On Tuesday, Sept. 8, President Barack Obama will deliver a national address to students via the Web and C-SPAN to encourage students to set high academic goals and to do their best to succeed in school. The address will be broadcast live on the White House Web site ( http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/ ) and on C-SPAN at 12:00 p.m., ET.
I just can't even fathom why some people would not let their child watch this. Number one, the message is good. Number two, He is the President and deserves the respect. And number three, isn't that the "patriotic" thing to do?
If you have a problem with this, please explain to me why. And don't give me this crap about being a Communist and brain washing children. That is just radical right bullshit!
I would have a problem with it if it was shown only on channel 1, and I didn't have the ability to also view the speech.
Well we can't cancel day time TV for something like doing well in school. What about Bo and Hope on Days of our Lives. They might die and we wouldn't be able to see them.
Well now that you posted it, I can watch the webcast, right? Not a big deal. Most of the kids shouldn't be home on that day as it is, they should be in school. Wait, your kids won't be in school will they? You are tracking out this week aren't you?
Yes mine won't be in school. We (my school) will be broadcasting it live and then again taped. I will be showing it when we return. Parents have the option to keep their kids from watching and we have to provide an alternate activity. It really pisses me off!
Well now I understand the question. Some parents tend to shield their kids from politics and other current events. Their excuse is to let them worry, and let the kids be kids. Not me, I welcome informed children. Keeps me from having to teach them myself. LOL
I'm not sure what kind of conspiracy theory someone could come up with in a speech about setting high academic goals. I suppose someone will come along and tell me I'm naive to think that he won't get political in his speech. I really don't think he will.
You know, I'm on the fence right now about this.......personally, I think he has NO business, IF it just a time for him to spew his agenda....if it is a ...rah, rah sis boom bah speech about staying out of drugs and getting an education...then fine, but I am skeptical about his motives..I really am. But with that said, my daughter is informed enough, to where, I have no problem with her on this...we discuss politics quite often, and she is interested in what is going on.....I want to know more about his ... the agenda of his speech personally.....
How would you feel IF, and I say IF, Bush was giving a speech about terrorism and Iraq, and against abortions....and tried to sell his view to a bunch of kids?.......
just a thought.... :)
Ok but I don't see how you can compare Iraq, terrorists, and abortions to getting an education! I mean do you REALLY think he is going to go on there and talk about health care and the economy? I mean these are 5 - 18 year olds we are talking about.
Quote from: kimmi on September 03, 2009, 09:18:36 PM
Ok but I don't see how you can compare Iraq, terrorists, and abortions to getting an education! I mean do you REALLY think he is going to go on there and talk about health care and the economy? I mean these are 5 - 18 year olds we are talking about.
I really don't know what he will say.....I think that this is a real bad move for him....his pop rating is dropping like a rock....and this is NOT going to help any.....imo.
See I think it will have the opposite effect. He is known as a great public speaker, a very motivational speaker. I think this will have a positive effect on his ratings at the moment.
I see this as not much different than Nancy Reagan and her Say No To Drugs campaign in the 80's.
What the hell? People don't want the president to talk to us? That's what I'm getting here.
It's my understanding that the purpose of the broadcast is to encourage the children to get a good education.
Other presidents, including Republican presidents have done something similar if not the same thing.
Either way, I think it's wonderful.
There are quite a few paranoid nutjobs out there who see this a ploy. :rolleyes:
Kim, you absolutely wouldn't believe some of the absolute BS that I've been reading from those who are opposed to this speech to the children. Despite the fact that Republican presidents such as Reagan and George H.W. Bush have done the exact same thing, many of the nutjobs are opposed to this just because it's Obama. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 03, 2009, 09:04:48 PM
How would you feel IF, and I say IF, Bush was giving a speech about terrorism and Iraq, and against abortions....and tried to sell his view to a bunch of kids?.......
just a thought.... :)
My thought is that you would have your kids lined right up to hear whatever ole' Dumya had to say. :yes:
QUESTION:
why is it so impotent to know what the PRESIDENT OF THESE UNITED STATES is going to SAY to the youth of AMERICA, IN, ADVANCE?
*i* have lived for quite sometime and *i* HAVE NEVER seen a PRESIDENT have to PROVE SO MUCH or NEED SO MUCH APPROVAL from white america!
but still yet this is not about race---------BULLSHIT-----------!
ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE HAS TO BE A 'hey boy"PRESIDENT!
"HEY BOY!"------YOU AIN'T GOING TO TAKE A SHIT WITHOUT OUR PERMISSION!
ARE WE REALLY GOING TO SURVIVE IN OR OPERATE THIS COUNTRY WITH THAT AS THE PREMIER ATTITUDE AND IDEOLOGY?
if it is!
we are already FUCKED----IN THE HEAD AND AS A------------PEOPLE----------AND A NATION!
don carter
ANDERSON INDIANA------------------------>AMERICAN/AMERICAN!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! YOU BROOD OF ASPS!
AMONG SOME OF THE SILLIEST THINGS *i* SEE TODAY!
ALL THE EXPERTS ON WHAT THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO DO AND HOW HE NEEDS TO DO IT> HAVE NEVER BEEN PRESIDENT OR CONVINCED THE REPUBLIC THEY SHOULD OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT!
A NATION FIGHTING NOT TO UNITE OVER BULLSHIT THAT HAPPENED TO AN NTH OF A %POINT OF THE PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY!
DESTROY A NATION AND A PEOPLE OVER BULLSHIT----------------NOW, AIN'T THAT, A KICK IN THE ASS?
I can't help but think this is just a political move.....I am very curious on what he plans to say....like I said before, IF, it is just a speech to "stay in school"..."don't do drugs"...."be all you can be"...kind of stuff, then....I have NO problem with it......but, I'm telling you right now...IF, he pushes his global warming theories, healthcare plan, and political issues......then IT is going to allow a bomb to explode across this nation....
Don, this is NOT a racial thing...this is more of a president who has tried his hardest to bring dramatic change to a country in 8 months.......he is moving faster, and allowing the spending by any President ever, appointing czars without proper background checks, pushing a healthcare bill that most Americans don't want....he is his biggest enemy....and being black has NOTHING to do with it.....
No I absolutely think that Don is on the right track. People on my Facebook said that they don't respect the President because he hasn't earned it yet. Since when does a President have to earn the respect they deserve because they are in the office? I don't think the military gets to say that their Commander in Chief will get his respect when they deem he deserves it. It is instant because it should be.
So Henry if he says something like "We need to take care of our planet." does that mean he is pushing the agenda of global warming?
Quote from: kimmi on September 04, 2009, 07:02:46 AM
No I absolutely think that Don is on the right track. People on my Facebook said that they don't respect the President because he hasn't earned it yet. Since when does a President have to earn the respect they deserve because they are in the office? I don't think the military gets to say that their Commander in Chief will get his respect when they deem he deserves it. It is instant because it should be.
So Henry if he says something like "We need to take care of our planet." does that mean he is pushing the agenda of global warming?
Of course not Kimmi....I'm talking IF he goes into an Algore rant about Polar bears dying because their daddy drives a SUV crap...I kind of disagree on your respect issue....He had the respect of the nation when he took office...his pop rating was around or above 70%.....then he threw the largest spending bill in the history the world with the most pork spending EVER...AFTER he told Americans he was going to STOP pork spending....He got off on a bad foot in my opinion...NOW his pop rating is around 40% and he WANT's to go talking to America's kids.....In my opinion, he should WAIT until things smooth over...there IS too much that American's are dissatisfied with at this structure of his presidency.....in my opinion.
respect is a two way street.............he has to respect those who voted for him IF he wants the respect back.
We all knew no matter how this administration tackled the issues that it was going to take time to fix. I guess he should sit on his hands and not worry about anything else until problem one is taken care of. Part of his pre-election speeches were about empowering children to do their best and to improve our performance in a global society. Sorry kids. You will have to wait until the economic crisis is over because some people feel that multitasking is not a good thing to do.
Quote from: kimmi on September 04, 2009, 08:20:40 AM
We all knew no matter how this administration tackled the issues that it was going to take time to fix. I guess he should sit on his hands and not worry about anything else until problem one is taken care of. Part of his pre-election speeches were about empowering children to do their best and to improve our performance in a global society. Sorry kids. You will have to wait until the economic crisis is over because some people feel that multitasking is not a good thing to do.
I think OUR kids will be just FINE ... IF the President does NOT speak to them.... :confused:
do you really think that our kids cannot be empowered to do their best or be productive citizens of this world IF the president does not give them a cute little speech?
I think it means MORE to our kids that he does not spend so much money that THEY are stuck paying the bills for a mess that WE created...and multitasking better be something he knows how to do, because he has a slew of tasks to face....(
I don't envy him, that's for sure)
I just read where President George H.W. Bush made a similar address to schools in 1991....and like Obama, Bush drew criticism, with Democrats accusing the Republican president of making the event into a campaign commercial......
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 03, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
There are quite a few paranoid nutjobs out there who see this a ploy. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Locutus on September 03, 2009, 11:32:32 PM
...many of the nutjobs are opposed to this just because it's Obama.
One needn't go any further than this thread to illustrate the veracity in these statements.
I suppose he should just read "The Pet Goat" to the little kiddies.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 08:14:38 AM
...he has to respect those who voted for him IF he wants the respect back.
Well you didn't so he owes you nothing.
Quote from: incognito on September 04, 2009, 02:41:46 AM
but still yet this is not about race---------BULLSHIT-----------!
Exactly.
Quote from: Bo D on September 04, 2009, 08:33:13 AM
I suppose he should just read "The Pet Goat" to the little kiddies.
High School kids are NOT little kiddies....
I think the bottom line is LIBERAL's are pissed off, because MOST Amerians are NOT all giddy about this President.....like THEY are....and THAT is the fact.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 08:36:17 AM
High School kids are NOT little kiddies....
I think the bottom line is LIBERAL's are pissed off, because MOST Amerians are NOT all giddy about this President.....like THEY are....and THAT is the fact.
We're not pissed off at all...YOU LOST; GET OVER IT!
And by the way, Reagan hosted a group of high school students for a question and answer session at the White House in 1986 that was nationally broadcast in which he said, "When we came into office, the top personal tax rate that the federal government could put on your income was 70 percent. Now, you can understand, I think, that if you were getting up in those brackets -- there were 14 different tax brackets, depending on the amount of money in each bracket you earned. And when you could look and say, 'If I earn another dollar, I only get to keep 30 cents out of it,' you can imagine the lack of incentive there. Well, we lowered it to 50 percent, and the economy really took off."
What is that if not blatant politics?
With this years influx of college freshman, I think that high school kids are seeing that the economy is taking away their fast food jobs (and I don't mean that as a slur on the youth, just that fast food has always been a stepping stone for teenagers.) and if they are going to get anywhere in the future they need to further their education. If Obama's speech is to encourage these kids to buckle down, then the high school teens do need to hear the message. And I hate to tell you, they are already being brainwashed concerning politics. They listen to their parents, they listen to their parents media choices, they listen to their teachers who lecture by opinion and so on. If they are encouraged to continue in their education, whether it be to finish high school, or to go on to college, they are being encouraged to learn, plain and simple. Do we want a nation of drop-outs who give up on being educated to be our future? I know I don't.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 08:44:25 AM
We're not pissed off at all...YOU LOST; GET OVER IT!
And by the way, Reagan hosted a group of high school students for a question and answer session at the White House in 1986 that was nationally broadcast in which he said, "When we came into office, the top personal tax rate that the federal government could put on your income was 70 percent. Now, you can understand, I think, that if you were getting up in those brackets -- there were 14 different tax brackets, depending on the amount of money in each bracket you earned. And when you could look and say, 'If I earn another dollar, I only get to keep 30 cents out of it,' you can imagine the lack of incentive there. Well, we lowered it to 50 percent, and the economy really took off."
