All you people who believe in the hoax of global warming must be hiding under your beds. The idea of cutting 2% of the rate of INCREASE , must be bad for you all.
I wish they would do real and deep cuts not this phony cut. Remember this was all your dear leaders idea.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Obama Caught In Bald-Faced Lie On Sequester (http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-caught-in-bald-faced-lie-on-sequester/)
More douchebaggery.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh7UgAprdpM)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 21, 2013, 04:42:15 PM
Obama Caught In Bald-Faced Lie On Sequester (http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-caught-in-bald-faced-lie-on-sequester/)
What NOTHING to say about this OBVIOUS lie? Obama is BLATANTLY trying to use "scare tactics" to alarm the "uninformed" to think bad, bad things are going to happen if the republicans don't do as his says.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 08:03:24 AM
What NOTHING to say about this OBVIOUS lie? Obama is BLATANTLY trying to use "scare tactics" to alarm the "uninformed" to think bad, bad things are going to happen if the republicans don't do as his says.
Ain't nobody got time for dat!
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2013, 10:21:59 AM
Ain't nobody got time for dat!
That is what I thought.... :rolleyes: (you mean nobody on this forum WANTS to attempt to explain or cover his ass for him) He is a freaking Politician who is a typical lying weasel. He is a demagogue at its finest.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 10:28:25 AM
That is what I thought.... :rolleyes: (you mean nobody on this forum WANTS to attempt to explain or cover his ass for him) He is a freaking Politician who is a typical lying weasel. He is a demagogue at its finest.
You've already made up your mind, so what is the point of even attempting to establish a dialog with you over it? You'll just spin and twist away, and in the end nothing good will come of it.
As I have said before, I have more constructive things to do with the balance of the time I have left on this planet and refuse to waste any of it on individuals and things that are not open to dialog.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
As I have said before, I have more constructive things to do with the balance of the time I have left on this planet and refuse to waste any of it on individuals and things that are not open to dialog.
Yep, ain't nobody got time for that! :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2013, 10:40:46 AM
Yep, ain't nobody got time for that! :biggrin:
:yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
You've already made up your mind, so what is the point of even attempting to establish a dialog with you over it? You'll just spin and twist away, and in the end nothing good will come of it.
As I have said before, I have more constructive things to do with the balance of the time I have left on this planet and refuse to waste any of it on individuals and things that are not open to dialog.
I would have bet money, that is exactly what your response was going to be....... :yes:
It always is, when you KNOW you are on the wrong side of an argument. ;)
That's okay, that is my take too....I know longer engage in arguments on here. I just say what I know to be true and move on. :)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 10:53:16 AM
I would have bet money, that is exactly what your response was going to be....... :yes:
It always is, when you KNOW you are on the wrong side of an argument. ;)
That's okay, that is my take too....I know longer engage in arguments on here. I just say what I know to be true and move on. :)
See. You are spinning it right now. Even though I made my position and intention to refuse to waste time on those who cannot engage in constructive dialog known weeks prior. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2013, 11:01:29 AM
See. You are spinning it right now. Even though I made my position and intention to refuse to waste time on those who cannot engage in constructive dialog known weeks prior. . . :rolleyes:
okay
One would think the members of congress would step up to the plate and take a 30% pay cut. . . but they say they "can't". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
They should take it just like the rest of us have. :rant:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2013, 11:26:56 AM
One would think the members of congress would step up to the plate and take a 30% pay cut. . . but they say they "can't". :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
They should take it just like the rest of us have. :rant:
Rand Paul, for the second year has given money BACK to the US Treasury for unspent money for his operating costs. Last year he gave back $500,000 and this year he gave back $600,000. He also said, that if the federal wages was lined up with the private sector, it would save the tax payers $50 billion.
THAT is the type of LEADERSHIP we need in Washington.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 10:28:25 AM
He is a demagogue at its finest.
A demagogue or rabble-rouser is a political leader in a democracy who appeals to the
emotions, prejudices, and ignorance of the less-educated people of a population in order to gain power. Demagogues usually oppose deliberation and advocate immediate, violent action to address a national crisis; they accuse moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness. Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, nothing stops the people from giving that power to someone who
appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population.Based on my highlighted portions, all demagogues are, by definition, inherently conservatives.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
Rand Paul, for the second year has given money BACK to the US Treasury for unspent money for his operating costs. Last year he gave back $500,000 and this year he gave back $600,000. He also said, that if the federal wages was lined up with the private sector, it would save the tax payers $50 billion.
THAT is the type of LEADERSHIP we need in Washington.
In what is quickly becoming a Kentuckian end run play, Paul did just that. But what has he truly done? Why, cut his office operating budget of course, which resulted in the firing of several aids and administrative positions within his office.
No different than holding unemployment extensions hostage in the midst of historic levels of unemployment in this country. The needs of the many do not outweigh the need of the few, or the one, to be able to point to something that "demonstrates" action. :rolleyes:
Really, this is the kind of leadership this country needs? A closet nazi who sacrifices the livelihoods of the least in order to further those who possess the most? :spooked:
Get back to me when he returns 30% or more of his salary. The reality is the lion's share of congressional members don't need the salary they draw.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2013, 11:33:32 AM
A demagogue or rabble-rouser is a political leader in a democracy who appeals to the emotions, prejudices, and ignorance of the less-educated people of a population in order to gain power. Demagogues usually oppose deliberation and advocate immediate, violent action to address a national crisis; they accuse moderate and thoughtful opponents of weakness. Demagogues have appeared in democracies since ancient Athens. They exploit a fundamental weakness in democracy: because ultimate power is held by the people, nothing stops the people from giving that power to someone who appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population.
Based on my highlighted portions, all demagogues are, by definition, inherently conservatives.
Are you kidding me? THAT fits Obama to a TEE!
"Emergency responders like the ones who are here today -- their ability to help communities respond to and recover from disasters will be degraded. Border Patrol agents will see their hours reduced. FBI agents will be furloughed. Federal prosecutors will have to close cases and let criminals go. Air traffic controllers and airport security will see cutbacks, which means more delays at airports across the country. Thousands of teachers and educators will be laid off. Tens of thousands of parents will have to scramble to find childcare for their kids. Hundreds of thousands of Americans will lose access to primary care and preventive care like flu vaccinations and cancer screenings."The repbulicans want dirty air & water. They don't care about sick people. They want the old people to die.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2013, 11:33:32 AM
emotions, prejudices, and ignorance of the less-educated people of a population
appeals to the lowest common denominator of a large segment of the population.
These passages absolutely describe people like you and 'me'...the lowest common denominator.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2013, 11:42:47 AM
In what is quickly becoming a Kentuckian end run play, Paul did just that. But what has he truly done? Why, cut his office operating budget of course, which resulted in the firing of several aids and administrative positions within his office.
No different than holding unemployment extensions hostage in the midst of historic levels of unemployment in this country. The needs of the many do not outweigh the need of the few, or the one, to be able to point to something that "demonstrates" action. :rolleyes:
Really, this is the kind of leadership this country needs? A closet nazi who sacrifices the livelihoods of the least in order to further those who possess the most? :spooked:
Get back to me when he returns 30% or more of his salary. The reality is the lion's share of congressional members don't need the salary they draw.
MORE demagoguary!! Can you back up anything you just said about him? A closet Nazi....REALLY?!? Can you prove that he fired SEVERAL of his aids or are you just blowin off?
He said last night, ON GRETA..... that he did NOT lay off anybody!!! He had a couple leave for other jobs, and he did not replace them.
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/sen-rand-paul-on-the-record-8/ (http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/sen-rand-paul-on-the-record-8/) just watch it and you will have my proof.
YOu are damned right THAT is the type of leadership we MUST have, if we want this Nation to once again be prosperous.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2013, 11:59:44 AM
These passages absolutely describe people like you and 'me'...the lowest common denominator.
Now I know for a fact that YOU MUST be a drug-user or have a serious mental disability...If you cannot see this behaviour out of our POTUS or the democrat party, then we GOT to quit discussing anything any further.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 12:00:27 PM
MORE demagoguary!! Can you back up anything you just said about him? A closet Nazi....REALLY?!? Can you prove that he fired SEVERAL of his aids or are you just blowin off?
He said last night, ON GRETA..... that he did NOT lay off anybody!!! He had a couple leave for other jobs, and he did not replace them.
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/sen-rand-paul-on-the-record-8/ (http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/sen-rand-paul-on-the-record-8/) just watch it and you will have my proof.
YOu are damned right THAT is the type of leadership we MUST have, if we want this Nation to once again be prosperous.
That is what is termed in the business world as a "reduction in force via attrition"; so you proved my point already.
Washington (CNN) -- Pain from forced spending cuts is a week away and lawmakers are preparing their aides for the fallout that could hit them like other government workers.
"We've actually budgeted with a 10% cut in mind," Rep. Cheri Bustos, D-Illinois, told CNN last week.
Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Florida, reorganized his office in December.
"We had to let people go then because we were anticipating at least a 16% cut," he said. . . .
But members of Congress, the very people who voted to put the automatic spending cuts in place, won't see any change to their annual salary of $174,000.
Why?
Because Congress can only change its pay by passing a law to do so.
Before Congress left town for a week's recess, CNN took an informal survey and asked lawmakers if they were willing to take a pay cut if the so-called sequester was set in motion on March 1. . . .http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/21/politics/budget-congress-pay/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/21/politics/budget-congress-pay/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
spin baby spin!!! ;D :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2013, 12:07:57 PM
That is what is termed in the business world as a "reduction in force via attrition"; so you proved my point already.
Washington (CNN) -- Pain from forced spending cuts is a week away and lawmakers are preparing their aides for the fallout that could hit them like other government workers.
"We've actually budgeted with a 10% cut in mind," Rep. Cheri Bustos, D-Illinois, told CNN last week.
Rep. Dennis Ross, R-Florida, reorganized his office in December.
"We had to let people go then because we were anticipating at least a 16% cut," he said. . . .
But members of Congress, the very people who voted to put the automatic spending cuts in place, won't see any change to their annual salary of $174,000.
Why?
Because Congress can only change its pay by passing a law to do so.
Before Congress left town for a week's recess, CNN took an informal survey and asked lawmakers if they were willing to take a pay cut if the so-called sequester was set in motion on March 1. . . .
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/21/politics/budget-congress-pay/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/21/politics/budget-congress-pay/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)
And as for his being a closet Nazi - His stand on the CRA clearly supports my position. I guess you have forgotten about this then?
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16970.0 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=16970.0)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 12:17:26 PM
spin baby spin!!! ;D :rolleyes:
Yes. that is exactly what
you are doing! :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 12:02:11 PM
Now I know for a fact that YOU MUST be a drug-user or have a serious mental disability...
Still don't get it; do you? Every time you start a sentence with, "I seen," I go ahead and assume that you will never be ending that sentence with, "the inside of a book."
Quote from: Palehorse on February 22, 2013, 12:18:49 PM
Yes. that is exactly what you are doing! :yes:
What have I spun? :spooked: it was YOU who is spinning!!
OMG! You guys are incredible..... :no:
I am glad the weekend is here.........I am ready for some R&R.... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 12:28:07 PM
...I am ready for some R&R.... :yes:
Republicans and racists...
(http://montanafesto.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/photo.jpg)
I don't get it? :confused:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 22, 2013, 12:23:32 PM
Still don't get it; do you? "I seen,"
The real reason is that because "seen" is the past participle of to see; it should be used with the auxiliary verb to have...but you wouldn' understand proper english. :wink: :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 12:46:19 PM
The real reason is that because "seen" is the past participle of to see; it should be used with the auxiliary verb to have...but you wouldn' understand proper english. :wink: :razz:
More proof that you don't understand what you parrot from others ...
""seen" is the past participle of to see;
it should be used with the auxiliary verb to have"
Hence, "I have seen."
Quote from: Olias on February 22, 2013, 01:03:11 PM
More proof that you don't understand what you parrot from others ...
""seen" is the past participle of to see; it should be used with the auxiliary verb to have"
Hence, "I have seen."
I'm not the one who USED it that way, it was EX. You just proved what I was talking about. Go back and read.
LMAO! WTF?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 01:04:24 PM
I'm not the one who USED it that way, it was EX. You just proved what I was talking about. Go back and read.
Oh NO!!!!! You DIDN'T!
You would think you would have learned by now. I hate that you made me do this.
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :chick: :chick: :chick:
Go back and read yourself ....
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=17811.msg405798;topicseen#msg405798 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=17811.msg405798;topicseen#msg405798)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 14, 2011, 04:30:58 PM
........then I seen the "shirtless man" crap about him........
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=2623.msg363105;topicseen#msg363105 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=2623.msg363105;topicseen#msg363105)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on June 10, 2010, 04:25:52 PM
All I seen was the POTUS yelling "stop the damn leak"...
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=13763.msg296734;topicseen#msg296734 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=13763.msg296734;topicseen#msg296734)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on January 26, 2009, 08:48:46 AM
I seen you took care of everyone at the bar!!
http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=5727.msg184569;topicseen#msg184569 (http://theunknownzone.dailynuisanceproductions.com/index.php?topic=5727.msg184569;topicseen#msg184569)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on August 25, 2007, 10:07:07 PM
....I have never heard of him until I seen his sight a few days ago...
Do you work for the CIA or what?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 04:42:15 PM
Do you work for the CIA or what?
He works for a non-profit group called Fact Checkers and Honest Historians Association. ;D
LMAO...that shit would hurt if he had any idea what you're talking about. :razz:
Re: March 1 government shutdown: I think the republicans have met their match in Obama. Imagine that. :sneaky:
But, speaking of politicians in general, I like what Mike Barnacle said on Morning Joe on Thursday morning regarding the so-called sequester:
(paraphrase) "Watching what has been going on is like watching two people looking at a house burning down while they argue about who started the fire."
bump: I somehow managed to post the above twice. :confused:
Quote from: Olias on February 22, 2013, 03:58:41 PM
Oh NO!!!!! You DIDN'T!
You would think you would have learned by now. I hate that you made me do this.
Seen is not the only past participle of a verb that requires the use of an auxilliary verb; done would be another:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 11:12:32 PM
This is like he billionth time you done it.
Shut her down boys. Shut her down. <----(The creed of the GOP)
Drill baby, Drill ; Spill baby, Spill. <------(The motto of the GOP)
Indiana stands to incur the loss of 13.8 million in educational funding, see 11,000 department of defense layoffs of civilian employees, and other negative impacts due to this shut down / sequester.
Watch as this state gets punked by the GOP back into the 60's.
Shut WHAT down? Tell me.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2013, 12:07:04 PM
Shut WHAT down? Tell me.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2013, 12:04:05 PM
Shut her down boys. Shut her down. <----(The creed of the GOP)
Drill baby, Drill ; Spill baby, Spill. <------(The motto of the GOP)
Indiana stands to incur the loss of 13.8 million in educational funding, see 11,000 department of defense layoffs of civilian employees, and other negative impacts due to this shut down / sequester.
Watch as this state gets punked by the GOP back into the 60's.
I will be watching :yes:
Our goverment is going to spend $15 BILLION more this year than it did last year..........and Obama says BAD, BAD things are going to happen IF the republicans don't allow him to spend it.....................REALLY?
Nice job democrats :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj1y3q92sog&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj1y3q92sog&feature=player_embedded)#!
Personally I think they should pass what he's asking for and let him sink with it.
Oh, and by the way, this doesn't make things any better. Let's don't be blamin' the problems here entirely on congress.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eMZC-Zifx90
Quote from: me on February 25, 2013, 12:33:42 PM
Personally I think they should pass what he's asking for and let him sink with it.
Translation: I don't care what it takes, we have to make the ni**er's historic record so bad that this country will never elect anyone like him again. Even if it means sending millions more into unemployment and increasing the number of homeless people by the same amount, and ruining our nations credit rating.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
Translation: I don't care what it takes, we have to make the ni**er's historic record so bad that this country will never elect anyone like him again. Even if it means sending millions more into unemployment and increasing the number of homeless people by the same amount, and ruining our nations credit rating.
Our goverment is going to spend $15 BILLION more this year than it did last year.....Do you HONESTLY believe MILLIONS more will be unemployed? Homeless will increase? Honestly?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 25, 2013, 12:47:57 PM
Our goverment is going to spend $15 BILLION more this year than it did last year.....Do you HONESTLY believe MILLIONS more will be unemployed? Homeless will increase? Honestly?
Yes.
You know, I wish I could buy a gallon of milk for 10 cents, a gallon of gas for 15 cents, and prime cut beef for a nickel a pound, but those days are gone. They have been gone and to expect them to return and to be able to provide sustenance to my family on a budget created 70 years ago is unrealistic. Same goes for government.
