he restructured the business plan and the finances in order to keep it from being liquidated.

When most people hear the term bankruptcy, it sounds as if it means that people are getting screwed........but in many cases, such as the four times Trump filed, it always meant that a Chapter 11 reorganization and it is more of a "sound business decision" than a "poor business decision".

I have read that the gaming industry is a tough business to run, and has many challenges to it.  Trump has managed to have much success in this area.  Overall,  It's better than the business shutting down completely...which is something that he has managed to do...with at least 3 out those 4 business.

You ask me if I think it is ok?  It depends on each situation......but I think the CH 11 is usually a good thing.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#519
February 23, 2016, 09:08:56 AM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 08:37:38 AM
When most people hear the term bankruptcy, it sounds as if it means that people are getting screwed...

That's exactly what it means.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#520
February 23, 2016, 12:08:12 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2016, 09:08:56 AM
That's exactly what it means.

No, not necessarily, CH 11 means that people are NOT going to get screwed....they are going to get their money, not when they planned on, but still are going to get paid.
So, it IS a good business move, sometimes. 

Everybody, just listens to the drive by media, shooting off at the mouth.....they hear Trump/Bankrupt, and it means he is a screw-up.

and you guys accuse us for "parroting"....it works both ways fellas.  :yes:
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#521
February 23, 2016, 12:30:21 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 12:08:12 PM
No, not necessarily, CH 11 means that people are NOT going to get screwed....they are going to get their money, not when they planned on, but still are going to get paid.

In Trump's 2009 bankruptcy alone, creditors lost over $1 billion and more than 1,100 people lost their jobs.

Quote..they hear Trump/Bankrupt, and it means he is a screw-up.

Because it's true.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

#522
February 23, 2016, 01:00:45 PM
Since you keep yammering on about what a great businessman Trump is, let's examine that a little more closely; shall we?

Trump took his casino business public in 1995 at $10.00 per share.  For the next nine years up until he was forced into bankruptcy by his creditors, he held the majority of the voting shares and served as the chairman of the board.  During that time, his company lost over $647 million and his investors' shares dwindled until they were worth less than $1.00 each.  In contrast, during that same time, investors in Harrah's casinos doubled their money and investors in MGM and Starwood quadrupled theirs.  The only person who made money off of the venture was Trump himself; he became even wealthier while everyone around him was losing their asses.  You might call that shrewd business; most other people call it fraud.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Henry Hawk

#523
February 23, 2016, 01:09:32 PM
Quote from: Exterminator on February 23, 2016, 12:30:21 PM
In Trump's 2009 bankruptcy alone, creditors lost over $1 billion and more than 1,100 people lost their jobs.
First of all, those creditors took the risk.......and those 1,100 jobs people lost, where jobs, HE CREATED.....this time they lost.  After several HUNDRED business deals, four times he has had to use CH11.....and because of Trump and his great dealings, he now employs OVER 22,000 people!! and growing.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

#524
February 23, 2016, 01:24:29 PM
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 23, 2016, 01:09:32 PM
First of all, those creditors took the risk...

So that's how it works; huh?  When someone's mortgage gets foreclosed on, it's the bank's fault because they took the risk?  Or when someone writes off medical bills in bankruptcy, the doctors and hospitals took the risk?  Does this awesome moral compass of yours come from your religion?

Quote....and those 1,100 jobs people lost, where jobs, HE CREATED...

Maybe he did but then he filled those jobs with foreign workers for whom he applied for H-2B visas.  Way to make America great!   :rolleyes:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.
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