What is that if not blatant politics?
so we owe you one?...is that what you are saying?... :confused:
This funny as hell....you guys are really pissed, because HE WANT's to talk to our kids and the parent's don't WANT him talking to them.....guess what....Parent's get to decide on this NOT the President.
Excellent points Pari!
Quote from: pariann on September 04, 2009, 08:45:28 AM
With this years influx of college freshman, I think that high school kids are seeing that the economy is taking away their fast food jobs (and I don't mean that as a slur on the youth, just that fast food has always been a stepping stone for teenagers.) and if they are going to get anywhere in the future they need to further their education. If Obama's speech is to encourage these kids to buckle down, then the high school teens do need to hear the message. And I hate to tell you, they are already being brainwashed concerning politics. They listen to their parents, they listen to their parents media choices, they listen to their teachers who lecture by opinion and so on. If they are encouraged to continue in their education, whether it be to finish high school, or to go on to college, they are being encouraged to learn, plain and simple. Do we want a nation of drop-outs who give up on being educated to be our future? I know I don't.
It is the PARENT's JOB to raise thier own kid...........NOT the Government place or job....
Now, like I said, IF, Obama is simply going on the air to say....'stay in school' ... 'be all you can be'....then rah, rah, sis, boom bah.....go for it.....quit getting your panties all up your crawl....IF, people don't WANT this guy speaking to thier kids while the parent's aren't around....there bigger fish to fry right now than .... the President speaking to our kids....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 08:49:26 AM
so we owe you one?...is that what you are saying?... :confused:
No but the hypocrisy of you bitching about what Obama might say is more than evident.
QuoteThis funny as hell....you guys are really pissed, because HE WANT's to talk to our kids and the parent's don't WANT him talking to them.....guess what....Parent's get to decide on this NOT the President.
I could not care less if the mouth-breathers don't want their kids watching this.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 08:53:34 AM
It is the PARENT's JOB to raise thier own kid...........NOT the Government place or job....
Now, like I said, IF, Obama is simply going on the air to say....'stay in school' ... 'be all you can be'....then rah, rah, sis, boom bah.....go for it.....quit getting your panties all up your crawl....IF, people don't WANT this guy speaking to thier kids while the parent's aren't around....there bigger fish to fry right now than .... the President speaking to our kids....
It's about encouragement. Not raising someone else's kids. Ever been in charge of a scout troop? A sunday school class? Do you not stand up as a leader and encourage the youth to be the best they can be then?
Am I the only one seeing a lot of irony in this thread? :biggrin:
from who?
* whom :razz:
from whom?
I guess I am. :wink:
Quote from: pariann on September 04, 2009, 09:01:41 AM
It's about encouragement. Not raising someone else's kids. Ever been in charge of a scout troop? A sunday school class? Do you not stand up as a leader and encourage the youth to be the best they can be then?
again, I said it already on here several times now....I personally have NO problem with it, for my daughter.....and I really do think it is sad, that ANY President, does not have enough respect by our nation, for him to give our kids a . ... good ol pep talk.....I think, there is so much distrust with America and this POTUS....THIS is the backlash that is happening....
I think, ALL schools should make it elective to ALL kids IF they want to hear what the POTUS has to say...IF they don't then allow them to go to study tables for 15 minutes....and move on.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 09:30:03 AM
again, I said it already on here several times now....I personally have NO problem with it, for my daughter.....and I really do think it is sad, that ANY President, does not have enough respect by our nation, for him to give our kids a . ... good ol pep talk.....I think, there is so much distrust with America and this POTUS....THIS is the backlash that is happening....
I think you're projecting your lack of respect onto the entire country.
QuoteI think, ALL schools should make it elective to ALL kids IF they want to hear what the POTUS has to say...IF they don't then allow them to go to study tables for 15 minutes....and move on.
Like I said, I don't care if the mouth-breathers' kids see it or not. In fact, I hope they don't and they never get the message or a good education so there are plenty of them around to pump my kids' gas!
:blah:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 09:30:03 AM
again, I said it already on here several times now....I personally have NO problem with it, for my daughter.....and I really do think it is sad, that ANY President, does not have enough respect by our nation, for him to give our kids a . ... good ol pep talk.....I think, there is so much distrust with America and this POTUS....THIS is the backlash that is happening....
I think, ALL schools should make it elective to ALL kids IF they want to hear what the POTUS has to say...IF they don't then allow them to go to study tables for 15 minutes....and move on.
But that's not what your fear is. You ARE afraid that he will be giving a speech on political issues. You've already said that in a previous post.
I will add that as of right now, 13 isn't aware that this speech will be shown on Tuesday, here it is Friday, and I've not seen any paperwork that I need to sign in order for her to see the broadcast. I'm wondering where my parental choice is? Not that I'm going to prevent her from seeing it, I just wonder if it's actually being shown in every school?
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 09:44:45 AM
I think you're projecting your lack of respect onto the entire country.
Like I said, I don't care if the mouth-breathers' kids see it or not. In fact, I hope they don't and they never get the message or a good education so there are plenty of them around to pump my kids' gas!
Now that's just silly, the President giving a speech encouraging education isn't going to be the only motivating factor for the students. It's just one of a hundred encouragement speeches they are going to hear over the years from a multitude of people.
Quote from: pariann on September 04, 2009, 09:49:34 AM
But that's not what your fear is. You ARE afraid that he will be giving a speech on political issues. You've already said that in a previous post.
I will add that as of right now, 13 isn't aware that this speech will be shown on Tuesday, here it is Friday, and I've not seen any paperwork that I need to sign in order for her to see the broadcast. I'm wondering where my parental choice is? Not that I'm going to prevent her from seeing it, I just wonder if it's actually being shown in every school?
I have NO fear what-so-ever, as far as MY kid seeing ANYTHING that the POTUS has to say.....I am like you, I think there should be a consent form issued first....this IS a parental choice...NOT a POTUS choice.
(http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/politics/2009/09/04/obama_back_to_school_speech/story2.jpg)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:00:07 AM
I have NO fear what-so-ever, as far as MY kid seeing ANYTHING that the POTUS has to say.....I am like you, I think there should be a consent form issued first....this IS a parental choice...NOT a POTUS choice.
LMAO...so do you also think parents should choose the curriculum in schools? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:01:42 AM
LMAO...so do you also think parents should choose the curriculum in schools? :rolleyes:
that is what the PTA is for...to have their input....
But you can argue ALL day long with me..............the POTUS does NOT have ANY right to speak to any kid he want's without their parent's consent.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:07:44 AM
that is what the PTA is for...to have their input....
No it isn't.
QuoteBut you can argue ALL day long with me..............the POTUS does NOT have ANY right to speak to any kid he want's without their parent's consent.....
LMFAO! You're on dope...he's the President Of The United States...he can speak to anyone he wants and he doesn't need your permission.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 06:37:24 AM
Don, this is NOT a racial thing...
I'm calling bullshit here. No other politician in the history of this country has spurred such visceral, irrational hatred. It is absolutely racial.
This whole mess is just so damned ridiculous.
It's has really reached a low state of affairs when the nuts attack the president over something like this.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:13:24 AM
No it isn't.
uh, yeah it is....i know this for a fact....because I went to one where they asked for a vote on a particular curriculum...
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:13:24 AM
LMFAO! You're on dope...he's the President Of The United States...he can speak to anyone he wants and he doesn't need your permission.
:blah: do you just talk to hear yourself?....let's put it this way....IF the POTUS wants to talk to my kid at school...and I don't want him too, he won't....my kid won't be there....my kid's will be instructed to get up and walk out IF such a tyrannic episode would ever happen.
Quote from: Bo D on September 04, 2009, 10:18:38 AM
This whole mess is just so damned ridiculous.
It's has really reached a low state of affairs when the nuts attack the president over something like this.
Absolutely. Even Joe Scarborough called them out on it when he said, "Seriously, why don't we want the president of the United States, any president of the United States, delivering the message to kids: work hard, stay in school, succeed," adding, "Get your ratings if you want, you're just screwing your political party."
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:16:17 AM
I'm calling bullshit here. No other politician in the history of this country has spurred such visceral, irrational hatred. It is absolutely racial.
:no: :rolleyes: and you would be wrong.... :yes: but that is nothing new... :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:19:28 AMIF the POTUS wants to talk to my kid at school...and I don't want him too, he won't....my kid won't be there....my kid's will be instructed to get up and walk out IF such a tyrannic episode would ever happen.
Do you screen ALL SPEAKERS at your kid's school?
If not, you don't have a dog in this fight.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
uh, yeah it is....i know this for a fact....because I went to one where they asked for a vote on a particular curriculum...
What, specifically?
Quote:blah: do you just talk to hear yourself?....let's put it this way....IF the POTUS wants to talk to my kid at school...and I don't want him too, he won't....my kid won't be there....my kid's will be instructed to get up and walk out IF such a tyrannic episode would ever happen.
And if he shows up at your kids' school and walks into the classroom, you'd instruct your child to walk out? You're a helluva parent. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:21:13 AM
Absolutely. Even Joe Scarborough called them out on it when he said, "Seriously, why don't we want the president of the United States, any president of the United States, delivering the message to kids: work hard, stay in school, succeed," adding, "Get your ratings if you want, you're just screwing your political party."
and that is what I said from the very beginning...but evidently you don't read do you?..look it up.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:21:51 AM
:no: :rolleyes: and you would be wrong.... :yes: but that is nothing new... :razz:
Just because you aren't bright enough to understand why you are being manipulated the way you are, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:24:00 AM
And if he shows up at your kids' school and wakls into the classroom, you'd instruct your child to walk out? You're a helluva parent. :rolleyes:
If that is all the better things he has to do is.....fly to Indiana, unannounced and show up in a freshman classroom to speak to speak to kids about being sure they graduate....when our country is at war, fighting a recession, and has the whole country in turmoil because he is throwing trillions of $$ in debt.....then, there are other issues going on with this POTUS.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:24:45 AM
and that is what I said from the very beginning...but evidently you don't read do you?..look it up.
I read a lot better than you do and that is not what you said at all. You entered this conversation questioning his motives and criticizing. You are one of the lunatic fringe.
Let's go back to Bush visiting a school and reading to the students.
Quote from: pariann on September 04, 2009, 10:30:37 AM
Let's go back to Bush visiting a school and reading to the students.
Let's do! And maybe then we can get an idea on this mentality (or lack thereof.)
(http://judecowell.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/bush-pet-goat-book-upside-down-photo.jpg)
Well, I didn't mean that in a bad way.....I meant, why can't the president choose to visit ANY school and talk to the kids without having issues. But I guess reading from an upside down book shows more talent than I have given anyone credit for.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:25:43 AM
Just because you aren't bright enough to understand why you are being manipulated the way you are, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
despite your misinformed opinions and extreme arrogance.....your are very wrong about me....and the color of the skin of this POTUS has NOTHING to do with his strong liberal views....and THAT is what I don't like about him.....and so do most Americans.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:28:45 AM
If that is all the better things he has to do is.....fly to Indiana, unannounced and show up in a freshman classroom to speak to speak to kids about being sure they graduate....when our country is at war, fighting a recession, and has the whole country in turmoil because he is throwing trillions of $$ in debt.....then, there are other issues going on with this POTUS.
I would submit that you are profoundly out of your depth even attempting to comprehend the priorities of our president.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:37:53 AM
I would submit that you are profoundly out of your depth even attempting to comprehend the priorities of our president.
and you would be submitting...WRONG.... :yes:
btw..I am loving this...you gettin all worked up over this is making my day. :yes: ;D
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:37:16 AM
despite your misinformed opinions and extreme arrogance.....your are very wrong about me....and the color of the skin of this POTUS has NOTHING to do with his strong liberal views....and THAT is what I don't like about him.....and so do most Americans.....
