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Henry Hawk

Quote from: Locutus on February 24, 2016, 12:38:28 PM

:rotfl:

Didn't you learn your lesson last time??  :big grin:

I did.  I am getting it right this time..... ;)

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Bo D

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."  Carl Sagan

Exterminator

Quote from: Bo D on February 24, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Not so shocking when you really think about who is supporting Trump.

Forgot to use my sarcasm font.   :biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Exterminator

Quote from: Bo D on February 24, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Not so shocking when you really think about who is supporting Trump.

I'd be interested in hearing how these people who have been claiming for the past 8 years that their hatred of Obama isn't rooted in racism explain their support of an openly racist candidate.
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

AbbyTC

Quote from: Exterminator on February 24, 2016, 08:20:29 AM
http://www.reasonstovotetrump.com/

I was expecting something serious, but ended up laughing instead.   :smile:   Good way to break up a busy work day!
In three words I can sum up everything I've learned about life: it goes on. Robert Frost

Perhaps the butterfly is proof that you can go through a great deal of darkness yet become something beautiful.

Exterminator

Quote from: AbbyTC on February 24, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
I was expecting something serious, but ended up laughing instead.   :smile:   Good way to break up a busy work day!

:biggrin:
Arguing with Christians is like playing chess with a pigeon.  No matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it's victorious.

The truth is slow, but relentless. Over time it becomes irresistible.

Locutus

Quote from: Bo D on February 24, 2016, 01:16:33 PM
Not so shocking when you really think about who is supporting Trump.

Yup! 

One of the gravest dangers to the survival of our republic is an ignorant electorate routinely feeding at the trough of propaganda.   -- Locutus

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Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 12:29:17 PM
Another reason to take an honest look at Trump....I haven't seen anybody else go into the detail as Trump has....


The Goals Of Donald J. Trump's Veterans Plan

The current state of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is absolutely unacceptable. Over 300,000 veterans died waiting for care. Corruption and incompetence were excused. Politicians in Washington have done too little too slowly to fix it. This situation can never happen again, and when Donald J. Trump is president, it will be fixed – fast.

The guiding principle of the Trump plan is ensuring veterans have convenient access to the best quality care. To further this principle, the Trump plan will decrease wait times, improve healthcare outcomes, and facilitate a seamless transition from service into civilian life.

The Trump Plan Will:

    Ensure our veterans get the care they need wherever and whenever they need it. No more long drives. No more waiting for backlogs. No more excessive red tape. Just the care and support they earned with their service to our country.
    Support the whole veteran, not just their physical health care, but also by addressing their invisible wounds, investing in our service members' post-active duty success, transforming the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members, and better meeting the needs of our female veterans.
    Make the VA great again by firing the corrupt and incompetent VA executives who let our veterans down, by modernizing the VA, and by empowering the doctors and nurses to ensure our veterans receive the best care available in a timely manner.

The Trump Plan Gives Veterans The Freedom To Choose And Forces The VA To Compete For Their Dollars

Politicians in Washington have tried to fix the VA by holding hearings and blindly throwing money at the problem. None of it has worked. In fact, wait times were 50% higher this summer than they were a year ago. That's because the VA lacks the right leadership and management. It's time we stop trusting Washington politicians to fix the problems and empower our veterans to vote with their feet.

Under a Trump Administration, all veterans eligible for VA health care can bring their veteran's ID card to any doctor or care facility that accepts Medicare to get the care they need immediately. Our veterans have earned the freedom to choose better or more convenient care from the doctor and facility of their choice. The power to choose will stop the wait time backlogs and force the VA to improve and compete if the department wants to keep receiving veterans' healthcare dollars. The VA will become more responsive to veterans, develop more efficient systems, and improve the quality of care because it will have no other choice.

The Trump Plan Treats The Whole Veteran

We must care for the whole veteran, not just their physical health. We must recognize that today's veterans have very different needs than those of the Greatest Generation.

The Trump Plan Will:

    Increase funding for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), traumatic brain injury and suicide prevention services to address our veterans' invisible wounds. Service members are five times more likely to develop depression than civilians. They are almost fifteen times more likely to develop PTSD than civilians. This funding will help provide more and better counseling and care. More funding will also support research on best practices and state of the art treatments to keep our veterans alive, healthy and whole. With these steps, the Trump plan will help the veteran community put the unnecessary stigma surrounding mental health behind them and instead encourage acceptance and treatment in our greater society.
    Increase funding for job training and placement services (including incentives for companies hiring veterans), educational support and business loans. All Americans agree that we must do everything we can to help put our service men and women on a path to success as they leave active duty by collaborating with the many successful non-profit organizations that are already helping. Service members have learned valuable skills in the military but many need help understanding how to apply those skills in civilian life. Others know how to apply those skills but need help connecting with good jobs to support their families. Still others have an entrepreneurial spirit and are ready to start creating jobs and growing the economy. The Trump plan will strengthen existing programs or replace them with more effective ones to address these needs and to get our veterans working.
    Transform the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members. Today's veterans have very different needs than those of the generations that came before them. The VA must adapt to meet the needs of this generation of younger, more diverse veterans. The Trump plan will expand VA services for female veterans and ensure the VA is providing the right support for this new generation of veterans.
    Better support our women veterans. The fact that many VA hospitals don't permanently staff OBGYN doctors shows an utter lack of respect for the growing number female veterans. Under the Trump plan, every VA hospital in the country will be fully equipped with OBGYN and other women's health services. In addition, women veterans can always choose a different OBGYN in their community using their veteran's ID card.


The Trump Plan Will Make The VA Great Again

The VA health care program is a disaster. Some candidates want to get rid of it, but our veterans need the VA to be there for them and their families. That's why the Trump plan will:

    Fire the corrupt and incompetent VA executives that let our veterans down. Under a Trump Administration, there will be no job security for VA executives that enabled or overlooked corruption and incompetence. They're fired. New leadership will focus the VA staff on delivering timely, top quality care and other services to our nation's veterans. Under a Trump Administration, exposing and addressing the VA's inefficiencies and shortcomings will be rewarded, not punished.
    End waste, fraud and abuse at the VA. The Trump plan will ensure the VA is spending its dollars wisely to provide the greatest impact for veterans and hold administrators accountable for irresponsible spending and abuse. The days of $6.3 million for statues and fountains at VA facilities and $300,000 for a manager to move 140 miles are over. The Trump plan will clean up the VA's finances so the current VA budget provides more and better care than it does now.
    Modernize the VA. A VA with 20th century technology cannot serve 21st century service members and their needs. The VA has been promising to modernize for years without real results. The Trump plan will make it happen by accelerating and expanding investments in state of the art technology to deliver best-in-class care quickly and effectively. All veterans should be able to conveniently schedule appointments, communicate with their doctors, and view accurate wait times with the push of a button.
    Empower the caregivers to ensure our veterans receive quality care quickly. Caregivers should be able to easily streamline treatment plans across departments and utilize telehealth tools to better serve their patients. As we have seen from the private sector, the potential for new, innovative technology is endless. Abandoning the wasteful and archaic mindset of the public sector will give way to tremendously effective veteran healthcare.
    Hire more veterans to care for veterans. The more veterans we have working at the VA, the better the VA will be. They understand the unique challenges facing their community. To increase the number of veterans hired by the VA, this plan will add an additional 5 points to the qualifying scores of veterans applying for VA jobs.
    Embed satellite VA clinics in rural and other underserved areas. The Trump Administration will embed satellite VA clinics within hospitals and other care facilities in rural and other underserved areas. This step will ensure veterans have easy access to care and local hospitals and care facilities can handle the influx of patients without backlogs while tapping the specialized knowledge of VA health specialists.


NONE of this explains how this is going to be accomplished outside of firings. To quote the infamous party of "No" and their lead off statement toward anything representing change over the past 8 years, (Even when it was their own plan); "How is all of this going to be paid for?"

You cannot tell me that changing the resident of the White House is going to automagically change the lethargy and ill-willed members of congress that have become addicted to "NO". And if it did one would have to ask exactly why?

The sad reality is Trump is doing exactly what every single candidate for the office has done for over a century; Tell them what they want to hear and promise them the moon. Then once they get into office and the congress begins its lobbying all that stuff goes right into the trash, and the only things that get done are those items congress wants. Period. Unless executive order is used. And then it becomes payback time and the cycle continues.

Minus a complete blood letting within congress, and solid legislation that imposes term limits upon congress, they will continue to hold the least of society hostage to their "political ideals". Those ideals that have been bought and paid for by the Super Pacs and Corporate America.

The SCOTUS plays a key role in all of this tripe, and that is why the opening is so important to both sides; not the reasoning being put out there to pander to the emotional crowds and drum up support. That is exactly why Corporate America is ruling over the entire population in this nation, and not our government or elected representation.