Yes it may be historically high, but so are our responsibilities, our population, our infrastructure, and the costs.
You guys are bitching about the price of eggs and killing the chickens.
I just told you that the current sequester will result in 11,000 jobs being eliminated in civilian military support positions in this state alone. Education funding will instantly drop by 13.8 million in this state. And as you are so fond of pointing out, the "trickle down" impact of these losses alone will multiply the job losses exponentially, resulting in even more job losses, foreclosures, and yes, homelessness; and that is just within this state. Multiply that by 50 and see what you get.
Eliminate unemployment compensation beyond 26 weeks and you fast track the homeless aspect of this insidious path the GOP is hell-bent for leather upon forcing us down.
And let's see how you like the fact that air traffic controllers will be sent packing in droves. Planes will begin a macabre version of bumper cars in the skies above this nation. Tens of thousands of teachers will lose their jobs nationwide, and hundreds of thousands of Americans will lose access to preventative care and healthcare insurance.
Airports will begin closing nation-wide.
Tens of thousands of government workers will be eliminated nationwide.
The housing recovery will be torpedoed sending it into oblivion. (More unemployed)
And so much more. . .
This is nothing but a recipe for Anarchy, and the GOP are the chefs.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
Translation: I don't care what it takes, we have to make the ni**er's historic record so bad that this country will never elect anyone like him again. Even if it means sending millions more into unemployment and increasing the number of homeless people by the same amount, and ruining our nations credit rating.
Exactly.
So, let me get this straight .... YOU think, if we do NOT spend 2% MORE than we did last year.........all of those things YOU mentioned are GOING to happen?
The republicans are planning on proposing a bill that will give Obama, himself, the authority to choose WHAT gets the axe under the automatic spending cuts REQUIRED by the sequestration that OBAMA insisted he must have in place.
Quote from: me on February 25, 2013, 12:40:13 PM
Oh, and by the way, this doesn't make things any better. Let's don't be blamin' the problems here entirely on congress.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eMZC-Zifx90
These two clowns are absolutely fucking clueless. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2013, 01:30:02 PM
These two clowns are absolutely fucking clueless. :rolleyes:
As to why you two don't see what's really going on. Finished it for you. :razz:
Like I said...clueless.
Quote from: Exterminator on February 25, 2013, 02:00:22 PM
Like I said...clueless.
Yep. And there was some more of my "wasted time" spent .
Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2013, 06:24:06 PM
Yep. And there was some more of my "wasted time" spent .
Yep the Republicans are going to let the Sequestration take place and I hope they won't give in for at least 3 months. If they do they will loose their ass in the 2014 elections. :haha:
If there was ever a time to clean the shit out of Washington DC now is the time to flush the Republicans down the toilet. :toilet:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2013, 06:24:06 PM
Yep. And there was some more of my "wasted time" spent .
Who is asking you to waste any time? Quit responding.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2013, 12:44:07 PM
Translation: I don't care what it takes, we have to make the ni**er's historic record so bad that this country will never elect anyone like him again. Even if it means sending millions more into unemployment and increasing the number of homeless people by the same amount, and ruining our nations credit rating.
I want him to failed in the biggest way possible. What ever it takes, whoever it breaks, whoever it hurts. When a person has cancer, chemo makes them very very sick, and then it kills the cancer and you have a chance to recover.
This country needs chemo from the likes of obama and your kind. It will make the country sick and then we can rebuild less the sickness of socialism and liberalism.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2013, 01:11:17 PM
And let's see how you like the fact that air traffic controllers will be sent packing in droves. Planes will begin a macabre version of bumper cars in the skies above this nation. Tens of thousands of teachers will lose their jobs nationwide, and hundreds of thousands of Americans will lose access to preventative care and healthcare insurance.
Airports will begin closing nation-wide.
Tens of thousands of government workers will be eliminated nationwide.
The housing recovery will be torpedoed sending it into oblivion. (More unemployed)
And so much more. . .
This is nothing but a recipe for Anarchy, and the GOP are the chefs.
Are you that stupid to think that come 3/1, the controllers will be locked out and the planes on their own? As far as tens of thousands of government workers that would be a GREAT THING. Then just maybe we could get about our business. Housing recovery, how many more houses do we have to give away to people that can not afford them? Buy or build what you can afford no more than that.
Quote from: RC on February 26, 2013, 09:14:38 AM
As far as tens of thousands of government workers that would be a GREAT THING.
Come back and say that again when your SSI check is late next month.
Quote from: Olias on February 26, 2013, 09:22:58 AM
Come back and say that again when your SSI check is late next month.
How come when some disagrees with you people, you think people are on SSI, or live in a trailer?
Quote from: RC on February 26, 2013, 09:37:54 AM
How come when some disagrees with you people, you think people are on SSI, or live in a trailer?
That's an elitist liberal for you.
Quote from: RC on February 26, 2013, 09:37:54 AM
How come when some disagrees with you people, you think people are on SSI, or live in a trailer?
Yes or no.
Do you collect Social Security?
Why isn't Obama in DC meeting with congress trying to get this resolved instead of in Newport News meeting with ship builders?
Quote from: RC on February 26, 2013, 09:09:24 AM
I want him to failed in the biggest way possible. What ever it takes, whoever it breaks, whoever it hurts. When a person has cancer, chemo makes them very very sick, and then it kills the cancer and you have a chance to recover.
This country needs chemo from the likes of obama and your kind. It will make the country sick and then we can rebuild less the sickness of socialism and liberalism.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you exhibit "A" from the defendant's own mouth, and in his/her own words.
Racist. Pure and simple.
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/535653_10151454219236749_1054244067_n_zpsff606e16.jpg)
This is just wasting my time....I have nothing to say.....it is merely propaganda. But, WHO CARES?
In case you hadn't heard the ball's in Reid's court now.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 26, 2013, 11:00:31 AM
(http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr111/hlovett_2008/535653_10151454219236749_1054244067_n_zpsff606e16.jpg)
Oh, and btw. Why isn't Obama in DC trying to get this worked out instead of Newport News talking to the shipworkers?
Quote from: me on February 26, 2013, 11:16:32 AM
In case you hadn't heard the ball's in Reid's court now.
Oh, and btw. Why isn't Obama in DC trying to get this worked out instead of Newport News talking to the shipworkers?
Why aren't you at work somewhere?
The thing that SUCKS about ALL OF this is.............Obama WANTED to raise taxes, they gave it to him......Obama WANTED sequestration they gave it to him. Republicans wanted to cut spending............Obama promised to oblige. Obama CANNOT even get a budget in place, yet wants a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children to drive up our debt.....is that unpatriotic?
This administration is dangerous to our Nation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q&feature=player_embedded)
Quote from: Palehorse on February 26, 2013, 11:25:02 AM
Why aren't you at work somewhere?
I don't happen to be POTUS but you can damn well bet if I were and something like this were going on I'd be doing my job instead of whinning to people who can't do anything about it. Quit excusing his failure to lead this country and wake up. He is not going to be running for a 3rd term so what he is doing is a waste of time and our money.
Quote from: me on February 26, 2013, 11:29:55 AM
I don't happen to be POTUS but you can damn well bet if I were and something like this were going on I'd be doing my job instead of whinning to people who can't do anything about it. Quit excusing his failure to lead this country and wake up. He is not going to be running for a 3rd term so what he is doing is a waste of time and our money.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 26, 2013, 11:25:44 AM
The thing that SUCKS about ALL OF this is.............Obama WANTED to raise taxes, they gave it to him......Obama WANTED sequestration they gave it to him. Republicans wanted to cut spending............Obama promised to oblige. Obama CANNOT even get a budget in place, yet wants a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children to drive up our debt.....is that unpatriotic?
This administration is dangerous to our Nation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kuTG19Cu_Q&feature=player_embedded)
:swim: :fish:
You are TOO easy to "get to" anymore. You used to have a sense of humor.... :no:
Oh, well.......I STILL have fun on here. :yes:
:swim: :fish:
Quote from: Olias on February 26, 2013, 10:27:20 AM
Yes or no.
Do you collect Social Security?
NO NO NO NO!!!!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 26, 2013, 11:40:10 AM
You are TOO easy to "get to" anymore. You used to have a sense of humor.... :no:
Oh, well.......I STILL have fun on here. :yes:
You still have fun? A person would have to be a Sadist to watch you make an ass out of yourself every day. :yes: :biggrin:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 26, 2013, 10:57:28 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you exhibit "A" from the defendant's own mouth, and in his/her own words.
Racist. Pure and simple.
You are the only one who brings up race. I have a equal dislike, of white or black socialists who are try to destroy the country. Race has nothing to do with it. I dislike any idea of socialism.
Quote from: Palehorse on February 26, 2013, 11:00:31 AM
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WE can only hope all that is true. None of that will happen, we are still spending more money than last year on all the dead beats. I made a mistake change that 370,000 mental ill number to 369,999, you need your treatment.
Quote from: RC on February 26, 2013, 12:27:51 PM
You are the only one who brings up race. I have a equal dislike, of white or black socialists who are try to destroy the country. Race has nothing to do with it. I dislike any idea of socialism.
You dislike Socialism just you dislike anyone you think is beneath you. You're just a scab on the ass of America. :finger2:
Speaking of Dead Beats, you're in the Party of Dead Beats. And you claim to be a believer of Jesus and your all mighty god. :haha: You are truly a full time Dead Beat. :salute:
Am I reading this correctly; RC is feeding at the government teat?
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2013, 01:20:22 PM
Am I reading this correctly; RC is feeding at the government teat?
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Using a phrase from your dear leader, let me be clear. No government check of any kind comes to me. If it did I would want a big increase just like you all do.
Has old Harry Reid done his job yet or is he still sitting on the bill that was sent to them?
Quote from: me on February 26, 2013, 02:39:32 PM
Has old Harry Reid done his job yet or is he still sitting on the bill that was sent to them?
The House has sent TWO bills over and Harry won't get off of his behind to do anything about it. I guess you can call them the say "NO" senate.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 26, 2013, 02:52:17 PM
The House has sent TWO bills over and Harry won't get off of his behind to do anything about it. I guess you can call them the say "NO" senate.
It's all the Republican's fault ya know. They tied old Harry up and won't let him loose so his hands are tied and he can't do anything.
And so it begins. (http://www.wthr.com/story/21384812/2013-indianapolis-air-show-cancelled?Clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass)
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2013, 03:57:42 PM
And so it begins. (http://www.wthr.com/story/21384812/2013-indianapolis-air-show-cancelled?Clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass)
Let's not forget, WHO wanted this sequestration. Obama.
He got his tax raise...he needs to own up to his responsibilities. Poor leadership is all that can be said.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 26, 2013, 04:13:58 PM
Let's not forget, WHO wanted this sequestration. Obama.
He got his tax raise...he needs to own up to his responsibilities. Poor leadership is all that can be said.
And he's an uppity negro, too!
Quote from: Exterminator on February 26, 2013, 04:14:59 PM
And he's an uppity negro, too!
I think you like using that word.......it must make you feel powerful and almighty, doesn't it?
"uppity" makes one powerful and almighty??????
Hmmmmm.............uppity, uppity, uppity. Almighty, almighty, almighty.
Waiting for the change..............................................................................Nope. Nothing
Must be because I'm some kind of liberal socialist scum bag (according to RC, our local idenifier-of-all-things-left of center -- just like Joe McCarthy)
Piffle-dink.
And crippy-crappy for good measure.
Don't you all know how to have a discussion without being obnoxious? Doesn't matter if we have a valid point or not obnoxious and juvenile replies are always forthcoming rather than an adult type discussion. I understand Troll replying that way but for supposedly college educated people it's just plain ridiculous and erases any argument you may have. Well, I guess if you had a valid argument you'd post that rather than posting juvenile responses.
You are so foolish as to not understand that I am disagreeing with HH without being disagreeable.
Those terms lighten the discussion, but you have such a lousy sense of humor that you didn't even get it.
Doh!
Whooosssh!
Quote from: followsthewolf on February 26, 2013, 08:47:15 PM
You are so foolish as to not understand that I am disagreeing with HH without being disagreeable.
Those terms lighten the discussion, but you have such a lousy sense of humor that you didn't even get it.
Doh!
Whooosssh!
I understand disagreeing but in doing so you, as well as the others, sound rather grade schoolish and it is also very mocking in nature. If we were to talk like that to you,
first, constantly every time you posted you'd get pretty sick of it also.
The humor was for HH. He understands the point.
For you, I really don't care because you are a wanna-be.
You want to be taken seriously, but you really don't have the capacity to engage in discussion.
You are a waste of time, so I take pleasure in your dullness when you get all beside yourself.
Good for a laugh.
Whatever duffus, doesn't matter to me one way or the other I just hope you don't conduct yourself the same way offline. Hell, you didn't even realize I was speaking in general not just about the way you address HH. Anyone who disagrees with you or something this administration does gets the same treatment.
Yep.
Good for a laugh.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 26, 2013, 11:40:10 AM
You are TOO easy to "get to" anymore. You used to have a sense of humor.... :no:
You and your ilk, and the party of "NO" killed it over the last 5 years. Do you miss it?
Quote from: RC on February 26, 2013, 12:27:51 PM
You are the only one who brings up race. I have a equal dislike, of white or black socialists who are try to destroy the country. Race has nothing to do with it. I dislike any idea of socialism.
Are you mad because I outed you?
Quote from: RC on February 26, 2013, 12:29:54 PM
WE can only hope all that is true. None of that will happen, we are still spending more money than last year on all the dead beats. I made a mistake change that 370,000 mental ill number to 369,999, you need your treatment.
And above we have exhibit "B".
Has Harry Reid got off his ass yet? Can't vote on the bills that were sent if they aren't brought up ya know.
Quote from: me on February 26, 2013, 11:32:02 PM
Has Harry Reid got off his ass yet? Can't vote on the bills that were sent if they aren't brought up ya know.
And you still have not gone to work?
Quote from: Palehorse on February 26, 2013, 11:47:15 PM
And you still have not gone to work?
And that has what to do with any of this? Bills were given to him to bring up for a vote, he hasn't, quit blaming the Republicans when Harry isn't doing his job.
Has Reid put those bills that were sent to the house up for a vote yet?
the bottom line is this........It IS President Obama's sequester - he designed it, he demanded it - he may be getting it. Harry Reid needs to get OFF his behind and do HIS job.
No. . . it's not. And the majority of Americans agree that it is not.
It would be helpful if Harry would get off his high horse and bring up the bills that were given to him for a vote. Republicans have nothing to do with that part it's been out of their hands for a while and up to Harry to do his job. The house has done their part.
Quote from: me on February 27, 2013, 01:04:18 PM
It would be helpful if Harry would get off his high horse and bring up the bills that were given to him for a vote. Republicans have nothing to do with that part it's been out of their hands for a while and up to Harry to do his job. The house has done their part.
"the house has done their part." :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: Every problem we have now is the Republicans fault, 100 and 10%. :biggrin: You voted them and you're stuck with those fools. :haha: :haha: Besides that, Give Me A Break, Lamb Chop. :wink:
Time is ticking away and still no deal on shut down. What will you socialists due , when your government shuts down? You better run for the hills, or were ever you people go.
I can hardly wait.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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did Harry get off his ass and put those bills up for a vote yet?
Nice how our POTUS wants to meet TOMORROW! AFTER the DEADLINE! :rolleyes:
Oh, but he such a GREAT Leader... :rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 28, 2013, 02:11:59 PM
Nice how our POTUS wants to meet TOMORROW! AFTER the DEADLINE! :rolleyes:
Oh, but he such a GREAT Leader... :rolleyes:
But he's been so busy traveling around meeting with the people. You can't honestly expect him to stay in DC when he has so much to do in other parts of the country now can you? I mean he has to get those voters to talk to their congressmen and let them know how they feel and sitting down with them, congress, himself to work out a deal just doesn't fit into his tight schedule.
Quote from: me on February 28, 2013, 02:49:28 PM
But he's been so busy traveling around meeting with the people. You can't honestly expect him to stay in DC when he has so much to do in other parts of the country now can you? I mean he has to get those voters to talk to their congressmen and let them know how they feel and sitting down with them, congress, himself to work out a deal just doesn't fit into his tight schedule.
SHUT THE DAMN GOVERNMENT DOWN. This is what the Republicans, Fox News and the Republican want since they missed shutting it down just a few months back. I know who will take the hit. We will get the bastards in 2014. :haha: :haha:
The GOVENRMENT is NOT going to shut down Troll, despite what MSNBC told you.
The WORLD is not going to end.
Quote from: The Troll on February 28, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
SHUT THE DAMN GOVERNMENT DOWN. This is what the Republicans, Fox News and the Republican want since they missed shutting it down just a few months back. I know who will take the hit. We will get the bastards in 2014. :haha: :haha:
Hey Ole' Troll Ole' Duke would just like to say " you gotta bad arse avatar".