Maybe not you specifically but the people who you are following and parroting have no other basis for such primordial, primevil hysteria. There is absolutely no rational basis for it and there is no longer any other explanation for it other than the color of his skin.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:39:30 AM
and you would be submitting...WRONG.... :yes:
LMFAO...so you're saying you understand every intricacy of the job? Really?
I talk to my daughter about current events, politics, social issues...the news. If it's something she takes a real interest in, then we reasearch it further. I'm hoping that I can inspire her to not only want to know more but also to want to seek the facts and not rely on a single source of information.
The comments that I've read in opposition of this speech convince me that I'm on the right track. Ignorance is obviously contageous and I want to protect her from that.
That being said, I agree Bo D.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:43:09 AM
LMFAO...so you're saying you understand every intricacy of the job? Really?
No, I'm simply submitting that you are wrong.... :razz:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 10:40:54 AM
Maybe not you specifically but the people who you are following and parroting have no other basis for such primordial, primevil hysteria. There is absolutely no rational basis for it and there is no longer any other explanation for it other than the color of his skin.
I don't deny that there are STILL some seriously screwed up people out there...but I think the numbers are low enough to where they do not have an impact....and I really wish you would quit assuming I am parroting anyone...no more than saying that your idea's originated from someone else and YOU are parroting them....
I agree with some of what RUSH says...but that does NOT make me a parrot....THAT is what frustrates me with arguing on here..that is always the excuse.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 04, 2009, 10:47:52 AM
I talk to my daughter about current events, politics, social issues...the news. If it's something she takes a real interest in, then we reasearch it further. I'm hoping that I can inspire her to not only want to know more but also to want to seek the facts and not rely on a single source of information.
The comments that I've read in opposition of this speech convince me that I'm on the right track. Ignorance is obviously contageous and I want to protect her from that.
That being said, I agree Bo D.
and I do the very same with my kids.....as do most of my friends do with thier kids.....why is it that liberals act as if they are the only ones who are informed....it is driving me nuts.
(http://www.tillintallin.net/pictures/bush_n_shit.jpg)
Based on your narrowminded view of current events and your inability to discern opinion from fact...that's what concerns me Henry. That aside, you're better informed than the people that I was actually referring to.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 11:31:35 AM
I don't deny that there are STILL some seriously screwed up people out there...but I think the numbers are low enough to where they do not have an impact....
I do not believe that to be true and this is a perfect example.
QuoteI agree with some of what RUSH says...but that does NOT make me a parrot....THAT is what frustrates me with arguing on here..that is always the excuse.
So you're trying to convince all of us that you look at the facts and independently come to exactly the same erroneous conclusions (or outright lies) as them? Pardon me if I seem a little incredulous. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 11:42:17 AM
I do not believe that to be true and this is a perfect example.
So you're trying to convince all of us that you look at the facts and independently come to exactly the same erroneous conclusions (or outright lies) as them? Pardon me if I seem a little incredulous. :rolleyes:
I'm not even going to waste any efforts to argue this any longer...it is obvious to me, that you and I do not align pretty much everything...I'm right and you are wrong... :razz: nuff said... :yes: :razz:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 12:02:03 PM
I'm not even going to waste any efforts to argue this any longer...
Now just wait a cotton-pickin' minute! Are you just gonna leave without answering my question?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 10:19:28 AMIF the POTUS wants to talk to my kid at school...and I don't want him too, he won't....my kid won't be there....my kid's will be instructed to get up and walk out IF such a tyrannic episode would ever happen.
Do you screen ALL SPEAKERS at your kid's school?
If not, you don't have a dog in this fight.
Quote from: Bo D on September 04, 2009, 12:17:34 PM
Now just wait a cotton-pickin' minute! Are you just gonna leave without answering my question?
He's avoiding a lot of obvious conflicts with his position.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 12:02:03 PM
...I'm right and you are wrong... :razz: nuff said... :yes: :razz:
Shouldn't that be, "case closed," davejar?
:spooked:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 12:31:03 PM
Shouldn't that be, "case closed," davejar?
Davejar? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
You better watch what you say or you may conjure him up from the ether. :spooked:
oh he's still around....I can't post the link here....but he's found a new place to spew.
Quote from: Bo D on September 04, 2009, 10:23:18 AM
Do you screen ALL SPEAKERS at your kid's school?
If not, you don't have a dog in this fight.
Yes, with my kids in elementary....I get daily and weekly letters of upcoming events....IF such an event was to happen that went against my teachings of MY kids, then I would have them excused.....my kids in High School, know what is right and wrong...and they keep me informed of what happens or is going to happen at their school...
when it comes to MY kids, I will ALWAYS have a dog in the fight.....Bo.
Quote from: pariann on September 04, 2009, 01:03:17 PM
oh he's still around....I can't post the link here....but he's found a new place to spew.
Man, that guy was certifiable. :yes:
I wonder if he's still with Sweaty Sweaty Kathy? :rotfl:
Quote from: Locutus on September 04, 2009, 01:16:29 PM
Man, that guy was certifiable. :yes:
I wonder if he's still with Sweaty Sweaty Kathy? :rotfl:
he was just ..... passionate....with his belief....(okay, maybe a tad certifiable) ;) :razz:
Quote from: pariann on September 04, 2009, 10:35:43 AM
Well, I didn't mean that in a bad way.....I meant, why can't the president choose to visit ANY school and talk to the kids without having issues. But I guess reading from an upside down book shows more talent than I have given anyone credit for.
That is a doctored photo. Check snopes.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 01:20:33 PM
he was just ..... passionate....with his belief....(okay, maybe a tad certifiable) ;) :razz:
Passionate?? Ok Henry, you're giving him more credit than I do. :biggrin:
:sarcasm: :sa: :sm69:
Quote from: me on September 04, 2009, 01:23:04 PM
That is a doctored photo. Check snopes.
Oh ... I see. You LIKE Snopes when it agrees with your notions. Did you use Snopes to see if grapes can be grown in England before you passed on that little tidbit?
Besides, I see a tad bit of uncertainty in their verdict ...
"
If it weren't a manipulated image,
it could have come about because an aide handed the book to President Bush for a quick schoolroom photo opportunity, the President didn't immediately notice it was upside-down because he was looking at the student to his right, and a photographer managed to snap a picture before the error was corrected.
It
might also be possible (but hard to determine from this image) that the books President Bush and the student were holding had removable dust jacket-type covers, but the cover of the President's copy had been put on backwards, so it looked as if he were holding the book upside-down even though he really wasn't."
It might also be possible that he's a dumbass.
"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
—George W. Bush
(Snopes THAT!)
I'm going with dumbass. :yes:
Back on topic, I recieved this email just a few minutes ago:
To: Parents/Guardians
Teachers
Administrators
From: Dr. Thomas E. Warmke, Superintendent
Re: Guidelines for SMCSC – Viewing Recorded Broadcast
President Barack Obama's Historic Speech to America's Students
September 8, 2009
Noon, ET
Broadcast live at C-SPAN
Streaming live at website: http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/
Date: September 4, 2009
President Obama will deliver a national address to America's students to challenge them to persist and succeed in school by working hard, setting educational goals, and taking responsibility for their learning.
See press release: http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html
Schools and the Administrative Services Center have received phone calls from concerned parents who have raised objections to the following: 1) the use of school time for viewing the President's speech; 2) the potential for political issues ("indoctrination") to which they do not want their children exposed to become part of the speech; 3) the potential for classroom activities and discussion relating to the President's speech to include political views to which they do not want their children exposed.
The SMCSC Board of School Trustees has established the following guidelines for the District:
1. The live feed will not be used in any school to broadcast to students.
2. Teachers and administrators who have an interest in showing the speech as a download must view the broadcast and determine if it is relevant for the curriculum, per Classroom Use of Videos policy, IIA. It will be available as a downloadable video: http://www.whitehouse.gov/mediaresources/ (http://www.whitehouse.gov/mediaresources/) as well as on www.ed.gov. (http://www.ed.gov.) C-SPAN.org will provide archived and "on-demand" viewing options.
3. Any teacher who wishes to use the downloadable version of the speech in the classroom should notify the building principal in advance. [See Classroom Use of Videos policy, IIA. Note: Permission Form is not required for this viewing.]
4. Parents who wish to have their children excused from the viewing should notify the teacher or the school principal or designee. Failure of the student to attend school for the sole purpose of not being present the day of viewing of the President's national address to students is unexcused and consequences will apply.
5. Students excused from viewing should have a place to go where they will be supervised. If assignments result from viewing the President's speech, students excused from viewing the speech will receive an appropriate, relevant, and comparable activity that addresses the same curriculum objectives as the speech.
Suggested classroom activities and the specifics of the Video Project contest for students age thirteen and older are posted at the following website:
http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html (http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/academic/bts.html)
ohhh....that reminds me.. I have an acsc email address, I bet if I checked, there might be something relevant there too.
~~~~~
nevermind, no mass emailings since 8/10
This, my friends, is how the loud-mouthed bigoted minority controls what your children have access to in school.
Agreed, Ex.
or it is what responsible people do when they have concerns with issues that they do not agree with...
according to the left, if you disagree with this president you are a bigoted loud mouth...
that is plain and simple NOT the case ..... the hard working, tax paying, family men,women, mom and dads, have decided to speak up....and it has been resolved in a reasonable fashion.
Little blind fish, swimmin in a river,
Sayin how far can you see, are we gettin any nearer. . .
Little blind bird, sittin in a tree,
Sayin this is the end now, can't yah see?
It's all gone - Solid gone.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 04, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
Little blind fish, swimmin in a river,
Sayin how far can you see, are we gettin any nearer. . .
Okay I will bite...............????
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:05:46 PM
Okay I will bite...............????
I ain't fishin.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 04, 2009, 03:03:44 PM
Little blind fish, swimmin in a river,
Sayin how far can you see, are we gettin any nearer. . .
Little blind bird, sittin in a tree,
Sayin this is the end now, can't yah see?
It's all gone - Solid gone.
That the leader of the free world can't speak to our children is offensive to the core and anyone who thinks this is reasonable is an idiot who should be shot for treason. Today, I am ashamed to call myself an American.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 03:06:44 PM
That the leader of the free world can't speak to our children is offensive to the core and anyone who thinks this is reasonable is an idiot who should be shot for treason. Today, I am ashamed to call myself an American.
he lost; get over it
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 03:06:44 PM
. . . Today, I am ashamed to call myself an American.
I get that same feeling an awful lot lately. . . :yes:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 04, 2009, 03:08:32 PM
I get that same feeling an awful lot lately. . . :yes:
I'm ashamed to call him an american too.... ;D :razz: :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:09:13 PM
I'm ashamed to call him an american too.... ;D :razz: :yes:
That is not my position! This is, (v), and driven by the amazingly high number of sheep in this country!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Flag_of_the_United_States_(upside_down).svg/800px-Flag_of_the_United_States_(upside_down).svg.png)
you obviously do not see eye to eye to the average everyday American then.....because what you are seeing with the protests and such are from these very people....the are NOT sheeple...they just disagree with your ideology.
There have been a number of cases of those who have flown the U.S. Stars and Stripes upside down having been incarcerated, fined, threatened, and personal property stolen. Yet, as stated in section 8a of the U.S. Flag Rules (which is not law, but etiquette):
8a: The flag should never be displayed with the union down {blue field with stars}, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
Obviously then, flying the flag upside down IS NOT DIRESPECTING THE FLAG! It is an action that is sanctioned within the U.S. Flag Rules themselves.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:08:05 PM
he lost; get over it
No, you lost and despite your attempts to portray it otherwise, you do not represent the majority of Americans any more now than you claimed to before the elections. I would guess that the split in political views on this board is generally the same as it is in the general population and it clearly does
not lean in your direction. Just because a few of you rednecks can call the school board screaming and yelling and intimidate them into denying every child the right to watch this historic event while it's taking place doesn't make it right but it does make it un-American. The worst part is that you're too stupid to know that you should be ashamed of yourself.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:15:46 PM
you obviously do not see eye to eye to the average everyday American then.....because what you are seeing with the protests and such are from these very people....the are NOT sheeple...they just disagree with your ideology.