Trump isn't fooling me. He's just feeding his ego and has absolutely no intention of improving the VA or any other program he actually views as entitlement and social safety nets. He's looking to pad his pockets. . . period.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

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Henry Hawk

And I disagree


But then who really gives a sh!t....I hope he gets his chance because there isn't one person out there running can do any better.... That is why I want him to have his chance
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 05:48:12 PM
And I disagree


But then who really gives a sh!t....I hope he gets his chance because there isn't one person out there running can do any better.... That is why I want him to have his chance

I, for one, give a shit. I want the men and women that serve our country and put their lives on the line to be properly cared for when they are injured.

I want the least among us to be able to count upon properly administered social safety nets in their times of need, to prevent homelessness and malnourished children.

I want a government that is by the people, and FOR the people, and not some soulless faceless corporation that evades taxation and flees the nation leaving millions in the lurch.

I want a congress that knows more than how to say no to progress and legislation that improves the quality of life for the average American citizen, and provides the hope and opportunity for a better life to those that aspire toward it.

I want real value for my hard earned tax dollars; a value that means something to an unemployed worker of 30 years, an individual that has fallen down on their luck through no cause of their own.

I want representation within our government from individuals that have valid experience within the working classes they are elected to represent.

I want an America I can be proud of again, instead of a nation enslaved to corporate America.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

And that is what Trump is going to do...you want exactly what I want.

Why is it ok when Obama spouted  "hope and change" garb.... And didn't come close.

I have listened to several interviews with Trump.  The more I listen to him the more I like him.

When I said who gives a shit, l meant that as far as regarding if I am convincing you or the other house democrats.
You are set on your views and I am positively set on my views without reservation.

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW

Palehorse

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
And that is what Trump is going to do...you want exactly what I want.

No. He won't. He will exacerbate things for the worse.

I find it very hard to understand how all that "experience" you claimed was imperative to possess in the office of POTUS, has suddenly gone right out the window.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
Why is it ok when Obama spouted  "hope and change" garb.... And didn't come close.


  • And why was he unable to implement the legislation that would have put this nation onto a path toward restoring hope and change to this nation and its average citizens?
  • Please provide us all with a list of campaign promises presidential candidates achieved, with accomplishment percentages. I believe your research will, should you decide to undertake it, serve to recalibrate your expectations surrounding the campaign platforms of presidential candidates.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
I have listened to several interviews with Trump.  The more I listen to him the more I like him.

All you are doing is listening then. Research his history, all of it, and you will find an amazingly accurate outline of exactly what he will do if he obtains the office.

Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 24, 2016, 07:31:12 PM
When I said who gives a shit, l meant that as far as regarding if I am convincing you or the other house democrats.
You are set on your views and I am positively set on my views without reservation.

I am not as "set in my views" as your post would infer. The fact is I have voted republican, democratic, and liberal many times within my life-span to date. While it is true I have changed horses many times along the trail of life, I have rarely wavered from the direction my moral compass has always pointed me toward since the moment I drew my first breath in this place. And those times within which I have wavered from my true north, were due to the raging hormones of my youth or other external forces imposing duress upon my decision making process.

My vote has always gone to the lesser of 2 or more evils as arrived at within my decision making process; a process that has improved over the decades I have walked this earth, through education, life experiences, and the mentoring of some fine human beings I have had the pleasure of crossing paths with along the way.

And along that path I have learned it is better to try to enlighten the unenlightened whenever and wherever they are encountered. You may not always be successful, and in fact will fail more than you succeed; but the destruction of ignorance is never a loss, even if the ratio of success is 1 in every 10,000.

For each win you make will automatically multiply itself over time. Those that parent children will pass it along to them, and each person that becomes enlightened will dutifully and faithfully make their own conversions along their own path.

I am not saying you are wrong, for to be wrong you must possess the same resources and knowledge as those who oppose your views; the very same requirements for being correct. And being correct is not an eternal state but a momentary one, for as your knowledge increases so your conclusions will as well.

Trump is bad for the citizens of America and for all this nation has stood for. He is bad for everything but Corporate America. . . And if he is successful in obtaining office, long after I am fertilizer, history will validate that this is correct. Unfortunately, those historians will not be from the United States of America at that time, for a Trump Presidency will result in its destruction.
R.I.P. - followsthewolf - You are MISSED! 4/17/2013

That which fails to kill me. . .should run!

Any "point" made by one that lacks credibility, is only as useful as toilet paper; and serves the same purpose. ~ Palehorse 4/22/2017

May you find charity when it is needed, and the ability to extend it when it is not. ~Palehorse 7/4/2012

To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.~Herman Melville

Henry Hawk

I got nothing to prove.

As you know I don't take your opinions lightly...but I believe you are wrong on Trump.

I hope he gets the chance to change your view.
"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 - It all makes sense to me now...


"The future ain't what it used to be."– Yogi Berra

"Square roots are rarely found on any plant." FTW