;)
Best regards,
Duke (sorry for the interruption ) Jupiter
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 28, 2013, 05:08:58 PM
The GOVENRMENT is NOT going to shut down Troll, despite what MSNBC told you.
The WORLD is not going to end.
Henry, you and your Republican are the ones who preach doom and gloom. You and your Republican preach hate, deceit, racism and fear with code words. :yes:
But listening to Fox News and the Republicans this country has gone to hell since Obama, but in the real life we already been to hell with your George W. Bush and we are digging :dig: our way out. You Skippy and your Republicans want to go back to hell. :yes: You guys can go to hell if I had my way. :grin2:
Quote from: The Troll on February 28, 2013, 09:16:57 PM
Henry, you and your Republican are the ones who preach doom and gloom. You and your Republican preach hate, deceit, racism and fear with code words. :yes:
But listening to Fox News and the Republicans this country has gone to hell since Obama, but in the real life we already been to hell with your George W. Bush and we are digging :dig: our way out. You Skippy and your Republicans want to go back to hell. :yes: You guys can go to hell if I had my way. :grin2:
wtf are you talking about?
It is March 1,2013, the sun came up, the school bus ran. police went by,power still on, no planes falling from the sky. I went by the assisted living place no old people laying in the street. Looks like this scare by dear leader was a bust.
Quote from: RC on March 01, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
It is March 1,2013, the sun came up, the school bus ran. police went by,power still on, no planes falling from the sky. I went by the assisted living place no old people laying in the street. Looks like this scare by dear leader was a bust.
What a fricking idiot!
This shows just how ignorant you are about current events.
Quote from: Olias on March 01, 2013, 11:21:57 AM
What a fricking idiot!
This shows just how ignorant you are about current events.
Why am I a idiot? obama and his media henchmen have been trying to scare people for t he last two weeks. This is all a hoax just like global warming, but you believe that one too. A decrease in the amount of increase we are going to spend is not a cut. It will not affect me either way.
Quote from: RC on March 01, 2013, 11:36:57 AM
Why am I a idiot? obama and his media henchmen have been trying to scare people for t he last two weeks. This is all a hoax just like global warming, but you believe that one too. A decrease in the amount of increase we are going to spend is not a cut. It will not affect me either way.
If you lived in a military town you'd be squalling. . .
Quote from: RC on March 01, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
It is March 1,2013, the sun came up, the school bus ran. police went by,power still on, no planes falling from the sky. I went by the assisted living place no old people laying in the street. Looks like this scare by dear leader was a bust.
I got mail today too and had to pull over for an ambulance and fire truck to pass when I went to the store.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 01, 2013, 12:04:11 PM
If you lived in a military town you'd be squalling. . .
I'll catch my grandson on FB later and see what's happening in Alaska both on and off base.
Quote from: RC on March 01, 2013, 11:36:57 AM
Why am I a idiot? obama and his media henchmen have been trying to scare people for t he last two weeks. This is all a hoax just like global warming, but you believe that one too. A decrease in the amount of increase we are going to spend is not a cut. It will not affect me either way.
I honestly don't think they get that part about the decrease in the increase much less the part that it's only a little over 2% of that. Just think we get to do this all over again in about 3 weeks. I can hardly wait.
Quote from: me on March 01, 2013, 01:41:19 PM
I got mail today too and had to pull over for an ambulance and fire truck to pass when I went to the store.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I doubt the ambulance and fire truck were operated by Federal employees.
In any case, by law, the government must give employees 30 days notice before they can furlough them, even for a single day furlough. So the first furloughs you see will be next month.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Olias on March 01, 2013, 02:27:49 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I doubt the ambulance and fire truck were operated by Federal employees.
In any case, by law, the government must give employees 30 days notice before they can furlough them, even for a single day furlough. So the first furloughs you see will be next month.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I didn't know teachers were either but Obama said thousands of teachers would lose their jobs.
Quote from: me on March 01, 2013, 05:12:17 PM
I didn't know teachers were either but Obama said thousands of teachers would lose their jobs.
Teachers in federally funded programs such as Head Start probably will. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Quote from: Olias on March 01, 2013, 05:19:16 PM
Teachers in federally funded programs such as Head Start probably will. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ya know, if cutting a little over 2% from the increase does that and all the other doom and gloom things that were mentioned maybe it should happen anyway.
Quote from: me on March 01, 2013, 05:48:46 PM
Ya know, if cutting a little over 2% from the increase does that and all the other doom and gloom things that were mentioned maybe it should happen anyway.
You know, we could also save a lot of money by turning people like you away when you show up looking for health care. It isn't like you can really pay for it nor have you ever been a substantially regular contributor to the tax base and you're dumb as rocks so what's the point in keeping people like you alive? I say we let you pay for your health care out of your pocket and when you're out of money, we pull the plug and let you die. The world ends up being a better place and we save money!
Quote from: RC on February 27, 2013, 01:36:41 PM
You better run for the hills, or were ever you people go.
Go? Fuck that! I got a raise and a bonus today; sequestration is very good to me! I may go out this weekend and buy a couple more AR's and a shit-load of ammo as I am an expert marksman and can put a bullet through your bible at several hundred yards!
So what happened that was good in your world? Get some new tires or skirts for your double-wide? Your mom finally got that operation on her crotch? You were able to buy an extra case of Bud Light for the weekend?
#moronwhocantspellwherever
Quote from: Exterminator on March 01, 2013, 06:24:19 PM
You know, we could also save a lot of money by turning people like you away when you show up looking for health care. It isn't like you can really pay for it nor have you ever been a substantially regular contributor to the tax base and you're dumb as rocks so what's the point in keeping people like you alive? I say we let you pay for your health care out of your pocket and when you're out of money, we pull the plug and let you die. The world ends up being a better place and we save money!
Was gonna stoop to your level with my reply but decided against it. I will tell you this though, I do pay for my insurance and did contribute to the tax base for several years, almost 50 to be exact. Now are you done bashing me so we can get back to the issue or are you gonna continue with the bashing so you don't have to since you have nothing intelligent to contribute?
Wouldn't holding off on things like this be a better way to cut costs?
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http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22686684/us-60-million-new-aid-syria-opposition
US boosts aid to Syrian opposition, rebel fighters
POSTED: 02/28/2013 04:54:18 AM MST
UPDATED: 02/28/2013 10:49:35 AM MSTBy MATTHEW LEE Associated Press
ROME—In a significant policy shift, the Obama administration said Thursday it would for the first time provide non-lethal aid directly to rebels who are battling to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad, announcing an additional $60 million in assistance to Syria's political opposition.
The modest package of aid to the military wing of the opposition will consist of an as yet undetermined amount of food rations and medical supplies for members of the Free Syrian Army who will be carefully screened to ensure they do not have links to extremists.
The move was announced by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry at an international conference on Syria in Rome, and several European nations are expected in the coming days to take similar steps in working with the military wing of the opposition in order to ramp up pressure on Assad to step down and pave the way for a democratic transition. However, a number of Syrian opposition figures expressed disappointment with the limited assistance.
"We do this because we need to stand on the side of those in this fight who want to see Syria rise again and see democracy and human rights," Kerry said. "The stakes are really high, and we can't risk letting this country in the heart of the Middle East be destroyed by vicious autocrats or hijacked by the extremists."
"No nation, no people should live in fear of their so-called leaders," he said, adding that President Barack Obama's "decision to take further steps now is the result of the brutality of a superior armed force propped up by foreign fighters from Iran and Hezbollah."
Kerry and senior officials from 11 countries most active in calling for Assad to leave said in a joint statement released by the Italian foreign ministry that they had agreed in Rome on "the need to change the balance of power on the ground." It said the countries represented "will coordinate their efforts closely so as to best empower the Syrian people and support the Supreme Military Command of the Free Syrian Army in its efforts to help them exercise self-defense."
Britain and France, two countries that Kerry visited before traveling to Italy on his first official trip as secretary of state, have signaled that they want to begin supplying the rebels with defensive military equipment such as combat body armor, armored vehicles, night vision goggles and training. They are expected to make decisions on those items in the near future, in line with new guidance from the European Union, which still bars the provision of weapons and ammunition to anyone in Syria.
"We must go above and beyond the efforts we are making now," said Italian Foreign Minister Giulio Terzi, who hosted the conference. "We can no longer allow this massacre to continue."
Appearing beside Terzi and Kerry, the leader of the Syrian opposition coalition, Mouaz al-Khatib, delivered a forceful and emotional demand for Assad to stop the brutality of his forces that have in recent days launched scud missile attacks on the city of Aleppo that have been roundly condemned by much of the Western and Arab worlds
"Bashar Assad, for once in your life, behave as a human being," Khatib said. "Bashar Assad, you have to make at least one wise decision in your life for the future of your country."
The opposition has been appealing for some time for the international community to boost its support and to provide its military wing with lethal assistance, and while al-Khatib did not mention those requests, he pointedly made no reference to the new assistance that Kerry announced. Instead, he urged outside nations to support the creation of protected humanitarian corridors inside Syria, which the foreign ministers said they had "positively considered" by made no decisions.
Walid al-Bunni, a spokesman for the Syrian National Coalition, said the Syrian people have every right to feel "bitter" at the world's inaction even while "the scuds rain down on Aleppo" and expressed dissatisfaction with the aid announced by Kerry.
"We would have wished to receive a means with which to protect the innocent civilians dying from the regime's warplanes and scud missiles, but unfortunately, that was not even on the table," he said by telephone from Budapest.
The head of the rebel's Supreme Military Council, Gen. Salim Idris, told Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency before the meeting Thursday that the rebels' needs include anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.
"We hope that a decision is reached at the Friends of the Syrian People meeting which will enable us to obtain the weapons we need," the agency quoted Idris as saying. Idris said Assad's regime receives "unlimited" support from Russia and Iran.
Kerry defended the limited U.S. assistance, saying it was just part of what was being offered and that other countries would fill in any gaps. He said he was confident that the "totality" of the aid should be enough to prod Assad to start changing his calculations on remaining in power.
"We're doing this, but other countries are doing other things," he replied, without going into specifics. "I am confident the totality of this effort is going to have an impact on the ability of the Syrian opposition to accomplish its goals." Kerry said Thursday's meeting marked the "beginning of a process that will in fact change his (Assad's) calculation."
Washington has already provided $385 million in humanitarian aid to Syria's war-weary population and $54 million in communications equipment, medical supplies and other nonlethal assistance to Syria's political opposition. The U.S. also has screened rebel groups for Turkey and American allies in the Arab world that have armed rebel fighters.
But until now, no U.S. dollars or provisions have gone directly to rebel fighters, reflecting concerns about forces that have allied themselves with more radical Islamic elements since Assad's initial crackdown on peaceful protesters in March 2011.
The $60 million in new aid to the political opposition is intended to help the opposition govern newly liberated areas of Syria by aiding in the delivery of services and improving rule of law and human rights as well as to blunt the influence of extremists who have made inroads in some places.
The rations and medical supplies for the fighters will be delivered to the military council for distribution only to carefully vetted members of the Free Syrian Army, U.S. officials said.
The U.S. will be sending technical advisers to the Syrian National Coalition offices in Cairo to oversee and help them spend the money for good governance and rule of law. The advisers will be from non-governmental organizations and other groups that do this kind of work.
The foreign ministers' presentation was disrupted by one protester who called on them to "stop supporting terrorists."
Read more: US boosts aid to Syrian opposition, rebel fighters - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22686684/us-60-million-new-aid-syria-opposition#ixzz2MKvxo92r
Quote from: me on March 01, 2013, 07:15:39 PM
Wouldn't holding off on things like this be a better way to cut costs?
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Bullshit. This is a lie.
The Republican Dirty Tricks Team is live and well. It is amazing how the play the fish :fish: in America. The Bugle Mouth Bass (carp) bottom feeders. They suck in everything this lying group of hucksters puts out. If these sewer rats can't find something legit to cry :cry: about they make up a lie and Old Bugle Mouth "ME", Henry and RC sucks it in. :haha:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 05:04:17 PM
Bullshit. This is a lie.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22686684/us-60-million-new-aid-syria-opposition
US boosts aid to Syrian opposition, rebel fighters
POSTED: 02/28/2013 04:54:18 AM MST
UPDATED: 02/28/2013 10:49:35 AM MSTBy MATTHEW LEE Associated Press
ROME—In a significant policy shift, the Obama administration said Thursday it would for the first time provide non-lethal aid directly to rebels who are battling to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad, announcing an additional $60 million in assistance to Syria's political opposition.
The modest package of aid to the military wing of the opposition will consist of an as yet undetermined amount of food rations and medical supplies for members of the Free Syrian Army who will be carefully screened to ensure they do not have links to extremists.
The move was announced by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry at an international conference on Syria in Rome, and several European nations are expected in the coming days to take similar steps in working with the military wing of the opposition in order to ramp up pressure on Assad to step down and pave the way for a democratic transition. However, a number of Syrian opposition figures expressed disappointment with the limited assistance.
"We do this because we need to stand on the side of those in this fight who want to see Syria rise again and see democracy and human rights," Kerry said. "The stakes are really high, and we can't risk letting this country in the heart of the Middle East be destroyed by vicious autocrats or hijacked by the extremists."
"No nation, no people should live in fear of their so-called leaders," he said, adding that President Barack Obama's "decision to take further steps now is the result of the brutality of a superior armed force propped up by foreign fighters from Iran and Hezbollah."
Kerry and senior officials from 11 countries most active in calling for Assad to leave said in a joint statement released by the Italian foreign ministry that they had agreed in Rome on "the need to change the balance of power on the ground." It said the countries represented "will coordinate their efforts closely so as to best empower the Syrian people and support the Supreme Military Command of the Free Syrian Army in its efforts to help them exercise self-defense."
Britain and France, two countries that Kerry visited before traveling to Italy on his first official trip as secretary of state, have signaled that they want to begin supplying the rebels with defensive military equipment such as combat body armor, armored vehicles, night vision goggles and training. They are expected to make decisions on those items in the near future, in line with new guidance from the European Union, which still bars the provision of weapons and ammunition to anyone in Syria.
"We must go above and beyond the efforts we are making now," said Italian Foreign Minister Giulio Terzi, who hosted the conference. "We can no longer allow this massacre to continue."
Appearing beside Terzi and Kerry, the leader of the Syrian opposition coalition, Mouaz al-Khatib, delivered a forceful and emotional demand for Assad to stop the brutality of his forces that have in recent days launched scud missile attacks on the city of Aleppo that have been roundly condemned by much of the Western and Arab worlds
"Bashar Assad, for once in your life, behave as a human being," Khatib said. "Bashar Assad, you have to make at least one wise decision in your life for the future of your country."
The opposition has been appealing for some time for the international community to boost its support and to provide its military wing with lethal assistance, and while al-Khatib did not mention those requests, he pointedly made no reference to the new assistance that Kerry announced. Instead, he urged outside nations to support the creation of protected humanitarian corridors inside Syria, which the foreign ministers said they had "positively considered" by made no decisions.
Walid al-Bunni, a spokesman for the Syrian National Coalition, said the Syrian people have every right to feel "bitter" at the world's inaction even while "the scuds rain down on Aleppo" and expressed dissatisfaction with the aid announced by Kerry.
"We would have wished to receive a means with which to protect the innocent civilians dying from the regime's warplanes and scud missiles, but unfortunately, that was not even on the table," he said by telephone from Budapest.
The head of the rebel's Supreme Military Council, Gen. Salim Idris, told Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency before the meeting Thursday that the rebels' needs include anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.
"We hope that a decision is reached at the Friends of the Syrian People meeting which will enable us to obtain the weapons we need," the agency quoted Idris as saying. Idris said Assad's regime receives "unlimited" support from Russia and Iran.
Kerry defended the limited U.S. assistance, saying it was just part of what was being offered and that other countries would fill in any gaps. He said he was confident that the "totality" of the aid should be enough to prod Assad to start changing his calculations on remaining in power.
"We're doing this, but other countries are doing other things," he replied, without going into specifics. "I am confident the totality of this effort is going to have an impact on the ability of the Syrian opposition to accomplish its goals." Kerry said Thursday's meeting marked the "beginning of a process that will in fact change his (Assad's) calculation."
Washington has already provided $385 million in humanitarian aid to Syria's war-weary population and $54 million in communications equipment, medical supplies and other nonlethal assistance to Syria's political opposition. The U.S. also has screened rebel groups for Turkey and American allies in the Arab world that have armed rebel fighters.