Lies...not a cross section of the population and not a majority.
Quote from: pariann on September 04, 2009, 03:17:09 PM
There have been a number of cases of those who have flown the U.S. Stars and Stripes upside down having been incarcerated, fined, threatened, and personal property stolen. Yet, as stated in section 8a of the U.S. Flag Rules (which is not law, but etiquette):
8a: The flag should never be displayed with the union down {blue field with stars}, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
Obviously then, flying the flag upside down IS NOT DIRESPECTING THE FLAG! It is an action that is sanctioned within the U.S. Flag Rules themselves.
is this an extreme danger to life or property?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:15:46 PM
you obviously do not see eye to eye to the average everyday American then.....because what you are seeing with the protests and such are from these very people....the are NOT sheeple...they just disagree with your ideology.
(http://whitewraithe.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/sheeple_flag.jpg)
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:15:46 PM
....the are NOT sheeple...they just disagree with your ideology.
My "ideology" that if the POTUS wants to encourage the nation's children to work hard and do well in school he should be able to? Your blatant hatred of non-whites is impeding your ability to think clearly.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:18:47 PM
is this an extreme danger to life or property?
Look around you. How many empty homes do you see? Foreclosures, job losses, healthcare ; they all are a serious threat to life and property but the sheep are too blind to see it.
Well despite the fact that THIS particular forum is a lib forum...always has been...I have enjoyed my stay here...I like you guys....even ex...
but I will NOT be ashamed of my stance....I am as American as anybody on here.....the vast majority of Americans NO Longer agree with this POTUS....according to all the major Polls....
you guys have done nothing but slam me, call me all sorts of names, tried your best to ridicule me...and I have always taken it with a grain of salt.
I do not like my POTUS....he is a liberal with strong liberal views......and I will NOT support him with his ideologies...I think they are wrong for America....he has done nothing but divide this country....something he said he was going to fix.
I have done my best to keep thing's lite on here...but this is getting ridicules with attack, attack, attack.....it is only me and me (no pun intended)...that are proud enough that keep on overlooking how classlessl that you guys are...and still hang around.
the only reason I have stuck around this long is because of Palehorse and HE stabs me pretty hard sometimes.....
Admin do what you gotta do....but I am speaking my mind .... we are all grown ups here....
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 03:20:57 PM
My "ideology" that if the POTUS wants to encourage the nation's children to work hard and do well in school he should be able to? Your blatant hatred of non-whites is impeding your ability to think clearly.
FUCK YOU EX.... I do not hate no one...
Quote from: Palehorse on September 04, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
Look around you. How many empty homes do you see? Foreclosures, job losses, healthcare ; they all are a serious threat to life and property but the sheep are too blind to see it.
I have been apart of this mess...but I don't want the Gov to fix it...they are the one's who created most of this mess...I don't want them getting more and more control.....
Calm the heck down Henry! So I cannot state my views anymore around you? Whats up with that?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:18:47 PM
is this an extreme danger to life or property?
You do know that that was directed at Palehorses upside down flag.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 04, 2009, 03:34:44 PM
Calm the heck down Henry! So I cannot state my views anymore around you? Whats up with that?
THAT is exactly how I feel when EX attacks me everytime....
I have been the only one on here standing on the right...and everything you post is a direct attack on me....that is the way I see it anyway.
I'm sick and tired of the pompus arrogant liberals...Ex, exemplifies the average liberal....mean-spirited, and attacks ....
I find myself becoming someone I don't like because of him.....
he honestly has NO clue to what American's stand for...nor he has any class.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:28:29 PM
...the vast majority of Americans NO Longer agree with this POTUS....according to all the major Polls....
Liar.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:36:36 PM
THAT is exactly how I feel when EX attacks me everytime....
I have been the only one on here standing on the right...and everything you post is a direct attack on me....that is the way I see it anyway.
Your views are not in the majority here any more than they are in the majority anywhere in our society but congratulations on preventing everyone's kids from being able to watch a historic speech live. Can you imagine if in 1969 some loud-mouthed group of religious fanatics who thought space travel was heretical had prevented us from having seen the first steps on the moon?
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:36:36 PM
he honestly has NO clue to what American's stand for...nor he has any class.
Actually, I do and you ain't one.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 03:38:01 PM
Liar.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_month_by_month (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_month_by_month)
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 03:40:37 PM
Your views are not in the majority here any more than they are in the majority anywhere in our society but congratulations on preventing everyone's kids from being able to watch a historic speech live. Can you imagine if in 1969 some loud-mouthed group of religious fanatics who thought space travel was heretical had prevented us from having seen the first steps on the moon?
blah, blah blah....get a clue...
Quote from: pariann on September 04, 2009, 03:35:30 PM
You do know that that was directed at Palehorses upside down flag.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 04, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
Look around you. How many empty homes do you see? Foreclosures, job losses, healthcare ; they all are a serious threat to life and property but the sheep are too blind to see it.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:33:26 PM
I have been apart of this mess...but I don't want the Gov to fix it...they are the one's who created most of this mess...I don't want them getting more and more control.....
Well what we've been doing surrounding healthcare DOES NOT work! They dictate to us what type of care we can have, and then slap us with ever increasing schemes to increase our premiums and deductibles and provide less for more and more money every year. SOMEONE has to reign these idiots in and if not the government then who?
How many Americans do you think can retire and want to retire, but cannot because they cannot afford the healthcare costs??? More than you think. And if they had affordable healthcare that worked they would already be retired and those jobs would be held by those outside of retirement age. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:36:36 PM
THAT is exactly how I feel when EX attacks me everytime....
I have been the only one on here standing on the right...and everything you post is a direct attack on me....that is the way I see it anyway.
. . .
1. I am not attacking you. I am opposing the position you seem to endorse. It is wrong for America and everything it stands for. (IMO)
2. I do not consider myself a liberal, anymore than I consider myself a republican or democrat. Historically my voting record will document that I have voted for each party at various points in time. I voted for the lesser of two or more evils a majority of the time, but always with an eye toward the things I feel will keep this nation strong and its citizens safe.
We differ on various subjects, but politics are apparently a hot button for you for some reason.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:41:57 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_month_by_month (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_month_by_month)
Disapprove does not mean disagree but I wouldn't expect you to understand that distinction any more than I would expect you to understand that 1% point does not constitute a "vast" majority. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Palehorse on September 04, 2009, 03:46:18 PM
1. I am not attacking you. I am opposing the position you seem to endorse. It is wrong for America and everything it stands for. (IMO)
My position has been explained on here many, many times....and I want LESS government...I want them to quit spending OUR money...show me in the constitution where our government should be BIG and should SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN....
"A government big enough to give ou everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have"...Thomas Jefferson...
THAT is what is happening right now....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 03:55:43 PM
THAT is what is happening right now....
No, what's happening right now is that you whack-jobs are inciting the next civil war and I can't freakin' wait!
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 04:05:32 PM
No, what's happening right now is that you whack-jobs are inciting the next civil war and I can't freakin' wait!
blah, blah, blah....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
blah, blah, blah....
When it happens, you'll need to change that to wah, wah, wah.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 04:16:02 PM
When it happens, you'll need to change that to wah, wah, wah.
nah, nah, nah... I don't think so.
and it may very well happen, so be careful what you wish for...
stop this predicting........you guys are scaring me.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 04:24:14 PM
nah, nah, nah... I don't think so.
and it may very well happen, so be careful what you wish for...
Because you're so well trained with your military background and whatnot; huh? LMMFAO!
Quote from: pariann on September 04, 2009, 04:25:29 PM
stop this predicting........you guys are scaring me.
I'm not predicting...they've proven we can't take our country back with our votes so it's more or less a certainty...the question is when.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 04:27:17 PM
Because you're so well trained with your military background and whatnot; huh? LMMFAO!
well, maybe not military trained, but I am father and a husband and son and a brother and a friend...and IF backed into a corner, I will do what it takes to keep my them alive.
Yoyu mean you'll do the best you can. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 04, 2009, 04:33:36 PM
Yoyu mean you'll do the best you can. :rolleyes:
Yeyes...and that will be enough....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 04, 2009, 04:35:02 PM
Yeyes...and that will be enough....
I'm sure that's what a lot of Iraqi fathers, brothers, friends, blah, blah, blah thought that too.
You know, I have read through this thread more than participated today and the only thing I see is bad mouthing and name calling from Ex rather than anything useful as far as contribution. I think the whole problem is not that Obama is speaking to the school kids but rather how it was presented. He was going to have the kids do a written report on how they could help Obama...What was that all about? No other president has ever done that. Help Obama do what? Yes, it good for the president to speak to kids but don't be so big brother about it do it like the other presidents did and not in a self serving manner as he is appearing to do. A lot of the distrust for him is coming from the people he has surrounding him and that he is taking advice from, self proclaimed communists and radicals. You all know darn well that if any other president had done that you would be flaming him all over the place white or black so what is so different here? Why can no one oppose his ideologies without being called a racist? Please explain that to me. Whites who oppose him are called racist and blacks who oppose him are called jealous. What is with that? What is with all the cussing and name calling belittling and slamming? Why is it necessary? Can't you just discuss? Does it give you the feeling of power to call names and cuss? PH discusses, pariann discusses, even at times Bo D discusses, and Sandy, well she just makes light of it, but Ex just name calls and belittles to the point where no one can discuss. Since when has it become a crime to disagree with the president or his agenda? Ya'll were perfectly fine with disagreeing with Bush's policies and things he did and no one tried to stop you. I didn't see Bush, Clinton, or any of the others trying to shut down talk shows with opposing views or asking you to report on anyone who disagreed or as he put it was "misinformed". Could it be the methods used are making people suspicious of underlying intentions? We are being manipulated more than ever before and I for one don't like it. If you think we're not being manipulated stand back and look from an observer position. Think about what has gone on for the last year and a half or two years. Do some real checking on George Soros and ACORN. No, I'm not tying them together I'm saying they are both factors in whats going on.
I'm done now. I know I've just wasted my time posting this because you'll all just say I'm an idiot or what ever but so be it. I can only do so much. Hang in there Henry don't let them get you down.
I don't have a problem with President Obama addressing the school children, but the government suggesting assignments seems a little beyond his scope, I thought that was the teacher's job? Are grade school children and high school students getting the same speech?
Yes. The speech is scheduled to be broadcast and webcast at around noon Eastern. One speech fits all.
I just got a message from the school district and our schools will be airing it live as scheduled. Any child who is absent without a valid excuse such as a Drs appt will have an unexcused absence. If the parents have any questions or concerns, they are asking that they put them in writing and either email or mail them to the district address. They are asking that parents not call the school or district and voicemails will not be returned. :biggrin:
Good for them!
Yep and if you think about it, by the time they get the letters and Emails..it's over ;D
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 04, 2009, 06:12:01 PM
I just got a message from the school district and our schools will be airing it live as scheduled. Any child who is absent without a valid excuse such as a Drs appt will have an unexcused absence. If the parents have any questions or concerns, they are asking that they put them in writing and either email or mail them to the district address. They are asking that parents not call the school or district and voicemails will not be returned. :biggrin:
Simple question requiring an honest and simple answer. What if the school had done this when Bush was President? How would you have reacted and what would you have said? I don't want one of those "but he" answers I want to know what your reaction would have been.
Quote from: Sandy Eggo on September 04, 2009, 07:47:20 PM
Yep and if you think about it, by the time they get the letters and Emails..it's over ;D
that is the way obama likes to work...just like the stimulus bill....
He was going to have the kids do a written report on how they could help Obama.
That is false. Nothing was ever mentioned about an assignment for this. The only place where I did see an assignment was from Scholastic.com
If Bush would have done this, I would have gotten the transcript so that my students could correct the grammar and phonetics of his speeches.
Quote from: me on September 04, 2009, 07:47:59 PM
Simple question requiring an honest and simple answer. What if the school had done this when Bush was President? How would you have reacted and what would you have said? I don't want one of those "but he" answers I want to know what your reaction would have been.
Honestly? My daughter would have been there and would have heard him speak w/out a problem/complaint/question from me. In all sincerity it would have been a non-issue for me from the onset.
I like for my daughter to form her own opinions. When she shares her opinions I ask "why", because I want to know how she formed her opinion and I want to be sure that she's thinking for herself and not mimicking the opinion of someone else, even mine. In order for that to happen she has to be exposed to a variety of things so that thought is inspired and she can do her own analysis.
Just like the Obama speech, had this event happened the same way with Bush, it would have been an opportunity for discussion with my daughter.
I don't care which President it is. If a President wants to speak to the children of this country, then it will be on in my classroom. Period!
Quote from: kimmi on September 05, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
I don't care which President it is. If a President wants to speak to the children of this country, then it will be on in my classroom. Period!
Even IF the parent's express their 100% objection to it?
Quote from: kimmi on September 04, 2009, 11:58:56 PM
He was going to have the kids do a written report on how they could help Obama.
That is false. Nothing was ever mentioned about an assignment for this. The only place where I did see an assignment was from Scholastic.com
If Bush would have done this, I would have gotten the transcript so that my students could correct the grammar and phonetics of his speeches.
that is NOT false...it WAS part of the original plan....they backed away from that...
Quote from: kimmi on September 05, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
I don't care which President it is. If a President wants to speak to the children of this country, then it will be on in my classroom. Period!
Apparently there was a little bit of a problem at the school yesterday because my daughter's science teacher decided to politicize and crossed the line into racism.
She told the children, including my daughter's class that Obama doesn't care about them, that this is a political ploy to win the election next year. That he wants them to go home and tell their parents how great he is to win them over. She also told them that he doesn't want them to have a real education, but a liberal education that will turn them into radicals like his friends. Apparently she went on a rant.
My daughter's friend, raised her hand and said that she thought it would be better to let the kids watch it and decide for themselves and the teacher told her that she shouldn't care because she isn't in his community anyway. The class was a little out of control at that point so the teacher sent the girl to the office for disrupting class. I found out from one of the other volunteers and a teacher's aid that the teacher was called to the office because apparently quite a few students from different classes had complained about her "speech".
On the other hand, my daughter's social studies teacher invited questions and led a discussion about previous presidents and why they find it necessary to talk to school children. In a nutshell, they're the future and should be invested in now.
So, my daughter was exposed to two different opinions on both ends of the issue. When she watches the speech on Tuesday, she'll be able to decide for herself which one was more on target.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 05, 2009, 11:45:45 AM
Even IF the parent's express their 100% objection to it?
Did I say I would force anyone to watch it? No! But if MY President wants to speak to the children in my classroom, then I will provide that opportunity. It would be no different then him coming to my school and walking in my classroom. How many parents would then instruct their children to walk out?
Sandy people like your child's science teacher give the profession of teaching a bad name and I would personally like to kick her ass! :biggrin:
Quote from: kimmi on September 05, 2009, 12:08:40 PM
Did I say I would force anyone to watch it? No! But if MY President wants to speak to the children in my classroom, then I will provide that opportunity. It would be no different then him coming to my school and walking in my classroom. How many parents would then instruct their children to walk out?
Sandy people like your child's science teacher give the profession of teaching a bad name and I would personally like to kick her ass! :biggrin:
first of all I agree with you as far as Sand's teacher...that is wrong...and IF the POTUS was coming in personally that would be different....meeting a POTUS in person would be a lifelong memory....but as far as this POTUS speaking to the kids...LIVE, I understand why some people do not like it.....they don't like the POTUS...the don't agree with him....and they don't trust him....so NO kid should HAVE to watch it or be pressured into watching it....ALL schools should give ALL kids the option to watch it or go to a study hall or some other school place.
I think what that science teacher did was just as wrong as the ones are that sing Obama's praises. Politics are not up to the teachers to teach and should not be a part of the classroom in any manner unless it is a class specifically for that in high school or college and then it should be bi partisan.
Quote from: kimmi on September 04, 2009, 11:58:56 PM
If Bush would have done this, I would have gotten the transcript so that my students could correct the grammar and phonetics of his speeches.
:rotfl:
Quote from: kimmi on September 05, 2009, 10:02:37 AM
I don't care which President it is. If a President wants to speak to the children of this country, then it will be on in my classroom. Period!
Good for you!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 05, 2009, 02:28:23 PM
first of all I agree with you as far as Sand's teacher...that is wrong...and IF the POTUS was coming in personally that would be different....meeting a POTUS in person would be a lifelong memory....but as far as this POTUS speaking to the kids...LIVE, I understand why some people do not like it.....they don't like the POTUS...the don't agree with him....and they don't trust him....so NO kid should HAVE to watch it or be pressured into watching it....ALL schools should give ALL kids the option to watch it or go to a study hall or some other school place.
The students don't seem to be the ones who are getting hysterical over this.
My 11 year old daughter was watching the news about the controversy and said, "Why are these people making a big deal about this when they don't know what he's going to say? and why aren't they giving their kids a chance to listen to it and decide what they think about it? I don't think the parents think kids can think for themselves".
In other words, it's all about the parents and their bias and has NOTHING to do with the opportunity itself or the children.
Just noticed your avatar and was curious but that's for another thread.
Your daughter has it absolutely correct. Many parents do NOT think kids can think for themselves. They do not think they can form opinions because there is so much they don't understand. But that is why children are inquisitive, they WANT to know. They want to think.
I've come across this on more personal issues, with my ex and his wife thinking that there is no way that my children can decide anything about someone else, that I must be brainwashing them. Hell if anyone has been brainwashing, it's been the kids over me!! I wouldn't think half of what I think if it weren't for their persuasion. LOL
Quote from: me on September 05, 2009, 02:31:57 PM
I think what that science teacher did was just as wrong as the ones are that sing Obama's praises. Politics are not up to the teachers to teach and should not be a part of the classroom in any manner unless it is a class specifically for that in high school or college and then it should be bi partisan.
Better start tearing down all those Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln posters and plaques in all the schools. Can't have those idiots influencing children's minds. Especially that atheist (at most deist) Jefferson.
Quote from: dan foster on September 05, 2009, 08:38:39 PM
Better start tearing down all those Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln posters and plaques in all the schools. Can't have those idiots influencing children's minds. Especially that atheist (at most deist) Jefferson.
Just for kicks and giggles........THOMAS JEFFERSON said, "The Bible is the source of liberty." He further stated, "The Bible makes the best people in the world."
Quote from: dan foster on September 05, 2009, 08:38:39 PM
Better start tearing down all those Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln posters and plaques in all the schools. Can't have those idiots influencing children's minds. Especially that atheist (at most deist) Jefferson.
History and politics are two separate things. Learning who those people were is one thing but to inject today's politics, or should I say the teacher's opinion about politics, into it is another and that goes for both sides.
Quote from: pariann on September 05, 2009, 03:20:03 PM
Your daughter has it absolutely correct. Many parents do NOT think kids can think for themselves. They do not think they can form opinions because there is so much they don't understand. But that is why children are inquisitive, they WANT to know. They want to think.
I've come across this on more personal issues, with my ex and his wife thinking that there is no way that my children can decide anything about someone else, that I must be brainwashing them. Hell if anyone has been brainwashing, it's been the kids over me!! I wouldn't think half of what I think if it weren't for their persuasion. LOL
You know, My daughter is very interested in politics....and I have told her that I have no problem IF she see's this speech....which by the way...Pendleton school system will NOT show it...Live anyway...
I think Obama could have saved himself and the country MUCH trouble IF, he would have announced this MORE than a day before a LONG weekend.....it made people feel that he was trying to 'hurry' this before there could be any thought put into it....just like the way he did the stimulus bill and the way he TRIED the heathcare bill......people are wanting him to SLOW down....too much, too fast.....that is just a random thought here.....
Quote from: me on September 05, 2009, 11:15:44 PM
History and politics are two separate things. Learning who those people were is one thing but to inject today's politics, or should I say the teacher's opinion about politics, into it is another and that goes for both sides.
and Obama is NO Washington, Jefferson or Lincoln.....he was a community organizer a year or two ago.....people are trying to cast him to greatness before he has actually accomplished anything.....again, Just a random thought.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 05, 2009, 11:21:03 PM
and Obama is NO Washington, Jefferson or Lincoln.....he was a community organizer a year or two ago.....people are trying to cast him to greatness before he has actually accomplished anything.....again, Just a random thought.
Yeah. He is the president, though, isn't he. He is not just some community organizer. Of course, you will always see him as a rogue janitor.
As for Jefferson, he thought so much of the bible, he re-wrote it. And ultimately, he saw religion in this light; "Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
Your servile prejudices show in every word, hank. Your "blindfolded fear" of a black president and of an angry god seem to drive your very being. Your's and me's "weak minds" just can't handle the truth. Sad.
Quote from: dan foster on September 06, 2009, 11:22:25 AM
Yeah. He is the president, though, isn't he. He is not just some community organizer. Of course, you will always see him as a rogue janitor.
As for Jefferson, he thought so much of the bible, he re-wrote it. And ultimately, he saw religion in this light; "Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
Your servile prejudices show in every word, hank. Your "blindfolded fear" of a black president and of an angry god seem to drive your very being. Your's and me's "weak minds" just can't handle the truth. Sad.
blah, blah, blah, blah,blah....that is the worth of your words.... :yes: don't waste your time, spewing your garbage...that is all it is....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 06, 2009, 12:53:29 PM
blah, blah, blah, blah,blah....that is the worth of your words.... :yes: don't waste your time, spewing your garbage...that is all it is....
Jefferson garbage? Interesting.
Prepared Remarks of President Barack Obama
Back to School Event
Arlington, Virginia
September 8, 2009
The President: Hello everyone – how's everybody doing today? I'm here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we've got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I'm glad you all could join us today.
I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it's your first day in a new school, so it's understandable if you're a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you're in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could've stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.
I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn't have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning.
Now I wasn't too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, I'd fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever I'd complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."
So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But I'm here today because I have something important to discuss with you. I'm here because I want to talk with you about your education and what's expected of all of you in this new school year.
Now I've given a lot of speeches about education. And I've talked a lot about responsibility.
I've talked about your teachers' responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.
I've talked about your parents' responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don't spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.
I've talked a lot about your government's responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren't working where students aren't getting the opportunities they deserve.
But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.
And that's what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.
Every single one of you has something you're good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That's the opportunity an education can provide.
Maybe you could be a good writer – maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper – but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor – maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine – but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.
And no matter what you want to do with your life – I guarantee that you'll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? You're going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You can't drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You've got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.
And this isn't just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you're learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.
You'll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You'll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.
We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don't do that – if you quit on school – you're not just quitting on yourself, you're quitting on your country.
Now I know it's not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.
I get it. I know what that's like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasn't always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didn't fit in.
So I wasn't always as focused as I should have been. I did some things I'm not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.
But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didn't have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.
Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you don't have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and there's not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you don't feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know aren't right.
But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you've got going on at home – that's no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That's no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That's no excuse for not trying.
Where you are right now doesn't have to determine where you'll end up. No one's written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.
That's what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.
Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn't speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.
I'm thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, who's fought brain cancer since he was three. He's endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer – hundreds of extra hours – to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and he's headed to college this fall.
And then there's Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and she's on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.
Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell aren't any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.
That's why today, I'm calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education – and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe you'll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe you'll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe you'll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope you'll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don't feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.
Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.
I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you're not going to be any of those things.
But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won't love every subject you study. You won't click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won't necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.