But until now, no U.S. dollars or provisions have gone directly to rebel fighters, reflecting concerns about forces that have allied themselves with more radical Islamic elements since Assad's initial crackdown on peaceful protesters in March 2011.
The $60 million in new aid to the political opposition is intended to help the opposition govern newly liberated areas of Syria by aiding in the delivery of services and improving rule of law and human rights as well as to blunt the influence of extremists who have made inroads in some places.
The rations and medical supplies for the fighters will be delivered to the military council for distribution only to carefully vetted members of the Free Syrian Army, U.S. officials said.
The U.S. will be sending technical advisers to the Syrian National Coalition offices in Cairo to oversee and help them spend the money for good governance and rule of law. The advisers will be from non-governmental organizations and other groups that do this kind of work.
The foreign ministers' presentation was disrupted by one protester who called on them to "stop supporting terrorists."
Read more: US boosts aid to Syrian opposition, rebel fighters - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22686684/us-60-million-new-aid-syria-opposition#ixzz2MKvxo92r
Quote from: me on March 01, 2013, 07:15:39 PM
Wouldn't holding off on things like this be a better way to cut costs?
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/aidtosyria_zpsc20b2cc5.jpg)
Bullshit. This is a lie. (And it belongs in the UZ Outright Lie Tracker)
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 06:05:29 PM
Bullshit. This is a lie. (And it belongs in the UZ Outright Lie Tracker)
Quote from: me on March 02, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22686684/us-60-million-new-aid-syria-opposition
US boosts aid to Syrian opposition, rebel fighters
POSTED: 02/28/2013 04:54:18 AM MST
UPDATED: 02/28/2013 10:49:35 AM MSTBy MATTHEW LEE Associated Press
ROME—In a significant policy shift, the Obama administration said Thursday it would for the first time provide non-lethal aid directly to rebels who are battling to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad, announcing an additional $60 million in assistance to Syria's political opposition.
The modest package of aid to the military wing of the opposition will consist of an as yet undetermined amount of food rations and medical supplies for members of the Free Syrian Army who will be carefully screened to ensure they do not have links to extremists.
The move was announced by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry at an international conference on Syria in Rome, and several European nations are expected in the coming days to take similar steps in working with the military wing of the opposition in order to ramp up pressure on Assad to step down and pave the way for a democratic transition. However, a number of Syrian opposition figures expressed disappointment with the limited assistance.
"We do this because we need to stand on the side of those in this fight who want to see Syria rise again and see democracy and human rights," Kerry said. "The stakes are really high, and we can't risk letting this country in the heart of the Middle East be destroyed by vicious autocrats or hijacked by the extremists."
"No nation, no people should live in fear of their so-called leaders," he said, adding that President Barack Obama's "decision to take further steps now is the result of the brutality of a superior armed force propped up by foreign fighters from Iran and Hezbollah."
Kerry and senior officials from 11 countries most active in calling for Assad to leave said in a joint statement released by the Italian foreign ministry that they had agreed in Rome on "the need to change the balance of power on the ground." It said the countries represented "will coordinate their efforts closely so as to best empower the Syrian people and support the Supreme Military Command of the Free Syrian Army in its efforts to help them exercise self-defense."
Britain and France, two countries that Kerry visited before traveling to Italy on his first official trip as secretary of state, have signaled that they want to begin supplying the rebels with defensive military equipment such as combat body armor, armored vehicles, night vision goggles and training. They are expected to make decisions on those items in the near future, in line with new guidance from the European Union, which still bars the provision of weapons and ammunition to anyone in Syria.
"We must go above and beyond the efforts we are making now," said Italian Foreign Minister Giulio Terzi, who hosted the conference. "We can no longer allow this massacre to continue."
Appearing beside Terzi and Kerry, the leader of the Syrian opposition coalition, Mouaz al-Khatib, delivered a forceful and emotional demand for Assad to stop the brutality of his forces that have in recent days launched scud missile attacks on the city of Aleppo that have been roundly condemned by much of the Western and Arab worlds
"Bashar Assad, for once in your life, behave as a human being," Khatib said. "Bashar Assad, you have to make at least one wise decision in your life for the future of your country."
The opposition has been appealing for some time for the international community to boost its support and to provide its military wing with lethal assistance, and while al-Khatib did not mention those requests, he pointedly made no reference to the new assistance that Kerry announced. Instead, he urged outside nations to support the creation of protected humanitarian corridors inside Syria, which the foreign ministers said they had "positively considered" by made no decisions.
Walid al-Bunni, a spokesman for the Syrian National Coalition, said the Syrian people have every right to feel "bitter" at the world's inaction even while "the scuds rain down on Aleppo" and expressed dissatisfaction with the aid announced by Kerry.
"We would have wished to receive a means with which to protect the innocent civilians dying from the regime's warplanes and scud missiles, but unfortunately, that was not even on the table," he said by telephone from Budapest.
The head of the rebel's Supreme Military Council, Gen. Salim Idris, told Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency before the meeting Thursday that the rebels' needs include anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.
"We hope that a decision is reached at the Friends of the Syrian People meeting which will enable us to obtain the weapons we need," the agency quoted Idris as saying. Idris said Assad's regime receives "unlimited" support from Russia and Iran.
Kerry defended the limited U.S. assistance, saying it was just part of what was being offered and that other countries would fill in any gaps. He said he was confident that the "totality" of the aid should be enough to prod Assad to start changing his calculations on remaining in power.
"We're doing this, but other countries are doing other things," he replied, without going into specifics. "I am confident the totality of this effort is going to have an impact on the ability of the Syrian opposition to accomplish its goals." Kerry said Thursday's meeting marked the "beginning of a process that will in fact change his (Assad's) calculation."
Washington has already provided $385 million in humanitarian aid to Syria's war-weary population and $54 million in communications equipment, medical supplies and other nonlethal assistance to Syria's political opposition. The U.S. also has screened rebel groups for Turkey and American allies in the Arab world that have armed rebel fighters.
But until now, no U.S. dollars or provisions have gone directly to rebel fighters, reflecting concerns about forces that have allied themselves with more radical Islamic elements since Assad's initial crackdown on peaceful protesters in March 2011.
The $60 million in new aid to the political opposition is intended to help the opposition govern newly liberated areas of Syria by aiding in the delivery of services and improving rule of law and human rights as well as to blunt the influence of extremists who have made inroads in some places.
The rations and medical supplies for the fighters will be delivered to the military council for distribution only to carefully vetted members of the Free Syrian Army, U.S. officials said.
The U.S. will be sending technical advisers to the Syrian National Coalition offices in Cairo to oversee and help them spend the money for good governance and rule of law. The advisers will be from non-governmental organizations and other groups that do this kind of work.
The foreign ministers' presentation was disrupted by one protester who called on them to "stop supporting terrorists."
Read more: US boosts aid to Syrian opposition, rebel fighters - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22686684/us-60-million-new-aid-syria-opposition#ixzz2MKvxo92r
Quote from: me on March 01, 2013, 07:15:39 PM
Wouldn't holding off on things like this be a better way to cut costs?
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/Obama%20political%20for%20forum/aidtosyria_zpsc20b2cc5.jpg)
Bullshit. This is a lie and a blatant one.
Care to explain how the
POTUS released 10k illegal immigrants? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
NOTE:
CONGRESS passed the sequestration. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 06:14:49 PM
Bullshit. This is a lie and a blatant one.
Care to explain how the POTUS released 10k illegal immigrants? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
NOTE: CONGRESS passed the sequestration. . .
He didn't and everyone knows he didn't, and can't, but he did threaten it and you know it. He did, however, agree to send money to Syria while threatening to do just that and whining because there would be a shortage of money to keep them locked up. Don't you think we should curtail spending in foreign countries under the current circumstances? If you had bothered to look you would see that the money part of this is what I addressed not the other part. You go right ahead and put it in the lie tracker though I could care less.
Quote from: me on March 02, 2013, 06:36:32 PM
He didn't and everyone knows he didn't, and can't, but he did threaten it and you know it. He did, however, agree to send money to Syria while threatening to do just that and whining because there would be a shortage of money to keep them locked up. Don't you think we should curtail spending in foreign countries under the current circumstances? If you had bothered to look you would see that the money part of this is what I addressed not the other part. You go right ahead and put it in the lie tracker though I could care less.
The propaganda you posted in the form of that slide is what I was talking about, and all of it. Not the crap about the Syrian aid. (And I did post that part of it in the lie tracker because it IS a flat out lie).
So now I guess warning the American public of the consequences of the sequester is now threatening? Huh. I guess you and Woodward have a lot in common then. . . :rolleyes:
Whining about the shortage of money to keep them locked up? Really? Seems to me you are the one doing the whining! The POTUS was doing his JOB and warning us what would happen.
The problem with your posting is it uses lies. Period. There MAY have been aspects of it that I could have found some common ground on, but the problem is you muddied the water up with lies. That takes away all credibility.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 06:46:36 PM
The propaganda you posted in the form of that slide is what I was talking about, and all of it. Not the crap about the Syrian aid. (And I did post that part of it in the lie tracker because it IS a flat out lie).
So now I guess warning the American public of the consequences of the sequester is now threatening? Huh. I guess you and Woodward have a lot in common then. . . :rolleyes:
Whining about the shortage of money to keep them locked up? Really? Seems to me you are the one doing the whining! The POTUS was doing his JOB and warning us what would happen.
The problem with your posting is it uses lies. Period. There MAY have been aspects of it that I could have found some common ground on, but the problem is you muddied the water up with lies. That takes away all credibility.
He threatened a lot of stuff he couldn't and shouldn't do and you know it. They were part of his scare tactics to get his way by turning people against each other and that is not a lie. Even he had to retract what he said and admit some of these things may not or would not happen. That was posted to show the stupidity of how he is handling things, threatening to turn illegals loose on one hand and giving $60B to a foreign country with the other. You are so busy trying to defend him you aren't seeing the obvious. Sorry but I call it as I see it. No whine just fact.
Quote from: me on March 02, 2013, 07:04:28 PM
He threatened a lot of stuff he couldn't and shouldn't do and you know it. They were part of his scare tactics to get his way by turning people against each other and that is not a lie. Even he had to retract what he said and admit some of these things may not or would not happen. That was posted to show the stupidity of how he is handling things, threatening to turn illegals loose on one hand and giving $60B to a foreign country with the other. You are so busy trying to defend him you aren't seeing the obvious. Sorry but I call it as I see it. No whine just fact.
:pigdance:
Hum........With the lies that have been coming from the WH lately how do we know these figures aren't higher than stated here? You people just aren't getting it are you? What's wrong with releasing citizens who are incarcerated for back support or minor crimes? Why illegals?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/01/v-fullstory/3261547/documents-us-released-more-than.html
QuoteDHS freed over 2,000 immigrants since February.
FILE - In this Feb. 25, 2103 file photo, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano briefs reporters at the White House in Washington. The Homeland Security Department released more than 2,000 illegal immigrants facing deportation from immigration jails in recent weeks due to looming budget cuts and planned to release 3,000 more during March, The Associated Press has learned. CHARLES DHARAPAK, FILE / AP PHOTO
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BY ALICIA A. CALDWELL
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON -- The Homeland Security Department released from its jails more than 2,000 illegal immigrants facing deportation in recent weeks due to looming budget cuts and planned to release 3,000 more during March, The Associated Press has learned.
The newly disclosed figures, cited in internal budget documents reviewed by the AP, are significantly higher than the "few hundred" illegal immigrants the Obama administration acknowledged this week had been released under the budget-savings process.
The government documents show that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement released roughly 1,000 illegal immigrants from its jails around the U.S. each week since at least Feb. 15. The agency's field offices have reported more than 2,000 immigrants released before intense criticism this week led to a temporary shutdown of the plan, according to the documents.
The states where immigrants were released include Arizona, California, Georgia and Texas.
The White House has said it was not consulted about the releases, and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has acknowledged they occurred in a manner she regrets.
White House spokesman Jay Carney on Wednesday said the government had released "a few hundred" of the roughly 30,000 illegal immigrants held in federal detention pending deportation proceedings. Carney said the immigrants released were "low-risk, noncriminal detainees," and the decision was made by career ICE officials.
As of last week, the agency held an average daily population of 30,733 in its jails. The internal budget documents reviewed by the AP show the Obama administration had intended to reduce those figures to 25,748 by March 31.
The White House did not comment immediately Friday on the higher number of immigrants released.
ICE spokesman Brian Hale said Friday the numbers of immigration detainees fluctuate daily, but he reiterated only several hundred illegal immigrants had been released. "Beyond that normal movement, and as fiscal uncertainty remains over the continuing resolution and possible sequestration, ICE reviewed its detained population to ensure detention levels stay within ICE's current budget and placed several hundred individuals on methods of supervision less costly than detention," Hale said in a statement. "At this point, we don't anticipate additional releases, but that could change."
The immigrants who were released still eventually face deportation and are required to appear for upcoming court hearings. But they are no longer confined in immigration jails, where advocacy experts say they cost about $164 per day per person. Immigrants who are granted supervised release - with conditions that can include mandatory check-ins, home visits and GPS devices - cost the government from 30 cents to $14 a day, according to the National Immigration Forum, a group that advocates on behalf of immigrants.
The release of thousands from immigration jails is consistent with Napolitano's early warnings on Monday - hours before anyone knew publicly that any illegal immigrants had been released - that the pending, automatic budget cuts known as the sequester would limit the government's ability to maintain enough detention center beds for at least 34,000 immigrants.
"We're doing our very best to minimize the impacts of sequester, but there's only so much I can do," Napolitano said Monday. "You know, I'm supposed to have 34,000 detention beds for immigration. How do I pay for those?"
Late Thursday, after intense criticism over what the administration acknowledged was the release this week of several hundred immigrants, Napolitano told ABC News that she had been surprised to learn about the action.
"Detainee populations and how that is managed back and forth is really handled by career officials in the field," Napolitano told ABC. "Do I wish that this all hadn't been done all of a sudden and so that people weren't surprised by it? Of course."
The announcement that a few hundred illegal immigrants were being released was among the most significant and direct implications described so far by the automatic budget cuts. Republicans in Congress quickly criticized the decision and pressed the Homeland Security Department for details, including the number of illegal immigrants released and the nature of any criminal charges they were facing as part of the deportation process.
"Simply blaming budget reductions as a means to turn a blind eye toward the national security of the American people is a dangerous plan, and one that calls into question the department's preparations for sequestration," wrote two Republican lawmakers, Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa and Rep. Bob Goodlatte of Virginia, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.
Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., who sits on the Senate panel that oversees the Department of Homeland Security, harshly criticized the administration for downplaying the number of immigrants released, adding the revelation "makes it less and less possible for lawmakers to have productive negotiations with the White House over a comprehensive immigration bill."
The senior Homeland Security Department official in charge of arresting and deporting illegal immigrants announced his retirement to his staff on Tuesday, the same day the administration first openly confirmed the release of what it called several hundred immigrants. The executive associate director over ICE enforcement and removal operations, Gary Mead, told his staff he was leaving his job with mixed emotions. A career law enforcement officer, Mead will leave at the end of April.
After AP reported on Mead's retirement, ICE spokeswoman Gillian Christensen said his decision was not related to criticism over the jail releases and said Mead had notified the agency's senior leaders "several weeks ago" that he intended to leave. She also called AP's reporting about Mead's departure "inaccurate and misleading." On Thursday, ICE corrected her statement to say that Mead has notified his bosses "more than a week ago," not several weeks ago.
The later government statement also criticized AP's reporting as "ill-informed, inaccurate information" and complained that AP had failed to contact the agency before publishing what it called a "misguided headline," although the AP had noted its unsuccessful efforts to contact Mead directly by telephone and email.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/01/v-fullstory/3261547/documents-us-released-more-than.html#storylink=cpy
Quote from: me on March 02, 2013, 09:26:25 PM
Hum........With the lies that have been coming from the WH lately how do we know these figures aren't higher than stated here? You people just aren't getting it are you? What's wrong with releasing citizens who are incarcerated for back support or minor crimes? Why illegals?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/01/v-fullstory/3261547/documents-us-released-more-than.html
Umm. . . you aren't the brightest bulb in the pack are you?
Club Fed doesn't house child support scofflaws or minor criminals. . . :rotfl:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 09:37:33 PM
Umm. . . you aren't the brightest bulb in the pack are you?
Club Fed doesn't house child support scofflaws or minor criminals. . . :rotfl:
Ok then how about tax evaders in federal prisons? Oh and btw aren't all or most prisons subsidized by federal tax dollars?
Quote from: me on March 02, 2013, 09:51:46 PM
Ok then how about tax evaders in federal prisons? Oh and btw aren't all or most prisons subsidized by federal tax dollars?