That's OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who've had the most failures. JK Rowling's first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
These people succeeded because they understand that you can't let your failures define you – you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn't mean you're a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn't mean you're stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.
No one's born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. You're not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You don't hit every note the first time you sing a song. You've got to practice. It's the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before it's good enough to hand in.
Don't be afraid to ask questions. Don't be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isn't a sign of weakness, it's a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you don't know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust – a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor – and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.
And even when you're struggling, even when you're discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you – don't ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.
The story of America isn't about people who quit when things got tough. It's about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.
It's the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.
So today, I want to ask you, what's your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?
Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. I'm working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you've got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don't let us down – don't let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.
Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.
Looks like a good speech of encouragement and much the same as all other presidents before him have given in all probability. Thanks for posting it Kimmi.
Quote from: me on September 07, 2009, 02:29:20 PM
Looks like a good speech of encouragement and much the same as all other presidents before him have given in all probability. Thanks for posting it Kimmi.
Yes. And once again, the uproar (just like with the teabaggers) seems to originate with ignorant, redneck racists that have no other valid problem with obama except that he is black.
Quote from: dan foster on September 07, 2009, 02:39:26 PM
Yes. And once again, the uproar (just like with the teabaggers) seems to originate with ignorant, redneck racists that have ho other valid problem with obama except that he is black.
(http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2009/september/Child_Draws_Death_Squad_Cra.jpg)
Quote from: dan foster on September 07, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
(http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2009/september/Child_Draws_Death_Squad_Cra.jpg)
I love that the picture says Proud Homeskooler! hahaha
I agree that it was just a bunch of hype. Although I'm sure someone on Fox News will read it and read between imaginary lines to see some sort of communist or socialist ideology in it. :rolleyes:
...and the sheeple will follow blindly along...
Exactly!
And thank you for appreciating that I even mentioned the fact that I appreciated you posting that speech. You go right ahead and have your fun and laughs I will still disagree with some of his policies just like you disagreed with some of Bush's. I am neither ignorant, a redneck, nor am I racist. Was a black who disagreed with Bush a racist? No, he was just a person who disagreed with Bush just I and most other whites are not racist just we disagree with Obama's policies and the blacks who disagree are not jealous but just disagree with a mans policy, not a black mans policies, a mans policies. You are a teacher Kimmi do you teach your kids to ridicule those who disagree with them?
Quote from: me on September 07, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
And thank you for appreciating that I even mentioned the fact that I appreciated you posting that speech. You go right ahead and have your fun and laughs I will still disagree with some of his policies just like you disagreed with some of Bush's. I am neither ignorant, a redneck, nor am I racist. Was a black who disagreed with Bush a racist? No, he was just a person who disagreed with Bush just I and most other whites are not racist just we disagree with Obama's policies and the blacks who disagree are not jealous but just disagree with a mans policy, not a black mans policies, a mans policies. You are a teacher Kimmi do you teach your kids to ridicule those who disagree with them?
So, just which policies do you disagree with Obama on? Just name a couple, if you would please.
Quote from: me on September 07, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
And thank you for appreciating that I even mentioned the fact that I appreciated you posting that speech. You go right ahead and have your fun and laughs I will still disagree with some of his policies just like you disagreed with some of Bush's. I am neither ignorant, a redneck, nor am I racist. Was a black who disagreed with Bush a racist? No, he was just a person who disagreed with Bush just I and most other whites are not racist just we disagree with Obama's policies and the blacks who disagree are not jealous but just disagree with a mans policy, not a black mans policies, a mans policies. You are a teacher Kimmi do you teach your kids to ridicule those who disagree with them?
THAT is the basic liberal response.....ALWAYS rude and mean...IT was just fine to slam and disagree with Bush...but WOW...this is ridicules.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 07, 2009, 09:37:01 PM
THAT is the basic liberal response.....ALWAYS rude and mean...IT was just fine to slam and disagree with Bush...but WOW...this is ridicules.
What's funny, or sad you could say, is that they say we are the ones with the problem and who are hate mongers. Go figure. :rolleyes:
Me I didn't think I had to pat you on the back for looking at something so harmless and seeing how ridiculous people are being, but since you need that extra reassurance, good job!
How exactly did I ridicule you again? Did you draw the homeskool picture?
Quote from: kimmi on September 08, 2009, 07:16:41 AM
Me I didn't think I had to pat you on the back for looking at something so harmless and seeing how ridiculous people are being, but since you need that extra reassurance, good job!
How exactly did I ridicule you again? Did you draw the homeskool picture?
case and point....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 07:45:47 AM
case and point....
I don't see it. Neither a case, nor a point. Would you care to expand a bit on how Kimmi was a rude, mean liberal because she isn't "proude" of the "homeskooler?"
Quote from: LOsborne on September 08, 2009, 07:51:10 AM
I don't see it. Neither a case, nor a point. Would you care to expand a bit on how Kimmi was a rude, mean liberal because she isn't "proude" of the "homeskooler?"
again....case and point...
evidently you guys just don't see it....but, it is ALWAYS that it just people on the right's fault for NOT seeing things the way you do....
It doesn't mean a hill of beans....so it is NOT worth explanation any further if you don't see it now...
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 08:01:55 AM
evidently you guys just don't see it....but, it is ALWAYS that it just people on the right's fault for NOT seeing things the way you do....
Nope, not good enough. "It's true because I say so" only works with my mother.
I'm not asking why you think the left calls the right obtuse. I'm asking why you think labeling an argument as rude when you can't answer it, makes any kind of reasonable point.
Quote from: LOsborne on September 08, 2009, 08:13:51 AM
Nope, not good enough. "It's true because I say so" only works with my mother.
I'm not asking why you think the left calls the right obtuse. I'm asking why you think labeling an argument as rude when you can't answer it, makes any kind of reasonable point.
I guess it is always the little snide remarks that come along with the argument that makes it 'rude'....although 'rude' on here is just part of the package anymore....
why is it that it is so important that EVERYBODY has to get excited about the POTUS (or the ones that some did not vote for him)...to have their kids taken AWAY from their normal classes to hear a "live" speech about staying in school.....NOW, I have read the transcript and it is a really "nice" speech and I have NO problem with his 'tapping' and having the schools show it at the end of the day or at a time when it does not have to disrupt the whole schedule.........an obviously this IS an issue with many many parents or this would not even be a discussion....
like I said before, I think it is a trust issue....and it is not just the POTUS it is government as a whole....many people do not trust what they are doing. I think if the POTUS would have offered this speech a month after his taking office there would NOT have been any problems what so ever.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 05, 2009, 11:13:22 PM
Just for kicks and giggles........THOMAS JEFFERSON said, "The Bible is the source of liberty." He further stated, "The Bible makes the best people in the world."
Giggle...giggle...
The statement, "the Bible is the source of liberty" has not been found in any writings of Thomas Jefferson.
http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_Bible_is_the_source_of_liberty (http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/The_Bible_is_the_source_of_liberty)
I'm glad someone else doesn't see the case nor the point. I'm going back to bed. Happy vaca to me!
When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html)
The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue...
Quote from: dan foster on September 07, 2009, 02:39:26 PM
(http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2009/september/Child_Draws_Death_Squad_Cra.jpg)
Yes. And once again, the uproar (just like with the teabaggers) seems to originate with ignorant, redneck racists that have no other valid problem with obama except that he is black.
Quote from: kimmi on September 07, 2009, 04:35:36 PM
I love that the picture says Proud Homeskooler! hahaha
I agree that it was just a bunch of hype. Although I'm sure someone on Fox News will read it and read between imaginary lines to see some sort of communist or socialist ideology in it. :rolleyes:
Just what is that comment if not one that is ridiculing anyone who dares to question? I wasn't inferring that it was aimed at me specifically nor was I even referring to just this one particular instance. If that picture and statement aren't made in a ridiculing manner meant to demean and shame someone for questioning then how was it meant? I don't see anything complementary about it in the least. I didn't ask to be patted on the back for my post thanking Kimmi for posting that speech, in fact I didn't ask for a comment back at all much less a smart ass one from Dan. Like I have asked before and never really gotten an answer. Since when is it a crime to question our government or it's policies? Since when does that make one ignorant? Since when does that make one a racist or a bigot? Why should this president be treated any different than any of the others? He is not "special" just because he is the first black president he is a man just like all the other presidents before him and we have a right to question if we chose to do so without being persecuted and ridiculed just as ya'll had a right to question Bush and we have all questioned and disagreed with other presidents in the past.
Why should this president be treated any different that any of the others?
Something we agree on.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 10:21:53 AM
The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue...
What happened afterward doesn't concern me...did anyone prevent the speech from being shown?
Watch out!! Nascar drivers are socialist nazis too! :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEeY59ofvks
Quote from: kimmi on September 08, 2009, 11:57:04 AM
Watch out!! Nascar drivers are socialist nazis too! :rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEeY59ofvks
This'll make the rednecks' heads explode! :biggrin:
I know. Can you imagine a NASCAR boycott?
The speech was great. I wish I was in school right now having a follow-up conversation.
Crap! I meant to turn the speech on, but completely forgot. :mad:
Go to your local news station. I bet they have it taped there for viewing.
WASHINGTON – Former first lady Laura Bush on Monday expressed support for President Barack Obama's decision to speak to the nation's school children, saying it is "really important for everyone to respect the president of the United States."
Thanks Kim. I'll look. It's also going to be on C-SPAN's website shortly.
http://www.c-span.org/
(http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/09/08/tomo/story.jpg)
Look at the purely ignorant and stupid bitch that is first interviewed in this video. :rolleyes:
While crying, she says, "Thinking of my children...sorry, in school, having to listen to that, just really upsets me."
^^--- That kind of ignorance en masse is what makes me fear for the future of this country.
And this nugget from another one of the idiots:
"In an ideal world parents could send their children to school confident that what the children are being taught is what the parents want the children to learn."
I must be incredibly ignorant because I can't find much of a political message in that speech.
Would someone please help me find the socialism message?
Geez, musta been subliminal.
Or................maybe..........just, maybe.............it wasn't there?
That poor crying mom sure had serious reason to sob, didn't she?
And what was that look on her husband's face? A smile, like, "Wow, aren't you getting a little too upset?"
Quote from: Locutus on September 08, 2009, 01:30:46 PM
That kind of ignorance en masse is what makes me fear for the future of this country.
The future is a downward spiral.
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 08, 2009, 01:49:37 PM
Or................maybe..........just, maybe.............it wasn't there?
Of course it wasn't but the point was never about the speech; it was about a black man forcing white children to listen to what he has to say.
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 08, 2009, 01:49:37 PM
Would someone please help me find the socialism message?
That's S because O you C didn't I catch A the L letters I flashed S behind M the screen. :biggrin:
Later C on O in M the M speech U, the N letters I changed S somewhat M.
Quote from: Exterminator on September 08, 2009, 01:50:07 PM
The future is a downward spiral.
Well, that can't be right. After all, the Earth is flat, and a downward spiral isn't possible in two dimensional thinking.
:rolleyes:
Too bad natural selection didn't work on her.
Quote from: followsthewolf on September 08, 2009, 02:25:40 PM
Too bad natural selection didn't work on her.
Too bad somebody didn't cap the bitch while they were filming...that would have been hugely entertaining! :biggrin:
see me :rolleyes:
Sadly they are going to make this woman a hero on some networks and she'll get her 15 minutes of fame like Joe the unemployed plumber!
Quote from: me on September 08, 2009, 02:21:35 PM
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 02:37:54 PM
see me :rolleyes:
Why the rolleyes you two? Aren't we speaking the truth in pointing out this obvious ignorance?
Quote from: Locutus on September 08, 2009, 02:41:55 PM
Why the rolleyes you two? Aren't we speaking the truth in pointing out this obvious ignorance?
all I hear is a bunch of redneck talk...."capping the bitch"..."the earth is flat"..."a black man forcing white children to listen"..and redneck cartoons...THIS is the kind of crap, that makes this forum NOT worth commenting on...WHY?, WHY waste my time when THIS is the kind rhetoric replies.....
I laugh AT, not with.
LMFAO! The guy that says, "we was..." referring to, "redneck talk."
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 02:46:10 PM
all I hear is a bunch of redneck talk....
Like these mental midgets from North Cackalacky? I'm talking about the idiots at the fair, and not the principal.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/09/08/tuchman.school.no.cnn?iref=videosearch
Watch that video there and you'll see a couple of people at the fair who just exude redneck and ignorant.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 02:46:10 PM
"capping the bitch"
:rotfl: I don't think that's redneck talk HH; Ex was making a joke!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 02:46:10 PM
..."the earth is flat"...
Sadly, some still believe that crap HH. And don't forget about the big man in the sky who farted it all out!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 02:46:10 PM
"a black man forcing white children to listen"..
I posit that's the
exact issue that many people are having with this speech. If you think that's not what it's about for many, you have blinders on. Racism still abounds.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 02:46:10 PM
and redneck cartoons...
The play on Goofus and Gallant was hilarious! All of you who are screaming about Obama and his policies were amazingly quiet while Bush was trampling all over the Constitution of this country. But then again, he was protectin' your asses from the turrorists so I guess it was okay. :rolleyes:
again... :rolleyes:
you are talking about a vast few that represent the Average American that is not happy with the potus.....I did not vote for him for a reason....I disagree with his ideology, that has been catapulted into a distrust of not just him, but congress in general. These townhalls are NOT just rednecks...they are REAL people, despite what you keep telling yourselves.
Why is it so hard for you guys to understand, that we just don't like liberal views.....and we don't want liberal ideology so we are taking a stand against it. I have NO hatred at all towards anyone...but I have strong dislike for the ideology itself.
the posters on here who have nothing better to do than CRACK on spelling and put themselves on a pedestal do nothing to encourage intelligent conversation on here.....making fun of "me" and slamming others, along with myself, for stating honest, heartfelt opinions does nothing but show the true character and therefore makes replying on here somewhat of a waste.....
Quote from: Locutus on September 08, 2009, 03:08:30 PM
I posit that's the exact issue that many people are having with this speech. If you think that's not what it's about for many, you have blinders on. Racism still abounds.
The text of the speech was and is online and I challenge anyone to tell me what about it can even remotely be construed as anything other than encouragement for students to do well in school from a man who personifies the idea that here in the Unites States, you can come from humble beginnings and through hard work and tenacity grow up to be the president. If you can't find anything objectionable in the speech, the only thing left is racism, plain and simple.
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 03:20:01 PM
again... :rolleyes:
you are talking about a vast few that represent the Average American that is not happy with the potus.....
Please stop talking about the average American as though you represent us; you do not by a long shot.
no
Quote from: Exterminator on September 08, 2009, 03:28:54 PM
The text of the speech was and is online and I challenge anyone to tell me what about it can even remotely be construed as anything other than encouragement for students to do well in school from a man who personifies the idea that here in the Unites States, you can come from humble beginnings and through hard work and tenacity grow up to be the president. If you can't find anything objectionable in the speech, the only thing left is racism, plain and simple.
Yes
The point is not everyone is going to agree on everything and lumping them all who disagree with you into a category of ignorant redneck hill billy racist bigots is wrong as is making fun of them. You thought you shouldn't be made fun of when you disagreed with Bush and deserved to be heard well, we have a right to disagree with Obama without being chastised and ridiculed with every breath. Yes, I will agree that little film clip is the height of ridiculous and phony as anything but to say all who disagree like that is a huge mistake on your part and exactly what you're expected to do by other dems to force and shame republicans into submitting to your will and shutting up. I, for one, will not shut up and when I see something that needs questioned or that I disagree with I'm going to say so. Are you such small minded people that you don't know how to converse without making fun of others? Do you not know how to voice your opinions in an intelligent manner whether they be right or wrong? Henry and I might not be great spellers or word smiths but we can disagree with your view points without making fun of you or ridiculing you unless you get us so irritated it is out of frustration. Why can't you give us the same respect? That word is one of them in your vocabulary isn't it? You do know the definition of it don't you?
Quote from: me on September 08, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
The point is not everyone is going to agree on everything and lumping them all who disagree with you into a category of ignorant redneck hill billy racist bigots is wrong as is making fun of them.
As it works out, those who disagree with us on this point are, in fact, a bunch of ignorant, redneck, hillbilly, racist bigots...or would you like to tell us specifically which part of the speech you find particularly offensive?
I bet the people at the Cautawba County Fair are not great spellers, nor word smiths either. The flags in her hair might be a dead give away. Maybe if they had listened to someone other than their parents, they would have had a better education. Oh wait, probably not. North Carolina used to be 49th in education.
Nevermind!! Ramble on!
Me, what part of either video do you consider phony?
Quote from: me on September 08, 2009, 03:45:00 PM
Why can't you give us the same respect?
Respect isn't earned by claiming that grapes can't grow in England or posting photos of a prison in Europe and claiming they are of a luxury prison in the U.S.
Quote from: kimmi on September 08, 2009, 03:53:42 PM
I bet the people at the Cautawba County Fair are not great spellers, nor word smiths either. The flags in her hair might be a dead give away. Maybe if they had listened to someone other than their parents, they would have had a better education. Oh wait, probably not. North Carolina used to be 49th in education.
Nevermind!! Ramble on!
:biggrin: Well if there is to be any hope for the children and people of North Carolina, they can find it in the fact that they have somehow managed to attract bright, intelligent people like you to teach in their state. :yes:
Quote from: Locutus on September 08, 2009, 04:04:48 PM
:biggrin: Well if there is to be any hope for the children and people of North Carolina, they can find it in the fact that they have somehow managed to attract bright, intelligent people like you to teach in their state. :yes:
Thank you. However I wouldn't work in that county. Crappy pay!! Well I take that back. All of the state's salaries are the same, however the supplement that the county gives is different. They are a bit too redneck over in those parts. Yes ME they really are redneck!!
:biggrin:
Quote from: kimmi on September 08, 2009, 04:08:05 PM
They are a bit too redneck over in those parts. Yes ME they really are redneck!!
But they do have some nice furniture! :biggrin:
btw, I just read the speech with my daughter.....and it was a very good speech.
and life continues..... :yes:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 04:31:45 PM
nope...you are SO wrong...it TIS funny...
I guess it's all in your perspective.
Quote from: Locutus on September 08, 2009, 12:44:15 PM
Thanks Kim. I'll look. It's also going to be on C-SPAN's website shortly.
http://www.c-span.org/
That first woman is as phony as anything. I didn't bother to watch the others.
Quote from: Olias on September 08, 2009, 08:43:24 AM
The statement, "the Bible is the source of liberty" has not been found in any writings of Thomas Jefferson.
Hah!!! Busted!
P.S. Henry, don't you wish you had checked your source? snicker, snort
Quote from: me on September 08, 2009, 10:24:30 AM
Just what is that comment if not one that is ridiculing anyone who dares to question?
It is ridiculing the spelling of the artist. Duh. What did you think? The kid claims 11 and a half. That's fifth grade, sugar ... the target reading level for the AP style book. I don't think "proude" or "skooler" would make it by AP. Question all you like. Try not to look illiterate when you do it.
Quote from: LOsborne on September 08, 2009, 06:53:23 PM
Hah!!! Busted!
P.S. Henry, don't you wish you had checked your source? snicker, snort
Well, it i not completely unfounded, I do not have the where-abouts of my original source...but here is a source where it sums up that statement........http://www.coralridge.org/equip/10TruthsSeries/10%20Truths%20About%20Americas%20Christian%20Heritage/truth-2.aspx (http://www.coralridge.org/equip/10TruthsSeries/10%20Truths%20About%20Americas%20Christian%20Heritage/truth-2.aspx)
Quote from: LOsborne on September 08, 2009, 06:53:23 PM
Hah!!! Busted!
P.S. Henry, don't you wish you had checked your source? snicker, snort
Do you know where he actually got that? Jefferson thought the bible was mostly garbage, never found anything mystical in it to be of merit, carved out the philosophy of jesus in his own bible re-write and eliminated the divine nature of jesus and thought christianity one of the earth's scourges. Christians like hank have to lie to themselves that their religion is of merit and will lie to everyone else about it's impact (christian nation, et al).
Quote from: dan foster on September 08, 2009, 09:39:07 PM
Do you know where he actually got that? Jefferson thought the bible was mostly garbage, never found anything mystical in it to be of merit, carved out the philosophy of jesus in his own bible re-write and eliminated the divine nature of jesus and thought christianity one of the earth's scourges. Christians like hank have to lie to themselves that their religion is of merit and will lie to everyone else about it's impact (christian nation, et al).
again....my point is made....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 09:39:50 PM
again....my point is made....
Ah, James Kennedy, a prolific liar, even from beyond the grave....oooooohhhhhh!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 08, 2009, 09:38:17 PM
Well, it i not completely unfounded, I do not have the where-abouts of my original source...but here is a source where it sums up that statement........http://www.coralridge.org/equip/10TruthsSeries/10%20Truths%20About%20Americas%20Christian%20Heritage/truth-2.aspx (http://www.coralridge.org/equip/10TruthsSeries/10%20Truths%20About%20Americas%20Christian%20Heritage/truth-2.aspx)
There is
NOTHING in that source that says, as you claim, "the Bible is the source of liberty" is attributable to Thomas Jefferson.
I am not going to call you Olias. Looks too much like Oily Ass. :eek:
Quote from: pariann on September 09, 2009, 10:29:42 AM
I am not going to call you Olias. Looks too much like Oily Ass. :eek:
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
You can call me whatever you like! :smitten:
I'll call you an activist for source material. LOL
Quote from: dan foster on September 08, 2009, 09:42:02 PM
Ah, James Kennedy, a prolific liar, even from beyond the grave....oooooohhhhhh!
I think I posted somewhere about his children being kicked out of CRPC for being insurgents. :rotfl:
Quote from: Olias on September 08, 2009, 08:43:24 AM
The statement, "the Bible is the source of liberty" has not been found in any writings of Thomas Jefferson.
Actually, I missed this yesterday, and I'll make one additional point. Anyone who has studied Jefferson, and his writings, clearly knows that the above isn't something that would come from the pen of Thomas Jefferson. Revisionists of history are dangerous people.
I see that Sarah Pain is still willing to abandon the truth for a headline; (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203440104574400581157986024.html) the lying bitch.
The bad part is that in a saner country, comments like those would have ended her political career instantly. Sadly, in this country, they won't.
Quote from: Locutus on September 09, 2009, 12:57:24 PM
The bad part is that in a saner country, comments like those would have ended her political career instantly. Sadly, in this country, they won't.
How about just in a country with a higher mean IQ? :rolleyes:
"But ultimately what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy." - Sarah Palin.
:rolleyes:
Uh, how?
Quote from: Exterminator on September 09, 2009, 01:40:22 PM
Uh, how?
She doesn't have a fuggin' clue. :biggrin:
That's just more of her baffling and evasive incoherence. :yes:
But back on topic on this thread, I certainly doubt that many of the ignorant rednecks mentioned earlier on this thread would have objected to Palin's evasive incoherence in a speech to school children.
They said no to the Obama speech, but they're just fine with 'em hearin' a message from ole' Dumya. Unbelievable!
The Arlington Independent School District, which passed on airing President Barack Obama's live classroom address, has announced that some students will be bussed off campus to hear a message from former President George W. Bush on Sept. 21.
District officials said it's part of a Cowboys Stadium field trip that the North Texas Super Bowl Host Committee invited 28 fifth-grade classes to attend several months ago.
In addition to hearing from Bush and former first lady Laura Bush, the students will hear from legendary Dallas Cowboys players and North Texas business and community leaders. The event launches the Super Bowl committee's largest-ever youth education program.