Yeah. And when the sequestrations hit state prison subsidization funding and they begin releasing rapists we'll see how you feel about that. You aren't too worried about teachers or 800 thousand defense workers this hits, but one immigrant and the world is coming to an end!
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 09:56:25 PM
Yeah. And when the sequestrations hit state prison subsidization funding and they begin releasing rapists we'll see how you feel about that. You aren't too worried about teachers or 800 thousand defense workers this hits, but one immigrant and the world is coming to an end!
Head Start teachers not school teachers. You know it's really sad that a little over 2% of projected costs can do all this damage not to mention it will be approx 3 weeks 'til we are going through this again. When ya'll get over the warm fuzzies and reality sinks in you're really gonna be upset.
Quote from: me on March 02, 2013, 10:33:14 PM
Head Start teachers not school teachers. You know it's really sad that a little over 2% of projected costs can do all this damage not to mention it will be approx 3 weeks 'til we are going through this again. When ya'll get over the warm fuzzies and reality sinks in you're really gonna be upset.
I've been over it as far as congress is concerned. I was over it in August of 2011 when they passed that fuggin bullshit sequestration legislation, called it a POS then, and said this was going to happen
then. I am not surprised in the least at the status of this country.
These men and women in congress couldn't agree on toast or biscuits for breakfast, much less something like this. Half of them are in the pocket of corporate Amerika and the other half are wanting a lynching party in Washington. Both are some of the most selfish and self serving bitches and bastards to ever hold the office in the history of this nation; as is evident by their historical record of hemming, hawing, holding the least amongst us hostage to their political ideals, and saying no even when it is their own fricking suggestions put in front of them.
The POTUS cares, but you can bet your sweet ass the overwhelming majority of congress cares nothing but for themselves. Period.
If they truly were looking to motivate themselves to get something done about this shit, they'd have voted the cuts to include their own salaries and benefits. THAT might motivate their lazy asses.
But the presidents fault? Nope. You're barking up the wrong tree. But you don't care about that now do you? You want to see a lynching!
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 10:42:37 PM
I've been over it as far as congress is concerned. I was over it in August of 2011 when they passed that fuggin bullshit sequestration legislation, called it a POS then, and said this was going to happen then. I am not surprised in the least at the status of this country.
These men and women in congress couldn't agree on toast or biscuits for breakfast, much less something like this. Half of them are in the pocket of corporate Amerika and the other half are wanting a lynching party in Washington. Both are some of the most selfish and self serving bitches and bastards to ever hold the office in the history of this nation; as is evident by their historical record of hemming, hawing, holding the least amongst us hostage to their political ideals, and saying no even when it is their own fricking suggestions put in front of them.
The POTUS cares, but you can bet your sweet ass the overwhelming majority of congress cares nothing but for themselves. Period.
If they truly were looking to motivate themselves to get something done about this shit, they'd have voted the cuts to include their own salaries and benefits. THAT might motivate their lazy asses.
But the presidents fault? Nope. You're barking up the wrong tree. But you don't care about that now do you? You want to see a lynching!
I believe they did put the skids on the reaise Obama was going to give them. Guess he'd better stay in DC instead of running all over the country giving stump speaches and playing golf for a while huh?
Quote from: me on March 02, 2013, 10:55:51 PM
. . . Guess he'd better stay in DC instead of running all over the country giving stump speaches and playing golf for a while huh?
He cannot do a damn thing until congress does there part, and you know it. You are just jealous that he has vacation time.
You really just want him around so the lynching party can get to him . . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 11:07:29 PM
He cannot do a damn thing until congress does there part, and you know it. You are just jealous that he has vacation time.
You really just want him around so the lynching party can get to him . . .
I guess talking with them and trying to get it worked out, called leadership, isn't one of his job discriptions then huh? Since when did the job discription read give stump speaches, blame everybody else, take vacations, and do photo op shots become the entire job discription of POTUS? That seems to be all he does.
Quote from: me on March 02, 2013, 11:19:51 PM
I guess talking with them and trying to get it worked out, called leadership, isn't one of his job discriptions then huh? Since when did the job discription read give stump speaches, blame everybody else, take vacations, and do photo op shots become the entire job discription of POTUS? That seems to be all he does.
That's all Faux News tell you he does. . . so it must be true then eh? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 02, 2013, 11:37:01 PM
That's all Faux News tell you he does. . . so it must be true then eh? :rolleyes:
Now just what else have you noticed him doing?
Don't give me any crap that the POTUS cannot keep prisoners from being released. He certainly CAN. He is exploiting this situation for political gain. His job is to keep Americans SAFE. He has been jetting around the country BASHING republicans. He is the freakin leader.......he needs to start acting like one. He should be impeached for his horrendous acts. I am not even kidding around anymore about this. He is the one who needs to take the high road and bring the parties together............Instead the bastard goes around putting down everything they do. HE SUCKS!
That felt good. :yes:
:pigdance:
Quote from: me on March 03, 2013, 12:39:05 PM
Quit dancing and answer my question.
I am no longer wasting time with those who already have everything figured out. Remember?
Quote from: Palehorse on March 03, 2013, 01:17:46 PM
I am no longer wasting time with those who already have everything figured out. Remember?
Guess that means ya can't.
Quote from: me on March 03, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
Guess that means ya can't.
Bullshit and you know it. But if that makes all things right in your tiny little world then go with it. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 03, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
Bullshit and you know it. But if that makes all things right in your tiny little world then go with it. . .
Do it then. When is the last time he went over seas and met with the troops, had a dinner at the WH with leaders, met with advisors, had a press conference where he actually answered questions that weren't pre-approved, went to congress in an open to the public meeting and tried to get things worked out?
Quote from: me on March 03, 2013, 06:07:39 PM
Do it then. When is the last time he went over seas and met with the troops, had a dinner at the WH with leaders, met with advisors, had a press conference where he actually answered questions that weren't pre-approved, went to congress in an open to the public meeting and tried to get things worked out?
Nope. You'll not goad me into a war against an unarmed individual. . .
http://www.youtube.com/v/QPKKQnijnsM
Watch This - 6 minutes long
That video illustrates what will eventually bring about the demise of this failing experiment in democracy.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 03, 2013, 06:13:29 PM
Nope. You'll not goad me into a war against an unarmed individual. . .
Thought not. Gives ya something to think about though doesn't it?
Quote from: Palehorse on March 03, 2013, 06:25:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/QPKKQnijnsM
Watch This - 6 minutes long
I watched it. :o >:(
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
That video illustrates what will eventually bring about the demise of this failing experiment in democracy.
Exactly. :yes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
That video illustrates what will eventually bring about the demise of this failing experiment in democracy.
Another point that deserves being made about that is that those who control the wealth control the politics (aided and abetted by disastrous SCOTUS rulings like Citizens United). Congress isn't working for we the people anymore. They're working for that 1-2% at the top who have all of the money.
Quote from: Locutus on March 03, 2013, 08:19:47 PM
Another point that deserves being made about that is that those who control the wealth control the politics (aided and abetted by disastrous SCOTUS rulings like Citizens United). Congress isn't working for we the people anymore. They're working for that 1-2% at the top who have all of the money.
Absolutely! :yes:
Which is exactly why they don't care what happens to anyone else, and why they hold the least amongst us hostage to their supposed political ideals so readily.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 03, 2013, 06:25:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/QPKKQnijnsM
Watch This - 6 minutes long
Here it is the picture of Predatory Capitalism at it's finest. :rant: Also it shows us that we have the best Congress that money can by. :angry: Even the Supreme Court is boughten and the people who vote for the Republican Party wants this to happen to America. WTF. :doh:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 03, 2013, 06:25:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/QPKKQnijnsM
Watch This - 6 minutes long
Have you watched this yet?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 03, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
That video illustrates what will eventually bring about the demise of this failing experiment in democracy.
Quote from: Locutus on March 03, 2013, 08:19:47 PM
Another point that deserves being made about that is that those who control the wealth control the politics (aided and abetted by disastrous SCOTUS rulings like Citizens United). Congress isn't working for we the people anymore. They're working for that 1-2% at the top who have all of the money.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 03, 2013, 08:24:12 PM
Absolutely! :yes:
Which is exactly why they don't care what happens to anyone else, and why they hold the least amongst us hostage to their supposed political ideals so readily.
Quote from: The Troll on March 04, 2013, 10:44:54 PM
Here it is the picture of Predatory Capitalism at it's finest. :rant: Also it shows us that we have the best Congress that money can by. :angry: Even the Supreme Court is boughten and the people who vote for the Republican Party wants this to happen to America. WTF. :doh:
:pigdance:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 12:52:29 PM
:pigdance:
Practicing I see. . .
DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO YET?Quote from: Palehorse on March 03, 2013, 06:25:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/QPKKQnijnsM
Watch This - 6 minutes long
Yes I watched it, and it is a propaganda piece. Full of spin, baby spin.
Yes, we DO have some income disparity....but Gov intervention is NOT and will NEVER fix this. THAT is what caused it in the first place.
We need to allow those with money to freely spend it, not demand it from them.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 12:59:18 PM
Yes I watched it, and it is a propaganda piece. Full of spin, baby spin.
Yes, we DO have some income disparity....but Gov intervention is NOT and will NEVER fix this. THAT is what caused it in the first place.
We need to allow those with money to freely spend it, not demand it from them.
Wow. . . :spooked:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 12:59:18 PM
Yes I watched it, and it is a propaganda piece. Full of spin, baby spin.
Yes, we DO have some income disparity....but Gov intervention is NOT and will NEVER fix this. THAT is what caused it in the first place.
We need to allow those with money to freely spend it, not demand it from them.
Yep.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 05, 2013, 01:03:10 PM
Wow. . . :spooked:
They won't be satisfied until they've turned this into a third world country.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 05, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
They won't be satisfied until they've turned this into a third world country.
It would appear that we are heading that way, at least according to Obama's doom and gloom leadership...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 12:59:18 PM
Yes I watched it, and it is a propaganda piece. Full of spin, baby spin.
Yes, we DO have some income disparity....but Gov intervention is NOT and will NEVER fix this. THAT is what caused it in the first place.
We need to allow those with money to freely spend it, not demand it from them.
If they're allowed to freely spend it, what do you suppose they'll spend it on? I suggest it isn't going to be on the things you think they will if they're left to do as they please.
If, as you claim, government intervention created the disparity in the first place, then how do you suggest we fix it? If nothing is done, more wealth will continue to flow to those on the far right of the chart.
Since there's no sign of that trend reversing, what do you think will happen as more of the wealth continues to shift to those on the right leaving less and less for those 90% and below on the graph, with the poverty line advancing further to the right with each passing year?
Quote from: Locutus on March 05, 2013, 02:14:27 PM
If they're allowed to freely spend it, what do you suppose they'll spend it on? I suggest it isn't going to be on the things you think they will if they're left to do as they please.
If, as you claim, government intervention created the disparity in the first place, then how do you suggest we fix it? If nothing is done, more wealth will continue to flow to those on the far right of the chart.
Since there's no sign of that trend reversing, what do you think will happen as more of the wealth continues to shift to those on the right leaving less and less for those 90% and below on the graph, with the poverty line advancing further to the right with each passing year?
Let me ask you a question first....How do you suggest the money that the rich has obtained is "re-distributed"?
Two words as to why our stock market is doing well (for now)....Quantive Easing ...and there will be a down-side to this.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
Let me ask you a question first....How do you suggest the money that the rich has obtained is "re-distributed"?
Give me lots.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 03:26:04 PM
Two words as to why our stock market is doing well (for now)....Quantive Easing ...and there will be a down-side to this.
If you can't spell it, I doubt you can understand it.
Quote from: Olias on March 05, 2013, 03:38:02 PM
If you can't spell it, I doubt you can understand it.
sorry, typo. OH, its okay for some to have typo's on here, but not everyone...I get it. Btw, I DO understand, I have just read all about it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 02:22:15 PM
Let me ask you a question first....How do you suggest the money that the rich has obtained is "re-distributed"?
I don't recall suggesting redistribution, nor do I recall redistribution being suggested in the video.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 03:47:58 PM
OH, its okay for some to have typo's on here, but not everyone...I get it.
Oh, so it's just a typo when you use seen instead of saw; right? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 05, 2013, 04:15:19 PM
Oh, so it's just a typo when you use seen instead of saw; right? :rolleyes:
Sometimes just to get under your skin and sometimes just 'cause I want to. Kind of like using gonna, outta, or some of the other off the wall I do. I ain't the one tryin' to be somethin' I ain't here.
Quote from: Locutus on March 05, 2013, 03:54:20 PM
I don't recall suggesting redistribution, nor do I recall redistribution being suggested in the video.
I guess that is why I am asking you, what is YOUR resolution to this income disparity?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 04:27:52 PM
I guess that is why I am asking you, what is YOUR resolution to this income disparity?
Here's part of it. Let's see if you can get the broader picture given a reference to something with which you've claimed a familiarity.
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." --- Luke 12:48 (NIV)
Now then. What do you think is going to happen if the trend continues in the manner in which it has been? What's going to happen if wealth continues to shift to the already overly bloated right side of the graph, and the poverty line keeps shifting to the right from the already hurting left side of the graph? Unabated, the poverty line is eventually going to encroach on what used to be "the healthy middle class." What happens then?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 05, 2013, 04:27:52 PM
I guess that is why I am asking you, what is YOUR resolution to this income disparity?
We've been telling you our multi-faceted approach all along...even taxes on
all income, elimination of loopholes for the rich, living minimum wage, etc., etc., etc.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-t1QS1wLpdAg/To2iquzUC2I/AAAAAAAACJg/gTt5aOr-VqU/s1600/Brief+History+of+Corporate+Whining.jpg)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on February 22, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
Rand Paul, for the second year has given money BACK to the US Treasury for unspent money for his operating costs. Last year he gave back $500,000 and this year he gave back $600,000. He also said, that if the federal wages was lined up with the private sector, it would save the tax payers $50 billion.
THAT is the type of LEADERSHIP we need in Washington.
I'll bet that John Boner and Turtle Head McConnell aren't give any money back. :haha: :haha:
Henry, you say that you caught Obama in a bald face lie. :confused: Maybe if you Republicans wouldn't lie and try to scare people, Obama would stop lying. :doh:
Republican stop :stop: lying? :haha: :haha: :haha: HOW THAT'S BULLSHIT AND SPIN. :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 05, 2013, 08:19:17 PM
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked." --- Luke 12:48 (NIV)
This only works if it is from "free-will"...and NOT enforced by Washington.
I'm also not saying something needs to be done........getting our economy back in full force would do wonders about broadening our middle-class.....
We need to "drill, baby drill"...."frack, baby frack"...utilize our resources, create millions of jobs.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 06, 2013, 07:59:26 AM
This only works if it is from "free-will"...and NOT enforced by Washington.
I'm also not saying something needs to be done........getting our economy back in full force would do wonders about broadening our middle-class.....
We need to "drill, baby drill"...."frack, baby frack"...utilize our resources, create millions of jobs.
Do you think it's working now, or are the top 1-2% influencing lawmakers to pass laws that continue to keep them at an advantage, and so more money flows into their pockets? Is it fair that those people pay less of a percentage on their annual income taxes than you do? Warren Buffett doesn't think so. Do you?
What's wrong with what Exterminator said right here?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 05, 2013, 09:30:50 PM
We've been telling you our multi-faceted approach all along...even taxes on all income, elimination of loopholes for the rich, living minimum wage, etc., etc., etc.
60k CBP agents face furloughs
Thanks for the bump PH. HH hasn't answered my question yet. ;D
Quote from: Locutus on March 07, 2013, 08:33:07 PM
Thanks for the bump PH. HH hasn't answered my question yet. ;D
Good luck with that.
In addition 170+ air traffic control towers are closing, and another 90 or so will follow those in 6 months. Moreover, airports are being asked to justify control towers beyond those already slated for closure.
If the company you work for imports parts get ready for massive delays to delivery. Same for exporting.
And just why is he threatening cuts of that nature rather than non essential cuts like uniforms for airport security, money to send to other countries, WH collegraphers, and those created buddy buddy jobs for the brown nosers and suck ups. He's been caught in so many lies about this sequester he's becoming a laughing stock as well as are those who try to defend him. Of course you probably aren't seeing any of that on your lame stream media.
Quote from: me on March 07, 2013, 09:31:22 PM
Of course you probably aren't seeing any of that on your lame stream media.
I know I won't see that on your news network Fox News. :razz:
Quote from: Locutus on March 06, 2013, 11:32:51 AM
Do you think it's working now, or are the top 1-2% influencing lawmakers to pass laws that continue to keep them at an advantage, and so more money flows into their pockets? Is it fair that those people pay less of a percentage on their annual income taxes than you do? Warren Buffett doesn't think so. Do you?