Students must have their parents' permission to attend, school officials said.
Dwight McKissic Sr., the senior pastor of Arlington's Cornerstone Baptist Church, said he's concerned about the district's decision to not broadcast Obama's message while transporting students to hear a message from Bush.
"I do not understand the duplicity in this situation," McKissic said in a news release from the church. "I believe the students and the public deserve and need to have these differences explained."
Obama told students to stay in school, work hard and set goals in an 18-minute speech delivered Tuesday morning from Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va.
The Arlington school district, like many in North Texas, decided not to broadcast the president's speech live after some parents expressed concern about its content.
The district said the recorded speech would be made available through its Web site.
The school district allowed students with permission slips from parents an excused absence to watch Obama's speech at an off-site location.
Cornerstone Baptist Church was among the facilities that broadcast the Obama's address for students and parents who wanted to watch the speech live.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/Kids-Didnt-Hear-Obama-But-Will-Be-Bussed-for-Bush-57827022.html
Quote from: Locutus on September 09, 2009, 02:11:42 PM
They said no to the Obama speech, but they're just fine with 'em hearin' a message from ole' Dumya. Unbelievable!
Sadly, it isn't really.
The school district allowed students with permission slips from parents an excused absence to watch Obama's speech at an off-site location.
So basically they had to cut school in order to watch a speech that told them to go to school. :rolleyes:
Quote from: kimmi on September 09, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
The school district allowed students with permission slips from parents an excused absence to watch Obama's speech at an off-site location.
So basically they had to cut school in order to watch a speech that told them to go to school. :rolleyes:
Now is it just me, or is that retarded? :rolleyes:
Quote from: kimmi on September 09, 2009, 02:40:48 PM
The school district allowed students with permission slips from parents an excused absence to watch Obama's speech at an off-site location.
So basically they had to cut school in order to watch a speech that told them to go to school. :rolleyes:
Yep! Thinking like that is why I can't see myself EVER living in Texas. :no:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 09, 2009, 01:25:53 PM
How about just in a country with a higher mean IQ? :rolleyes:
Welcome to Idiocracy where a mindless twit like Palin can get posted in a newspaper column, let alone run as a VP candidate.
Hell, they actually let Gore be vice president....and then there's Biden..... :rotfl:
Not to mention Dan "I can't spell" Quayle. Unable to handle himself in an elementary classroom.
Jesus.
Quote from: me on September 12, 2009, 11:19:43 AM
Hell, they actually let Gore be vice president....and then there's Biden..... :rotfl:
Oh, how cute...the woman who can't quite figure out when to use 'saw' instead of 'seen' is judging others on their intellect. Is this a great country or what? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Exterminator on September 12, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
Oh, how cute...the woman who can't quite figure out when to use 'saw' instead of 'seen' is judging others on their intellect. Is this a great country or what? :rolleyes:
s'cuse me but there are a few mistakes through out the forum you have made also....some of them even got quoted before you could correct them.... :biggrin:
.some of them were quoted before...
Just sayin'.... :biggrin:
Quote from: me on September 12, 2009, 11:19:43 AM
Hell, they actually let Gore be vice president....and then there's Biden..... :rotfl:
You are somehow equating Gore and Biden with Palin? I guess she really does speak to YOUR intellect. You really are one of the 20 percenter's aren't you; those that think bush was "a really good president", that think that obama has shredded the Constitution and is a socialist. Of course, you also talk to jesus and fear the aliens will come back with bigger probes, next time.
Quote from: dan foster on September 12, 2009, 10:25:14 PM
You are somehow equating Gore and Biden with Palin? I guess she really does speak to YOUR intellect. You really are one of the 20 percenter's aren't you; those that think bush was "a really good president", that think that obama has shredded the Constitution and is a socialist. Of course, you also talk to jesus and fear the aliens will come back with bigger probes, next time.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/specialkind.jpg)
Quote from: me on September 12, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/deerladie/specialkind.jpg)
You 20placenta's really do leave the rest of us educated adult Americans mystified.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo)
I'm speechless.... :no:
Had they been praising Bushmaster, would you feel the same?
Quote from: Palehorse on September 24, 2009, 12:31:16 PM
Had they been praising Bushmaster, would you feel the same?
you are wrong.... :no:
I would have been just as opposed if they were talking about Mr. Bush, FDR, or any other president.
YES!!!!!!!
Quote from: Palehorse on September 24, 2009, 12:31:16 PM
Had they been praising Bushmaster, would you feel the same?
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
wie treu sind deine Blätter!
Du grünst nicht nur
zur Sommerzeit,
Nein auch im Winter, wenn es schneit.
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
wie treu sind deine Blätter!
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!
Wie oft hat nicht zur Weihnachtszeit
Ein Baum von dir mich hoch erfreut!
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Dein Kleid will mich
was lehren:
Die Hoffnung und Beständigkeit
Gibt Trost und Kraft
zu jeder Zeit.
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Das soll dein Kleid
mich lehren.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 24, 2009, 12:38:04 PM
How can a question be wrong?
Good point...but you would be wrong, in assuming that, because THIS is nothing but indoctrating children...a teacher shoving a political agenda to some elementary kids.....it is just wrong....people are wanting to worship him....that is stolen from a Christian song .... Jesus love the Children of the World.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 24, 2009, 12:44:54 PM
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
wie treu sind deine Blätter!
Du grünst nicht nur
zur Sommerzeit,
Nein auch im Winter, wenn es schneit.
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum,
wie treu sind deine Blätter!
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!
Wie oft hat nicht zur Weihnachtszeit
Ein Baum von dir mich hoch erfreut!
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Du kannst mir sehr gefallen!
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Dein Kleid will mich
was lehren:
Die Hoffnung und Beständigkeit
Gibt Trost und Kraft
zu jeder Zeit.
O Tannenbaum, o Tannenbaum!
Das soll dein Kleid
mich lehren.
During the Third Reich "O Tannenbaum" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Tannenbaum) was promoted by the Nazis as part of their program to remove the more Christian parts of the Holiday Season.....
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 24, 2009, 12:48:01 PM
Good point...but you would be wrong, in assuming that, because THIS is nothing but indoctrating children...a teacher shoving a political agenda to some elementary kids.....it is just wrong....people are wanting to worship him....that is stolen from a Christian song .... Jesus love the Children of the World.
Your first mistake is assuming I am assuming. I asked a question.
Secondly, how is this little ditty any different than singing the praises of a christmas tree?
Thirdly, do you own the copyright to the tune? No. The fact is many "Xtian" traditional hymns are just plagiarized from tunes created by folk music, slave tunes, and other traditional field melodies. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 24, 2009, 12:52:07 PM
During the Third Reich "O Tannenbaum" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Tannenbaum) was promoted by the Nazis as part of their program to remove the more Christian parts of the Holiday Season.....
And yet it is performed thousands of times each holiday season in America, by children and adult choirs; in english.
O Christmas Tree! O Christmas Tree!
Thy leaves are so unchanging;
O Christmas Tree! O Christmas Tree!
Thy leaves are so unchanging;
Not only green when summer's here,
But also when 'tis cold and drear.
O Christmas Tree! O Christmas Tree!
Thy leaves are so unchanging!
O Christmas Tree! O Christmas Tree!
Much pleasure thou can'st give me;
O Christmas Tree! O Christmas Tree!
Much pleasure thou can'st give me;
How often has the Christmas tree
Afforded me the greatest glee!
O Christmas Tree! O Christmas Tree!
Much pleasure thou can'st give me.
O Christmas Tree! O Christmas Tree!
Thy candles shine so brightly!
O Christmas Tree! O Christmas Tree!
Thy candles shine so brightly!
From base to summit, gay and bright,
There's only splendor for the sight.
O Christmas Tree! O Christmas Tree!
Thy candles shine so brightly!
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 24, 2009, 12:48:01 PM
Good point...but you would be wrong, in assuming that, because THIS is nothing but indoctrating children...a teacher shoving a political agenda to some elementary kids.....it is just wrong....people are wanting to worship him....that is stolen from a Christian song .... Jesus love the Children of the World.
And that geebuz crap isn't indoctrinating children?
Quote from: Palehorse on September 24, 2009, 12:55:07 PM
Your first mistake is assuming I am assuming. I asked a question.
and I answered it.....maybe not they way you wanted to hear it, but I answered it, and YOU knew exactly what I meant...
Quote from: Palehorse on September 24, 2009, 12:55:07 PM
Secondly, how is this little ditty any different than singing the praises of a christmas tree?
You are losing this one, with a weak argument.....again, YOU know exactly what the issue here is and you are trying to be all philosophical ....
Quote from: Palehorse on September 24, 2009, 12:55:07 PM
Thirdly, do you own the copyright to the tune? No. The fact is many "Xtian" traditional hymns are just plagiarized from tunes created by folk music, slave tunes, and other traditional field melodies. . .
And yet it is performed thousands of times each holiday season in America, by children and adult choirs; in english.
Again, what is your point....I'm not wanting to sue anyone, I simply stated it is directly from a Christian tune...even the words
Red and yellow, black and white,
All are precious in his sight,
Jesus loves the little children of the world......
you can get all twisted with this as you want.....I just posted it on here, and it is honestly pretty sad...in my opinion....
THIS guy has been in office 9 months and he is being treated like he is a GREAT president ... it is corny and hoakey....and this teacher should be FIRED.....she is out of bounds with this.
And any teacher in a public school endorsing prayer in the classroom should be fired as well.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 24, 2009, 01:22:12 PM
And any teacher in a public school endorsing prayer in the classroom should be fired as well.
so you agree that this teacher should be fired?..
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 24, 2009, 01:23:28 PM
so you agree that this teacher should be fired?..
No. I'm just saying that if we start doing such a thing it must be done across the board. No prayer, no teaching of biblical history or religious endorsements what so ever within a public school environment. Including benedictions before sporting events, etc.
Why are you so afraid of this man?
How is this any different than a school play about George Washington? Washington was the first president, Obama is the first black president.
Quote from: Palehorse on September 24, 2009, 01:27:29 PM
Why are you so afraid of this man?
How is this any different than a school play about George Washington? Washington was the first president, Obama is the first black president.
OMG!! Palehorse are YOU seriously trying to compare Obama to Washington?..... :rolleyes: :puke:
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 24, 2009, 01:34:04 PM
OMG!! Palehorse are YOU seriously trying to compare Obama to Washington?..... :rolleyes: :puke:
I don't see a difference. . .
Quote from: Henry Hawk on September 24, 2009, 01:34:04 PM
OMG!! Palehorse are YOU seriously trying to compare Obama to Washington?..... :rolleyes: :puke:
I will. Washington was an Aristocrat who thought people like you aren't educated enough to participate in the electorate, and he thought you never would be (on that he was right). So, he thought the Aristocrats should run the country and not allow you to elect anything but. He was also a liar and a dishonest traitor to his friends in the Revolution; the Iroquois.
He was the Donald Trump of his day, not as smart as the rest (like Jefferson who you owe your vote to).
Obama? I still don't know how well he will do. Too early, yet you will never give him credit for anything; a black man.
Quote from: dan foster on September 24, 2009, 10:18:32 PM
I will. Washington was an Aristocrat who thought people like you aren't educated enough to participate in the electorate, and he thought you never would be (on that he was right). So, he thought the Aristocrats should run the country and not allow you to elect anything but. He was also a liar and a dishonest traitor to his friends in the Revolution; the Iroquois.
He was the Donald Trump of his day, not as smart as the rest (like Jefferson who you owe your vote to).
Obama? I still don't know how well he will do. Too early, yet you will never give him credit for anything; a black man.
yeah well, I don't value YOUR opinion so .... blah, blah , blah....
He's right about Washington. I enjoy reading biographies and have been through all of the presidents, with exception to the last two, a couple times. Washington was a self-serving snob.
I don't think PH compared Obama to Washington. He compared circumstances and it's a good point.