What's wrong with what Exterminator said right here?
Bump
Quote from: Locutus on March 06, 2013, 11:32:51 AM
Do you think it's working now, or are the top 1-2% influencing lawmakers to pass laws that continue to keep them at an advantage, and so more money flows into their pockets? Is it fair that those people pay less of a percentage on their annual income taxes than you do? Warren Buffett doesn't think so. Do you?
My only response is that the top 25% of the wage earners of this country pay 86% of all the federal income. They also are the ones who give GENEROUSLY to charities. They are the ones who supply jobs. I don't HATE these guys at all...I think we need to encourage them to spend, instead of CONSTANTLY demonizing them and trying to get MORE and MORE from them...they already raised their taxes and a month later, they want MORE....we already have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. Why not lower that rate for those business that are exclusively doing work HERE in the USA?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2013, 09:20:10 AM
My only response is that the top 25% of the wage earners of this country pay 86% of all the federal income. They also are the ones who give GENEROUSLY to charities. They are the ones who supply jobs. I don't HATE these guys at all...I think we need to encourage them to spend, instead of CONSTANTLY demonizing them and trying to get MORE and MORE from them...they already raised their taxes and a month later, they want MORE....we already have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. Why not lower that rate for those business that are exclusively doing work HERE in the USA?
I just wonder if GE's CEO who is buddy buddy with Obama, in fact he's the head of the council on jobs, moved jobs overseas and paid NO taxes this year and FB CEO who is also buddy buddy with Obama and paid NO taxes this year are included in the list of people these guys hate. Oh, and on a side note GE was the recipent of some of that stimulus money too.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/ceos/jeffrey-immelt-net-worth/
http://voices.yahoo.com/obamas-pick-jeffrey-immelt-proves-cronyism-and-7678752.html
http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/facebook-makes-billion-dollar-profit-yet-pays-no-taxes
I would remind everyone here that congress passed the sequester. . .
The same idiots that did this:
A CNN analysis of thousands of pages of Congressional expense reports shows that in the months leading up to the fiscal cliff (and potential, sharp budget cuts), nearly a quarter of the lawmakers in the House of Representatives gave their own office staff bonuses. . .
hat money is itemized as "Other Compensation" in the more than 2000-page report.
Only a handful of members of Congress gave us statements defended the bonuses last quarter. Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA, wrote, "have a hard working, dedicated team... and I want to pay a salary that reflects their service."
He said he only gives bonuses if there is "money left over" at the end of the year.
Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-FL, responded, "The small compensation reflects an increased workload each person had to take on after our staff was downsized because of budgetary cuts."
Similarly, Rep. Dennis Ross, R-FL insisted that the bonuses allowed him to save money. "I believe performance-based pay is an important incentive in the workplace... Also, in the past year we've reduced our staff... The bonuses are to reward those remaining for taking on additional duties," he said . . .
http://cnnradio.cnn.com/2013/03/08/congressional-bonuses-in-a-time-of-cuts/?hpt=hp_t3 (http://cnnradio.cnn.com/2013/03/08/congressional-bonuses-in-a-time-of-cuts/?hpt=hp_t3)
So, while they may have cut staff levels, they increased the salaries of those remaining; in direct conflict with their supposed desire to "cut" the spending mantra. . . And surprisingly (not) in direct conflict with what happens in the business world when such things happen; increased workload, no raises, and longer hours. :rant:
What happened to all the bad stuff obama said would happen?
Quote from: me on March 08, 2013, 09:37:40 AM
I just wonder if GE's CEO who is buddy buddy with Obama, in fact he's the head of the council on jobs, moved jobs overseas and paid NO taxes this year and FB CEO who is also buddy buddy with Obama and paid NO taxes this year are included in the list of people these guys hate. Oh, and on a side note GE was the recipent of some of that stimulus money too.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/ceos/jeffrey-immelt-net-worth/
http://voices.yahoo.com/obamas-pick-jeffrey-immelt-proves-cronyism-and-7678752.html
http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/facebook-makes-billion-dollar-profit-yet-pays-no-taxes
Quote from: Palehorse on March 08, 2013, 12:14:30 PM
I would remind everyone here that congress passed the sequester. . .
Quote from: Palehorse on March 08, 2013, 12:33:00 PM
The same idiots that did this:
A CNN analysis of thousands of pages of Congressional expense reports shows that in the months leading up to the fiscal cliff (and potential, sharp budget cuts), nearly a quarter of the lawmakers in the House of Representatives gave their own office staff bonuses. . .
hat money is itemized as "Other Compensation" in the more than 2000-page report.
Only a handful of members of Congress gave us statements defended the bonuses last quarter. Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA, wrote, "have a hard working, dedicated team... and I want to pay a salary that reflects their service."
He said he only gives bonuses if there is "money left over" at the end of the year.
Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart, R-FL, responded, "The small compensation reflects an increased workload each person had to take on after our staff was downsized because of budgetary cuts."
Similarly, Rep. Dennis Ross, R-FL insisted that the bonuses allowed him to save money. "I believe performance-based pay is an important incentive in the workplace... Also, in the past year we've reduced our staff... The bonuses are to reward those remaining for taking on additional duties," he said . . .
http://cnnradio.cnn.com/2013/03/08/congressional-bonuses-in-a-time-of-cuts/?hpt=hp_t3 (http://cnnradio.cnn.com/2013/03/08/congressional-bonuses-in-a-time-of-cuts/?hpt=hp_t3)
So, while they may have cut staff levels, they increased the salaries of those remaining; in direct conflict with their supposed desire to "cut" the spending mantra. . . And surprisingly (not) in direct conflict with what happens in the business world when such things happen; increased workload, no raises, and longer hours. :rant:
Trollin, trollin, trollin..........keep them doggies trollin..............
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2013, 12:57:30 PM
Trollin, trollin, trollin..........keep them doggies trollin..............
Stating the facts is trolling?
Quote from: me on March 08, 2013, 09:37:40 AM
I just wonder if GE's CEO who is buddy buddy with Obama, in fact he's the head of the council on jobs, moved jobs overseas and paid NO taxes this year and FB CEO who is also buddy buddy with Obama and paid NO taxes this year are included in the list of people these guys hate. Oh, and on a side note GE was the recipent of some of that stimulus money too.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/ceos/jeffrey-immelt-net-worth/
http://voices.yahoo.com/obamas-pick-jeffrey-immelt-proves-cronyism-and-7678752.html
http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/facebook-makes-billion-dollar-profit-yet-pays-no-taxes
Quote from: me on March 08, 2013, 01:52:28 PM
This rich Clown didn't pay any taxes under your Moron George W. Bush either. So what are you trying too saying Clarabell. :confused: :wink:
Quote from: Olias on March 08, 2013, 01:02:27 PM
Stating the facts is trolling?
Of course it is. Facts do not nest nicely within their world view. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on February 25, 2013, 01:04:20 PM
Yes.
You know, I wish I could buy a gallon of milk for 10 cents, a gallon of gas for 15 cents, and prime cut beef for a nickel a pound, but those days are gone. They have been gone and to expect them to return and to be able to provide sustenance to my family on a budget created 70 years ago is unrealistic. Same goes for government.
Yes it may be historically high, but so are our responsibilities, our population, our infrastructure, and the costs.
You guys are bitching about the price of eggs and killing the chickens.
I just told you that the current sequester will result in 11,000 jobs being eliminated in civilian military support positions in this state alone. Education funding will instantly drop by 13.8 million in this state. And as you are so fond of pointing out, the "trickle down" impact of these losses alone will multiply the job losses exponentially, resulting in even more job losses, foreclosures, and yes, homelessness; and that is just within this state. Multiply that by 50 and see what you get.
Eliminate unemployment compensation beyond 26 weeks and you fast track the homeless aspect of this insidious path the GOP is hell-bent for leather upon forcing us down.
I just want to add (and maybe it was covered in your description of the "trickle down effect)", but they're not considering the negative impact of the ripple effect to the economy as nearly 2 million federal employees plan for furlough. I think I heard a figure of 880,000 federal employees, but I could be wrong. They're not buying. They were told a month ago not to purchase homes, cars, big ticket items. They were told to save as much as they possibly can until the furlough takes effect. Most will not be eligible for unemployment because of the way the furloughs are structured so that they only lose two days a pay period. While it's not as devistating as losing a job, it will cause problems with meeting financial obligations for quite a few. I suspect some may be able to find part time jobs, but w/the large numbers of employees being impacted in concentrated areas...good luck. :no:
Quote from: RC on March 08, 2013, 12:34:01 PM
What happened to all the bad stuff obama said would happen?
Are you really that stupid? or are you just looking for a reaction? Seriously, if you can't see the impact then you're obviously not paying attention.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 10, 2013, 09:08:50 PM
I just want to add (and maybe it was covered in your description of the "trickle down effect)", but they're not considering the negative impact of the ripple effect to the economy as nearly 2 million federal employees plan for furlough. I think I heard a figure of 880,000 federal employees, but I could be wrong. They're not buying. They were told a month ago not to purchase homes, cars, big ticket items. They were told to save as much as they possibly can until the furlough takes effect. Most will not be eligible for unemployment because of the way the furloughs are structured so that they only lose two days a pay period. While it's not as devistating as losing a job, it will cause problems with meeting financial obligations for quite a few. I suspect some may be able to find part time jobs, but w/the large numbers of employees being impacted in concentrated areas...good luck. :no:
Yup! Some of the folks around here seem to think its no big deal to get a friggin job these days. They are wrong, of course but then either they've grown fat and sassy in their current role, taking it for granted, or they do not really want/need a job in the first place. Either way they are completely out of touch with the reality that is the job market today. They're going to require Devine intervention when reality comes to backhand them across the chops though. :yes:
And if they got their way there would be millions more out of work, and homelessness would be 1000 times worse than it is at the moment. :spooked:
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 10, 2013, 09:08:50 PM
I just want to add (and maybe it was covered in your description of the "trickle down effect)", but they're not considering the negative impact of the ripple effect to the economy as nearly 2 million federal employees plan for furlough. I think I heard a figure of 880,000 federal employees, but I could be wrong. They're not buying. They were told a month ago not to purchase homes, cars, big ticket items. They were told to save as much as they possibly can until the furlough takes effect. Most will not be eligible for unemployment because of the way the furloughs are structured so that they only lose two days a pay period. While it's not as devistating as losing a job, it will cause problems with meeting financial obligations for quite a few. I suspect some may be able to find part time jobs, but w/the large numbers of employees being impacted in concentrated areas...good luck. :no:
All this over only 2%? Damn, Obama better give up golf and vacationing then huh?
Quote from: me on March 10, 2013, 09:58:42 PM
All this over only 2%? Damn, Obama better give up golf and vacationing then huh?
^ Gets my vote for the most uniformed post of the decade.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 10, 2013, 10:01:16 PM
^ Gets my vote for the most uniformed post of the decade.
First part true second sarcastic. Now all this will come to pass if they don't come to some sort of agreement when it's that time again in about 2 weeks. Personally I think, even though it would be a huge mistake and make things a whole lot worse, they should give Obama his way and let him sink with it.
Quote from: me on March 10, 2013, 09:58:42 PM
All this over only 2%? Damn, Obama better give up golf and vacationing then huh?
Why should he, George W. Bush the king loser of losers sure didn't did he. :no: More sour grapes from England Sweetie Tootie. :rolleyes:
Quote from: me on March 10, 2013, 10:07:35 PM
First part true second sarcastic. Now all this will come to pass if they don't come to some sort of agreement when it's that time again in about 2 weeks. Personally I think, even though it would be a huge mistake and make things a whole lot worse, they should give Obama his way and let him sink with it.
This a perfect example of why I should stick to the "fun" threads.
Our leaders (read ALL of our leaders) need to get over being "right" and come to a consensus on what's best.
And you know what's gonna have to freeze over before that happens don't ya? :wink:
Quote from: me on March 11, 2013, 04:13:14 PM
And you know what's gonna have to freeze over before that happens don't ya? :wink:
That has happened. (Think Eagles)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 08, 2013, 09:20:10 AM
My only response is that the top 25% of the wage earners of this country pay 86% of all the federal income. They also are the ones who give GENEROUSLY to charities. They are the ones who supply jobs. I don't HATE these guys at all...I think we need to encourage them to spend, instead of CONSTANTLY demonizing them and trying to get MORE and MORE from them...they already raised their taxes and a month later, they want MORE....we already have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. Why not lower that rate for those business that are exclusively doing work HERE in the USA?
You know Hank, it's posts like this that make you out to be an 'educated idiot' and a scourge on our democracy. You have some technical education and ability, but beyond that I'm really surprised you manage to keep breathing on your own. Idiot participants in our representative democratic republic such as you are a goodly part of the basis for the corrupted country we have now. You refuse to educate yourself and yet are SO full of yourself to think you have a clue as to what's going on, and what's worse you think you have the answers when you don't even see the problems.
A couple of graphs I've shown you and your ilk before:
(http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/images/wealth/Net_worth_and_financial_wealth.gif)
http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
The top 20% own at least 89% of the net worth and 95% of the financial wealth of the U.S. as of 2010 - and it's only become worse since then.
1. That small percentage owns almost everything and yet YOU'RE carrying water for them and crying because, while they have the vast wealth with which to pay all the bills for this country, they're only paying 86% on a far smaller percentage of income tax per person than you, I, or the rest of us poor schmucks who make up the 80% of us bottom dwellers.
2. They don't 'give' to charities - we do, us bottom dwellers. Their 'charitable contributions' are tax deductions for them - and that means us bottom dwellers have to make up for that loss of tax income...we are being forced to make those 'charitable contributions' for them while they not only reap the benefits but garner the 'prestige' to make themselves look like saints while they strip our pocketbooks.
3. They aren't really providing jobs - again as with 'charitable contributions' through the tax code, us bottom dwellers are providing those jobs and creating the wealth for them that they use to continue gaming the system in their favor...as if it's not already skewed to benefit them beyond belief. Practically everything that is a cost is a tax deduction...which means bottom dwellers are again making up for that loss of tax income and subsidizing the creation and running of business - in essence, creating our own poor paying jobs AND the wealth of that top 20%.
4. What we have in this country and our capitalistic economy is - as I've repeatedly pointed out over the years - a new feudalism, capitalistic serfdom. We still have the lords and the serfs - those that own and the rest of us surviving on the scraps. Until we serfs shake off our chains and take back control of our government and our economy things will only get worse.
This broken system is what you continually push for and for breaking it even worse to get rid of any vestiges of a fair and equitable society. That's the broken world you want to hand down to your children...and apparently you don't even care.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on March 11, 2013, 03:33:09 PM
This a perfect example of why I should stick to the "fun" threads.
Our leaders (read ALL of our leaders) need to get over being "right" and come to a consensus on what's best.
How can we come to any consensus when the inmates are running the asylum?
I hate to say it, but I really see America as an asylum with the crazies ruining us with their insanity. There's no way to reason with them because they're crazy. The internet allowed the crazies to know there were other crazies out there and they could spout their insanity where they could all flock to each other and make that incessant buzzing noize machine that feeds on fear and idiocy and creates more crazies.
That consensus is frightening because rational thought, human rights, facts, evidence, logic, science, nothing of any higher intellect that could drive us to productive consensus mean anything to the crazies.
I'm actually afraid for us.
Quote from: Y on March 15, 2013, 05:37:58 PM
You know Hank, it's posts like this that make you out to be an 'educated idiot' and a scourge on our democracy. You have some technical education and ability, but beyond that I'm really surprised you manage to keep breathing on your own. Idiot participants in our representative democratic republic such as you are a goodly part of the basis for the corrupted country we have now. You refuse to educate yourself and yet are SO full of yourself to think you have a clue as to what's going on, and what's worse you think you have the answers when you don't even see the problems.
A couple of graphs I've shown you and your ilk before:
(http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/images/wealth/Net_worth_and_financial_wealth.gif)
The top 20% own at least 89% of the net worth and 95% of the financial wealth of the U.S. as of 2010 - and it's only become worse since then.
1. That small percentage owns almost everything and yet YOU'RE carrying water for them and crying because, while they have the vast wealth with which to pay all the bills for this country, they're only paying 86% on a far smaller percentage of income tax per person than you, I, or the rest of us poor schmucks who make up the 80% of us bottom dwellers.
2. They don't 'give' to charities - we do, us bottom dwellers. Their 'charitable contributions' are tax deductions for them - and that means us bottom dwellers have to make up for that loss of tax income...we are being forced to make those 'charitable contributions' for them while they not only reap the benefits but garner the 'prestige' to make themselves look like saints while they strip our pocketbooks.
3. They aren't really providing jobs - again as with 'charitable contributions' through the tax code, us bottom dwellers are providing those jobs and creating the wealth for them that they use to continue gaming the system in their favor...as if it's not already skewed to benefit them beyond belief. Practically everything that is a cost is a tax deduction...which means bottom dwellers are again making up for that loss of tax income and subsidizing the creation and running of business - in essence, creating our own poor paying jobs AND the wealth of that top 20%.
4. What we have in this country and our capitalistic economy is - as I've repeatedly pointed out over the years - a new feudalism, capitalistic serfdom. We still have the lords and the serfs - those that own and the rest of us surviving on the scraps. Until we serfs shake off our chains and take back control of our government and our economy things will only get worse.
This broken system is what you continually push for and for breaking it even worse to get rid of any vestiges of a fair and equitable society. That's the broken world you want to hand down to your children...and apparently you don't even care.
Nope, you are wrong. Not much more I can say, or will say other than your arrogance is so dominating that you are unable to understand some basic, common sense. Typical of most liberals I know. Since you want to fling insults, which is also, very characteristic of liberals.........you are nothing more than a better old man, whose life didn't go the way he believed it was going to go, because of the unrealistic approach you took in life.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2013, 09:50:24 PM
Nope, you are wrong. Not much more I can say, or will say other than your arrogance is so dominating that you are unable to understand some basic, common sense. Typical of most liberals I know. Since you want to fling insults, which is also, very characteristic of liberals.........you are nothing more than a better old man, whose life didn't go the way he believed it was going to go, because of the unrealistic approach you took in life.
Of course there's no more you can say because you don't see the issues, the problems, or the answers. If you could, even in your inarticulate way, you would be able to present some iota of compelling evidence/fact or cogent argument either supporting your BS or invalidating mine.
But no, you pull the RC routine and whine.
Quote from: Y on March 15, 2013, 10:23:01 PM
Of course there's no more you can say because you don't see the issues, the problems, or the answers. If you could, even in your inarticulate way, you would be able to present some iota of compelling evidence/fact or cogent argument either supporting your BS or invalidating mine.
But no, you pull the RC routine and whine.
I have indeed articulated my views on here, with links supporting my beliefs......but, it is just dismissed for reasons others on here do no wish to share, because it does not line up with their thoughts.
Damn!! Henry Hawk is a Night Hawk! :spooked: :biggrin:
Quote from: Locutus on March 16, 2013, 12:17:22 AM
Damn!! Henry Hawk is a Night Hawk! :spooked: :biggrin:
but going to bed ... had kids to pick up.........and now I am BUSHED! :yes:
G'night! ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 16, 2013, 12:16:48 AM
I have indeed articulated my views on here, with links supporting my beliefs......but, it is just dismissed for reasons others on here do no wish to share, because it does not line up with their thoughts.
No, it's usually dismissed because it's the usual regurgitated BS you've been spoon fed by the RW noize machine or it's your typical ideological BS that you don't bother to think through.
In either case you can't blame anyone but yourself.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 15, 2013, 09:50:24 PM
Nope, you are wrong. Not much more I can say, or will say other than your arrogance is so dominating that you are unable to understand some basic, common sense. Typical of most liberals I know. Since you want to fling insults, which is also, very characteristic of liberals.........you are nothing more than a better old man, whose life didn't go the way he believed it was going to go, because of the unrealistic approach you took in life.
1. When you can't see the obvious - and very learnable - things I pointed out in my OP, I don't think those who actually educate themselves are going to take the idea that you have any 'common sense' seriously.
2. Why is it y'all seem to repeatedly find the truth insulting? Maybe if y'all wouldn't be so lazy and educate yourselves, you wouldn't be so insulted when you're called on your ignorance and BS.
Quote from: Y on March 20, 2013, 06:26:08 PM
1. When you can't see the obvious - and very learnable - things I pointed out in my OP, I don't think those who actually educate themselves are going to take the idea that you have any 'common sense' seriously.
2. Why is it y'all seem to repeatedly find the truth insulting? Maybe if y'all wouldn't be so lazy and educate yourselves, you wouldn't be so insulted when you're called on your ignorance and BS.
I really think that Gays are wired differently than most people, what some people would say is a gift from god. Now Henry, "ME" and RC are wired differently too. How else could they be so fucked up. :wink: :biggrin:
Quote from: Y on March 20, 2013, 06:26:08 PM
1. When you can't see the obvious - and very learnable - things I pointed out in my OP, I don't think those who actually educate themselves are going to take the idea that you have any 'common sense' seriously.
2. Why is it y'all seem to repeatedly find the truth insulting? Maybe if y'all wouldn't be so lazy and educate yourselves, you wouldn't be so insulted when you're called on your ignorance and BS.
Maybe when you quit using the word "y'all", I will take you more seriously.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 21, 2013, 09:26:48 AM
Maybe when you quit using the word "y'all", I will take you more seriously.
He's trying to put it in a vernacular y'all might understand. :biggrin:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 21, 2013, 09:48:23 AM
He's trying to put it in a vernacular y'all might understand. :biggrin:
He is actually being condescending.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 21, 2013, 09:26:48 AM
Maybe when you quit using the word "y'all", I will take you more seriously.
No. You will not.
Quote from: me on March 21, 2013, 11:37:49 AM
He is actually being condescending.
Case in point. ---^
Quote from: Palehorse on March 21, 2013, 12:05:28 PM
No. You will not.
Case in point. ---^
I said "maybe".
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 21, 2013, 12:06:51 PM
I said "maybe".
"Maybe" implies a level of possibility of something taking place. I am pointing out the fallacy in that statement. There isn't an ice-cube's chance in your Hell of such a thing occurring.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 21, 2013, 12:10:06 PM
"Maybe" implies a level of possibility of something taking place. I am pointing out the fallacy in that statement. There isn't an ice-cube's chance in your Hell of such a thing occurring.
At one time I did, but when the obnoxious attitudes began to flow, along with name-calling and third grade antics....I decided I no longer gave a rats ass and played along with the rest.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 21, 2013, 12:12:27 PM
At one time I did, but when the obnoxious attitudes began to flow, along with name-calling and third grade antics....I decided I no longer gave a rats ass and played along with the rest.
Thank you for validating my point.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 21, 2013, 12:13:46 PM
Thank you for validating my point.
I never tried to unvalidated it. It is what it is. NOBODY on here is serious about any discussions. It is third grade BS. There other forums where intelligent folks carry opn intelligent discussions. This is not one of them. This is like Cheers. A bar with regulars who come in an become satarical.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 21, 2013, 12:16:01 PM
NOBODY on here is serious about any discussions.
Discussions about what? Physics? Neuroscience? I'm guessing you won't want to discuss either of those things because, well, you'd probably be the first to admit that you have no experience or education in those subjects. Ironically, things like business and economics are also subjects in which you have neither experience nor education but you magically deem yourself qualified to discuss them. It's pointless trying to hold a discussion with someone who isn't aware of his/her own ignorance of the subject.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 21, 2013, 12:44:30 PM
Discussions about what? Physics? Neuroscience? I'm guessing you won't want to discuss either of those things because, well, you'd probably be the first to admit that you have no experience or education in those subjects. Ironically, things like business and economics are also subjects in which you have neither experience nor education but you magically deem yourself qualified to discuss them. It's pointless trying to hold a discussion with someone who isn't aware of his/her own ignorance of the subject.
again, blah, blah, blah.....keep that nose in the air.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 21, 2013, 12:16:01 PM
I never tried to unvalidated it. It is what it is. NOBODY on here is serious about any discussions. It is third grade BS. There other forums where intelligent folks carry opn intelligent discussions. This is not one of them. This is like Cheers. A bar with regulars who come in an become satarical.
I'm sorry that has been your experience here , but conversation and dialog are a lot like relationships; it takes an effort from both sides to make it work. And if your contributions are destructive in nature you should not be surprised with a destructive outcome. Moreover, if you are overtly aggressive in your approach you shouldn't be surprised by the same type of response.
I suspect your experience is quite like the multitude of marriages that end in dissolution; most often due to unreasonable expectations and inflexibility toward compromise. As well as a liberal level of tyrannical behavior.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 21, 2013, 07:09:25 PM
I'm sorry that has been your experience here , but conversation and dialog are a lot like relationships; it takes an effort from both sides to make it work. And if your contributions are destructive in nature you should not be surprised with a destructive outcome. Moreover, if you are overtly aggressive in your approach you shouldn't be surprised by the same type of response.
I suspect your experience is quite like the multitude of marriages that end in dissolution; most often due to unreasonable expectations and inflexibility toward compromise. As well as the Liberal level of tyrannical behavior.
And in another context that is the entire problem. :razz:
Well, I see the government won't shut down now until September 1. They passed another contining resolution to run it until then, and it is a whole week until the 'deadline'.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 21, 2013, 07:09:25 PM
I'm sorry that has been your experience here , but conversation and dialog are a lot like relationships; it takes an effort from both sides to make it work. And if your contributions are destructive in nature you should not be surprised with a destructive outcome. Moreover, if you are overtly aggressive in your approach you shouldn't be surprised by the same type of response.
I suspect your experience is quite like the multitude of marriages that end in dissolution; most often due to unreasonable expectations and inflexibility toward compromise. As well as a liberal level of tyrannical behavior.
All I know is, I have been married to one woman for thirty years.....I think I am extremely reasonable and flexible toward compromise...always have been. My behavior has only matched up with my opponent. When shit is thrown my way, I throw it back.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 22, 2013, 08:41:56 AM
. . . My behavior has only matched up with my opponent. When shit is thrown my way, I throw it back.
And this reactionary behavior has become the norm instead of the exception. . .
Why do lyrics from Pink Floyd's Happiest Days Of Our Lives suddenly come to mind?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 22, 2013, 11:41:59 AM
Why do lyrics from Pink Floyd's Happiest Days Of Our Lives suddenly come to mind?
:icon_twisted:
Lots of people could have done the WH tour on what it cost the tax payers for this little trip. Of course you all will excuse it as usual and ignore the fact that it was scrubbed from the media.
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Claim: Malia Obama traveled to Mexico in March 2012.
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Did Malia Obama go to Mexico City on Spring break?
Origins: In March 2012, thirteen-year-old Malia Obama, the daughter of President Obama, traveled to Oaxaca, Mexico, on what was described in the press as both a "school trip" and a "spring break vacation":
After weighing the risks of traveling to Mexico, the parents of one American teenager decided to allow her to join a school trip to Oaxaca, where students volunteered at an orphanage, visited archaeological sites and sipped vanilla milkshakes on the honey-colored town plaza.
The fact that the parents were President Obama and the first lady, Michelle Obama, and that the teenager was their daughter Malia, thrilled Mexican tourism officials, who are trying to redefine the country's image as it has struggled with drug violence.
What would seem to be a rather mundane bit of news about a presidential family member became an item of interest when readers noticed that information about Malia's trip had apparently disappeared from a number of online news sites. As Politico reported on 20 March 2012, this redaction of information came at the behest of the White House:
The AFP, the Huffington Post and other websites have scrubbed a report about first daughter Malia Obama's school trip.
On [19 March 2012], the AFP reported that Obama's daughter was on a school trip along with a number of friends and 25 Secret Service agents. The story was picked up by Yahoo, the Huffington Post, and the International Business Times, as well as UK publications like the Daily Mail and the Telegraph and other overseas publications like The Australian.
But [by that] night, the story had been removed from those sites. The AFP page for the story now links to a story titled "Senegal music star Youssou Ndour hits campaign trail," as does the Yahoo page. The Huffington Post page now links directly back to the Huffington Post homepage. The Daily Mail, Telegraph, and Australian stories now lead to 404 error pages, reading "page not found." The International Business Times story also links to the IBT homepage, though a version of the original story still exists online.
Kristina Schake, Communications Director to the First Lady, emailed to confirm this was a White House effort:
From the beginning of the administration, the White House has asked news outlets not to report on or photograph the Obama children when they are not with their parents and there is no vital news interest. We have reminded outlets of this request in order to protect the privacy and security of these girls.
Then, as BuzzFeed noted, even that Politico item was subsequently altered to remove some details, also at the behest of the White House:
The White House's campaign to scrub a story from the internet yesterday about Malia Obama's trip to Mexico has gone meta: a media reporter's blog post about the administration's efforts to scrub the story has now been scrubbed of certain details, Politico confirmed.
The item, by Politico's Dylan Byers, originally noted that news sites were removing the Malia story.
Then the post was updated with comment from the White House confirming that it was involved with efforts to remove the story — but the Politico post itself was now missing information about the trip. Specifically, the current version of the story makes no reference to where the president's daughter is going: Mexico, which can also be found by Googling Obama's daughter's name and "trip."
Rachel Smolkin, Politico's White House editor, confirmed that they removed the information after talking to the Obama administration, citing safety concerns.
"After some internal discussions and conversations with the White House, we adjusted the post for security reasons," Smolkin told BuzzFeed.
According to the New York Times:
Although the White House asked English-language media to remove articles about the visit from their Web sites, the visit was never a secret in Mexico. "The reality is that Oaxaca isn't that big and it isn't that easy to hide 10 girls and that security," said Mr. Zorrilla, the tourism official.
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More whining. . . Sheesh. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2013, 02:16:31 PM
More whining. . . Sheesh. :rolleyes:
And that isn't an "in your face" thing? BS....Your kids can't visit the WH on spring break but mine is going to Mexico on your dollar. What a guy.
Quote from: me on March 24, 2013, 02:19:49 PM
And that isn't an "in your face" thing? BS....Your kids can't visit the WH on spring break but mine is going to Mexico on your dollar. What a guy.
Hypocrite much?
One moment you want to eradicate everything from WH stationary and stamps, to the ply of toilet paper they use there. Then you want to squall when they make the cuts. . . :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2013, 02:21:33 PM
Hypocrite much?
One moment you want to eradicate everything from WH stationary and stamps, to the ply of toilet paper they use there. Then you want to squall when they make the cuts. . . :rolleyes:
You just don't get it do you?
Quote from: me on March 24, 2013, 02:23:02 PM
You just don't get it do you?
Oh, I get it alright. Triple K isn't hard to spot.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
Oh, I get it alright. Triple K isn't hard to spot.
Will you come down off that sorry BS. It has nothing to do with color what is going on is wrong on a lot of lvl's and you know it.
Quote from: me on March 24, 2013, 04:46:56 PM
Will you come down off that sorry BS. It has nothing to do with color what is going on is wrong on a lot of lvl's and you know it.
Ignorance of overall intention and purpose is not an excuse for this flagrant violation of the law. When you support those with nefarious intention then you are guilty by proxy.
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2013, 05:31:15 PM
Ignorance of overall intention and purpose is not an excuse for this flagrant violation of the law. When you support those with nefarious intention then you are guilty by proxy.
Nicely said!
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2013, 05:31:15 PM
Ignorance of overall intention and purpose is not an excuse for this flagrant violation of the law. When you support those with nefarious intention then you are guilty by proxy.
Exactly what law did I violate by posting about Obama's daughter traveling to Mexico on spring break at the tax payers expense when the WH has been closed to the public because of lack of funds. Do you realize how many tours that little "vacation" could have paid for? That is beyond the pale and as in your face as anything. It was even pulled from news sources trying to keep people from finding out about it and that in itself should tell you something.
Quote from: me on March 24, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
Exactly what law did I violate by posting about Obama's daughter traveling to Mexico on spring break at the tax payers expense when the WH has been closed to the public because of lack of funds. Do you realize how many tours that little "vacation" could have paid for? That is beyond the pale and as in your face as anything. It was even pulled from news sources trying to keep people from finding out about it and that in itself should tell you something.
Crank up the volume.
http://www.youtube.com/v/oUxyg_DFMfM
Quote from: Palehorse on March 24, 2013, 06:43:40 PM
Crank up the volume.
http://www.youtube.com/v/oUxyg_DFMfM
When it becomes against the law to disagree with the POTUS or something he does it's over. Has it really come to that point?
There's that sound again? Wow... :rolleyes:
Maybe she figured out that what she was bitching about happened last year. March of 2012. ;D
Quote from: me on March 24, 2013, 06:46:12 PM
When it becomes against the law to disagree with the POTUS or something he does it's over. Has it really come to that point?
Quit your bitching. You need to think back to all of the money your dummy George W. spent. You know, like the two trillion dollars and 5,000 young men and women killed in Iraq. :rant:
Wow, Obama's girls also got to go to the Bahamas on your dollar. Where are you going on vacation this year?
She just pissed off that there are black people who get to take vacations when she can't.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 26, 2013, 08:20:14 AM
She just pissed off that there are black people who get to take vacations when she can't.
You are truly a dumb ass.
Quote from: me on March 26, 2013, 08:47:50 AM
You are truly a dumb ass.
The truth hurts; doesn't it?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 26, 2013, 09:09:48 AM
The truth hurts; doesn't it?
That you're a dumb ass? Doesn't hurt me a bit.
Quote from: me on March 26, 2013, 12:00:09 PM
That you're a dumb ass? Doesn't hurt me a bit.
Aw, don't be jealous; it's not my fault you'er a failure at life.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 26, 2013, 12:29:53 PM
Aw, don't be jealous; it's not my fault you'er a failure at life.
In your opinion maybe not mine. I've been to the Bahama's but I did it on my dime not someone else's. I also paid cash for the trip didn't use plastic.
So are you unaware the President Of The United States and his family can't simply drive to the airport, get on a plane and go where they want, suggesting that the families of virtually every administration haven't also incurred similar travel and security expenses or have you just decided to start flapping your wrinkled old gums about this one because he isn't white?
Quote from: Exterminator on March 26, 2013, 03:22:31 PM
So are you unaware the President Of The United States and his family can't simply drive to the airport, get on a plane and go where they want, suggesting that the families of virtually every administration haven't also incurred similar travel and security expenses or have you just decided to start flapping your wrinkled old gums about this one because he isn't white?
That is not the point here now is it. It is an in your face thing any way you look at it and if you'd only pay attention instead of sticking your head in the sand and ignoring it you would see whats going on. Has nothing to do with his color in the least. Discuss the problem and quit making stupid remarks which have nothing to do with it. If you can't discuss the subject just STFU with your little snide remarks 'cause they mean nothing in the scope of things.
Quote from: me on March 26, 2013, 09:45:30 PM
That is not the point here now is it. It is an in your face thing any way you look at it and if you'd only pay attention instead of sticking your head in the sand and ignoring it you would see whats going on. Has nothing to do with his color in the least. Discuss the problem and quit making stupid remarks which have nothing to do with it. If you can't discuss the subject just STFU with your little snide remarks 'cause they mean nothing in the scope of things.
You didn't really address this part right here ----V
Quote from: Exterminator on March 26, 2013, 03:22:31 PM
.... suggesting that the families of virtually every administration haven't also incurred similar travel and security expenses .....
Quote from: Locutus on March 26, 2013, 09:53:09 PM
You didn't really address this part right here ----V
I did earlier. There isn't money, taxpayer money, to open the WH for tours for the kids on spring break but there is taxpayer money for Obama's girls to go to the Bahama's. The tours at the WH are self guided and it does not cost that much to stay open to allow them. It's an in your face thing done to make people angry because he didn't get his way period. Oh, there was also a trip to Mexico. You know that cost a whole lot more than those WH tours would have. Under different circumstances I would care less if they vacation but this is just over the top IMO. He's on TV and traveling the country screaming about the country being broke and we have to cut back here and cut back there but I don't see him doing any cutting back on his and his vacations which we are paying for. He could also talk to the people from the Oval office like others before him have done but nooooo he has to go do stump speeches. He could do a call in radio thing like Bush and some others did to talk to people but he's probably afraid of the questions he'd get. He should lead by example rather than ask everyone else to sacrifice and do what ever tickles his fancy. How many heads of state dinners have they held vs parties for birthdays and super bowl and whatever?
Quote from: me on March 26, 2013, 09:45:30 PM
Has nothing to do with his color in the least.
Fucking. Liar.
Where's the outrage? (http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/03/26/lead-ex-presidents-cost-millions.cnn) :rolleyes:
Me, you have the right to your opinion, but, regarding the following comment by you:
"The tours at the WH are self guided and it does not cost that much to stay open to allow them."
"Self guided" is simplified to say the least, as is the cost. Keep in mind it's the home of the President of the United States.
I took the tour once, at Christmas. My boss took me as a special Christmas gift, and we were part of a pre-arranged tour.
Since you brought it up, I decided to look it up and see what I'd have to do if family or friends come to town and I want to treat them to a trip to the White House.
"How to Get a White House Tour
By Rona Aquino, eHow Contributor
See the historic White House in Washington D.C., one of the most well-known buildings in the world. The building symbolizes the U.S. government and serves as home of the country's president. The White House is the only private residence of a head of state that offers free public tours. Tours are self-guided and last for about 40 minutes. High volume of requests are received and not all requests are granted.
Difficulty: Moderate
Instructions
1. Determine the dates you want to tour the White House. As of the publication date, self-guided tours are available from Tuesday through Thursday between 7:30 a.m. and 11 a.m. On Fridays, visitors can schedule tours from 7:30 a.m. to 12 p.m., and 7:30 a.m. to 1 p.m. on Saturdays, except during federal holidays.
2. Contact your representative member of Congress to submit a White House tour request. You can submit a request at least 21 days and up to six months in advance. Request as early as possible to increase your chances of receiving tour confirmation. Go to Writerep.house.gov to obtain your representative's contact information.
3. Provide information such as your name, complete address, tour dates, phone contact, email and number of adults and kids in your party when requesting a White House tour. Be flexible and provide a range of dates to increase your chances of getting approved. More information may be required once your tour dates are confirmed.
4. Wait for a reply from your congressman's office. If you haven't heard back from them as your tour date comes near, call and check the status of your request.
Tips & Warnings
Stop by the White House Visitor Center before or after your tour of the White House. The visitor center is at the southeast corner of 15th and E Streets and is open seven days a week from 7:30 a.m. until 4 p.m. The visitor center offers exhibits that feature the White House's architecture, first families, furnishings, events and more.
Valid forms of identification are required to enter the White House. All guests age 18 years and above must have a valid, government-issued photo identification. All foreign nationals must have their passport."
Resources
•The White House: About the White House
Quote from: libby on March 27, 2013, 10:45:23 AM
Me, you have the right to your opinion, but, regarding the following comment by you:
"The tours at the WH are self guided and it does not cost that much to stay open to allow them."
The problem you have in getting her to see that is you're dealing with someone who attempts to interject herself into serious national policy discussions based on 10-second clips from Fox News.
Even though I am "trying" to diviate from the political scene discussions..........I saw this video and thought I would share it.
Is he being a hypocrite here? (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/obama-in-2006-as-president-vacations-leisure-is-gone/)
Quote from: Exterminator on March 27, 2013, 10:27:16 AM
Where's the outrage? (http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/video/us/2013/03/26/lead-ex-presidents-cost-millions.cnn) :rolleyes:
Notice it was a Republican who wanted to limit the amount spent and a former Republican First Lady who turned down the pension money.
Quote from: Locutus on March 27, 2013, 10:58:33 AM
The problem you have in getting her to see that is you're dealing with someone who attempts to interject herself into serious national policy discussions based on 10-second clips from Fox News.
What does that have to do with anything? The truth is the truth no matter where you hear it from. As far as Ex's example goes that has nothing to do with the "in your face" things that are going on now.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 27, 2013, 11:27:58 AM
Even though I am "trying" to diviate from the political scene discussions..........I saw this video and thought I would share it.
Is he being a hypocrite here? (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/obama-in-2006-as-president-vacations-leisure-is-gone/)
They won't read it and even if they do they'll excuse it. They just don't see for some reason.
Quote from: me on March 27, 2013, 11:44:01 AM
Notice it was a Republican who wanted to limit the amount spent and a former Republican First Lady who turned down the pension money.
It was also a fucking Republican whose bill was the highest just like his White House budget was significantly higher than the current administration's. You weren't bitching then just like you aren't bitching about what these white ex-presidents are spending now.
Quote from: Locutus on March 27, 2013, 10:58:33 AM
The problem you have in getting either of them to see that is you're dealing with people who attempt to interject themselves into serious national policy discussions based on 10-second clips from Fox News.
This is worth repeating...with some minor modifications.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 27, 2013, 11:49:11 AM
It was also a fucking Republican whose bill was the highest just like his White House budget was significantly higher than the current administration's. You weren't bitching then just like you aren't bitching about what these white ex-presidents are spending now.
What budget? There hasn't been one done since Obama has been POTUS.
Quote from: me on March 27, 2013, 02:03:26 PM
What budget? There hasn't been one done since Obama has been POTUS.
The White House has its own budget. Don't you know anything? :rolleyes:
Why do you bother? :no: :no:
Quote from: Exterminator on March 27, 2013, 02:12:06 PM
The White House has its own budget. Don't you know anything? :rolleyes:
Bingo!!!! It was already in the budget for the tours........My point.....why cancel them? He is trying to bully congress into giving him his way by making people irate at them but his daughters got to take their trip which was also already budgeted. He is playing games period.
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 27, 2013, 02:45:55 PM
Why do you bother? :no: :no:
I have no idea. It's obvious to any thinking person that every post of hers is based in overt racism.
Quote from: Exterminator on March 27, 2013, 03:45:15 PM
I have no idea. It's obvious to any thinking person that every post of hers is based in overt racism.
Oh, and the Easter egg hunt at the WH has been canceled too. How sweet. Get to the parents through the kids. What a guy.
Quote from: me on March 27, 2013, 05:31:03 PM
Oh, and the Easter egg hunt at the WH has been canceled too. How sweet. Get to the parents through the kids. What a guy.
Oh, double bullshit! Where did you hear that?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/eastereggroll (http://www.whitehouse.gov/eastereggroll)
On Monday April 1, 2013, the First Family will host the 135th annual White House Easter Egg Roll. This year, more than 35,000 people will be joining us on the South Lawn for games, stories, and, of course, the traditional egg roll.
Another one for the tracker! ;D :yes:
Quote from: Olias on March 27, 2013, 07:52:03 PM
Oh, double bullshit! Where did you hear that?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/eastereggroll (http://www.whitehouse.gov/eastereggroll)
On Monday April 1, 2013, the First Family will host the 135th annual White House Easter Egg Roll. This year, more than 35,000 people will be joining us on the South Lawn for games, stories, and, of course, the traditional egg roll.
Guess they changed their minds huh? They were discussing it so stuff it.
Quote from: me on March 27, 2013, 09:20:26 PM
Guess they changed their minds huh? They were discussing it so stuff it.
"ME" you're so full of shit you must have to carry a can of air freshener with everywhere you go. :puke:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on March 27, 2013, 11:27:58 AM
Even though I am "trying" to diviate from the political scene discussions..........I saw this video and thought I would share it.
Is he being a hypocrite here? (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/18/obama-in-2006-as-president-vacations-leisure-is-gone/)
What nobody watch it or just have nothing to say about him lying?
Quote from: me on March 27, 2013, 09:20:26 PM
Guess they changed their minds huh? They were discussing it so stuff it.
Got a link? Or did you just pull that comment out of your fetid a$$?
Quote from: Olias on March 28, 2013, 08:22:48 AM
Got a link? Or did you just pull that comment out of your fetid a$$?
Quote
9 days ago
White House warns Easter Egg Roll could be canceled
Posted by
CNN's Adam Aigner-Treworgy and Kevin Liptak
Washington (CNN) - Ticket holders for the upcoming White House Easter Egg Roll are being warned the annual event could be canceled if lawmakers can't agree on a measure funding the federal government.
As for now, the event will go on as planned – though warnings have gone out to members of Congress and ticketholders that a partial government shutdown would cause the egg roll to be scrapped.
In a memo to lawmakers, who receive tickets to the egg roll, the White House notes that "by using these tickets, guests are acknowledging that this event is subject to cancellation due to funding uncertainty surrounding the Executive Office of the President and other federal agencies."
The memo adds that if the event is canceled, it would not be rescheduled.
On Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the egg roll was still on.
"Because we distributed tickets to the Easter Egg Roll far in advance of the actual event, we alerted all ticketholders that this event is subject to cancellation due to funding uncertainty, including the possibility of a government shutdown," Carney said.
"We have every expectation that the Easter Egg Roll will proceed as planned," he added later.
A partial government shutdown would occur if Congress fails to extend funding authorization by the March 27 deadline, something leaders from both parties have said they'd like to avoid.
A person familiar with the ticket confirmations said every attendee received the same cancellation warning on their ticket confirmation, including both members of Congress and those who won tickets through the lottery.
The Easter Egg Roll – an annual event featuring games, music and the egg roll - is celebrating its 135th anniversary this year. It's slated to take place April 1.
The White House announced earlier this month it was suspending public tours through September 30 as a consequence of the forced spending cuts-known as the "sequester."
The move quickly sparked controversy, with some Republicans arguing the Obama administration was using the canceled tours as a political ploy to draw up negative reaction from the American public over the cuts.
The U.S. Secret Service told CNN that the plan will help the agency save $74,000 per week – or $2 million over the next seven months, which is the scheduled length of the ongoing forced budget cuts. That total covers the cost of paying 37 uniformed officers $50 an hour for 40 hours a week to secure the tour's route through the East Wing.
But that's just a fraction of the $84 million the Secret Service needs to cut from its $1.6 billion budget, according to the Office of Management and Budget. The officers normally assigned to the tours will be reassigned to other duties at the White House.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/19/white-house-warns-easter-egg-roll-could-be-canceled/comment-page-1/
Are ya happy now....and it's not Fox.....Stuff your TUZ lie tracker 'cause this one ain't goin' there.
Quote from: me on March 28, 2013, 08:54:04 AM
Stuff your TUZ lie tracker 'cause this one ain't goin' there.
Why not? You said it
has been cancelled; it hasn't so that was a lie.
Quote from: me on March 28, 2013, 08:54:04 AM
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/19/white-house-warns-easter-egg-roll-could-be-canceled/comment-page-1/
Are ya happy now....and it's not Fox.....Stuff your TUZ lie tracker 'cause this one ain't goin' there.
How stupid can you get? Can you even read?
First of all why do we have to go through with this every time you post one of your FRIGGIN LIES?
Your post .....
Quote from: me on March 27, 2013, 05:31:03 PM
Oh, and the Easter egg hunt at the WH has been canceled too. How sweet. Get to the parents through the kids. What a guy.
and I repeat ...
"the Easter egg hunt at the WH has been canceled" LIE!!!!!
Then as usual you try to cover with another lie ....
Quote from: me on March 27, 2013, 09:20:26 PM
Guess they changed their minds huh? They were discussing it so stuff it.
Now if you were able to comprehend what you read you would see that the article you posted, you would see that the White House would have no choice in the matter ...
"warnings have gone out to members of Congress and ticketholders that
a partial government shutdown would cause the egg roll to be scrapped."
"this event is
subject to cancellation due to funding uncertainty surrounding the Executive Office of the President and other federal agencies."
Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
Quote from: Olias on March 28, 2013, 09:12:56 AM
How stupid can you get? Can you even read?
First of all why do we have to go through with this every time you post one of your FRIGGIN LIES?
Your post .....
and I repeat ... "the Easter egg hunt at the WH has been canceled" LIE!!!!!
Then as usual you try to cover with another lie ....
Now if you were able to comprehend what you read you would see that the article you posted, you would see that the White House would have no choice in the matter ...
"warnings have gone out to members of Congress and ticketholders that a partial government shutdown would cause the egg roll to be scrapped."
"this event is subject to cancellation due to funding uncertainty surrounding the Executive Office of the President and other federal agencies."
Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
Ya'll are idiots period. The only reason, in all probability, it wasn't is because Michelle plans to use as a backdrop for one of her things she's into. I'm glad you're proud of that lie tracker and feel so good about putting things in there. It's just too bad there wasn't one started when ya'll were spreading that garbage about Bush 'cause it would have spanned many many pages.
Quote from: me on March 28, 2013, 09:41:37 AM
Ya'll are idiots period. The only reason, in all probability, it wasn't is because Michelle plans to use as a backdrop for one of her things she's into. I'm glad you're proud of that lie tracker and feel so good about putting things in there. It's just too bad there wasn't one started when ya'll were spreading that garbage about Bush 'cause it would have spanned many many pages.
Like I said .... Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
That's why I said some time back that what she has to say is irrelevant.
She's stupid enough to believe what she thinks she read and gullible enough to wet her pants wanting it to be true.
She could be pitied except that she is so insistent that what she spouts is the truth.
Actually just a plain old dumb ass.
Quote from: followsthewolf on March 28, 2013, 11:09:06 AM
That's why I said some time back that what she has to say is irrelevant.
She's stupid enough to believe what she thinks she read and gullible enough to wet her pants wanting it to be true.
She could be pitied except that she is so insistent that what she spouts is the truth.
Actually just a plain old dumb ass.
I just can't bring myself to pity ignorance. Ignorance is a choice ... a choice she made.
We'll see as things progress won't we?
Wow...
Each day I learn something new. Today I have learned that ignorance indeed, knows no bounds. :spooked:
I learned that one a long time ago.
:razz:
Quote from: Locutus on March 28, 2013, 12:01:28 PM
I learned that one a long time ago.
:razz:
Sometimes life imposes validation for the lessons we learn, just to reinforce things. :biggrin: